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Okay. Started for today's date >> 18th. >> February 18th, 2026. Um, you want to do last meeting minutes

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first and then go over that stuff. You all have copies of the um minutes in your folder. >> I make a motion to approve as written.

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>> I just started reading it. >> I know. Yeah. Anybody see any corrections or anything we need to make? No. >> Okay. All in favor? I I

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>> Okay. So, Joe, you want to bring us up to date on the Sure. So, um, we left off last meeting with deciding that day for a site visit. Um,

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and then I think it was two days after that, Jonathan called me um, and asked to meet with me. And he came in um, and he said he had time to look over like the the packet we gave out and

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everything. and he said that based on all of this, he doesn't think there's um sufficient evidence for a site visit. So, he denied that site visit. So, we weren't able to do a site visit um that

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day. And um I told him um and he and during the conversation um he mentioned that if like you know in the future if if you guys still aren't going to drop like the potential violations like he would like to get like his attorney involved and

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everything. So um I've contacted the town's attorney so that they're in the loop. And um yeah, I last thing I told him was is that um I'll let him know what the commission decides tonight. Um I asked him to come. He say he wasn't

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able to and I told him I'd tell him like their final decision about all this. Um, but I think he he has some points because I think a lot of the uh potential violations might have been

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part of the solar panel project that maybe never came into fruition. Um, but I think he's I've specifically showed him like evidence via and I I was planning on showing you um on the computer a lot of like the satellite imagery of uh

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vegetation alterations in wetland buffers. And that was something Mark Stinson sent to me and said he saw there was alterations in the vegetation um within the year. So um that and I've told Jonathan that and told him that

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that would be that would you know warrant a site visit and further investigation and um he also mentioned that all of these the claims that we've made uh because there's a two-year apparent like time limit of things like it's been more

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than two years which um I think Bonnie and I weren't privy to that rule and I I tried to look into it. I don't know if you know about Okay. So I I couldn't see anything about that. Um but so that's kind of the gist. Um I believe

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>> where do you think he got that number from? Who your >> I I'm not really sure. Um wouldn't that be incumbent upon him to prove that the two-year

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>> has has elapsed? It has. Well, I know it's elapse, but I mean to prove that two years is a real >> oh >> time constraint, >> so to speak. >> And I I did I sent you all um his response as well. Um >> and like what his responses were to each

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of our claims >> and I don't know if you guys had anything to say about that. Um and I can pull up that message if you'd like as well. But yeah, I mean at this point um I believe, you know, I think we need to

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put some action into this with >> I think we need to see what our lawyer has to say. >> Yeah. >> Before we really do anything else. >> Yeah, she hasn't responded to me yet. So, >> okay. Um, I was going to wait till um

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tomorrow and then I think I'll hear you guys say and then I'll call her or try emailing her again. >> Yeah. So, I I don't know what else other decision we can make right now. Just >> I I'd say we just

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>> table it until we hear from the lawyer. There's I do know because we have another violation in town and that and that viol and the original orders of conditions on that was um

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19 96 I believe. And um uh then Mark Stinson got involved because there there is a one particular family that is

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clearing that um resource area that was supposed to be protected forever in the orders. And um so we have hired, as you know, a wetland scientist who's going to go out there

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and reflour area once the snow is gone. Sure. >> Now that from what from what we can um uh figure out from looking at Google and and the GIS and everything else that um

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in 2000 2019 and the state sent me this 2019 it was still all vegetated. >> Mhm. >> And then in 20 22 it was not. >> Right. and they and they were

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encouraging us to, you know, to hire someone and to reveate that because that was a violation. >> Um that if if they cut in 22, >> you know, that was over two years >> that was coming directly from the state.

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>> That's coming from the state. That was my whole point. >> Yes. Sure. So yeah, I think the main things um this is what uh Mark pointed out to me um

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right here. >> So we can see this that's here. So there's like a obviously a web here and it has it borders and everything. >> Um

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and so this was 2022 There seem this kind of seems to be the only little inlet that was maintained in 2023, 2024, later in 2024, and then 2025. And that

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the 2024 to 2025 is what Mark sent me. >> Yeah. >> Saying there's >> right >> alteration here. >> Yeah, I can see that. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> And um I I forgot to ask last time, but we really have to figure out and this was something I wanted to bring up how

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we should go about asking him about like what agriculture he's actually doing. Um I think last time he said he had a few cows that he >> go and graze and that his family ate. Um that would not qualify him for the agricultural exemptions. It would be a significant amount of agriculture for

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the purpose of profit. Um, so we have to specifically figure out what he's agriculturing and where it's happening and then that'll determine what um, you know, he's allowed to do. Um, I also

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think that there's some I mean this is the kind of big parking lot again 2022, you know, it's it's pre prevalent here. um this there's little something here and then this is 2024

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later in 2024 and 2025. So to me it kind of seems like there's some expansion. Um and if this isn't you know continuously being used for agricultural use just based on the satellite things and again I can't make any definitive things

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without going there. There seems to be some alterations and >> yeah are those alterations on wetlands. >> Um yeah >> next to wetlands. Yeah. >> So you see >> and that you have to zoom out a little

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that >> the lower left. Yeah. Yeah. But that that stuff right there I don't see it. >> See where the barn is? >> Yeah. >> Right there. That right to the left of it. That's a stream right there. >> Yeah. perennial stream. >> Okay. But is he doing anything in there or is that >> No, but you're still in the buffer.

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>> Well, that's the question is there's >> Or is it? >> This is the stream right here. >> Yeah. >> I don't know what this is, but it looks quite brown and gray, >> right? >> And it seems like something's happening. I think this is like a little pasture

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that, you know, if it's being used continuously for commercial agricultural use, he's allowed to maintain. But if it's not, then it's very close to a perennial strain. Um, so that that's kind of my concern. And there was there's some changes here as

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well >> over the year. >> Although, >> so again, it's hard to tell different seasons, >> right? That's what I was just going to say, >> but it does. And last time when we I mean he told me there wasn't, but I

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based on my own eyes when I showed you guys that Google Street view to me it looks like the um driveway is obviously expanded into buffer zone. He's obviously altered vegetation. >> Um but he denies that. And um yeah.

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Yeah. Ultimately in that meeting um he just >> he came to me. It was a very respectful conversation. He was just like I felt very like uncomfortable and basically like attacked and at the meeting and he >> expressed that there's like a lot of social media presence that's against him

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and he thinks like the town is like bias and it's him because certain things are a part of that group. So he's very very upset about this whole thing. So, I think the best >> understood >> um best course of action is probably

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an attorney, but I I he asked time and time again to dismiss the potential violations, but I >> Yeah, you know, >> I don't think we can if if there's no proof of that two-year time limit or something that >> Right. And nonetheless, within the last

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year, stuff has changed. Yeah. >> So, new alterations, >> right? Um >> especially like like you said the end of the driveway and >> possibly in there. >> Yeah. >> I mean I have been on the property but it's been how many years? But

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>> Right. >> I don't remember. >> Yeah. So that's where we're at with that. >> Well, like I said, I think we should wait for the our lawyer to >> Yep.

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give her opinion and advise us what to do. We're gonna have to inspect it at some point whether we have to go through the state or >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, that was the other thing I I told about it >> and he said it's it's not a big enough deal yet for to get involved. >> Yeah. >> Um

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>> and yeah, so I guess so. Do you want me to respond to him like tomorrow saying we're going to get in contact with her attorney or do you want me to try to get in contact with her first, hear what she has to say, then respond to him? >> I I would wait. >> Yeah. >> Talk to her first.

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>> Stir in the pot unless we have >> I mean, if she says don't do anything, let it go. Then that's what we'd do. But I would still get her opinion on >> Okay. First, >> we should vote on that

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>> as maybe you should vote on that as a as a commission. >> Well, yeah, I know. I was >> to give him to give Joe permission to >> what's his call attorney? >> Yeah, I make a motion to that Joe contacts our town attorney for her

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opinion on this whole matter. >> I second. >> All in favor? I >> I >> and then table this until we get the results of that discussion. >> Yeah. Which will

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>> hopefully be soon. >> Well, it'd have to be another month. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, yeah. The visit we can do now in the winter, I guess, right? Especially this winter. Okay. Okay.

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All right. Um, did you say there was some another violation we have to talk about? >> Well, we have the one up on South Ridge. >> Oh. Um, I sent him um signed, right, >> contract and all that. He's just uh

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>> waiting for the um >> Yeah. snow melt. >> Snow melt. Yeah. Because it's um >> Right. >> Can't go out right now and do it, >> right? Okay. Okay. Um, also before we go into anything else, um,

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there is a, um, the board of health alerted me to the fact that there is, uh, approximately 12 and a half acres on Rock Dundy, a new lot. It's been broken off from a larger lot. And um it appears

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that there is a lot of uh um well there's a a perennial stream or it might be part of the scantic because you know we all know begins over on Rockwell's property

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>> and um uh the work proposed is within the 200 foot of the stream. you know 100 is can do a thing with the um leechfield is beyond the 200 ft.

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>> Okay. >> But the the um proposed house and then the septic tank is well within the 200 ft. >> Okay. So, um I wrote a letter to um the

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septic designers and also to the um uh people that are proposing, not the homeowners, but the company that's to build the house. >> And I um explained um our concerns as far as the river protection act and all

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that. and um that I suggested that um that the conservation commission go out there and have a site inspection after the snow melts, >> right? >> Um to see exactly what's going on before they start

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digging. I also explained that um there is some work that is allowed in the 200 foot buffer. Homes are new homes are not usually allowed unless

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>> there's no >> the rest of the and we all know that out there it's all rock. >> Yeah. >> Um unless there is no other place to put the house. If that's the case then they have to go through a full notice of intent. Yeah. Okay. >> In order to build.

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>> So, that will be coming up in the spring, but I just want want you aware that >> it happened this week. >> And this is that property. And I think they wanted to do it here in the buffer. >> Um on their maps, they it depicts

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another wetland like here. >> Um but we don't have it on ours. >> No, we don't see that. >> Yeah. So, there's a discrepancy there. Um >> but like kind of this middle area is like the only place where they could like build and there's like a sufficient amount of >> where where's the 200 foot

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>> um so this is the river here this blue line. So I think 100 200 is my guess >> like about right there. >> Yeah. >> I think they're trying to build a house like here. >> They want to put the whole house within 200. >> Yeah. >> Mhm.

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>> Right. Almost right on the line. The 200 >> foot. weird this house, but >> yeah, that could be >> But yeah, they want to put it in it as well as the >> It's a tiny house. I mean, not that that matters. I mean,

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>> yeah, but >> it's 20 by 30, >> but if there's somewhere else to put it, >> 20 by 30 house. >> Yeah. >> Wow, that's real small. Yeah, >> that's a tiny house. >> That's what I said. It's a tiny house. >> Wow. A little cabin. That's about the

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size of this room >> on 12 and a half acres. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Okay. Well, >> so that's something else that will be coming up in the spring. >> Okay. >> At this rate, probably what, the end of

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May. >> Yeah. Where the snow's going. And we're supposed to get snow this weekend, too. >> I know. >> Really? and talking about another >> I don't want to hear >> Sunday night. >> Yeah, >> Monday. But

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okay. >> I want to go to Aruba. >> Well, I'm going on a cruise next week. >> Tom, did you want to do your >> Okay. presentation on the beavers. >> Sure. So, I uh I don't know if you guys

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saw the notice about the Zoom meeting for the Beaver Protection thing that I I joined it. It was all

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state people plus a few other um conservation people from other towns. My notes somewhere. So I found I heard

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I got some interesting points out of this. The reason I joined it was because I run into beaver dams all the time when I'm out kaying and stuff. Can't do anything.

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You can't do anything except climb over them. Um, so if there's a the biggest thing I got out of it, if there's a viol of a

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problem with beavers on somebody's property, the they built a dam that was never there before or something and it's going to affect the septic system, the well obviously, or the house.

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It can become an emergency that would be determined by health department, fire department, police department, or some other agency like that. They can make that determination that it's an emergency.

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If it's just flooding the yard, they're out of luck. As far as an emergency, they can they can apply to do something, but it' be take a lot longer. An emergency can be done pretty quick, but they still

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have to that agency that determines that it's emergency has to fill out an NOI. And that as far as mitigating it, you can't

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remove them. Uh just because there are exceptions to everything. There's all kinds of um well I don't know what you call them. I

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can't even think what they're called. Um water control devices. And I've seen these in action. I was in Gettysburg last November. They were having problems there too in one of the areas. And I saw this how that I don't know how it works,

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but there's a a hose basically that goes from one from the flooded area up and over the dam and out downstream and there's a basket at this end. So the water somehow just keeps flowing through

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it without removing the dam. So the beavers don't realize that there's a problem. a sub pump. >> Well, it's not even a pump. It just flows through it. >> Yeah.

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>> Interesting. Um, all that stuff is in here if you guys want to look at it. Um, uh, what else was it? Were you were you saying to me that the

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homeowner is the person that has to foot the bill for um for instance if if there's a well like one we have now there's a beaver dam on Scant in the Scantic River and the

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homeowner's yard is getting flooded. Mhm. >> It's not the septic or the well, but the yard sideyard is getting flooded. So, in that case, >> yeah.

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>> Then if if there's a if there's an NO would there be an NOI that would have to be filed? >> They would if it's not an emergency, >> they would have to do it. >> Yes. >> The homeowners would have to go through

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all that. >> Yes. and it would be against the law for them to go in and remove the dam. >> That's a violation. But yeah, if it's not affecting a structure or the septic

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or something that that a public health >> issue >> agency >> determines to be an emergency, then yes, it's on them. There are uh possible grants that are available

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through MSPCA for one that they can apply for for the water control device. That's what what they would do. Um yeah,

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let's see. So like if so in their case if that I would think that if they contact us that we would we could go look at it but if if they think it's going to

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affect the house or the septic or something then they'd probably call the health department. >> Mhm. >> And they'd have to determine if it's an emergency or not. >> Yeah. And just to reiterate, it would be

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an emergency if the house was like the cellar was being flooded, right, because of it. >> Or the well or the septic was in. >> Sure. Or I think even a separate garage would come under that, too. >> Didn't they already contact health?

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What >> did they contact health already? >> No. Uh >> cuz she's talked about it. >> She did talk about it. >> Well, if they did, >> she may have determined that it's not an emergency. So, >> yeah. >> They would have to do an NOI

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>> with us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But the homeowner would have to pay for that >> for the device and the NOI. Well, that's no different than if there's um which we've had log log jams. >> Sure. Right. >> In the scant,

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>> right? And those people had to >> because the homeowners own up to the middle of the river. >> Yeah. >> Or I mean some would own beyond but >> right >> they would be responsible. >> Mhm. >> Financially. >> Yep.

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>> Well, if you guys want to look at this though, there is some interesting stuff in there. And that device is in here somewhere. I just it's amazing how it would work. Yeah. I don't know how it works, but it does.

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So if if there's always been a dam there and the water was at a certain level and it's always been like that.

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Well, there's the device right there. >> It's just gravity. You can >> gravity f >> use this device to bring the water back to where it was before any flooding started. >> It's kind of like siphoning like

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siphoning gas out of >> basically. It's >> same concept. That's kind of old. >> Yeah. And it doesn't affect anything. It doesn't >> Wasn't there like a beaver dama old orchard that flooded the This was like time ago.

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It was across the street on the other side of Car >> back in there. Yeah. I don't know what happened with that. That was years ago. I don't I don't know how it was mitigated. >> That's what I was wondering if still there because no one's complained about

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it recently. >> Right. But anyway, I thought it was quite interesting. >> Yeah. And I'm sure that um you know the health department will get more of these as >> sure >> spring comes along and

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>> all the snow melt and be dams holding >> everything back >> right >> think started >> okay now we have to watch what we say >> yeah now we got to start all over Yeah.

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>> Did you want to talk about the new >> Sure. >> Yeah. I >> move to that. Was there any like public comments or questions? >> I always have questions. >> Um

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I did have a question about the GIS map which is really related to clail just in general. Do you know how long it takes for GIS to actually update something once a delineation is done? that seems like there's a lot of discrepancies by like our your paperwork, town

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paperwork versus what's on the site. And I want to say a while ago, Judy had talked about saying, "Oh, we send the GIS and it goes in a pile, but like paying for the service, so I'm wondering how long it normally takes for that to get updated." >> Does that make sense?

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>> Yeah. The only discrepancy I've ever seen is the one we just referred to, and that's because like a separate uh engineering company did it. >> Yeah. Um, but I'm not sure the exact date of it unless you guys know, but um I I mean I I would assume it would take some time

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since it's you know a statewide and local wide thing. >> Yeah. So I'm just like for example Glendale we had we did that a couple years ago and the map current map doesn't necessarily reflect what conservation said was wetlands versus not. Do you know what I mean? It's been a couple years. So I'm like

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>> how long does it take to update? >> Probably a while. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> But that's kind of all we have. >> Yeah. No, I know. It's a good It's a good reference point. I was just curious about that. I was talking to my mom about it and I'm like, she's like, "Ask." Because we're paying for the service >> to host it. >> I know.

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>> Yeah. I don't know. Was there a specific thing that that it's different that you >> I want to say it was like some of the streams were depicted properly, but I know it wasn't just Glendale. It was some other properties as well. So, it was like, "Oh, we know that's there." But it was never updated. It was like

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more >> which is why we >> which is why you have >> hire some somebody to right >> do it and you go by what they say. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a good question. I don't know. >> That was my question. >> Okay.

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>> Um yeah. So um I wanted to you know increase our outreach a little bit more. So I made a Facebook page for the conservation commission. Um, if you want to look at it, it's Hampton Mass Conservation Commission.

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Um, and yeah, I'm just going to kind of post about what we're doing. And um, I made a video today about like a plant and I just like, you know, kept teaching people like about plants and like, oh, if you see this plant like in the woods, it's probably on a wetland. It's

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probably protected and >> that kind of stuff. And what it looks like, why it's important, why you should care. Um, so yeah, I think it'll be a good outreach thing. Um, it's just for educational purposes. I can't communicate through it. Um, so if anyone like has questions, they would have to

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call us or email us directly. Um, so yeah, that and then also planning to do some like Earth Day presentation visits around town. And um, yeah, um, we're also in the I believe

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should be in this month's scribe as well. Um, I updated our conservation uh web page and um >> it looks great. I don't know if you >> I saw I looked at the Facebook page. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, follow the Facebook.

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>> Yep. >> And that's kind of Yeah, it's kind of what I I've been doing that. So, if you have any ideas of what to post, let me know. >> Sure. >> Maybe an exerpt from this turtle presentation. A beaver presentation.

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>> Yeah. Yeah, I was going to do beavers. Um I was going to do box turtles and beavers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's a good idea. For sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> Um also I we just had a meeting with Hike Hampton uh today. Um, basically we're just getting started on the bidding process of picking a consultant to start uh to start, you know, the design of the High Camden uh campaign

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and that's kind of where we're at. Um, and it's an 18th monthlong project, so it'll be quite the adventure, but I think it'll be really good for the town. And yeah, I think that's kind of all um I don't know if I've mentioned this to

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any of you yet, but um Men Land Trust was acquiring another plot next to the Scantic um or they're looking to and they've been meeting she's Cherry's been meeting with the town to like increase the riverfront access to the

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Minuk Mountain area. >> That's the one at >> Mr. Green >> on Walnut. It's on Main Street. >> No, Main Street. >> Main Street. >> Yeah. >> I don't know, Mr. Green. I can >> show it on the >> He's related to Rick Green. >> Maybe his uncle. I don't know.

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>> So, it is >> I believe it's this one right here. >> So, she's trying to acquire that, too. So, Uh the green lines is that the land trust now? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, she just wants to fill in the

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blanks. >> So, is that like where the gas I mean uh Country Auto is in that area? >> It's it's close like um like right here. Um is the

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>> Yeah. Or >> No, you're over too far. Yeah. Wait. >> Don't Don't There you go. That way. >> Oh, no. It's here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, >> so >> this is the wreck.

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>> Okay. >> And so it's it's Yeah, it's right across the street. Um >> Oh, so it's the other side of >> Yeah. Other side of the wreck. And then the other side of uh the old hardware store. >> Yeah. where there's a couple houses

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there. >> Yeah. >> So, I think it's a good idea. Um, and I think she's trying to get it in time to propose the town meeting in I think it's May or March. >> No, some something meeting would be in May. >> May. >> Yeah. Um, but I think everything's due

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in March, April or something. >> Yeah. I think it'd be cool. >> Um, >> so yeah, that was kind of the other major thing I >> You'd have to cross the river to Well, you >> landlock get Yeah. >> You could get to it from uh you know

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from the parking lot, the hiking parking lot on South Road. >> Oh, yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Up and over the mountain. >> A lot of people are like proponents of like, you know, eventually connecting this, but you know, of course, there's some >> you'd still need access across the br

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across the river. Yeah. But it's kind of just part of that Mitch's riverfront access and everything. And it's a landlocked piece of land. So I think it's good. So yeah. >> So they're trying to buy it. The land trust.

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>> Uh yeah. Believe she's trying to buy it. She's just figuring out the logistics. Mhm. >> He wanted a couple years ago he wanted to log it, >> but um again, you know, it was landlocked, so he would have had to have

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gone through the land owned by the land trust and they and in in all of their paperwork, they don't allow right that >> and the only other way would be crossing the river and >> Yeah. Yeah. I just can't >> go through Yeah. >> skit or snow. Mhm.

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>> Okay. Interesting. >> Yeah, that's kind of all I've had. >> Anything else? >> Anything else from you guys? >> Anybody? >> No. >> No. >> Peanut gallery.

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>> I guess I have a question. >> Okay. >> So, Rose is our town council, right? >> Okay. Does it is she an environmental attorney or is she more like procedural? Does that make a difference? >> I don't know. I don't know her. >> I don't know her either. She's talked about a lot, but I've never met her.

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>> Yeah, I haven't either. So, when I talk when I talk to her tomorrow hopefully, it'll be the first time. I was going to ask about that, too. Um, but even if she's not familiar with it, um, I'm sure she'll become updated with it hopefully. >> Yeah. But I mean, this is >> that's a job. >> Yeah.

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>> Basically, it's procedure that she'd have to answer questions about. I don't I would say I don't think she's um environmental. I think I looked up her firm or I believe and it doesn't seem to >> Yeah. I was just curious if that made a difference. Yeah, >> we're talking about agriculture. What's what's commercial, what's not, and it's

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like >> Yeah. >> We don't know. >> Yeah. I mean, I think that the agricultural um provisions like the exemptions are are pretty clear about what it allows and what it doesn't. >> And I think we can interpret that on our part. Yeah. Um, but I know what you

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mean. Um, it's just really figuring out what is present to see what is exact and what isn't. >> Yeah, >> that's part of it. But yeah, I'll get in touch with her and we'll see what she says. >> Yeah, I'll be curious to see what she says, too.

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>> Only because it seems odd because they were very willing to fix all of those things when we were going through the other process and now it's now we seem like we're at a little bit of a deadlock here. So, >> well, he was counting on solar happening, too.

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>> Then, I mean, I that's why they he tried to expand the track with the gravel. I don't know. >> Who knows? >> That was just my question about Rose. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Nothing. Nobody got anything else?

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>> Nope. Nope. Then I'll make a motion to close the meeting. I'll second. >> Wow. 639. >> All in favor?