Okay. Good evening. This is call the meeting to order. This is a meeting of the Hampton Select Board Board of Health being held in the townhouse auditorium on May 27th, 2025 at 5 roughly 33 p.m. The meeting is being conducted in person
remotely using video conferencing technology. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Is anyone
recording the meeting other than ourselves? Kristen. Kristen. Hello. Good evening. Okay. Thank you. Kristen Rivers of the Overham Hammond Times recording the meeting. The first item we have on our agenda. This first item we have on our score. We'll go to the minutes
afterwards. The first item we have on our um meeting this evening is the municipal vulnerability program video presentation. I think we have a couple two videos. Two. Yes. A five minute followed by approximately 19 minute.
Okay. Let them roll. We want the introduction. Are we good? Let's introduce the people. You want to do the introduction, Stephen? Yeah. My name is Stephen Tyler from Howard Sign Hudson and a project manager for the Hamn MVP project. Thank
you. Welcome back, Steve. And my name is Perry Halan and I'm the filmmaker for this project. And also with us we have a Hamen uh resident who is also a part of the the production, Carol. And her father is in the film. Oh,
great. In what role? Uh production assistant. Yes. Yes. and location scout. That's great. Perfect. All right. So, I'll show the trailer first, right? Yes, please. The
short one. This should go away. [Music] [Music] Hampton's a very picturesque community, predominantly residential. It's off the
beaten path. I have been out to look at our bridge and culprits in town. What we see are that our infrastructure is old. Some cases it's undersized. Since you don't really see it, you don't really think about it. And as long as the road is still operational
and functional, you don't know what the condition of a culprit that you're driving over might be. This bridge would wash out. um one half of the community would be cut off and the other half. The weather plays a huge part in a small
town. Takes out roads. There was a flood back in uh the 50s that divided the town in half and the water came across where St. Mary's Church is and flooded into the fields of the AMA nurseries which my
father owned. All the streams and brooks and everything was flooded. There's a lot of bridges that have the stamp, you know, 1950, 1951, 1955. Reason that is cuz all the bridges were washed out during this large storm. One of my concerns is like usually if they're all
built around the same time, then stands to reason that they may start showing decline around the same [Music] time. 20th century infrastructure built for a 21st century world, those two things aren't going to match up.
Over the years, the MVP program's goal has been to get every single community in the Commonwealth to identify their local climate change adaptation and resilience priorities. Most towns are doing tremendous amounts of work already. And
so taking on a long-term permitting and design process in addition to funding schools, in addition to funding DPW, in addition to all the things that towns have to do in order to function, it's not uncommon for these long-term projects just to fall off the radar.
The foundation of civilization is public works. So with MVP funding, the town began with continuing the assessment of the bridge and then ultimately finding the funding to do a final design including bid documents for the replacement of the main street bridge over
Eastbrook. We designed a bridge for the mass DOT stream crossing standards. You have to look at the stream bedwidth upstream and downstream and kind of come up with an average for that. We determined that the proposed span for this bridge needed to be around 32 ft. The existing bridge has a spin
length of around 16 ft. When you have these large storms, all these trees come down. You'll see them damned up against these bridge structures and they'll keep daming up and all a sudden you see the bridge fail. The reason why the bridge is failing is because there's so much excess pressure on the bridge that it wasn't designed for. As part of the MVP grant process,
they also are encouraging communities to look at long-term solutions. So, not only to replace the bridge, but what other things can occur within a community to improve the resiliency at the
bridge. Whenever I see a pipe just sticking straight into a rope, I think, "Wow, there's an opportunity to improve things." So, all the catch basins are just on the other side of this burn along Main Street to the Latin Rook. What we're proposing to do is to
redirect each one of those sets of catch basins that come into this location from the street itself. You know, oil runoff, any salt runoff hopefully can be treated here through plant species along with retention and then anything left over
will be redirected as treated water in a way back to East Brook. As part of this project, we made a website which is kind of this repository for everything that we were creating for the project. So that was for ports, fitting it with maps. Down
here is the green infrastructure solutions part of the project. In here you'll see the designs that were put together specifically for Hampton to work with a new culvert under Main Street. One of the big problems with green infrastructure, especially in smaller towns, is the maintenance. So we've talked with the garden center.
We've also talked with L to find a way that we have the community come here and bring back that old history of it being like a learning center for the community and trying to have that being a learning center again. But I think it's a great opportunity for the community to come and see how different parts of green structure are used so they can maybe use
smaller options on their own properties. [Music] Hey Andrew. Um this is Andrew the regional coordinator from All right. And the second one was That's right. Number two. Yes.
Pause that for one second. [Music] Hampton's is a very picturesque community, predominately residential. It's off the beaten path. There's no state number highways in Hampton. The Scanic River is nice. I used to uh
ride two down it when I was a kid. We'd start up by uh the Chapen Road Bridge. Here's the dam. Here's a picture of the dam. There used to be a mill on the river. We've got a few mountain
ranges here. The main corridor sits in a valley mountain. That's pretty cool. And it's kind of hovered around the 5,000 mark as far as population goes for I think the last 20 years or so. Uh and yeah, it's a small community, so
everybody knows each other. And that's yeah, that's mainly how things get done. This would be the townhouse. Our selectmen have so many people coming at them and I want this, I want that, do this, do that. There's only so much
money, you know, in the budget in this office. We work closely with everyone. Planning board, building department, fire department, um, highway. You just do what's asked. You have to in order to make it all work. I
think all our departments are very wellrun. Uh, I think the highway department does the best they can. They're buying more equipment and getting better stuff, roadside mowers, and uh, they needed one. They had an old sickle bar thing and they that thing was
an antique. [Music] [Music] The Main Street Bridge on Eastbrook, according to my records, was
built after the New England hurricane of 1938. So, it's getting up there in age. [Music] Weather plays a huge part in a small town. Takes out roads. There was a flood
back in the 50s that divided the town in half. And the water came across where St. Mary's churches and flooded into the fields of the canopies which have their own all the streams and brooks and everything was flooded. There's a lot of
bridges that have the stamp, you know, 1950, 1951, 1955. The reason that is because all the bridges were walked out in these large storms. One of my concerns is like usually if they're all built around the same time, then stands to reason that they may start showing
decline around the same time. So I have been out to look at our bridges and cold percentile. What we see are that our infrastructure is old. In some cases it's undersized based on what we see happening with heavier rain events and thunderstorms that come through especially in other
municipalities and states. It's a lot easier to fix it now than it is to do it in an emergency. We have more energy in our atmosphere. So there's more moisture in the atmosphere and so when it comes down it comes down more intensely. bridge behind me. You know, as it looks
right now, the water's flowing through quite nicely, but last spring there was a flood. The water came right up to the lip of the road. There's been floods where the water has been over the road. All the trees and other debris that are moving down the stream and the storm get
lodged in there and it just causes a lot of flooding. That bridge was not designed to be a dam. Since you don't really see it, you don't really think about it. And as long as the road is still operational and functional, you don't know what the
condition of a culprit that you're driving over might be. If this bridge were to wash out, one half of the community would be cut off from the other half. As a former DPW director in central Massachusetts, I can certainly understand what these communities are dealing with. Funding
challenges throughout the years have created situations where not only highway departments but many departments are at the bare minimum for being able to maintain existing operations. In the case of this community, the the design cost of this bridge is greater than
their chapter 90 funds for a single year. What we were able to do is identify that need with the community um and pair it up with a funding program that we felt that they could be eligible for. and it turns out that they work. Now is your opportunity. You have a
bridge that's in bad condition. Now's the time to replace it and do what's best for your community. Over the years, the MVP program's goal has been to get every single community in the Commonwealth to identify their local climate change
adaptation and resilience priorities. We focus on dealing with the impacts of climate change and doing it in a way that works with nature. most towns are doing tremendous amounts of work already. And so taking on a long-term permitting design process, uh, in addition to funding schools, in addition
to funding DPW, in addition to all the things that towns have to do in order to function, it's not uncommon for these long-term projects just to fall off the radar. And the ability for us to help fund something so it can be advanced through the different stages of design,
permitting, bid ready documents can really help the town access the right funding stream for final construction. The MVP project is funding the design work for the town of Hampton to replace the main street bridge. Once the town has the final design, then we can get on
what's called the transportation improvement plan or the tip at the MO and that will make construction funding available to the town to actually replace the bridge and its annual operating budget is about $16.5 million to purchase that
cost $45 million. It's a really difficult project for the town to fund purely out of its tax base. I have done about 23 MVP planning grants. I've worked in large cities and small towns. Hammond's MVP planning
process began with a community resilience building workshop. Climate change is three things. It's rising temperature. It's the changing precipitation and then sea level. Every community that goes through the planning process develops a matrix. So the risk
matrix asked the participants to identify both those threats and opportunities to to address those threats. It included three sectors, infrastructure, society and the environment. Culberts
are a big deal. Those roads that didn't flood before are now flooding during extreme rain events in these communities. They all share older buildings that weren't necessarily built with air conditioning cuz it wasn't needed. Now the heat comes sooner and it sticks around longer. So even in
schools, air conditioning is becoming a priority. So there's a common thread amongst all these communities, but yet each one manages to find their own unique need. Like in Hammond's case, it turned out to be that main street
[Music] bridge. So I've been here 10 months. The two issues that have come up are extreme heat and we also had high wind events that took down some trees and some power lines. You know what we're seeing are
more intense storms that come through, heavier rain, higher winds, those types of things. I should never have this chat because our country fight of germs and diseases, all of it. It's awful. Triple E, every year it gets high. The state
will notify us when there's a danger. West Nile, TripleA, Limes, they send us all the information and then we are responsible to put it out to the people of our town. So when I first started it was almost nil, nothing. And then it is,
you know, eventually wrote to the high counts now that we get at the end of the summer are more of a normal than not. While I'm planning the the day or the week, you know, I'm I'm mindful. I don't need to have anybody getting sick or heat
stroke. We may try to wrap up any maybe hot mix uh hot asphalt work by noon time and do something a little less strenuous if it's going to be, you know, super hot out. From the media school standpoint, we'll welcome cooling centers when it gets extremely hot. We're trying to
protect those most vulnerable. Our senior center is available for people to go there of any age. And then also the library is available as well. We had the October storm. Weird snowstorm knocked out power for seven days in Hampton. Board of Health is lucky enough to have
a trailer. We got from Grants and um stocked. We loaded it up to one of the fire trucks, pulled it over to the senior center, open the doors and put up CS. Everybody donated food. It was amazing. [Music]
And Massaban is just hugely excited about the municipal vulnerability preparedness program in Massachusetts because it's really helping to bring community attention to climate change preparedness issues. That includes infrastructure like roads and school
buildings and police stations and other emergency preparedness facilities, but it also includes what people call nature-based solutions to climate change. There's really no land cover better than forest for slowing down
storm water during intense storm events. It's never one thing that kills a tree. At Lavinbrook, hundreds of our oak trees were killed by successive years of being defoliated by spongy moss. Years of defoliation by spongy mop is a stress,
but extra heat is another stress. All these stressors are kind of coming to bear all at once. I feel like we're not getting as much snow as we used to. like when I was a kid and maybe a little bit wetter
conditions. So, we might be using a little bit more salt and you get those temperatures that hover right around 30°, you get freezing, then you get slush. So, we might have to scrape off the slush and then it freezes. So, we just always have to be prepared, make sure we have enough salt in the salt
shed and make sure all of our trucks and equipment are in good working order and just respond the best we can. In order to raise a cow, you need to have good water and good quality heading which is sometimes not doable because we have
drought like we had a drought this fall and that really hurt right away. You start, you know, buying more hay, bringing in more hay and it's what you're going to supplement it with because you don't have any grazing. So currently with this drought, we have had
maybe five wells that had to be decommissioned, destroyed, and new wells put in. If your well is shallow, there's a good chance that it's going to go dry. People are like, I got a shallow well, you know, hopefully it'll start raining.
Maybe I can get some water from the neighbor, which a lot of people did. They were running hoses. At least they could get something to drink. Okay. wait until it rained, but it went like almost 3 months before it finally rained in November. Uh flooding, it definitely
could devastate your uh septic field and your septic tank and putting that in is even worse than a well. We didn't have any wildfires in town, but uh we did provide mutual aid to the town of Mson who had a significant wildfire and has a
a tanker and a brush truck. So, but we actually staff and lend those resources to neighboring towns when they're needed. And that was a multi-week [Music] event. Some things that could make a co
fail is just age. You know, the type of material that they were constructed with. Some of the older cos out here were made of corrugated steel. Some of them are concrete. You know, if we're treating our roads with salt, that doesn't help. Over the years, they rot
out before any rain event or forecasted heavy event. We'll take some time the day before and we check a lot of our lowline covers and uh make sure all of our catch basin tops are clear of leaves and debris just to make sure the water's going to be able to exit the road and
get to where it should go. Yeah. Water will do what it wants to do. It'll find the path of uh least resistance and you fix a wash out here. Maybe pave a little swale for it. Give the water that place to go. a year later, the water wants to exit the road
100 feet down the road. So those types of wash outs are uh are something that we deal with, you know, often. So we're currently on the Eastbrook of Main Street here in Hampton. Um it's one of their major bridges in town. We're here today
because it's one of their locations where they've had major flooding in the past. It's also a location where their bridge right now is in kind of a deficient condition where has erosion on the beam 10 and one on the outside of it and it's really caused by
rust. We have tons of storms here in New England especially snow and salt is the easiest way to keep those roads clear and safe. The problem is that's seeping through and it's causing these major holes at the seats of each side of the beam. The bridge itself is not where we can't carry traffic. It's just those outside
beams. The web itself can no longer handle the load of the vehicle. So, it's location town really brought to our attention saying, "Hey, you guys take a look at it and see if it's a high priority for the town." All of my work is primarily in the state of Massachusetts. I've worked
on over 100 bridges throughout my career. I've seen deterioration of all kinds. This one isn't surprising at all. As of right now, it doesn't even work for the 25-year flood. It gets overtopped on a regular basis. So, we designed the bridge for the mass DOT
stream crossing standards. You have to look at the stream bedwidth upstream and downstream and kind of come up with an average. And typically, what we do is you need to increase that span by 20% to meet stream crossing standards. For that, we determined that the proposed
span for this bridge needed to be around 32 ft. And what that allows is it gives you a wider hydraulic opening so that during a heavy storm it allows more room for the water to flow underneath the bridge. The existing bridge has a
spelling of around 16 ft. So clearly undersized hydraulically which is why you see flooding issues. And then under normal conditions, it also provides more bank so that uh animals will be able to cross underneath the bridge uh along the
bridge of a lot of times when you get bridges and cold bridge they're undersized. Big water stream before bottles like that and then afterwards it opens back up. When you get that bottleneck the level of the stream rises and not only with that the velocity gets more increased.
If you look along the main street bridge, the banks are very steep between the stream itself is getting buried inside. But a lot of times the more and more inside you look at a river that means there's going to be a bottleneck either upstream or downstream that's causing this deep channel erosion which is making create a V instead of looking
more of like a parabolic look. It's more of that Vshape which again just because the velocity underneath the water is so strong it's just causing a lot of erosion downstream specifically. [Music] So, another important thing about hydraulic capacity you get is when you have these large storms, all these trees
come down. You see them damned up against these bridge structures and they'll keep daming up and all a sudden you see the bridge fail. The reason why the bridge is failing is because there's so much excess pressure on the bridge that it wasn't designed for. When you open up those banks, it helps with climb resiliency when you have these flooding situations cuz the worst thing that can happen is that you know you get these large floods and all a sudden a bridge
is washed out and the emergency services from one side of town can't get to the other side during these major storm events. So, it really was a main characteristic, not only, you know, to fix a bridge because of its deficiencies, but also to make sure that when we're fixing it, we're making it wide enough to allow it to flood its veins when it needs to, but not so much
elevate the water when it's going through. There's a lot more water through, but at a lower elevation. As part of the MVP grant process, they also are encouraging communities to look at long-term solutions. So, not only to replace the
bridge, but what other things can occur within the community to improve the resiliency at the bridge. One thing related to this brook in particular that we're interested in working with the town with is you can
see just to the left of the bridge, there's a pipe sticking out of the bank. That pipe is carrying storm water off of the roads and to some degree out of the corner of our parking lot at the sanctuary. Whenever I see a pipe just
sticking straight into a rope, I think, "Wow, there's an opportunity to improve things. The water coming off of the pavement has elevated temperatures. It's probably about elevated pollutants and it's an impairment in terms of hydraology in storm response
like that water reaches the brook a lot faster than it would if it were kind of filtering through a port. So all of those things we can essentially engineer constructed weapons to perform those functions. So those are all things that
we are super excited to work with the town on figuring out that and addressing that outfall here. 20th century infrastructure built for 21st century world those two things aren't going to match up. So at some point the need to replace stuff is going
to be very great. So I think on our end it's providing that assist that boost in a way that helps towns jump start their action towards addressing a concern that's been lingering for a while. I think I want the public to know that the town is is
being proactive to try to address a lot of these issues. The process is slow and it's expensive, but in the end, but it's much cheaper to address these issues now than to have to deal with the emergencies and the hassles that would happen if the road were to wash out, for
instance. So, the town's being proactive. It's a lengthy process. We have to be patient. [Music]
I like working with volunteers. I like working with board members. Most of those positions are unpaid. So, working with people who are passionate about what they're doing makes my job easier and more interesting. If I were to say anything about the town and its people, it would be don't be
afraid to come to the town hall and talk. Anything you want to know about the terms right here? One of my favorite things about Laughing Brook, if we zoom back in time by 12,000 years, we would have been
underwater and sediments were just blasting off the landscape and filled that lake with sand and gravel. Then after the glaciers receded and that lake bed drain with the Scandic River, East Brook, Brow carved down through all of
that material and it left this great landscape. I think we've got a good crew here and we're all committed to making the town look nice and um keeping people safe and really making travel through town pleasurable.
[Music] Well, that was pretty impressive. I was going to say pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah. You got some more work you can do in town if you'd like. I like that. I think that they did a great job on the
video. Well, exactly. And it gives a lot of good messages. So, appreciate the feedback. And what do you have for us alternative to update? Do you want to shift your chairs around so you're facing? Yeah, I'm ready to provide an update anytime. If I can through the
chair, I just want to ask Taylor if you just read these flyers for the people that are here tonight and we are gathering signatures. It's more for the MVP process. John, shift around so you're facing us. Yeah. Yeah. We feel talking to your side
is Oh, yeah. Anytime you want to bring up the presentation, I'll get started. Come on over. We got the presentation. You know you want I know. But would you all like hard copies for yourself? Audience. We can make copies if they want them
after. Thank you. For sure. For the record. You guys did that? You guys really? That was incredible video work. That drone stuff was really nice. Yeah.
And Brian's makeup was on point. Brian, you look great. I'm thinking, you know, we might want to hire them for our autobiography. Maybe you could document the move because we take book by book over to the purchase.
[Music] All right. So, you fire away. All right. So, good evening. Um, thank you for um sharing some time with us this evening and thank you Andrew for coming to tonight's meeting as well. Um, this is a update on the status of your municipal
vulnerability preparedness fiscal year 25 action grant in particular the main street bridge replacement design and the and the green infrastructure um preliminary design. For our agenda, we're going to talk about the status of the bridge
permitting, the bridge and roadway design, followed by the bridge rightway and the green infrastructure design, and then talk a little bit about the community outreach videos where we just watched um two of the three videos. One was a trailer and the the other one was
um the overall comprehensive about coverage, bridges, and watershed. Then we'll talk about next steps and open up to questions and answers. With regard to the bridge permitting status, the the bridge design has been
permitted. We've gone through the conservation commission and received an order of conditions and that was recorded last fall. Um the natural heritage and endangered species program has reviewed the project and provided comments and we addressed all those comments through the conservation
commission process. Um the Mass Massachusetts Historical Commission has um received reviewed and approved the project notification form. The preconstruction notification has been sent off to the Army Corps engineers
kind of just project was such a low level as far as bridge impacts goes. It's just basically a notification requirement and the chapter 85 final design submission is going to go in end of this month, beginning of June. Um, we were delayed waiting for resolution of
one of their comments. So, we don't expect to have the bridge approval. Um, but the the sign will be in and subject to bridge approval and we'll watch it through the process and make sure it gets done. If they have any questions, we'll deal with them even if they go beyond the
um grand period. What is that period? What is the grant period? The grant period closes at the end of June. End of June. Yes. Um, next is just to talk about the roadway design status. So, as I indicated, we've addressed all the mass
DOT chapter 85 review comments and we're currently preparing the final bridge design for submission um planned for the end of this week. On the bridge rightway um construction easement status, we have we have prepared the preliminary rightway
plans were completed. Um, we've drafted a easement agreement and it's being distributed for review between town officials and Mass Autobond and they're currently communicating again with each other with regard to um the language of
those ements and just basically a formal going back and forth. We expect to have that done. We're we're hoping to get it done if not this week uh early in June. So what will happen is um those documents will exist
the the preliminary the easement plan and the easement document and the easement I'll call it deed for lack of other description but the easement agreement um but ultimately before you can execute those I think you know you'll have to pass a article at town
meeting and then you'll have the authority to execute so those documents will be in place when you're ready to execute them and then on the um the green infrastructure and low impact design. So, we went through, as you know, a couple on the earlier grants looking at
some pretty varying size, large scale, small scale suggestions at um the Laughing Brook site on the corner of Glendale Road and Main Street. And through coordination with both um town and Mass
Ottawan, we came up with a design that's I guess I'll say more realistic and easier to maintain by the highway department staff. Certainly something much smaller, very close to the rightway. um and still does achieve, you know, the goals of an objective of some pre-treatment. And
um while it's called a preliminary design, should the town wish to go forward with it, you could probably build it based off the plans that we have, it's it's not really anything structurally challenging, just grading and and basically building in a basin uh and add I would think from your
background in DPW highway, you understand the challenges in both sides. I do. So, I think you integrated that in. We did. Yeah. Um and so that's that's where we are listening to you know the not I know you know them just by asking the question but just for the record for the public
one is finding the space you know finding a body land owner is willing to let you go on their land um but then also once you do that um it becomes something that the the town is responsible for maintaining and that in itself is a challenge is through forces
of manpower of all the things they have to maintain already and So, it needs to be something that can be easily maintained, you know, a few hours, um, just a couple of times a year and also something where you can see it all the time. You know, you don't want something
big off the road where you're not even you don't know if there's a problem because you can't see it like a retention pond or something that's just buried and then you're responsible for cleaning it out. Right. Correct. And and what this is is infiltration for bay. So, it's would be something that wouldn't hold water for a long enough period to be like a mosquito thread or
something like that. um but would provide that treatment. Uh and so just to talk about the design, it minimizes impacts of the mass autoan sanctuary, which is important because that's natural heritage and endangered species uh habitat as well. Something that's easy
to inspect and maintain. And um that design has been um submitted already uh was submitted at the end of last week. And this is uh this next slide is just a graphic illustration of it.
Someday someday we'll get it. I don't know why this keeps doing this. I know, right? So, it's a small little basin just kind of tucked in that corner of Glendale Road and and Main Street. Uh, it it may
even look bigger in the graphics than it is in real life, but or it is conceptually, it's probably about the size of this. Mhm. Because this tree is not being taken.
So, the water that goes in there, Steve, is from roadway or from further up? It would come from the roadway. We would redirect it to catch basin just to the right where that arrow is. Capture it before it goes to the brook basically. Okay. Y [Applause]
um now just to chat a little about the outreach videos. Um, so the intent of the outreach videos is to document Henman's MVP journey and it funded three videos and the videos are intended to serve as a resource both for the community and for MVP and other
communities to be able to see the similar challenges in their community that your community has and and how they might be able to address them um for themselves as well. And just to talk about the videos, the next slide please. The first video
is referred to um as mother nature knows best and that's strengthening Hampton's infrastructure with naturebased solutions. That video we did not watch tonight. That video is approximately 18 minutes and 50 seconds long. Video two
was the second video we watched tonight and that's called um bridges coverts and watersheds. Oh my. And it speaks to Handon's MVP journey. It's approximately 21 minutes long. And then the uh first video we watched is the trailer. So that's why
you saw a little bit of repetition because it kind of mixes in um cuts from both videos. And then if anyone wishes to um watch the videos, they're available on the Hamlin Project website um which not only has all the videos, but everything that's been done um
through the MVP process through the last two MVP grants. There's there's also another host website that um deals with your first MVP grant where you were paired up with the um Long Meadow. So, the two are kind of separate. We didn't
want to carry Long Meadow through Hammond and his journey. And this is just information with regard to the project website. Is there anything that you would like to add, Perry, with regard to So, Perry is our producer of the video. Sorry if I'm
using the wrong timing. That's right. And um great job. We've worked with Perry before a few years ago when I was with the town of Spencer. Anything you want to add, Perry? Well, it was a a really wonderful experience to come I live up in Ammerst and to come down to Hampton and learn about the town and see
how the different uh groups within the community are working together really to like to take care of Hampton first and foremost and and to pay like put out there like the concerns that they have. Um, what really stood out for me is there's the infrastructure, but in
talking with Mark uh, Langon, I I I said to him that, you know, I really want, uh, infrastructure and public works to be highlighted in all these videos. And he said, yes, public infra public infrastructure and especially public works is something where not a lot of
young people are going into. And these videos I can see being used as an educational tool just to get young people interested in their community, interested in the work that you're doing. And it's just a matter of um getting those eyes on on these stories
um for the youth and the uh green infrastructure part of the project really uh holds a place in uh in my heart because I grew up in pee Massachusetts and peeved has a bunch of flooding issues and only when they put in the retaining ponds and cleaned out
the culverts and pulled out old cars out underneath PB Square did they really get a hold of uh these flooding issues. As a kid, I never even knew that uh the the North River flowed through that town. And the Scantic River, I'm sure everybody's familiar with it, but uh
these rivers and the watersheds that run through our town, they they really uh they provide so much quality of life to young people and to old people alike. And I think that these these videos um I would like to think that they help draw
attention to not only the infrastructure but the watersheds and the things that you can do to like to help both along. And the work that I see being done in Salem, just a very modest little uh rain garden runs for a whole commercial
district area and it captures all that rainwater before it goes into the North River. And what I see that doing for the community is really special. And it's something that I would have loved to have seen when I was a kid walking around seeing people from all walks of
life participating uh with sort of the the the lead the lead group which is uh Salem Sound Coastwatch. All these volunteers come in three times a year and they just clean that whole area up and it makes this one area that used to
be like dilapitated, run down, just a pleasure to be in. And they're putting condos up all around now. I mean, it is a desirable place. But I think this green infrastructure really has plays a huge role in why people want to live in these areas. Well, I think by putting the light on it, it's kind of like that
old adage, nobody wants to know how sausage is made. Everybody enjoys it when it's done. Yeah. Yeah. This is the background to how we the infrastructure that people in town enjoy. That's right. But nobody knows about it. You brought the light to it. I think that's well appreciated. So, thank you.
Now, the hard talk is what next? What's it going to cost? I mean, did the grant cover everything we've done so far? The grant has covered everything that you've done so far. Um, so the the design will be completed and now it's a matter of of coordinating with a combination of
Pioneer Valley Planning Commission and the PVC MVP MO and the district bridge engineer to try to get it programmed and and funded on the on the tip. Well, that was our hope. I mean, we talked about the tip before. Then we have I believe the other bridge, the Rocket Dundy
Bridge has been submitted by the state. They submitted on our behalf, I guess, for the TIP program. But we've been told that we're not limited to one tip application at a time. No, no, it's it's 100% the it's still they'll stand alone
and they'll be considered alone, you know, versus with regard to their condition, you know, and and that's obviously still a priority because of your emergency services if you lose it. Well, I think this is should be a much higher priority. We talked about the fact that the Rockadundy came out of
nowhere and nobody had any thought of any problem with it. So this is the parody along with the obviously the Ballard Brook smallbridge thing that we're going through with the state, right? But that's totally separate from you're doing. We're hoping that that
grant will cover the vast majority of that cost and the small bridge program. Understood. I'm not familiar with those costs obviously, but it's 500. So it's not you're in the three to four range on this, right? I you know I should have looked at the estimate before I came
here. I think we're closer to three than four. I like that. But like you go back to nobody understands. I mean I think Don we have the headarters of the Miller River here in the western part of town and nobody knows that's there. It's like a hidden hidden part of it. I didn't
realize that. Yeah. know where it is in Northampton. I would have thought it would have been Yeah. there. So, what's our next step? Your next step is is saying all the things you just said to me really to
mass DOT and a bridge engineer. Um the the bridge program trickles down more from Mass DOT to the NPOS's, right, than vice versa. You know, if assuming you've been to one or more NO meetings, they discuss the roadway projects a lot more
and that's when they vote and deliberate. The the bridge projects are more delivered by mass DOT, meaning the decision on which ones are program is more mass DOT driven than MO driven. Well, I was attending some of those meetings back in the Bob day and I really appreciate you working with Bob
Markle on getting this started along, but some of those Zoom meetings on the rocket dundy thing with 40 engineers on the screen. You almost need a second monitor to get everybody on there. Mut review. So, there you go. And I'm a little worried that that's been dragging on for two years and they haven't even
got we just did the little rightway thing for the survey. the time frame for this. I mean, we're talking about I was here during the 2005 flood when the bridge was overflowed and the town was cut in half just like what you're warning about now, right? And the
chances of 20 years later something more severe happening and it seems like we're balancing when this can get done versus the danger the possible danger coming along. What do you envision time frame for this in terms of the state acting on
our tip application? That's very unpredictable. You know, it kind of varies based on community and condition of the bridge. I feel like they should prioritize. Prioritize is a good word. Okay. Um and I don't think it's something that should really drag
on just based on the condition of the bridge. You're getting your inspection reports and each one is it's a little worse than the last one. You know, this time next last time you had to put barrels out there. I think that has to help us. If they directed us to do that, then they acknowledge there's a
deficiency. Correct. Right. And um that's really, you know, just because it's snow doesn't mean you don't go back in in another month or you go, you know, perhaps over the district bridge engineer's head and go to the state bridge engineer, Alex
Bardau, and potentially ask them. But but the best way is and this is based on I've been involved with the MBO and your position as the Tom before is dealing with the district bridge engineer and just making them aware of all the things that you said that this is really our priority
over over all of these other bridges. You know the message is obvious your emergency services would be cut off if you lose Main Street to the other side of the town. And your point is that this checks two boxes, bridge deficiency and then whatever you want to call it, the
vulnerability part of it as well. So it's not just one thing, it's both things. they will recognize those things because um like your South Street bridge that got a small bridge grant, the the the effect that it has on emergency response is a major factor when they're
um prioritizing bridges and the possibility of that bridge having an effect on emergency services. um meaning that it's deteriorated to the point to where something's going to happen and and you know if you wait longer then you are going to have an
effect on emergency services is what I mean not only the not only the delay that it would cause but the potential likelihood is what I'm trying to say. Okay. Hope that helps. So they'll send us a check next week. I I wish I could say
that. I've had some like, you know, in my community, I had one that literally took 20 years, but it wasn't as bad a condition as this. Okay. You know, and it's it basically got to a condition similar to this when finally we got it programmed. Right. I mean, the thing you talked about and Brian as well, and
you're aware of funding challenges we have, you know, Don and I have been and Craig of course when he was here have been facing some large projects on the horizon both moving the town hall, the fire station, repair buildings, etc. and everything has to be prioritized in some
way. We have to put this on the board, you know, is it here, here, here, here, whatever. All of those messages help because they'll, you know, they'll often times first answer, well, you own the bridge, you know, use your tether money, you want to use this money. You also have arguments that you've had all of
those things you've had to do when you didn't even mention, plus you have the water work, right, and the POS and associated with that. And those are all driving your rates up, right? Every I I haven't seen what your warrant article is like, but I it sounds I think all of these things are causing a
warrant article action, some type of adjustment to your But as you said, because of your your your you know, use of it in the past, both in your prior life, so to speak. Chapter 90 comes nowhere close to what we need to get done here. We're barely keeping up with road work when they keep it flat and the
cost materials goes up. You know, you did 40 miles last year, you do 38 this year, you do 36 the year next, you know, right? Chapter 90 isn't your answer because you have to stop doing work for 10 years. Exactly. Good enough. Chapter 9 hold right now. And then the price of the bridge has gone up by then,
probably. Right. We're willing to get a used bridge if somebody has one, you know. The um they're looking to fund more bridges. They're always trying to do bridge projects, you know. I think it's just a matter of getting that message out to
the the planning commission and and the district and district who's the main decision maker but you can use one kind of against the other if you don't think one is hearing your message if you don't think the bridge section is here in your okay are we taking the lead on the
application next are you still guiding us through that that would be more on the town it's not really an application process um you can file I don't you can use the map it and request it through that way and I guess that that could be
considered an application process. Um, and that's pretty easy and straightforward to use. Um, I'm not sure if Mark or the town administrator controls that primarily or both. That should be easy to use to initiate some communications with the
district. But my suggestion would be on the phone talking to the district bridge engineer or stopping by his office if you have a report. I was going to say that I think face to face somewhere. Where are they located? They're located up in um Northampton. Easy trip for Brian. Good. Yeah.
He lives in Southampton. Perfect. Yeah. Right off of 91. I don't I know what the exit is, but it's it's right there on the Is it King Road? King King Street or King Street? Yeah, it's right parallel to 91 right there. Okay. Yeah. I know it's north of exit 18, but how
far? I don't know. Well, you've been working on this for quite a while. You know, you and Mary have been the lead on this project that we've that we've seen. And I have to say, we have to thank you for the attention you've given to it. Um, appreciate appreciate working with
you all. Um, it's been a good project. We've enjoyed working on it. We really hope you get it funded and and see it built. Um, always available to answer any questions when you're dealing with any of those parties. I talk to them about it, too. I see some of those people unofficially in different
settings. Uh I haven't seen the district bridge engineer in a couple years, but I've seen um the the your local aid people and some of your other district um project engineers and um meaning the um the the project engineer um and lease
mentioned to him that the town, you know, has this design and trying to get it funded. I think we'd be remiss if we didn't thank the Ottabon as well. I mean, working with Jonah, etc., are the people there, Tom. You know, they've been tremendous partners in this whole thing. We couldn't do this if they
weren't cooperating with us in the first place, 100%. If they weren't cooperating, we it would be so much more difficult, right? You you you have to access their land in one way or another to to be even be able to build the bridge, right? And then also with the MVP process, you have to have those
other factors involved, the resiliency, the water quality type components. and um without them you wouldn't have been able to bring in some of those aspects into the project to get to get to where you are right now. Anything else? Brian. So Brian, you're
ready to move ahead. Yep. And your shovel. Talk to Mark. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Nice. Nice seeing you all. Thank you. Giving you I'm nominating you for an award. Some kind of award. I'm telling you. Really good. Really good. That drone works. My
But I mean the cutting and pasting was perfect. You know, I don't know why you cut Don and I out of really new shirts. We had everything. Even got a haircut and all. Both of them. Both of them. Wow. I got both of them cut. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
you again. Chief, do you have something for us? I do, sir. There's someone for us. Here, move these around here. I'm going to turn these chairs around. Get some get some help in here. I'm going to I'm going to move the laptop now. I'm going
to switch this plug back over. What are you doing? Don't worry. We're off We're off screen. So, good evening, select board. Good evening. I am uh here to ask for an appointment of a new sergeant. As uh as you know um we had a resignation of an
officer who was a sergeant back in December and we started the process for the um sergeant. Uh according to our policy we have an exam which four officers within the agency asked to take it which were qualified. Uh all four of
them passed the exam. Uh then we went into an interview process which was um myself, Sergeant Ivonne, Sergeant Cooney and uh the chief uh Chief Steven Kslowski from Mson Police Department. Uh we did an interview process off of the interview the exam uh and then looking
into their personnel file. Um there is a point proc there's a point uh system that's put into place. Uh and uh the top two candidates that got scored the highest points as you can see before you are uh Jeff Bey and Jason Roth. Uh then it goes off of that for the other two
candidates. Um according to uh the exam, the education which Jeff here does have a bachelor's degree, his attendance, his seniority of 12 years, which is including his part-time reserve work with us, job performance, and the interview. He scored a
92.4. Uh excuse me, he scored a 94.7. Uh and then the other candidate scored a 92.4. Uh it'll be our recommendation of the um committee to recommend Jeff Bey as our next sergeant for the Hampton Police Department, which I think um he's
done his due diligence in leadership classes over the last couple years. He was very close as you guys remember uh in the last one that we appointed in 2023. Uh and he just missed that. He went ahead and uh did some leadership classes uh settled in and I think he's going to be a great leader for our
agency. So I'd ask for your recommendation. You want the job? I do, sir. Okay. Just checking. He's not forcing you into it or not, sir. Okay, great. How many years you been with or I've been uh full-time for eight years here? 12 overall as a reserve officer as well.
I mean, we have the recommendations done. We've got the family here. Got the stripes already. Get the We didn't have the cake, but we do have cookies. So, you know, thank you. I would like to uh endorse the chief's recommendation to appoint Officer Bey as a sergeant.
Is that a motion? That is a motion. Second. Any further discussion? No further discussion on my part, sir. All right. You got anything to say? Nope. Oh, great. All in favor? I I
Congratulations. Thank you. Can we get a photo with the family? We always want a photo. We always want a photo op. We know that, right? Well done. Four. I tell you, four passing. Pretty impressive. No, that was very uh What was the number this They dug in. What was the number this year? 70. 70.
Wow. Still 70s and 80s. So, we need a picture over here. Come on. Everybody's coming in next to the sergeant here. Come on, Sergeant. You've been in enough pictures already. I'm good, thanks. I don't do stills anymore. Oh, I just
Yeah, I know. You're in. I just do videos. Did they do you guys want to get around dad? Absolutely. Got you in there, sir. Everybody go left or right so they're looking go first.
Take me a while. I'm ready. There you go. There we go. All right, congratulations. Thanks. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Thank you. [Music] [Music]
[Laughter] Those are good ones. Those are good meetings. All right. All right. Now we got They got all kinds. There's a rumor you're leaving. Yeah, there's a rumor. The yard needs to be done. The wife wants the house.
There's a lot to do. Really? Let me tell you after after I gave her my retirement. I thought the list is getting really big. I still got to go in though. But you're Yeah. All right.
What's the deal? [Music] All right. July 17th. July. Yeah. Okay. I thought I did July 17th. So, okay. So, yeah. So, July 17th, I would uh um I am expecting
that to be my last day. Mhm. Expecting it or like uh it is um it's going to be my last day. You sure? Um sure. You have any consideration? Wait, what's the replacement process? So,
we've been a few different uh ways over the last uh several years. Um so, um the most recent that we had when I before I became chief, uh the board uh opted to do an interimm chief uh for the period of time, well, the interimm chief looked
at the uh inside of the agency to find out if there was any candidates that were qualified to become our next chief. Um, Chief Mar, right? Chief Maris, retired, right? Uh, so there's an interimm uh, chief services that's out there that's sponsored through Mass Chiefs. Um, which we could we could do
that. Uh, we can appoint a uh, acting chief if there was a uh, a feel for that by our uh, board. Um, and uh, then there's a process that we have to look to for for searching for a new chief. And uh, does post have anything
to do with this? I mean, is there like a sort of chief certification or So, a chief is certified through post. Um, they do certify our our chief. So, what we're going to be looking for is a chief that's going to be certified. It's all after it's all after. So, so
usually it's it's based on the um A through H the alphabet of their last name is. So, uh me I'm certified to 2027 um because I'm a T. Um, so there's A through H's that their certification of the first three years is expiring on 2026. So if we find someone with the
last name of A through H, then that chief is going to be up for uh a reertification, which usually comes down through the town administrators involved. And it's a a list of questions. Make sure that they've completed their inservice. Uh make sure that they've uh um done their online or
in-person inservice, done any type of inhouse training for firearms first responders. Uh and then um they have been a prior police officer that's been accepted or already certified once before. So post does have to say, you
know, obviously at some point in the way, but you're talking about a lateral chief move, somebody who's already a chief, right? We're talk I think now somebody who was, you know, we're voting to chief and they have to have some kind of certification before they we're all post-certified. Okay. Okay. So, so if
you were to step up to become a chief, then at the time of your last name coming, you would be certified as a chief at that point in time. Okay? So, currently any officer that's certified through post would come through the chief of police who or my design, I would certify them. Uh, if you're a
chief of police through the town administrator, manager, and I select board are the ones who are the bosses that would make sure that that certification. So, so Brian here would be signing off on the chief certification. Bob Marle signed off on mine. Is it different than just a police
officer? That's the question. No. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. We're all police officers in Massachusetts recognized by post certified police officers. You're just actually the chief of police has the same questions that are asked of you. Uh and the same status, right?
Okay. Okay. All right. So So now you're allegedly leaving on July 17th. Have we accepted that? No, we have not. I didn't think so. No. So we need to talk to Mrs. Promley about this. So I'm thinking of the time the I
think one of the reasons the last time we got a uh inim chief was because we only had I believe two weeks notice. Was it two weeks notice? Pretty short notice. There was um I I saw there's a 30 there was a 30-day window and the mine went 60-day
window and there's other I think we changed the contract to 60 days but it's still board changed it to do a thorough job I think it is a short window 51 days 51 days I did uh communicate with um you
know depending where the board's looking to go you know there there are assessment centers out there there are interviews that are just done as per se by the board of selectmen of putting out something and in and the generalized posting of of of either full-time really like I mean we're going to be looking
for another full-time officer and it's bringing in the cont bringing in the resumes reviewing them and trying to put someone on right away before someone else takes them. Chief's a little bit different. Uh the individuals who are applying for a chief want to come over to that community whether they're a captain, a lieutenant or a sergeant from
another agency and lead in a way. So they're they're coming to and applying to here. they're not looking to jump all over the place. So, there's that 30-day window uh that they've set suggested that you put out for approximately 30 days, could be less, and see what you got for your candidates. Uh and then
choose to do an assessment center if you wanted to uh or uh we could uh obviously have committ independent uh yes group. So, assessment centers are independent groups. Uh there are a few of them out
there. uh they range anywhere from that uh 6,000 to 12,000 $13,000 depending what you want done. You could have a full-blown search which they come in and push it out to out of state, instate um
uh any other um New England chiefs just all over the place. Then they come in and they do the whole process and come to the board with three or four candidates u or the top two candidates. Then there's a part that the town administrator and the board can get together, put out a general job
description of what we're looking for in a chief, what qualifications we're looking in achief, degrees and years of service and rank. Uh have interviews and then you could come down to three or four candidates that you have applied that you're interested. go through an
assessment center which would bring you through complaints brought into the agency budgeting um a whole line of of stuff that you we would want our chief to to have for qualifications and then um you make that pick at that point of
the top candidate sort of like our point structure and it has been set up here. That's a process. One thing, Don, you know, with the way the board is right now, I'm loath on some of these things here to do some things before we get our third member because this is a big step
for the town and should we have that input at the same time, which almost would lead back to again what we did last time, an interim, somebody we appoint that is probably not interested in the full-time job, which is good. So, it was last time worked out great, I
thought. Right. So, so what what happens with the interim services are a um retired chief of police that comes uh that's been retired for 2 to three years that's still somewhat knowledgeable and active about all the requirements and commitments. Do they have to be post to
act in this capacity? Yes. Still have to have a still have their post certification that's going on right now. Uh and they're knowledgeable enough that you just got out of a job that they would be asked to come over. Um I did a little bit of research. Uh there's a few local chiefs in our western Mass that's
recently retired over the last one, two, three years that may be interested. Uh if that's something the direction the board would like to go, I can uh certainly speak with the uh executive director of Mass Chiefs who would contact him and see if we have somebody um out east about a 2 and 1/2 hour ride.
We have a few more chiefs that have uh uh retired and probably would be maybe interested in available and they try to fit the small town atmosphere of those chiefs that just retired recently like say if there was someone retired from Upton that's very similar in our size that's who they would be looking to get
the travel might be the travel could be could be an issue uh if you know and so there are a couple that are out there um you know is that a direction you think you might want to look at Don yeah my I mean my concern is if if True. We're getting a new board member the
23rd, first meeting the 24th, 4th of July. We have another resignation of a sergeant. Yes, we do. You're leaving the 17th, right? We got two new sergeants, maybe. Yes, we And that's one of the things that one old sergeant. Oh, I mean
older wouldn't have been here. Yeah. Um Yeah. And that's one of the things. We've got a younger leadership team that's coming in that's hopefully they're going to be working good and well together as they come together and move our agency forward. So, you know, the timing with with that with that two
sergeants getting a little feet a little wet and then we're we're jumping into a new new chief also at that time. Um but probably not a bad thing for timing for a new chief to come in with the leadership ways of they want to move our
agency forward. Um but you're right, timing is is is all over that. I mean there there are also I mean you know uh in the past there has been acting uh chiefs that have been put into that position uh coming from internal which we've had uh and you know
but but all due diligence to the town the officers in the department and all that uh we need to look at the big picture and is there any is there when you say a retired chief coming in do they have to be retired for a certain period before they can come in as
interim or no no you could have no It could. You're absolutely right. It could be me. So, we could make that agreement, too, and we can maybe talk about that. No, never know, right? You never know. You think about it, right? Yeah. I'm just throwing it out there like, well, but well, it doesn't mess up your I
mean, obviously this is part of our process. We got a big vacation and, you know, towards the end of July, you know, end of July, we go to vacation, but uh, you know, we could uh, you know, throw it out. Could you do that with your retirement? Uh, so with somebody a certain number of hours, right? So, so there's a certain amount of monies and
hours that equal out that you can do. Right. Right. I'm just I'm just thinking so for transition period wise. Well, that's what I'm thinking. I remember Bob's numbers would be nothing close to I mean, if say it took a month, it would be nothing close to impacting the maximum hours you can do. Right. Right.
Right. Separate contract. Right. But again, it would I hate to say it, it would solve quite a check off quite a few boxes right there. I definitely have to consider we throw it out there. You know, I throw it out there, right? It's it's something for discussion that because obviously, like I said, that
date is is a strong date and I've pretty much have leaned towards it. Um, now, you know, obviously if something like that were to come back, I probably would want to not be here again uh every day and that's what I'm trying to get away from and and trying to, you know, well,
then your vacation time at that point. You've got a trip planned. I've got X number of days, right? I got my I got my 10 days, right? So, but I mean that's no different than shoot. You get what? Five weeks now. Uh I've got six weeks now. Six weeks. So, it's no different than your vacation time during the year. Really? Right. So, I think it's
something for the board to consider at that point, too. There's there's a possibility. There's a possibility. Um but I still think you should reach out to some of the other retired chiefs and see if there'll be less stress on you, right? Because you're devoting to the family now. You promised them look step back and my time is yours. That's a
tremendous thing. Yeah. Just kidding. Well, that'll go over big. Yeah. Yeah. I might be living watching right now. I I might be living in a camper that I have. Anybody got an ADU? Can I put ADU? I can rent.
I can be your relative. All right. We got to think about this. So, so, so there are some there are some options there. Uh I can uh reach back out to Mass Chiefs um tomorrow and and literally see if there is someone uh interested that's in this area. I do know of a few chiefs that did retire
recently and and if they are that would begin a negotiation process with the board as we did before. So our options are acting which we'd appoint someone from inside the acting. We it would be our only sergeant we currently we did that we would we would appoint uh that
individual acting and then uh you would open up to do a uh look for a full-time permanent. Did we touch on I mean are we internally posting this or not? um done anything yet. No, no, but solely up to the board of what what they were
looking to do, right? I mean, uh EU may be uh yes or or no, right? Um it's it's just it's a discussion we can have obviously. Um acting or an interim or
what they call is it in interim or just or just deny this? Um yeah. Yeah, we couldn't. Yeah. Wow. Tough tough crowd. You should have probably give me more cookies to eat or something. I don't know. That's why we
keep the comments down the mouth. I'm on a sugar high now. Yeah, I I can see that. Yeah, I definitely. All right, we got to think about this, right? you're going to reach out and I I mean either way and then obviously that's for you know to do
what we got to do right now but then moving forward that's again another discussion has to have and come you're going to move forward on the sergeant thing we're going to get so so now we have a new sergeant who's going to stand his midnight shift uh and um
another sergeant retiring the sergeant's going to be retiring July 5th so what I'm with the permission of board I I was looking to put out a uh to hire a new full-time officer. Uh and once I get that new full-time officer put into place, uh we would look to go ahead and
actually offer the next sergeant's position to the second one because that's the way the policy does allow us from your list is good for 12 to 18 months, okay, between between the town and the union and that. So there's no reason to spend 25 $2,600 on a new exam
and start over. We got four candidates have passed and the structure is there. Okay. Uh and so that I'm I'm working on that. With your permission, I'll go ahead and put that ad in the paper this week. Look to find um pickings are probably going to be slim because there's a few agencies. Unfortunately,
state police is running another twomies. Uh there's a lot of movement. Um but Oh, you've had good luck in the past. We have this last one. I'm telling you, uh if we can get another one like this last one, I would be doing really well. So, uh, so be good there. Uh, and, um, then
we'll just have to decide, you know, what the plans are for interview process and then for achievement and for an assessment center if that's something you want to do or stay away from it and just, uh, go with your interviews and questions. Well, that type of thing, Don, I don't think we need to be waiting a lot on that on a new person, new
person. Yeah. Yeah. So, is this going to be keep it on the agenda type thing and touch on it next week? Yeah, we'll decide next week how we're going to proceed with the Okay. So, I'll work on the uh replacement of the new officer and I'll work on the um contacting contacts of of what else we have out
there if anything again, you know. So, thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. And then we'll vote on the letter. We'll let you know. We're going to hang it loose for a little while out there. Boy, Warren, I'm not sure. I just want to let you know that Jane never got
one. Yeah. Really? Never signed it. Did he signed it? Whoever sleep in it, you just kind of use their arm. That's their auto. They got the auto pen. Auto pen. They sign everything for a digital
pen. It's out there. Nice. Okay. So, was I done or you're done? I think I'm done. Stay for the next You're retired. Yeah, I would actually like to. I'd be interested to see what's going on. Here, take the bag with you. I'm going to sit over here. Open meeting. So,
sergeant, how we doing? Long time no see. All right. It's been like minutes. How many of those double poles they got gone? A lot. I counted 11 left. Yeah. Not that I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, I know. Saw you walking up and now with that blue that you know yellow jacket.
They did quite a bit on certainly had a good crew there. Oh boy. Yeah. How about How about the uh water thing? How they doing there? Good. It's It's moving. They're moving fast, too. Yeah. Yeah. I would expect they'll be done with Glendel Road probably next two days.
Really? Yeah, they're moving. It's an accomplished crew. Yes. Company. Yep. They work. All right. So, what's the deal here? What do you want? here. Well, just with with everything going on, um with the possibility of promoting or
hiring, given the uh way we wrote the educational incentive, I thought we should look at addressing a couple of the items. Um cuz potentially you could end up paying like we did this past time with
with the uh because of the date for that. Um there was some question with Sergeant Cooney whether he was going to receive his uh stipen for uniform allowance. Um so
we wanted to try and hash it all out and figure out where we stand with all that. in terms of because I recall the last time this came up and this goes back to I think Sergeant Henry who also re maybe a before your time will also retired
after July 1st and got his at that time. So I didn't this was really a question and honestly that neither did I honestly that's why it's done. Right. Right. So correct, you get your vacation time, you get your everything that's in the thing because you were there part of the year. Again,
he just asked me to bring it up because there was some question. So we wanted to make sure Well, it's not prorated. I think it's it's a statement. Correct. Yeah. And if we did it higher, that person we'd have to fund the next person inside that year
probably. Correct. What are you talking about? The education department. Good. Who's got an education part problem? No, you're saying if if Mike No, we're talking about the uniform allowance. Oh, we are. Yeah. I thought you said in the emails there was a couple different there was a couple
different topics. Um Well, if the guy's retiring on on the 5th of July and the 4th of July is a holiday, he needs a new uniform for three days. Well, again, it was it was done for the stipen or the or the draw account. You
guys are killing me because because we changed to the cash versus receipts, right? But again, I mean, is vacation, he's entitled to the holidays. So, the way I'm looking at the contract, he should be entitled to it.
So, that was So, instead of the other part, which is thousands, you're here for 1,500. What is it? Well, I think it's two separate issues. So, this past hire, we hired a somebody in March, July
one, he's getting the educational center of 15 grand. So, my understanding was there was some issue with that. We should probably prrate it for the first year higher. So, somebody's not getting a huge chunk on July 1 um when they've
only been here like 3 months. So, we were talking about prorating the first year to make it fair for the town for the educational incentive. You know, like the Quinn bill, you work your first year and then it's paid. So, that's prrated. We never
when we did the educational incentive. We never thought about this, prorated it, but technically technically it's a bon bonus after prior service, so to speak. It's in it's in l basically as an acknowledgement of prior service, right, with the education. So, I mean, we're
open to trying to make it fair for the town. Couple the You just want What's the other thing you got? Oh, what? We got a problem with the IT stuff. Yes. Nobody saw that coming. So, here we
are. So, now we got a There's really nobody of the caliber to handle the major IT stuff. So, um, we talked last time about reaching out to Tony and see if there was a an amount a we had x
number of dollars put aside for the IT person. Yes. Could that amount be used to basically sublet whatever you want to say to the uh regional dispatch and have their person come over and handle things. A lot of it's done remotely as
well too, right? Remoting in. Yes, there is there is there is that option. There's a lot of different options. The bottom line is the contract calls for it to be two two offices two officers and right well we didn't think that was going to be an issue we also have to be qualified
well again yeah right but the contract says one thing so that's why I'm saying we should look at it and change the words correct it all right well that's possible okay um would you rate that as something again we're talking about waiting for a full board is that something that's so critical we can't
wait a month no I don't think so I think I you I think it can wait. I'm just saying we should be aware of it given with the new hires coming up and the it there's going to be issues so we need to and has to you know this is just my
opinion so I have to take it to the group and explain why you know bringing it up. So great. Well I think all all three of these could wait till the I think that's what I'm thinking. Yeah. you know, well, we got to do the 24th and we have to make a decision in a
week, right? The other thing is we already know we're going to have a bit of a financial issue anyhow. So, all this will impact that which will happen in October. So, we it's all going to be lumped together in terms of how we budget for it. Well, and obviously retirements that weren't budgeted for
are going to be have to be right. Well, we got to solve the uniform thing and we got to solve the uh education thing, language on the Quinn on the educational. Yeah. Because if we're hiring somebody fairly quickly, I
mean, in theory, it won't be that big of a difference because they'll be here say in August or whatever the case may be. So, we're talking about a month, but if we get further down the road, we could run into the same issue continually someplace else some with somebody else.
Right. Right. Okay. Right. All right. So, yeah. I mean, right. You're you're saying that under the interpretation that's always been even the person hired in August would not qualify for the claim because they had not completed he would qualify. It would just be prrated
for the following. No, but I'm saying the other the old interpretation was it was a pay for the previous year of service you're getting here. And this goes back to a conversation we had back in the day with Jeff was taking monthly. I think you're talking about
educational. Well, you're talking about Quinn versus educational. So Quinn is Quinn is done. I know that. But that's how we were we kept so to speak the thought about the Quinn part even though we're funding the whole thing alto together. And back when we were doing half and half, it was still treated that
way. You know, Quinn paid half up until Yes. year of whatever 2005. Right. But if we're hiring someone in August, then they wouldn't get paid till July 1. So they would have those they would get paid those months that they were here. Whereas now they're getting the full
vote, right? Pro rate. I see what you're saying. So they're not going to get their Quinn money in this county year, but as of July 1st, as of July 1st of the following year, talking about the education, I know July 1st of the following year, they'd get 10 months of
educational incentive. Okay. That's why I want to clear. Yes. Okay. All right. Because otherwise you could end up having 30 grand and unexpected. Got it. Yeah. Right. All right. We Okay. We'll let you know on the uh uniform stuff
or everything. We haven't we haven't decided first heard of it. We'll first heard of it. So, we'll talk about it next by next week. I We got time to do that, right? We do. Yeah. I'm just like I said he wanted me to bring forward. So, I All right. Thank you, sir. All
right. Don't you want to talk about that halfill cruiser that was 160 and they kept it in service? I thought we could buy it back. Why did you have one? All right. What else we got here? We got the
TWWB service agreements. Yeah. I wanted to talk quickly about that. That's the kindly old ladies there. [Music] So, In the course of my discussions with uh Herb Foley, the the U facilities
person TWWB, he mentioned to me that the district was going to terminate service agreements with their vendors at the building. So they have uh agreements with uh uh Big Oil Power, which does the generator, and they have um agreements
with well design. I think they're out of Vlong Meadow. Well, wall design we currently use for the alarm systems in town already. I think that's uh John Sabula maybe is the guy who does that. So it would make sense that he chap like chap I'm saying the guy ran but I'm saying it makes sense that we could
easily add him to our current right fleet of buildings. The generator one though since we have contracts with I say it was Kingsley or somebody that does the two we have here. Should we move that one so we have basically one company looking over all three
generators rather than splitting it to another? Possibly. I guess I would want to talk to Herb a little bit more. I think the generator is a little bit more complex than the other ones. Oh, we're going to have actually a fourth one online, you know, that they're looking over. So, I think it's worth exploring
with the current company. Is this a model you would Okay, I can I Yeah. Um, the next service due on the one at TWWB would be se according to this company that they currently use the global will be September. Is it usually twice a year? I think here twice a year annual
maintenance. Um, I just want to be careful that we don't let some of these laps and I'm meeting with uh welldesigned I was going to meet with them tomorrow but they pushed it back to the next first week of June to talk about I mean the cameras obviously know are not great there or camera I don't
want to say too much but the cameras there um you know and the fire and security systems are are things that I think we probably want to keep keep in service. Mhm. Um, so I'll reach out to Kinsley and then I have you I included the uh the service agreement for this
big oil power so we can see if uh what we want to do with that at the next meeting probably. I mentioned before I still would like to have a conver conversation with Tony at some point a both about you know where we stand with the dispatch agreement. You know, we've been asking before, is there any opportunity now that we've gone to a
three- town system to go back to the state for maybe a re-upping? And secondly, if dispatch is looking over our buildings, is there any opportunity through them to get a bit of a camera or alarm system as well? Yeah.
Okay. But I mean, we're supposed to have those quarterly meetings. I think of the dispatch committee. Do you go or has just been Scott? I'm not notified of those. I think it's supposed to be the administrator, the chief police have to look at the contract. Yeah.
And I know we just been the last year. What happens after 5 years? What is the next year, Bill? We have to negotiate with So, we need to start talking about that pretty soon, right? Negotiate with him. Yeah. That should be good.
You know, well, that goes Okay, I move the new member does it. Okay. Um, Mr. Happy over here. So, the end of the year schedule I I I put that on there because um we got to meet with advisory about transfers. We
got to sign all you know all appointments. Um, what else we have? I forgot. Yeah, advisory is the divisor is the big thing transfer type things. Yeah, Lauren has to, I think, reach out to the committees and figure out, you know, do
you want to be reappointed? Basically, you know, you ask them first and um do you want me to bring up that board of health thing or talk to Brian about it? Brian, you want to discuss that board of health thing? Which one's that?
The trans ticket, the sticker. Oh, yeah. All right. We got to do some research on that. Uh Mark does not have a quote yet on the uh refurbing the landing at this point, but I still think we're going to be able to fit inside the budget. We have
now good. Um I have no I have no reports. I have no reports. Well, I do have a report. We the planning committee meet met and we had a a lively discussion about
paying for capital improvements at Oh, I saw that the Thornton W Thornton W B is the fourth I mean Wilham Middle School and uh it was unproductive as our past meetings have been to put it mildly. Summary. Yeah.
Summary. Well, it didn't it was just unproductive. It wasn't like off the rails, per se. Yet, I will say that. All right, we're doing minutes. We got
some minutes here. Yeah. One one [Music] minutes from sometime. April 28th. What was it? April 28th. Really? April 28th. Oh yeah.
Okay. Uh we met with the master plan committee regarding the master plan who uh accept the master plan. I bet you there's a lot of that's all about master plan
recreation. We went through the we went through the advis the budget with the advisory committee. We did some uh one day alcohol license requests. We discussed the rock into summer parks and recreation department.
They're going to it's they're going to have it but no alcohol um let's see and that's about it. Motion to approve. Second with release. All in favor? I Okay, we have a TA report.
Yeah. Um, so we're closing out the uh fire station generator project. That generator's online. Um, we just need to close out the permits. Got the final inspection from the engineer done. Um, like you just mentioned, we're putting together the FI26 board appointments.
Lauren's working hard on the FI26 insurance renewals. Um, water district. Uh, the project's moving along forward. You're still collecting right of entry forms from property owners to have permission to
connect to the system. Is that about right, John? Yeah. Very well. Um, we're still looking for resolution on that one. The one we knew of that said, I don't want you on the property at all even to get water or put
filtering on that. We need something back from D that we can basically take them off the list. That's still out there. Yeah. Okay. Still a lingering question. Yep. Um I did follow up today with the highway union cuz we don't have I have not been both of them. Yeah, we one one
remaining. Um I reached out to them today to see what was going on with that cuz I haven't heard anything. So um we'll see. And and um a little while back you
recall that uh Mark filed to certify the uh snow some of his temporary snowplow positions is seasonal with the department of unemployment so that we wouldn't have to pay the employment fees and that was denied and the appeal hearing is um the appeal hearing is June
1st. So that's virtual so I'll mark on that. Why they deny it? No idea. um it seemed to meet all the criteria that that was required for certifying a seasonal position. So, we'll find out at the hearing why they why they denied it.
Couple meetings at TWWB coming up. Um going to have a discussion with uh Entree and Bim over at TWWB and walk through the building, what needs to be done there. Did we ever get a list from them for I don't recall seeing it sit
with Jane for what they want FY26 like you know usually had a list of computer replacements things like that here. Um the moon shouldn't affect that cuz that's all loose stuff. No, we shouldn't. Right. I I I think I've seen one. I don't know if it's recent. Um I
will talk to I think Jolene is going to be there tomorrow. So Okay. remember that I see things that you know 10 is going to be officially out and not off the books and not supported and they had a list before of some computers they're still running 10 need to go to 11. Yeah, there is there are those. Yeah, for
sure. That's all I got. Oh, do you want to do you want to make a motion for the sign the election warrant? Oh, I'll make a motion that we sign the election warrant which we've already done. Yes, which you've already done.
Second. Any discussion? Uh, my significant. All in favor? I use pencil or pen. Okay. We only have to sell one of those. Yeah. How many you need? Don't we have to like five over? Yeah. Motion to
adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I push the button. We are done.