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Good evening and welcome to the June 15, 2026 meeting of the Hland Select Board and Board of Health. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We are broadcasting this meeting over Zoom from the town hall 85 Overham Road. We're also recording the meeting. Is there anybody else recording the meeting?

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Seeing none. Okay. First order of business is minutes. And we have two sets of minutes. One June 8th ranking right along like only last week and an executive set.

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The executive set was to >> typo >> Doug's Doug's name >> Doug's name >> it's got it's B O U D it's should be

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second >> history when people go back and look at these things >> only if we release it now is That's right. >> I don't think we're going to release anything yet. They haven't completed this. Correct. >> Motion to approve without release.

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>> So, we'll all in favor. >> All right. Meeting of last Monday. No, Monday. Monday. Yeah. So, came in told us we had plenty of money. Good to know. Wow.

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Presentation of the storm waters position on the highway. awarded the window contract for the senior center and we did a summer schedule. Fifthly, what's uh Brian? What's happening with that new hire thing?

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Sorry, the uh new position at the highway department >> uh with highway. >> Yeah. >> Um is in conversation with the he's waiting back waiting to hear back from the highway union representative. They've had conversations back and forth.

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>> Great. I think they're going to set up a time to meet, but I think they're agable to it. It's just >> that'll work it in >> sticks. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Motion to approve June 8th minutes. >> Second. All in favor? >> I We're happy to welcome to our meeting

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Tony. >> Hello. Regen from the W regional dispatch center. >> Uh hello. >> Make sure you're on camera. Is that your good? >> Yeah. See, you can see my bald spot. I don't like that. We have to change that. >> We can edit that out. >> Okay, that'd be great. Can you give me

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some hair? Maybe a little thinner. >> That wrong color. >> Yeah. Yeah, it'd be great. >> It's not that kind of We're not It's not that strong. >> Yeah. Yeah. I have to go to Turkey and get it fixed. >> Thanks for coming, El. >> Sure. No problem. Um, so, uh, before the

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beginning of the year, I spoke with the fire chief regarding, uh, radio infrastructure, any type of service. He's here. >> Oh, perfect. Um, and that was when, uh, chief when you, the select board was, uh, looking for a new Hamilton police chief. So, I waited until Chief Bruno

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came on and, uh, you know, a few months, whatever. So, I spoke with him a few weeks ago regarding uh, radio service. If there's an issue with the radio system or whatever, have one point of contact which would go through me. So if the fire department has an issue, if the police department has an issue, let me

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know. And if it's something that I can fix, I will do it. If it's something that I can't, then I'll go uh to radio vendors and ask. Um Hampton uses two Marcus for most of the infrastructure and Gootown for some of the cruisers. Um uh the grant that I got a year or two

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ago that had uh additional radios put in each of the cruisers. Uh Gootown deals with that and those are still under warranty. So um last week there was an issue with one of the cruisers. Uh they called me called I actually had Gootown and Wilberham doing something and I sent them right down there and fix it.

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Warranty, no no charge to anybody. >> Um so that's what I do in Wilberham. Wilberham I take care of the radio system. Any type of radio system >> issue goes through me. That's so everybody knows, my people will know that if a site goes down, if a firetruck is disabled, if a police cruiser is

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having a problem, it goes to me. I let my people know so everybody knows. And that's the same thing I want to do uh for the town of Hammond as well. >> All right. How are you compensated for that in Warhead? >> I'm not. >> Would you offer us the same deal? >> I would. >> It's a great deal. >> It is a great deal. Yeah.

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>> I just ask the chief, Ed, how do you feel about this? >> I think it's important one point factories to carve it. So a lot of people don't need to reach out to me and it's obvious. >> Yeah.

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>> No, you're in favor of favor. >> Okay. Thank you. And you talked to Chief Maro and >> he's he's in favor of it as well. I sent him an email. I was supposed to tell him that I was coming here today, but I forgot. I text him a little while. >> Maybe busy. >> All right. So, I'm not really sure

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what action needs to be done. >> This is just you making us aware of >> I didn't know if you wanted to take an action or if there was any action need to be taken, but I wanted to let the the board know. >> Sure. >> That looks like what we're going to do and if there was any issues with it or if you had any suggestions, complaints,

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you know, again, if there's any issues, you know. >> Well, I think the fact that you're 247 service, >> right, >> as opposed to Yes. that >> we've been operating this way already. If we have a problem, we reach out to to >> gentile and say this when we need that

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makes recommendations or helps us out. So, it's been great now. So, I >> was just just putting the stamp on it basically. Okay. How's the board feel about this the price? Okay. >> I guess give us a little something.

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>> I mean, if you want to give me >> No, he wants Can we give something back? Yeah. Right. How's Gramby coming along? >> Uh, so we have a letter of attestation with Graanby. Again, that's not set in stone. Um, we're going to start moving forward. I wanted to wait for budgets and everything to get done. So, I think after July 1, I'll start coordinating

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with them and start moving forward. I'm looking for a July 1st, 2027 start date kind of like what we did with Hammond. Soft cut over in June and then full cut over Julyish one. >> What's the population in Graanby? >> 6,000. >> Six. >> Yeah, it's it's like a Hammond, right?

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little bit bigger but >> right next to Beltown so it's it works it fits >> want to make sure we don't I don't want to be in that Westcom type thing where we would have been the smallest by far of group things we now got equitable >> yes absolutely

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>> and I wouldn't want a larger community anyway >> you know what I mean because we're local >> town big city or anything >> and then at that point there might be an opportunity for discussion depending if the state does anything for

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us of revisiting. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Because if we bring on another community, we go to the top of the list for funding. So I can always throw in there, hey, you know, >> let's do this or that. And they may say yes, they may say no. I mean, the first I can say is no. So >> well, I think like you've said for

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years, their goal is to consolidate, right? >> You know, they want I always talk about the small raindrop, the big raindrop, you know, back at >> we're never going to be what the Birkers are, >> right? which is what four over the entire Birkshire's four dispatch centers >> I think there's I think there may only

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be three now >> yeah and one large one Ber regional center that was just taken over by the state so that's actually a state >> regional center now um North Adams and Williamstown I think and then there's Shelurn so two of them are state one of

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them's local and then Dalton yes Dalton has three towns there too >> okay all right so this is now the discussion about the regional dispatch agreement. So briefly explain what you have here or Brian you can.

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>> Uh so it's it's a one-year extension of the agreement >> at the same funding level >> at the same funding level. So we can uh I guess in my conversation with Nick so we can figure out 180 and beyond. >> Right. Which may include hopefully something from the state at that point. >> Right. Right.

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>> And I will try you know my absolute best >> as I always do. I'm I'm pretty good at finding money. >> All right. So, we have an amendment is hereby agreed that the intermunicipal agreement for emergency communications and dispatch services by and between the

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town of Warham, the town of Camden, and the town of Belturetown dated June 15th is modified as follows. by adding the following sentence to the end of the first paragraph of section two. Term the

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term of the agreement between Warberham and Hampton shall be extended for an additional fiscal year which is the period of July 1st 2026 to June 30th 2027. The parties intend no other changes to this agreement. And we're

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looking for signatures from the Warhammer Select Board, Hammond Select Board, and the Belchure Town Select Board. So moved approval. >> All those in favor >> I >> I >> So is this copy going to be circulated

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three towns? >> We'll circulate a single a single copy and have >> to the other two times. >> Yeah. >> Wonder why we're the only select board. Don >> Well, we're one word. >> Yeah. Why is that? >> We're saving space on the computer. >> Yeah. It saves money.

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>> Toner, too. It's a smaller >> toner because you charge by charge by the space. small letter. >> See where they have the capital letter that's using up toner. >> Oh yeah. Every time >> fiscal responsibilities are by word.

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>> We're not so much similar to what you when you go to >> Wingham. Oh yeah. >> Those guys joial. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. So you sign your copy and pass it along. That's fine. >> Signing my copy. >> And you're going to pass that to them

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after you copy it? >> No. Are we giving this signed copy to you to bring to the other meetings? >> I mean, I can if you want, but I don't know. >> We'll we'll get you one for for one final one for signature after. >> Yeah, >> because there's a there's a that blank

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space there because the original agreement doesn't have a a state. >> All right. It's approved for later sign agreement. >> That it? >> I don't know. >> I think that's it for me. >> Well, that's not the original agreement. >> Money. Yeah. >> What do you want?

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cameras, stuff like that. We talked before about cameras at the other buildings. >> Yep. >> I know we got a security upgrade here, >> but we talked about could there be an expansion for like the senior center, old town hall, stuff like that. >> That comes into play if we bring on another community. So,

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>> okay. Let's hope for that. >> Yes. >> Great. >> Yes. So, I usually get whatever we ask for when we bring on another community because we'll go right to the top of the list. So, so get your asks up by July of next year. Great. Yep. >> Okay.

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>> All right. >> Thank you. >> Excellent. Thank you. >> Safe. >> Well, next. So, what >> looks like your thing? >> You're well on like a deep subject. >> No, I guess.

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>> Okay. One thing I asked to be put on the agenda. You've heard me talk before about, you know, different parcels in town that may have some value in terms of us selling them, if it will. Uh, many of these, as you know, get donated

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because they're land that has no value and the people are tired of paying taxes on it. Don, I think there's land behind you that that lady's trying to get rid of for years. >> Prime land. Prime land. >> Yeah. The part that's not underwater.

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Yeah. Anyhow, so >> it's not underwater. >> Yeah, exactly. And I will >> find oil there someday. >> No, I will tell you when I was on the planning board, there was a part in the middle. They just couldn't get to it. >> There is. Right. We own that. I own that sandbank. >> Do you really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But not the part around.

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>> There's a there's a right away on burnwood which is overgrown with trees and you you couldn't get to it. So, >> but if anyone needs sand, I'd be happy to. >> What a guy. got a good deal. Got the

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contract for the town for the Yeah. Um, so we asked for a list of town own properties and I can't quickly count, but it looks like there's over 30 on this page here. Some have some good size to them, some don't. Obviously, some of the properties on here, town own

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properties are properties that are used for, if you will, uh, recreational purposes, either the Menit Land Trust, things like that. But there are some and one in particular that I've noticed that I think has some value and that's a

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parcel on Wraham Road. You've probably seen and a butter going kind of a a logging trail up to it or whatever >> and talking to the town clerk trying to find the provenence for it and I see the assessors here. They've had a

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little conversation on it too. It's a 30-something acre parcel off of Wolverham Road to figure out how the town acquired it. If we can clean that up, we should put it up for sale. First off, we assess if we have any really good need for it, and if not, it's got

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more value bringing uh money into the town coffers, if you will. So, that's something I think the board should investigate, maybe look over some of the other ones as well. >> Even if it's and Don, property changes all the time. We talk about the part

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behind you. It used to be a lot wetter and as parcels change, maybe the parcel that abuted Mr. Smith had no value to him 20 years ago, but maybe now he's like, "Oh, okay. You know what? That's drier. I wouldn't mind buying it." Whatever. We should find out if they

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have value because right now they do nothing for the town. A lot of these they're usually landlocked and could even be abandoned parts of roads or something like that from prior projects.

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>> Um so especially on that one parcel on Warham Road I think it might need Brian probably even a trip to the registry. You know they tried searching it online but I think sometimes you need to go down there and actually go through the

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book. Is there an actual address for it? >> Just a partial address and a book and page. There is a book and page for it though. So, there should be something. At one point, it wasn't ours somewhere. All right. So, what I'd like to

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obviously a conversation with the town clerk, the assessors, they have the the books, etc. And whether it's a matter of sending Jane down, Laura down, whatever, and try and really find out how we got that

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parcel. Okay, great. Or make the new guy do it. >> Right. That being said, the next uh little early, but I don't think anyone's going to care. Next thing on the agenda, we've asked the board of assessors to a joint meeting because

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they got a new fish. >> Come on up, Ed. Come on, gentlemen. How are you? Good. Hey. So, you are here because of a vacancy on your board. Long-term member Norm Shereest resigned, >> not for any reason. I heard he was

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moving >> and that was the reason we certainly thank Norm for his service both on black board and on the board of assessors. >> Um, so you posted for a vacancy. >> Yes, we did. >> You did. out of the hundreds of responses you winnowed it down to I

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think >> just just that >> you had a letter of interest from Mr. We looked at that. We uh he met all the requirements that we had in the posted requirements on there and

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we suggest that we do appoint him. I think he'd be an asset to the town and to the board of assessors. >> Well, I think by, you know, the letter you wrote at your background certainly seems relevant to the board of assessors, my natural background. Um you're certainly familiar with Tom

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Boards. >> Yes. >> This will be your third. Second, >> I thought you were on parks. >> I wasn't on the board, actually. I was I took care of the park itself. >> Okay. So, just cemetery. >> Yes. >> You'll like this one. It's nice.

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>> Fingers crossed. >> I got good guys to work with. So, >> okay. The badge we made before is going to tape over the the department. Just put the new one on. Okay. You know, budget crunch, you know. >> So, but I do think uh certainly thank

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you for stepping forward. >> Looking forward to it. I was actually at the art show over the weekend and talking to your wife and she was quite eager for you to get something get out of the house. >> Yes. Those two months she doesn't want me around.

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>> All right. So, any any probing questions for Ed? >> No. >> No. >> You guys have already asked all the hard ones? I mean, he went through the screening process. Cory checked.

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Absolutely. >> That a few times. >> What? >> That I was checked multiple times. >> I would think actually for parks probably at that point. Yeah. So, anyhow, all we won't belver the point. Okay. >> Um, so typically, as we've done in the past, uh, we have a motion from one

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board and a second from the other board. >> Okay. >> I'll let it's your person. I'll let you make the motion. >> I make a motion that we accept Edward to fill the vacant position on the board of assessors. second >> till till uh the next election and then

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he would be able to run for the remainder of the term. Right. >> He's aware of that, >> right? I don't know how many is left. Obviously, you were just reelected so and great campaign by the way. >> I got more than you did. >> It's a stealth stealth operation.

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>> I know sign the signs the TV is notice. Uh this one's south quick. So you have the motion to basically appoint him to the vacancy until the next town election. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Second. Second.

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>> Second by Eric. Uh any discussion? Last chance. >> Looking forward to it. >> Your wife's here. Never mind. Okay. >> All those in favor? >> Welcome. >> Welcome. >> Welcome. >> Great. Thank you. >> Beautiful.

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>> Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. The evening >> another spot. >> Thanks. I guess the more I can learn about the town, right? >> You get yours, Bob. All right. >> And those are the fun part of meeting

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aren't there. Okay, next we have the Oldtown House Committee come in for an update. Watched your last meeting. You got a ton of suggestions. Want to come forward so we can get most of you on camera if you can, please.

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>> Well, they look better in these chairs. You guys want to change with us and we'll go out there. >> Come on. Bill, >> Bill, >> I brought this one, but I almost brought the L's daily grind mug. I have >> a good one.

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>> Still got that >> so we can hear you. >> Just in case one, >> don't worry about hearing. >> All right. Well, you're welcoming the old townhouse committee. Thank you all especially for your service and like

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meeting what every week you know what you're doing. I mean it's thankless and we really thank you for what you're you know stepping up. Many people talk about stepping up. You're actually stepping up and we thank you. >> Anybody missing tonight?

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>> Should we wait for him then or what do you think? We're a touch early so that's all but >> is he trying to He's not on Zoom is he? He's >> not on Zoom is he? Why don't we uh why don't we just wait a few minute? Why don't we do this here?

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>> Okay. >> I have a request for a permit to operate a one-day food service establishment east village tavern. Uh and this is for the rock into summer event to be held on someday.

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What is it? July 11th. May 11th. What times? >> 6:00 to 9:00 p.m. >> Move approval. >> I'll second that. All >> in favor? I >> Now, did they say they were getting um lease or no?

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>> Yes. >> Duty or was the end like >> or was it a combination of both? >> I think a combination of both. >> Yeah, they were going to hire somebody plus also. >> But they're having trouble getting food trucks, he said. of other other food trucks.

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>> Is there an approved list for the town or >> We've actually been pretty l not lax, but we've authorized Don to rather than waiting for a meeting to authorize it. >> Okay. >> You know, if somebody comes in, hey, can I be at the event tomorrow? >> Don goes, he'll test all the food.

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>> Test the food. >> Takes an hour or so. >> That's why he brings enough. >> Yeah. He schedules events we don't even have just to have them right now. Um there was actually talk back when we were moving here, Brian. There was actually

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talk about having food trucks here. >> Yes. >> But I don't we question if there was enough business. I mean would people drive here for it or >> some of them get a following. >> Yeah, they do. They do. >> They give their location. They post where they're going to be.

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What? The old townhouse. >> No, we talk about the >> We talk about the That's number seven. >> That's number seven. We just added an idea. >> Yeah. There's Heritage Park usually has a couple. >> Uh and to Parker Road, Parker Indian orchard in that little lot there. They

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have one. If you anybody knows of anybody that runs a food truck, I know Parker Rec would really appreciate more of a presence at the Rock and December thing on the 11th. my birthday. I think I might have to go.

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>> Well, if there's another reason to have it, >> there you go. >> So, the band will definitely be playing for you. >> Oh, yeah. >> For you, Brian. Yeah. What else do we have on here we can talk about? Um, >> I got nothing else. Let's get started.

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All right. Okay. Done. Don as the exeicio zoom operator leader of the band. >> I hate that breaking leg. >> Do you best >> You do a great job. >> Great job. >> Have fun. >> You do a decent job. I mean almost as

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good as Joe, but I you Joe gets me out of the house. >> Give us a recap. >> All right. So the old townhouse committee sent the select board six recommendations uh about areas that need some future

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exploration and the old townhouse committee is looking for direction from the select board as to which if any of these pathways outlined uh does does the select board consider to be a best interest of the town and worth pursuing for presentation at a

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town meeting or should be eliminated from considerations. We got to narrow this down somehow. So the old townhouse committee is here to answer any questions or clarification the select board may need regarding each of these recommendations. Depending on that the select board's

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decision or direction of which pathway to pursue the uh old townhouse committee will do some further research feasibility and other aspects you know in that direction. And of course clearly any decision regarding that the fire station location

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of the fire station what happens there is going to carry some some weight. Okay. >> So one of the recommendations were and there was a series of motions made by one of the members

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and one of them was to recommend the select board to investigate the potential for a public private partnership. Would you care to explain what your vision of that is in 25 words or less? >> You mean 250 words or less? >> Okay, I'll give you 100 words.

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>> What? It was Joe who made the motion. >> Yeah. >> Oh, there is a rule. We only allow three motions here as well. Okay. Same rule you guys have in one night. >> It's gonna be tough. Go ahead. After careful consideration and listening to

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everyone present their ideas, I I believe that the most viable path for the old townhouse is a public private partnership that's in conjunction with a much broader strategy

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for an overlay district that would include the area from uh the transfer station all the way down to Main Street. I don't believe that the old town hall on its own has the capacity nor does

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Hampton have the uh capacity to inspire somebody redeveloping that thing without a much broader perspective. So my idea would be to investigate public private partnerships as part of a much grander

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uh deal as an example. want a couple examples. He was asking me a drone drug delivery station. It's one example. One thing I appreciate what you said. One thing I had shared with Don and I know he shared with the

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board after last week was that the town used to have a Ham business alliance if you will and I think you recall. I think maybe even Jeff was on it at one time. >> I used to film it. There's your really good >> VHS camera. >> Amden, >> put that on eBay right now. There we go.

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Exactly. So, and I think you bring up a good point. We need that type of overall vision when you talk about the fact that if we don't keep business developing a little bit. Everything is going to be paid for in town by residential taxes.

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>> Yeah, >> the town did zone business areas. We need to bring that along. It's never going to be Wolverham East Law Meadow with a split rate or something, but it's still something that can offset some of it. Joe brought up the point, you look

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at what's happening with Cumberland Farms. You look at uh that whole strip right there, if you will. If a guy with vision, and we both know people that have tried to do something in the past there could do something, it could really brighten up the whole spot. I'm

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not quite sure in my mind if the overlay goes all the way up the transfer station because that's an awful lot of residential along the way that I'm not sure we can revisit. But I think you're right about the main street part of it and then back to what the board has been

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working on the intersection part how that could be crafted better to be more attractive as well. But I think you know we look at the overall thing Joe it's a good point and maybe it's a a bigger vision for that but that maybe after

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that's after this you know if you start bringing so many things into what you're working on here maybe you lose sight of what the goal was to start which was what are we doing with this property is there and I look at you I look at

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Paul is there out there this public private partnership agencies companies that are looking to do something though. Is there a money source? Well, I think there's a variety of sources of funding for this

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project, but I think that the failed I've had I made a motion that failed miserably that night, and that was to encourage the select board to appoint an economic development council for purposes of developing the old townhouse

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within the uh opaces of this overlay district. So without having some entity that's investigating those things to do, >> I'm not uh not quite sure it's going to be able to get done, frankly.

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>> But just in your experience, I mean, are there with some a group doing that? Are there other places that are going to respond and say, "Yeah, we would like to be." >> You have to be you have to be innovative. you have to bring innovation to the town and give given them an

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opportunity to ex to experiment. I mean, I just mentioned one, but the drone delivery. I I I got probably 50. >> I'd like to get a group together >> to put the plan together and present it

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to the select board. And I'm also thinking of developing an economic development council uncensored. At first at first blush, I would just say one thing.

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What you talk about would require a bit of a pause in the direction of what you do with the property. I don't think well I'm say a pause in terms of we're talking about doing something in the fall making the decision

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and you say that may be but maybe it'll take a little more time. So what would be the cost of us doing that and not doing something else on the list? The cost would be about what was the guest $40 $50,000 a year to maintain the building.

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>> Yep. So that's my point. And I guess the thing would be, okay, is it worth the town paying another $30,000? They're already halfway through the area to say, let's investigate other options that would and not take any of the other

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options right now because once we go down their path, your option doesn't work anymore. You're saying, okay, I think you're saying I think there's a potential for a great outcome to the building. I'm not just talking about the building. I think

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the I got the building has to be the anchor, the foundation for what we're doing. That's part of it. And the Cumberland Farms has to be another anchor for what this could do. And the transfer station, the embedded energy and the transfer station. I would I

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would I'm not a betting guy, but I would say you could generate at least a million to$2 million out of the transfer station that we're not getting. I think we could cut a deal with with people that are doing carbon offsets, preserve some of the property in town and offset

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some carbon somewhere else like laughing brook did. I mean uh >> well perhaps I mean you look at the largest age you're looking at the miniatur land trust and all that miniature model >> totally looking at it the whole the whole thing >> but but again I worry that this will distract from the purpose of the committee which was the old

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>> I'm trying to say >> you're saying this is saying you're saying I'm working on phase eight but you like look at phase >> no you're looking at phase B >> you're saying this is >> listen >> nobody's going to invest in that deal >> you're going to get one guy when you get

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this request quest for a proposal to come out and it might be western mass development. That'll be it. Maybe two or three other guys versus people. >> What I'm saying is you put that out as a piece of a much broader picture.

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Then you might get some people that might do the broader picture to get a piece of that. Mhm. But say we do that and you bring a good suggestion that does put a pause on any other thing that would happen with it because we now need to craft the overall vision.

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>> Well, right. Well, now you're being that that you know the uh the the uh the Irakqua nation made decisions based on seven generations.

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That's how they made their decisions on seven. What impact will this have on the seventh generation? >> What I'm hearing is what impact will this have in the next one or two years? That's what I'm hearing. But what I'm saying is >> No, no, no. What he's what what he's

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saying is this. What he's saying is this that if we say we're going to >> we're going to do this plan. We're going to do this plan. We're going we're going to we're going to have this we're going to have this we're going to have this as an anchor for a larger project.

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Therefore, that means we don't demolish it >> and we don't and we don't put we don't put the fire department in there >> or portion of the fire department. >> So that that's any one that you pick any one of these examples that you just

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gave could apply to the one that TAD wants to do. Knock it down and make a park. Then none of the other ones are available. Right. >> So any decision you make it automatically it it automatically negates any of the other ones. What this one does is it gives you a lot of

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flexibility. You could do you could Bob selling it. >> No distinction. >> I used nuclear there. >> He could do that. >> That's too small. >> Okay. >> So one of the issues also is Cumberland I see your vision. The problem is

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Cumberland Farms is tied up. We people in town have been begging and steal that property and nobody they want they get nowhere. >> Cumberland Farms will be affected by the value of that stock that they have that Cumberland Farms will be impacted by the

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stock. If they get some significant push back for what they've made available to the town on that piece of property all this time, it's not going to be good for them. It's not a good It's not a good look. Can't you take that by eminent domain? >> Yes, but we would have to use it for

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town purposes, >> right? You'd have to >> But that negates what I talked about like if we have business area, we wouldn't purpose we'd have no income from it. >> No, but if if you have a public private partnership there as well,

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>> we need a framework. We need a framework from which we could do deals. the other two. >> But as Don said, that's you're right about that. But that says, okay, we're going to investigate that part, which is maybe that's motion A with bigger vision. All the other motions go on the

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back burner. >> Well, same with all the other motions. >> Not number two, but >> number two is all is that the one with the >> potential sale? Yeah. >> Well, that's the same as the public, you know, it's one of the opions for the public private partnership. I'm fine with >> I'm not saying I'm not saying it's a wrong thing, but there's a cost involved

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to it because we have to maintain the building. Why don't we investigate? >> I I would say when when you when you said it failed miserably the other night, there was some discussion that a few people said it's a great idea. I've said, you know, I think it's a great idea with this grand vision you have, but but we I think we'd be getting out

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in front of what we're trying to do just like you're saying. I think we need to figure out which one and and then if it turns out that one of those two the public private or the lease back then you could then you can come to these guys they'd be they've already heard your piece come to them and say I want

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to put together a a group which I think then you'd probably be pretty agreeable to put together some kind of group that Joe would come up with Joe and Paul or whoever else >> and then you guys start looking at that but right in this five minutes I think we need to keep going with what we have on paper there. That's all.

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>> I I hear that Joe was saying we we have a thing here. We have a chessboard. You have one piece on the chessboard. If you get the entire chessboard together, you have a lot more value because you have more pieces that bring value to it. If

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you have just the the one rook there, you can't do much with it. But you got the rook here, the queen here, the king here. Now you got the whole chessboard as you in grow, you know, grow up the district, if you will. So, give us some time to set up the framework for the

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district and you're going to find more value in every piece on the chessboard or no. >> Yeah, kind of like that. >> Kind of like that. >> I don't but I don't think it eliminates all the other options. >> Well, nothing eliminates the options if you don't do anything with the building. The options still there. >> We could hang on to this for another 10

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years for all we know right now. >> Right. brings his option in >> his option included the fire department depending on what they come up with what their proposal is that could still move forward. >> That's right. >> Basically the the main structures there.

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It's just kind of like are they going to take some of the property or aren't they going to take some of the property? >> That's how it affected everything. But you know everything in town there's tons of pop. Yeah. Nuclear in town. Yes, definitely. But that's probably not the right site for it. Mhm.

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>> That might be a right site for wastewater treatment plant because with all this increase in stuff, we're going to probably have to look down the road, you know, public sewers, public water, >> increasing

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um the infrastructure of town because, you know, part of part of what we talked about was power generation so that hopefully nobody in Hampton has to pay an electric bill, which would be fantastic,

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>> but you got to do some upgrades. We'd probably have to put street lights in at every intersection in town, but that's not the end of the world either. You could put rotaries in instead because that all impacts to if you add if you add business, you're going to add

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traffic. I think he's got a great idea. >> Well, I think it speaks to like and Joe has said before, how do we integrate this into the master plan? Yeah. >> Because the master plan is also a vision, if you will, >> and this could be part of the vision. talks about this >> right >> varied district but I but to add on to

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what that said >> one of the goals that I believe we can have is that be hand be become energy independent I mean literally create enough energy we only generate we the town of Hampton generates about and I looked I just looked it up recently about a trillion kilowatts of energy a

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year all we have to do is replace that >> all we have to do is replace that son as the cars go over creep energy, the river, everything we could possibly get. >> And then and then and that's part of that district. >> But again, that's another charge

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separate from the charge of this committee. And I want to go back to again your mandate in the committee was >> do you have a plan for this building here and you've listed five, six, seven things that in your opinion could be

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present to us and say which way do you all want to go? Oh, you want to do the the other one is the select board invest private public with >> I would thank you back again. I apologize for being late, but it's okay. >> You're still on the committee. It won't matter.

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>> You can get >> Yeah, you don't get off that for you. >> You pass one down to Brian, please. >> And this one's out uh email today to the committee. So, uh thank you for the opportunity. Uh, first and foremost,

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please have an open mind. Okay. Um, I do echo what Joe said. I think a, you know, developing Main Street is something that we need to look at. And in my vision, I see them all being on Main Street.

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Um the cost of retaining an underutilized building is not just what we spend today, but it's what the future repairs um and deferred maintenance that the taxpayers and uh hoping that you know

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you had spoke at our last meeting about financial impact to the town residents. We you know we just keep adding on adding on and adding on. So, please keep in mind that keeping this building operational at its size is going to do just that. It's going to continue to add

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cost to the residents of this town. And I think it's it's incumbent upon us as a committee and you as uh voted select board members uh to do what you can to minimize that financial impact. Um so again, taxpayers are eventually

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going to have to fund this building. Selling the former TWWB building represents an opportunity to strengthen our financial future. The property due to its age uh does and or will need onboarding maintenance um and a

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long-term investment. So, the benefits of a lease of a lease back um the true value of getting the town hall back to safe and code compliant facility in the heart of Main Street. command. You I look at Main Street and it's it's

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awesome. You know, I think truly I believe that's where the town hall needs to be. The town has input on the construction of the facility which is rebuilt with operational needs in mind. Okay. Uh

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future operating expenses are a line item. So it's a it's a budgeted expense that you have on your P&L uh versus an override in the tax rate. Preventive maintenance are handled in the agreement versus the town and shoulder in the

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expenses. So again, all this is you'd be a tenant of a property that eventually you would own. If you lease a building, it could be structural. The lease could be favored structure. Uh the let me back up. If the

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town leases a building, it could be structured so that is a favorable lease payment, debt service, and rent. You could also reserve the right to to buy out early if uh if you so choose, you come into some cash um

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so on and so forth down the road. So, while there's a a predetermined time frame for the lease, I would add language that allows you to get out of it and buy it and buy it out. A lease provides long-term stability.

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Private developers do not have to use prevailing wages. So your 9 10 11 12 million project, you could take say 10 15 20% of that right off the top because they go out to bid. Um it'd be

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faster because we don't have all the red tape that we would have to go through being a a town um you know operation. End of life replacements and preventive maintenance would be built into the lease. So if there's an elevator that's

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needed, which I understand there is, if the life expectancy of the elevator is 20 years and the lease goes 20 years, at the end of the lease, the elevator gets replaced. So the conclusion at the lease uh contract, you essentially get a newly

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refurbished building. The benefits of selling TWWB there there's a real value beyond the cash price. The sale of TWWB would more than cover could cover the lease debt provided and provided the muchneeded

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funds to cover the firehouse project. There's potential in your lease negotiate or the sale negotiations to have the buyer contribute to the lease fund for a period of time. Say there's a five-year value that you know the sales

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price plus X. So you're not paying rent for the first five years. As I already discussed, TWWB is an aging building. We're going to require a lot of preventive maintenance in this building. What would happen if something

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catastrophic happens to this building? Then then where does the town hall work out of tax generation? Uh if if TWWB is sold, it's now under tax rules. We're getting tax dollars for it.

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Protect the buyers by eliminating the capital liabilities, utilities, and insurance, and major repairs. What do we lose? An auditorium? No, we don't. We have them at Green Meadows. Do we lose fields? No, we don't. We have

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fields at Green Meadows. we have the the park the funds from the sale of TWW TWWB can be used to expand upon those thirdly depending on the private partners if there's more than one the land behind the Polish National Credit

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Union could be purchased and could be used for fields so there's there's many options uh but I I ask you to keep have an open mind um and I'm happy to answer any questions

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you may have. >> Go ahead, John. >> No, >> no, I I have questions of the last town meeting. So, my >> Did I answer your questions? >> You did. I did. You did. >> Paul, thank you for putting this together. I mean, obviously, you know,

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people have different opinions about some of the things here, but I think it's a uh it's a nicely thought out thing. I might I might. Um, so you're saying that potentially the town hall would be rebuilt into a structure that would house the town

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officers, >> correct? >> And you think it would be large enough to hold the town offices plus the library? >> I do. >> And not in I mean parking was pretty small when we were there. many people

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went during events and saw no parking available for library events, etc. So, that might be a thing. Um, I might disagree on the auditorium thing, having, you know, worked quite a bit in both schools that those of us who are

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familiar with town meetings in the past five, six, seven years, especially with school issues, would know that sometimes we would have two, 300 people show up. And those of us who are familiar with Green Meadows know that that would be an enormous size to fit in the gym area at

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uh Green Meadows if that's the area you're talking about, the gym. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Y um >> you could use the church on Allen Street. I know you said last time we used that during CO, but >> we did, but that's not a guarantee. I mean, that's that was to the grace of church. Hey, I think any any church

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>> um and the meetings took longer just because the chairs were so much nicer there. tell me he's here in those plastic chairs. They go pretty quick because people those chairs aren't great. They weren't great when I was here and they're still not great. Um and the

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field thing. So I'm not quite sure about the the land behind is that the former storage unit land. >> Yep. Still >> that would be some incredible increase in traffic if that was the fields for town games and stuff. >> There goes the hometown charact.

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>> I don't know. But look, investigating more options never hurts. You throw things out there because there's no rule to it. Let's look at everything. You know, I was the old thing about cooking spaghetti. Throw it on the wall and see what sticks. I I got a I got a question.

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Maybe Brian, you know this about the prevailing wage. >> Yeah. If a private person if it's going to be end to be a municipal use does a prevailing wage still prevail do they still have to is there a look back is there a loop look back type thing you

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know basically get sold to a private >> so so there's there there's been a couple cases similar to this and and the the determining factor whether even if it's a so what can't happen is a municipality can't sell a piece of property to to a

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developer with the intent that the developer develop it without prevailing wage and then sell it back to the town case law. >> So there there's yes there's there's been there's been cases on it. So they they tend to they tend to look at the intent of the parties. Is there a limit

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in time like if it took longer than x number of years? >> In the case I know about they they looked at the intent there there was I think there was clear intent that >> this was a this was a development arrangement >> subdiv that wage would that situation.

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>> Oh so it would be something we'd have to look >> know if they said look after three years we found no private we couldn't make a money on oh the town wanted to buy it. >> I mean I think they decided on the fact on the facts of that case. Okay. >> That was the intention was to >> Yeah. From the get- go.

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>> Yeah. Was was to was to have it be redeveloped. >> Okay. >> Um can I ask one question? >> If um if something like this were to happen, what's the um what would be the timeline? What would be the time frame? Um >> start to finish

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>> abruptly like like if if the board said yes, let's do this at the fall town meeting in October. When when would the town offices be able to move back in? Like what's and how long would the lease be? >> I'd say a year

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>> to turn around. >> Yeah. >> You know, maybe maybe 16 months, right? Uh and as far as the lease, that would be negotiated. You know, as a landlord, obviously the longer the lease, the more the landlord's making,

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right? But I'll put my resident hat on and I would I'd have I'd structure it. I' it'd have to pencil out. It'd have to work for both. And I'd certainly have a by a buyout clause in there. >> You know, the goal is get the town hall,

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you know, get the town offices back on Main Street. >> My opinion. >> My one question is first you got to find a private party. That's not going to be >> I can give you two right now. Would you like them?

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>> Yeah. Yeah. What? >> West mass >> and then the letter that this paper's written on. >> Oh, okay. So, so it's an option. >> Mhm. >> Okay.

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Go to number three. We're >> in charge. Thanks, Paul. Um, so the other motion was to recommend the select board investigate development relationship between the fire department building project in the old town hall.

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And I think that was your concept was you combine you put the two. Well, we we we talked about this at the last meeting, but basically the idea would have been that >> we we demolish most of what what's up

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there now, >> leave just the front. >> And when I say facade, my my um idea of a facade is >> just the entry. >> It's not the whole building or the whole back of the building. Mine is >> auditorium basically the door >> where it says not even not even the

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auditorium. just as a just as an homage to the people who wanted to keep in part of the building. That's the only reason you do that. >> Well, I saw that part because I mean that's the part that goes like this and then the the wing in the back I thought was the variable. >> Yeah. >> Like you took that down then you build what's available

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>> then you put you put a brand new firehouse there and now you've got firehouse one at sessions corner. So you know you could do it like that in my own mind. I don't know why you're trying to jigsaw a a building into the

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space up above it when you have you could have this whole acre down below. That that's just my thought. And I said to you last week, you have two projects. You have a project for the firehouse that's 678 million. >> You have a project if we were going to rehab the building 78 million 10

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million. But if you if you tear it down, we know that number is less than a million. It's 750 800,000. So you tear it down and you start over with a clean slate and you build the firehouse. So you've you've you've solved the what to do with the

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old townhouse problem and you've solved the firehouse problem. >> But you but you've increased the cost conser. >> Well, I don't know that >> building a firehouse from scratch. >> If you were now you have the old building. >> If you were to tackle both projects, you're $15 million, right? You need to

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>> rehab and and you still have the old building. That's not even taking out the old >> That's rehabing the old building. >> No, I'm saying No, I'm saying you say we're going to tear down the town hall. >> Yep. >> Maybe build a new firehouse that has a facade that looks like the old town hall. You're going to build a new station there for 15 million.

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>> No, I don't think it's that much. Somebody's got to prove me wrong. >> It was 10. I mean, >> no, I don't even think it's 10. Guy said it was 10. >> The guy said it was 10, but nobody's showed anybody a hunk of paper. They've broken it down. I have paper. I have I have

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>> I have quotes >> for6 million for a for a 10,000 foot 4 bay firehouse. >> Mhm. >> I now I I've talked to the guy from Butler. I'm I'm just some guy, but somebody should prove me wrong. You can't just sit in a room and say it's

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going to be 10 million or it's going to be 12 million without without >> it's constructed with pre prevailing wage. >> Yep. I think the thing from a taxpayer perspective is now we have two projects that are ab budding that are let's seven million each just round it right 7

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million each so that's $14 million in work and you still have the two old buildings if you were to take and do what they did at MGM and you have the facades right we've all been by that you have the facade they kept at the old bank in the front >> sure >> you stand keep those two walls standing

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and then you build the entire fire station behind that the fire station gets, you know, state-of-the-art building, everything they're looking for, but you also then have solved the problem where you're going to do the whole townhouse. You can put additional space in there for the town, whether it's the civic spaces or whatever, like

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like that. >> What you don't like that idea, >> you're never going to get enough room. >> Well, going that route is you're doing two separate projects that have not even been voted for. But the town the the fire department has been voted approved

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by town vote of 8.3 million or whatever that is to do this project. So that's saying that the residents are going to be like, "Hey, let's take out another $7 million and let's put it in there." This is kind of going back to work. >> I'm saying you can do that for less because at some point we are going to have to vote on doing something with the

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townhouse. >> Right. Right. Right. >> To my point, that's where we have I I see what we see. But we're hoping if we look at the overall fiser like Joe was saying, >> yeah, >> that would be a minimal cost to the town because the public the private

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partnership would incur the cost to it and then either get private things in it or lease back to the town for necessary space. You look at the growth in East Lmetto, they outgrew their town hall and had to buy the building down on North

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Main Street for an enormous cost. >> Yeah, >> it was still is a bad plan for East L. Now they got two town halls a mile apart. You're talking about something that at least have vision for a future. >> Yeah. >> I'm saying you could take those two projects that at some point if we're

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going to end up having a river that built you the the fire station. You have two seven 8 million projects. Could you do that for 12 million instead of 14? >> Yeah, but it's it's it's not it's to rehab the old town hall rehab. That

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number is closer to 10 million. >> Got it. >> Firehouse is closer to eight million. So you're looking at $18 million versus 13 million. >> People are making up numbers. >> I mean, the fire, they're right behind us. But I'm pretty sure we're going to use every bit of that$ 8.3 million on

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this fire. The current project we're using it all. >> So that's that. That's that's a number that was building building and building house stuff. Here's the thing. We knocked down the old town building. Leave the facade. And I'm gonna tell you right now, the facade's not in good shape. >> You knock it down, it may fall over on

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its own. But >> Right. Exactly. So the other thing is, so now we take the back of the town hall off and we put our fire station there. >> Okay. The problem is how much money do we have to play with with with the fire station right now? 8.4. You said

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>> roughly. Well, less. Well, I'm going to tell you right now, and I'm not I'm not guessing, but I'm I'm estimating that it's it's going to be more than $8.40 million. So, now you got to go back to the town and have another two or three million to finish the project.

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>> You have and we're spitballing here. You have a number to tear down. Say you leave the facade. So, now your tear down is less than a million. It's $600,000 because you're making part of it, but you still have the asbestous abatement that doesn't go away. Then you have to build a building there.

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>> You got to fill in the 8.3. We've already spent some to the architect, right? >> Yeah. >> So that number is now seven something. So then you just spent something. Tear the building out. So for six something, you're into your number there. Oh, I can

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build a fire station for 6 million on that property. Then we got the old fire station. What do we do with that? That's going to come down probably in a million dollar range as well. >> Well, you could you could you could sell that building to subcontractor. You could keep it and keep the bays. You

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could do any number. >> We're kind of in the same keeping we're doing the same thing we're doing with the old town hall. We're keeping it. It's just I guess the point is I guess the point I'm trying to make in this whole the whole thing is that our taxes are not going down anytime soon. And the big town hall town halls project is just

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going to drive them up even higher. So if you're looking at, you know, 6 7 800, you know, $8,000 a year, you're looking at 10, 12, 14,000, 5, 6, 7, 8 years down the road if we keep these big grandiose projects, I guess, is my point. And I don't know if people want that. If you want that, then go for it and that's who

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you want. I don't want that. Um, I want to keep my taxes manageable. So, we have to be fiscally responsible. >> So, and I'm all for doing whatever. But I also think >> I've asked for somebody to prove me wrong. And if I'm if I'm wrong about the six or seven million, I'll shut I also think it's 12 or 14 million to build a

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firehouse. I'm I'm done. And that doesn't make any sense. But if it's much less than that, it does make sense. You do both projects, you solve both problems for less than 8 million. >> But also think custom construction saving the facade. Well, a great idea. I think that's so much more money than

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>> Yeah, that might it might cost more money to leave it and and keep it there. >> Try and have somebody shore that up. >> You can take some stones. >> Guarantee they're going to keep that. It's going to be tough. >> Keep in mind do something like that. I don't know say well my Mrs. >> part of the survey that was done

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overwhelming feedback from the town was to keep the town hall and rebuild it. So the town people are for spending the $8 million. >> That was a very I well I I don't

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necessarily 100% agree. >> They want to keep the expensive >> they want to keep it. They want to pay for it. But how many but also how many people were actually voters versus how many people actually took the survey to there's never a dollar amount. It was

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it was a tough it's a tough one. So yeah, it's just, you know, I mean, all for keeping the small town feel, no doubt about it, but we have to we're not in we're not in economic windfall here where we, you know, we have, you know, that's >> Is there that beautiful point in between

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the town hall when it existed there was too small for our operation? Clearly too small. The parking lot was always jammed. Here we're in a space that yes, it's probably bigger than what we need. >> John, but hearing hearing that as a

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resident, you're just your mind is made up, >> right? >> Now, as a resident, excuse me, let me take my board hat off and put on my resident hat. >> Why present anything? >> Your mind's made up. You made the right decision. >> I was explaining what the old town hall

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was. It was too small on that footprint with the library, etc. Many of us have gone there and found the parking lot choked with cars. So, did a change need to be done either expanding the building or moving it need to be done? Yes, it did. And that was the rationale for the

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board. We went to tying bond. What would it take to bring it up the code? They went through ADA and everything. We all know those regulations for it's worse for a public building than it is for a private building. you know, you're in private, you know, you don't have to do the things that municipalities have to

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do for some of their buildings. So, that part had that decision had to be made. Where do we go forward? Our mind is not made up. We appreciate I think some of the things you're talking about here, especially Joe's idea, bear investigating. You know, there's

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potential there. So, if I if it came across the way Paul, I apologize. >> Thank you. Yes. Okay. I'd like to make a comment on the fire department briefly. The fire department takes those parking spaces.

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It significantly devalues the building and that puts a significant burden on the people in the town. So emerging to consider the rest of the town in your deliberations, especially parking.

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Can I add to that? I'm >> done. Yeah. All right. >> And this is just a followup. I had sent an email last week and I'm just thinking about the whole process, right? And I'm looking at the land of the existing fire station and the DPW. And for me, it

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looks like it connects. And you had referenced, John, at one point that drive-through bays was a desire. It's easier. >> Yeah. And I agree with that. Mhm. >> Here's the crazy part. I don't know what's involved or the cost associated

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with moving the salt storage to the other side of the DT DPW lot, but if you were to move that salt storage, and if I'm correct in my assumption that these two parcels connect, you could drive through from North North Road straight

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through and use the and the fire trucks can exit onto Main Street using the DT DPW road, which a gets you your drive-through bays. B doesn't uh require you to have a fifth bay which

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will save the parking at the old town hall and C eliminates the safety concerns that were raised at the last meeting by having the trucks exit at the north road and having them exit out the main street. But this is a guy at a desk looking at a plan and I don't know if it

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fits, works, what have you. I'm just throwing it out there. It may be something that you want to look at as well. the salt unfortunately because we put the three bays on to the west of the highway department. The side set back to the next lot is probably 20 ft. So

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there's no room to the west of the building and relocating the salt shed. I think that was probably 50,000 when we built it >> 35 years ago. So I imagine what it is now. >> Trust you to buy it. >> The big round thing you see him under exactly what it is. Yeah. No, >> I still think

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that doesn't need to be done. I think in my mind, I go by East Lo all the time. Drive-thru. And I've spoken to the other thing is that we all have opinions. I don't know why the building can't be brought forward 15 ft level with the other building,

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another lane to the right, to the north of the building, turns around. Yes, you can pick up a little land from the highway department for the turnaround part because they bring a good point. Those buildings don't those apparatus don't turn on a dime. So, you need more

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land and back to turn around and drive through. Parking that takes away from the parking for the responders. That's an issue. Maybe we need to be creative about what's in front. Obviously, there's more parking in front of the old building, etc. But

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now we're going way off topic like kind of like a round table and now we're going to touch on laughing but bridge later if you all want to get into that. Thank you. >> All right. Next one is motion to recommend the select board investigate the town keeps title to the property

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pursues a civic mixeduse or multi- municipal future for the site. >> I almost see that as similar to Joe's thing. We're keeping the title and our options open. That's kind of like motion one. Yeah. Yeah. >> And motion d to recommend the select board investigate demolishing the

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building and building a park on the property. >> Why they make that motion? >> Personally, looking at me personally, I'm against that because I go back to where the town has very little property. >> We got enough parks already. >> I'm against it.

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>> What about the mileage? We have we have enough parks, but >> it was brought up by a number of town regiments here >> that if you want to take your grandkids to the spray park >> during the summer, you can only do it between 9 after 3:00 in the afternoon

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>> because from 9:00 in the morning till 3:00 all taken up camp >> by the camp. >> Okay. So >> yeah, >> part of making that park in that space was a park for town residents to use.

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>> I hate to say, but they can also use Green Meadows. It's closed during the summer. They got two great playgrounds that have been paid for by CPA and whatever. I take my grandchildren there. >> They have two great >> No, we can do that. >> Anybody can. It's property after school's closed >> during July and August.

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>> Great. talking about the spray bus >> spray when the spray park is operational sorry when camp is operational that's the six weeks during the summer certainly the school was closed that point use them the rest of the time it's wide open I'm saying it's a piece of

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town property that has value to it and making a park out of it throws away the value of the property and Joe talks about the value we have there that we can capitalize on that value plus other values to make an

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impact in our budget. And I think making a part of it takes a big piece away from the potential value. Am I wrong or right? >> I didn't you all these ideas. It was never >> take that one. That's just your you know

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we're I'm personally not a fan of it. >> Take take it off >> now. You could demolish it. Sell it or you could just sell it. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. >> I mean, we could sell the building and property, you know, >> popular demand. I know, but >> maybe Paul knows an oper somebody says, you know what,

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>> the only thing out of it, >> revitalize it and they'll lease it to whoever is willing to pay the money >> and it might have a value in that point >> and they can do it for regular wage instead of prevailing wage because they're going to make a profit. else. I

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also think that selling it even it may take six months a year, may take two years, but at least it's on the market >> and we we could get lucky. >> I don't know if the right thing here and this goes back to Joe's original motion. >> And I hate to go say it, but kicking the

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can down the road to allow for more >> I thought he switched. switch >> investigation of Paul's option, Joe's option, the other options say that you know is there a larger picture that can be used here? I think that I think

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within 30 days we could if I think in 30 days I don't know if the committee is going to let me say that but I think we could put something together in 30 days if if we if we just did it let alone bringing in

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a full economic council which I'd like to do because I think you should have a lawyer on there an accountant on there a financier on there some people that have done these deals on there I mean that's But I think getting it conceptually, a

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framework conceptually, I think it would take probably less than 30 days a week. >> You're talking about selling. >> No, I'm talking about putting a plan together. >> I jumped ahead. >> Well, okay. Let's let's let's go through the timeline then, if you will. We have town meeting at the end of at October.

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We've talked about when we hope to have the warn close to that town meeting, which is typically the free cash, doing capital things, etc. And that would be probably the beginning of September at the latest to give us the full two months. That gives you all two more

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months before we need to put something in the warrant for a recommendation. >> Well, we got a summer schedule. We haven't made our summer schedule. >> I thought you thought your meetings were going to be at on the week. >> Didn't you have a retreat schedule in

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Arthur's Vineyard for next week or something? We could pull we have three months to kind of figure out where >> two more months. Two more months. You have July and August. If you want if you want more time, Joe, and the committee feels that way. >> We don't need something hard and fast.

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>> What do you think? >> We still giving you five or six options for you to consider. So, you still need to forge forward on that, I believe. No, I'm thinking no because I I think Joe's asking to flush out a couple of these options here >> rather than just take them as a oneline

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idea. Here's an option with a plan behind it. >> And even if it's maybe another option talking about I'd like to investigate some numbers in another option as well. But what's the committee feel? >> I mean, you want the best value.

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>> Anyone's on this list that you you would like us to remove? or you feel like >> Well, I'm personally against the park one, but I don't know. Eric, is there anyone jumps out of you? >> Um, I think just remove the park part on that one. I don't think we need another

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park in town like we have enough recreation. We're going to be dos coming up. There's a lot of there's a lot of conservation. I don't think we need to do that. >> I do agree, but I do have a question. If I understood you correctly, and this goes back to the Cumberland Farms, and

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it ties into Joe's uh district, Cumberland Farms, if you were to take it by eminent domain, it has to be for town use. >> That's my Is that what I heard? >> That's my understanding. Yes. >> Would the town want to embark on outdoor pickle ball courts? >> It has to have a public purpose.

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>> Outdoor pickle ball courts. >> I love that. >> Town owned. >> No. >> For the residents of Hampton. revenue generating for those outside of >> Hampton. >> I want to make it an energy generating station. >> Let people run around the car.

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>> As long as there's some revenue to it. I don't and I said this before, there's very little offset to the taxes you and I pay for, you know, our houses and to take land away from the business district with a potential for offset is

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not something I think is a great idea. How long? >> That's my point. Well, Eric is right. I know five ten people that so many people get >> and they won't answer the phone or they tell them, "Oh, we because it's a right."

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>> And now Cumberlands is owned by that English firm, I believe, right? Whatever it is. >> So, maybe and I think you brought it up before maybe if the town condemns it, that puts more of an onus on them. Okay.

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Now, there's no write-off value to it because it has no value. And I know you're like you say that that piece right there. First of all, you have it's going to be a welcoming area for the recreation part of this overlay

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district. And it's got to generate power. It's got to generate power from in the ground, on the street, from the sun, from the river. I know there's some about how we got to get energy from the river because we have to get the army corps of civil engineers, but that goes

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into what we talked about with the fire department and giving them more access to water on the river. Even if we have to do it ourselves and take and and and take the criticism from them, say it's a public service initiative it's it's an emergency. We got to fix some of these

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couple of the dams at least to give them some more water to get at. You mean without the the consent of the >> I will tell you the state no the state's pretty big put your name on >> I'll be fine with you >> the state's pretty big on getting rid of dams right >> they have been

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>> get rid of them they're getting so to put dams in >> we were looking at these ideas they don't >> they don't sound biting very nice >> so are you guys going to take that we're going to have four when we leave here tonight right you're going to take that

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last one off the Not the sell the building. I think we should leave the purpose. >> He's saying take the build a park. >> Yeah. I'm talking about the demo and build a park would come off the list that we set. >> What do you think? >> Is that is that right? >> No, just the park. >> I think you're going to demo it.

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>> Yeah. >> What do you demo and sell is >> demo and sell? Demo. I mean >> or unless somebody else has other some >> demo. You can make a park. You can sell it. You >> Well, that's that's kind of my last option. We're going to demo and sell it. we might as well see who wants to buy it

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first so we don't have to pay it and if somebody wants to buy it for $10 >> so we leave it on there >> there you go and that cost a customer we make $10 on a property >> as an option >> price would plant the post outside and see if somebody buys it in a year and then make a decision

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>> for sale >> we could >> put it for sale >> now >> I'm seriously you could do it now >> somebody might come by somebody knows Joe ball whatever and say you know what under the grand you'd have to be thinking about what your number

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>> people take buildings like that >> they don't have 10 grand whatever I don't know about that but >> you might know it wasn't sure if we got the dollar we had to pay the dollar sign up front >> well he said a dollar >> yeah didn't say we might have to pay

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somebody dollar to take it >> well that's the Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> So, are we saying we like your idea? Is the committee saying that they think what Joe was talking about is worthy of

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more explor exploration by the committee. >> Paul and Paul as well. >> Yeah. >> I just Yeah. Your idea. Well, yours was more of a separate committee thing, but I think >> there we go. the idea of like like to

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explore the public private partnership rebuild thing and come back with some concrete numbers might take a little more time and give us a better thought for our decision. We don't need a concrete plan for the town meeting until the beginning of September and I mean

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Labor Day basically. >> Okay. >> Right. >> And I have one follow question. In your opinion, what would be the uh the asking price for this this site if that option were to be voted in? >> We'd have to get a fair market

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assessment on it, I think. >> Right. >> Without knowing. >> I think you'd have to ask the moon. >> You'd have to ask a lot like 10 to get an unfair >> I don't think valuation like 30 million. >> That's right. I think you need to be at a$2 or $30 million if you're actually

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going to go down that road. And I I don't think it's a bad idea, but if you if you're going to do that, you're going to need a lot of money in your pocket to do the stuff that you need to do once we're out of here. Buy some building or buy some some land and turn it into parks, put a put a park and wreck little building up and need some cash. And if you're going to unload it for 10

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million, that's just what it's worth. You want somebody to come that really wants it bad. 30 million. >> Now, who's to say that you do this deal for 30 million and that the town for the town is part of the deal? that Tom becomes part of the next the next piece of the deal.

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>> Anyway, I done I think I'll be dead. >> Thank you. >> Joel, >> thanks. >> Talk to you later. >> Thank you. >> We're gonna get you. We're going to get you a committee.

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>> No, no, no. Go. You should listen to >> Yeah. >> Make that motion. I'll >> have patience. >> Go back. Put the cookies. >> Go get the cookie. Lauren, where are the cookies? >> How many people online?

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Hi, >> the science elite. >> How you doing? >> It's good. >> Great. Well, thanks for coming by. >> Do you have the plans? >> So, >> I have anything for

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>> you tell us what you'd like. >> All right. The last time you we talked about doing four bays and we talked about using the If you can Can you get that up there? Talk about four or five bays.

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You want the fiveday one? >> Yes, please. >> Mark just had sent a new one. How about I use that one? >> No. No. I don't want the I don't want >> Is it the same one? >> Ex You got the existing. You got Do you have the >> There was one that had existing.

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>> Do you have the one with the cars in it that the >> That was something I said a couple weeks ago. Last one. Yeah. How come that's so How come that's so much money? >> Want the existing one? >> Yeah.

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>> First one, >> right? Okay, that's the existing one. Okay. And now my my question was this. I asked about if you could do it if you could use that farther north bay and the the discussion was no we can't do that

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because we need to keep all the apparatus and the and the farmat equipment and all that together for for you know for the guys safety that can get to the cars best and then after I looked at the fifth bay the fifth bay has the antique fire department car in there the antique fire truck in there

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but that's not going to any fire or >> if it is we're really hurt right I It's not an antique. It's an old truck. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's an old truck. It's not going anywhere except with Mr. Mrs. Claus on it. >> Right.

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>> Okay. So, then I thought, well, why can't we keep the antique truck or the old truck where it is now >> and I can see I think the chief's tire in there where rescue one is. >> It's outside right there. Car car one's

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outside, right? >> What's this? What's the one's outside now? Right. >> Yeah. There's no real There's no room for >> Right. But on the on the five bay plan, you're putting you're putting it in. >> What? >> Go to Can you show the five bay? >> The other car goes inside and the five

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bay plant. >> Yes. Yes. Showing it inside. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So, I'm thinking, can you put the antique of the old truck >> and the chief's car in that further north bay that you have now? Right. and

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then take off the fifth bay which will be four new bays and everything else in in there would be the you know >> what was the purpose of the old top bay that couldn't be used for car storage basically if you left that as vehicle

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storage what are you losing in the rehab plan right it was going to be yeah for something >> I yeah so we're losing um an area for the utilities to go for the for the building So things like sprinkler valve and all that kind of stuff, >> right? But I mean, we're only putting

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two things, ant. So you still got half the thing available >> in storage uh in the firefighters gymnasium. That was all going along what you see now is where the antique, F1, and rescue one are now. So that the over

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where the antique is, that's going to be where utilities are. >> Okay. Um the next spot where F1 is kind of roughly is the uh the firefighters gymnasium and where rescue one is now is storage. >> You can't put all that in

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B1, E1, and T1. >> Well, that's all the trend. But I think you're right though. Ant would be if you had up front car and ant now is unused because you're only putting two vehicles where three are now. >> And you're right, the utilities is

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number one. The gym you could make you have three people there. Do they need a gym? And then the storage part, maybe you have more storage. The training room, which is the two apparatus things in the middle, maybe

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that becomes a multiflo thing because you have a high bay, but when it's training room, maybe you build storage above it. >> And I just want to throw something out. this month is we're losing sight of the fact by moving all the vehicles to one area, we're also moving our exhaust

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removal system all to one area. We keep vehicles right there, then that sort of negates the whole >> Yeah, but you're not using the anti cheese car. I mean, again, just keeping the vehicles. >> Well, you have an >> Yeah, but it's not running like a firetruck is, you know, you drive in, you drive out. I'm like,

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>> it's a like a garage. >> Like a garage. >> Yeah. Um, >> it gives away I mean that's that's where a lot of parking was going to go for visitor parking and extra parking not only for the fire in the front >> of that building >> in front of building because there's not going to be any more garage bays there.

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We're really strapped for parking. So that's a part where parking was going to go. >> Could we >> Okay, but they could park it. The amount of times things are going in and out is pretty slim. you know, just I mean, you're not taking the antique car. That thing is going to

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sit in there. >> So, I I hear you. I hear you loudly clear. I understand what you're trying to do. You've got two opposing, right? And >> there's a balance here somewhere. >> I've been there. I I've shared shared the seat. I get it. I really do. >> I do believe though that what we're

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proposing here is what would best serve the town, not just now, but into the future. And I I believe that any detraction from that is just that, a detraction from that. And it it won't serve the town. We're dumping a lot of money into this in hopes that it's going

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to serve the town for a very long time. Yes. Could we make that work for now? Absolutely. What happens when they get the new tanker that hopefully they're going to get through grant applications and stuff? Where do we put it now? We're so we didn't plan on that. >> You put in You're put in You're making

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the four bays. You're planning on for the four bays, aren't you? One of one of those. Could could we just go to the the five pay diagram that we sent in and I maybe have a thought process on your parking issue and >> I also go back to there you're right there is a compromise thing and you know

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how we also feel about the drive-thru thing but maybe four bays we don't push the drive-thru thing as much and okay fine the parking stays in back and we can't make everybody happy but we can make a solution that protects the town

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and protects the options for the other property, we think. >> So I Okay. >> You know, >> I get what you're saying. I And and I think at the end of the day, what we're asking, are we going to get the land or aren't we? Because if we don't, then we know we got to move into a different direction,

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>> right? >> Um so from that perspective, I would ask only this. If if you're if you're not if you're reluctant to grant the land moved on there that you leave the redesign to the folks that in all due respect have

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>> more experience >> the experience in that area. >> So um the other the only other aspect of that is is is I I hate to see us cutting off our nose despite our face. Yes, I understand the

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the thought process if you're taking you know what we would say is it 12 feet away 12 and a half feet of land that it does detract. I don't think it's this huge detraction that that but >> no but 12 ft plus right away >> plus plus easement. So that's

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>> Yeah. Okay. >> You know it sounds like a lot we're going to do. Yeah. >> Just saying. Not trying to track you saying that. But it's it's on a property that we don't even know what we're going to do with yet.

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>> We do know this is a we know do know this is a project that's funded ready to go forward. In all due respect, we can't delay much longer. We're not going to have enough money to do the project at all. Um the >> delay if you listen to them and we did one of their potential things was delay

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this quite a bit because they want to investigate scrapping this plan and building the whole thing on the town hall property >> and I get that. Here's the risk and we've discussed whether that would be a potential or what not. >> The risk >> anything's a potential with enough

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money. >> Well, see that's the risk. We go to town meeting and Tom meeting says, "No, I'm sorry. We're not supporting that. Now we're out the fire station >> and they're willing to with the conditions that they have in that existing building. I think that's too

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much of a risk." Look at I'd love a perfect fire station for them. Nothing nothing would make me happier. And that's about 16 million, >> but that's more than that. >> But the the reality is if we run such a a significant risk of that never

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happening and then we're out this project >> and we're we're sitting empty with nothing. >> Yeah. Mitchell Associates um seven years ago came up with a price of $16 million. >> Right. >> That was seven years ago. >> Yeah. So that was Could we just roll that up just

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a little bit higher? Which one do you want to see the the >> I want to see the bottom >> or the plant? >> I don't think it's this one. This is the one that Mark's want to see. >> I think myself >> the last one maybe the

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>> future use of the town hall building. >> Yeah. >> Is not going to happen >> the way it is now. >> That building needs it has four levels to make it handicap accessible and meet any kind of state building code. It's going to cost millions.

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>> Well, that's what Ty Bond said. But if they're saying I hear potentially you keep the facade, which is the part like this, you rip down the wing and back and build a new structure that's properly leveled with a elevator, whatever,

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which is still going to be not free. No. >> And it's going to give you Say one thing about the four levels. They had more floor space than what you're going to be able to build there. Yeah, >> maybe you got three floors. The library is on the second floor. The third floor

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are town offices or whatever. The travel back and forth is going to be >> has no foreseeable use that building. >> It'd be difficult to work it into a town use plan >> very >> in it current in it current rather than difficult.

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>> Well, in its current configuration. >> Yes. Yes. >> For this one. >> Yes. What are we are you putting something else up? >> Yeah, the plan that we site >> redrawn.

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>> I guess what we could say, and this was the reconsideration you talked about, Don, is say right now, you know what, the property line is the property line and make it work. That could be what the board might say to you. >> Yeah. and say, "We got two we got two

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committees that need something done." And you say, "Well, it's not great, but we'll make it work." Because your job is to come up with a good fire station apparatus. >> They they they've got a good idea with

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the bays and and take any old fire station and make it into the the I'll say the offices, you know, >> training nonfire. I just think you can do it with four bays if you because you got that antique fire department in the chief's car. >> Right. >> That's all.

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>> If I might, sir. >> And I know it doesn't I know it's not going to save a lot of money, but it's going to save the that property line there. >> More options, right? >> Um the area that's in concern is from

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where it says 23 203.50. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That that width of the building. If we change our parking agreement such that we don't have a full apron right across the front of the building, putting the

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smaller bu the smaller vehicles at the end of that and the larger vehicles closer to the fire station. >> Yeah, >> we can cut spots where it says 325 grade level. We could cut parking spots probably more

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than we're going to take into that grassy area. >> I'm not okay. >> Yeah, I'm sorry about that. >> Yeah, use the laser. Okay. >> Right here. >> Yeah, >> we're taking spots here. How about if we

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end up putting those spots here? You can't though because that's where the trucks are driving. >> If we put the smaller trucks there that can >> do it at an angle. Uh >> no, they're rolling out. They don't want to like have to worry about turning.

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>> I I think solves both parties. >> Yeah. But also we got the thing which we heard from Wendell same type of thing because if we're talking about separating there's more setback in the thing than there would be with a common municipal use. Now, if we were marketing

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off the other property, it's got to go to the real setback, if you will, where before it could have been the setback back in the 50s, 30s when it was built was a lot different for the townhouse park. So,

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and I think where you're talking and you bring up a point, you know, if the top northern part leaving that upper bay still there, well, potentially a car could be in front of it. Yes. But it's the chief's car that okay, somebody has to move their

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car. The chief's car is rolling out. Not zoom out like the like E1 going out or the brush truck running out. Um the antiques now running out. You know, if you're taking that out for a fire, we're in trouble. >> I'm just saying. So

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>> yeah, and I know the probably shouldn't even be drawn in there. I don't >> think I that's not >> that's not the is not driving our decision to to bring to you the recommendation of the five bay garage >> and I got that but we're saying

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>> get and out of the board saying this but we're at we're close to the point look we got to get off the dime here and we don't want to keep you all we need a decision you are like saying look we brought you everything what do you want us to do and are we saying look leave

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the line where it is, make it fit on your property with the money you have. >> Last week, >> what changed from last week? >> The fact that I think we're losing the ability to have good options with the other property

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>> and if we do this for myself, when I saw the antique fire truck there, I thought, well, they don't need that in that new bay. They can keep it up there. They never use it. Just >> Mrs. Claus. >> Yeah. They can store it at their house.

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>> Can they store it at their house? >> Right. Yeah. >> Did they look at that? Right. Now that's four bays, two two deep, right? >> Yeah. >> Did they look at four bays, three deep? >> It's We talked about that. And the question is with a non-drive thing, the

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three deep is not a good idea because you got to move things to get them out. Is that what I understand? >> We lose the parking. >> Right. In the park, the parking in the rear was the real problem. That would give you parking on the south side where the fourth bay would be. You could put some parking there.

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>> Even though it's right at the property line, you could make your drive through. You could have four drive-thrus. >> Yeah. But you wouldn't have any parking. >> So, so >> the park think here's here's a thing we're forgetting about too is we're losing square footage

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and some of the storage in that fire department is for our SCP CPA cascade machine. are, you know, all the storage on that back wall. So, if you're shrinking it, we've already shrunk it. It was 100 ft. We shrunk it down. So, if

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as we keep shrinking and moving it over to four bays, we just lost another 20 ft of the back wall. >> Added storage. No, add it back in because you have that if you're talking, you're not opening up the back for whatever. You have storage at the back.

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You have 12 ft to the front of the fire station from the doors you have now. Pull it out. And now you've opened up all the storage behind the trucks. >> And then if we >> right >> if we get a second tanker then um we used to have two tankers. We talked

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about this. And we get a second tanker >> where we supposed >> you have more depth. you more change the storage and you've now got longer bays that perhaps can >> then we have to then we have to move more apparat into that bay. >> But by time you come up with we're

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getting a second tanker. You're not getting a tanker in two weeks based on the trucks we've gotten lately. It takes a year to get a buildout tanker like that. By that time we'll figure something else out. But right now we have this thing. It's good to look to

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the future, but we got to get off the dime before prices go through the roof. >> Is is the issue the parking spot or the easement to go through? >> I think it's everything altogether. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's just everything altogether. >> But the easement's driving it more than

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the fifth bay. If we were doing this and it didn't interfere with the timeline, it's not the fifth bay. It's just where the fifth bay is landing issue. I think that some of it would be and I think the appropriate use of the fifth bay also is a thing but it wouldn't matter as much >> but right now

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>> it's diminishing the value of the other property and with their setback requirements it's going to make the other property >> worth nothing more than a park >> addition new drawing >> to two 40,000 square foot lots comes out

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>> when that sliver >> right a swing >> are those trees along the left side up there. >> That's the highway department. Huge fines between the fire department's property or or the DPW property.

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>> Half and half. It looks like >> Yeah, I can see the line. >> Does that interfering with your drive-thru base all the >> Well, I think the biggest problem is, and this goes back to your point before about doing the turning thing, the biggest problem is the salt shed. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, you're not moving that salt

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shed easily, >> right? You need far more space in back there to properly speak. >> If this all kid was 100t to the west, >> you'd be talking differently. >> That's that's again if you even if you even if the room was there, we'd be losing all the parking.

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>> True. But it' be a bigger less of an issue than you're not driving around the sh, right? Yeah. here here about the dimension. >> If we look to go to the north side >> and put that where we originally planned

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and dealt with that driveway and everything else, that is far more costly than the diminishing the property spots were taken. >> Yeah, >> that's that's a financial oneway driveway on that side. Mhm.

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>> But once you widen it, so you have two, we're well into that bank. We're into their driveway. >> No one has even spoken to the neighbors yet. And what kind of can of beans are we opening there?

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>> We talk about the uh Bernie Clark house. >> Part of the original original plan, right? Yes. Go. >> Right. And then we looked at the cost and the cost was so prohibitive. >> Yes. I think we changed the driver they drive through the highway department and go to the house that way. >> Yeah.

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>> Well, I I understand the board's position. I I I don't share that position obviously, but um I understand your position. I think it's cutting off our nose despite our face. >> Absolutely. That's going to end up just like East Long Meadow did when they cut

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that bay in half for money reasons and it's been a nightmare ever since. >> There's no use to it. >> Yeah. They got four bays over there and they're running an ambulance in those bays, too. >> And we're not. >> They have They have drive around though. So So you see four and >> they have make my argument for drive.

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>> They have hydrants, though. >> That's like the the the committee the other night mentioned, well, we get shorter trucks like New York and Chicago. Those trucks carry 500 gallons of water just to get the pump going when they're hooked to a hydrant and everything. >> Right. Yeah. >> So we're not ever going to be in that luxury.

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>> No. Nobody cares. >> Yeah. But isn't isn't isn't most of these calls mutual aid anyhow in all these places. >> It takes time. >> It is, but we still have to set up if it's a structure fire, we still have to set up our fill site, which requires a piece of apparatus at the fill site to get the water down anchors and then a

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truck at the end of the driveway to suck out of the portable tanks and provide it up to the other truck. So, it's a lot more work, a lot more manpower, a lot more equipment and time. And yes, mutually can come at a, you know, >> I think I think we we talk about the

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view. I think in the future that all these towns are going to be regionalized fire districts like they have done like they have most of the other country now and get maybe an engine with two people on it, you know. So that's the

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staffing levels, you know. Everybody else is is uh providing ambulance coverage, so they only have like two firefighters that send an engine. So >> what was that again? I'm sorry. A lot of other towns like Isa metalham provide ambulance service. So when we call

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mutual aid, we'll probably more than likely get two firefighters on an engine coming to Hampton. So you know, we'll go out and we're loading up our truck as best as possible, filling it, going out to other towns. But just the thing, it's not it's

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it's the way this it's going. Just like they're calling, everybody's calling for mutual aid more. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's it's a good thing, but um you know, we want to be prepared for it as well. >> Yeah. The hard thing mostly >> all of our ambulances are busy

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>> when you have a structure fire and you're looking for water all the time. And I go back to maybe way back to CJ, you know, and it was just constant tanker truck after tanker truck from five different towns coming for that structure and that was easily accessible. And then you get to maybe

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you're up on Howland Hill, Rocka Dundy, something like that, and you're trying to stack these vehicles and get them back out again. You need, you know, some, you know, airport, you know, guy with the things going, "Okay, back up, back up, back up." You know, mutual

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aid's not everything. It causes sometimes as many problems as it solves just from, you know, coordinating. you were to slide the the building lightly to the east. >> Mhm.

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>> Which would take some of the pressure off of those parking spots. Is the easement still a deal breakaker? >> Well, I'm saying >> No, no, I'm saying extend the building to the east. I'm sorry. I'm saying extend the building to the east level

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with the front of the thing. If you have a concern for storage, you're picking up area square footage behind the vehicles because you have x number of vehicles going in each bay. And now you're going to pick up >> the 10 ft you extended to the east, you

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picked up 10 ft of storage behind the vehicle. The only problem with the depth portion deeper is that if we go by pulling our right, then we're into a whole structural capacity to hold that building up. So we don't want to go much more beyond

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80 feet >> really >> um because then you have to go to >> structural steel >> a much heavier steel >> and that's >> not like you can put lolly columns everything >> the right amount of money but for a

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little bit of space cost is >> are we at that number now we saw questions about what the actual size of the building was before it was listed as 80 by But the diagram showed less than that, I thought. Right. >> Because we shrunk it down. >> Yeah. >> That was after we we said we realized

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that that 100 ft was way too far into property. So >> I don't know if we're going to go on this all night. >> Is the board saying, "Look, we'd like you guys to come back with a plan for half the money that fits on the property you have.

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If that building you can say it and say it's not likely to happen, >> John, if that's if that building is 80 by 100 on that there. >> No, it's not. >> What is it? It's >> 80 by what is it? >> 74

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>> by 84 something like that. >> Bring up what I sent you today, Brian. The last one >> you're talking about doing this way. I asked the same thing with the whole issue. >> We have a problem. >> They can't get the They can't get them >> swing swing. They can't get the the

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trucks in the radius. >> We need that parking space. >> What parking space? >> If if we move the building forward, we'll gain more parking space. We're not really trying to do it to to have double bay building. You're saying extend extend it

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to the max you can without going to a requirement for >> heavier steel or whatever. >> If you're saying the max span with the current thing is this. I get it. >> Take it. Yeah. >> So 84 is the

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>> that's not the old. >> No, it's the new building. That's the old one. The new one. >> Slide it. Slide down so you can see the >> the number at the bottom. There you go. Yeah. No more. >> So, see the 84s >> right there on the on the side.

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>> 84 wide. >> Keep going. >> Yep. >> 84 length by 78 wide. >> All right. >> 84, >> right? So, I'm saying all I'm saying is like here, what can you make the 708, right? The length. No, what do you make

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the 72 so it doesn't incur the >> extra expense to town >> and if you're doing that and said it's 78 wide >> right but you bring this forward you take those other two out the cheap car and the antique to the other bay

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>> and now you have additional storage area in back yes this may not be the permanent type of thing we get the grant a million dollar tanker is coming to us plan B has to be implemented. Okay, that's great. We'll deal with that

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because that would be a blessing to us. But right now, if you go to four, moving those out, bringing it forward to get some additional storage there. Can that be done on the property we have now? >> Yeah. >> Anything can be done with the right money. >> Y >> is that what the board is kind of asking at this point?

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>> Yes. I'm going to keep it on the property it is now. >> Okay. I'd like to personally wise we can go right up to the line. >> I'm not sure. That's a question for Wendell. >> And Brian was getting an answer. You had talked to Wendell and Joanne, right?

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About the uh setback setback requirement. >> Yeah. No, there'll be a setback issue. They'll probably need a variance from the board. >> Well, they'll get the various >> I think I like their chances, but you know those guys. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's pretty common that municipal

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fire get a little >> get a waiver, >> right? >> I mean, the state allows it and then it's left to the local municipalities. >> Okay. >> I mean, not >> very common, >> right? It won't be >> it can't be too big, but I mean, you're going to be a lot less than the required

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35, right? Yeah. >> Anyhow, so is that the board's decision? We'd like to say we're leaving the property line the way it is and we want you to make it work out in the property >> right up to the line. >> Like to see the cost comparison. >> Okay.

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>> Personally, if it's if it's really >> minuscule then I'd like a different conversation. >> I'd like to see the cost of four cost comparison between one or the other. >> Right. >> And then see if it's really it's a significant savings then I would I would

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probably go that route. I think >> financial climate suggest nothing but um it's closed and money I know it's a different conversation we'll get some numbers for you with we we have had that conversation with the architects and that the the the cost they buy in that

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one bay is minuscule right it's just >> I understand that but it all certainly has you don't impact someone else >> I understand that but it's >> like to see it >> small amount so we'll get those numbers for you >> okay >> y meet every day until we get it done. >> Right.

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>> Right. Want to post again for tomorrow night? Back. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Uh correspondence. Nothing. I

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have nothing to report. I have nothing to report. You have anything to report? No. Good. >> No. What do you got? >> Tons of stuff. >> Really? Yes. >> Bless you. >> HVAC project here has started as

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cold air is not from the units. It's from the outside. >> Hopefully they'll be operational by the end of this week. >> Yeah, I think it'll be all 70s this week, too. Um 6:24 I have a meeting to hopefully

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finalize or bring it to a final draft charter license agreement. cable license agreement. >> Really? >> Only three years behind schedule. >> Pretty good. >> Good for us. >> No problem. >> Yeah. Um just a reminder, we have vacancies for water commissioner.

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Anybody's interested, please uh give me an email. >> Sure. >> I wanted to I want to mention it for all of the townhouse committee volunteers. We're also looking for ZBA associate members. Sure. If >> anybody's

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on planning, he can't do that. Other than that, um be working on end of year grant reporting, uh grant reimbursements, um end of year financial review, things like that. Um contracts for cemetery, the cemetery driveway project, those are

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signed. Cemetery mowing signed, trash hall contract that's been drafted and approved by the board. Um hopefully that'll be signed um within the next week because July 1 is coming fast. Upload it.

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>> Are you meeting with the the administrator Wilraham and facilities people? >> Yes. >> And when is that occurring? that is occurring

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Wednesday. >> Wednesday >> at 10 a.m. >> Okay. So, what I would like you to do is they have $105,000 in the there's two things. There's $105,000 in the in the Wilberham Middle

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School uh maintenance of a building account. Would you determine exactly what that you for before? >> Okay. >> Is that in the operating budget or >> that's in the operating budget? >> That's the amount now of the amount

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that's appropriated. >> That's the amount now. That's the amount that was passed in the town. Both towns voted on the operating budget of $105,000 in building maintenance >> for 26. >> For 27. >> Oh, so next year

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>> February 27, >> right? >> Yeah. >> They also have an account there that has no money in it on the under the Wilberham Middle School, which says extra extraordinary maintenance, but it has no money in it. And it's the

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only school that has that in there. Is that in there for a reason? Okay. You want to go to the meeting? >> What? You want to go? I know. >> The other thing too is that the last time we talked about this, we were told

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that the building maintenance money contained money for custodial supplies, that type of thing, right? That was part of that money. Well, they have a separate account in there for each school for $9,000 for custodial supplies,

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toilet paper and paper towels and stuff like that. So, I would just like to have all those things before we spend any more money on a building that we don't own. I'll repeat that. Before we spend any more money on a building we don't own.

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>> Okay, we done. How's that soccer going? You have gotten some color on you. I got to tell you, >> it was hot Saturday. >> Yeah. Motion to second. All in favor? I. Thank you. >> Thanks, guys. Oh yeah.