Okay. Thank you, Joe. >> Good evening. Welcome to our May 13th meeting of the planning board. This evening joining us from the board of Pat Coin, David David and Christina, our
administrator not be here this evening. Joanne and Mattie Pixley, the another of chair, board chair, is not here either, but I'm confident we'll get through the agenda. Um, and go to order. Thank you, Joe, for
helping us out once again. And, uh, I was met with a couple who had a a short request just to talk a little bit about a home occupation. They don't have everything all the paperwork done but I told them they could start we'll start with them Samantha and your
>> and Chad and if you'll just give us an overview and they understand that they'll have to come back when Joanne has all the appropriate paperwork. So Samantha if you just want to give us or Chad a little introduction >> I think we prepared a package. So first we like to apologize
there was some miscommunication. >> I might have everything together. >> So we we really apologize. We did prepare this um so ultimately this is about the space at 13 Allen Street um
right down the street that was previously a retail location um the the old Kinder Hook. Um we have been working with Craig uh the owner there on a lease. Um and this is just to um open
up a business um called velour uh laser boutique would be a laser boutique and a skin treatment clinic um overseen by a physician. There would only be uh typically two on-site staff members, the office
manager and the RN providing the treatments. It would only be a two treatment room laser boutique. Very minimal overlap as it relates to uh client and patient flow. Probably a max
you know three to five parking spaces as it relates to the uh employees. Craig confirmed that there is a employee parking. >> What's the person name you just said? >> Uh what's the last name? >> Oh my god. Remember >> is it Shacker?
>> No. Okay. >> Isn't it Craig moral? CJ Craig moral. >> Just making sure that's not someone I'm related to. >> Um that there is an employee uh parking spot uh space in the back for hours of operation. Um it be Tuesday through
Friday. There's a couple business hours and like a half day of Saturday. So minimal kind of in and out. And I I'll pause there. Okay. So, we talked So, it's in the uh what I know is the Kinder Hook location. Yes. Okay.
>> And what's your timing your when you would like to get up and started? >> Our our goal is to be open by August. >> Okay. >> We have the lease the red lines all done between Craig and ourselves. Um we have the contractors ready to ready to go.
Before we sign the lease and move forward, we just want to have make sure we check the box off here. uh with with the Tangle Planning Committee. Within the packet, you will see um have our floor plans that we architect. Um and then the last page is just kind of an
inspiration page. I think it's not going to be exactly uh the layout there, but a little bit of like an inspiration of kind of the vibe and u you know, the finishing look that we would be looking for in the space. >> Okay, great. That's a very professional job indeed. Thank you. Uh I don't know
guys do you have have any comments and as I said don't need to come back in but just in case you had >> um oh I guess I guess just a general question are one of you guys the physician who's >> so u my brother-in-law is a physician so
my Samantha can talk to that >> yeah so I've been in the industry for a little over 10 years now um I've gotten to work with a lot of different uh lasers and had a lot of different certifications and we have a 13-month old and while I was on retreat and kind
of like why don't you I don't want to go back to work under another doctor you know so we decided to branch out and do our own thing and really excited to get going you know I have the skill set and experience so >> are so are you the RN that's listed then for the
um kind of the office manager uh scheduling kind of running behind the scenes um and we will be hiring an RN Okay. >> Okay. Anything else at this point? I mean, that sounds like you've done all the prep work and I would think next
time you come in there'll be some information for Joanne. >> Okay. >> That I think that that should be fairly short to clear those any comments at that point. >> Okay. >> So, I'm not sure we can get you on schedule for the next meeting in a couple weeks, but we'll see if we can
fit it in. Is there just as we prepare Patrick is there anything that um you know would would maybe stop us from I'm sure from Craig's perspective he's looking for us to execute our lead kind of waiting so it >> everything kind of seem okay from your
perspective the next step would be just more so formalizing the next step >> I would say so okay >> y out and and waiting on our contractors So we just want to make sure that we you know have our ducks before we start.
>> Yeah. I mean with again I mean Joanne will give you more of the practical side of this. Sure. So when you reach out to her but >> you know I think that that would be the next step. >> Thank you. Any other questions from >> Oh not at this time. >> Awesome. Thank you so much.
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. It's >> okay. So, next up we have another home occupation, 24wood Drive, Cecil Richard. Okay, come on up, Cecil. >> Hi.
>> Hi. >> Basically, I'm just looking um craft fairs out. It's kind more of a home office where I'm doing my crafts in my entire room
and then going out to like different selling my goods there. um on a time one or two people just so mine is basically
Jul it's more of like a home office than her business >> 24 Firmwood Drive and do you have neighbors that are by at 24 Fwood Drive >> on each side?
>> But it doesn't sound like this isn't like a retail business at all. You don't have customers coming in. I said I'm just doing my crafts in my >> Okay. Um, are you planning on putting up like a sign or anything out of the house
or No, just Okay. >> Makes sense. I I don't have any follow-up questions. Do you guys have any follow-up questions? >> I do not. >> Okay. So, I guess we need a motion. >> Yeah. I I move to approve uh the proposed home occupation. >> Second. All those in favor? I I
>> And so I think you're you've already worked with Joanne, so you're in good shape there. >> Yeah. So I think >> I'm not Yeah, you want you'll want to talk to the town clerk because the next step will be getting your >> business certificate essentially >> with Diva. >> Diva.
>> Yeah. And um I normally I would tell you you could go tomorrow or that's what Joanne would normally say. But but yeah, she would be here to say that. Um, >> she's probably got to do something on her end, but um, >> yeah, just touch Jo. I I don't expect
it's going to be more than a few days. >> Yeah. So, remember offices are closed Friday. So, probably I would say Monday. >> Okay. >> Would be the safe bet. >> Yeah. Unless she's here tomorrow. She could be here. >> She could be here. >> Uh, I don't think she'll be here tomorrow. Okay. >> I would try Monday.
>> Great. >> Just a just a quick point. Monday is the election, so EVO will probably be pretty tied up on Monday. >> Yeah, good point. Yeah. Thank you, John. >> Okay, thank you. >> All right.
Next up is solar bylaw amendments discussion with Gina. So I have talked to Joanne about this. >> Okay. >> So I have made some notes.
>> Let me do that first. >> Well, I'll just tell you because I got my walking around knowledge a little bit. So my >> let's go. >> Yeah. So I said generally I said what I said Joanne what's the at 10,000 feet what's the goal here? She said well Gina's effort is to align the solar with
the battery energy storage bywa. Right. And at that point we would with when you get to that point of alignment there would be a public meeting >> and then there would be at the fall town meeting it would be approved in front of the >> be voted >> to be voted on for approval and she
mentioned that you would provide probably like a cover sheet of the changes right? >> Yes. >> That would be very helpful. >> My thought on that I waited to do it because I had updated the purpose to mostly align with the battery and I wanted to use that language for the cover letter. just wanted to make sure everybody was cool with that before I
wrote it. >> But yes, that was my plan because like we did with the battery by my thought was read the cover letter at the meeting kind of explain why we're doing it rather than go through single page. >> Okay, >> so that was my thought on that. But yes,
I am in the midst of that show you some of the which I did in this last >> Well, I just want to say of course I just jumped past the ADU discussion but we'll come back to that. >> Okay, that's fine. So, a couple things. We had talked about the um the green mesh fence and how we wanted to talk
about getting that having a provision there about having it get replaced. That was on page 13. >> And I think you were you were the one to talk about the three mesh fenced
>> maintained. Maintain >> not replaced because it might not be need to be replaced. Might just need to be maintained. So I started looking at some other bylaws state. We're apparently like the only town that requires this green mesh screening. So I just wrote I had I written it and I had
done the same thing with any damage to disease trees. I basically said any any damage will have to be promptly replaced or promptly repaired. I wasn't sure if we should put a like a timeline on that. 1430
were promptly replaced, >> promptly resolved sounded better. >> I had no guidelines. >> Well, I'm trying to think about and not to cut you off, Gina. Yeah, I'm trying to think about that from like an enforcement standpoint >> because I'm because there are already builtin time frames and like because
this would effectively like >> let's say they're in violation, right? >> Zoning enforcement, building inspector would be the one who is notified of it. they would have to notify of the, you know, the violation, right? And I'm pretty sure there's already baked in um language in the Massachusetts statutes
with respect to like the time frame for enforcement actions. So, I don't even know if we need to like to specifically put it in the bylaw because I think it's already in the state law. >> Okay. I had just put and I updated the I didn't change any of the screening requirements. I just said green mesh
screen shed to any and all damage including an emitted shall promptly be replaced. I did the same thing with update the screening basically to say it to be the greatest all seasons and whoever does the
landscaping plan has to be a um registered landscape architect. I saw that in hard work it got approved. I said, "Let's put it in. Have someone who knows what they're doing so the trees don't die or the screening doesn't die." >> Now, is that is that I apologize because
I'm just looking at this for the first time. >> Page 13. >> 13. Thank you. >> Draft. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Yeah, no problem. We can send it out. I hopefully Joanna sent it to you guy. Okay, good. No, no, that's fine. I just
thought it make life a little easier. I know that was something we talked about. I'm like, I'm going to look into it. But I didn't change the height of the trees or how many had to be I mean I mean I didn't change any fat. >> Yeah. My my I mean I I I like the idea
behind this section B. My only thought here is just that >> on B. >> Yeah. On the on 2B on the green mesh screen language. Um just the any and all damage because I'm just imagining a scenario where there's like a small rip and then they're technically in dilation and they have you know I don't I just
don't know what's involved in replacing or fixing. I have no idea. >> So I felt like I went down um to look at the one on Mill. were going to Connecticut and there was a massive rip on the side. Yeah. >> And I'm thinking that looks terrible. Right. But
>> right like where's the you know >> where's the line? So I kind of wrote what I thought made the most sense. >> I don't know how >> Yeah. I don't know. Put like a >> I don't know I don't know what I don't know what to tell you. >> Six inch. I have no idea. Just throwing it out there.
>> That was one thing I know that was talked about. So I said, "All right, I'm gonna try that and see what break anything." And I know Pat, we had talked about the fencing with the signs >> and I didn't go to the landfill. I used Google Street View. I know exactly what
you're talking about with the electrical hazard and the um no trespassing around the front but not going up. >> Yeah. >> So I called the fencing company that did the work on that project. I was curious if there was some type of electrical code or if there was something that right follow >> and the gentleman I spoke to was
panicstricken that I worked for the planning board. When I told him I didn't I was just telling him what we were trying to do. He was he was fine but he said basically it really depends on what they're contracted to do. So sometimes he'll put the no trespassing or um electrical hazard signs up. Sometimes
the developer will do it because there's really no rhyme or reason to it. and his big thing was if there's a battery inside the array that in as well >> because the hazards with that, but I didn't really get a straight answer. No. >> Then I started looking at other towns
and their big thing was they didn't want any advertising on their >> we don't want you advertising your company or what you're doing. So, I don't know if it's best to say, you know, maybe have um no trespassing, electrical hazard
signs, a certain number of feet, let's say 50, because that way around the perimeter, but I couldn't find any example of that. >> And when I looked when I tried to Google it, you look up electrical hazard signs, you tend to get information about
electric fences. So that's not really what we >> I'm not against adding that in like saying with it because if you're and the no trespassing Massachusetts are kind of weird. They could have basically said how I interpreted it was if you have a no trespassing sign anywhere on your
fence you're legally. But I feel like if you're walking in the woods something happens. I would like to see the signs. I think generally speaking, I think with like I might be about this, but I think when it comes to like like forest land, like you have to post them
>> too, >> like you have to post them at regular intervals. There's like constructive notice for anybody who's going onto your land because there's, you know, >> try to put that in >> say that for no trespassing electrical hazard. >> Well, I don't love it. I I see what you
were saying. I'm like, it's very confusing. And I tried to count how much space was in between based on beside the um the panels and I couldn't figure it out. >> So down at the down at the transfer station, it's very clear, right? >> Yeah, it's clear in the front, but not
on the >> looks not easy to get in there either. And my thought is if it's if it's on either side, then if someone is walking, they'd be able to see what it is around all the way around. >> I'd say on the corners >> on the corners
>> on the corners and the front entrance >> would be my suggestion if if that's something that we really want. But I don't really foresee >> I mean >> I mean if there's a fence, they're not going to they're going to see through the green mess. What's there?
>> Yeah. I think the important one would be at the gate. If somebody climbs over the fence, that's the at their own liability. >> Yeah. >> In my opinion, >> like walking across the runway. >> True. >> I mean, we could you always can have it as a condition of a special permit if it
was, you know, something that was a big lot >> concerned about it. I just couldn't find any examples of a town that >> I would say at the main gate that >> Yeah, it says the main gate right now. I'm pretty sure. >> All right. I'd leave it. >> Okay. you okay with that? >> Yeah, I'm fine with that.
>> Okay, so there was that. Um, let's see. I did update the purpose to closely match battery. I did throw in having to physically mark out the limit of work for a site that a
land surveyor would do. So any consumption going on the site will know where they are. It's so easy to get mixed up in the woods. That was approved. I did also throw in an environmental monitor that would be required during construction andor significant weather
events at the applicant's expense just to make sure everything is where it should be. The storm water's working. All of that was approved. Oh, and David, you also talked about how you wanted the liability insurance included, the proof of continued liability insurance. It is
in the annual report requirements, but I did put it in the change of ownership as well. >> Yes, because of the change of ownership. I added that in. So that was done. Let's see. I updated the financial shy just to
include has to include the project dismantling and site restoration. It has to be a comprehensive shity that can be subject to peer review. Let's see what else we added. Well, I also
updated that we would you guys would have the right to hire a third party consultant for annual inspections to make sure things are done properly. It doesn't mean you have to do it, but it gives the planning board a little bit more I don't want to say control, but it gives you a little bit more oversight.
The other big thing was let's see 22. >> I said the other thing would you change was page 22. >> Yeah, it was page 22 about the limit the um environmental monitor and then
Mson did get back with their bylaw finally. Let me tell you what got there. The only the minimum lot requirement that did not get through, but they actually got through 200 foot setbacks on all sides, which I thought was pretty interesting. And I don't know if that's something the planning board would like
to see because we do allow solar in most of the town. I just put it in. I don't maybe would get it because Mson just got it, but it's a thought I'm throwing out there right now. We're at a
curious what the think about that. >> I don't I don't personally feel strongly about increasing that setback about the rest of the board. >> Worst case scenario, it stays at 100. Don't get it. But if we do, it gives the neighbors a little bit more buffer.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I also don't I mean and granted we're specifically talking about large scale solar so it's not as you know the requirements wouldn't be on as ownorous on homeowners who are trying to do their own residential system >> right this we don't we're not >> right so this is
>> my my thought is um you know I don't have a a don't have a good enough idea about the locations in town which would allow for large scale solar at this point >> there's a lot of land >> and that's I part and that's part of it is just making sure that we're also not
somehow you know you know constructively prohibiting >> you know solar projects because we make an untenable setback arrangement um I don't know I think it's something to discuss >> I'm fine at 100
>> I'm fine at 100 >> same >> yeah Okay. And the only other thing that did I did add was um this was this was a
step back that I read about that they were requiring a 100 foot perimeter around the battery from the solar panels I think for fire protection. And I felt like that was a good one because we don't have anything in our bylaw right now that would give you a standard between the battery and the panels.
There was a fire that got approved in Pelum back in 20. I felt like that was really good and I really liked that. So I did put that in. >> Surprised there isn't a regulation around >> there. You know, there really isn't. We have a regulation for battery now for
any vegetation, >> but nothing about the panels. My concern is if anybody tries to squeeze it in, then there's fire. It's like boom boom boom boom. >> Everything would get really hot. >> So, it's kind of weird that there wouldn't
>> I couldn't find one. I did look >> and um only other thing I saw was Blamford's updating their bio as we speak. they have not gone to town meeting with it yet. Again, they were requiring with their annual report that if you didn't do it, there's a good chance you're going to lose your permit.
And I kind of like that because it kind of forces the applicant to provide the annual report. And right now, we have at least two arrays that have not done it. >> I talked to Joanne last week about it. The one the landfill and Burggo, you
have to submit that 45 days after first calendar year. And they have not done it. So, I'm wondering if we put that like to do it. I want to >> Yeah, I'm fine with that.
>> You're okay with that? Okay, I can throw that in. >> That's something we would do as a condition. We might as well try and >> get it in. >> But just put it in. >> Okay. because that's something I would expect to see as part of the
>> it kind of lights a fire under them to say we don't do it. It's a good chance they're going to revoke the permit on us. >> And we did require it with the change of ownership already. In fact, did get approved. I think that was about it. I feel relatively good about what we've done so
far as any thoughts that they'd like to see included. Okay. >> I don't have anything. >> I don't have anything specific. I don't. Yeah. >> So, our next steps here now, Gina, you have a few more changes to make. Yeah. >> A couple more
>> at least one. It's the annual report. >> And then we're going out to we're going to have a up for public meeting. And so the for for >> the planning board here between here and there >> we would see a version or your cover
sheet with the changes >> and what would we we would as a board we would endorse those changes and is >> we would vote to endorse it or not essentially. >> Yeah. Essentially. So at that point when you come back with your final >> Yeah.
>> final final then we would vote to endorse it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm hoping you will. >> Yes. After all this, >> we might vote to endorse it. Pat. >> Yeah, >> please. Please. That works. So, >> have to have a public hearing before we can >> Yeah. >> Okay, that sounds good. So, I guess you
guys have a meeting in two weeks, probably June, but you have your summer schedule. We have to get the public hearing in the paper, I think, twice. >> Yeah, two consecutive weeks. >> Two consecutive weeks. So, are we thinking, what do we thinking timeline here? I think we're gonna have
to >> be till June July >> unless I come back in two weeks, but I know you have that. >> Yeah, that would not work. >> No, I know. >> Yeah. >> Now, when you have your summer schedule,
you meet every other >> once July, August, and sometimes September. So, if we do June, plan to have that this be the final draft in June. July and August, we could have a public hearing >> and then you'd be good for October.
>> June. >> That makes sense. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah, I think that makes sense. >> Okay. >> From a timing standpoint, >> I don't believe the cover letter that was done with the battery was ever since illegal. >> I think I think the planning board just endorsed it and then it was read at the meeting and that was it.
>> Gotcha. >> So, >> so let's go over those dates again. You were thinking >> so there's so we haven't figured out which dates in the summer we're meeting yet. So I guess we need to kind of do that first. There's June 10th and 24th, July 8th and 22nd, August 12th and 26
>> and the activities you we just spoke about would be some of your >> just fixing the an getting the annual report and the cover letter >> for the for sometime in June. Yeah, for June >> and then we would look at that and then
>> 24th. >> I guess what I could do is I can talk to Joanne probably create another document with everything on it and then but I can call her and talk to her about it. >> I'm sorry. Can we just one more time those activities and those dates? >> So we need to figure out if
>> when we we're going to meet >> coming back June 10th or 20 >> coming back with your changes. Yep. Right. So, we need to figure out which one of those dates. And I >> probably be easier with Joanne if we knew >> there's a good chance that one of those dates has somebody scheduled to come on
it. So, I don't want to >> of course. Yep. >> So, it's it's that meeting with us, >> right? >> Talk about kind of the final final. >> Yep. >> Then it's the public meeting. >> Yep. >> Which would be September, right? for
August. I >> think September. >> Does it have to be a certain number of weeks before the town meeting? >> I have to check on that. I'm not sure actually. Don't believe so. >> I know it has to be in the paper twice.
>> The town meeting is >> October. >> I'm not sure when it is. >> You know when the town meeting is, John, >> is he there or is this picture? >> Who's this? >> He's there. Typically the last Monday of
October. >> Last Monday. >> Last Monday. Okay. >> Um >> that would be October 26 would be the next town meeting. >> 26 26 and then legal also has to have a chance to look at it because I'm not
sure what's going on with that. Yes, that's a big open item. >> Yeah. >> So, I would say see back in June >> the 10th >> could be well we don't know without Joanne if somebody has already scheduled the
10th or the 24th then we would just pick one of those days as >> month's meeting. Um, >> can you plan out your public hearing earlier and even if we have one more meeting, we know what we're gonna I guess I guess legal has to look at it for you.
>> So legal if legal looks at it in July and then in August we have a >> public meeting >> public hearing. Either way, you're going to be able to fit between these dates and then and then that's really it, right? Plenty of time
>> August meeting. Okay. Yeah. So, we'll figure out if it's going to be June 10th or the 24th. >> Yeah. Talk to Joan. >> I'll write to Joanne. >> Yeah. Because she'll be able to tell us whether or not >> because I talked to her >> last week and I was like, what do you
think the best way to format this week by copy it out and then redline what we're changing? So, that way it's easy to read at the meeting for people for the handout because there's so many changes rather than say insert at 7.16.4 for B2.
>> Yeah, I would say that' be easier. >> Sean re >> I just want to make one point. You probably heard that uh DHY Wallace is stepping back from the town. Uh they are losing a person the town meeting that
was Rose's last town meeting for DHY Wallace. So we are putting an RFQ out for new legal counsel for the town. So it may impact review time. we're we're bringing somebody on new hopefully in July that may impact review time at that
point. Just >> that's a good thought. I think even if legal did review between July and August and the public hearing was between August September. Um there's still plenty of time >> still do a public hearing in September.
We still have one meeting in October before. >> And when it goes to legal, obviously if there's questions, I have sources for everything. I probably should have put that in my reasonings, but I do have notes on everything. >> But you might have to have another meeting after it comes back from legal. >> Yeah, that's true.
>> So, might even be October public, >> the beginning of October. >> You know what I mean? I would >> surprised. >> Well, I would be very >> I would say probably October 14th be the public hearing. >> Yes.
>> I'd be surprised >> if it's that soon. >> If it's that far. >> Well, no, because if the new legal council's coming in and then we're going to get it back for edits and questions, which we would have to send it back to legal one more time.
>> It could be. It could be October. >> Well, is it better? Is it better than to time and then just be done with it? >> Well, they're done. So, we don't have legal right now. >> Oh. Oh, they just totally wrapped up now. So, we're >> Yeah, we're not get somebody till July.
>> Okay. I misunderstood what he said. I think Well, we pretty much just have to roll with it. There's not much around in this timeline. I mean the one possibility is Gina's done a great job on what you have so far and we have Dhy
for another month and a half. So you have something you feel is 90% there. >> Let's them let them knock it off >> all the easy stuff off it right now and then the new people won't have much to do when they come on. >> I mean what she's developed so far is
like pretty rock solid. >> Yeah. >> It's really one change and the cover letter I don't believe is reviewed by legal. I could get it done about it. >> Do we have to vote on it before we send it to legal or could we just send it to legal first? >> You can just send it there now. Yep. >> So, why don't you finish it up this
week, >> get it in the Joanne, and get it a little we'll we'll have a message to her that just send it right over to legal for review. >> Okay. The only change I'm making is adding to the annual report that if you don't do it >> right, you're gonna probably lose your permit. That's all I'm adding. Everything else is unchanged. If
everybody's okay with that, I have no problem doing that. >> Yep. Okay. >> And I can still come back in June. We can discuss the cover letter to be read. >> Sounds good. >> That's cool. >> That's fine. >> Okay. So, I'll do that. >> Of course, you can always add more, but I have to walk away. It's a living,
breathing thing. >> You're gonna walk. >> I gota gota see it turn out. Gota got to get it through. >> The amount of paper. >> All right. Yeah, that sound that sounds like a good idea to get that. Yeah, that
makes the most sense. >> Okay, >> so I'll make that change. Is she going in tomorrow? >> No, no, not until next week. >> Not until next week. So, I'll call her on Monday or Tuesday after the election. >> Yeah, it's probably it's going to be one change. Then we and
I can talk about the formatting. >> Okay, sounds good. Appreciate all of your support in this. >> You're welcome. Thank you. We did a lot of work on that. Thank you. What's the worst that can happen? They say no. We end up what we already have.
>> I'm not think. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> To another problem. >> Is Joe person not coming? Um,
>> there's Joe right here. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. Let me uh give you my notes on that on the ADU. >> Don't use the bathroom. >> All right.
>> Which one of these am I supposed to do? >> All right. I'll give you that. >> Okay. >> So, I spoke with Joanne. Joanne said, you know, she had met with the town council and the attorney general edits only edits will be confirmed
with the attorney general's office once those those being complete. And any other amendments that the planning board might propose during here, potential amendments, they would be
prepared for the fall town meeting if the planning board decides to move forward with those additional edits. and those clarifications, I'll call them, would also need to go back to the attorney general's office after they get
through the fall town meeting. Um, and the other we had a discussion about anything in there related to site plans. We thought we'd talked to um Wendell
and you know there was some hesitation on whether or not we should have them in there but the feedback from the from attorney general was that you cannot remove site plan information from the document. So you know that's not a necessarily a problem technically. It's
just something we thought maybe was duplicative between us and and so where are we at? So we've got these AG this document, the AG edits only to be confirmed by the attorney general
and published. That's that document. And then there's these potential other amendments that I just mentioned for the fall town meeting. And so Joanne, without Joanne being here, we can take a look at these. It doesn't
not too much to them which from what I can see. I haven't looked. Um so they don't seem too substantive to me what I can see. >> I'm not really sure.
>> Yeah, >> definitely. >> So these these potential ZBL amendments to fall town meeting. This was written by town council. Yes. >> Written by town council. >> Black marker one.
>> No, I don't believe that's the case. That was like sort of discussions that we would have had. >> This the the blue ink one I think is what it would look like if we just had the edits from the AG's initial letter. >> Yes. This this is
>> this is what we talking about the last discuss the ADU. Right. But whose black handwriting is this? That's a good question. >> That's why I'm saying I think it's town council. Is it not? I not I don't you know that >> I feel like you're right about that but I don't
>> looks like her. >> I don't know that. >> Not to mention who else would be making it. It's >> and the way it's written and she says if Ford wants to keep the restored line that's sort of sounds like other than Joanne. >> I'm Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's Rose's handwriting.
>> It just looks very familiar. I don't recall us talking about keeping that line. >> Yeah, >> I just don't remember us having a discussion about >> don't know which one of these supersedes. >> So, this is this is AG's comments. This
is apparently revisions based off of our recent discussions on >> and and that's what I'm saying is it's like I'm looking at that second I don't remember us talking about restoring parking requirements for ADUs. I thought we were all pretty much okay with that.
>> And the bargain may be held on a driveway or brush. >> So, we're saying these are the AG edits. Why would the AG tell us to keep this line and then town council is telling us to remove it? Because it's duplicative. >> Yeah, >> it would require an amendment to keep
it. Maybe because I mean I >> Why would it require an amendment to keep it if this hasn't >> I'm confused. >> Now I'm looking at one of this like a D.
>> Very >> very unclear. >> Very very unclear. >> Yeah. I don't want to keep the parking. I don't >> That's the thing. We never I just I'm surprised because we literally never discussed it.
There were other things we discussed, you know, such as the >> So, and then she's saying we should keep here what is in parentheses >> as what as may be applicable to single family dwellings. >> What's in parenthesis? with front may be
applicable to >> except the height not covered requirements as may be applicable to single family drawings except that attach be located behind the wall >> and then I thought we said that we were
taking that part out >> that's that's what I'm saying is like we had a long discussion about location of those ADS in relation to the home right in relation to the primary structure and I don't see any discuss people who have like houses way back and 30 acres in front of it. That doesn't make sense to
have this. >> John Matthews was here that >> right here. I'm just saying this is like this is not indicative of our discussion. >> Yeah, I don't really want >> so I don't until Joanne gets back because >> Yeah, we'll have to I just I see issues with what's apparently being proposed as
our request changes because those don't look like our changes or discussion. Yeah, we just don't don't know enough >> about Yeah, the background. >> I think we have to put this on like I >> Yeah, >> the back. >> Okay, read that and I think Joanne would
expect that or wouldn't be surprised. >> Yeah, it's just not consistent with our with our board's discussion. >> No, we had way different discussions what's on those papers, right? >> Okay. No, so this will be added to another agenda. Um, and I will talk to
Joanne about that. >> I know. Do we need Do we need to make a motion for that? I don't even know if we do. >> No. Right. It's not an active. It's just a discussion. >> Right. Right. What's the What's sort of the the the date out there of the fall town meeting?
Right. >> We're working towards meeting. >> Right. >> Okay. I mean, I don't think like I don't think we were far off from that. The attorney generals like we didn't we weren't fighting much of the changes in we had discussion about yeah some of the
other provisions >> the summer schedule we're discussing with Joanne too, right? Not to mention, I think we should probably also wait till we have the >> the >> whoever the next member is and then a a solid, you know, permanent chair and then >> um
>> but I think Christina, you recall that correctly, right? We would meet like once. >> Yeah, once. June, July, August, and I think September. >> Okay. >> One time. >> One time. >> We meet once. Yeah. Um I just don't know. I mean there could be like if June
Joanne is out or you know the whoever the new member will be might have a vac you know we might pick one over the other date. >> Okay. Okay. So, that's a followup course >> because the elections what? >> Monday. >> Monday. >> So, we could just talk about that at
>> Okay. >> the summer schedule. Um number four. >> And Joe, I think you're up next to talk about open space and recreation plan activities. Um, so I'm doing the new open space
recreation plan and um for the committee right now and I think Joanne sent you like the information two weeks ago or something but um yeah, I'm looking right now just to get representative or two from each
department of interest for this and um personally I think that the two most important uh groups to to be represented represented in this committee are probably like conservation and planning. I have to deal with folks with that kind of stuff. So, um I've got two from
conservation and I'll be on the committee too. And so I'm just looking for one or two people to serve on the committee. It's it's going to be pretty low-key. We're planning on meeting um every like six weeks. You just kind of show up and um you know, help out, voice
your opinion during that time. Um I'll I'll be doing like you know the majority of kind of like the work so it's not going to be like too much on the committee's end but um if anyone's not familiar with it I can explain it. Um we
also you can see the PDF online if you want to take a look at it too but the last was done in 2017 so um it's about time we you know make a new one. this is how we get like all of like the grants for town to do things in terms of open
space remediation. So, it's a very very important piece of document for the town and um it kind of is a reflection of like what we have done in the past couple years, what needs to be improved um for the years to come and so it's a
lot of we address a lot of what I would consider like in the planning realm. So, I think it's important to have a representative in planning if if you're willing. >> Okay. And so, of course, Dan Blanchard's in very involved in this as well. Yeah. Okay.
And is it is it owned by Dan? Is it owned by you know for at the end of the day which part of the the town I'll say committee structures kind of I realize you're you're kind of owning at this level. Is that where it belongs is with
you? Okay. >> I'm moving at the end of the summer so I'm no good there. >> Moving. I am moving to Wyoming. Is this news to you? >> This is news to me. I did not know that. >> Yes, she's >> Yeah. >> Oh, man.
>> at uh uh August 9th, Sunday. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> So, you're off. You're you're not in the mix. Okay. >> I'm out of the mix and you're going to have to find a new Ridgeline Hillside and community preservation.
>> Okay. And your Valley Planning Commission. and open space and >> which is what's on the agenda. Open space all the other bridges. >> Yeah. >> So Dave and Dave, do you guys think you
can >> Yeah. Right. >> Every six weeks. >> Six weeks. What day do you meet on? >> I'm not sure yet. We um I'll let you know as soon as I know, but we're working with the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission, so we kind of have to go a
little bit off their schedule. And >> And how long are the meetings? >> It's probably going to be like an hour, an hour and a half max, I'm assuming. >> All right, I'll attempt it. I'll do my best. I have a lot going on. I will do my best.
>> Thank you, Dave. >> I'll do it. >> Got two kids. I can't commit to more >> probably always going to be an option if you can't come in person. So, >> all right. You got me and Dave. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.
>> Okay. >> All right. I also appreciate it. >> And he will remember that in August when I'm And they need a ridge line. You'd be good for a ridge line because you have a head for all this. Uh, that's scary.
>> All right. So, we're >> kind of sell that position, huh? >> Old I'll just mention because I brought this up with Joanne, the uh short-term rental bylaw and David had given us a a really Yeah, really bad old draft.
>> Old draft of one. So, and I mentioned this Joanne because it's, you know, sometimes these things get out there and they get stale and they're out there a long time. Um, you know, and I know John Matthews brought it up and I think even uh John Flynn brought this up at one point, but one of the things Joan and I
said, you know, it's technically not in our table of uses. >> So, it's really not an allowed use. I'll say it's not totally in the Yeah, you don't see it in there. So, it's a little So, it's not just it's not just sort of the >> you can't stop it if it's not in there. It's not the bylaw but
>> well there are certain section certain certain sections of the bylaw that say if it is not expressly written that it's permitted then it is not >> so so is that with that is >> so with that as background there's a little more to this than just drafting a
bylaw and Joanne I said Joanne of course timing wise when can we kind of as a team kind of get there she said probably like next spring it's kind of an item you would be able to put some resources to Oh, that makes sense. That's kind of the I'll say the update on that one is
old business, you know, but there was interest in the town on something on this, but it's not >> That's a valid point though that you know there's no there's news no use category and it's technically not allowed. >> Yeah. >> Well, there's no use category for what they were just in here talking about either.
>> I got to double check that because I think we've got to have something for medical offices. >> I thought it was Let me see. What? How are you keep this thing together? You need >> I had no idea
>> what is going to come popping out of here. All right. What's wrong here? Okay. Cuz his isn't the pink copy hospital or nursing home with a dentist. Yeah, right. >> There's a dental thing.
>> Yeah, a dental office. >> There's a dental um thing, >> I believe, in here. I think I just saw it. I I >> was not a It would be under retail
>> professional offices. Maybe >> that's >> professional. Like that's >> that was under >> that was under what? Civic. >> No, >> we've had we've had a medical or dental laboratories.
>> Laboratory. >> We've had a student in town before. >> Yeah. >> A physician. >> Yeah. It's got to be business or professional offices. >> I would imagine professional offices.
No, because it's a specialty. >> So, what what are they coming back with >> for approval? >> This says it requires a special. We'll have to go talk about that with
Joanne. >> So, it's not a change of use either, but I don't know what the Well, I mean, technically, it's not a change of use if you So, if you're looking at the building as a whole, it's it's business. It's a
building for business. So, do we require every business to individually get a special permit? It's the use of the use. So I think you would Yes. >> Yeah. They would need a whole new special
permit because the last one was a gift shop and this one is a is a totally different use. I can't right I'm all for making a case for change of Well, maybe they just need a change of use. >> Talk to your animal. >> Yeah. >> Is a change of use from person to same
person changing it? No, it could be any but it has to be within a certain period of time and it would be because Kinder hasn't been closed that long. >> No. >> So, what do you think you guys thinking on this when they come back? Is it >> I want more to it than just
>> I guess Joanne would know for sure if they if we can just do a change of use or if they need to do an entirely different >> It's probably worth talking about just because it's a >> entirely new special permit. Yeah, she didn't give me that impression.
>> Me neither, but I also didn't look at the at all when I spoke with her. So, >> I mean business or professional office is where I would put it. >> Or medical dental laboratory >> or medical dental laboratory, but I guess it depends too when we look at >> defining laboratory.
It's probably >> I just think like my father's a dentist and you know like it used to be that he would have to send all of his like X-rays and imaging out to a lab for them to process all that stuff. I mean now they do it all in house. >> Now it's all digital. >> Right. Now it's all digital and done in house.
>> Yeah. So that's different, >> right? >> And maybe >> it'd be business or professional. >> Yeah. because >> certainly that the idea of the base case >> Joanna will know right off the top >> and there could be too that there's some uh
requirements depending on which one of those two we go with and I would imagine that medical or dental has some pretty more >> I was just looking for the definitions >> okay
>> let's see uh David you took a look at the minutes >> yes oh yes >> did you I could not find the I didn't have minutes. >> I didn't have >> So, I'd like to make a motion for the regular meeting on March 11th minutes
>> to be approved. >> Can't I haven't seen them here. >> I didn't have a copy of them. >> I wasn't there. So, that's why I didn't get >> Oh, that's right. You weren't there. Uh, just give me give me like two minutes.
We have to find adult use. What did we say? Laboratories. >> I would note that there is a just an error, a typo on number two. Maria Chase Garish spelled a C. I mean, one of them is wrong. Spelled
two different ways. >> Okay. So, I would just note that and then say with the with the noted revisions. >> Yeah, I can do that. >> Make a motion. And then who's going to give Joan their copy? >> Me. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
Uh probably back. Yes, >> we do not. >> Oh, wait. Oh, we do. >> A facility including monomal not limited to performing or processing medical or dental tests, fabricating testing orotic
or Is there a professional office? That's what I would have >> been building. >> Um, all right. Um, having had an opportunity to review the minutes, I am moving to approve the minutes uh with
that one change with the typographical error on section two for 381 South Road. >> And I'll second that, David. >> All those in favor, we can give her >> in favor. >> Motion to
just approve. >> Yeah, we approved with the minutes. >> Yeah. So, give that to Joan >> with the changes. give that to Joanne for the changes. >> Okay. I thought Dave was giving it to Joan. That's why I said someone's giving it to >> I think you'll be back before Dave. >> Oh, you will.
>> Um, also, >> so what? >> It's literally just the >> Oh, this professional office. The office of a recognized profession maintained for the conduct of that profession. >> Then I think it falls under that professional office category.
>> It definitely doesn't fall under that. That was a that's a very >> that's just you know >> and there's no special permit anything >> in the business districts. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> After that. So I break up that table before. >> Uh yeah. >> Yeah. >> Are we still? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> With that conclusion, do I have a motion to adjourn this evening's meeting?
>> I make a motion to adjourn this meeting at 7:34. >> All those in favor? >> Second. >> I I >> They're all there. >> She's got the recording. She's going to be like, >> "What?