yeah good morning uh call me to order this a meeting of the H select board being held in the townhouse a of tum April 1st 2025 10: a.m. this meeting is being conducted in person remotely using video conferencing technology I believe SE uh
select board member Flynn is on it's a please stand for the pledge of Le [Music] am the one nation indivisible Liberty
andice thank you is anyone recording the meeting other than ourselves Kristen or SAR no what no no okay seeing none we'll continue uh fire department how are where are we
Fire Department put that up yeah you have numbers no not till next Monday it's supposed we go before the board when I was informed
yesterday the only thing they sent along with the schematics they just upd all right well let's look at the schematic what do we got [Music] there let go Peter do you know what they're adding on there if you want to go back to the
other screen Brian the first one the first one you showed yeah see the darker area is the present building now yeah and obviously the later area will be the addition remodeling of the fire
station sorry the Shaded area the Shaded area that kind of the lighter Shad sh building the lighter with the stripes diagonal Stripes is the addition presented addition okay so that's so on
the side on the on the side the back would be the West side and the north side of the structure will be added on to um the next picture shows the breakdown of the how it will be laid out upon
completion okay the E1 E2 is all that is a reference to the vehicles which could be in those Bays yeah the um south side or the bottom part of the picture would be office space on the very left bottom would be a training facilities and then
bathrooms kitchens and the far back site on the upper left would be storage facilities and whatnot did you have the picture of the upstairs or no oh let's see what add yeah well that's basic basically would be a living
quarters if it gets to that point in time um obviously didn't work in the second you know exit and it stairs up and down but that has to be worked in for a second exit for emergency purposes
but fire P so is it just unfinished space during this one or well it would be you know okay so you put rooms in there but you don't feel them right but you know it would all be constructed as one at this time but they may not be divided up into
rooms um but and any any facilities in the state is sleeping in has to be sprinklered now so all that would be updated as well so you have storm fire truck they burn up today electronic world everything fails so um you got a front view you got a front view that's a
nice picture of the front there you go there's the front of view looking at it from North Road so the extreme if I can Peter the extreme right hand side is the original and no extreme left hand side is
original see the small little windows and the doors so you're going to the north correct and you've got enough space yeah they say there's no space well the driveways on the RightWay there um so we can't approach that without it's okay if you got enough
space you're good to go or something well the middle garage door yeah that's best part of is the existing building now but will be taken out and the height of that building increased because one of the fire trucks you can't tip the cab inside the building to do any repairs or
working on it yeah cuz the roof's not high enough so they had to do that so they're not going to get any smaller no unfortunately you do all antique 37 fits in there like you put a Volkswagen in there there all kind of room left over but today's Fire Equipment is so
much bigger and there's still a sec still a second floor right well just over the middle door was your second floor it's not the entire Facility have a second floor is that a South elevation below it there next one
down yeah okay yeah that would be the well looking at it from the town hall up yeah it's not too bad and that's the rear that's a back no one's going to see any Highway Department's view yeah we look at
there's cement Soul shed so yeah seems fair so overall building sorry go ahead those are just Mand doors there yes um I signed on late if anybody has any questions I can answer um for the
fire station as well okay you have a dollar figure not yet we met Saturday morning morning um we made some more changes uh the second floor um has it's still there
but we're not using it we're using for like mechanical space um because everything's so tight we've changed a few walls some of these man doors you're looking out the back it seems excessive we're going to take a few of those out some windows out so we're still making adjustments trying to get that price a
little bit lower um we don't believe we need brick on all four sides of the building so some of that's um being changed um but we hope to hear back from them this week we're having another meeting Thursday afternoon is going to be scheduled and then we're plan on going
in front of the board uh April 7th to with the the number Chief did the architect uh give you a a thumb suck number if you will of what you're looking at right now
without your changes they did but we we weren't in agreement with some of the numbers seem to be duplicate and stuff so again there's several things on those um breakdowns that he gave us that we had questions about for you know that you
know I'm just not comfortable sharing that until we figure out exactly what they had um okay so he did give you a number but like you said there's a lot of inconsistencies in his figures yeah and I I and we just want to
double check things I don't want to throw a number out there and have it like oh you said this or somebody said that I when we present a number I want I want to make sure it's correct that's fine yeah Brian do you have do you have the elevation looking down North
Road or be looking down the front view North that was up there yeah the top one that's the blank one there that's that one that one that's from the driveway just to clarify I know Gary
knows this the elevation there goes uphill radically and when you're coming out that far there's a hill there it's going to need to be retained or it's going to need to have some foundation work or
drainage there I don't think that should be left out of any pricing cuz that's definitely a part of the project everything is flat on that piece of paper but that's not exactly true right yeah so you noticed it Gary I I yeah and Eddie wants to say
something dri I'll just interject there that's one thing the building committee picked up right away as well um so that's not accurate drawing that's just something they they did and that's one of the things we went back to them about um they totally missed that and obviously we don't need any windows on
that side we don't need brick on that side and did they you know is this figuring in for that that building into the in banking there so that's something we're well aware of when working on as well might even need to be some retention along the driveway at as well sprinkler system as there is do
that have it open can can I ask when they back you're not planning on having a drive around at this point correct so that driveway that's showing on the picture would not exist there okay cuz that right of way is fairly
close I would guess to the work that you're proposing to do yeah the driveway would would probably um have to move slightly over um the town owns the property it's a
RightWay through that property and the town owns all the way over past that driveway so I'm sure during building or something something's going to have to happen to that yeah is that part of your civil to design that driveway
um again we're you know talking to the architect about it these are just drawings at this point this is not uh blueprints or not you know um this is just some kind of idea with the drawings to get an estimate of cost wise but
we're trying to make sure that their estimator knows like hey this is going to have to be addressed um we don't agree with the way it's drawn on the picture so trying to get some things accurate as best as possible
R in there do you thinking go to the spring Tru the Maytown meeting we're hoping to yep we'll definitely um you know we just gave the
email we met Saturday morning we just presented an email uh you know first thing Monday when he received it and we're just waiting on on his feedback all right well there's some other pictures there
another yeah I asked that cuz we're running out of time here you know there you go that's the first floor aerial view right yeah take the roof off yeah so you see the blue walls it's
pretty much what is existing now what would be the existing part of the station of the fire department way it lies Now where's the Decon area in the
back yeah it's in the back um right area yeah next room's over showers and bathrooms in there okay is there a separate entrance way to that or doesn't right through the I saw through the one
of the Bays the apparatus pay if you will see the hallway there the far right okay there was some discussion about that if if that's the exact layout but we feel as far as square footage it meets everything we need in there if we have to change a wall or doorway
afterwards again these are just schematics these are not the blue we're building off of I'm okay I just wanted to know if Deon you can come if let me ask you if in the Deon area if you where does the water
go you know he spray down the uniforms or whatever you do where does where does that go well we're we're not handling Hazmat okay so that would be a different you know we call Hazmat Tech um in for that so anything we was is anything that's
going to be um normal that would go down to the septic it's not you know carcinogen smoke wood carbon it's not any Hazmat stuff is is taken out of service if we got if we we're exposed to it or something you take you take it out
of service at the site is that what you do you know of the fire again that would be some kind of cat catastrophe if it happened right yeah so we're we're obviously calling in the professionals um hasmat task force to handle that so
um they're they're going to be handling that as well that'll be part of their scope as well well El you got there second floor that's the second floor all right oh look at is that going
to be the color is going to be if you it you got your color you need a committee for that that will probably hold it up in here that's a whole separate other committee okay see Connie says there you
go could we go back to the uh the site plan the first first one back Bri or Gary no that's time so it appears that at this point you're staying pretty much um everything's going to be to the
north if you will nor not moving I'm thinking of the parking area coming this way towards town hall is what's the sense of um from the architect is he going to be looking for more Paving area on that slightly more Paving area
there's going to be a tank in the ground as well for the sprinkler system that the building has to have so that's that's not really shown on on the project but I I believe we're going to be going um through the parking lot probably to the rear the building that
is where the entrance is to the gear Gear room and then to the atus room it prevents Personnel from entering like we do now we enter the bays and that truck is like right there leaving the station so um we're trying to make it safe where
everybody's entering from the rear um you go in you get your gear on and then out to aariz floor Bay and then get on to the trucks from there the parking in the back little back of the arrow that would be your walkway into the building rear yeah you
get your gear on then you go to the truck so you're not traveling in front of the vehicles as they going out the door with your gear on much safer than is there any more questions I actually get to sign off I got a little emergency going on here one one quick question
Chief the the um the the new Bay right that's going to have to be fitted for the exhaust system too right yes correct okay so I mean we'll be taking out the bay in the back where our tank is now facing Town Hall um we'll be able to
probably use some of that um but yeah there'll be an extra Bay or two um that we have to add to that but the system large are available okay and how's the generator going um it's it's
wired up I think we're getting some fuel put in it tomorrow and then we have the schedule with Kingsley to come out and do the startup then it will be done well Hallelujah all right have a good day thank you and look forward to Monday night all right
thanks who brought up the sprinkler system the the architect did saying because if you're sleeping in the quarters it has to be sprinkler people be sleeping in it that's sounds that sounds so cut and dry but I don't really think that's the way
the code is oh this is what I'm told so I can't do any more than relay that right but I'd rather have your relay actual you know straightforward information than not not to be a problem child why are we
worried about spring uh about sleeping quarters when we've never talked about anything other than the first shift Well for now the first shift but eventually it's going to be full-time maybe well wouldn't it be better now to save the money and build now than it
would be in plan for the future I don't know maybe it be better to put a door in the back with a staircase coming out while you're building it I think that's just an option that you should have I mean then there's two exits you're a firehouse you could enhance the alarm system right um strategies with regards
to that sprinklers weren't going in unless it was converted to sleeping he said right well correct but I'm just saying does it actually Tri trigger the actual need to have that or is it just something that an architect says well if you're sleeping there you got to have a
sprinkler without looking into the Alternatives because the chief has leeway with regards to fire water or the water source and also there's other op options you can have with regards to enhancing the alarm system Etc so I'm not going to say one way or another that
you need to have it or that you don't have to have it but in my eyes if you're even planning on sleeping there in the future don't do like other departments I know have put the door on the thing and put the staircase out right but there other thoughts too is one insurance company probably give us a break because
it is sprood and as PR the firet trucks today they're all going for half million and help I don't know what the insurance rate on a firehouse is but you know they save a half million dollar or more in a fir truck but wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run I'm not arguing I'm just just
wouldn't it be cheaper to put a door and a stairway in that thing while you're building knock it out later on De with multip what your plan is sounds like it is I I think there needs to be a little bit more discussion we'll see what happens when the the architect comes backs like it's an option that's but
we're already burying it tank in the driveway and I'm like would we do that if we didn't need to right so into Dick's Point are we going to have a full-time fire department anytime in the near future do we do we need a tank though
huh do we even need a tank well the water system you can't fill the trucks from the water water system in town so what about off of the old Wells I thought the old Wells were left in place to that one is that one is presently still occup usable within a building so
it could be used as a sister turn to could be fill the the trucks fill the trucks period but the tanker takes 45 to an hour to fill it gallons of water so yeah I mean there's a possibility there sure I think we need
to talk about that one y yeah we can discuss it more absolutely the senior menter you're up up we're up um we've done some due diligence we've
talked to um roofers and gotten estimates to replace the roof um coming in um around 110,000 quite frankly I boosted it a little bit because I'm not sure by the time we get out to bid um that we aren't
going to have a little bit of additional cost but um the prices that we asked for were for uh as I said before July August September um so they be relatively current um with all the turmoil going on
with the terrorists and what have you and I just boost it a little uh we did H also have uh a look at the window replacements we have 53 windows in that building that need replacing um and that we're not touching
so the stained glass windows those are going to remain as they are um and they're going to just replace the existing uh double hungs and and and static Windows there is that all of them that's all of them yes yeah um are they
are they leaking is there oh yes yeah um in fact the uh you know those cozies you put at the base of your door when you got drafts they're on some of the windows now in the winter time that's good don't work and some don't work yeah so there's don't they can't open or
can't open them can't close them Gary did you price those out already the window replacement uh what I did is I asked Julian drao company to come in and take a look the he gave us a vinyl with uh Harvey windows with the light
dividers in them basically replacing what's there but with energy efficient glass I'm just seeing that a lot of the windows that are coming in the replacement companies they're like $2 to $3,000 for just a regular double hung yeah you have of them I'm just like you know I don't want you to get surprised
when the Julian actually in and goes hey guess what everything's tripled right and again can't say that that isn't going to happen if vinyl explodes or something like that but he as I say he understood it was uh things weren't going to happen till late summer at best
oh no and he's reputable oh yeah know he knows what's going on yeah that averages out to be about 1,400 1500 a window again I just know like I keep seeing those Anderson Anderson double hung those are 3,000 I don't know what we just paid to Anderson
gave me $20,000 for six windows but you know he's going to be there for a few hours putting six windows in he'll have a whole crew out there putting all those windows in at one time and that's where he saves his money as in the labor savings flat rate but that's cheap I
defer uh bathroom upgrades um include raising toilets uh the um dividers need to be replaced they're Rusty rotted and are fairly expensive um and we're also looking at painting the bathrooms and
upgrading it and rough numbers around 15,000 and then the septic system maintenance that number is probably a little bit High U we have a vent that needs replacing an effluent filter that needs to go in and at least two manhole
covers that are would not be covered under the parking lot Paving that would have to be raised and so um if we can get the uh contractor who's doing the parking lot to also do the the ones in the grass that number won't be that high
so um we have a meeting on next Monday the committee does and we're going to take you know look at the numbers make sure it's where we want at but I think that's the number we're going to come back to town meeting with and you'll have us a warrant
article for that yes yeah unless dick offered to write a check the last time I was here I remember that I remember that wasn't that from the stabilization account yeah right did you just for not of ink would
that have to go exclusion or we do something else I don't see I don't see getting an exclusion for that amount of money right that's an update Jordon Burgess nothing do um we'll go down the list here so
technology so the current uh situation there is that um every classroom's wired there um there are 10 switches in the what they I guess we call the it closet or whatever we want to call it um they're about 10 years old um we're
looking to replace those uh we submitted a community compact it Grant I believe it was last month for the amount of $148,000 to replace those switches and to install Wireless uh new wireless
access points throughout the building uh some of those have been taken out by the district um hopefully we'll hear about that Grant before town meeting I hope um if not uh or if that Grant doesn't come through I guess we'd have
to assess um the viability of those switches obviously they're 10 years old they're getting to the point where they're going to need to to be uh replaced um does upgrading those give you reliability and speed what does upgrading the switches do um I think
it's more about reliability um that's yeah so for for whatever past historical reasons when when MBI built the middle Mile and connected Community anchor institutions twb was not one of those anchor institutions that was
connected um I reached out to local links who's I guess the new Axia provider who manages the the middle mile MBI um and they gave us uh cost of I don't even remember what it was 15,000
10,000 um we could they could quote unquote extend the plant from I believe the closest is on Allen Street up wilham road to uh towb um but at this point um Charter
currently has a fiber connection into the building building so we likely go with Charter um we're still trying to figure out the logistics um with the with uh we have a couple State computers State uh systems
that the town clerk uses uh from what we can tell that they can use any internet connection but it takes they need a 90day notice to be able to transfer whenever they need to over to the new location um you considered asking Spectrum to put
the wireless routers in there for you since they have the cable going in there and they got a ton of money and they might use that as some sort of a charity fund for you or something but yeah you know I mean if you have cable you have Spectrum in your house they'll put a wireless router in there for
you yeah yeah I mean and they just got crates of them in their warehous in there not just the loem they'll put them both in there really okay no is if you have Spectrum now and you want an upgrade you just call them up they'll
it's like peanuts to do that I would I would wanted a inting there but so they'll give you the they'll give you the wireless router that sends the signal throughout your house not just the modem coming into the coming from the cable like they'll give you the wireless device that sends the signal
throughout your house I don't know if they charge it for it or not but yeah yeah that's what I've got I you buy your wireless device separate no I did but at that time Spectrum wasn't really awward I mean that was
20 but they'll do it today other other it aspects so the library currently uses CW Mars as as their Library Network so to speak or their Library services but that's provided over uh that can also be provided through
Charter um what else am I missing every classroom every room really has two three four data ports depending on uh the room uh we believe those are all connected but we'll have to go back through with low voltage tester or something to make sure that all those
are are for any desktop units could use those yep um but in terms of wiring it's pretty much wired through with I think I think it was C 5 cable um so hopefully that Grant comes through and we can make those improvements uh movement cost for the
library El met with National Library relocation Services I think is their name um and she received a quote of $21,000 to move the books and shelving for the library um I wouldn't do it for
that so just to sum sum up of moving costs it was cheaper than the 50 that was a newly set um so the library would their estimates 21,000 moving company for everything else really um we're budgeting we'd like to
budget 50,000 moving supplies 3500 and then um for Our IT company to disconnect uh transport and reset up servers the computers the workstations everything like that they gave us a quote of 6,500 so that's a total of just
over $80,000 to move everything to move everything did you ask that Library company if they would move everything we did not since their price was considerably cheaper than the 50,000 yeah good idea
to y i i can reach out to them at least we have a budget number yeah yeah yeah yeah because you had a couple of different moving companies come in and price it right yeah we had three quotes Pioneer A to Z and and four guys um Pioneer was the lowest so they also gave
us so this is the gies a price with packing without packing right with staff packing it was it it saved probably $10,000 um so that's what we think what it would cost move in terms of in terms of
repairs um I've still putting together a list of of what I would consider the priority sort of before occupancy repairs that that we would need to not necessarily repairs but improvements right now I have flooring repairs there's two classrooms where the the tiles are coming up due to a moisture
problem um they in the front portion of the building once you if you went in the main entrance to the right the first two classrooms there in a portion of the hallway um oh that was your office we don't really need to F just just tear them up um uh there's some there's some
masonary repairs that really need to be done one of them is on the I'm not good with directions there but if you're facing the building in the front parking lot it's on the left hand side um for some reason they put a utility anchor into the brick veneer um so that is pulling out that
you don't need to listen to this yeah it's pulling out the whole chunk of of the brick veneer that's going to that's going to need to be addressed and then there's also one other uh masonry issue around one of the windows underneath that really needs to be addressed um
obviously we talk about the it upgrades and then um there's some miscellaneous electrical miscellaneous Plumbing things that need to be done but the other big thing would be the access control uh in cameras I'm waiting for a quote from Valley Communications thought we would
have it now by now but J and I geez it's been over a month probably since we met over there with with valy um but that's really the the other one that that we need to we need to find a cost on um other things do you need to do that now
or can that be done you know I mean you know we're going to go to town meeting for a certain amount of money now y can the cameras and that stuff be done in incrementally you know like maybe at at the fall town meeting if we have some
free cash or the next you know or does it need to be done um uh it need um definitely we'll definitely need the access control stuff I think that 630 right I mean they're going to they're taking that equipment with them yeah
School District yeah we need a solution for the for the access control camera camera networks can be built out over time okay access Access Control access is is that going to include door locks um cuz you probably want to re key
the building but it's cheaper if you probably do you know like if you go to a hotel now they got electronic locks that are controlled through an access system yeah so we have everybody just have a a swipe card or an ID badge or something hanging around their neck get them into
their into their individual offices that's the way this building is yeah fobs y yeah so that's going to be you put on a new door for the yeah for a number of the exterior doors not all of them but a number of them um I'm
thinking even all the interior doors that was not included in the my initial discussion with Ry I don't know what you do here you lock them when you go home yeah we here just the outside doors that have but you probably would want to put new keyless in the maybe or
maybe not yeah long so not necessarily immediate but I I would say we would need to do it maybe within within a year we' be looking at hbac upgrades one of the challenges that we're going to have is that building has heat but it doesn't have cooling um they make them Mar
faster so that's a concern for that's a concern of mine for staff um but what I was hoping to do is if we if we if we're let's say we move in sometime in the fall October we spend that hot season here um and then we move over so that we
have a little bit more time to get those installed um before we really need them the you know to Don's suggestion about you know delaying the cameras or whatever you we do have an obligation to
present the town meeting with the true cost of what it's going to be to move in there you know we might be able to appropriate it later but from a discussion point of view we can't come back and say you know we told you 200,000 but hey we need another 150 Li you know
so right wellam does yeah like the tong here like everything in the world I guess what about the tiles in the hallway I noticed the other day going a planning board meeting in there the tiles in the hallway to the auditorium are coming up
too going to the auditorium going to the main entrance and take a left okay the ones I were talking about were to the right in the classroom the ones that I were talking about were the portion of the hallway to the right into the uh two classrooms and a portion of the hallway
to the right I I didn't notice those but I yeah there I wonder if it would be worthwhile to take a walk through so more people see things yeah when you want to do that I'd be happy to go now if you want um I can go with you uh things lighting upgrades could
would that be done what's that walks through to school oh yeah definitely we can set up a time two of us would love to go we want to let us know be happy to go okay all right good um weding upgrades um so we
had for the HVAC in lighting we had a a consultant from secure energy we are waiting on the cost estimates for the HVAC upgrades and the lighting upgrades um last water test at that building showed higher levels of posos the water so that's going to need a
water filtration system um for really those are the the other sort of big things that are that are hanging out there and then it would we'd have to manage it like like any other building where we'd have we'd have to put a capital plan together and we would have to address items as they come up I think
I come up parking lot's in okay shape but it's going to it's going to need it's going to need some help i' I'd spend some money sealing it be honest with you have somebody come out there and spray a Cod of tower over it Mark could probably have somebody do that
prolong the agony that'll that'll make the perking loot over about five years well it would because it it'll work for a while but it's only a bandaid how much do you think we'll be asking for at this town meeting so obviously we have the moving cost of of 880,000 and then I I think
it's going to depend on waiting on the access control amount from Valley um so we still have we have 100,000 we still yeah we still have 99,500 left of the previously approved funds the only thing that was spent was
for the the analysis of the of the the septic system so um I I don't think it will be a huge amount but I I want to wait to to hear back from Valley as to what that is the hpac courot was going to have all the cooling needed down the
road or just to take care of what's there now like dick says I think have the number yeah they were to do every every space okay every space so pumps throughout office yeah
space anything else on that and the next thing is other Capital request I only listed those because I think those are coming up at the town meeting this time lawnmower for parks and wreck and Lawn more for Highway the other question that uh that
I have that's associated with the move before you move on is have we have any further discussion on the future of this building go oh um a little bit I met with uh Brendan
gley he's a commercial realtor um and to sum up our conversation there's this building is not attractive from a commercial reuse standpoint uh that was that was his opinion um he said it would be he said if we were to sell it we'd
probably sell it for a dollar because the investment that somebody would have to make in this building to bring it up to the co code for for commercial use would be would be significant um it doesn't mean that I'll buy it for a dollar do I hear two you might have a
chance so what like I was just about to say you might have somebody who who who doesn't care about their return on investment um or who's willing to take a risk with it who who may want to do something with it um but generally from a his opinion was generally speaking
it's not attractive on the commercial Market Starbucks will here be here um that doesn't surprise me to be honest with you so that leaves us with continued ownership not get much out of it when we sell it but get the liability
off of our books or pay to demolish it and I got a feeling that the land value isn't worth the demolishing price no CU you have to take care of all his best as when oh yeah there's some good in this
building our department could use it for practice I'm not going to suggest anything like that you don't think so huh I don't think so I think the town would want to keep it oh my God no I think if you had to go for vote I
don't think they would vote for I do I so yeah rather than you know the $100,000 a year just to have it sit here there's a lot of history that people love that's all I'm saying I I would hope to take it down don't get me wrong but I'm just saying I think you
might or your and I mean at the end of the day it it likely require town meeting vote in the residents to decide what they want to do anyways you need money to demolish it you need money to fix it up yeah you need a vote to money I mean you need vote to sell it so I mean either way it's going to it's
going to I'm just worried that that that's going to be the unanswered question that keeps us getting permission to move so yeah I don't know well you know Don's a politician he'll have to figure out the spin right but the spin is
simple you have a building as much as we love it that does not is is not fulfilling the needs of the town now in the future we have a building at Thorton Burgess which we own have paid for and can you move the town hall to to be more
functional becomes a community community thing you know Community U I got to clean up my ACT there I got community uh you know programs uh we get better space for the efficiency we get a future planning and no matter what happens with
this building if you say we're going to renovate this building right guess what you got to move everybody out because it's going to be a three-year project and you got to go someplace anyhow so let's get over there now and get that done and then worry about this building later on we have more parking more
recreational things more programming more space you know 247 pickle ball 247 pickle ball anyhow that would be the I mean shouldn't be the the stress point is we were talking $7 to9 million
least to upgrade this building to to utilize it and I mean to me at town meeting people need to know that number if we're talking about the that's an important number and you can certainly say that we will make every
effort to sell this building to someone who can use it but at some point if that doesn't work we'll probably have to tear it down and to keep in mind the seven to9 million the feasibility study that did
that said that if even if you did that you wouldn't have enough room right right yeah but oh let's keep it as a cultural center sure we're going to spend 7 million to upgrade it to make the building solid enough to use it for
a purpose we really don't have yeah you three spare rooms at the town at the twb that could use for that yeah and and we can create more space at twb because right now we're we're we're not being Frugal with space we're being
Frugal with cost that's right all right the anything else on that did that realator or reach out to some of those people that take those like if you go up to U go to go to New Bedford where there's a lot of Old Mills
and stuff and they're converting those into Condominiums yeah we could do have to do I'm sure he was shooting from the hip you I would think so you don't want it yeah but you know you I would to raise expectations I was him but it would no get it as cheap as possible happy happy to enter into a financial
arrangement to assist us further nice yeah nice that's not 3% of a dollar or 6% of a dollar yeah all right so just the other Capital things that I guess are going to be on the on the town meeting are the lawn mower for parks and wreck a lawn mower for
Highway uh the Green Meadows uh some flooring parking lot which iffy and switches the ever famous I switches everywhere minog is asking for uh air
conditioning mini splits two-way radio repeaters which the chief of police is asking for because I guess they can't communicate from one end of the building to the other and camera system and a cabota RTV not happy what do they need one of them
for not happy about that right to campus $43,000 been yeah it's a nice or nicer than any golf figures for those I do 43 I have I'm working off of Old sheet um
yeah 43,000 for the cabota RTV uh they get Pardon Me Mine only cost 25 they've escalated um the fancy one the camera system I'll give you totals yeah yeah
the uh camera system upgrade and storage is 370,000 um the internal rate I'm going from bottom up okay internal two-way radio repeater upgrade and that was the
chief's request is 11,000 and then um to add or replace the split AC units is 35,000 those are both with and then um
did you want to go through hamon's or no yeah go ahead okay hamden's requirements um and again this is an old sheet but um if I'm going to go for green Metals flooring replacement they're looking to do five to six
classrooms it's 35,000 uh green medals parking lot repairs and to extend the Fire Road is another 35,000 and the GMS uh switch upgrades are going to be 92,500 so
um I guess the question I have Brian is you know what they're saying is um switch upgrades are 10 to 12 years end of life and they're
replacing nine of them at Green metal so if I do the math correctly 925 10 grand divide by n it's 10,000 a piece so does
that parallel what you've got for um WB yeah I think so okay and the other portion of that would be the wireless wireless access points so that pretty detailed break now the the Green Meadows ones we're totally responsible
for correct that's I gave you the numbers that we are totally responsible for and the the windog one we're 20% responsible you're right I mean I can give you the you know again this is yeah rough yeah would you like that one yeah okay um which way do you want it from
the bottom up again or yeah okay the cabota RTV our responsibility would be 8,6 $22 um for the camera system upgrade our responsibility would be
72,000 016 the internal two-way radio repeater is 2, $141 in the um split AC units is going to be
6,812 those are our responsibilities now is that going to be one a separate item or is that going to be included in the assessment which one all of those all of those the minog ones I believe and I'm
I'm talking out out of the my butt here okay um I believe they were going to do each one individually like we did we had done that in the past the assessment letter has it as one number that's nice I hope they enjoyed that but yeah your draft warrant has separate things and my
understanding is that on the ones for minog we were trying to coordinate so that we have the same articles that wilam has wiam has separate you know if if John is successful in killing the Kabota we don't we don't affect anything
else well I don't you knowas and that's okay I believe that I believe uh Wilbraham Finance one of the only ones they really did was they they said was okay was the cabota RTV and I'm
again they have it out for me but anyways I think there's some issues that still need to be worked out between um wilam Finance wilam school and US of course uh John Flynn do you have
anything to add well one thing we talked about before Don was you know maybe making this a a one one time Bond type thing you know so it can all go into a maybe even a 20-year payoff if we're looking at a big number for thorn Burgess a big
number for the fire station Maple we're asking for $10 million to be paid off over 20 years okay so you're risking the strategy there is you're risking the move and you're risking I don't know what other I had in
there the Senor Center whatever based on the fire station getting an override well I think we talked before about that way everybody's got some skin in the game I think you have a better chance of passing a Omnibus thing than
what we saw for the senior center where not everybody was in that you know in that mode to vote for one thing this goes back to what we did before for the road project you know we had a 5-year plan for the roads and everybody had something in it so passed but
the the senior center thing is we could do that easily without any kind of exclusion right we could do everything except for the firehouse without any kind of an override VOE agree otherwise you run that risk
that all got nothing yeah you're lose you lose all your needs for the senior center you lose the needs for the trans etc etc I don't think that's a good idea you know I mean the move is a the move particularly is an
operating budget issue I hate to you know Bond 20 years for for an operating budget I mean I appreciate John's political Savvy in thinking that if he's got all the seniors voting for it all the firemen voting for it and all
the townhouse people voting for it it has a better chance of passing the override but I don't really want to risk the move or the senior center repairs on that strategy well I'm not talking on repairs I'm talking the fact that the the plan for the senior center hasn't
gone away there's still a need there and I think what Brian talked about before for the for thorn Burgess is that there's still going to be a greater need for upgrade in the future you know we still had a number from tyan Bond bran of several million dollars for a full
full build off of it and that's not going to go away but in order to do that the fire department believes they'll be ready to go in the spring I don't think the senior center is ready for another proposal and we're not ready for a major renovation on the
T thoron Burgess so we'd have to delay the firehouse or do the firehouse and then roll into a bigger Bond later like you've done before Dick where you've Consolidated rolling the bonds aren't a problem it's the override vote we're going to need an override vote for the
firehouse and so that you lose that constituency with your Omnibus override later so I'm not sure how that would work it's a gamble yeah the whole yeah the whole
things a gamble well well we're not solving that right now so I'm not going to gamble of hand should buy a power ball ticket every day and cross our fingers right so the warrant article so the if the fire
station goes forward there'll be a warrant article for debt exclusion exclusion or over exclusion Deb exclusion yeah so we'll need a ballot question because we have to give the clerk a notice 35 day notice the last thing on the agenda is the uh ham the
hamon wilham Regional School District agreement we've met with the select the wilham select board um and we presented to them the fact that we didn't feel that uh they're a little bit angry with me
right now so I'm going to I'm going to couch my words a little bit uh that uh we were being fair in asking that the previous documented Capital Improvements from
2015 on that hadn't been taken care of are not our responsibility we'd be happy to look at something in the future if we are to pay for Capital Improvements we want equity in the building some portion of equity some way to figure out equity in the
building meaning we're paying for the Capital Improvements and they sell the thing I mean who knows 10 years or 20 years from now we want we want a portion of what we paid in how dare you present a reasonable argument so uh and and uh the I was very
disappointing personally for me that um the wilham capital planning committee didn't see fit to recommend funding the 700,000 to fix the univent and the air Handling Systems which are a big problem
with the mold and also to uh one of the things they have over there is they're all cold cold water pipes none of none of them are insulated so therefore when the warm weather comes the cold water creates condensation and you get the
mold so that's where we are we're meeting again on I senent I thought it was a nice letter but apparently it was they took offense at it but my wife takes offense a lot of things I say too but in in the uh we're
meeting with them uh tomorrow tomorrow at 5:30 to proceed with our discussions there's um I did offer to we did offer we did also suggest that they sell the building to the region for a dollar and
then it'll give us 20% ownership of it but that didn't go um they want to reciprocate on our buildings too though so is there any Regional agreement proposal that will be at the annual town
meeting no okay no they they put that off to the fall that's I thought okay so we'll see I mean the the issue is they own the building they least the region so is there is Don is there any talk I mean
they' talk for a long time about having a new Middle School yeah they they brought that up but you know that's 10 or 15 years down the road at best that's the time frame they they think that that would and I do have I do have to say and this is kind of off the topic
but the new superintendent I I have to give him credit he is really beginning trying to address issues long-term issues that have been going on with not only the the setup but the the buildings and that stuff and he's he's really really working at it and doing his doing
his best you know and I I give him credit for that cuz it's a tough situation anything else motion to adjourn please you set up a time for the tour what's coordinate he's got to check
with the we got to get it okay get permission they still own the building so might want company Thursday I have a motion John there days a we second favor