recording. Good evening. I'd like to call this meeting of the Camden Select Board and Board of Health to order on June 30th, 2025 in the townhouse auditorium. This meeting is being held in person in the auditorium, also broadcast on Zoom. Is
anyone recording this meeting? Kristen. Yeah. Kristen Rivers from the Hampton Time. Welcome, Kristen. I'd like you to stand for the pledge of allegiance. [Music] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. And Lauren, do we have any minutes? No. All righty.
So, first thing on is the public safety consultants. Uh, Brian, are they online? Yep. Mr. Russ Stevens is online. Good evening, gentlemen. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Yes.
Thank you for having me this evening. My name is uh Chief Russ Stevens and I'm representing public safety consultants which is a consulting company that does the search and assessment for police chiefs as well as we do assessment centers for various ranks through our
policing and fire agencies. Predominant we stay in Massachusetts. Um the Massachusetts laws and the way we our customs are a little different in Massachusetts than they are in other states. A little bit about public safety consultants. Public Safety Consultants was the company was started by Chief
Wayne Samson. Chief's the retire Wayne is the retired police chief from Shrewsbury, Mass. We've been in business for about 20 years. He started it about 20 years ago. After he retired from Shrewsbury, he was the uh director of the executive director of Mass Chiefs of Police for 10 years. He's also an
attorney and then he as well as him and a few other chiefs started up the Plymouth Cape Cod Academy. So I teamed up with Wayne about 15 years ago. I'm a seated police chief soon to retire in Hamilton, Mass. And I've been a police officer for 41 years. I started off in
Sturbridge, Mass. I then went to the Connecticut State Police, retired as the chief of staff to the colonel after 23 years. And I've been the chief in Hamilton for 16 years. Um, what we do, finding a police chief is is not an easy task. And what I mean by that is a
police chief is one of your most visible department heads in any town, especially towns of our size such as yours. And it's not only about the qualifications of the chief, it's also about the fit for the community as well. And the way we do it is the first thing we do is we
work on creating the job announcement. The job announcement itself is created. can go back and forth with the town either whoever the official is who's elected to work with us whether it's the TMTA or the chair of the board or if the
town is in HR we work with HR and we work on the job announcement the job announcement speaks to the town itself the size of your department the operational budget and the qualifications required to do the position we then push out the job announcement for approximately 30 days
one of our one The best places to push it out is through Mass Chiefs of Police. Mass Chiefs of Police has over a thousand followers throughout the Commonwealth and out of state as well. We push it out to Mass Chiefs of Police. We'll also push it out to New England police chiefs as well as uh women and
minorities and law enforcement associations throughout the Commonwealth. We'll push it out there as well. You leave it out there for about 30 days. And after 30 days, that is when you start getting the resumes in. We then look at the resumeumés and that's
the first process is uh getting your resumes in after the job announcement. The second phase is written response to essay questions. So after we get the resumes in, we look at the resumeumés. We weigh the résumés. Some of them won't meet the minimum qualifications that you
all have put in your job announcement. what you're looking for, whether it's a minimum of time served in administrative positions, you're looking for someone who has who's in an administrative capacity now, who knows how to write grants, who knows how to rearch research
grants, who knows how to do budgeting, who knows labor relations, who sat on the other side of the table, um knows contract negotiations, and can work with the board and work with the TA and or TM depending on the town. So then we we look at the job announcements. We weigh
out the job announcements and we decide who's going to move to the next phase which is written response to essay questions. So the second phase is writing. We write questions that are specific to your community, the town, the police department, and then we push
those out to the candidates who are moving forward in the process. We're not looking for English majors. We're not looking for, you know, dangling participles in in their written work. However, as a police chief, they should be able to write. There should be decent sentence structure, but it's more about
the content in the response to the questions that we ask. So, we read through those, myself and a team of chiefs. We go through those and then after that, we color the list down again to do oral board interviews. The oral board interviews are done uh we can do
those via Zoom and we do the oral board. We have a whole separate set of questions again unique to the community, unique to the town and unique to the positions being closed to you in your town. These could be budget related questions. These could be labor relations issue questions. These could be community issue questions. And then
after that, we weigh it. We have a rubing a uh grading rubrics. We wait those questions in response to those questions. And then we do an in-person assessment center um with the final candidates. The inperson assessment
center is real life scenarios that we put together that are based on real things that have happened and I work with the TM or the select board chair or the PA in your town to come up with scenarios that truly reflect your
community and then we bring all the candidates in that have made it this far. We do the in-person um assessment center in York somewhere in York community and board members are are more than welcome to watch. They can't grade but they're more than welcome to watch.
After that, we ask that the select board interview the final candidates. Now, if we end up with three or four candidates through the assessment center, we ask the select board can interview and it really is is up to the board itself whether you want to interview all four or the top two or the top three. It
really depends on the board and you're going to ask a separate set of questions. By this time, we provide updates either to the board directly or through the TA or TM as to the process, each step of the process, where we're at, how many candidates we have, um when
we're going to be done the process. So, it's a very unique process and it it's it's not necessarily done overnight. Um once we get the announcement out and get the resumes in after the closing period that we can move fairly quick after that
again normally we like to have the res we like to have the announcement out there for 30 days. Um that way everyone especially this time of year because you're entering vacation time where you have potential candidates that could be away on vacation as well. After the selectwood interviews and you
make your selection, um, you're going to have to do a psychological, a medical, and a background investigation. At the same time, you will give a conditional letter of employment, which allows you to negotiate the contract with your incoming candidate.
Um, and then it's a matter of a hiring date and a start date. I kind of went through without uh giving you guys a chance to ask questions, but I'm more than happy. Did anyone have any questions about the process? What it looks like? No, you're very thorough.
I'm sorry. No, you were very thorough explaining. Okay. Can you give me give me some recent examples of towns that you did? Sure. We uh Providence Town, East Hampton, uh Northampton.
Um we're doing Cber right now. Uh we did W we're doing Walt Deputy Chief. Um Sutton Chief, Brook Deputy Chief.
Um we've done in the last three years we've done upwards of 50 police chiefs and I'm more than happy to get you a list of all the chiefs so you can call references if you so choose. Um you can call all the references as well. Unfortunately in the in the state of
Massachusetts in the last close to five years we've had almost 250 police chiefs retire. That's a lot of cheap considering we have 351 cities and towns in the common Massachusetts. So, you know, you got to be very thorough in your process when you're
going to hire someone. So, the time frame you're talking about and also I'm not sure if you touched on uh the cost. So, the time frame we again we advertise for 30 days, right? Let's say we put it
out, we get it out the third week of July or second week of July. You're still talking sometime in August, I should be end of August, beginning of se September, maybe middle of September. It really depends how fast we get moving on it. Once you get the announcement done
and you get that out, um we can do a three-week advertisement and after three weeks, it really depends how fast you all want to get moving. after three weeks. If you if we have enough applicants, qualified applicants, you know, we can close it. We can put a
date of three weeks. It just means the applicants we have to push it hard, advertise it hard and then close it at three weeks and start the process a week earlier. On average, how on average, how many qualified applicants out of all the the places you've mentioned? Just on
average, what do you I in average you'll get roughly 16ish plus or plus or minus depending on the community. It depends. A lot of it depends on the location too. You have a beautiful community. Your
Western Mass by the Connecticut line, you'll probably attract you'll attract a lot of people from Western Mass or a certain amount of people from Western Mass, second in commands from Western Mass. You'll probably attract some people from over the line in Connecticut as well because you're so close to the line. You'll attract some people over
the line as well. So 16 maybe upwards of 20 tops right around there. It it depends on what what we make the rank. If you say lieutenants or above or if you say sergeants are above. So it really depends on where you put that cuto off. We have discussions about
that. Where you put the cut off as it pertains to rank. All right. Well, I know we'd be interested in seeing uh the list of communities that you've worked with. Absolutely. Brian, you didn't happen to have that perhaps in some submission before, did
you? Maybe they had a uh typically they have like a brochure and maybe it shows at the back. I remember this happened down manager type thing. I would imagine there was a website. Okay. I don't see. Okay. Don't. What I'll do is I'll send you a proposal and
then I'll have I'll put a list of the uh the chiefs at the chief searches we've done. I'll get that out to you. Okay. Anything else? Sorry about the fee. Well, that'll be his proposal, I think. I'll put that I'll put everything in the proposal and
I'll list the phone numbers. So, if you have if you want to call references, you're more than welcome to. Appreciate. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for your time. You're welcome. Take care, folks. Well, that was easy. What do you want? The other guy. No, he was going to He's
on vacation, right? We're going to talk about phone today, but um So, so I remember when we had the different people come in. You remember Don Collins and the other guys? They had this huge list at the back of uh the communities
they had worked with. I think it was amazing. I think both people we interviewed had the same community that they picked somebody for at one time or another. Yeah. So, um I did like when he talked about some of the
communities he's worked with recently. I you know the relevance has to be the size of the community. It can't just be like hey we picked the guy for Holio. That's great. that has nothing to do with our town. But Brian, you're more familiar with that area. I mean, East Hampton,
uh, West Hampton, they're all different. I think he's from Hamilton. I looked it up. Hamilton, 7,000 people. So, it's somewhat similar at that point. Yeah. So, and this is this is the process that
they that they run, right? Um, one alternative could be that that we do the work, we do, you know, we do one phase one, we get out the job announcement and we
advertise and um, then we would want them to do a we would still pay for the inerson assessment center and that kind of stuff. You know, I I talking with with with Chief Trombbley. It's likely that it seems like we've gotten interest from people who are local or at least within
like 40 40 minutes, 45 minutes. Um, it's not that we necessarily need a New Englandwide search to have somebody come and come into town here, but well, I think that's what we talked about before that now, do we draw the circle
and say you can't apply if you're more than 100 miles away because you can't be basically responsive enough as chief. But then they might say, well, what if I move there, right? you know, we don't have a residency requirement like a Springfield or a Hulk or something like that,
but that's always an option of course contingent on their employment, right? You might give them which I think they do in some town. You probably 6 months or something like that, you know, fire chiefs, fire captains, same thing, I believe. So, but I think it's not
realistic. and Don, we saw some of those applicants before for a different job where it just didn't seem like that person was coming from NATIC to be Yeah. You know, in in town here, when we chose the last chief, we
just we just did it all ourselves, right? Was he was a regular he came up through the rank? We did, but we still advertised out four. You know, it's not like we have the Springfield force where we have seven captains and
five lieutenants to choose from. So, which which really are, you know, we have a chief we have a chief's retiring. Mhm. The senior sergeant's retiring on July 5th.
We have a new sergeant. He's been there three weeks. another sergeant coming on which will open up the detective spot which will open up an officer's spot and we still have the issue of the We have no IT person. We have no IT person over there.
Other than that we're in good shape. A couple of the cars they wanted. All right. So, all right. Well, let's see what the proposal but I think it does require a different discussion about is that direction we want to take. I'd like to see what their proposal is
first though because it might be well, not to throw a number at it, but say the number is like, you know, we can do that and if their experience does help or they come back and they're looking for 50,000, we're like, well, that was fun. Yeah. Yeah. And move on. Yeah. And they can also do a standalone
the inperson assessment center. They also offer those separately if we were to bring the top three or four candidates to them. That's what Scott was saying. They could also do that part separately. Dave, you had a comment. Yep. So, my
thought is so when he was saying that they'll they'll uh knock people off that are not qualified. Yeah. But at the same time, you're never are are you guys going to be able to see those applicants? At the same time, we can always ask to see those. Sure. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Because what if one of those persons like their system might say not, but they might have a little fit and we might want to throw them in there for an interview. Sure. And we've done that in the past. Yeah. Yeah. You know, even though it's in that pile, hey, move it back to this pile.
We'd like to talk to that person anyhow, right? Okay. I guess it's you. It's hard being on this side. I like to be on this side. Do you It's been so long since you've been on this side. like months. So, hi Dave.
Hi. Introduce your crew. This is my crew. This is uh Wes and this is Chuck. Hey Wes. Hey Chuck. How are you? Senior vice commander at BFW. Great. I'm the uh new commander. Um I see the new shirt. That's very nice. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah. Great job at the uh by
the way at the Memorial Day parade at the Thank you very much. Really went as well as any. I mean wasn't rained out like last year. the no the this place was crowded but it you know everything was in order the march went great you
know thank you by the way uh I know your post went down did some road work I think a few weeks before no two days before yeah saying yeah so um for we call it Mayday so every every year in May we have we do an event to help with the VFW show community service we
brought our our our wives our children um other volunteers and we walked all the way for the entire parade route down to here. Cleaned up the trash. I think we got somewhere up around 50 lbs. Uh lots of cell phones. We found a cell phone. Found a cell phone, I have to
say. So, you know, I you know, I sponsor the uh town cleanup every every spring, right? You know, that Heather Jolliker does a great job. Karen Paris has helped as well. And it's amazing. You know that people come back and Don has been there as well picking up a shirt and a bag and
you know what the number one thing that fills those bags is. Yes, there was lots of those and unfortunately that I thought they were working on a uh a return policy or something like that. That's where we can make our money. We would make lots of
majority of it. I'm sure it is. Yeah. So anyhow, so hi. So, we would like to continue our turkey shoots for the 25 26 year. Um, you all have the document in front of you. I'm just going to go over some of the dates. Um,
so we would like to start August 24th and go all the way through November 23rd, which would be the turkey shoot. Um, then we would like to keep the the Christmas shoot, which will be um December 14th. And then you guys also we
asked two years ago for the March and the April with the March 22nd and April 12th shoots for a uh St. Patrick's Day Easter, right? And what did we do about those? Did we grant those? Yes, sir. You did? Uhhuh. So these dates here, do they
differ from what would been granted in prior years? The only thing that differs is we're asking for one week earlier in August. So, we have So, we're we want to open that up to businesses in the area. Um, we already we already have two businesses lined up if it gets approved.
Um, so what we do is we split that turkey shoot between two businesses and the business buys half the shoot, the other business buys the other half of the shoot and they have their employees just shoot for fun and we supply all the prizes. So, the BFW turkey shoot sponsored by Dunkin Donuts or something
or your name? Um, the donut employees like um I know we have Hasty Mikey Fence Hasty Fence. Um he bought a half a shoot in LC Trucking from uh I think they're in Mson bought the other one. Bought the
other half. So only their employees would come and shoot that day, you mean? Or Yes. So it won't be that was the only one that wouldn't be open to the public and then the following week we would open to the public for our regular shoots like we do. And so the August 24th one is a closed basic. Yes, that's
the private one. That'll be the private. And we did the uh St. Patrick's and Easter shoot. Yes, sir. Mhm. They were a big hit the last two years. Oh, yeah. Um,
and not to mention it really does help sponsor that money for, you know, for doing the stuff that we need to do. It's been a big difference, especially coming out of the winter months where everything's kind of dead and slow. It's helped out with raising that money for stuff. So, yeah. How much do you charge?
Uh, it varies on. So, it goes by the price of the prizes. So, we usually do like um like a 3540% markup. So, if we do a prime rib and it costs say uh I'll just do a hypothetical. I'll say
it cost $100. It costs more than that. So, what we'll do is we only have 30 targets. So, it's one through 30. So, we'll divide that by 30 and then add the 35 to 40% markup. And that cost the for
the cost of the ammo, the targets, the fresh pine board. There could one ticket could be anywhere from five bucks or even actually one of our prices is a dollar to start out but from a dollar all the way up to I think our most expensive ones usually the best spend like how do you win how do you win the
prize? So the closest to the center of the target. Yep. The pellets in the in the inside of the So we use all the same ammo so no one can say oh he brought his own ammo. He used something different. That's why we supply it's number shotgun number eight.
Um, and then everyone gets the same ammunition for that shot for that for that round. And you guys, like in the big prizes, you guys don't like bend the sights or anything, right? Sor loser. Yes. Those games are are meant to trick you. You bend those.
Yeah. So, I don't know. It was right on there. So the only issue we've had in the past, this has gone on for years obviously, is the noise going down the river. And it's been a concern from people who live down in walnut hickory down that area. Y we've had remediation in the past by and
we talked about this last year that I think back when my dad was on the board, we asked them to put a tarp up on the river during correct and you have you asked us last year. Asked you last year about if you were going to put it back up. We still have our so we have our rope that we set up with our you
know it goes like 15 feet in the air and we hang that tarp and we put it up every right it's not a big deal right it may not be as bad a big an issue in August and September because the foliage is still pretty good at that point right when you get into November there is your thing right yeah so the people that used
to complain all the time they actually moved out really yes the person who lives there now I think has come up and says oh yeah don't bother me we love it they actually come to the they come to the shoots now. Again, that was my understanding. It doesn't mean that, you know, we
certainly appreciate you remediating as much as you can. That's exactly right. Yeah. Appreciate it. Anything we can do to make people happy. Um, so Eric, I know you're new to the board. Um, welcome. Thank you. Thank you. I did vote for you. Thank you. Um, uh, we have
a zero mishap record. We have volunteers out there. We're out there in bright bright. What color is it? Fluorescent. What? fluorescent green yellow. I'm color blind. Sorry. Yeah. So, oh, there's the safety officer right here. Okay. Thank you. Okay. I can tell
the difference. I just don't know what color it is. Um Dave is actually on the planning board as well. Nice Dave. So, anyone anyone working out there on the line, they're all wearing bright clothes. Uh we have a new PA system put in so we can actually communicate better
out there. So, we used to just have the little horns. Dave, I think the best thing you've said so far is you have a zero accident record. And as many times as I think Don and I have seen this before us, we've never heard of an issue that's happened there. And that's key
right there. I'm sorry, Ted. I just want to ask. Yes, sir. Do you guys supply the guns? We have shotguns that people can use. Oh, it's a shotgun. Yep. So we so we have a 12, 16, 20 and uh we also have a forte for the kids and all the kids
have to do have to sign waiverss signed by their parents. Parents have to be uh present at the time. Mhm. Um and the uh we also have uh uh we've actually got more people uh coming out even more so now uh like I mean uh members joining in
really monitoring the inside outside safety and more than past years we've really gotten a lot of members involved. So, okay, good. Great tra tradition from when I started about five years ago. It's I mean I started five years ago, but I know I still got grandfathers and
grandchildren come. Yeah. My father brought me out here. My grandfather brought me out here. So, apparently I I don't know the exact date. I know. It's been like uh I know we're coming up on our 80th. So, I think it's like almost 75 years. Almost 75 years that they've been doing the turkey shoots.
Would have been right up there with the fishing derby. Oh, yeah. when they walked across the old bridge. Yeah. I would never walk across that thing. Really? No. Kids. All right. So, we've taken too much of your time. How's the board feel about these dates? All right. I'll move
approval uh for the turkey shoots in which no live turkeys are harmed. No live turkey. Um for the dates proposed. Second. You okay with the live turkey thing, too? Thank you. All in favor? Hi. I thank you, John. Sorry to run you
through the ringer like that. No, no, no. You're fine because the people on Zoom, they need to know too, you know. Exactly. Well, like I said, the key thing is zero zero problems. And we still notify the police department every on Sundays to to remind them. Great.
Just so you're good. All right. We'll see you at your next meeting. We'll flip ro maybe maybe by the end maybe by the end of the year. Thank you all. Have a great day. I know you're going to be busy, I'm sure. Job posting Brian. Job posting.
Simple one first. Town accountant. Town accountant has expressed um his intention to retire. So we need to fill that position. Part-time position. After I talked with Dick a little bit, we're estimating somewhere between 15 to 20 hours a week.
Again, that really depends on what's going on in the time of the fiscal year. Obviously, it's going to be more or less depending on uh what's happening with the hourly rate you show here and that time frame. How does that work out
with the budget we have? Um so this so the town position based on the classification plan is a a step six uh grade six. Uh this is the step one rate it we may need to based on experience. Yeah, based on experience may increase
this a little bit. Um but there will be uh we budgeted about 48,000 and uh that that would be that's the max for grade six. So we'll have we'll have uh ample uh room in the
budget. Okay. Cuz I I believe the current position is based on 20 hours at grade six, whatever the max step is. All right. Did you say that you had some thoughts about people that may be interested in this? Uh there's there's one town accountant that
I've had some discussions with. Okay. All right. And do we have obviously we have a bit of a I won't say a time thing but you know obviously have we're at the point of closing the books and getting ready to certify free cash which has
historically been a role of you know obviously the accountant working with the treasurer assessors etc. And with some turnover potential turnover you think it's Cliff's intention to finish submit for certification and then
retire? Yeah, that's my understanding is that he'll he'll close 25, submit free cash, and then be available as needed to bring along whoever we the next town accountant. All right. Maybe assist up to uh tax rate time possibly.
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Okay. All right. Eric, you see any issue with these postings? No. All right. Okay. How about the other one? So, the other one's a little bit more complicated. Um, well, not complicated,
but um, it's a new position, let's put it that way. So, tomorrow, July 1st, well, or I should say maybe at midnight, the town will um the lease will terminate with the school district and the town will have possession of uh,
Thor Burgess. I don't I'm not going to rehash everything that that has gone on so far. We had requested enough funding to to hire a full-time facilities manager and that was reduced um and to about we
requested 70,000 and town meeting appropriated 40,000 in the salary line item. Um, I still think that the facilities a full-time facilities manager is really needed and it's needed really immediately because
we're hoping to get into T into TWWB over the next 3 to four months. Mhm. which is going to require a lot of work. And it's going to require a lot of work that it's going to require a lot of labor in the sense of we got to change our light bulbs, we got to we got to
change out ceiling tiles, we got to clean, we got to make all these really minor repairs, you know, hopefully some painting, but it's not anything that's that's terribly uh uh unique or requires, you know, a certain skill set. There's labor that needs to be done in somebody to oversee
that. Um, I've done my best to try to to to get up to speed over the past week in terms of the mechanical systems and the vendors and the the alarms and all those types of things. Um, but we're going to we're going to hit a period here where where there's going to be a little bit of a gap where we don't have a dedicated
facilities person. M um so even if we can't if if the board's not comfortable with full-time, I would ask that we could either do something like like uh full-time 6 months or part-time to really get somebody in there because um
that building is is uh is a behemoth. It's quite large. Uh the systems are industrial commercial size and it's not really something that anybody here has experience doing. Well, I think part of it too is that obviously the day-to-day
oversight. Um, we've talked about there's obviously one person who has good familiarity with the building and would be applicable for this. To start off, is it possible and I'm not sure what that person's situation is going forward, you know, with the building
changing ownership. Is it possible to get that person to uh basically dedicate 5 10 hours a week in terms of just at least I don't want to say maintenance but oversight as well just like you said the job they were doing but for a
different boss basically and keep that part going. The other concern I would have is the town understanding or the town body, if you will, understanding
the status of the school at this point in terms of going in there. You know, yes, it's our building. It doesn't mean that department A is going over there tomorrow and starting to look at moving desks around, stuff like that. Uh Parks
has been using it for a while, but it's still the part they've been using that's to be used. Don't be going down the hallway yet, right? To those rooms, etc., you know, I think that needs and it may be something you're going to touch on on Wednesday. Yeah. In the staff meeting, you know,
say this is where we are. Don't get ahead of us. You know, we'll lead we'll lead it over there. Yep. Okay. Um, Don, what are your thoughts about the getting somebody in? I think you should advertise for full-time. We
talked before about we'll just make a goal to refund fund more in the fall. Yeah. I mean, I think the original the original concept of the facilities manager was not just Lord Burgess. It was to take a look at this building when it's vacant.
Take a look at the Academy Hall. Take a look at the even the highway which is fair. highway department just someone that can you know look at these buildings. So I think I think we got the advertise full and uh you get you get back and done I think you might have brought this point up before if this was
a position that was filled before perhaps where we were with the senior center might not have been there because we didn't really we were relying on volunteers and very capable volunteers but their volunteers are not there all the time. They're not right. So, you
know, when you look at the fact that we have now tripled the square footage of town, I'm going to say quadrupled the square footage of town buildings at least. You know, this has to be a professional operation going forward. So, I think uh your advertisement at
that at that range is correct and we'll just guarantee to fund it. It's tough. I know what you're saying. I know. But I'm gonna hire a guy saying, "Hey, don't worry. The money is coming." Trust us. Trust us. Yeah. We're the
government. I I But I think you have to. And I I think it was very we had the best penny wise and pound foolish. We had the best intentions, but you know, and and you know, as Pennywise, I'm pound foolish that the advisory committee advised cut it in
half because this is a big project and it's uh and in the end, it'll save the town tons of money. Yep. Because like like Brian says, if you have to if you need to change 300 light bulbs, you call
electrician and to change 300 light bulbs because we don't have anyone to do it. Mhm. How much is that hourly rate? At their hourly rate, how much is that going to cost? I always said the good thing about uh my dad say municipal people don't have to make a profit like a business does, right?
So, all right. So, keep going with that. Yes. Put it out there, I would say. But I think you still should chat with that individual and see if uh on a temporary basis they're willing to when you get the keys from them tonight at midnight. You're staying here, right? Staying till midnight, right? You're going to get them right at midnight, right? Already
got him. Huh? Already got him. Wow. Huh. Sounds like a violation of the No, I think so. Yeah. Jeez. Good. Good thing he doesn't live here. All right, Jack. We're all getting our copies. Thanks. There we go. Yeah. All
right. So, we have two positions. You agree we should advertise both? Yep. All right, Eric. Okay. Okay. unregistered vehicle complaint was probably the I think fourth one I've
had in my time. Ryan or Lauren, I can I can talk about it. So if you look at the uh there is documentation from the Hampton Police Department about uh property that has
well we'll just call it more than one unregistered vehicle on their property and that's a violation of the town's general bylaws. Chapter 8 uh section five talks about unregistered vehicles. Um the police department's been dealing with this situation
um since January and my understanding is they haven't had too much uh cooperation in terms of uh finding a resolution to the problem. But in accordance with the bylaw, the bylaw reads that
um there can only be a penalty assessed of $5 per day for each day of the violation. But that can that penalty can only start after after 10 days written notice um from the board of well it says the board of select them in our general
bylaws. So, there's a there's a a request from the uh from the police department to have the board send that letter to uh the homeowner in an effort to uh move closer to a resolution of of the
the number of unregistered vehicles that are on their property. There's two listings here that will that was provided by the police department. One in uh January 26th. Mhm. and then one again in
uh June 21st. You'll see there's a number of vehicles that um that are with that address. Some are active, some are inactive, some appear to be cancelled. Yeah. So,
I guess I guess two things. How many unregistered cars are up there? Um because I don't think because this inactive right it's just a list that's doesn't mean doesn't mean it could inact
you know I mean this isn't so and what you show here is that from a neighboring property they were able to visualize vehicles behind the barn that appeared to be unregistered Yeah. So,
do you site them? Does the homeowner then get the chance to say, "You know what? That Mustang you saw, I do have it registered. Here's the plate number for it." And so, they come back and basically disprove what we said. And then the $5 per day, is it per vehicle
or $5 per day? Um, I believe it's per vehicle. Sorry. Well, we don't we don't have an actual number of vehicles except these pictures for the wood. Well, there's the pictures and then there Yeah, I guess we'd have to I guess we'd
have to ask uh I don't know. It looks like Tommy might be on. See, see what I when what I'm saying is they got I mean they've got one two three four five 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14. So there's 14
per page here. 14 per page. And you got one, two, three, four pages. I don't think there's 56 cars up there.
Right. I can't imagine 56 unregistered cars up there. [Music] I mean, a couple cancelled, couple inactive and couple expireds. And but here's the thing. So the ones that are
inactive, expired, it's are they still sitting there? Right. I mean, they got mixed. I think one reports from January, the other one's from June. So, that's where the other one comes in. I think they got duplicate cars. One from January, one from June. But I think those But do we have this goes do we
have the authority to say we need to come in your property and check these cars? Good question. I want to say no. That's what I was thinking, too. We see these cars in the woods behind the thing. We think they're
unregistered. Yeah. And the only one goes, "Prove it." You're like, "Well, it looks like a 67 Chevel, and I don't see it on the list." That's about it. Yeah. We believe there's five plus vehicles that are unregistered. We cannot go on
the property. Where does it say that? He just sent it in the Oh, he sent it. Okay. File. Okay. All right. So they want so they want to they want us we need to send a letter saying that we believe there's unregistered vehicles
on the property. They have x number of days to get rid of them or they get a $5 fine per day. Mhm. Yep. Great. Right. And then the police department could start writing fines. Okay. All right. All right.
Entertain a motion authorized the town minister to send a violation notice starting the 10day clock. So move. All in favor? I All right. All right. Don, this is you
and No, this Okay. Okay. This is just this is very preliminary. Um, Mr. Pnelli and uh what's the other guy's name? Paul. They're both
what was his name? Paul Marcelino. Paul Marcelino. Oh yeah. Okay. They came in and they had a proposal of of uh having holiday lighting placed along Allen Street uh on the poles along Allen
Street from built from uh about Mountain View through built-ins and uh uh the the decorations would come from the uh Springfield
uh bright nights. Springfield stuff. Spirit of Springfield stuff for a dollar. Each decoration be a dollar on the real pole, not the half pole that's left there, right? The real pole. It has to be on the real pole. So I I said to them, look at we we met Brian and I met
and and I said to them, look, I got to bring it to the board, see if there's any interest, and then probably what we'll do is have you come in explain the whole thing to us at a future meeting. Sure. So, they got to tap off the line up above the light to run the lights or how do
they electrician? Yeah. Yeah, I know. But I mean, and they tap the line. I mean, this who pays for electricity? Just plug it in one of the neighbors hours. Note that. Please note that under God's name when he said, "All right, so
schedule for a future time." basically. Are we willing to entertain it? Of course, we love to enterain comes. Yes. Right. Yeah. Okay. So, he get himself a meeting some time with this. All right. All right. Emergency management director. We talked before Craig had mentioned uh when he was stepping down that he had been serving
as emergency management director and suggested the board could appoint him to stay on. We had to do a 30-day pause from the date of his leaving the board. I think in light of the fact especially the chief um stepping down Craig would be the most experienced in that role
he's willing to do it entertaining a motion to appoint Craig or Greg to be the emergency management director. What do you think Derek and work union right there by the way? I've been waiting all night. I have you
on board with that. Just call me one. It'll be fine. Thank you. Second. One direction. All in favor. I Okay. You can write that letter and just put whatever you want there. Do them at concern. Right. All right. That's easy enough.
That's why he didn't give the key back, right? Kept his Bob and his email. Yeah, exactly. appointments report. What's that now? So, this is uh typically at the end of uh the fiscal year, people who want to serve again for the upcoming year are
reappointed their positions. Some positions are multi-year and don't come up. Some positions the people uh enjoyed their service and don't want to serve again. So, Lauren has been reaching out to different people. That doesn't include us. And we have uh quite
a few we have uh annual appointments for the police department including the chief including Sergeant Cooney but these are wrote if you will and start wrote uh appointments for the fire
department as well for the upcoming year. one of your appointments for some of the the staff in the town hall which are the building commissioner, plumbing inspector and the people in this office. Uh the senior senate
building committee is willing to keep serving. I reached out to Gary about that. The animal control officer, animal inspector Shelley and Paul fire department building committee. Um I thought I heard that a couple were stepping back and I think there was the
people from out of town. they had gone, you know, done what they had. But there are five that are still willing to serve. Mark Barbara, Ed Puland, Craig Revest or Greg, uh, Ed Riggnney, and Lance Travalian. So,
I think that's it. Are there any committees besides what you have here, Lauren, or they're still coming in? The only ones I believe that are left are the election officers, which I'm trying to get answers on. Okay. Um
I don't seemed like there should have been a conservation but that's been I won't say mess so they've been changing a lot so much it seemed like somebody should have been due this year but either way oh so you
got counsel on aging from Becky. I thought one of these ladies had stepped down. No is this just this is just what was on the list. This is just what was on the list. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think Debbie might have
Okay. So, three-year appointments. Uh the board of registars, the water commission. I thought I know Paul is still serving. Didn't Paul say he was going to step away or No, he is after the end of the project. Huh? At the end of the project. At the end of the project. Okay, that's fine. Historical, we still have Connie and
Christina. Zoning Board of Appeals. We don't have five and they're not staggered terms. It's odd to see all four on there at once because that's a five member committee and it's usually
good. Jen, I think Gary was on there too, I thought. Well, unless our list is wrong. It has the wrong term dates on it, but there's usually only five. And you're right, it's Jed and I thought we I
thought Gary, too. But did you I'm going to take a pause on that one. You could just bounce it off a dick tomorrow and make sure cuz I mean I really would like to stagger some of those especially if we're reappointing them cuz we don't want them coming up
all the same time again. There's no reason, right? So, let's treat this. I have a request to reappoint the current personnel in the police department to one-year term as listed by the
administrative assistant. So moved. Second. All in favor? I request to reappoint the fire department personnel per the list as compiled by the administrative assistant to a one-year term.
You want me to read all the names? Okay. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We. We have oneear appointments for the parking clerk, the town accountant, emergency man. We just did records, access, the building department, which
is the building commissioner, uh, plumbing and gas inspector, the alternates, the electrical inspector, the alternate, the senior center building committee, which seems to be short one person, Lauren. It's the same list as last time. I know,
but we re we appointed somebody to fill Rita's spot. Who is it? No, I swear there's another person there. You have I even checked everything on. Hang on.
Um, entertain a motion to the one uh make the one-year appointments per the list as submitted by the administrative assistant for parking clerk, town accountant, EMD director, records access officer, the building department, personnel, the senior center building committee, the animal control department, animal inspectors, and the
fire department building committee to one-year terms. Second. All in favor? I. And I would like to hold off on the uh committee appointments until you just
check that. I know the see away I thought Debbie stepped down and the zoning just it seems odd. Yeah. Yeah. But I will take entertain a motion to reappoint the historical commission Connie Wit and Christina Revest. And
there's an opening there, right? There's no we just appointed Joyce Dunley. Oh yeah. Okay. I have a motion second. Three year that's a three-year appointment. Three-year appointment for the board of registars, Eagle Wiseman. Three-year appointment for the water
district, Paul Garwaki, who is willing to serve until the water project ends in the year 2037. Thank you, John. So, all in favor? I That's how we keep them on. Just keep finding another pipe,
John. Finding another pipe. That's why you're going to sign. Step up. So, these will be signed at your leisure over the next week, please. Won't be done all tonight. Vacation rollover requests. How many do we have, Lauren?
Five. I see five. Five. Okay. Building inspector would like to roll over one week. Karen 12 hours. 12 hours of vacation, four hours of personal time. Lauren
McCormick, Mark, one day pretty good. And Joanne, three days. Yeah. And know certainly Karen and and Joanne had issues that precluded them taking vacation with, you know, family
things. So, these would have to be used up by uh September 30th if the board saw requests, which makes sense. Entertain a motion to none of these exceed one week, which is in the employee handbook. Make
a notion make a mo entertain a motion to uh accept the request for vacation and personal time rollover. Second. Make a motion. Second. Second. All in favor? I
Okay. Summer schedule. Who wants to wait meet twice a week? That's something I want to bring up. All right. So, second. I usually about twice a week. I'll be here. All right. Great. Matter of fact, why do we even close our meetings? Right. Right. Right.
There we go. All right. Well, that was easy. So, we got to move. We're going to have to meet on the 7th. Yep. 21st. What happened on the 14th? We're not meet We're doing twice a week, are we? Who says? Oh, once a week. Who says?
Once every other week. Once every other week. We're doing that, too. We decided. No. Oh, those old guys. All right. Just a reminder, I'll be on vacation that week. Yeah. Brian will be out that week of the 14th. 14th. Anyhow. Okay. Why
don't we uh then for July and August we'll tenatively set every other week and of course be available if something comes up we would uh meet. So we're going to meet the 7th, the 21st, the 4th
and the 18th but September 1st is Labor Day, right? So no, we'll just meet the second that week basically. Second the second of that week. Yeah. All right. So two meetings in July 7th and 21st,
two meetings in August, the 4th and the 18th. Any other meeting as needed? Good. Good. Okay. Few. Good. All right. Any correspondence?
Nope. You're out next week, you next week. I I can I'm cover zoom in. Yep. Okay, great. Uh any member reports? I have nothing. Nothing. Okay. Ministry report. Yeah, a couple things. Um great.
Yeah, no kidding. He doesn't shut up, does he? Nope. Give me some cookies while he's talking to the choker. Keep yourself out of work. Um resolution for for July 3rd Friday holiday.
We said we're going to stay open July 3rd. Yeah, we're not going to close. Um July 4th is a paid holiday in our handbook. So we can pay. Are we going to do a floating holiday? What do we want to do? Okay. You don't get both. You don't get paid and then another day off. No. No. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't
recommend that. I'll take it. So [Music] if I don't work on Friday, you still get you don't work on Friday. There's no proof of it. If I don't work on Friday, I still get paid for the Friday off the
holiday, right? What? Because a paid holiday, right? Paid holiday. If I work on Friday, I get paid for the holiday, but I lose a day's pay, right? You get double time. You get double time if you work on the holidays. That's what I'm asking. Okay.
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Those are people that don't work on Friday basically just get paid for holiday. So they get extra days pay in that week. Yeah. I just need to know what to tell people.
Oh. It's Yeah, it's a policy. Yes, that that's one option. Yes. And what's your choice? What's that? Is that what you're recommending? That the people who work on Friday normally get the day off with
pay plus get the holiday pay. Well, or well, cuz there's not equity there. There's not equity there. Let But who are those people? The police and the fire department and the center highway in highway.
Senior center is open on Friday. Every Friday. Mhm. But they're going to be closed this Friday cuz it's 4th of July, right? And they're going to get paid. Mhm.
There you go. Seems like there's something hot there. What? I work for a company. Mhm. And it's and they're closed on a particular day and it's a paid holiday. You get paid. Period. Mhm.
Paid holiday. You're up there off of work and we pay you. Understand? But here's here's the thing. If I have job A and I get paid for four days a week, right? I have job B and I get paid for five days every week, right?
The people because this shows up on a Friday, they're getting paid for five days. The people work five days are also getting paid for five days. So the the A cohort is getting an extra day's pay as opposed to the other
people. That's what I'm that's where I'm seeing this either I'm not phrasing it right, but that's the difference right there. So you are you suggesting the people who work four days and it happens to fall in the holiday happens the following day don't work
they don't get paid. I'm not saying that because it's you get paid for the holiday. But how do you make it fair to the fiveday people? But if you're scheduled to work Monday through Thursday, 40hour week and and Friday is your normal day off. It happens to be a holiday. You're saying you want and
you're No, you still get paid for it. It's a paid holiday, you know. But I'm saying how do you get the equity to the other, you know, the four day people are getting an extra day's pay and the five day people are not, right?
But the five day people are getting a day off. So are the four day people. Well, they don't work that day anyhow. And they're getting paid. Yeah. If you do work, they don't get paid that day either. But they don't work, right? No, they're getting paid for that day. No. If they if if the four day the four
day people work four days, they get paid for four days. They don't get paid the fifth day at a normal time. Right. The fifth the five day people get paid for five days. Now the holiday comes on the fourth day. Fifth day. Yeah. Right. Fifth day, the
five day people get a day off and they get paid. The four day people get an extra day's pay. Yeah. I No, I understand. That's how it is. It just seemed like there's some kind of unfairness to it. That's all. I don't
see a resolution. Life isn't fair. I'm going to write that down, Don. Thank you. Be on your chair. No, I don't. There is no there is no resolution. Ryan, what do you say?
I thought it was either paid or or get a floating holiday to use within a certain amount of time. Take another day off. Yeah, we count to the five day people or the four day people.
four day people place. Why would the four day people get a a floating day? Cuz that's a move of paying them, right? That's a move of paying them because we don't budget that amount. We don't budget for 262 days.
We budget for 261 work days. You give them a day off. Right. You could take one off in the future without causing us to shut down the entire town hall for the right. I see what you're saying. The people the four day the 5day people are covered because that's a working day and it would be in their pay
structure. The 4day people it's an extra. So rather than pay them give them a floating day on their regular work days is your recommendation. All right. No I think one or the other. Hey. Well, it's not like we got a lot of time
to talk about it. It's this week. I like the floating thing cuz it seemed like I have a little bit more fairings to it. Take a day off here. Yeah. And it doesn't break the budget, right? One week into it.
Is that where you would go, Brian? the floating day. Um, it's better for the budget and it keeps the town hall. We don't have to close for a day. I mean, it's a paid it's it's a paid holiday employee handbook. Um, so I think we either pay
people or we compensate them with a floating holiday and the folding holiday is better for the budget. Well, I mean, we will be closed on the actual fourth. Those places that are open are closed anyhow. the other there's no closing on the
third or anything like that, right? Yeah. And most of the in most of the research the research that I did of other towns in the state was a preference for a floating holiday because of because of the budgetary impacts, but some towns it was all over the map.
Okay. All right. So, we need to give Brian direction to tell people on Wednesday during his staff meeting is the board endorsing the floating holiday proposal from the town administrator. Sure.
Can you be a little less enthusiastic? Oh, yeah. You understand? Yeah. All right. I think it's wonderful. Here's a cookie. Take it home. Thank you, Brian. So, that's where you're going to my cookies. Come on. Save us.
I'm sure you're trying to get me on a sugar high. All right. Yes, Brian. Anything else? Oh, town of mystery report. Yes. Oh, this is fun. Uh, we mentioned take over TWWB at
midnight. I expect to see everybody there for a ribbon cutting. Maybe the cops. Maybe the cops will show up. U, I've been contacted by uh Mitch Glustr. They want to and I guess this is something the board wants
to decide if we move forward with the purchase of zero north road. They're ready to move forward. That's the the mini land trust uh parcel after 17 town meetings discussing it and 40 town meeting approved. Would not go forward with it. Well, I mean you could
Okay. The bottom line is that the money's already been appropriated from CPA, right? Correct. Yep. You already spent the only thing we already spent we got spent 90 million $90 million on legal fees. Yeah. Which typically in the past used to be paid for by MLT, but okay.
So, um I guess we'll move forward with that. Uh MVP project is wrapped up thankfully. Um it's still uh chapter 85 review is still pending, but we expect those comments to be minor. and we'll
have construction ready uh bid documents for the bridge, but we need to find funding to do it. Um, currently there um there's still funding uh as Don uh mentioned this morning, there's still u money in the
state budget for uh improvements uh security improvements at TWWB. So hopefully that will uh hopefully that will continue to be the case. Um I believe the conference committee was done, right? So now conference committee is done. It was still in the conference committee and they're going to vote I
think they're going to vote on it this week and then it goes to the governor and it's $90,000 in there for TWWB. Yep. That would that would be nice. And I had uh mentioned to the board earlier that the Pine Valley Planning Commission the regional energy manager program it's a a
three-year program that's funded um through uh part of it through DOE department of energy resources and a portion of it's funded through Mass Safes. Mhm. uh to provide a part-time uh energy manager for the town. And I alluded to in in my email that I that
I'd like them to focus on everything TWWB, meaning lighting, HVAC, and the possibility of of solar solar array on the roof there as well. So, that's good timing for that. Hey, Brian, back to kind of on topic of that. Uh where are we with meeting with Tony and talking
about security and monitoring? Um I I sent him that email at the end of last week. I haven't heard back yet from it. I'll follow up. I think I sent it on Friday. Um, okay. A couple more days. If we don't hear back, I think we need to either take it to them, right? Go over
there because this is Yeah. And I had that short list of stuff to It does go back. We're not hearing We're not hearing anything about the quarterly meetings, the recaps, anything like that. I don't think we're Yep. We're certainly getting good coverage.
The the regional dispatch is working out well, but I'd like to be feel like we're a little more of a partner in this. That is it. End of the fiscal year. Okay. Last FY25 warrants. If you have if you guys have any invoices you need paid, please get
them in by Thursday. I do have a car payment, too. Yeah. 649 for these D right here. See, right down here. Oh, it's a good point. And I I I don't want you guys I want you guys to go crazy, but starting tomorrow, there's a new selectman expenses budget. Oh, it's
refreshed. Okay. 649 done. Put this in. You going to sell this? No. No. Put it on the municip. Um, what? I'm sorry. The vacation schedule. So, Brian, you're out not this week, but
the week of the 13th. Yeah. Okay. Lauren, any plans? I have jury duty July 17th. Guilthy one day in August. I'm taking off for a family thing. Yes. Okay. August 11th. Okay. And Eric, you're out
next week. Next week, but available. Available. Don, any thoughts? Well, I have a lot of thoughts, but going anywhere? Uh, no. But, uh, she is. Oh, which is vacation for me.
Brian, be ready for visitors every day. We'll check on them every day. Yeah. Like when you're away next week, Al Hey is here for those who remember that. Was it in charge? Exactly.
Way back. Um, nope. No plans here. Okay. Lauren, anything bring up? Uh, nothing else. No. Okay. Before we go into executive session, you guys have anything? Dad, John, how's the project?
John going well in the street now except for one final house. Okay. I mean, as I mentioned to the board, Frank B uh Mark does want to talk about changing his construction schedule, including redoing the roads where the water work
has been done. I think it's important to do it now. So, he's I asked him he's almost ready to bring that in. And um the other thing he didn't get back to me, Brian, was he was going to get that steel. Oh, yep. I don't know if he did and try and get it inside this year's
budget. I don't if you see anything on that yet. That's my understanding of what he was trying to do. Plan to do, right? Yeah. Yep. That's for the transfer station. Yes. Repair the dock there. Okay. If there's no other business to come before the board, I'll entertain a motion to go
into executive session. Will we go into executive session under Massachusetts General Chapter 38, section 21 A3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining uh regarding the highway uh union and not to return to
open session? Second. Second. All those in favor by role John Flynn I. John Davford I. Thank you. Thank you. I don't think it's a patrol union. No, it's not. I skipped that. Okay.