okay I guess we're here to open the meeting now our first where that L's go what time did you open it six what time is it 602
okay um our first item is Steve McDon from amorisco you're hi should I bring this over to the table for people look at it or how do you want to do that I yeah I
don't really think it needs to be zoomed that okay I'll bring it over look at it but my name is Steve McDon development project development at amesco we built
the solar plus battery storage projects um at the Hamed landfill and uh came to our attention as we did the As built surveys that the fence line um was built outside of what was
originally um proposed to the Conservation Commission and so we had a discussion with John Flynn and the town attorney and they said hey you know bring it back to the Conservation Commission and make sure that they're okay with it and then we'll proceed with you know the next steps um so how this
came about was um when we originally proposed a project the the fence line was supposed to be on the landfill cap uh right along the landfill cap and you can tell there's like you know steep slopes on the landfill
cap and it was determined that basically there was going to be there was the because it's on the lanfield cap it had to be ballasted concrete blocks you couldn't puncture the cap with like a fence post so these concrete blocks
ended up being 5 feet by 3 feet by 18 in roughly three ,000 pounds each of concrete and they're every 10t along this portion of the the landfill cap so it's going to be 70 in total and our construction manager is concerned about
disruptive the vegetative layer and potentially damage on the cap by driving all the construction equipment like across the cap to get to this outside area so he discussed it with the building inspector at hamen Wendell he
was okay with it and he also met with Tom Spate from the D they did a s walk and they just walked the area where where the new fence would be and Tom Spade from the DP was also okay with it but what he neglected to do
was bring it to the Conservation Commission so um that's why I'm here tonight and I can show you where the fence is now uh we essentially moved it
5T off the landfill cap and this came about as we're again as we're doing the the um the asilt survey so the fence was supposed to be pretty much right along the lease area
here and the fence is now um through this area this is the limit of work and this is the wet lens so we're outside of the 25 foot wet lens that we're supposed to do as order conditions we weren't supposed to construct inside
the 25 foot buffer uh we were allowed to clear trees up until the 25 foot buffer but you know we didn't we didn't have to go that far so essentially the change here is that you know the fence got
moved into this area um but it's outside the 25t buffer the closest it gets to the wet lens is 42 feet so we're just requesting that you know in hindsight um we get approval for the current location of the Vets that's
the only request that we're we're asking tonight and feel free to come up if you want to take a closer look at we have little ones oh okay chair I have a couple questions what's the status of the order
uh the order actually was first approved by the Conservation Commission on August 18th 2021 so it has expired but there is a I'm not sure probably familiar with the permit extension act yeah so it's
still is this a request what did you ask put on their right uh the request is to approve the location so yes this is just hard to if it would be that would that's an amendment to order then
that's okay so sub to the commission sufficed be classified as a request to amend the order so there's three things you can do you can say this is a minor plan change and approve
canest to do an amended order so you do a legal notice of butter notification again issue an amended order you can say it's additional resource are impacts it's not additional resource area impacts you don't need to do it notice of intent so the only question is do you
approve it within minutes or do you actually do a have an amended ORD hearing that's in the discretion of the cons it's already there right it's already there yeah that's what outside of 25 but inside yeah a little
bit 45 away and we did have approval to do tree clearing up until the 25 foot Buck just know we couldn't take out the stops right moment the fence put in uh the fence was put
in um last May June 2024 so it's you know nine months nobody thought to come to the commission to ask yeah that's correct and that was an oversight on our part big
one I mean I would like to see it personally I don't know if anyone else has I haven't seen the fence up yeah I haven't been out there so the process could be a simple
is after you take your site visit you put it on the agenda again and you say this is fine we're going to approve it within the minutes you get a copy the revised plan throw it in the file and it's in the minutes and you're all set make a motion to that effect well we
have a meeting in two weeks so it's not like a long time yeah so I make a motion to um accept the parameters that Mark outlined based upon a site inspection and then a following meeting you you
don't want make that motion moment would be continue to two weeks in the meantime you Vis yes continuance for the next meeting based upon s inspection all in favor I
yeah so well we don't need you to be there to go look at it we know where it is we can just go one of us to attend be happy to attend in the event any questions all
right um commission get a full size copy uh yes I can leave you these copies yeah all right um Bonnie do you have his email I'm sure I do yeah yeah okay we
we'll figure out when we're gonna do it and then I'll send you an email and if you were somebody else wants to be there okay it be sometime next week hopefully okay then we'll just plan on reconvening in two weeks right yeah what is February 19
19th is the date okay all right sounds good Bonnie should I leave these here yeah you could just leave it on a table get it all how about the back table right behind you for now yeah okay thank you thanks all right thank for everyone
appreciate it okay thank you um okay next item is Mr basil seal is he here for his extension was it
basil or uman Road no he's not here well you then you have to um he did um um did send everything in that he need yes he did he um sent a a formal request for an extension on the orders
of conditions um and it's in here somewhere here it is and uh it's lot to we all know where it is it's lot two scantic
Road um and his conditions were um tentatively to unless till you vote on it extended until March 16th 2028 the last time that they were
extended was March 16th 2025 well we signed this a temporary extension back in no the order would expire would have expired then there was no because the order was issued in 22 the order was issued in
22 and then um it's supposed to expire this yeah that's right that was just the order yeah but we sign don't forget about the permit extension act two years so if you approve three years she actually gets five so the order will
technically expire in 2030 okay Bonnie and I will probably be long yeah maybe not but we signed an extension back in the fall for a temporary thing so that he do this
now so but this is the three-year one yeah but that would have been good until 36 2025 I don't know why you'd have to do a temporary one I don't know why we did that either but we did so so you have to uh vote on that so
where is it scantic road if you issued an extension last what was the expiration date of the extension what's he extending uh his order of conditions the lot to when the extension
let me see the original was 2022 to a different owner but the orders of conditions were still in effect when Mr ble bought the lot yeah but you don't have to change anything we didn't change anything okay the ERS so that was 316 2022 the
original orders of conditions Mr basil um I think he just got nervous about when yeah when to extend those orders correct yes right right right okay I know you're talking
about and then sold it to right so we need a motion for this to yeah approve it yeah so if you want to make a motion I'll make a motion to approve the order for a lot to scantic root lot too
scantic root S second I all in favor all okay I have a one to sign here yeah there's two of them yes I don't think they're still there
are they yeah it's still there I drove by yesterday but that have nothing to do with us so the big thing on the permit extension ACT people forget sometimes app don't
know you do cover letter when you send those out yeah do what do you use a cover letter when you send out no exension no I no make sure he knows it's got to be recorded and if you wanted to cover
letter you can say because of the per extension act or whatever they yeah you get a couple more years two more years because if he comes back in 2028 you need somehow in your records to remember what the governor and the
legislature did back then it was I think the governor signed it November last year order was valid order order order determination was valid between January
1 2023 and January 1 2025 it would be automatically extended for the additional two years there's no nothing you would have to do so he's getting a two-year extension now and it doesn't expire till
2027 well if you sign that now it's a good going be 2030 but I mean without signing it still have been years27 okay I'm sure he doesn't know that yeah no I'm sure he doesn't we
didn't know that we didn't know it but I don't think yeah I don't think he's G to do anything before there any but anyways um all right the next project did you close that one out
um yeah okay close that hearing on that say yes right um Mr bretti is next yes now you guys did a site inspection yes you did y you want to discuss the
site inspection no he just showed us where he's putting it everything and yeah yes I remember this guy hello Mr goetti remember the first time coming H so my knowledge uh drops off
a whatever three initials WP you asked me to fill out yeah I got it okay so I did do that you're all set and I also went to the state submitted all my documentation uh I also came back with a letter that I gave to
you the day I received it stating that I am all set to proceed as uh described with the two projects that I have correct that was with um nhp natural heritage yep so I'm I'm covered for both
neres and uh potential maer plants so got it that should be all set I'm not sure if there anything else that is required of me and for this board I believe we should be all set we should be able to proceed with a building permitted for
you um you are you're all well Tom yes okay why don't you describe your site inspection a little bit more we went there we looked we came back we saw where he was going to put the the garage um we sh saw where he was
going to and decided not to yeah saw where the septic system was installed um we tried to find any Wetlands anywhere near there couldn't yeah all right well we have a um a
determination um for you and it's a um I'll I'll read parts of it but it's a negative determination meaning that you're you're okay okay um and then for your description construction of a 30X 40t engineered metal building 10 foot
walls 12T Center Peak on a full perimeter 4T deep Frost wall footing with a concrete slab also constructed 22x 21 engineered car port with three enclosed sides on 6x6 Timbers on a
gravel or hardpacked base both projects being erected on already cleared open grass gravel areas the distance from the project to the resource area is approximately 375 to 400 ft and that's
one of the reasons these guys were out there with the site inspection um so what they issued is a negative determination that the area described in the request is not an area subject to
protection under the ACT um I would just like to say um that if you decide to do anything more and you get within 100 feet of that resource area you need to come back and um see me and um You
probably have to re file for anything else that you want to do yes F thanks Mark did he ask area or activities in his form one oh I don't I don't know if I brought let me
see oh here's a request um area description so any check off area or activities anything checked off I'm looking yeah whether the area depicted um on the plans and our Maps is
in an area subject to jurisdiction under the Wetland protection act whether the activities depicted is subject to the Wetland protection act RS whether the area Andor activities depicted um referenced above
is subject to the jurisdiction of any Municipal Wetland Wetlands ordinance or bylaw so we asked you three things so you have to answer three things area negative on the area is a negative one right negative on the activities
is4 negative on the bylaw is6 all right I have negative one then ne44 see whats the work described is not within an area subject to protection
including buffer zone doesn't require filing no so then six pertains to you guys have I can't yeah we do so you would check off something under ne6 not subject to I did do that one okay yeah
the Hampton conservation municipality the Wetland bylaw and regulations 10.0 21 okay a okay yeah I wasn't sure which ones to check off one woman at one part of the street said A and D and the next
one said c and d so I believe I checked three of them out of four well that's okay you're all right typically you don't need to do area I would just stick with activities sometimes wasn't sure said that's
fine long check off boundaries great okay here this if you just wait you can walk out with one of these yeah make a motion to accept the negative determination
on 115 Stafford 115 Stafford um as outlined in the the form there all in favor good okay all right here's one of them and
then I typed your name so you're going to have to write your names after that okay I filled it in I checked the other check is the one for the office got the other right there sorry that was
it and six is done hand deliver oh I see here's the other one one is for us is this all done yes he can have you can have that copy okay okay
oops so do we have uh people for the South Road Bridge they're come they're going to zoom in are they there is anybody in the no you know what she was having trouble
and you said the town of Hampton is down yeah the website's down okay all right postpone that then right huh we'll have to continue you can still um you could still discuss it the well
actually they presented it twice already they did and Scott and I actually stopped and looked at it the day we were out looking at those other places so that's the we didn't have to but we did you changed the last no
presentation it's just cones up there well it was a lot different than um the Main Street bridge in that they were only working on the surface of the bridge weren't going under it um they did apply to natural heritage
um and it's and natural heritage uh based on the review of the information provided that that this activity on the bridge will not adversely affect the actual resource area habitat of State protected rare Wildlife species
therefore it's in our opinion that this project meets the state listed species performance standard for the issue of an order of conditions and that came from um nhp and uh I mean I can't say much I'm not on
the commission but it didn't appear to have uh it didn't appear to have a lot of issues it was I thought it was pretty straightforward same here I didn't think I had that many
comments on no yeah I mean like I said we looked at it you know the footings are huge for such a small bridge but y um let me
see it was just um Bridge repairs uh and the bridge needed a new a new deck deck to it um and didn't they say something about the railings and things like that they're going to do too yeah that would be above yeah right
think the deck off right yeah the footings are not it wasn't uh storm water there was no issues with that um and then I and then I just checked
um that again the following conditions are necessary and I just wrote in our condition again the 25 ft um I don't know it seemed like a um once I got into it I was really surprised after
going through the Main Street Bridge yeah I know nii so Mark did you look at this one at all yeah I did I issu the I issu the file number back in uh whever it was December and I had no comments actually
right that was a good that was an intens y yeah cuz I didn't have anything in the uh preliminary orders here that referenced anything that you said the only thing I said was wait for Heritage
we've gotten Heritage so I I thought it was a decent fing okay so if you if you want you could vote to issue uh orders of conditions on this project and you that's all written out
already orders of conditions I worked on them yeah yeah okay they've been waiting a while they were ready um in January but then we didn't have a meeting so right okay yeah the notice of intent was filed um
November 26 okay so motion I'll make a motion to um approve approve the no first motion you have to make is close the public hearing
okay because that's that's actually a separate line conditions public hearing close Okay then you make the motion okay go ahead I make a motion to close the public hearing on this item
second all in favor now I make a motion issue order issue an order of conditions against this no for South brid South Road Bridge special conditions you want to throw
in I couldn't really think of any yeah except notification 48 hours prior it's always most use yeah we've always used it I think it's one of our standard isn't it something like that that Sil barriers right yeah that's all
standard yeah but it's not standard Mark's right it's not standard in the uh it's not a it's not a Bo that plate General condition so that you have 20 General conditions then extra call special conditions
add I can write it in and here's one no yeah there are two copies of this okay so just so you guys know the orders are conditions get reported determinations don't however
Bri and there probably is not anything to that can be recorded typically roads and bridges don't have AR ref reg so whether or not want to get it
recorded somebody call you have to repord against something like the town hall town the breach have anything and record was the main street brid recorded yeah I
that's it last should oh that's that's okay all right did everybody sh that one yeah the one I just gave you
yeah oh you have to make sure the file number posted not there yet okay thanks
okay next to be the replacement of the garage and wilham Road I'm Paz and4 [Music] there in April and months later someone crashed into
our garage their car fire need to beorn down I have pictures if you want the web and I can show you what happened there I saw it down the
street um if you go to my website paz.com garage garage so this is what I came out of my house to see that's from the back not from the road the road's on the other side so if you scroll down there's a next button just go through there only
six or seven of these so hit it and it took out the back wall it went through the air over so you can see the brook is right there where the fire BR is so went through the air over that little stone wall miss the trees the hill there there any
casualties no they walk away wow yeah keep moving so in the next picture um it's just showing more of what happened to the garage off the foundation got and their car is inside and didn't there W so if you go to the
next picture this is what's there now um and then the next so we want to rebuild that we may need to replace the foundation as you can see it's cracked there and then it was cracked before we bought that wasn't cracked by the car crash then in
the next picture uh you'll get a better idea of where the brook is in relation to what we're doing so the brook is there going under the Culver then the next picture just an overhead M the building inspector gave you a demo order uh they condemned it as unusable
as a garage so yeah yeah it it was it was it was leaning yeah it was off the it was leaning do so right after it happened the next day or maybe it was the same day I went over
and talked to him make sure that maybe it was the next day when they came to tear the garage down just to make sure they stayed away from the brook which they did and there was room so we like to rebuild it same location
the same size garage so if I can jump in sure there's actually an exempt Riverfront exemption so I'm assuming that's pral stream yeah okay so if we go to 1058 6A uh it says
changes and that's the grandfathering section any changes in existing conditions will which will remove fil d r to the riverr area it is subject 10508 except that the replacement within the
same footprint of structures be destroyed by fire or other casualty it's not subject to the riverfront regulations okay so it is within 100 ft so it's got to be at least an RDA but it
does not have to be I mean you cannot apply the Riverfront standards to the work okay so it if if he rebuilds in the existing footprint it's just a buffer own project there's no flood plane here
is there no what FL plane I don't think so no so it's just going to be a Buffer's own project yeah so you should fill out an RDA okay so I had a question about the the determinations in the RDA okay she can answer that for you
activ C and D C and D so C is activity D is [Music] bylaw do you have a do you have a a full RDA to fill out have you I'm sure you go on do you go on the Hamden Mass web page
when it's up um in there go into conservation and then you will see a menu where you can pick request for determinations just hit that and print it out yeah and um then you know you have to
get it back to me and then that needs to be posted in the paper yeah there's a timeline I don't yeah that's written that the timeline is explained in the five it's like 21 days or something well to get it back are you talking about
when to get it back to me to to get it posted and then after after we get it back to you then you have to post a and then we have to post it in the paper we post it in the Hampton wilham times in the very back section and um then it
won't be it won't be ready for a regular February meeting um because I need more time than that so um if you get it in anytime before um say February I don't
know 25th then I can get it into our mid-march meeting okay all right don't forget to send a copy okay and the March meeting is the 19th of March
okay jury duty on the 19th so we'll see get back here 6 o00 well maybe we're a good excuse had to go to JY so then then we'll set some orders of conditions okay a few but okay okay thank you for coming in
okay thank you thank you stupid how old your baby good surprise for him or her little girl look at the way she's that morning huh okay we have um oh yeah noi on wil Bram
road yeah right yes the one you yeah yes good evening my name is John toesy with ourc Associates and I'm here to present a notice of intent filing plan to allow for the construction of a single family home a driveway and a storm water
management system um located on a parcel on wilham road here in the town um this is the plan nice and colorful uh just for a reference this is wilham road so we're on the east side North is up which always makes things convenient um I said the parcel is on
the easterly side of wil Bram Road it contains it's about 20.4 acres in total uh there's much more of the parcel off to the east this is just the you know the Western portion of it um it's undeveloped currently it's mostly wooded has been selected three clearing up on
this on this Westerly Edge uh there is an existing Wood Road sort of funnels its way up following the similar path to where the proposed driveway is um there are number of wetlands in and around mostly along the
perimeter um there are isolated vegetated Wetlands there's one up here uh I should say also the the property slopes uh from west to east I'm sorry east to west so that the house is up on
on the high side of the of the property um there is a like I said there's an isolated vegetated Wetland here sort of uh just a low point in the slope um there's a second ivw over in here and then there are two bordering vegetated
Wetlands there's one over in here that extends off the property and a second one over in here that again extends on the adjacent property um so what the the owner and applicant is looking to do is construct a single family home up here
uh on the slope and to do that you will need quite a driveway to make it up there um to to to the house uh as part of it we had to design a storm water management system uh which we did there
uh there's so we had ended up having three surface infiltration basins there's one up here one here and one down right at wilam Road um it will be serviced obviously by septic and well that will be located up here near the
house um the the the easterly portion of the property is subject to edhs P jurisdiction that line is right in here and then it all then the rest of the remainder of it is in nhp and HP
jurisdiction the applicant did file with them we didn't receive a note take letter uh I think it was towards the end of December um however there will have to be uh sheet
here there is Eastern Box culbert or Easter Bo Eastern Eastern box turtle that we'll have to prepare a turtle protection plan for ultimately uh should uh you know in order PE you the project move forward so um I think that covers
everything I don't know anyone has any questions I I I'm the clerk my I have a question how how large are those isolated Wet Ones uh acreage wise oh acreage uh
I I don't I'm have to look it up I don't see it on the well would you say quarter acre or not even I mean we're talking probably probably not even a th000 2,000 square feet there there this is the extent of it here I'm not sure if that
information I don't I don't have it on there all right I only asked because in the town of H and Wetland bylaws an a of an acre is considered isolated yeah not a quarter like this state okay which means that if it was an
eighth of an acre it would have protection okay um I will say we do we do show a 50 and a 50 a 50 and a 100 foot buffer from both of them um all let's see where is
the this one here all all work and Grading is outside the 50 foot I'm not sure exactly what your bylaw says regarding isolated and again I don't even know if they're you know square footage wise if they reach that threshold um again and this one back
here uh there was just a some grading you know behind the house within the 50 Foot buffer so I don't I don't know exactly what your bylaw says but um I can get those numbers for you certainly I don't I don't know that I have't LED with me right now I mean we were I I'm not the Wetland
sort of expert in our office he is aware that you that hamton does have a bylaw so I'm sure he looked into it and um that's Ryan yes correct Ryan was up there with me yeah I guess you I don't know who there was a site visit
Yeah question you didn't see I wasn't there if I can further explain on the natural heritage yeah the original filing was only Under The Endangered Species Act it
was not under 31c Mark 1059 so you don't have approval yet from Heritage right correct we did uh well you didn't say that I'm sorry you didn't say that you said you do have you did
get a letter from natural heage at the end of December saying about the box turtle but you didn't mention it was only under the Nissa okay I I'm not I apologize for that I don't uh I know that there's still a piece of it that they they have
their review window doesn't expire I think till this another week and a half or so um 30 days to issue one and that's so that we don't officially I I'm not as okay as well as I guess I should be about how that I was aware of that
though I so correct so theion can't Clos correct right that's done okay so there's no other Wetlands or water that you saw besides the
isolated when you're I saw the area there's it's yeah yeah the storm water basins but actually the one up and the other side couldn't see it at all but with the storm water basins what
kind of sols you have up there group they they varied all there there BC's and A's um I mean they weren't the greatest soils but they weren't the worst you know we we do have the two P of Separation on all the basins and know
they're all designed well Bonnie was asking me about Stone water I recommended the uhps look at it because okay he's the one that's going to have to clean up any mess for anything that comes
down right I mean you know during construction if you get a uh oh you can to have a construction what do you call it construction stone at the entrance uh anti tracking a correct yes
say oh yeah I mean that's that's standard that there should be a detail strong water is not subject to the weather's protection act for single family houses so it's not something so it's something more pertinent to the DPW
boss than the commission okay yeah and I will give uh Mark langon that tomorrow the okay to water book yeah yeah the book okay
so nothing we really do right now right no I just wanted to mention um again just being a clerk but I've been on the commission a long time that the commission has their own bylaws as you as I mentioned earlier with the isolated
Wetland so that with um once we get into it and then they have to um they will have to designate all of the Wetland areas on that piece of property um and they'll have to
designate them with permanent markers okay and we have we actually I don't I don't think I have one with me but we actually have a a uh directions on what we want done for permanent markers so that they can be found with a GPS is
that um is that something you where you would know let us know where you want them location wise or they place they have to be buffer or well it's it's up to the um commission but they're usually either 25 or 50 feet
apart sure requirement in your bylaw or just general practice no that's uh bylaw we had a couple of uh public hearings to get this through here's a copy of of what it is
um and it will be included in your um in the orders of conditions okay anybody have any other questions at this point no Mark do you have anything else to add do you have anything else I I don't
know what else I can say I guess we need to continue aside oh yeah we need to wait for the results so and the turtle plan and well you don't have to wait for the plan per say right but
the you can't you can't require it yeah but you can ask for a copy of it okay but it's got to be done well for natural heritage not for you guys yeah yeah we kind of work along with
them on some of the properties you know with a permanent markers and whatnot you're used to work Heritage here Prett much everything's Heritage yeah a lot there yeah well you you need
to make a motion then to continue um the hearing on zero wilam road until March what 19th correct March no no Fe what February is going to be weeks from now if the information's
in by then that's right that you it should be that's it should be it should be in in two weeks all right then that other letter that you showed me keeping yes keeping doing their time good
yeah okay then make that motion to continue make a motion to continue lot zero wam road until our next meeting 19th February
19th I second well favor I thank you very much thank you it's pretty good map you brought there I like the color I could take credit okay the only other thing is that South
Ridge Road violation thing violation uh yeah we have a um all right I don't want to I'm just trying to keep all my paperworks together we have a violation on um well you guys went to it on South Ridge yeah
Scot kned um an enforcement order clearing in the W yeah we think so I didn't actually walk in there because it was tough to walk in
there it was it was a neighbor two properties away three properties away that called it in so we met with her we went behind her house which she said everything behind her house
is protected whether it's wet or not but so we walked into the woods over there and that's where we saw the the storm warm water basin there behind the one next to her and I thought do this what she's talking about but then we
walked out farther and we could look over and beyond that there's a house with animals and they've got it cleared way out into the woods there's what they're
talking okay and um too but this is the same for the animal I don't know was it was clear we we didn't really see the animals oh okay but we didn't go into it and we didn't
go on their property we were like so the storm water basin who supposed to maintain that the originally the the subdivision was and now that was built in the 90s okay so is the town involved in
maintaining it all no I don't think they do any of them okay has this ever received a certificate of compliance um forget I I looked up I looked up the file and I can't remember what I
found the street a certificate of compliance um some of the some of the Lots did these Lots were yeah it was this lot that had its own order of conditions
right one of these Lots yeah okay so what do you guys want to do well don't we typically send a violation notice and them they have to respond within a certain amount of
time if we don't know who's doing the clearing if if it's that property behind that house or if it's the actual property owner which is different okay well you can always go after the
property owner right yeah that's what I went that was but we're assuming that he cleared it that was my suggestion and then if it's not him he goes after the other person right right I mean if you know who did it you can go after both
the owner right and the person you did it so here's here's the issue always with enforcement the burden of proof is always on the Conservation Commission it's like bur proof is on the police yeah you know to to prove a crime has
been committed in this case a what protection violation so you've actually got it documented I mean so violation notice is like a slap on the it's you know you can't take it to court you can't do
anything uh but you might get your foot in the door and get out and get permission to get on the site and then see see what you can get from there is the forecast tomorrow here or rainet or
snow okay it's changing in the morning anyway yeah so nice after we might have to wait until you might have to wait until March right to do anything in the meantime acire information if you want
to send out a violation notice uh feel free do they have certain per time in which to respond to viation well it's not it's not legally enforceable so you can put almost
anything in a violation notice so you it's up to you or us yeah it's up to the commission the commission and then if that doesn't work and you have evidence that is actually what and felt then you can issue the enforcement order and
there's a lot more involved not a lot more involved you need more information uh to prove your case because that can be appealed it would get appealed to Superior Court so let's say you wish you an enforcement order and you say come to
the next meeting and they don't come to the meeting uh and two months goes by and you hear nothing now you have a legally enforceable document if you wanted to take that to Superior Court do you have
anything in your bylaw on enforcement um if yeah we do fines but that's about it okay so you have the ability to isue fines yeah okay so that's another topic of discussion because you can't do the
fines under the weapons protection act so all I can say is in the meantime try to require information if you want to start by issuing a violation notice you don't have to do it tonight you can wait put it on the next agenda uh go from there and see yeah
okay yeah because what I did under the extent and type of activity um because I've been on this since started so you created a actual the commission was notified I'm G read for them by D that you of clear cutting
in an area of the subdivision protected by the Wetland protection act as well as the Hampton Conservation Commission conditions number 23 and number 24 address this issue in the orders of conditions dated October 29th
1997 number 23 States at no time present or future is there to be any disturbance within the Wetland boundary as shown as shown on the submitted site plan I lost my place site plan where did they go condition
condition number 24 the the border of the resource areas and limit of work areas on site shall be clearly marked in the field by Stakes or flags at 25 ft intervals this was the original in
1997 um surveyed and recorded on a plan offset Stakes shall be set at all Corner points and all Corner points shall be identified by installing 10 foot pressure treated 4x4 byx 10 foot post 4et into the ground and painted a color
acceptable to the commission so you don't think you have those out there no okay I doubt it no and in in the area that we did were able to see there wasn't anything so so did you want to issue
this tonight but if they comply with what you are requiring to do won't be a is that what you aren't you require that well the to me the issue is more of instead of the fence post which you guys have been
doing forever and ever well that was now we know fence post this the issue to me is this is where we were clearing behind her house right here right the the Basin that he's Basin is like right here again all this is
clear hold this hold on violation notice first she's saying anything in her house this is yeah everything behind you violation notice would he over here down at this end it's not but this is the one
there either he came to our meeting and building yeah well he's listed at the board of assessors this guy over here and that's okay get on the property and you're golden the protected the Wetland is in here somewhere the
violation notice do they have they don't have to do anything there's a border well if you issue an enforcement order or violation boundaries they can blow you off whichever if they want I can't record the gis either D common we had wondering how
how much teeth that had does it have a comp oh this has more teeth I mean as long as it's written correctly yeah F yes okay so you're asking them to expired stop what you're doing resour
alterations restored restoration I know it was just a couple trees I my guidance on ISU enforcement let me send it to you tomorrow okay uh because that
language uh there's a step or two for it that you want to get into you want to get get the person into the meeting and two make sure he hires a Weapon Specialist because by only saying submit a restoration plan you know uh he could
hire you to write the restoration plan and you be complying enforcement so let me send you some okay and what would you be better off just letting it revegetate itself if it
will that's a win what I I don't comprehend and I haven't done what you plan on the site is it in the process of being clear did it stop we couldn't tell it was clear but we couldn't tell
if it was newly cleared there were heavy there was Heavy Earth mov there right still those were up near the house but they were they were there there y I'm a big fan of you know 100 ton
Boulders few T Boulders yeah some towns like that yeah so anyway uh it's on the agenda so meaning you can discuss what you want about it do you want to issue it so I would I would get
into the discussion mode now she's got wait to you something I have additional language exactly that gives okay that makes sense me and I'll be glad to look at anything I mean it's
good he complies it's a good enforcement order he doesn't comply then you really need to be more precise how uh difficult is the property owner to
deal with you know who he is yeah um well I haven't the commission hasn't dealt with him in quite a few years because this started in the in the 90s what I my question was suggestion was going to be if we send
whatever to him will he respond and and at least come back and explain to us that maybe it's not a violation maybe he's not even aware it's going on that's true he might not be aware correct yeah sometimes a violation
notice that's worded politely get more that's that's where I was going with that yeah but you never know right never know well yeah I mean we can wait a couple weeks and it's not going to hurt
the ground's frozen no there no sometimes you know and maybe he maybe he doesn't because in the original plan for that whole area that was always cut out as a wetland there's like 13 acres or
whatever it was always and he was at one point going to uh donate it to the town because he couldn't do anything with it but he never did okay so he does he live in the subdivision
no yeah he may not even know what's going on it could be kids out there doing but he's clearing land up at the other end of the yeah correct but that's but I know that's okay that's okay that's try NSP
nothing so it sounds like maybe work on on on a violation notice a soft approach first yeah yeah yeah we at least need to get something to him so he knows that we don't have enough information to go right and then
at the very least you know if he wants to respond and then maybe do you have orig he can get his permission to go look or whatever yeah I have the original yeah yeah yeah they're a little
moldy from the closet down there oh well that could change pretty soon right okay but I want to get back to on the specifications your corner post and the so as you know want turn to the in the
order of conditions there's 20 b plate General conditions there's a section in the order for special conditions under the W protection act
there also a section the next page which is special conditions only for the by corre so if if you have separate requirements that pertain only to the bylaw only put them in the bylaw section not in the weather's protection section
correct we do we always do that special conditions uh all right one more thing the farm we they never appealed the AG Agro voltaic they never appealed the denial the uh Glendale Road yeah oh
oh they they revamped their proposal I went to the planning board where they went to with a new propos proposal but they didn't ask anything formally they was just the FYI and they cut out one whole section
that whole upper right section it's just G gone and nothing's happened since all right is there still work is there still proposed work remaining that's within won's jurisdiction I the rest of it don't
think so but from what they were saying and I didn't see anything official the only question I have is you know you've got documented violations from all that per and want to take enforcement action against it against the
farm because that's that's a done deal you got you got everything you need to get restoration something to consider you know terms of far in terms of farming by some of the neighbors were
calling me and I'm saying it's totally up to the commission to do MH I didn't want to you know step on your toes and tell you what to do because I can't tell you what to do but here you have a Cas solid case of violations documented by
the peerreview oh be before the solar part of it you talking about just the farming itself yeah so it would be nice to get some kind of especially stop mowing the wetlands yeah you know I hate that y
right so anyway I'd just like you to consider it well they don't have any animals there that just didn't happen and he remove they removed that part of the project too okay but there aren't any there
now but he's just Parks his trucks there yeah so anyway as you know enforcement and responding not quite enforcement is the hardest part of being a conservation commissioner absolutely the T
step so you know nobody you're not obligated to take enforcement action it's totally discretionary on your part so you know you use your discretion where you going to get the
most bang for the buck period And I tell this all the time you know because I know how hard you know I was chair of my own commission for 12 years and I know how hard it is
so I mean d thanks each and every commission for the for the volunteer work you do and for for for the volunteer uh boards you guys do awesome
work so I thank you thanks thanks so well we're glad you're back yeah so I just do the best job you can and I'm still here when I'm going to retire I don't
know same time Bonnie does yeah probably sometime so it was good to be coming out here yeah I'm glad you did about four years since I've been out here really yeah well you should come out more often I got six times Well if if this if
the Glendale Road well should we close the meeting first before we yeah talk anymore oh this is deja hi she's our newest staff person I think we met before I don't know did you come out to something Rec no I remember your name
for some reason I you speak to Bonnie on the phone were you on Zoom for something things one time I don't know she's been with us a little over a year and I think she likes the job having fun okay so T what do you actually what is
your position what do you do I'm an environmental analyist nice soting some enforcement a little bit different than do but it's been good to follow them around and see what he does and yeah vital resource so TR to soak up as much as I can nice and she's found is so much
to learn yeah so I try to tell her as much as I can and she she volunteers she doesn't have to come out she volunteers to come to some of the commission meetings which is
fantastic on the ground this is where like you said at the beginning Rich history of know so yeah what about I have another question before we close conservation agents have you seen that
position in many towns you were supposed to be working with Grandy right yeah and they backed and Grant so what Granby did and wend will tell you that they hired or there was a commission member they were having trouble finding
some so they actually hired a commission member their agent to be their P so the big deal right now is it was State grant money uh who is it
Williamsburg waitley not hly uh Buckland or other town uh they got grant funding for a one-year term to have a conservation
agent handle all five communities wow and after the first year they TR to start coming up with a way to fund the position and it's actually working out great to five days a week so whether or
not she you know so even if you know she's supposed to be one dat for Holly like I guess one day but she doesn't going on you know and she gets called from any other towns she can still respond so it's like me being there but
only for five tals which is fantastic uh she's learning a lot uh she's kind of new with this but I try to spend time with her training her I mean I've trained most of the agents out here uh Greenfield just got a part-time
agent the problem with part-time agents is that you either find somebody who's young and working their way up or you find somebody that's retired and doesn't care that it's only a two or
three day a week job a young person is going to move on Green Field uh is gone through like nine or 10 agents in 15 years because it's always been part-time positions and everybody's learn what
they can and then they find something else and they move to the other town uh East Long Meadow has a full-time I think he's assistant planner
conservation uh Alex grigorov uh he was going to come here yeah where'd he go he's still in East Long Meadow and his wife is long meadow tree warden in Long Meadow yeah she does 30
hours as tree Warden uh 10 hours as kcom agent so she's there fulltime agam might be looking for someone soon because the chair uh 90 years old Henry he might retire and and they toile number 600
chain the only reason I don't have an agent is because Henry is Henry has you know like you the knowledge the history all the paperwork he knows everything that's going on in town but if he leaves retires they have to decide what they're
going to do they have a conservation clerk that they may make into the agen uh was it mson as a full-time agent uh uh Springfield has somebody
full-time uh but the smaller towns like you you know you're lucky if you can get a secretary you know thank God willing to pay for you because if not you know all the paperwork would default and answering the phone everything else
would default on you guys you guys so there is grant money but it's only for one year uh sharing an agent is going to be is is probably the way to do it because you're not going to
get a full-time agent funded for Amden not going to happen you'll never get it to town meeting uh but a shared agent might work oh uh waham you know you got Melissa over there who's the assistant to the
building inspector who also does the conom work so you your best bet is to have the agent's job combined with something else in town hall to get more
hours because you got to pay them benefits you got to now if you're only if you're only pay them for 19 hours with no benefits they're going to walk as soon as they find something else right so there's I mean basically conservation
commissions you guys are an unfunded mandate you know you're enforcing state law and without any recompense from the state board except for me you got me and Deja and the other
staff in the office were always there to help or we can't do your work for you like an agent can so I'm always pushing whenever I can for agents is tough is Alex
what else does he have besides I think he does assistant planner as well oh he's got a planner his boss is the town planner he's the assistant planner conservation because we liked him I mean we came in interviewed him he's the one
that we were yeah yeah okay yeah I don't know why he went to East Long Meadow instead of here I have no idea well because they because they didn't want to hire him here cuz they Grammy backed out and town didn't we only had half yeah
you know he would have cut himself in half at the time bar marle was here and he was really pushing Gran B to yeah I know yeah Holland has secretary but not an agent they used
to have an agent uh but I guess that was defunded last year in the town meeting budget uh whal has a secretary thank God
who's who's who does uh the minutes for both planning and conservation she's a great great person does a very nice job uh Warren
has a part-time secretary so again the towns even have part-time secretaries are doing well they're lucky they they have I mean like to see uh what I encourage though
sometimes have all boards secretary where they handle minutes for for house planning DBA forget that it's all nighttime meeting so it kind of sucks for the person but some towns do have that
position so I have no good answers for you all I can give you more examples okay who's in charge of D is it Kathleen something no our regional director is Mike borski who was or still is I think
the fire chief here in town yeah he Liv I'm not sure if he's a chief anymore but yeah he lives here in town yeah he had been the fire chief here in town yeah okay so that's why Hampton always has a special place in [Laughter]
his um we do have one more thing to do what minutes from the last oh yes the minutes um from the last two meetings because we didn't have one okay we're gonna take off yeah thank you very very mucha can you do me a
favor and sign in over there for your first or both of you actually if you didn't thanks an awful lot sign take care thanks for coming appreciate it and I give you my
card yes I thought Dan was coming toight lard Park and rest thought you had said that the other day oh he going back already no Blanchard then just point the pickle
ball yeah Oh I thought you said he oh oh oh pack and pack and back yeah yeah yeah when I talked to you the other day I thought you said that he yeah yeah he was going to come back in but okay he's got a he's working on a notice of intent okay
yeah what is what's the Ballard Brook oh is that the South Road yes Ballard Brook okay that's Ballard Brook told you it was going to be a long minute it was by three one
you haven't heard from Liz NOP I you know I included her in the email me too didn't want to sell her house yet I haven't heard from her at all oh
not since we went out for Christmas that was the last time yeah changes or anything Mo what I think it's just a review of what we've accomplished please this is a
minute oh that is yeah there's also a paper in there I had to submit to the um the town report town meeting you know you get that book and that goes in the book okay want to make I make a motion to accept the
previous two session meeting minut second all in favor all right done there another form that you send out to sign in return I don't think we have yeah I sent you uh she sent it
but I didn't I forgot to yeah do it okay yeah did yeah well Eva's not on my she's not too much on my case about it she's the one that wants them all but yeah just click on the link and it it's right there okay
yeah anything else anybody anything to say before we close meeting motion to close the second I make a motion to close the meeting I all right who made that motion
Greg I did 7:28 p.m. 29 all in favor all right okay got who's got second that yout if I was chairing I can't oh motion
org mtion to close scottt seconded all in favor