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I think it it should be >> my test just That's true. Maybe you could try that. >> Does someone want to like talk into it? >> I mean, it's picking it up. >> She said she can hear it. >> Okay. So, we're recording and we're ready to go.

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>> Okay. >> All set. >> Yeah. Open the meeting for >> April 15th. April 15th. >> What do you have for the time? >> First minutes. That's that piece.

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Oh, that tree is good. Sorry. I'll make a motion to accept the minutes for March 18th. Second. All in favor? >> Greg, did you second? Not Greg. Sorry. >> Yeah, >> I did. Oh, you did.

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>> I >> That's okay. I called uh Joe Jason today. My son's name. >> So, I don't know if you heard me, but that tree in the scantic. >> Yeah, >> it's gone.

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>> Yeah, I know. It's not going to cause. >> So, what are we going to do first? >> Were you the Glendale bro? Okay. So, this this was more I think we could start with you because it's it seems to be a little bit quicker. Um, but yeah. Do you want to just tell the commission like the issue and everything and kind

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of lay it out? >> Sure. It's multiart. Um just in general around the town there's >> state your name. >> Sure. >> Ethan Leis 542 Glendale Road. >> Um around the town is clearly a ton of

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Japanese barbar bushes. And of course if they go through their full season, you're talking about hundreds upon hundreds of additional barbar bush plants that sprout up. It's a compounding issue. Uh I personally have

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protected I guess by the creek or riverfront 100 foot uh back layback that is riddled with Japanese barbery and uh just want to know if there's anything that can be done for the public to incentivize getting rid of this or any

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programs that we can that can be started to discuss. It's obviously a very deep problem. These are deep rooted bushes. Um, I mean, even if we're talking about assembling volunteer crews and having somebody more specialized manning them,

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that's great. But just, uh, generally speaking, curious about the resources available for someone to deal with invasive species on the land, especially when it comes to conservation. I don't know if there's anything

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you have any idea. >> No, for um in how to get rid of it or resources to get rid of it for you. >> I mean, it's both. It's definitely a town problem though. It sucks up lots of

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resources. It's a highly competitive and again spreads like wildfire. So the longer that you don't deal with Japanese barber the station, the worse and worse and worse it gets. >> Is it um just curious is it you know how

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the town owns like I don't know 10 ft of your property something like that. Is it on town owned property? >> I don't believe I'm not sure what the town owns. is not sure what the legalities are, but it's within the 100 foot setback region where you can't do

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any work. >> You have the river. >> Yeah, there's a creek on my property. >> Uh I don't know. if you're on >> but yeah as far as we know there's no

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like specific state or local you know monetary fund to help with this unfortunately I wish there was you know >> um >> but really you know the only way to deal with barbar Japanese barbar is to rip it out and kind of establish like a a

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monitoring plan which you know has to be done with the you know, the property owner is responsible for it. Um, but of course, if that's something you wanted to do, like we would work with you to, you know, so we could, if you wanted to file like a request for

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determination since it's in a a buffer zone, like, you know, we would obviously >> that buffer zone on your property. >> Yes. >> So, yeah, I in terms of like spec like specific help, like there isn't anything the state offers. I know um I've looked

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at like what other towns do and I know like you mentioned this earlier like a lot of towns have like like scouts like boy scouts like go out and kind of do this or um also the MACC Massachusetts Association of Conservation Commissions has a lot of information about this on

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their website if you wanted to take a look I could um send that to you as well. Um, but yeah, there isn't really like a specific program for this unfortunately, which is kind of unfortunate, >> right? Well, I obviously been trying to deal with it on my own property, but

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this is again could be a compounding issue. It would be great if there was some official action that could be taken even if it is just officially not monetarily sponsoring, but sponsoring a volunteer group that's local to the area. That would be ideal. I think

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there's a lot of interest and people getting rid of the invasive plants so it's publicized. >> This doesn't have to be a monetary pull, >> you know, but the conservation's official stamp on it would be nice.

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>> Yeah, I I'm all for and have been am looking to like start some initiatives to try to do some invasive removal um in town. So, you know, we'll definitely keep that in mind and um you know, maybe contact you in the future when that's set up, but as of right now, like there's nothing we have currently going

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on in that front. >> Yeah, understood. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. >> I have a problem with Japanese not >> sorry there's not better news. >> Have you looked into anything yourself? like any good >> this was my first step. This is

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typically they say to go to your local conservation >> as far as pulling it out within the 100 ft. I >> as long as you don't pull the stumps out in the 25 foot I think cutting it down is fine.

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>> Right. Do you need me to get preapproval or is this considered approval? Simple bullying >> request. Yeah, he'd have to file a request for determination. >> File a request for determination. Kind of map it out a little bit.

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>> Well, it's all along the public roads and all the districts. >> Now, that form that Tom is talking about, you can get right online. It's called a request for determination. Do you have any potential timeline on

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the volunteer movement on the volunteer groups? >> Maybe some sort of followup. the Minota uh land trust. Um they're very fortunate because they had two um boys that were working towards Eagle Scout. And so when

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they were working towards uh that, they took on uh one project was um uh creating some trails off of um I believe it was Mountain Road. They were working up there. In another project, one of the

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other um guys uh put in some better crossings for some brooks that were in the in the past. And of course they that they used all that for their Eagle Scout. You know, they had to do a whole

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report on everything they did. And um that worked out good. >> Yeah. Well, it would be good if there's anything that could certify community service hours with this kind of act, you know, that way you could actually pull in for sure. Yeah, >> volunteer. >> I think that's my goal for maybe the

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summer, late summer. >> That'd be great. >> Yeah, >> if possible, >> for sure. Yeah. >> Thank you for letting us know. We appreciate it. >> Thanks. Um, folks that just walked in.

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>> Okay. >> Is he coming or you don't think he's coming? >> He was invited in. >> So, you want to start? >> Did you have any other updates? No. Then I guess we >> Well, we were we were expecting

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>> Yeah, >> a couple people for zooming in or anything. >> Not not to this one. No. >> Okay. >> So, the follow last month's meeting lot 24

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they were going to fix the markings. That's happened. >> I was just asking. >> Yeah. >> Has he gone up there yet? >> Has Steve been up to South Ridge yet? No, he's on he's on vacation this week. >> He did um

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uh the land off of Mill Road and East Meadow. He did that uh a week and a half ago. >> Um he's going to be up at South Bridge >> supposedly the week of the 20th, next week. >> Okay. >> But um he's going to um like I said,

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he's going to call me, let me know when he's going to be there and the day he's going to be there. So that you know if you have the opportunity even to at least get on the property with them >> cuz he doesn't really know where the rightways are to get on.

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>> So yeah, so it's happening >> next week. >> Someday. >> Yeah. Well, the other thing that that we had on the agenda for tonight was um uh

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discussing the resource area on South Ridge Estates. Um Russ was invited in and um I guess a couple of the neighbors, the phone call I got today, they were coming in, but obviously

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they're not here. >> There's a couple people on Zoom. I don't know if any of them are up. >> Oh, I can't see. maybe. >> Yeah. >> Hi, my name is Jennifer Wood. I'm one of the residents on South Ridge Road. I just wanted to attend meeting to to get well informed on what's going on. >> Hi.

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>> Hello. Thank you. >> Um so, well, we can we can begin the discussion even though, you know, he's not here. >> I mean, he knows exactly what we're doing, but um um we have signed a

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contract. you all signed it for Steve Liberty to go up there and do the um wetland refflging of the wetlands. Now Steve has um some mapping I sent him, but um I'll probably um send home with

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Tom um another map that I have in the office that um Steve can is not quite as big and bulky that Steve could use as well. um that was done originally on the property. >> Well, just when when we go, show me

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where it is if I >> don't give it to me just in case I can't go. All right. >> I can go. Just show me where it is and I'll grab it. >> All right. I'll do that. Um, so I had I had brought with me um to the

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meeting all of the paperwork on um that that I thought was important for um South Ridge Estates and as far as you know what's to be done.

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So, the bottom line is that we received I'm just going to repeat myself so that whoever's online would know. Um, we received a um, uh, call from Mark Stinson, our circuit writer, um, early

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last fall or it might have been late last summer regarding because he was online and he saw where there had been a big change in the wetland um, area between 2019

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and present present day. And um he actually well I I shared all this with you guys, but he actually sent me photos of uh somewhere whatever they looked like. And

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this is the um this is the present day photo. And um although this one didn't copy too well, you can see this is these are the property lines here. And then this is all this has all been cleared.

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Um, and then he also sent um some other mapping that I already had of what the wetland line um was like originally.

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And you could see from that, I don't know where it is now. You can see from that what had um transpired since 2019. there had been a lot of a lot of clearing going on. So, um Mark

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wanted us to check it out and um uh you guys went up on um whatever lot it is where there's the rightway and um you you did take a lot of pictures that um I didn't bring with me. It's in another

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file. And the wetland area, which was wooded um for years, is now um maybe a a third of it, a quarter. Some of it's cleared. I don't I don't know. I

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haven't been on the property really to >> find out about that. Um, then I sent a copy of the orders of conditions, the original orders of conditions on the property. And even though orders of conditions

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don't last forever, number 23 and 24 do, excuse me. On 23, at no time, present or future, is there to be any disturbance within the wetland boundary as shown on the

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submitted site plan. If erosion into it occurs, all work shall stop. This is when they were building it and the conservation commission immediately notified by the environmental scientists. So what this is saying is that that

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wetland area that had been um designated even in the future there should be no disturbance in that area. And then 24 refers to the permanent markers to mark where that area was. And um at the time

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we didn't have the um uh different types of markers that people can use now. So that um Russ was using, which was okay with us at the time, pressuret treated um stakes. >> Okay.

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>> And they're gone. >> Um after all these years, they're not around anymore. So that's where we that's where we were with that. And I've been on the um phone with the state

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on this. So once we get up onto the property um and Steve Riberty does all of the uh wetland putting his blue flags in there to designate the the uh um resource

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area. Then then we have to ask for permanent markers that would mark that resource area like we do for a lot of the um areas in town that are like that.

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Um so Russ Morton refused to um pay for a wetland scientist because according to Russ he didn't know what was going on up there. and he hadn't been there in five or six

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years and he wasn't going to pay for damage that he didn't do even though um the land is is under Russ. >> So um I have the contract here for Steve. So

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the commission voted because it had to be done. We voted to hire um our own wetland scientist and then have him mark the uh wetlands, which is um what's being done now. As far as the permanent

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markers go, Russ, like I said, he's still listed as landowner. So, um uh >> he's going to be on the hook. >> He's going to h he's going to Yes. He's going to have to put the permanent

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markers in to mark off that area. Um, so that's where we are. He does have I've noticed he has um that land for sale and he's trying to sell it. There's a lot on the culdesac that's been for

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sale several years. >> But that lot then in encompasses all that um 13 plus acres of uh resource area. So, the way the um the wetland bylaw and the state is written, if you

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buy property that has a problem on it, well, Eric can let tell you that >> then you own then you own it. So, um you know, whoever buys that, if he ever sells that property, whoever buys it, um

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is then going to uh you know, have to rectify it. So, um that's that for now. And you know, we were just going to discuss it with him and and um see what he wanted to do with it. Um,

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so what when we have that uh when Steve has his inspection next week and he um goes out there and and marks all of the uh uh resource area, then

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then the people that are abuting all that land will have a good idea on, you know, >> where they >> where they have to stop whatever their lawn or whatever, Right. >> Um because it can't it cannot be disturbed.

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>> And right now it is. So um that's that unless anybody has any other questions about it. Anybody I do have a question for that

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the second lot that he has put up that he's putting up for sale. I know there's a lot at the end by the culde-sac that's been for sale for quite some time, but this other area that's been marked off in the back here. Um, is is that wetland

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area is that bu are I mean, if he wanted to build on that, is that buildable? >> So, where are you? >> Yeah, I don't understand. >> Yeah, I'm at 15 South Ridge. So, I'm When you're coming up the street, I'm on the left. I'm the second house on the

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left. Okay. >> Everything behind you is part of that protected land. >> Yes. I mean, I'm well aware of the wetlands right behind me in the area that's been cleared out. Um I've been I've seen >> that happen unfortunately. Um but

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I've been told that there's an area further down the street on the left towards the back there, further towards the woods that has been marked off that he's looking to sell. And I'm just wondering if that is considered wetlands and you know if they're if whoever the

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buyer is if they're able to build on that. >> I we've heard of this as well and I mean I think we're talking about the same plot. Um if it's the one like behind the house kind of like where we we looked um

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like that plot he's put trying to put up to for sale um that's covered in wetlands and it's not buildable at all. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Um, and that's also why I mean I personally think we need to have them come like both parties come in,

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>> but that's also connected to this other property that we just talked about. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and you know there's we've been hearing there's a lot of like significant disturbance on this um area. So that's

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why I feel like it's important we get in contact with them. >> Yeah. Um but yeah to answer your question that from as from what we can see is not buildable. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And um yeah, go ahead.

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I was just going to kind of say, but I mean I think um we've been talking a lot about this property kind of like the past month and a lot of like the disturbances going on and like um like the like the range right is um

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yeah the there's like a someone is taking down like vegetation on it and um building things. So, um, that's and we were under the impression they were going to come tonight, but I think maybe sending like a letter or

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something to them to have them come in. I think we just have to talk to them and let them know that like this property has OC saying like it has to remain in its natural state. Um, >> well, that's the thing,

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>> right? what we should be doing with it. >> Nonetheless, it's it's happening because it's it's deep in the zone. The survey is only going to adjust the outside of it a little bit in my opinion. Um but it's happening significantly in the wetland. So, but yes, wait for the

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survey to come in. But, um >> this point Yeah. And we have specific >> yeah rules >> rules for markers >> make sure that they'reware

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>> galvanized steel casing. Oh, wait. Not galvanized. Galvanne. >> Oh, his his right. That would be >> It's funny you mentioned that because

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>> I got a call um from Elon Meadow the other day after Steve had been there >> um putting the markers in that pro on that property and the person that called me um from East Law Meadow said that they saw someone going out there and

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moving the flags. So, >> well, that's what I'm >> I know. >> I know. >> Steve was going to go and check. >> Yeah. So, Steve was going to go out there and check and see if those flags have been moved. >> Was there any like question? I mean, I

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can pull up the GIS if you want to see the property, get a better understanding of it. Sure. >> Okay. Give me one second. You can talk amongst yourselves or something. >> Guys know who this person is that's

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doing all of this against the owner's knowledge. >> Well, not really. >> Yes. >> He went that way. So, >> what the [ __ ] are you see this.

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>> Uh I can I'll share my screen so they can see. Now this thing's in the way. Oh, there we go. Okay. So it's my understanding that

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so yeah this bit you know this piece here um so yeah this and then I believe it's this one too um these like this big area is under the >> OC and uh

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>> and that's not correct 19-27 um there going to buy it, but they didn't. I checked with the assessors today. So, that's that's still part of Russ's property. >> Yeah, I think that I think this is the

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property Jennifer was asking about, >> I think. >> So, it's behind, >> right, where we looked last summer. >> So, >> and this is what I'm saying like it's not buildable, >> right? There's no access to the >> right. Yeah, I believe that's what she

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was talking about. Um but yeah, this is this is the area where we've been hearing a lot of disturbances of vegetation and >> through here or something right here. >> Yeah.

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>> Oh, right. Right. >> Mhm. And this is >> and this is where the clearing is here. >> Yeah. So, yeah. I mean, so I there's a lot of like clear issues

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going on and so I of course we'll take like the new marking with consideration, but um I think we need to strictly enforce >> this and probably get talk to both parties and I would like them to come in

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if possible. So, do we think like a letters best or what? >> What >> do we think like sending them a letter like >> Oh, another one. Sure. >> Did you send you sent a letter to both of them? >> Yeah, we first were made aware of this. You sent a letter.

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>> No, that was telling them. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, >> requesting a letter asking them to come in. >> Yeah, >> I did send them I sent Russ a letter and then I I put it I did send them a letter

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inviting them to come in. I didn't say you have to come in. >> Yeah. >> 1971. >> Here's a um I think you guys have seen this, but this is the before and the

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after. So >> 1910 is the one that had >> So yeah, I think we just need to make it clear since this area has a specific OC like there's no like you can't do shooting, you can't make shooting

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ranges, you can't clear vegetation, you can't build, you can't do anything. >> So I think that needs to be >> Yeah. I mean it has to remain in its natural state >> and I mean it might just them not

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knowing that but I think you know we should let them know if they don't know that. Um so yeah >> send them a letter saying that disturbances are happening. I think that's our but

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need to come in. >> Well, I think a butters have been telling them I think maybe our our stamp of um you know denial like you can't do any of this in that area needs to happen

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>> because I don't know if that's been said. >> Yeah, we should wait until after. >> Yeah. So, do you would you want like a letter sent them to come in or just a letter explaining what can and can't be done? >> Okay.

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Well, the letter could say that, but do we want them in to discuss >> and tell them why? >> Okay, sounds good. >> Okay. Anything else?

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Did you have questions about something >> about this specific? >> No, I just I find it fascinating. I'm here for something else. I find it fascinating that the owner of the property has no idea that someone is building or clearing the land and has no

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Yeah. >> If he saved himself. Yeah. Oh, okay. >> Got it. >> So, what are you here for? >> I'm here with I'm with her. >> We support our friend. >> Thank you. >> Okay.

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>> Yeah. >> So, in Jennifer, did you have any more questions or anything about this issue before we move on? No, I just brought um I brought with me the original notice of intent on the property and the notice of

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intent specifically measure uh mentions the bordering vegetated wetlands. Um contained with and it says contained within the vegetated wetland are numerous intermittent streams which

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drain northwest westerly um with a permanent stream which flows generally along the site's northerly property line. And most of these regulated wetlands will be contained within a 15.6 acre parcel which will be set aside for

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open space. So it was even way back when he filed his notice of intent, it was mentioned from his parties, his side that that that area >> should be made in its natural state.

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>> I guess um my only question is what are the repercussions of this? I mean, you're going to send a letter. You're going to establish what the expectations are, you know, um what the laws are here. And so, you know, if they continue to do this with the shooting and the

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clearing and the the pigs and the just all of it, you know, where do we what is the next step, you know, and I I do there are quite a few neighbors on the street that are really concerned. I mean, personally for myself, you know, I've already

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spoken to my neighbors about this. The shooting for me is really concerning. I have young children. Um, and the shooting is extremely close to my home. Um, and and then the clearing. I mean, I've been here since 2021.

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Um, it's completely destroyed my view. You know, when I look in my backyard, it's just the the whole the just everything in the back. It's it's it's a significant difference. Um the natural landscaping is destroyed

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back there. Um so that's how it affects me personally. Um and I know there are are a lot of concerned residents. So what are the next steps aside from a letter and having them come in and speak >> legal to? >> Yeah. Are you saying that once we set

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our wetland scientists out there next week and then he marks all the resource area again and um establishes the line that can't be crossed? Um sometimes we

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have people replant in the that area or whatever area like we one fella um up on top of the mountain cleared and we have a ridgeeline hillside so that you're not supposed to clear the top of the mountain and he had to put in 225 trees

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because of what he had cleared. Um >> I just put in 150 this week. >> There we go. Yeah. and Eric and he bought land that had a big problem on it and he had to put in a lot of trees as well. Um,

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we don't at this point we have to discuss with our wetland scientists would it be better just to let it go back to its natural state or to have the trees and some of the wetland um plants put back in there. If indeed

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once that is once the line is established if if there's anything within that area including like you said the shooting and all of that if there's anything within the protected area

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so that our um paperwork and everything is being ignored then we get the state involved and the state does have um the ability to lift to send very hefty fines until

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it's compi, you know, until our our um uh not really orders anymore, but until it's complied with that, they don't touch that property. >> So, yeah, I think that's a good point. And in terms of like specific timeline and which I think you're referring to, like we're like once we get the um

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survey back from our wetland scientists, we'll send the letter and um if if they cooperate, then good. That's it. Then we can talk about if they have to plant or re, you know, letting it um reveate itself. If they ignore it or continue,

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that's when the the fines and enforcement would come in. So that would be the timeline. So, who would be responsible for reaching out to law enforcement? Would that be this commission based on complaints that are reported to you? >> For the firearms, you could report it to

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the police department. All they're going to verify is if they're shooting within 500 ft of a dwelling. If they're shooting within 500 feet of a dwelling, it's a violation, they could be charged criminally. Um, other than that, if they're following all the laws, like they're f more than 500 feet from a

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dwelling, they have a back stop, which a mountain could be considered a back stop, then unfortunately, the police can't really do anything as long as they're following the rules. And if they have permission from the property owner, if the property owner didn't give them permission, then it's trespassing.

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That's a whole different situation. That's part of the issue also. And in terms of the like the police were already involved with this and they determined that it was 500 feet away and like they can't do anything with their enforcement. So the conservation enforcement would be separate from law

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enforcement and we would enforce like the um like the fines and reveation monitoring um through the state. >> Well, we can stop them from shooting on that land because that's altering the land.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. So we can stop them from shooting and making a shooting range on the land because they can't do that on that land because they are altering the resource area. Um and if they continue that that's when we when the conservation can enforce in terms of law enforcement

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they've already looked into it and um it's already 500t away so it doesn't matter on that front. >> Does that make sense? So if the if the shooting continues, we would come to to you guys and then you

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would go to conservation. >> I'm trying to follow who would be the one to enforce. >> We'd have to go >> implement the fines. >> Yeah. If the shooting were to continue, we would get in contact with our with

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the state environmental protection. Okay. and we would we would coordinate in enforcement action accordingly. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> We're going to wait until the scientist does his red delineation next week

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>> to actually mark out all the wetland area. >> Any other inquiries on that property? So I'm assuming you guys have something. >> No, we were just we were at 500 before Glendale at Jonathan just below us and

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we're just keeping track of what's going on. >> You want to upgrade a little bit? >> Yeah. um kind of similar >> um in terms of there hasn't been much um

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since our last meeting. Um basically where we're at right now is we're just talking with him. Um and we are trying to work with him so that the commiss so that the commission can um go on his property to um look at

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if there's any potential violations going on. Um, as of right now, he's denied the commission access. So, um, I I've sent him a letter and I'm waiting the response from that. And if he continues to not deny, then we would

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probably, you know, um, we've talked about, um, pursuing like a warrant or something maybe to go on the property. Um, but we're waiting for his response and, um, we're just consulting with council right now. In my world, when

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somebody won't and and in this world as it is now, if somebody won't let you see what they're doing, they're not doing things that are positive by the book. So, um I mean, and

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it concerns our town. I'm I'm in my opinion, I'm over all that. I mean, I look every day at his obnoxious signs that are big orange signs that he posted that I'm not quite

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sure if they're on my property or his because I I want to get a surveyor. >> Um, so I look at five of those every day. When I get up to look at my deer, I see those because he put them right in my eyes shot. >> No, no, no.

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>> No hunting or fishing, but they're big orange. posted right at eye level or Yeah. Um so um um and then uh I can see where where he clear cut the what whatever clear

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clearing the trees. Um, so I I've adjusted to that, but I'm uh backing we're backing uh Gina in the sense that we are concerned about our town, about our water, and um I mean what has he got

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to hide, >> right, Gina? >> Yeah, I agree. >> I was to be honest, I was kind of under the impression that we were going to go forward with the warrant. So I'm a little confused about this new timeline. >> Yeah. Well, we

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are um I I let him know that um well, just cuz you know it would be a lengthy and um expensive process for a warrant. So, I let him know we're going to pursue that if you don't allow that because

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that way, you know, we can get it done quicker if he just allows it. So, um that since they voted on that, I let him know one last time. So, um, >> so what's what's what are you given how much time do you plan to give him that you consider you guys consider reasonable? >> Um,

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>> now the snow is gone at least. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then the all the all the leaves are going to come back. This is the perfect time to go out there. So, how how much does a warrant cost? >> It really depends. >> Did council give you an idea?

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>> No. She said it really depends on the case. It's >> the town's probably got to approve it. >> Yeah. >> So, we are like I'm not backing away from the warrant because I know we discussed that lang. I just like I would

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the town and what we've been talking about would prefer give him one last chance. Tell him we're going to pursue it if he doesn't allow us to go on um one last time. >> So, what was your what was your one last

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line drawn in the sand? How long ago was that? Um, I sent him the letter uh uh maybe I think three weeks ago. >> I think that's a fair >> to be honest with you. I think that's it gives him plenty of time to

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>> make a decision. That's my opinion. No, I don't >> and >> represent the town. >> And in in my opinion, he's he's just waiting for you. He's not going to respond. I mean, I'm not saying that he may he may have a revelation, but I

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highly doubt it. He He's just waiting you out. >> And what how much is the warrant cost? I'll pay for it. >> I mean, I I I sue you mean and he can wait. >> He said, "No, you won't." >> I think 10 grand. >> Oh, is that right?

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>> Um I mean, he can probably >> start by um trying to go front. >> Yeah, >> he can, you know, wait as long as you want and not respond. If he if he doesn't respond in a timely manner, then we're going to go forward with it. So,

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you don't have to worry about him not responding and us not doing anything like something's going to be done soon. >> I'm not I'm so not, you know, holding you to the fire, but three weeks is a timely manner. >> Yeah. I mean, we we gave our response was about a month because we meet

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monthly, so I just want to reciprocate. >> Gotcha. Yeah. Um that >> perspect um and he has been, you know, um emailing me accordingly. So, you know, it's not like he's ignoring me. Um if that were to happen, it'd be different. But because we've been having

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conversations via email, it's it's been okay. So, I'm just going to give him that time. And then if he continues to deny it, we'll do that. >> And again, this is the last thing I would say if he's watching. I am so not interested in this for to try to put the

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the screws to him. >> I'm only interested in as Gina is and our group is for the good of our town, for the safety of our town's water and the safety of our wetlands and the conservation and and that's it. >> That's what we're here.

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>> Right. Exactly. I think it's a bigger issue than just one person because if you allow this to continue to go on for so long, it's going to become the wild west here and that's not what we want. We have the laws in place. We should be able to enforce them in a timely manner. >> Yeah. >> And my other concern is that, you know,

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he did give you guys permission in January and then at the last minute he backed out. >> So, will he pull the same will he will he do the same thing? >> If he does it again, then we'll pursue a warrant. >> Yeah. And he was also saying a couple things about the statute of limitations

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is just trying to ride us out like you talked about. >> Yeah. Well, that's the other thing in term of the statute. There is a statue of um uh two years for um a for established violation for or for potential viol.

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>> I thought it was for if you purchased purchase the problem. >> No, that that's three years after a purchase. um if it's a potential violation you find on the property, the commission has two years to pursue it. >> Um which that there has been some that have been more than two years ago, but

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there's also been some that have been within the two years. So that doesn't really matter. We can still >> Okay, that's my concern. I don't my thought is that if that's my that's the mindset. I just want to see it get resolved. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's not about finding somebody. It's not about you know trying to get the nothing like that. I'd like to see it

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get resolved so we don't have issues down the road. >> That that's where I'm standing with it. And like Sydney said, it's not just it's not just him. >> Yeah. >> It's not just him obviously. >> Unfortunately, he he put a spotlight on himself with the tree thing. And it's like, okay, well, what about these

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violations that were never resolved >> that you know, we got D, we got Tai bomb, we got conservation. It's like how many how much more proof do you need? >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. you know, I I I totally see what you're saying and um depending on his answer,

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then we'll go from there. >> Okay. >> And um it you know, I think a timely manner should be within this month. >> I I think that's fair. >> And if he's been um emailing with you and stuff in in good in good faith, you

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know, like I said, I'd like to to think that I mean, he's our neighbor. >> Yeah, I'm just gonna say that. Yeah. And and you know that in these times >> have and we all have to stick together. Let's do this together. Let's keep our

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our town safe together. >> So I mean >> and also the rules apply to everybody. You have 50 acres, you have 100 acres, you have three acres, you're in resource area, you're in wetland. Get out of it. Resolve it. >> Nobody's at the whole lot.

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>> Yeah. Totally. Right. Well, thank you, Joe. Thank you all you guys. You're doing a wonderful job. Thank you. >> We'll see. We'll see what he says next month and then I guess you guys will move forward >> before hopefully before next winter.

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>> Don't forget the all the all that vine that crazy wrapound um pinchy vine is getting in. It's hard to get back in there. >> All the Virginia creepers. >> Is that what those are? >> Ones that wrap around with all the trees down. >> Yeah. and kill the red. Uh

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>> it's like an actual like thick like it's a little vine but it gets thick. It actually strangles the trees that >> Yeah. >> It goes straight up. >> But this stuff it has pickers on it. >> Oh, and it it's going after my pine trees now. It's

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>> got some birch trees. >> Started the birch and uh I try to go and clip it and pull them all off and stuff. But >> yeah, it's terrible. There's a man that makes furniture out of those trees. >> Really? >> Out of those vines

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>> that, you know, like like Eric was saying that those vines turn into, you know, like 2 in three di three inch diameter, >> right? Yeah. >> And he makes uh >> furniture, different cool things out of it.

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>> Um what's the name of those again? >> Virginia creepers. Oh, I thought it was some Asian thing that I thought I heard Asian buying something that got >> that other guy was talking about the >> Oh, the Japanese >> barberry.

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>> What is it? >> Barbberry. >> Barberry. >> Oh, picky. >> But that's a >> that's a bushy thing. Doesn't really climb trees. >> It gets thick. >> Yeah. >> And I have Japanese notes. You don't want to deal with that.

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>> Yeah. No matter what you do, it's gonna >> I got a solution. >> It takes a long time. >> Thank you guys again. Thank you very much, too. >> Thank you for keeping us in the loop. >> Hey, I would like to I'm gonna follow it

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through. That's my goal. >> Yeah. >> Do we have anything else we can discuss? Um, >> Joe, did you have anything more you wanted to bring up? >> That was it for me. >> That's it for me. >> What time? I