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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: cJ0FxcbHMb0):
- 00:00:02: Introduction, Outline, Authority, and Legal Notice Reading
- 00:03:40: Reports from Town Departments and Agencies Read
- 00:07:56: Applicant's Presentation: Site Overview and Existing Conditions
- 00:11:04: Applicant's Presentation: Proposed Site Improvements Discussion
- 00:20:20: Traffic Impact Study and Driveway Analysis Discussion
- 00:25:28: Architectural Plans and Initial Board Questions Begin
- 00:26:17: Site Distance, Snow Storage, and Left Turn Concerns
- 00:27:53: Traffic Backups and Potential Common Driveway
- 00:30:01: Traffic Study Scope and Main Street Intersection Analysis
- 00:32:47: Board Member Questions: Hydrocad Model, Crash Reports, Queuing
- 00:37:56: Sidewalks, Stormwater Responses, and Retail Restrictions
- 00:40:39: Signage, Snow Storage, and More Board Member Questions
- 00:44:21: Sight Lines, Sign Bylaw Alignment, Pedestrian Safety
- 00:47:12: Traffic Flow and Parking Challenges Discussed
- 00:54:56: Property Owner, Drainage, and Traffic Considerations
- 00:59:03: Catch Basins, Overflow Drainage, Stone Bottom Basins
- 01:03:53: Traffic Study Details, School Dismissal, Summers Road Bridge
- 01:06:33: Reviewing Peer Review Comments on Traffic and Design
- 01:11:56: Reviewing Stormwater System Comments
- 01:18:13: High Groundwater Table, Septic, and Wellhead Protection
- 01:21:17: Master Plan Alignment Analysis and Runoff Reduction
- 01:24:31: Public Comment: Relocating Driveway, Stormwater Issues
- 01:34:15: Public Comment: Traffic Lights and Rotary Discussion
- 01:41:16: Potential Recusal, Adjournment, and Continuation Date


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Welcome to our public hearing here on April 22nd, 2026. Support case 2026A. I am Pat Coin of the planning board. Maddie Pickley, our planning chairman, was unavailable today. So, I'll be

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taking us through the materials, working with uh the folks that are joining us today for this meeting. Um let me just give you an outline of how I think this will work this evening. You know I have materials to read uh which is standard

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for this kind of public hearing. Um I think after that the applicants will make a presentation to us and after that process goes we'll look at u some of the materials that were a result of the peer

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review uh and in that process uh you know the board will have questions most likely uh and once the board is done after the peer review process then we'll take audience questions and of course the name and address of anyone who's asking questions

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would be requested. U and then as we move through the process, we'll be making note of potential changes with the understanding that you know there will be a follow-up meeting u that uh you know we'll be preparing we'll have a

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continuence going forward uh sometime we'll pick a date but in May looks like uh couple dates look like they will work for us then. Okay. So that's that's the outline. Joanne and I have spent quite a bit of time going through the material, particularly the peer review. So I think

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I can get through that pretty efficiently without having to read a lot of that content. But let me start with uh the order of business. And as I said, I'm Pat Coin, the acting chair for the also with me are Christina Baddor, David

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Demers, David Buren, and Jose, our associate member. I will read statement of authority, the legal notice and other reports that we've we've received. The statement of authority says that the planning board is established under chapter 48 of the

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general laws of Massachusetts and acts in compliance with chapter 48 under the zoning law bylaws of the town of Hampton. Chapter 41 governing the submission and approval of plots of proposed subdivisions and the rules and regulations governing the subdivision of

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land in Hampton, Massachusetts. Legal notice states that the handing planning board will hold a public hearing on Wednesday, April 22nd, 2026 at 6:30 p.m. in the town hall, 85 Wilberham Road, Hamen, Mass on the

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application of Salmar Realy LLC Co. Peter Martins for a special permit under section 6 table of use regulation use code 4.14 within table 6.0 know of the zoning bylaw for a restaurant and a

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special permit with site plan approval under section 6 use code 4.12 for a retail establishment both within the business district located at two summers road lot 3 parcel 12-04-0000 owned by Hampton Farms LLC information

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related to this application is on file in the town clerk's office and available for review by the public during normal business hours for the board Madison Pixley, chair of the Hampton Planning Board, published in the Wilberham Times, March 5th and 12th, 2026.

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I'll now read reports received from other town departments and agencies. The town clerk reported there are no outstanding taxes to date. The board of health reported the existing sept septic system does not provide the required design flow or features that would be

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required for a food service establishment. They would need to install a new septic system complying with the new construction standards in title 5. To his knowledge, the existing system was not designed for a food service establishment. So, it needs to be replaced with a larger system. This

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would involve soil evaluation and obtaining a disposal system construction permit from the board of health. He also pointed out that this establishment will need to submit floor plans for review as part of its food permit application

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process. Since this will be a new food establishment, the board of health will need to complete a review of all their equipment in layout with respect to food safety and we will need to complete a pre-operational inspection prior to issuance of food service establishment permit.

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The police chief Daniel Bruno reviewed the proposed application with regards to zoning bylaws section 10.81 81 sections four and seven regarding traffic flow markings and proposed landscaping lighting and signage. The proposed

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traffic flow to include drive-thru parking and capacity of parking areas and drive-through lanes appear adequate. Signage, lighting, and landscaping selections are appear appropriate. Type, size, and placement of landscape materials should take into consideration any sight lines for adequate access and

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egress from entrances and exits onto public ways so that motorists will be able to safely enter and exit onto surface streets. Proposed plans appear to be adequate in taking into account both traffic and pedestrian safety. The conservation commission reports there

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are no wetlands resource areas or NHESP sites on the property. Thus, the conservation commission sees no potential issues to arise. And the highway department does there's a letter here from Mark Langon, our highway superintendent, which I will

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read. This is from March 19th, 2026. Here, planning board. Below are some comments, questions related to case 2026A and the application for a special permit. It appears that the traffic study by the applicant was only conducted on one day and did not include

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afternoon school dismissal times. I would like the applicant to expand this study to include multiple days, including the morning, afternoon, and evening commute times for schools and work, etc. I would also ask if the applicant would consider working with the town on a comprehensive traffic plan

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and traffic signal warrant analysis of not only this intersection, but also including the intersections of Main Street and Summers Road. This may help identify the impacts this business will have within an already overbur overburdened area. Other related concerns the applicant will have to

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address are line of sight and sight distance while exiting both driveways and left-hand turns in and out of each as well. I would cons I would encourage the applicant to consider relocating the east long metal road driveway so that it aligns opposite the mini mall entrance

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and perhaps coordinate with the abuing business owners plumber and self storage to combine and establish one driveway off East Long Meadow Road for all three businesses. I oppose any overflow discharge into the town storm water system. The drainage

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for this property should be contained on site and include catch basins at both entrances and throughout the parking lot that flow toward and empty into a retention basin with a stone bottom for maximum infiltration. Where will snow be pushed to and stored?

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Snow banks may block the water's path through the detention basement and ultimately run off onto town roads and into town storm water systems. Please feel free to contact me with any questions or comments. Thank you very much for your time. Mark Langoni, town

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hand highway superintendent. So that catches us up on those reading materials. Uh I know some of those topics are discussed in some of the materials that's been submitted by the applicant. So next on the agenda is as I

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mentioned the applicant's presentation. Thank you. Good evening. Uh my name is Philipe Cravo Associates. Uh here with me tonight is Miss Baron Ferd of Omen did the traffic impact study. Uh we are

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here tonight to present the site plan application and the special permit application or the improvements at two Summers Road. I believe everyone is very familiar with the site. It's right at the corner of East Long Meadow Road and Summers Road. There's the existing um I

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guess old uh bar retail building with a greenhouse attached to it. Across the street is the retail plaza with a restaurant on the corner. um just kind of give you a brief overview of what's on the site currently. Uh so currently

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there's two uh there's a there's a curve cut onto Summers Road. Uh this location with the paved access all around the building. There's the existing building pretty central on the site. U the site is zone business B. It's about 1.8 acres

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in size. Uh there are various site improvements but generally the building is the high point of the site and everything kind of the topography kind of sheds off in all directions northsoutheast and west from that building area. Um the site is currently

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serviced by utilities has a gas line coming from East Long Meadow Road. Um, as uh chair mentioned, there's an existing on-site uh disposal system, a septic system um about under the gravel parking area this general vicinity. Um

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there is water service pulled from a existing well on the adjacent property. So just some background, this parcel was cut was cut out of from a larger a larger piece of land. Uh so this parcel

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this corner piece was DNR off onto its own parcel. So some of the but some of the utilities including that water supply is still access is still being uh pulled from the adjacent parcel. Uh so we can talk about the water issue second

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but just to give you a brief overview. So business uh existing buildings and that pave uh uh driveway parking area around the building. There's a gravel parking lot to the south of the building here and then just various vegetation

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across the site, you know, just the lawn area along the frontage uh which will come into play for the storm water system in a second. So that's the existing conditions. Uh what is being proposed is

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a um it's a refurbishment sort of a rehabil rehabilitation of that existing building. uh with new site improvements. So everything will be constructed uh brand new other than the existing building itself. We're going to uh rehab

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the existing building. Um so we're going to have a curve cut a new curve cut of East Long Meadow Road here. Uh we're going to slightly move the the curve cut on Summers Road to be in line with a drive aisle. But essentially the the the

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build from the building there'll be a one-way circulation around the building. Both curb cuts are going to be both uh in and out direction curb cuts. So you'll be able to get into the site and out of the site from both curb cuts. But generally if you're coming in from East

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Long Meadow Road, uh it's going to be a one-way circulation through the site. If you're getting into the drive-thru lane, you the drive-through window on the existing building will be at about this location on the building. So, you'd get into the queue. Uh there's plenty of

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stacking to get up around the building. Um all the way back up onto the site here. U so a one-way circulation around the building in a counterclockwise direction. Uh also, you'll be able to pull through and park in a parking lot

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that's off to the south side of the site here. And in that parking lot, yes, it's it's two-way travel. And then you'll be able to circulate and get around the site uh from the from the interior of the site here or exit out onto Summers

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Road through that uh curve cut there. Uh as far as um utilities are concerned uh there like uh like I just mentioned water supply there's a number of the existing wells across in the in this

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area. There's no uh water public you know water main in any of the adjacent roadways. So every plaza all the buildings in this general area are serviced through either private water supply or a public water supply. Those

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are very different and distinct um types of water supplies. Um and we can you can see you know all these radius that are shown on this plan here are just buffer zones to various different water supply wells. um the the

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well or the existing building is located right here on the adjacent parcel. So currently we are working with a consultant that is helping us locate and identify the best location for a new

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public water supply because this is going to be a retail uh restaurant use. It's going to serve the public. Anything if you service over 25 people um if you need a um permitted under D regulations

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for a public water supply. So we are currently showing a water supply or or well on the site here but that is subject to change. Uh so that so that's uh with the water the sewer we understand that the existing septic is

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not designed or capable of handling the new use. So we have we are intending on designing and installing a new septic system on site. Uh it's just schematically shown in this location here under the parking lot. That is

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subject to change based on where the water supply finally gets installed on the site. uh electric is off of East Long metal road as well as the the gas connection will be off East Long metal road similar to how they are now. Uh from a storm

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water standpoint uh we've done a a number of test pits uh which is basically a soil evaluation on the property. Um and there's there's relatively high ground water on the site. I know one of the comments that I just heard from the highway department

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uh is you know catch basins into the the into a you more conventional system where you have a catch basin inlet in the parking lot goes underground through a pipe network and then that discharges into a basin uh is typically what you would see. But in this situation because

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the groundwater is so high we had to sheet flow on the surface and collect the storm water through two curb openings. One curb opening will be adjacent to the entrance here and another curb opening will be adjacent to the entrance here. And what those will

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do, those are low points. So, so the way the site has been graded is that you generally there's a high point along this rear parking lot will slope down to this low point. Water will enter through an opening in the curve into a water

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quality swale that's runs along the edge of the parking area here. Uh similarly on this side every you know this side of the site will enter into the storm water uh system area through this curve opening into that water quality swale.

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That water quality swell has been designed to overflow into an extended dry detention basin. Um and the way that this works is that an extended dry detention basin meters out water slowly so that it provides the water quality

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treatment um prior to discharge. And we are connecting into the the city drainage system or the town drainage system through the existing manhole that's in the right of way right here at this location. Um

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so and that's you know we do we want these basins to have an outlet so that you know that they're not they don't hold water over extended period of time. Um from a site lighting standpoint there's new light poles to be installed

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throughout the site. We provided a phototric plan which provide which calculates the book candles that are being uh distributed by those uh utility poles, those new sight lighting lamps. Uh they're all downcast LED lights that

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can be shielded so that they direct light straight down. Dark sky compliant so there's no light being directed in an upward direction. Uh which is basically the standard of all the lights

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now. Uh and um generally so that's so that's you know the improvements on the site from a landscaping standpoint. talk a little bit about landscaping. Um there's some trees being proposed along the perimeter

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of the site uh which currently do not exist. Um some sort of uh vegetated screening here along the drive-thru lane as well as some vegetated screening around the dumpster location which is off the back corner of the site here. It

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gives a good shot for uh you know dump truck to access those and then plow off the site. Um from a snow storage standpoint typically we hold you would plow into the adj into

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the vegetated areas adjacent to the site. So any all of this green space because we're not um we're not utilizing the entirety of the property. It's very large property. So there's there's there's plenty of green space around the site to be utilized for snow storage. So

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the intent would be to utilize all the all those landscaped areas around the site to store the snow. Uh and anything that can't be stored on site would have to get trucked up. Uh we currently have

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a we are uh we have a peer review from the peerreview consultant Ty Bond done zoning and storm water review. We understand we've read through we provide comments everything seems pretty logical uh nothing that couldn't be addressed through a typical peer review process.

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So uh I'm sure the board is familiar but we have a a peerreview comment letter that we received. We would address all the comments, revise the plans as necessary for whatever needs to be changed and then work it out with the

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peer reviewer peer reviewer so that when we come back to the planning board, they have you have a letter from them saying that everything's been addressed. Uh there are no additional comments. So, we understand that and um so uh we're in the middle of that process, but before

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we started revising plans, we wanted to present the project to the board, finalize the water supply because depending on where that lands, it could alter some of the different uh components of the site, which would, you

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know, incur changes to to some of the some of the uh the different aspects that are being proposed. So, we're in that process and and we understand that u all those comments. Um so, I know there was some comments from

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the traffic from a traffic standpoint. Um so, let me speak a little bit and >> um and for the record, Aaron Pette with Bowman Consulting, the traffic engineers on the project. Uh I'll give a brief overview of the traffic to date. Um I

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know we got some peer review comments to talk through as well, but of course happy to answer any questions or go into any detail that y'all might need. Um we conducted a full traffic impact study for the proposed project looking at the existing project site driveways, the

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proposed project site driveways and the adjacent unsalized intersection of East Long Meadow, Summers, Wilberham, Allen Street. Um, as part of that study, uh, we did, uh, turning movement counts during the weekday morning and weekday afternoon peak hours in September. Um, so school was in session, but we didn't

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get that like 2 to 4:00 time span that I believe the highway department was talking about, but we did get them when we were they were in session. Um, and given the proposed land use, particularly the coffee shop, we were really focused on that weekday morning peak hour because that was going to be the peak hour that had the most

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substantial increase in trips. So when we do a traffic impact study, we look at the existing conditions. So we go out and we count the cars at all those locations. We also did some um field observations to understand how this intersection works and make sure that our analysis reflected that um those

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observations. Um once we have existing conditions set, we then look out into the future. Um in this case, we did coordinate with town staff to understand a potential projection in traffic volume. So an increase in traffic volumes to look at under a future condition. Um we call that the future no

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build or the future condition without the project in place. And then we look at the future condition with all that other traffic that might come along along with the proposed project site. So the trip specifically um expected to be generated by the project. We estimate

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those trips by utilizing um the institute of transportation engineers trip generation manual 12th edition which is industry standard um for the proposed land uses. Uh once we understand the volume of trips associated with the proposed project, we

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then distribute them onto the adjacent driveways and ultimately roadways based on existing travel patterns. Um once we have all of those numbers, we have those different scenarios, the existing condition, the future year without the project, and the future year with the project, we conduct capacity analysis to

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understand how these roadways work under each of those scenarios. And um specifically the one that we're most interested in is that change from without the project to with the project because it really identifies what the potential impacts are for or associated with the project itself. So based on

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that capacity analysis um each of the site driveways is shown to operate at we call it level of service C or better. So it's essentially a grade A being a good traffic flow F being less ideal traffic flow. Each of the driveways are shown to operate at level of service C or better

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during that weekday morning and weekday afternoon peak hour. Um, and then looking at the driveway because it's unsalized, we usually identify one movement that is the the critical movement in this case is the Wilberham Road approach during the weekday morning peak hour that is shown to operate at

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level of service D both without and with the project in place. And under the or during the weekday afternoon peak hour, that approach is shown to operate at level of service F. Um I do want to note that that operation is independent of the project. We see that with under the

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future condition without the project in place. Um and overall when you look at that change from with the project to with the project, we see a very minor or almost negligible increase in delay for any of those approaches that I mentioned. Um the last key piece that we

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do look at in our traffic impact study are the sight lines for each of the site driveways. So again, believe that was something that was brought up by the highway department. We want to ensure that vehicles entering the project site and exiting have full view of each other

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and of other cars on the adjacent roadways. And so we when we do our our field observations, one of the things we measure are sight lines for vehicles looking in each direction as they exit the property to make sure that they meet um a min at least a minimum requirement.

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But in this case, it also meets a recommended guideline for the posted speed limits on Summers Road East. Um, I do have some uh, you know, we did provide some additional information in response to the traffic peerreview comment letter that I believe was dated

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March 10th from Tyen Bond. Um, that goes into a little bit more um, information on crash data at the intersection. They ask for a little bit more information on passby or trip generation information. Um, I can go into that now or I can I

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know you have some materials that you want to go over so I can pause there and we can pick it back up when ready. >> Yeah, I think so because I'll I'll catch that when I go through some of the comments. >> All right, sounds good. Great. >> Thanks, Aaron. >> Yeah. No. Um, I have some

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architectural elevations that we can take a look at. um the floor plan of that of that existing building. So you know I have a lot of information here that we can kind of uh use to you know

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further the discussion along and answer questions as we go along. So with that uh you know to turn it over to the board and start questions discussions. >> Great. Great. All right, guys. Just thinking you seem to have any thoughts

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based on what we just heard uh on either the the traffic flow or design and water issues. Um I had a few comments from John Matthews which I think we've somewhat we've covered about uh site

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distance. So it sounds like Erin that we're meeting recommended guidelines based on those driveway locations. Uh John mentioned had a question about snow storage. That sounds like it's within expectations and guidelines there. Yeah.

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Um he had a comment about accessing building from a rear a back parking lot. I don't know if that was an earlier version of that. There's not really a there's not a back. >> So I I think he's probably referencing this back this parking lot here. Um, and

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you know, generally if you know, anyone parking in this back part in this back parking lot would, you know, have to use the the crosswalk across the the drivethru entrance here to get to the front of the building, >> I think. Right. Yeah, that was his

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comment. You have to cut you have to go through the drive-thru lane to get to the building. >> Yes. Okay. Um and then if general comment about taking left turns from the boats driveways

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could be a problem and that's any observation on that in your study. >> Sure. Yeah. I mean when we do our analysis we do account for um all the directionality of traffic. So in this case we do have cars that are are turning left onto East Long Meadow and

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Summers Road. and we're still seeing that those driveways are are operating well below capacity. So, we do believe that allowing the left turns out of there won't present uh an operational issue at those driveways. >> Okay. >> Other questions? What about left turning

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in from uh East Long Meadow Road? Because that backs up because of the stop sign. >> Sure. >> That that backs up almost to the bank. Yeah. >> Between I'd say 4:30 to 6. Yep. >> It's pretty tough to get through there. So someone trying to, you know, come out

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or someone trying to turn in there with that whole line of traffic. Yeah. >> You know, as courteous >> similar concern what I was reviewing. So >> yeah, that's a good point. And I know, you know, in in some situations we would propose things like um some striping at least that was enforceable that would,

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you know, even if people didn't always abide by it, it did give some structure for folks to allow for that gap. Um, >> I think that's why there was another plan that I saw before this where I know you guys don't really care to do it, but to move that driveway, that entrance

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back into the other business behind it and do a rightaway and have that one entrance for all the buildings. >> Yeah, >> I know that was brought up Yeah. before. >> So, >> I know you don't care to do it because you want to keep your business on your own property. >> Well, yeah. So, that's that would be the only thing is that the property line is

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is shown right here. So any it there's not uh it's not you know feasible to stay on our land and get over to across from that other basically they don't they wouldn't own this adjacent parcel so they get

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>> obviously we can't control what happens on the neighbor's property but I guess my question for you would be kind of in in line with with just Denver's comment is have there been any discussions at all with the butter relative to potentially working out some sort of common driveway

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I I'm not sure if there have been discussions with with the abutter. Um, I just know that, you know, just, you know, you typically would want to keep your access to your site within your rates. Unless you're part of a larger, you know, a larger development, there

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was future development on here that could utilize that another access, then potentially, but you know, to keep it single site, you know, it's this is >> um sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off

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or anybody, but I I I guess I have another question about the traffic study in general because for me personally when reviewing this this application, you know, that's like my biggest concern right now while looking at this proposal is, you know, a lot of us live in town. We know how horrible that intersection

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is already. So, I think we're all a little bit leerary about uses that are going to increase, you know, traffic issues in that location. You know, even if it's just a two-c difference and delay, you know, that doesn't seem like a lot, but, you know, it adds up. Um, particularly where you've got these, you

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know, the the East Long Meadow access, which is relatively close to that intersection. I mean, both both of them are I mean, close enough to the intersection where left-hand turns are going to be an issue whether you're going in or out of the establishment. Um, but I'm also curious as to whether

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there was any discussion or intent to include the Main Street intersection as part of the traffic study as well because while it is, you know, obviously further down Summers Road, you know, there's also at those peak hours of the day a lot of um problems getting in and

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out of the main street um onto Summers Road, whether you're making a left or a right. So I can only imagine that this would have an impact on that intersection even though it's, you know, a few hundred feet further down the street. >> So you just to chalk that out a little bit. Um, so typically when we do impact

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studies like this, we we obviously look very close to the intersection and and typically what happens, we see what goes on there and then depending on what's happening there, then we can expand our study area. Um, MASDOT also does provide guidance about what is included and not included in the study area and based on

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that guidance that's how we developed the initial study area. So once you layer that on top of the the minimal um impact we didn't expand the study area. The other thing to note um is that when we are looking when we looked at where all these trips are going um I think we

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had about 40% that are going to and from the south on Summers Road. Um, and so when you apply, you know, this intersection is obviously going to see the largest impact. Um, and then when you piece off the the 40% or so that are going to come to and from the south, that's even smaller. And so we would

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expect that the impact again, the impact from this project to be smaller down there, fully recognizing that there may be some existing issues with the operations at that location. And I think that's, you know, part of the uphill battle that that you guys face is that I

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think, you know, or at least I recognize that this is already a problematic problematic intersection. You know, it's it's an inherited problem for for your project essentially. That's my two cents. >> I'm sorry. I got 14 questions. Should I

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side? Should I just give them to them? or pass them in and let them. They're pretty quick some of them. >> Well, will you want to give us a few of the quick ones? >> Read them off and then hand them the paper sheets. >> Well, you haven't already. The hydrocad

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model, has that been run with the liner in place? >> With the liner in place. >> Yeah. Your response to the uh Thornton comment. >> Yeah. Ty B. Yep. >> Yeah. Um, so

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it has so the the way that works is that because we're in the water supply, uh, the public water supply, they're saying they would like to see the the liner or a liner on this portion of the pro of the the basin. Um, we did not account for any exfiltration. So there was no,

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so the liner won't impact the hydrocadulations because there was nothing being the liner would just prevent water from infiltrating into the ground. We were not accounting for any water infiltrating into the ground in the model. So it had it hasn't been updated

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but all those questions from time bond will be worked out with time bond to make sure that they get addressed adequately >> including uh the phosphorus piece. >> Yes. Yep. >> Yep. So that's it's it's a water quality

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treatment. How about splitting the swale into two instead of just one that? >> Yeah. So the way that the way they would like it to see it modeled, we modeled it as one swale in the hydrocad model. They would just like us to break it out into

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into two pieces that meet here at the center and model it that way. But I don't see >> you're going to come back with these. >> Yes, we we'll come back. Yep. We'll work with Ty Bond. >> I'll give you the next four. >> Sure. the uh crash reports with Hampton

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Police Department. Did you not get those? >> We did. So, when we submitted our original response to comments, I think it was March 24th, we got the um information from the police department. It was probably about two weeks later. And so, we provided another um response

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today. >> You got a supplement in your folder. I just received it yesterday, I believe. >> Um yes, but they were able to provide some information, not all of it. So again, we can talk to Ty Bon and see what they they would like to see >> about the uh about the turning point of

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fire engineer emergency vehicles. I don't see that. >> Uh we can we can certainly provide that. I'm not sure if one was included in the plan set, but we can absolutely run a truck through >> we can run a fire truck through the

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through the site. Yep, we have soft. >> All right, look at that. And the of course the >> the management of the traffic if you've been to the Dunkin Donuts that's there now. It goes right out into the street out of the street. >> Yep.

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>> So uh going to be one of my questions. >> Yeah. You got uh 62 daily trips. Where do where are those between six and eight? Where are those where they think where those vehicles going to be stacked? >> So the queue

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>> how many? >> Yeah. Right now we have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12 vehicles stacked from the order from the pickup window >> to to to that and that. So that's 12 to

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here. I mean, if you're if you're stacking out and around the site, that's one thing. If you're stacking out towards East Long Me Road, so we actually we could provide signage on the site that >> cannot stack back here. the site cuz if you stack around the

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site, >> I mean you you could wrap the whole the whole >> did the traffic one day. >> Yeah. >> So, did you go by the Dunkin Donuts and watch the traffic flow in and out of the

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Dunkin Donuts or did you just concern yourself with the front of the building? >> Um, we focus primarily on the proposed project site. you got any plans to go to the Dunkin Donuts and take a look at how the traffic flows in and out of there? >> I mean, I think we would primarily be interested in the directionality of that

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traffic because again, this site is going to be, you know, that site only has so much Q storage before, you know, there's not really any before the order board before you're in the parking lot, right? So, this this is going to be a huge improvement above that. So yes, there are issues with the existing one,

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but how they translate to this is is probably not as onetoone as you >> would give you an idea how many cars are going over there. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That Yeah, that's fair. Um, you know, I think we have pretty robust data to support the trip generation numbers that we put together.

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Um but we can certainly talk to Ty and Bond about um alternate >> then that the uh know that master plan calls for >> sidewalks

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there the signal warrant analysis calls for a traffic signal there is have any interest in sidewalks in some way to pull across these.

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>> So people people walking through that driveway both of those driveways walking to the plaza walking anywhere really at risk safety risk. So that's

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something then you then you got at least 10 of the 15 storm water peerreview responses. Uh should do you usually put a deadline on these responses to these questions?

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Do you give them a deadline? You know, >> not deadline. Huh? >> Are you giving them something? What? >> No, we we'll do a continuence and usually with the agreed upon date, they'll have their >> continuences. If they don't get what they get, it goes into automatic. What's that? There's essentially um time frames

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involved within if we close the we have to make decisions within a specific time frame and if we don't make a decision within a time frame there may be constructive approval >> right >> potentially >> the next question I got is the uh the rest of the space you have the rest of

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the space that has a lot of traffic it's going to it's going to uh exasperate the problem it's already there so is there any discussion about restricting the retail spaces to uh traffic. If you have

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someone that has an office, that's one or two, but if you have another retail space that becomes incredibly popular like I don't know whatever, then you then the traffic's even greater in that. So, uh

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thinking of some kind of condition restricting the other retail use in there. Yeah, I think the way that correct if I'm wrong, but if it's it's designed under a certain scenario, it's assigned a retail use which which is

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assigned a certain level of uh trip generation numbers. So based on that number is how the site is being analyzed. So what it actually comes in at it would be something. >> Yeah, it can be it can be difficult to project that value without knowing the

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ultimate user, right? You know, if it's something like >> Well, it would you would be able if you restricted it, you'd have a better idea. >> Yeah. >> And I we could keep going. I want to get through them quick. Right. Back >> the uh you know, you got the Duncan sign,

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right? So now when you drive into town, it's going to be totally identified with it's a huge sign, but it it doesn't really show much of uh any kind of sign compliance on this plans that I saw. >> Were you

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>> Is there something on there? >> There was something that says that there was going to have the Duncan letters on the building. >> Yes. >> But there wasn't going to be a sign up by the street. Correct. Uh so we there was a proposed sign off of the Summers Road entrance shown on our site plans. I

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was not Austria uh if there was any other communication that said there wasn't going to be but >> I didn't see that one. I just saw the the letters on the building. >> Yeah. But the building, you know, there'll be sign signage on the building itself. >> Dimensions or anything? You got >> Can you give us an idea at some point?

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What what >> So here here's an elevation of the uh of the building. So, as if you're looking at it, uh, this would be, I guess, off of Summer's Road. Drive-thru lane is here. Put this out

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here. So, you know, Summers Road drive through Lane is here. This is sort of that uphill, you know, octagon. Don't know how many sides it is, but uh, so there'll be a sign off that front awning here. And then looking at it from the

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east long metal road here, you know, there' be the doors. >> Are you proposing a sign on the middle of the grass over there? >> That would be off of I'm not sure >> address. Um, so this would be the signage that's

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off of uh >> so there would just be one sign off the road and one sign on the building in relation to the size. Is it the same scale? Quarter inch to a to a foot. >> Uh quarter inch to a foot.

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>> Yeah. So that Duncan drivethrough side is going to be twice the size of the one on the building. >> Uh just about quarter inch a foot. All right. That's all right. That's that's we're still >> any signage would have to be science reging to their pilots. >> All right. Where's the where's uh you

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know I know you mentioned where the snow is going to go but doesn't seem to be anything specifically where it's going to go on the plan. >> Yeah, we could. So, let me get that site backed up for you. >> So, obviously there's there's all the

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this is this green space around. So any smaller snowstorm events, you can just you can plow it off into the off into the adjacent landscaped areas or stack it, you know, on the paved areas. If there's a large snowstorm, kind of like

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this past winter where we just had some consecutive snowstorms, you know, they will truck it off the property, >> but there's no point to put snow storage and the the swale, I'm assuming. >> No. So you don't Yeah, you don't want it. >> No, then you can't. Then it gets into the traffic,

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>> right? Well, yeah. And you don't want to That would impact the the storm water system. So, you don't want to plow it into the storm water basin. So, you you'd have to push it around and stack it here. Probably this drive out here. Everything else, this parking lot off the off the side.

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>> It's not quite as much land as you'd think when you consider that you can't really use half of the the landscape area for snow storage >> up here. Yeah. You can't use the stove water. >> Those are my preliminary questions. >> All right. I was talking with Joanne.

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So, I think what would be helpful if you want to, you know, shoot her some some of your comments, your bullet points. >> I have them right here. >> And then Okay. Then if you >> All the questions that I asked are right here. >> Okay. If Joanne gets those, we'll get those to time by and see where they are.

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>> Yeah. then you can distribute it to us and we'll make sure that we get answers to all those questions. >> Um I have another question. Um with the trees being like out so close to the edge, right? Does that get into the traffic study of >> not being able to see especially with those cars coming like right now there's

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no there's no trees there. There's nothing >> and you know it comes in at an angle. So with those trees inhibit people from actually seeing the distance further. >> Yeah. we we will, you know, have Eric. >> Yeah, typically we'll we'll layer it on to, you know, we'll layer the sight

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lines onto a site plan. I think that might have been one of the comments. Um just to make sure that the items within that sideline are um either below 2 and a half feet is usually the metric or spaced enough part because a tree, you know, with the right spacing, you can you can still see around them, right? So, we want to balance that um

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visibility with the improvement that the trees. >> I'm just my concern is because of the way the road comes around. >> Yeah, totally. I live in a blind driveway, so it's a fun day every day to get out of the driveway. >> Yeah. Um I think on the next plan, I'd like to

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see signs that align to the bylaw specifications. Um question, are they backlit signs? >> Uh yes. So the way that it's being presented here is it would be extended

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back side >> and on the building >> off the building I believe so yes back >> okay >> um and then I share similar concerns with the

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traffic backing up people taking lefthand turns. I'd also strongly suggest not putting any foliage on the corner, 2 and 1/2 ft tall or not. Any anything that's obstructing, whether it's a tree trunk this big around and

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then another one 10t away, any obstruction of vision in that intersection for me is pretty much going to be a no-go. Um, but yeah, the the traffic I'm not as concerned about the storm water or the snow. I'm more concerned about traffic and then foot traffic through that

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parking lot. A lot of signs. Um, >> yeah. >> Yeah. I I totally agree with both both of my colleagues comments with respect to the foot traffic as well because this is the type of use people are going to

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start walking to this site from that plaza and there's really there's no safe way to do it is what it comes down to. >> And those front parking spaces are only accessible if you come in on the summers roadside, right? Like you can't come in on East Lung Meadow and turn into the front section of the parking lot.

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>> No, these ones here. Well, you would have to go around the site. Okay. >> Around the site. It's a one-way circulation around the building itself, >> but two-way this parking lot, but one way down this aisle. So, you can get around.

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>> The parking is tricky because we do specify that the parking should be in the rear when possible, but for this specific project, that just makes it a little >> Yeah. If anything, you know, and and this was kind of my thought originally was

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you know, because of this the parking in that I mean, you've got essentially frontage of both East Long Meadow as well as Summers Road that you're dealing with here. So, you're constrained as far as what the rear of the building is. Um, and I don't believe there's currently parking in that in the front portion of

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the of the lot. Correct. >> Not established parking. Do cars park there? Yes. not a step but not you know there was never formally parking in that portion of the building. So I guess my question and this is this is more a you know question for the board is do they

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need a variance for that parking in the front? Do we have the right to to wave that requirement? And if not, is this a pre-existing non-conforming use with respect to parking in the front? If I mean, that's once again, I just don't know about the parking from the previous uses and where

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>> on the Eastong on road or the East Meadow side >> on East Long Meadow side. >> That's not the That's not the front though. I don't have the technical front. >> The front is here, Summer's Road, because it's two Summers Road. So, the front is here, not there. That's the

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side. >> It's the existing building, right? So, we're working with the existing building. Um because in an ideal situation building's out towards the corner and all the parks, you know, around here, but because the yeah, the front of the building is kind of this side. It's the

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front's over here off of Summers. So >> I I mean I guess you know my point being that and and this is something that again I maybe I just need to double check our own bylaws on this issue but if there is frontage on two roads I I mean you may be utilizing frontage off

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of one road hence the two summers road but I think you still have to deal with the factly have frontage on two streets meaning that both portions of that building are the front of the building. Well, from the zoning standpoint, you know, two front yards and then two side

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yards. The corner parcels don't technically don't have a rear rear yard. >> Two front yards and two side yards. >> So, I mean, that's my my my question ultimately is, you know, what form of relief would be required for

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parking in that location? Um the additionally when you were talking to my colleague Joe over here about the driveway and you mentioned 12 vehicles I thought one of the comments was that that was undersized size of the vehicles. It's actually eight vehicles

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in the driveway >> or in the drive drive-through lane which you know that's not that many when you I mean before you start backing up beyond the edge of that building. Um, and I, you know, once again, the existing

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Duncan, you know, you get more than, uh, you know, six or seven vehicles at a time. Sometimes it looks like sitting there. >> Yeah. I mean, I will say on the the comment about it only being eight vehicles there. The standard they were using is 25 vehicles for a car. That's typically what we use for roadway

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capacity. So when you're standing at a stop sign, I think drive-throughs tend to be a little bit more condensed, but kind of either way to Luke's point earlier, we have the ability to wrap around the building. And I I think, you know, I if this is your Duncan and, you know, I know that I have to, you know,

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I'm coming from the north, I'm probably not going to turn right here and then take a left and then circle all the way around, right? I'm going to I'm going to know that well to get in the back of the queue here, I'm going to come down and then and circle around that way. So I do think because it is a use of convenience and it's a use of convenience for folks who are going to do it pretty

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repeatedly, you will find some efficiencies in how people access the site because of that very specific use. Traffic impact aside, I think this is an improvement on the

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current Duncan, which is a nightmare. Um, >> but I do see the st sorry I do see the stacking blocking in the cars that are parked in that front section which could pose issues if those are handicap parking spots

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>> especially if you are backing up around for the drive-thru and now all of a sudden people are blocked from actually leaving. >> You can only go one way out, >> right? So >> yeah though you're talking when you're back out and then the drive >> cars would have to stack around that way

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back >> here. >> Yeah. >> Uh for these angled spaces. Yeah. Um I can we can we can I know we ran through a number of concepts on this. Maybe move some of the it's just for for the ADA

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accessible spaces. It's the closest accessible room, right? So to put them, you know, as close to the front entrance of the building as possible, >> you know, which would really make sense to >> you want them walking across the drivethru to get around the building >> down, you know, to get across.

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>> Yeah, I know. >> So, yeah, we could probably move some of these spaces and kind of extend the parking, you know, add some parking spaces up the block here. Um, but the ADA spaces at least, I think, or at least a few would need to remain up

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front there. Is that it? Doesn't look it, but is that wide enough to be so if cars stacked? >> Yeah. No, I wouldn't think that >> if they stacked along this edge.

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>> Yeah. >> And there was a separate because then you're going to have nothing here. You're going to stop cars from stacking if they could back out and come out that way. And the cars, it's similar. You ever been to the Wilberham Duncan? There's a similar thing where the cars

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have to stop. They can or the Palmer I lived in the area a long time. um where you have the traffic has to stop so that the cars can get out and it's >> like >> the parking in the front the drive cubes

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around the back of the building >> and then they have the side >> to tell wide enough >> building from the back >> right >> drive to get there um >> definitely >> live and they're providing

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>> yeah my my main concern is traffic everything else I think is easily addressed they're providing >> it's it's really the left turn it's really for me it's the left turn from from the intersection onto East L turn into that parking lot >> y and also just you know I think there's

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you know there's not there's only so much you can do about summers the summer's road entrance But you know from my perspective that East Long Meadow Road entrance would be really problematic. Um I would encourage you I understand that

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there's you know we cannot you know obviously do anything other than encourage um I would encourage you to at least have a conversation with the the butter about the possibility of moving that driveway further away from the intersection or that entrance way. I

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mean that's that's just my my two cents but >> and at a minimum butter is painting on the things I'm not um >> the hashing on the road. >> Yeah. Do not block. >> Yeah. >> I think I mean I think part of the the

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issue for me is that you know this is as a town we we should probably be doing something about that intersection generally speaking. Wasn't there a note from the selectman to work up the town? >> And I I think it's a great I think it's a great note.

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>> Seeing mean you guys are going to do something big. We can work with the town and work together. >> Sidewalk. I mean I think the sidewalk makes a lot of sense because just for that pedestrian access uh you know maybe there's something to their sidewalks.

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Do we know if lighting is going to be shut down at night when >> uh certainly the panel lighting? >> So typically it's like 4:30 to 8 is kind of typical dunking time frame like hours of operation. 4:30 a.m.

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>> So about 8:00 closes. >> Yeah, this this site just in particular has a lot more um resident I don't want to call them a buttersa. think technically they're all abuing but a lot more residences nearby than the current

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location which I don't think even the shopping closet turns off their lights so I would like to see the lights on this site >> not beyond at midnight >> it I guess my my final my final comment is that uh we have listed here is the

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property owner Dr. uh Michael Samino at 16 Summers Road. I don't think he really lives there and I'm not quite sure unless he became a doctor since the last series. You've identified

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a writer who we should not only have is address that's notices from the don't really that building exempt. >> So it would be whatever farms LLC. >> Well that's incorrectly registered with

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the state. >> Okay. We can >> well you might want to let them know that this is they could build it. All right. Anything else here? There's a few other comments I had from John Matthews I can just quickly get through

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and then go to some of the peer reviewview comments. Um so this I think you might have touched on some of this already and I missed it. So he talked about drainage. You mentioned that the overflow is connected to the town system. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, it's it is connected to the town

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system, but we're not the way that we analyze storm water that we identify design points and where the water's going to today. >> Yeah. >> And we have to we cannot increase to that design point after development than what's already going there pre-development. Okay. >> And that's what Tyan Bond has done in

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their peer review. They've gone through our storm water drainage report. Yeah. And analyzed the hydrocad to your first questions uh in regards to the Tabon peer review. They go through it's very technical. You know, I would certainly don't want to get into numbers of it,

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but um it's very technical. That's that's they're they're doing the peer review on that and it's very common for a project like this to >> to uh go through that process. But it does we're not introducing water to anywhere it doesn't already go. That's a sense. Okay.

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>> Uh you mentioned no catch basins the overflow to the stone swailes could be a maintenance issue about that. >> Um so the way that this the storm water system works which I I kind of uh gave you the overview is that because of the

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high groundwater on the site existing elevation of the existing building a a typical pipe you know underground conveyance system wasn't easily for this >> right >> so we have to convey the the water from a surface stand so we have to get it to

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where it needs to go on the surface >> so that's so so this design incorporates the openings in the curb to get the water into the basins um we're just going to have to you know as part of the long-term operation and maintenance plan have to include that you

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that those be taken as open drain. >> Yeah. >> Uh you mentioned you know snow may clog snow may clog run off to detention basins. >> Yeah. It's just the same the same if you know

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>> it's just it has to get there and >> if it's running water then it'll it'll >> it way to those areas. >> They mention how what amount of rain or storm water will overflow to the town system. Yeah. You said when it gets to a certain

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point, it would go into the in the corner out there. >> Yeah. So, this the way it's designed, it's you're going to have like a swale along the other side of the pavement. So, you you know, you'll be standing up your garden, you'll see a little swale there, then the basin on the other side of that. So, the water will go into the

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basin where it will hold the water and then it will get metered out through what we call an outlet control structure. So that controlled structure has orifice on this on the side of it, meters of water out and that's how we control

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the the water that's discharging to the the the town system. So that way we can match those discharge rates from the to match those pre-development. Okay. So like I said, we're not introducing any we're not going to increase the water that's going to the town system that

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doesn't already get there. >> Okay. That's a good theme. Uh what he mentioned last point was stone stone bottom of the detention bases results in infiltration. >> Yeah. So that that's that's enough. So

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an infiltration so an infiltration basin has very specific design requirements in regard to separation to to groundwater. So part of the process when you do a site design like this is you dig test pits within the basin that you're designing. Yeah. And those those test

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beds you have soil evaluator that person state to identify the seasonal high ground water. So you're not looking at the water elevation that day. You're looking for redux or staining along the

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side of the wall of your test pit your excavation hole uh to see where water fluctuates and where it reaches its maximum. There's certain ways to do that through valuation process. So when you design storm water basin an infiltration

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basin specifically you need a specific separation to that seasonal high groundwater because the groundwater is so high on this site. We can't this basin would be at the same elevation as the perfect just how you get that separation to the ground. So we couldn't

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design an infiltration basin on this property that meets the storm water standards. So we went through the process and what's being reviewed by Tai and Bob and I think one of their comments actually concurs with our evaluation on that um that this you know

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the the the basin has been designed. Okay. >> They're going to we're going to come into town and that's what we're going to see is that base as soon as we drive down uh Summer's Road and Allen Street. >> Correct. But it should be dry. It should there it'll hold water after it rains

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because that's what it's there. It's going to hold the water and meter it out slowly, but it it's designed to empty out completely and be vegetated. So, it's going to be a depression that's vegetated. Right now, you you have one essentially across the frontage here

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that's just kind of sloped from the building to the to the roads. Except now with this design, you're gonna it's going to be a dip in there. It's going to be a storm water basin, but it's going to be grass vegetated mode, just a grass bottom. If you make

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it a stone bottom like that, then it would really look out of place because it would you'd have this big stone area. >> That must be like Bethlehem, front of Bethlehem Baptist Church, right? In front of Bethlehem. Same thing. >> Yes.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. On that, I think just a couple maybe Erin on these traffic. Uh I think you one of his comments was there was only one day counted. >> Yeah. I mean that industry standard. We try to make sure that we get a day, you

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know, not a holiday, schools in session, you know, we try to get a typical day. We also compare the counts that we get to um seasonal data that mass puts out. So like, you know, if you count the middle of December, you know that that's going to probably be a lower count than say September. And so September is

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actually higher than the average. But you know to be conservative we didn't adjust downwards. Uh so you know our analysis is a little conservative on that front but I I do understand his point is like it's often thought that well you got to look at it a lot over a lot of time. Uh but we do we do follow

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NASAD's guidance on on that front. >> Uh and I think we go ahead. >> Sorry just on that note are traffic numbers in the afternoon obtained and compared to what you're seeing in the morning. So I guess what I'm saying is you're you don't study the afternoon, but do you know the numbers in the

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afternoon in that intersection compared to the morning? >> Yeah. So we do have weekday morning and the week afternoon. So we have from 7:00 to 9:00 in the morning and 4:00 to 6:00 in the afternoon. I think his point was more of the before for the school, right? Typically speaking, we still see a higher peak in that commuter peak. And

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so that's why we stick to the four to six generally speaking. Um but yes, >> that was my question. Have we really looked at just the worst case scenario like the worst time of day in that intersection >> which is the afternoon the volumes in the afternoon much higher then

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>> and let's see uh I think we said we did not include school dismissal time or something >> not specifically no >> but but more peak at 4 to 5 >> and at least what I've experienced as well >> 3:00 anyways that's >> and the last comment was should we

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should have extended this study to summers road bridge. Remember hearing say that the study should have gone further out >> to the summers road bridge. >> Yeah, >> I don't know that I agree with that. >> They wanted to include Main Street that

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intersection there where the gas is a solid >> Yeah, the bridge is far. >> That's really far. Um >> Okay. >> I would Yeah, I would be a middle to Main Street. I wouldn't die on that hill, but I'm definitely not going to advocate to go all the way to the

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bridge. That's pretty far. >> Okay. All right. So, that's good because we got through John's comments. Um, and then the next thing on the list here was to review the peerreview comments, which I've gone through. I think we can get

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through those pretty efficiently. So, >> all go ahead. Yeah, I I uh so I've got the I've got the Bowman stuff and the Lac stuff and I've I do think we can I can get everybody here comfortable with it. I'm not going to read everything, but just to kind of clear that and see

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see if you have any comments to what's there. Anyone else? Does that sound reasonable? >> Yeah. >> All right. So, maybe you probably want to sit down for this, right? >> All right. Okay. Okay. So we have from Bowman have the March 24th and then the update right

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April. So uh comment number one was we we recommend further investigation to causes of crashes and potential solutions and then that is what you provided here and it says you know there

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is additional information the revised summaries and police crash data are provided as an attachment. Okay. So that was provided. Um project generated traffic that was comment number two. Uh please confirm the specific retail use is unknown at

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this time and you could state the end user for the retail component. The project is not known. Project distribution time bond comp number three either update figure seven and eight to include pass by trips or provide additional figures. And then

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your comment which phone has passed by graphics which are provided as an attachment. So we got that traffic operations analysis time bond number four. We recommend that the proponent conduct a traffic signal warrant analysis to determine if signalization

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is a possibility and evaluate the geometric impact of a roundabout which is interesting. uh and you say your response is a signal warrant analysis was completed under two scenarios and uh the signalization of the intersection

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is not proposed to be included as part of the project. Um you see a review was also complete to understand the feasibility of implementing a roundabout as an alternative traffic control. Um we you stated that with the potential significant impacts to adjacent private

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property a roundabout is not proposed as part of the project. That is yeah hold >> that's why we don't have already any more detail too that's of interest time bound number five both driveways have a 10-ft curb radius please confirm that

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the site and both site driveways can accommodate vehicle turns I think something about vehicle turns and the response was the site plan will be revised to increase the corner radii to ensure vehicle turns for passenger vehicles deliveries and emergency

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vehicles Okay, time on comment number six that the one-way portion of the north side of the site stop bar should extend across the entire width and your comment was the site plan will rise to extend the stop bar across the entire

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time bond number seven. The vehicles shown extending from the drive-thru are misleading. There's 12 vehicles queued and your response was the project team notes that based on the use of a 25 foot ceued vehicle length and you mentioned this approximately eight vehicles would fit

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than the proposed queuing area which exceeds the requirements of five vehicles per zoning which Joan and I just saw. Yeah. And then comment number eight, there's an accessible ramp adjacent to the drive-through exit. Can this be

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shifted away from the building provide better visibility for pedestrian crossing? And you say the site plan will be updated to reflect modifications the accessible ramp adjacent to the drive-thru exit to maximize visibility between pedestrians.

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Okay, those are that stuff. And next I have comments for a peerreview responding to time bond peer review comments. Um,

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so let's see. >> They're going to provide revised site plans next time they should we address the comments probably to see if they were completed on the revised site plans or no. >> They're going to revise the site plans

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based on those comments. >> So what's your point? I'm wondering if we should go through the comments after they revised the plans to ensure that they're all done. I'm just throwing that out there. I don't know. I mean, wait until we get the new plans, too. >> Yeah. The revised site plans. Yeah.

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>> But they're just This is all storm water, >> right? Right. But the next one when you do the >> because if they move the water, they're >> So, we would be reviewing the same things. >> We'd be reviewing it twice. I'm wondering if we should review it once we get the revised site plans, once they

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find where the water supply, where the septic, because that could change all of this. >> Yeah. >> So, if we review this stuff now, they're just coming back with new plans. Anyway, >> uh >> we would have to ensure that plans reflect >> all the storm water management standards

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that are% do that. >> Um there they will be addressed. I don't know if they will change, but I know we've already discussed explain all >> well why don't it won't take 10 minutes

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>> 15 minutes so I'll go >> okay >> you can tell me >> all right >> prec Associates is providing this response letter to peerreview comments issued for the above project to summer's road um

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>> wait and then zoning bylaw review in section 10.51 states that the single sheet locus plan showing the application. The applicant has provided a locust plan that does not meet those requirements. Responses the locust plan will be updated accordingly. There we go.

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Section 10.512 which I think is actually 13 requires inclusion of a table that contains the following information and the response was the zoning review table will be updated accordingly to demonstrate compliance with the section.

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Section 10.5114 requires elevation plans for all exterior facades and your the response is please see the attached elevations from the project architect. So that will be reflected there. Storm water management review

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uh chapter 14 section 61 of the town of Hampton requires storm water management systems development sites shall be designed to meet various standards. Uh and the response was a section addressing the total phosphorous removal will be added to the storm water report to demonstrate compliance with this

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requirement. Uh and then chapter 14 section 61 of the town of Hampton requires all projects to comply with the mass storm water management standards which we separately received the detail on what those were. We weren't sure what we didn't have

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ready access to those. So as far as those standards go, I won't read every one, but standard one, the standard was met. Standard two, the standard is met. Standard three says the applicant indicated the standards met to the maximum extent

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practicable. Uh the site contains high ground groundwater and a portion of the site is located within zone one wellhead protection area. And the response was it's RLA is understood. uh standard for partially met. We we

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recommend the applicant clarify how this sizing calculation was used. RLA response was uh the proposed extended dry detention base is designed to provide you know goes on what the standards are relative to storm water handbook. Standard five is not

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applicable or trees. Um standard six standard is not applicable because the system discharges to the municipal drainage system. Standard seven the standard is met. Standard eight the standard is met.

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Standard nine the standard partially met. Uh and they talk about the long-term operation and maintenance plan will be updated accordingly. Uh peer reviewview comment was also that we recommend the applicant clarify the

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maintenance need in the inspection and maintenance table and they said it be updated accordingly to do that standard 10 the standard is met uh let's see we recommend app is going to clarify how the western side of the

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extended dry detention basin will stay dry and response with storm water anticipated spread out evenly across the basin and the checklist some of the mass D checklist for storm water report um you

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mentioned that the D checklist will be revised accordingly um talked about the hydroad model earlier uh recommendation was that each swale is modeled individually to require the ensure the swailes meet residents

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residence time requirements in Massachusetts is storm handbook and the response was that the swell will be revised and modeled as two separate swailes. Um and a portion of the PS3 some of this

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technical stuff here appears to flow toward design 22. The recommendation was that the applicant consider revising the drainage areas and the response was that for f further clarity grade levels will be added to the post development wershed

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plan. Uh next was we recommend the applicant clarify what cover type the extended dry detention basin is modeled as and the response was the dry detention basin area will be rise to be modeled with the curve number

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uh site plans the planned indicant clarify the naming of the test provide the test pit log associated with the test pit locations and the response was that the planned indication for the test bits will be provided eyes to reflect

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the exact labeling and comment was we know the septic system is proposed within an interim wellhead protection area. The recommended system is designed in accordance with the applicable regulations and the response is the septic system

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will be designed in conformance with the regulations submitted to the board of health. Next was the curb types and locations are not called out on the layout materials plan. Um, and the response is that layout materials plan has several call outs for

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the curbing to be and the curbing is labeled to be flush. And let's see, 14. This we recommend the applicant consider including a sediment depth marker, sediment for bay. The response is that a sediment depth marker

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is shown and called out. And the last comment is we recommend the applicant identify areas for snow storage. Snow storage is not permitted within the extended dry detention basin and response with snow storage areas will be added to sheet C4 accordingly.

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So that's kind of a quick run through my comments that I have find my stuff. So comment I have is that in two instances you mentioned in standard three the site contains high

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groundwater in a portion it's located within the zone one well wellhead protection area you mentioned that and you further go on to say under site plans it states we note the septic system is proposed as I just said in the

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interim wellhead protection area. So the question I have is within our bylaws we have the water supply protection overlay district. We have a you know that area there is is our aquifer or one of our aquifers in town and the water supply

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protection district with an overlay district and shall be superimposed on the other districts established by law. It includes all lands within the town of Hampton lying within the interim wellhead protection area for town water supply wells

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and you know within that district there's prohibited uses and allowed uses uh you know the the disallowed uses include business or industrial uses which dispose of process waste water on site.

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So, you know, I don't I guess my question is should your should your documentation provide some review of that part of our bylaw that addresses that that whole section of guidance that overlay

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district which this is partially in. >> So, from a septic design standpoint? Yeah. >> You mean uh >> or just just in general, you know, we have >> Absolutely. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. So, our storm water report addresses the the wershed overlay district. Yeah. So, that imposes

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certain design limitations and restrictions and that's all has been incorporated into the storm water design. Okay. And it's documented in our storm water report which has been is being reviewed by time. >> Okay. >> So, was that part of our bylaws is part

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of your review? I'll say >> yes. Absolutely. This the current Duncan in the overlay district. >> No, >> just outside. >> Okay. Because we've had other projects where we have put a lot of effort into that

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overlay district. >> Sure. >> Okay. So, you understand that? >> Yeah. So, absolutely. So, the >> it's part it's it's it's part of the analysis that >> Okay. Okay. So, that's gets us pretty well caught up. Um

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see it pass you when as you're mentioning the other uh whether the plan is aligned bylaws to certain uh state regulations. Have they provided

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a master plan alignment analysis? In other words, have they compared have we got anything to compare the relationship between the master plan and this application? Because I did that.

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>> Yeah, we haven't we we haven't done that yet. >> We haven't done that. I don't know that we would ask them to do that. I think it's something that we would do as you might. If you have done that, then that's certainly helpful to think of the project in those terms. But I don't think it's a requirement.

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>> There's there's the aquafer, there's the rural character, the pedestrian access >> and the intersection safety. That's that's the tensions and conflicts of this project that are in the master plan, >> right? I guess the difference would be

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the those are things not required as part of the completion of the project. >> They're what? they're not required by LC statute or bylaws to be reviewed as as part of the executing the project. It's certainly, >> you know, I think it's valuable review,

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but not something >> it's incumbent upon the board, but it's not incumbent upon the applicant. Yeah. to review the master plan and this and and how this plan ties into >> because to your point Joe it absolutely and you know >> it absolutely

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will have a repercussions you know that aspect of this application will have repercussions on our review as to whether we think this is you know beneficial or detrimental overall neighborhood which is something that we can take into consideration as part of our review

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especially But to your point, I don't think it would hurt. >> Yeah. >> To have some sort of analysis in that in that regard. >> I think we should look at the master plan more often. >> Agree. >> Actually, part five of this report has

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here for you to >> Oh, yeah. I I saw that. >> Okay. any So, we've cleared a lot of the areas we intended to get through. >> I have one more. >> You have one more.

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>> Does that storm water system in the front there actually reduce runoff from the current site in the current capacity? Because I know it does slope down to the road. >> Yes, it all comes down to the road. So, it it reduces it slightly. It like So,

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we're where match or reduce is is the is the requirement. Got So, but we always end up producing ever so slightly >> because I know it's not it's not mostly paved now. So, I'm sure a lot of it goes down, but I always wondered if the runoff there.

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>> Yeah. Water system out there now. It just kind of runs off into the lawn area and then off into >> eventually, but now it'll be collected. >> But most of it's currently permeable whereas you're proposing is essentially Yeah. I mean, not Yeah.

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Nothing else from the board. I didn't know if there's anything from the audience. Any questions? Sure. Sure. Gary Gary went 53 mil road. Um first I been the board for taking a look at that driveway

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um on Eon Road. I think in support the highway superintendent has expressed his concern and The board has an opportunity to request the applicant to work very hard to move

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that driveway to be a triple driveway in the sense that we now have a new plumber who is adjacent to the parcel. >> Right. >> On the other side of the plumber, you are going to have self storage.

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And so if you can align that driveway up with the mini mall, one, you moved it away from the intersection and two, with all exiting and seeing each other opposite, you will improve traffic flow

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tremendously. One other advantage of moving that driveway down is that there are going to be people who are backed up, as we all know, who are going to want to cut through the Dunkin Donuts to get back

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out to Summers Road. Now, the way it's designed is great. I I it's a good design, but every good design has people who are going to try to explore and they are going to come through and out. they're going to cut. So they don't have to wait in the line for the stop sign.

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>> The further you move it back, better opportunity for stacking and and eliminating as many cutthroughs as may occur. >> There there is I won't call it a driveway. There is an opening right across from the mini mall plaza. So I'm

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guessing that belongs to property of plumber. Yeah. I mean there is there's no curve there. So, >> and you you always want to be 90 degrees opposite. >> Yeah. >> I mean, the less this that you're doing, the better off you are. >> Yeah. >> And I think it's good opportunity. The

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plumber just gone in there. He's got a dirt driveway right now. >> Um the self storage potential has not started yet. And I think that who knows, they may be amanable to to working with an easement all three to make it work. I

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just think the planning board has an opportunity here to uh more than suggest to the applicant that they really explore that opportunity. Um with regard to storm water, I would ask

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the applicant to sit down with the highway superintendent. Retaker Software and Muna Savings Bank were both denied access to that storm drain because of uh the drain not having the capacity at

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peak times to carry additional flows. Now, the new the site plan that you're looking at and the hydrocat analysis that was done is adequate, but they've actually added more pavement and

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potential runoff coming from that site. And although there's no formal storm water drainage, if you come in off of East Long Meadow Road, there is a pipe that goes under that driveway that takes the runoff that goes towards East Long

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Meadow Road and pushes it down past the plumber into a low area. So, there was an attempt made to keep water from coming off of that site onto onto both East Long Meadow and Summers Road. So,

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um I I would suggest you talk to the highway superintendent because uh again he's got an issue and if you can't overflow then there may be problematic in terms of sizing and working that

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detention basin. Uh one other quick point is where you're going to cross with your pipe into that van hole. Lacina's force man for their uh septic system comes across the road right

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crossing where you would put your pipe and then shoots up to retrer software in the back. So where your pipe is going you run the potential of breaking that force man that that goes through there just just as a point um of information.

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Um really those are my all one other point we live in New England and the reason I believe speaking for the highway superintendent that he was looking at catch basins

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was because the drainage from that site goes to the two two discharge points in wintertime. Plow guys love to leave wind ropes. And as good as infiltration trenches are for keeping storm water

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quality good better in the winter time, what happens is that wind row is going to clog those two outlets unless someone's out there with a shovel or with a a um a definitive plowing guide.

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So that in the uh late winter when we get rainstorms, you got the wind row that is blocked off going drainage going to the detention basin and because those are two low points, it's going out on the road.

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So just some thoughts about how you may want to take a look at that in terms of um I know as you say catch basins are a problem. I I understand that. But those two points of runoff may be

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more of a problem in the winter time. Uh again, maybe you can push the low points a little bit further into your site around the corners so that when the pondi comes, the ponding will be on your property and not

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out on the road. So you're So you're saying instead of having the drains here, have the drains on like the corners, >> right? >> Over here >> as far as you can push them. >> Push them in. >> And then and then just it's all going to

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You said it's all drained this way. So just got to make this a little higher here. It's going to bring it that way. >> Yeah. So it goes down to here, but then it comes back up to the property line and then back down to the road. So this this is the low point and it would have to pond. I don't know what the exact grades are, but probably somewhere

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around six inches up in this area, you know, before it would ever still onto some reserve. >> I understand. But it's it's if if those two are plugged, you're talking the runoff from that site, both places are going to be more than 6 in and it's

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going to end up on throat. Now, take a look at it. I think if you push the the loaf points around the corner, then at least you give your you're going to be ponding it on your site and not out on the road, not pushing it to the road. And one other

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thought is that if we're going to do retail in that building, if I'm parking in the back parking lot to go to the retail building, I have to walk all the way around. I'm lazy.

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I'm probably going to go right across the >> We have access to this drive-thru lane >> into the front area. >> So maybe again >> take a look at putting >> no restrictions >> because we've seen it. I think uh the

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McDonald's in in West Springfield has it where they denoted this is a crosswalk and at least noted out so that if people and and a sidewalk because otherwise you're asking people from that far corner

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to to take a walk all the way around whereas if you can go to the retail side by going along that side you might be better. Although Duncan's perfect example, they have it marked right off the pike. >> Yes.

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>> It's you literally walk through the drive-thru if you're leaving to go this way. Even though there's not much pedestrian traffic walking into the the neighborhood behind there, they still have it just for the sake of >> But I would ask that you talk to the highway superintendent.

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You know, you may be a he may decide that you can do it after talking numbers. But as I say, both reticers across the street and we were couldn't do it. It wasn't allowed. >> Yeah. I I strongly encourage that as

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well because he does have some concerns here especially about the um discharge into the town's storm water system. I think moving the drains and then uh this would be incumbent upon us to put some kind of condition on or require

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in the OEM that plowing be done a very regular um con consistency when snow hits the ground. you know, >> I think that's something we can >> Yeah. And there's also been conditions

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added to come back to the planning board after, you know, one winter season or two winter seasons or, you know, check in to see how it's functioning, right? So, if it is an issue, then you fix it. There's not an issue then.

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>> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. My name is Dale Deender. I'm here on behalf of uh two Allen Street and my questions are obviously a lot of this has already been discussed between traffic light uh the roundabout rotary whatever you want to refer to it as. I

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think if you put a traffic light in and I this is not up to me obviously it's highway department decision but he was talking about a light and I think that's going to multiply the amount of traffic on East Long Meadow. It's going to get a lot worse with light there. If it's a red light nobody's flowing through it.

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Um, an example I will give you too is a roundabout is on Bay Street right off of 291. Used to be traffic light there. >> Never see it back up anymore. Hardly. >> Oh my god. It's like >> it's perfect. >> That and in West Springfield where you're coming off and turning on to go

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up 20 off of Elm. Yeah. They put a rotary there by by um >> Sarrentos and PBS that turned that into a rotary. >> Yeah. That traffic light was put there. I mean, aesthetically for our building, I you know, that's not really important, but I think that's going to make it

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worse road. Um, so that just that's a point of, you know, that that I like to make. And then secondly, uh, was there any consideration when you put the plans together to come in off of Summer's Road and then turn right into the drive-thru and go the opposite way around? Um, so

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in other words, flip the building or not the building, but the the purpose of the drive-thru would be on the north side. north uh the northwestern corner that way they wrap around on the front of the building or someone's road side of the building. Is there any consideration about that?

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Because I think what's going to happen with all that whether there's a traffic light or not, it's always going to be difficult to to depart out of the East Long Meadow Road. Um and I think Summers Road is probably going to take the majority of the traffic coming into the

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building. So I know enough that was ever cons. >> Yeah. Do you follow what I'm saying? >> Yeah. So the the the Dunkin Donuts portion of this is going to be the the casino, but the front part of the building. >> Oh, that's it. >> Yeah. This is the this is the the retail

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side. I got >> So you know there's there's really the only access to that building so that you can put a drive away. >> Kind of need that. Just kidding. It does, but it's fine.

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>> Yeah. >> I didn't realize around the retro road. >> Um, does the catch basin area need preventive maintenance? Is that something that it's going to sweep all

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the litter and dirt and whatever down in there? Does that need to be cleaned out regularly? that will go that will go in the OEM >> um oper which is like the operations manual um we would require them to clean it out regularly. >> Okay. My bigger question is if I could

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just come up quick. Oh, I'm sorry. Were you >> No, no, no. Go ahead. I was just say it's part of the stormwater report. We we prepare a long-term operation and maintenance plan. So, the storm water management system, every piece of it would have an inspection and maintenance schedule.

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>> Okay. That's fine. Um, this this is a big block right here. This this is a a big block. It's got Esau metal road. It goes Summers Road. Then right down here, a couple hundred yards down is Metobrook Lane and it comes down here and then Cedar Road dumps back onto East Law

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Metal Road. So if I'm coming from Allen Street to get my coffee, I come blowing in here. If I'm coming from Wilberham, I come in here and I get my coffee. And instead of coming out here and taking a left and going back into this mess, I'm gonna take a right and come down

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Metobrook >> and go to Sea Road and come back out here. But once I know it, I got a big mouth. Everybody knows it. So you're going to get a lot of traffic on and I don't know whose problem that is. If it's their problem or planning board or

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the town, but this isn't this isn't a a regular road that's cut through. So that I think that could potentially create a lot more traffic on that little road than than I think anybody want to see,

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especially Joe. >> I do live on that road. >> I do I do have a big problem with that East Long Meadow Road entrance. That's really the only thing I'm stuck on. I think everything else we can

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figure out conditions on and M plan but that driveway is not good. >> Yeah. Just one other point for uh Arlo. There is a storm water permit required

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to the building inspector. So that part of the process Mr. Cra storm water permit is required through the building through the building. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So we have uh we've submitted that

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through. >> I have one thing. Um I don't know if this interferes with this. Um my son is a or my child is a employee of the Duncan. Does that make a difference to you guys? I mean I don't really care. It this has nothing to do with him having a

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job. So >> it's up to you guys. trying as they say she recuse himself. How did he rec? >> That's I'm asking them. It's their choice. >> An adult 22. >> I just realized it was the same owner

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moving over in the midst of all this. >> I don't pay attention. >> He's currently looking for another job. He's moving to Middletown. >> This is better than the existing drive-thru is. >> So, it's up to you guys if you want me

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to recuse myself or >> I'll have that discussion. >> Okay. >> It doesn't have anything to do with what I do outside of. >> So, it's your choice. Let me know at the next meeting. >> Anything else? the board of the

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audience. I think uh we're well on our way here at so for Aaron and Philip then you will be updating materials based on a lot of this dialogue and thanks again Joe for

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recording this for us. So this this gets posted on the town and you have access to that to go out and take a look at wanted to of course go back and look at it. It'll be posted on town site. How long does that take, Joe? >> Depends. Usually maybe a week or two.

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>> A week or two it'll get out there. Okay. All right. So, update the materials. And then we talked about, you know, our need for a continuence and we were thinking about a date. I have a document that would be signed here by us, the planning

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board, and the applicant. Um, and we mentioned May. Our dates in May would be May 13th and May 27th. And you know, is it too soon on the 13th? Do we go to 27th, which is a couple days

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after Memorial Day? Um, >> so just >> because it is relatively soon and we're still beyond the water supply stuff which you know I I don't I can't see it happen the next you know week two weeks.

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>> Yeah. >> Um >> more later or >> No, no, that's fine. But could we if we if we schedule it to the 13th is it a huge process to continue? we would have to open we would have to have open the meeting and we'd have to announce within

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that meeting that we're going to continue again. So your best bet is to probably >> further out >> second meeting today just the 27th then the second. >> Okay. >> And if it's not done we just have to open the hearing announce it again. >> Yeah. So we'll go to the second.

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>> So May 27th Joan I'll just break that down here. >> Yeah that's the second one. Today is May 7th. >> 27th. >> 27th. >> 27th. >> 27th.

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>> May 27th. announce it. Announce it the time to >> May 27th at 6:30 p.m. at the townhouse here again. >> So, >> there's two. >> I'll get Yeah, I'll give them one and

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I'll keep one here. Oh. Shut the lights off. >> No, I avoid that. >> Or they went off. >> And if I do a turn right, I go down. I turn around parking lot and come back.

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>> Anticipate a larger turnout. Thanks. vacation this week. >> Yeah, >> I had my own pen and then there was a penalty. Are you signing on? Can you sign that on behalf of our our effect

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that the continuence agreement? >> Yeah. >> The applicant on >> Yeah, he'll sign on behalf of >> the applicant, I guess. >> Yeah. >> And you can you can take one of the originals and I'll take the other one though. All right.

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>> Do we need one for your files? >> Uh, >> you can take one. I'll have one. That's all. >> Yep. >> Thank you. >> Have a motion to adjourn. >> Okay. >> I have a motion to adjourn.

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>> I move we adjourn tonight's public hearing, April 22nd at 8:16 p.m. >> Second. All those in favor? >> I. >> I. Thanks Erin. Thank you both very much and thank you for your questions. Thank

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you.