##VIDEO ID:sbBS1kNYKBs## and everyone has a copy of his determination folder and some of you went out to the property correct got an idea okay would you like to explain what your to the rest to the whole group yeah so it's a uh um 2ar garage basically with a overhang uh right in the backyard and it's adjacent to the um the 200 foot I guess uh uh water uh what do you call that the Riverfront Riverfront um that's really it not much to when we went and looked at it I was going to measure but we couldn't get in there it is so thick that we couldn't measure but if he's well without well out of the 25 and the 50 and the 100 so anything oh yeah he's got that GS map and located the area in question which is right on the perer of the 200 foot well it might go over it just a little bit and everything runs still downhill there too there's anything it'll run downward right definitely got to have some Sil fences and stuff oh yeah that's that goes without saying that should be on but it stays it stays super dry that's the uh it's not really wet there at all well everything's dry yeah an official I know it's super dry out level three I don't know if we've ever been a level four but has anyone well dried up yet no no water at my mom's house did it dry out it's the sputters what I heard really all the shallow ones yeah even another person I know they're not that deep they're only like it's not that deep it's like 100 foot oh that's deep the one um up here North Road he's like 50 to 75t and it's doing similar the one at my house is 220 so I guess that's what I've got I think I don't know what my brother I guess I'm lucky I have a shallow well it's been fine oh that's good we had to call out the plumber come look at what was going on so is there any other places This Barn this is the only spot that was made sense this is pretty much the only one everything else is like it's all Hill yeah it's even more Steep and yeah the house is here and it's l here and then it goes down to the steep grade down the garage all around it steep grade as well and then this is all going towards the house or going towards the everything is deeply graded from the street yeah the house has been level now can he go closer to the street what's the set off no there's it's a hill it's probably like 30° yeah yeah it's we can go skiing up there this is like like you said is the only place to put it South Ridge I have no idea where South Ridge is meither is it the top of South Road oh and he's right at the cuac at the end of Ito that's right up the road okay so now where would you like the where would you guys like the um Sil fence it's got to be below it below the work yeah downhill yeah so it would have to go down here somewhere this is where he's building yeah so it's got to be down there and is and is that area all vegetated you said to put the yes once you get in there it is but there is is it cleared where putting in yeah yeah it's already been cleared where that's going okay so along the edge of it we need to know the limits of work because you're gonna if he can dig you know he's gonna are you putting a footing and everything in um yeah we'll be putting um like post and beam type footings sonit tubes yep and now you tring to clear anything beyond what has been cleared already just brush if anything okay not not not anything big now yeah cuz that's all in the original um orders of conditions that's all protected area yeah yeah there's just some brush that's what he was uh getting at like when it's kind of dense it's like bushes and things of that nature vines really thick just V it's kind of viny in there I would say it's probably like could you measure from the cue SEC over to get a better idea where it is well the measurements right here that's that's from up there okay and this is the other side over here so yeah I know but if you measured to find out if it's actually in the riverfront or not we don't know well it's close you have to measure from here yeah yeah I couldn't we couldn't get in there you couldn't even get the brush you know maybe starts like right here and it's it's like super thick uhuh so how many um son tubes you have any idea I think when when we bring it up with wend that would be the next step you know whatever he's going to approve on that well I'm just wondering about the you know when they put in the sonit tubes I mean there isn't lot of um soil that comes up but there is soil and I'm just wondering um as far as protecting yeah this area from the soil it would just be the one side of it that would be against that brush you know the other you know probably all that soil needs to be put in a separate area where it can't go anywhere what do you mean when it's pulled out you yeah when you pull you're going to have a lot of dirt something you're going down four feet you're going to have a foot diameter tube four feet down that's quite a bit of dirt and you have a few of them because you're 32 foot by 32 foot I'm guessing yeah at least every eight feet right or something that would make sense to me yeah so that's four per side so the dirt has to go back somewhere in that so you're not having a slab um no we're going to do post and beam and then we'll just pour a floor inside of it so you are pouring a floor SL a wood SL a w floor yeah but it's not going to be like any yeah yeah it's gonna be a concrete slot so you sure you're not doing footing I don't know if you can put according to one they said the post and beam will be all right according to him when I last spoke to him but he said to pass the building inspector yeah it would be HBY yep yep one hobby do you have a contractor yet yeah yeah yep need I'm a little confused with the post and Po and beam right is that the building is going to be posting beam you know like how they build buildings and barns and houses post yeah yeah but it's it's similar to what she's saying it goes into a son tube iook oh so it's then you're you're you know you're you got your bottom plate attach to that and then your studs come off of that the son tube is the footing it is yeah yeah the other thing is is to pour a whole thing concrete below the frost level that's what I think you were thinking of a slab that would be a slab but yeah you're not doing that not doing that we're just going to pour a floor but with the sonot tubes being the underneath yeah that those are the footings yeah okay he's probably I'm guessing there have to be at least every eight feet right so if you're 32 you're going to have one on each end yeah in the middle yeah no it's just around the edge if it's be middle too yeah yeah how wide is it 32 feet by 32 feet oh all right so you're gonna have so there will you're GNA like four on each side yeah so there's going to be four on that back side yeah probably four in the middle yeah we we said 32 by 32 but we may make it 32 by 24 we're still kind of debating that but we just said go off with these measurements just the the Str yep exactly so basically the dirt that you on Earth for the for the Sono tubes you have to put in a contained area so it doesn't do have any run off or remove it completely or remove it yeah preferably gotcha it can't go in that riverfront area because if oh that's no problem you know what you're gonna do with it I can use it for all the other parts of the hell guess I could build up with it yep that would be fine yeah yeah get it level yeah yeah lots of use for fill actually okay before anything starts you got to put in the silt fence oh yeah yeah we figured that actually on that whole Edge it may be yeah with all that brush they're going to have to cut the brush no they don't have to cut any brush to put the soap fence no well there's enough distance I think between the plan construction and and the edge of the oh okay all right okay put it right at the edge of the brush yeah okay um and do we want if it's that steep do we need something besides like hay bales right straw that area that he's constructing on this level okay well yeah I know I know she's saying she's talking about if it run off like if it we think it's gonna be a problem then silt fence may not right be enough I see yeah maybe the ha hay bales behind it yeah that's what I was thinking that's easy to do yeah it's actually straw torrential and it comes that hill so you put the through the construction area down the hay bale like this on the edge of the brush over here and then you put the sil FS here I mean tacked into the ground yeah that's usually two staks per hay B straw Bell right that'll keep it from collapsing yeah yeah but if you use the hay veils behind it to support and'll stop your erosion too which is good Fe yeah yeah all right soz I'm going to I'm writing this in so you um you decided that he's going to in this whole area you want the silt fence no just behind the constru just a u shape around the construction all just around the construction okay so you want silt fence and then you want straw bail supported with straw bales behind it with double Stakes yep yes okay and then you'll have to call us what 48 hours before construction to let us know so we come out check out the sils oh okay we'll have that set up before we do any good enough we don't trust you but yeah you guys come up you find a couple of toothpicks yeah right yeah there's a problem there yeah have you built the uh fishnet and tooth driveway yet yeah there is one there driveway y it's hardack yeah yeah it's dirt but yeah we got to put some hard pack down and okay about it yeah but yeah it's all ready to go all right I'm just going adding this to the two and I don't know if you want to make a condition out of it just that the the dirt they take out for the footings need to be placed secured somewhere not in the river front not tossed down the hill yeah right yeah oh no trust me I need a lot of if you guys have extra dirt ship it up no I use some myself yeah you got to try to straighten out that mountain a little bit yeah I know and we probably should put that do you have a set set of well RDA so spoils is it called spoils yeah spoils wait minut called spoil that's I've called Ito from sonat tub's placement needs to be put oh side of the riverfront area soil from the Sal yes what is the name of that River anyway does it have a name I don't know I don't know oil dug up from placing the sonit tubes or did you even River I've never seen anything declared a wetland because of a soil something yeah there's that retention p but that's way behind the outside you think that's protected too the retention P yeah wonder if it comes from that retention must go to the hon ma. go to GIS oh there and then you can search them there for wetlands and you can look or anything really and show you your Wetlands well it's like Liz wants me to come up her property all right we just started talking at the dump yeah I don't know I said well I can come up there just as a friend and say just stay out of [Laughter] here you need to do anything come see us and come join the community okay I think we're supposed to be seven that's Max yeah yeah Max yeah used to have seven yeah we got two or three potentials right here but three potentials yeah there were supposed to be two of them here tonight guess they're not really interested they're not that interested no the two-year-old is sick no there was another one two other ones oh the one I talked to two more he was going to be here must be outside okay okay want me to read it sure all right this was um uh dated October 28th 2024 and um we have issued a negative determination number three the work described in the request is within the buffer zone as defined in the regulations but will not not alter an area subject to protection under the ACT therefore it does not require filing a notice of intent subject to the following conditions all work will be outside the 100 foot buffer silt fence with double Stak straw bales will be placed behind the work area soil from the Sait tube placement must be outside the foot protected area from the stream yeah yeah okay okay so you have two of these to sign so that I can keep one for the office all right I didn't I didn't uh mark them I still P around yeah the Mustang that's my neighbor really yeah I got a Mustang but you could hear it electric that's not a must oh do you have the electric one electric GT yeah yeah oh thing is fast that's not a Mustang well it's kind of like a uh I've got one to that's how I know it drill the power is instant instant and 0 to 60 and 3.6 seconds very nice do you want to pass that one just him yeah he can walk away with it oh wait no I have got ask my neighbor wait I have to check that we gave that's the Mach isn't it the I've got a GT it's not the a 23 it's one year old okay here it goes hand delivery it's pretty fast November 20th we're close all right I've got like a oh you played with that no that stop is it really yeah it's like 480 or 485 stop wow I didn't touch it no supercharge or nothing ni good oh yeah and I can have dampeners I can make it quiet if I want oh y you know if I don't want to wake the neighbor I want be a nice neighbor nice nice it is I will as soon as all right no I just we'll see you probably now day it's a convertible okay all right all right this the neighbor has a black one but his isn't convertible black also yeah you want me everybody got his right after I got mine you could be the letter literally after M I guess he must have been poking up the window make a motion that we C close the hearing for the W request foration request for determination for what was it uh 23 South Ridge second all in favor we're done thanks everyone appreci build I'll let Monty know yes yeah yeah just let her know when the silt fence is put call in yeah check out your Mustang I mean look at yeah check it out so F so good let's do the must yeah yeah yeah all right okay thanks guys have a good night you too all right I guess we're opening the meeting for the extension for o un lot two scantic road we have a um a letter from the guy asking for his extension yep was trying to build a new home yeah it will not be completed by 31625 2025 that's when the old one expires so he actually has three more months yeah he wanted to do it early yeah he wanted to get it jump on it lot two is this the old p here proper yeah any discussion has anything changed out there as far as the wet nobody living out there but he is yeah yeah but he um he came to the meeting last time last month and okay talked to him a little bit and nothing's been done on it other than him putting in his little driveway and his trailers but the permanent markers are never been put in or anything like that they were supposed to have been done by peler before he built but okay he walked away want him to put those in before we can we do that well well you inherit whatever problems you get yeah so so the the permanent markers are not there so we should make him do it so we need to give him a copy of the order of conditions and say yes he should have that copy yeah he should have it when he bought the property he should have gotten it right right well you never know did right doesn't mean he did yeah I and I can give him another copy but I think he did because he knew that it wasn't up until March okay so do we need him to put those in before before we issue an extension I don't know oh I don't know if he's going to be able to if the if we get cold the ground's going to freeze I well yeah that's was one of the that was one of the original things that had to be done right is there a place on the extension that we can just there are put not that yeah I mean if he would let us on the proper do we know what the other is there anything else that needed to be done do you know do we have the order of conditions yeah I do have the order you do somewhere I mean I try to get on the property to go see it and I contacted him he never answered me I wanted to go look but he said there were no markers there but I don't know for sure because we haven't been able been allowed on it this property mostly Wetlands anyway yes most of it a lot so there's going to be all kinds of issues here it's it's impossible to build the build area is very small I don't know how he's going to put anything got to build a six-story house like 20 by 20 I don't know I'm just exaggerating but yeah that's why P didn't want to yeah and then there was a couple other buyers after peler that had the same problem um so I I have it I I have the orders right on my uh other desk so I can I can go grab those if you want to look at I can grab them so you don't have to walk that's okay you want to test this key anyway yeah I try it out sure you don't want me to go I can do it all right I'm just wondering if there's anything else yeah and we well that lot had a lot of um problems that's for sure and this should go with the other file oh this is with Muhammad yes okay and this is there any correspondence there we need to read well while I'm while I'm pulling Peter's file you can go over we got two Forest cutting plans uh this week um one of them um is all under nhp and they have it hasn't been signed off yet by the Forester okay this one has this one's complete so those are two um those are two guys ever really look at these couple some what's he what's he cutting yeah where try where's land pressure Road 34 pressure Road 5.5 Acres thresher petol from Brimfield iser land owner is Collins from meal thresher runs from scantic directly across from Rod dundi over to oh boy there to um South mson okay I should know that that's where uh filter strips hike no what's her name the the dumpster lady the pink dumpsters no Wetland Crossings affordable waste yeah that's where she lives she lives on thresher my grandson and her son are friend 20 20 board feet two board feet of must be can't be board feet I don't think this is and then 10 of cordwood and pul 10 oh that's way down here so this property is right at the corner of scantic that's scantic right there okay crocod dundi right there thresher okay that's it right in here so what do they want to do clear it cut some trees yeah doesn't look like a whole lot it's a forest cutting plan they have different rules yeah but still if it's within 25 of a wetland yeah I don't know I think they get around that too somehow 36 inch this cut will harvest dead trees Hazard trees and the remaining M mature overstory trees Advanced regeneration scattered Oaks will be retained the existing so El seated bank and Seed from the nearby trees will be the source of future regeneration the landowner would like to property to be safe to walk through while keeping for it so the real issue here is not Wetlands it's what's that well it looks like there's a brook here yeah but they're not cutting that NH totally in it yeah it's within that it's natural heritage yeah okay they have their own set of rules that yeah and they're in it yeah completely in it yeah they have to file with them like um uh Nick turnberg did remember on wil Bram Road and he he couldn't um cut this is the 200 between May and nov something like that am okay so uh whose duty is it to notify HSP them they have to do it yeah they have to notify I get permission a letter it's habitat of rare species animals plants whatever that's us well it's the state yes but it's national natural heritage they oversee it comes in and okay yes box they have to approve it first so this whole section is what's the purple inner Riverfront area yeah that's all of that's in there because there's a brook here in this diagram yeah it's a little Brook so this one's this one's well within the the brook 200 also yeah see the BR 100 yes oh so no cut okay this one's not well other than natural heritage yeah so I think isn't there um around a brook area or in that they're only allowed to co cut so much of the over story do you guys know the numbers on that uh do we have an address for this property she she's asking the address for the shty what was the number um um thresher 34 thresher it's almost at the corner of um scantic Road and 34 thresher carollyn y okay so there's some rule about the overstory the percentage of overstory within 25 ft of a river they can't cut more than 50 or 25% of the over story oh I always let that up to read anything about yeah yeah um right I mean if it's dead stuff that's okay yeah well not really because dead stuff is very important to a lot of wildlife yeah snags are yeah I mean dead stuff if it's a nuisance or it's a danger to yeah you're not talking about Vista pruning are you no no Riverfront areas it's 25 or 50 feet you're supposed to um there's only a certain amount of the canopy you can cut like I he talked about that with the solar project oh it's a dead tree there's no canopy right what if it's dead there's no canopy no but it depends when the the tree died yeah if it's on its way out they could be taking it okay that it's not quite dead none of us remember that this hasn't been signed off by the Forester yet so we're just talking about it right yeah we don't have to decide anything no that is something we probably need to look up yeah yeah how much of that I wonder if we sent the email to Mark tell us what is let's see this other one is at town hampen and mson it's on Bennett Road Bennett yeah okay 75 acres to the line on the mson line on benett okay yeah person shre Kevin now see that one the state Forester did see and he made a comment about nhp conditions apply cep determination letter install water be at end of harvest and if you go through that paperwork you'll see the letter from nhp okay so that's got to be way up here I worked with that Forester since I had a massive Jacob sh I went I met him at a couple forestry conferences hiking trails flagged with red white flagging tape the hiking trail should be avoided when possible when necessary the hiking trail should be crossed at a 90 degree angle the stone wall along Bennett Road where the entrance to the landing is Loc will have to be restored if altered for excess per Town bylaw the log Landing will need to be restored at the completion of harvesting Timber mats must be used to stabilize Wetland and stream embankments okay so the Forester made all these notes yes I don't know if this this is like with the original cutting plan I think I don't think yeah but natural heritage is their letters in there yeah haven't got that far just reading the other stuff all right the ni is definitely right all right I should read this whole thing all right dear Jacob the natural heritage and endangered species program of Massachusetts division of fisheries and wildlife has completed its review of the B above reference Forest cutting plan pursuant to the special approval procedures of the forest cutting practices regulations based on these details of the map and the information the nip Database The Division has determined there is potential for activities proposed in the plant to result in a tap of eastern box turtle listed as special concern which is p protective pursuant Massachusetts and danger species East and fox turtle is primarily a terrestrial species and hardwood and Pine Forest let's see what else I'm not going to read all that all individuals over winter Bel The Soil Service usually during March and December and March to to avoid a prohibited take of stateless species they have these special conditions off-road operation motor Riz vehicles and plan management activity shall occur only during the time period beginning November 1st and end ending March 31st of any year and preferably when the ground is frozen intentional soil scarification shall not be conducted with the use of motorized tools equipment unless otherwise approved by the division wunning to the greatest extent practical equipment should remain un established skid rolls and trails as to minimize amount of ground impact by equipment tracks or tires harvesting outside the priority habitat may occur without restrictions however the boundary of the priority habitat should be clearly identified by flagging or marking prior to cutting if within the Priory habitat restrictions are adhere to for the portion of the property outside I already have it then then Mo no marking in the boundary line shall be fire okay all right the Easter box we need to do anything with this no stu okay guess they're aware of it I don't know I'm never sure like I've been to a bunch of classes but I don't remember what we're supposed to do with Forest cutting plants there are some stuff that we actually are supposed to do with them yeah I think some of it has to do with Crossing wetlands and yeah stuff like that we did that which they are crossing a wetland and they're using equipment so I don't know do we have permission to go on property when that's occurring and check the stre forest cutting I'm trying to think back you know the you know where schwitzer and that other guy were fighting um on howlet Hill Road remember yeah remember schwitzer was you he was accusing schwitzer of you know logging all of that and yet the schwitzer had to put down certain um Crossings to get over the brook and stuff yeah you know he had to put down some kind of log Crossings rather than just running the equipment through yeah that's what these guys are using these special Maps yeah yeah it's some I think it's something similar to what the like the power company does when they go out on the power lines yeah with those mats mats yeah so anyway I just want people aware of that sometimes I think we we probably need to check them in the spring and make sure that things are okay after they took everything away and make sure Banks aren't eroding right into those Brooks one on wilam road that near your house that's that logging thing in there turnberg across the street from [Music] y I found um the orders of conditions okay um so what I was thinking and this is just a thought that he wanted the um orders uh um Extended for another three years well in the orders itself I mean there's a lot of stuff in here about silt fence and double hay bales Waddles and then another one um with the town of hamton wetland bylaw and regs 10.02 12a and that's with our um marking permanent markers and then um I included in that we have uh two pages of you know what what the markers should look like and all of that so that's all that's already all included in the um okay orders of conditions that were in um 1922 so 2022 yeah I'm sorry so um I'm thinking if we if we give him an extension do we need to include those all we're doing we're extending these orders okay right and these orders he has to follow correct right and he has to put down permanent markers before he does anything right y so because it's not done yet doesn't in my mind if it's not done yet although um but it says that he needs to follow these before he starts building before he starts anything yeah yeah so that's my thought that yeah so we need to communicate with the building guy too oh I communicate with him almost every day that he shouldn't get a building permit until those things are in right yes right right yeah well right now hobie's trying to get them out of there yeah try to get them off the property but um yeah so I I think I think but I mean everybody has an opinion that it would be it would be okay to we're just extending these yes yeah all right I'm just trying to make sure we dot her eyes and cross her teeth sure yeah you know no that's good but what do you think I think you know we just got to make sure like the rest of the Town knows like like the building guy Drive Hadad for his trailer but yeah um I don't see any down time downsides of extending these no no I mean we were extending them so that they would be extended till 2028 yeah and he will never get a o unless he does his stuff yeah he can't do anything until he does what's in the orders yeah as far as you know putting in the permanent markers and then putting in the um silt fence with a hay bills around the construction area yeah right and everything um I mean there's a lot in those orders yeah and we still have to approve the whether or not it's within the the boundaries well his his building plan will have to approve okay yeah that's what I meant as long as it stays out of the Wetland areas is there there's no that's markers and and these were registered at the registry of deeds the original owner registered them so they're what huh registered the or the okay yeah yeah okay so they're a legal document okay all right so we all have to sign these there's two places right I made two copies all right and then that's his letter on the top I boy your pen do I have to make a motion yeah you might as well I make a motion that we sign the extension for Antonio bile 534 no two scantic Road two scantic Road bot number two scantic BR yes second all in favor got make another one coming no there's two here oh there's two here yep I no I signed you you did Y no you didn't that was the other guy send it back we'll get it the second time around swinging around here who seconded that motion I did Scott you Scott Scott okay we need to post the next meeting probably next what's yeah we're done we're done yeah so when's our next meeting we used to always say are we're going to post the next meeting for what's our date in December it's the third it's the third Wednesday I think it's pretty darn close to Christmas 18th week before the 18th yeah yeah okay so our next meeting is going to be 18th at six o'clock yep be there a b square person just leave is there anybody on there besides us did uh did B ever get back to you about the the pickle ball court at the wreck um no he hasn't done anything more about it okay but that's the plan yeah I did go look at it with him yeah yeah where would that go I don't know yet he's got two potential sites and it's just one Court um one is pull in and then you got the water you know when you drive in and then the road turns to the right to go to one ball field yeah there's a building over there right as you make that turn right there it looked like old shuffle board board quartz right there is one of them the other site is is on the other side of the play area the playscape thing there's a basketball court yeah right there instead of the basketball that one is like right next to the brook yes right next to it the brook is here and it's right there leave what's there and move it where the old Shuffle cord is but the other one where the buffle board court is like that the brook is over here oh it's still close yeah you don't know those all went in before oh yeah I know River protection sorry Disturbed if but anybody else have anything to add I don't know if we want to do you guys do a get together this time of year we can discuss it after the meeting right this is it are we are we ready to close the meeting and make a motion to close the meeting all in favor who second in time you still recording yeah