We'll see that. >> All right. We'll call the order. Our regular board meeting January 28th, 206, 6:30. Um, first order of business is >> I don't know how to do this. >> I know we're in a tight. You want me to
get another chair? Yeah. Make sure the camera >> hang our lot is um has subst really really quick. I'm so sorry. Don't mean to cut you off. Um, just really quickly, um, I do need to recuse myself from from voting on this this matter. U, my firm
represents Sherry in some estate planning matters unrelated to this, but just out of an abundance of caution, um, I I should be stepping back just just in case. >> Okay. Thank you. Um so um
long story short is uh we had a plan that was approved but when we went to have when we had an engineering plan for the driveway uh it was turned out to not be possible to do it. So, uh, we went
before the zoning board of appeals and we got a unanimous vote on all the articles, uh, and they approved the substandard lot, uh, to be used as the town, uh, for the the lot that the town will purchase, uh, for the parking for
Mount Vision and a connection to Mount Vision at the back of that lot. >> Wait a minute. We're doing the ANR first. >> Yeah. >> What are Okay. >> Well, no. Yeah. Yes. I guess it's an ANR because
>> Mog Land Trust is on North Road. That's the parking lot in the lot. >> Yes. Okay. You didn't go to the zoning board of appeals for that. You went Yes, you did. Yes, I did. You did. Okay. Yes. >> I've mixed up North Road and South Road. These properties are like Okay. >> Sorry to bring No, it's me at the same time. No big
>> deal. I'm confused, too. Okay. >> So, I brought the wrong I was bringing the previous ANR. Go ahead. >> Sorry. Go ahead. >> So, um I it went through it got signed um and certified by the clerk and it went through the 20-day or whatever
period. So, now it is okay to be signed off by the planning board and then we can file this and then we will present it once again at town meeting for another vote for the town to acquire this parcel instead of the other parcel
that we were going to do. Okay. We originally gonna do the other parcel because it was closer. Seemed to make sense but didn't work out. Okay. >> Yeah. We'll be we'll call you in as soon as No, that's okay. Yeah. If there's enough seats. We're running out of them.
Sorry. >> So, Sher, which remind me which parcel is it now that? >> So, now we are going to be doing the parcel um that is revised lot a AR-1. So it has um substandard frontage um but
it has enough acreage >> um and um >> uh about a quarter of an acre will be excluded from the conservation restriction and the rest of the land will uh be uh put in conservation restriction added to the Mount Vision
conservation restriction. >> Okay. >> Does anyone want to see it was approved by the zoning board of appeals? >> No. Okay. I don't >> It connects the lock. This is the connection in the back. >> Yeah. In the back different. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And the parking then is
>> the parking is going to be there's actually an existing driveway and it's a very easy uh place to put a parking lot in. Um >> off North Road. >> Off North Road. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, it's all going to work out much better now. Um but it took two years to
get to this point. >> Yeah. questions. >> No. >> Um we endorse the ANR for Minota Trust.
plans dated October 14th, 2025 with an add 7, 2026. >> Three. I'll take all three papers. You got the Oh, she gave me an extra. You want the one back? >> Sure. I'll take the purple one back and
then I need the >> You want sign one back? >> She can sign all of them if you want to sign one. >> I don't think it >> I take a side because the other guy that came didn't have a sign.
Remember that. Oh. Yep. Let me put those together. do it now. They'll get ruined. Okay. Thank you. All right. So um came before you approved uh the state
law and uh then um there uh this also >> um the conservation um commission has suggested or Bonnie suggested to me you
should um get a wetlands um inspection before you sell it because there's a perennial stream. I said, "Well, you know, the perennial stream is way behind where they're going to do it, but what the heck, I'll do it." And unfortunately, um, even though I had been hiking all
along and it was just dry pasture, turned out there was vegetated wetlands there. >> Oh, boy. >> So, um, that's where I'm sorry. >> Um, so that's where the driveway to the
lot was going to be. So, Sorry. So, they did determine uh that they didn't want us to put a driveway anywhere near the vegetated wetlands. So, um I have um worked with an attorney
in the greater Boston area who just does conservation restriction works with conservation type work. Um I have already applied for a conservation restriction amendment but uh the people of the state said it's a legal process.
They wanted a lawyer involved. So um that lawyer said that I better come to you because we're shifting what we're going to do with the conservation restriction is we're going to be shifting the building envelope. So uh with a
conservation restriction, you can't use any land that's under restriction to make up the lot. So, we have to have eight acres unrestricted. So, we're basically shifting where the eight acres are. Now, Dan O'Brien said, you know, that's ridiculous. You don't really have
to go before them because what the planning board is voting on is the dimensional requirements and you fulfill all that. Where the actual building is going to be is up to the conservation commission and the natural heritage, etc., etc. But in the interest of um
full disclosure um what I presented to you um uh where we're I don't know everybody can see it um but um
originally um this there was a conservation restriction on this and then there was a a conservation and then all of this was the eight acres and and so this was all there. So in order to get the driveway away from the wetlands,
um she suggested taking this out of the conservation restriction and substituting this part right here, which includes all of the perennial stream, you know, a much more valuable habitat. So this made a lot more sense. It still
leaves us with eight acres. Um, so again, um, she just said that I should go before you to make I don't have to reapply, um, or amend the existing permit. >> Yeah. I mean, once a conservation
restriction gets amended, then it gets filed at the registry of deed. So, it will get filed and will get attached to deed and then it goes into all the whole state registry. So, I I don't personally, but I'm not a lawyer or on
the planning board, um I didn't see that it changed anything in terms of um what you vote for when you vote in a state law um because it has, you know, the the frontage and and more than, you
know, the acreage requirement um etc, etc. meets all those standards. But anyhow, I just wanted full disclosure. Um, so that >> so it's a new eight acres. >> So yeah, so the eight acres within the
83 acre parcel just got shifted. >> Yeah. >> So part of it is the same, but part of it is just shifted. >> Okay. But um he said you know where you're putting your house is more the per is more the pervade of the
>> Hong Kong and other agencies. >> Is the existing 60 ft the same? >> Yes. Yes. None of that did not move at all? No. No. >> So none of the existing surveyed points changed on >> No. No. It's just within It's just within this. You
>> just changed it to the back. >> Yeah. So, just there's a dotted area that that um on these maps that um show the conservation restriction and the areas that are undotted don't have are are exempted from the CR, excluded from
the CR. So, we just shifted we just put the two acre pasture that was under conservation restriction in front and substituted um an equal acreage um in the back that um contains a perennial
stream and that allows him to put a driveway into the building area without going uh in the buffer zone of the vegetated wetlands. the really >> painful process
somehow all of my projects this year. So I think that since the front edge and the acreage aren't changes I don't know if we need to just put a copy of this on file with the original and the note with what we discussed and >> I did ask town administrator just
because I wanted to know for myself >> and he did said it's a planning board you decide whether or not he said but if if none of the boundaries if your 60t entrance did not change your acreage did not change um planning board doesn't
oversee conservation restriction land, >> right? >> So, it's the planning board's decision. I just wanted to find out >> we would have to use this as an addendum to the special permit and hasn't been
gone through through. I mean, this is this is this is the proposed uh plan and then if >> through the state, you still >> through the state. Yeah. So then it's a three-month process once it all gets submitted >> and then this one's filed at the register >> and then that one gets filed to the
register deeds and gets attached to the uh deed. >> So do we do we vote to accept the >> can you talk on general knowledge just not in the decision? >> Yeah, I'm not allowed to vote on anything but I I can still participate.
So um the only thing I would say is um I mean I don't personally not voting so it's not really relevant you know my opinion but I no issue I don't think we really care about where the conservation land is. >> I think from my standpoint the only concern would be making sure that you know obviously we won't know exactly
what the conservation land's going to look like until they approve the restriction. >> Yeah. Um, but my only concern would just be making sure that whatever plan we approve that gets filed just reflects the correct conservation land where it's located on the on the map just because people are going to be referring to that plan, right, in the future. So, we just
want to make sure that those are are accurate on the plan, but I >> So, could we ask for an updated plan when it gets approved and absolutely I think that >> Can we just get that dropped off then? >> Well, we can't condition we can't do a condition on the permit anymore, >> right? I I I right. I think that you
would we may I don't the conservation, you know, restriction to be approved >> continuence >> and then have her come back >> just at that point just to, you know, I I mean, I think you still have to just vote on the on the amended plan or approve the amended plan, but I think that would that would make sense and
then you don't have to worry about the condition because it's been satisfied already, >> right? >> Okay. So, I don't have to go through a whole public carrying amending the permit. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, thank you. >> All right. We're going to vote. You just said we should vote to accept the
amended plan, right? >> Well, I think we want to see what >> Oh, we're not gonna do it. >> So, tonight's just discussion. Just discussion. Okay. So, but it's okay to to go ahead and the estate plan still stands >> that doesn't Yeah.
>> Yeah. Just bring us the updated one and we'll do that. >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. >> I don't have to keep I don't know, but I'm going to screw up North and South Road. That's all I know because he put North Road on the 179
South Roads, Minichogs Land Trust address. And then it's North Road on the northerly side of the road. >> My address. >> Thank you, Gary. >> Bye. Take care. 73 right out there. You want to come in.
>> Hello. >> How are you? in your file. The letter from Yeah. Do you know? >> My son. >> I just knew he had a friend. That was your last name. So, I was wondering if >> Oh, yeah. My son. >> Yeah. Carl. >> Oh, yes.
That's that's a local. They were here before. But it's for a different reason. >> Such a beautiful school. >> Building is beautiful. >> This building >> from what I've seen of it.
>> Yeah. So far. >> Yeah. It's a town hall with a lot of lockers. Yeah. >> Have you picked your locker yet? >> But I see a >> Yeah, it was it wasn't in school. I have to say >> it's not that old either. >> No.
Not that. >> All right. >> Hello. >> Hi. >> Okay. Um so, um next week I'll be officially in business 30 years. Um and
>> you're Roxan. I'm Roxan. Yeah, I'm the owner of Little Garden and um I started in my home and child care and then um in 1996 uh I got incorporated in February of
1996 and in 1999 I opened up a center in the stock and shop plaza. I used to be um with a senior um program and so it was called synergy on the outside. We were
next door to learning center, but it was fatal learnings with an adult daycare because, you know, we're try back then it was like a new um idea uh to have a senior program, bless you,
with our early childhood program. And so we um had put synergy on the sign on the outside and we were there like six years. One of my parents uh worked at the um hospital
across the street from mass control and um you know she was like oh they would have you know they have an early learning program there. So I was there for 6 years. Um, you know, I had it was Kendrick Hospital, it was Vibra,
um, and I don't know what the last name was before they closed, but um, and then I bought a building on State Street in Springfield. Um, I have a special needs grandson and um, I my vet is a Henden
um, vet. So, I would drive by Mercury Swim Institute all the time and um I one day when I saw that the house was for sale, I was like, "Oh, you know." Um but
I I first thought I could do a swim school like it was originally. Um and now um because I can't the house is not really handicap accessible. Um, I really can't move in there with my I'm um I
have to leave my grandson. Um, he's a teenager and so it's right now it's not something I could move into that house. Um, but I would like to run um on the property.
That's what I would like to do. and knowing like when I used to be in the stop and chat plaza and I noticed also because um the uh town of the saw me um makes like the JCC a bus stop like they um bus
children there. So, I thought, you know, um why don't I just do a program for Hamden and for East Saw Meadow has schools that are close proximity to that location and they would also make it a bus stop. Um I'm not completely sure if
Hampton would. I didn't know that this school wasn't a functioning school anymore. Um, so I don't know if um they would it's located in Moverham now the elementary school or >> we still
okay so you know I would um give priority to the handed children um but would you know uh open it up to the eon metal schools. So just those four schools um for that property
is what I would like to do. Um, so as far as traffic, um, you know, who knows? Maybe because when I did drop off the intent letter, they said that they they wasn't need um, in the area. And so, um,
you know, who knows? Maybe it would all be from one school, but I don't think it would affect the traffic too much. I mean, we are diagonal from the police station. There's businesses on either end. down street is pretty in general. Um but the parking lot
>> is big enough for parents to drop off and pick up and then other than that it would be a um a town bus stop. So um it would just be for Camden and >> how many children could you accommodate?
Um so the capacity would be 20 um is you know what we're looking at. So um the first step would be approval from you guys um you know like I laid out and then before I go to EEC for the
licensing process I wanted to make sure I approach first. you know, we would fence totally enclose um the fencing of the property for safety of the children. And we are very uh neighbor considerate because um my
property in Springfield um you know, we put uh it's an acre of land and we put up um you know, netting so that balls couldn't go into the neighbors yards that were abunding the property. So, we' be respectful of the neighbors abunding
the property. and it would only be, you know, Monday through Friday. But um but it would be small and quaint. Um cuz you know 20 is small and quaint considering school children.
>> Yeah. So >> yeah. It's like it needs a special permit. >> You can certainly child care. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Because we be we would be doing like um you know we'd be doing like breakfast and a few snacks. So, and then we would be um open on off, you know, vacation days. Um, so we would also need a house
department. >> Yeah. >> Food service. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I'm hoping if you guys approve it that like, you know, we could get in early enough to that by the fall, but
the schools need to >> was that building a residence I've never been in there with the pool attached. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it was a swim school. I mean, >> honestly, that couple was really innovative for their time because he did photography and custom frames.
>> Yeah. >> So, they both work out of their homes. It's It's really amazing. Um I think >> interesting house. >> Yeah. >> Renovate for 20 children or you can just do what you want to do within the >> No, like yeah, the square footage for
EC's perspective would be for the capacity of 20. Um and then you know so like I so I I have experience uh you know we'd have an area for homework and then an area for the kids to do activities and things like that and then
like I said we would enclose um you know for safety reasons and um you know respective of the neighbors like there's a cleared out area um you know for them to play outside when weather permitted and there's plenty of parking um for that many students as well but the
inside um square footage is enough for 20. >> Yeah. And you know, we would have um two staff. So, normally the ratio for EEC is 1 to 13, but um the square footage of
the areas that we'd be using inside um would be 20. So, we would have two for 20. So, that those are even better ratios um for the children that would be there. They go to the building inspector first. >> I thought No, I thought I'd start with
you guys first. Um, >> you know, so I thought >> you can start here, you can start there. Either way is >> okay. >> Um, so >> Oh, please go. I'm a little lost. And so it looks to me, I mean, you guys may not agree, it looks to me like this is a childcare center under our current
zoning bylaws, >> um, which are, you know, allowed by special review, um, or Cycl approval, I should say. Um, objections to seeing that application. I don't know about the rest of you if you have specific concerns. I I don't I mean, it looks like there's plenty of
parking there, so that's not a huge concern for me at this point. Um, you know, I think that when you do come back with an actual application, um, I would just be interested to, um, you know, just see what the the proposed plan is
with respect to the drop off pickup and the busing that you were talking about. I'm just interested to see how that's actually all going to work and curious about that. >> Um, but I definitely recommend speaking with the, you know, inspection services, building department. they will, you know, have more specific details about
things you may need from their end of things, which is probably going to be more stringent than things we may need possibly, >> right? Like you said, the handicap. >> Yeah. Like, you know, those are things that are out, you know, we we can review an application, but ultimately it's still going to be subject to whatever, you know, whatever they say as far as
what has to be in the building. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I think uh doing just because I've been doing this for 30 years, I think doing handicap accessibility for, you know, um because my thing is
having a child um like I take them very seriously like until I had my grandson um who's in a wheelchair, you know, I feel like I feel like they could even be improved um handicap regulations. Um, so I I'm someone that
is is totally for that. Um, so but but to live in there just because of the way the house is set up, >> there's one like the the bedroom on the first floor I would make an office, but the other three bedrooms are on the second floor. >> Um, you know, they definitely did
creative um additions onto the the house. Um, and it's just to live there with him with my grandson, it just wouldn't be possible. Um, and you know it would be a dream cuz you know he the saltwater pool is great for him but for
us to physically live there is just not doable. But to do a program like make modifications for a program >> is do just like you know I couldn't be on a se I can't be on a separate floor from him. He's non-verbal.
>> It's just wouldn't be safe for living um conditions. But um you know, I just wanted to see how the planning board felt about it first before I took the other measures that I know I have to do. Um because I don't want to start that
process that you guys don't >> I always appreciate it anytime somebody comes into to talk with us before they submit. >> Well, I learned I learned I learned what I learned in school. So that's why I'm like, you know what? me. Let me see how right let me see how you guys feel first
about this and then before the you know the building the the and because they also look to see what you guys want too and so um I figured you know let me see how you guys feel about it first before I >> is the plan to to use the pool as part
of the child care center or is it going to be you know separated from not part and and the only reason I'm asking is if it is going to be part of Mhm. >> Then I'm going to, you know, I personally going to want to know more about that, like how you're going to keep the kids safe or what the parameters are for using the pool, those sorts of things.
>> Um, no, I'm just looking for the school age program. Um the reason why um I you know I really looked into doing a like I wanted to do a swim school like the Mercury Swim Institute >> but um you know like I have
>> lifeguards and stuff but I you know don't have >> swim instructors. Got it. So um it would totally and and safety is very important to me. So you know >> they wouldn't have like free access to the pool area. we would be in the house.
Um and so like you know depending on what the building department um thinks is the best option for the handicap accessibility in and out um like you know it would be secured. There is you know there is a lock to the pool area. >> So
>> great. >> Yeah. >> That motion alarm is great. You just throw it in the water and if it notices any vibrations starting just screams >> and it will not stop. It's so loud. >> Oh man, >> it never even heard that before.
>> The only time ours went off last summer was when they were dropping really big trees around the power lines. >> It just shook the pool. >> The ground shook so hard that the water >> and it it was the first and only time I've ever heard it. I was very didn't
react nearly as fast as I should have. I was like, "What's that?" >> So, a motion alarm is something that it's like vibration towards the water. >> You just put it in the water. It's a float. >> You tie it. It's got like a sticky thing and you have a string that's tied to it.
So, it can't, you know, it doesn't circle the boat. Kind of stays in one spot and just floats. >> It is loud. >> Scared the Jesus out of the house. Remember back in 1986 when they had that
nuclear thing going off and used to make us go underneath the desk like this like the desk was going to protect us. >> That's what >> security theater makes you feel better. >> Last time you proposed the swimming, you gave us a whole uh business plan.
>> I did all that. >> So you will attach that all with the special permit and all a full. >> Yep. like this is something I really love like um I had consulted no I had consulting for that and everything um
but like this this I know I know this isn't enough and um so thank you guys questions >> I'll just go have conversations with all the other >> people feel it out I mean we're going to
ask no matter what from feedback from all the departments but maybe to your best interest to be worth >> talking to them too talk to them before >> oh yeah we're going to talk your question it's always great when people come in with their application they already have you know >> comments or answers from all the other
departments saying they're fine with this like this >> okay well I just from my past experience I thought well if it was something that was not really wanted allowed >> you did it the right way this is this is yeah coming in formally to speak with us about these things is
>> so um yeah then we'll definitely Star, >> you'll need the food managers, not the food handlers because we only cook once a month at the BFW and we have to get the food. >> We even know about serve safe. So, >> but you need to serve safe manager.
>> Oh, okay. >> And you have to have somebody there at all times. Say you're not there. You have the manager. Someone with serve safe has to have has to be there. >> Yes, I do know that. Yes. >> Yeah. Even just just serving the snacks. I I I know that. Yeah. neighbor to the
left used to do this pretty much the exact same thing. Yeah, I went there for daycare before and after school care. >> Yeah. All right. Nice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Funny. Literally right next door. >> And yeah, we did the same thing. Bus stop picked us up. So
>> Oh, really? >> All right. Thank you very much for hearing us. Okay. >> All right. You too. Nice seeing you, too. Hopefully see you again. >> Yep. >> All right. Thank you. Good night. >> Bye. Bye. Have a great evening. >> You too. Take care.
>> I think four and five didn't show up. Four was walking around outside. I thought >> Santine. >> There was a guy walking around. >> You know him? >> No. >> Came out there leaning down. >> I don't know. He was milling about around here for a while. So, >> I don't know who I don't know.
>> Me either. I don't know if it was him. I just saw somebody milling about maybe I called him and asked him to confirm because I posted this Thursday because of the storm. So, I included four and five, but wasn't sure they were gonna give me their applications or show up. >> Tori, I don't know. >> You don't have an application? I call it
a night. >> He was on the phone. >> I don't think so. I don't think he's >> I can do the minutes. And I had one other item I wanted to talk about at the end of all this. >> So you made a motion.
>> Yes. I make a motion that we approve the minutes. I'll second that. >> Thank you. >> This two Daves is throwing me off. >> Dave D. >> I know. not allowed to both make the motion and second. >> No,
we determined that we take turns. >> Oh, she's like Dave made the motion. Dave, >> which one? I don't think it's going to matter. >> You're sitting at the corner of the table. >> Right. >> Before you go, I have one quick thing. I
know you got to get out of here. Report. annual report for 25. I did we had four public hearings. I'm I'm gonna give you the draft of this, but I'm talking about the article 31 ADU and bees. Yep. Sent to the attorney general. They asked for another 60-day on top of the 90-day
approval. So now we won't get the decision from them till February 8th. I'm putting that in the annual report. >> Pat Coin and Christina as Ridgeline Hillside Committee. Christina CPC, Pat is PVC. Um master plan. I got a little excerpt
on the master plan that it was completed and who's on the committee completed within time frame and budget. And then John Matthews, John Matthews, John Matthews took Heather's remainder till till May of um this year and he decided
not to run. Right. And then we got Dave ran and took the balance of Heather's. >> That was fresh. That was fresh. No, >> no. He takes the balance of Heather's term, which is four years. Are you down to four or three? >> Okay. I can't remember. 23 to 24. I'll
figure that out. I'll get that. Those are >> I'm down to two. >> Anything else you want to you can think of? I got to put in this. >> Not anybody. Nothing. Okay. Then this I'll just send you the draft before I get Okay. >> 30 seconds.
>> 30. Okay. Um, so I had one more thing I kind of wanted to just bring up and this is mostly like a highle conversation discussion. Um, essentially so and there's a lot going on in the world right now. Um, a lot of crazy things happening right now. Um, and one of the things I've been thinking about is
essentially just thinking about how we as a town could potentially take a look at our zoning bylaws just collectively. um and maybe consider potential things that we can do that maybe will benefit the town as a whole and just promote public safety in general. I mean, part
of my concern is I I think that when federal boots are on the ground in in neighborhoods, they don't really care what political affiliation people have. >> Um so, I think it might make sense taking just a look at our bylaws, considering some things that are, you know, open to us as far as, you know, tools and maybe proposing warrant
articles for the town to consider. Um so you know for instance you know there's you can do restricting private portions of municipal buildings or requiring licenses for staging areas in town of public facilities. Um you know these are all things that we potentially could do.
My idea is literally just let's look at the zoning bylaws. Um I have some proposals of things that we can consider. Um, but I think it may make sense to at least have a small committee or something along those lines to maybe discuss some of these things and propose some more articles for people to to consider.
>> You should talk to the superintendent. >> Okay. >> I just heard a comment something along the lines. >> And and like I said, this the goal here is not to single anybody out or anything. It's literally just to make sure that the town has neutral, defensible rules that are in place that
apply to everybody, no matter who's responding. Um, and making sure that the town still has the ability to to make decisions and act no matter who's who's here operating. >> I like it. >> Yeah. >> Keep as much power in the town as we possibly can.
>> Yeah. >> Accidentally un from the super. >> You don't want me to put that within our minutes, right? That was a side conversation under this action. There's some new thing on my Gmail where you can
like unsubscribe and I was like, "Oh, I don't know what that email is." So, I unsubscribed and I was like, "You've unsubscribed for Camden Wilham Schools." And I was like, >> "Oh >> they did give us a draft." Yes. >> Oh, yeah. >> Just to have it. >> Very much a draft. This is not the
approved version. It's just something we can work with. I've got a word document we can mess with. Oh, yeah. Get me back. >> We have a draft for the short-term rental. We have a draft for rental. >> I'm gonna read this really good.
>> So, >> GPT, what does this say? >> No, I'm actually gonna read it. >> Synthesize this. >> All right. >> I use, >> you know, I'll just mention one other thing. When I went to the budget meeting, the uh John Flynn, I read your
statement. I've just read your email and then uh John had asked me a couple questions. One one was about this the short-term rental and I just wasn't prepared to, you know, I didn't have anything in front of me. I wasn't thinking about it. And then he also asked me about Kibby Lane. So in each
instance, I said I'm just not really, you know, I said I'm I'm not aware of anything changing there. So, but Kibby I, you know, we're good on the short-term rental thing, of course, but but like Kibby Lane and like Joan and I talked about it >> completely out of our hands.
>> That's what I said. >> Yeah, he's got a buyer from what I understand, but >> he's had a buyer for he has a new fire following Tom Betta or we're talking about the last fire was Tom Betta. >> He's still interested. Yeah. Does the town plow Kibby Lane
>> at a courtesy? >> Oh, he wants the town to bike >> at a curt. They're just doing make it a He wants the town to take the road. >> People there would say we need this town. We need fix to get it approved. You know what I mean? That would drive the locals to say >> isn't part of the issue that they can't
really do anything to make that road compliant. Wasn't that the issue? Like >> about a matter of the guy having money >> because it was the grade of the slope that was the issue, right? >> No. problem with getting >> it was getting the things the drains cleaned out and putting in a um
>> water >> a water thing in the back. >> But that wasn't what was holding it up. I think what's holding it up is >> somebody's holding >> the papers on some of the lots from what I understand. >> Yeah. >> I think you got title issues.
>> Yeah. I think that's the issue. Yes. straight up zero control on the title will not >> I part of me thinks that if we know that there are title issues can we even approve a plan you know >> that's why we told >> we even vote on a plan >> in order for him to spend that money he
wants to sell the lots but he doesn't have they don't want to sell the lot you know what I mean I think it's a chain reaction it's bizarre so out of our hands >> like he had to borrow money to do that and if he can get some of his money back that he that we were holding.
>> I'm sure he'd like to take the road. >> Sure. Yeah. But >> that's crazy. >> Why would everyone's hands are tied? >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Motion to >> second that. >> I I
>> I cannot be on the 11th. >> First time in five years I haven't been able to make. >> Yes, please. I can't make >> I remember you saying >> make sure that backs up, you know, >> it will go on the
>> fever drink. still why don't we see what