um okay all right so this is public hearing 2025a February 26 2025 introduction of the planning board members Madison Pixley chair Christen bror Pat David deers John Matthews andan poror planning coordinator our statement of authority the planning board is
established under chapter 48 of the general laws of Massachusetts and next in compliance with chapter 48 under the zoning bylaws of the town of hampon chapter 41 governing the submission and approval of plots of subdivisions and the rules and regul ations governing the subdivision of land and
hamon Massachusetts our legal notice the hamon planning board will hold a public hearing on Wednesday February 26 2025 at 6:30 p.m. in the townhouse 625 Main Street hamon Mass on the application of hamon Veterinary Clinic realy LLC 28 Summers Road for a special permit with
state plan approval under Section 6 abuse regulation 4.26 for the expansion of the existing parking lot located at 28 Summers Road within the business district properties are currently owned by Veterinary Clinic realy LLC Dr Penny PE 28 Summers Road
partiel 1238 0000 and 16 Summers Road LLC 16 Summers Road parcel 123900 information related to this application is on file in the town clerk's office and is available for review by the public during normal
business hours for the board chair of the hand planing board publication publication in the wilham Camden times February 6th and 13 202 our reports received from other Town departments uh the town clerk reported the taxes are paid up to date building
inspector reported 5% handicap parking required if there are 20 spaces one would be accessible or 5% the Board of Health reported no issues with septic or well police chief has no concerns guys want to come and present
thank you can you it push that table okay somebody oh good evening for the record my name is Rebecca Arc Associates located at 40
School Street in Westfield Massachusetts I'm accompanied tonight by the applicant Dr peek as well as her legal council can you please attorney n Kain thank you um we're here tonight to uh present the proposed parking lot expansion at the
existing um hand Veterinary foot and I'll just go through the site plans and show you the proposed site improvements so um the property is located at 28 Summers Road um it's
located near the intersection of Meadow Brook and Summers Road um exting facility is indicated right here where there are currently um 11 parking spaces
I believe which is under parked per the zoning regulations for the intended use we're proposing to extend or expand the existing parking lot and add a parking area to the north of the existing
building um the parking lot will be equipped with some light poles um for visibility um as well as a new storm water management system towards the rear of the property to mitigate any runoff
from that new parking lot area um which will also meet the Massachusetts storm water um stands so all in all um the new parking lot will add 20 additional spaces so for
the zoning ordinance business B um 29 parking spaces are required and the with the addition of the new parking lot 38 spaces will be provided so we will meet those or exceed those um
those requirements with the improvements there will also be a secondary curb cut off of summers's Road um and access between um the two the two Parcels I know that that was discussed a little bit and we can
talk about that further um as we go along um as far as traffic circulation it just makes for you know better traffic circulation um especially with emergency vehicles they can you know swing through there um
so yeah we can we can discuss that later on or now if word wish one thing we were thinking that it was more convenient because if people drive in like they GNA initially possibly Drive in the main entrance and then these spots are full instead of having to turn around risk of
an accident come back out they can just go through and go into the new parking lot right so it just makes more logical sense right and then as far as grading and drainage goes so the site the the site
to be improved is graded towards a low Point um in this Western corner of the parking lot which a a catch Basin that's a hybrid water quality unit will reside and will convey the runoff towards that
infiltration Basin um at the rear of the property the infiltration Basin has been oversized um and it is uh it does have like a 4 foot fence to protect from pedestrians getting back
there excuse me when when you say oversized does that mean it's oversized by 10% or 20% um I believe there's a roughly one foot of free board so during the 100-year storm there still be like a foot to from where the water level is to
the top of the basin and then as far as the Landscaping plan goes we're proposing to add four red maple trees around the premises of the the new lot as well as putting a planting sofware with Arbor along um the
northern side of that new parking lot and this is just the lighting plan obviously it's too hard to see this far away but um if you look at your uh 11 by 17 copies you'll see that there's no light SP that spills across uh the
property line the proposed property line um we dis some peer review comments um I have a copy of that does the board wish for me to go through them and kind of explain what we've done to address those
comments great all right so comment number one section 7541 subsection C states that driveways at its intersection with the street must provide a leveling of area with a slope
no greater than 1% the first 20 feet it appears that the slope is greater than 1% the applicant should revise accordingly so we made that adjustment we also provided an enlarged
plan with kind of micro spot grades to indicate um a slope that does not exceed 1% the question I have is how does that impact the parking lot um if you will to the South the existing parking lot as
you're coming from that we've got it looks like a 253 grade and you're going down to a 251 approximately 250 251 yeah so you're going from yeah the grade is Right
roughly right where that transition from the old parking lot to the new parking lot so there'll be like a 3% a three three foot drop yeah so from 253 to 251 is here so two foot twoot yeah it's it's right
around between like four and 5% in that area okay all right second comment section 7. 72.1 subsection B states that two driveways may be permitted as part of the C approval process which shall be clearly
marked entrance and exit we defer to the planning board to determine if the two proposed access driveways onto Summers road is in conformance with the intent of the bylaw and if additional signage is required so I do have a question
there basically uh I think Maddie said there was no questions from the police department nor fire either right yes so the question I have is um what what
would this board p p uh would want to prefer to have an entrance or an exit um considering that the intersection to the South where Main Street and Summers Road
come in it's a busy area are you looking to maybe bring people in to the existing parking lot for the entrance yes the entrance would be the existing parking lot and then the exit if you required it to be separated the entrance would be
the existing the exit would be the new parking lot that's what I if I could I'd like to see something to that effect okay so one way circulation yeah or well not so much one way but um
because coming into the new parking lot for handicapped access you know I'm looking at you could come in that way and go into the existing parking lot so that my primary entrance is going to be
the existing parking lot but if it could be labeled y that would be just entrance and then the other one would be maybe entrance or a exit entrance there okay so this one would be entrance only and
this one would be entrance exit okay I don't know how the rest of the board feels about that there's no strong opinions huh no I'm trying to entrance exit you know seems a little on front of the building
yeah right near the entrance so this go to the handicap spots are right there y the near the entrance right so I think that you have the entrance like you said and have the other one just be an exit Okay because people are going to pull in if there's no spots to go to the new parking lot and then they leave having
cars trying to get a closer spot right that would be my yeah I would agree okay yeah all right we can make that adjust I'm sure everyone will read the signs and follow the directions sure prob some will some
will some won't yeah we can add like do not enter signs where the exit is and vice versa to help exit only to help yeah exactly to help um the traffic flow you know if somebody's parking and they're trying to get out yeah I'm I'm open to that like you said I'm concerned
about traffic but there isn't the the chief had no problem in again how many people are coming and going it's just the uh entrances that you know you serve if you will on that corner you know
there's the bagel Nook and then there's uh green insurance so and they and I'm sure they're using that yes yes all right okay no problem okay all
right next comment here so section 7 72 Point C subsection C recommends wheel guards be installed in certain instances we recommend applicant review the walkway design adjacent to the parking area and determine if wheel guard should be installed to prevent overhang onto
the proposed sidewalk so you'll see in your revised plan set that we did add the wheel stops to the spaces that above the sidewalk the sidewalk is only 5et so it makes sense not to you know to
prevent the cars from overhanging the sidewalks uh next comment here section s 7. 72.2 subsection e and 7.2.2 subsection F specific Landscaping
requirements for commercial development it appears that proposed parking area does not meet these requirements such as vegetative screening height and quantity of shade trees the applicant should review and revise as necessary our response is the plan has been updated
based on Landscaping requirements to the extent practicable adding landscaped Islands inside the perimeter parking area would result in an increase of impervious area to keep the same number of parking spaces so as I mentioned on
the Landscaping plan um have providing uh Landscaping kind of on the ends of the parking areas if we were to do an intermediate Island it would just have to bump it you know the parking lot further to the West increasing
impervious area um yeah and we're going to have like the nice mulch out front it's all going to look contiguous it'll be the nice mulch area out front and yeah I'm not too concerned yeah it's gonna look nice the only my only thing about the arbores
that's gonna on the along the side that's going to be in discussion with whoever else is purchasing the other part of the property which is apparently going to help is probably going to happen quite soon after we purchase ours so we want to have a good neighbor we
want to be in you know so that that may not happen depending on what the neighbor wants to say there will be some sort of a vegetative buffer though I guess the species might differ because that's part of the the there half to
be if like say somebody wanted to come and make a contiguous parking out there whoever buys it oh or is that opening up a can of worms right now yeah um good question um we can cross that
bridge and we come to it yeah let's let's my feeling is um let's leave that okay and just say that if we're there by ourselves we'll put those Arbor
optional okay um and once the a butter we can come to an agreement how's that sure that sounds sound yeah okay to the board and amend the permit yeah we can amend it you know to yeah why don't we do that yeah if it
looks like we're going to be there by ourselves for a while we'll put them in yeah I mean yes I understand and again let's see what the but's going to do and uh and hopefully we won't need it it'll be a nice nice little area thank you
next comment section 7.8 states that there shall be no removal from the premises in any District of Earth LOM s gravel clay or quarry stone the applicant shall clarify if material will be removed from the project site if material will be removed from the project site the applicant may be
required to obtain a permit for removing the material through the local building inspector response to that is all Earth removal proposed is incidental to the proposed site construction a permit for the Earth removal can be secured if necessary comment number six section
10.51 subsection 4 states that a single sheet Locust plan at a scale of one inch equals 100 feet showing the location and owners names of all adjacent properties and those within 300 feet of the property line and all zoning District
boundaries the applicant has provided a Locus plan that does not meet all these requirements and should be revised accordingly so plan figure we added to our response that's that packet that you got um it shows a locust plan within 300
feet our plans do show the abing neighbors but it doesn't extend out to the 300 feet so we've provided that in those materials um comment number seven section 10.51 subsection 10 wires waste
meod to be shown the applicant should add the existing waste disposal methods to the pl our response that the waste disposal methods are existing within the veterinary Hospital's property C C4 within
the sorry but in the street plan set has been revised to show the appropriate Refuge location so ex location is kind of to the Southwest of the existing building and that's intended to stay the
same page comment 8 section 10.51 subsection 15 states that plans for clearing stock piling or removal of top soil on the site including whether such top soil is to be permanently removed from the site the applicant shall show a
top soil stock pile location on the site plans and clarify if any top soil will be removed from the site so we've added a stockpile a temporary stockpile location as well as putting erosion control measures around um that
location comment number nine section 10.61 subsection two states that the plan shall describe estimated daily and peak hour vehicle trips to be generated by the site while the proposed project does not appear to include an expansion
of the existing Ms the planning board should determine if estimated daily and peak hour vehicle trip should be provided a response to that is correct the use is not being expanded a trip generation analysis should not be necessary and I I agree with that okay
great thank you um so this is for the storm water management review did you want me to go through these as well for sure perfect okay um so bear with me here uh the following comments pertain to the Project's compliance with the
town hon General bylaw chapter XIV the Massachusetts storm water handbook and storm water standards um comment 10 chapter um uh 14 section six subsection one of
the town of hampen General bylaw requires us storm water management systems on new development shall be designed to meet an annual average pollutant removal equivalent to 90% of the average annual load of total suspended solids related to the total
post construction impervious area on the site and 60% of the average annual load of total phosphorus related to the total post construction impervious surface area on site it appears the storm water management system doesn't meet the requirement for the 60% total phosphorus
removal the applicant should clarify how the project site will meet this requirement so additional calculations were added to the storm water report there's no changes in the um storm water management system we just demonstrated how the the system met those standards
so what this is in the ms4 area um so it's governed by uh fed and statec right so what is the standard for TSS removal
so for TSS removal the Massachusetts storm water handbook just requires a total of 80% 80% correct and this is in this does in excess it exceeds we have the water quality unit and then we also have the infiltration Basin y so you'll
see in appendix E I believe which would be in the storm warm water report all of those calculations are provided y okay you want it no I I'm I'm going to trust that uh the love that group did their due
diligence and that uh I think that the they used um a system out of New Jersey yeah so it's actually conservatively evaluated New Jersey did a series of testing on the proprietary water um
sedimentation unit and determined that you can take credit for 50% of sediment removal so we use that value versus the 80% that the manufacturer provides so let me ask ask
you the flow the sheet flow because I my eyes are pretty bad sheet flow in the new area is it is it heading back towards that one drain in the back yeah we've actually and it's probably really
difficult to see an 11 by 17 but there's um a gutter line indicated um which indicates the direction of flow and it goes right towards the um that's in that Western okay side there
so the intent is from where you see the grade breaks in between the existing parking lot and the new parking lot as well as the grve break right near the property line all of this impervious area is tributary towards that catch
Basin okay because it's yeah I see it's 252 basically yeah and the rim is 21.0 right and back where your emergency overflow is 2506 right right so if it were to fill
up it wouldn't surcharge the catch Basin it would overflow off to the side off to the side which is where it's currently going okay so you don't anticipate any water flowing out onto that's correct that that emergency
wear is just you know is surpasses a 100-year storm okay y okay next comment so chapter 14 section six subduction one of the town of hamen General bylaw requires that all projects
comply with Massachusetts storm water management standards um standard one this standard is met no new storm water conveyances are proposed to convey untreated storm water directly to or cause erosion in Wetlands or Waters of the Commonwealth noted standard two this
standard is met the post-development Peak District rates are less than the pre-development peak discharge rates noted standard three the standard is met the proposed infiltration Basin provides the required volume for the proposed impervious area
noted this standard is met the proposed storm water management system removes the required total suspended solids for pre-treatment and treatment of the storm water runoff refer to comment 10 for additional requirements relative to storm water quality noted standard five
thect is not considered a land use with higher potential pollutant loads LEL um therefore the standard is not applicable noted there are no critical areas within the project area therefore the standard
is not applicable this is standard six standard seven the project is not considered a Redevelopment therefore the standard is not applicable noted standard eight the standard is met as the proposed project will disturb one
acre of land or more the applicant must obtain coverage under the npdes Construction general permit issued by EPA and prepared by a storm water pollution um plan prior to construction response to that is noted a storm water
pollution prevention plan will be prepared prior to construction as needed standard nine this standard is not met standard nine required that a long-term operation and maintenance onm plan shall be developed included in the onm plan
shall be a plan that is drawn to scale and shows the location all storm water bmps in each treatment train along with the discharge point the applicant shall revise the onm plan to include the required figure our response to that is
please see a revised appendix G included with the revised storm water drainage report so we did have the plan there the only thing that was missing was that figure just demonstrating where the different points were um for that I have a question because I
did not read the onm um but the onm should have um a maintenance schedule for cleaning of the absolutely so it has a table that tells you when all of the different um storm water management features should be inspected and then
also when they should be maintained okay and where do those inspection reports going to go so the there is a checklist in there it's like a template checklist um for you know whoever the the owner contracts to to perform that service to
fill out and keep on record and it would be on record and does it go to the town it's not required to but that could you think it should yes well we definitely could do it I'm not sure who does that type of
inspection but we'll find out and we can definitely find we can definitely give it to you yeah you're going to have to have because it's in the ms4 okay yeah eventually they're going to require the state whatever is going to require all these retention basins to be
managed sure so what what I'm saying is to get ahead of the ball here if you will let's let's get this in the plan and then it's submitted to the town okay if there's a discrepancy or a problem
when I say the town we have a uh storm water agent okay right and it happens to be the building inspector right now okay okay would go to the building he can just file it also okay that way we have a record you can have a record and if
you ever sell or whatever you're new those records would go with them you know and just how many times how many times a year does that well that's what the question I think it's usually once a year oh usually we see once a year because you want you know know you're going to come in you
may sand that dve that parking of course and that sand is going to wash into that so you want to make sure it's clear yeah yeah okay rather than have it washed down into your detention retention absolutely very expensive yeah all right okay and
there's also probably going to be a mowing plan or some type of you know tree removal or whatever all in the Y I haven't read it yeah that's why I'm just yeah absolutely it's a good point it's valid point okay yep thank you sure um
so standard 10 the standard is not met standard 10 requires an elicit discharge compliance statement to be submitted as part of the storm water report the elicit discharge statement has been included but should be signed uh our response is assigned elit discharge statement is attached to this
response um following comments pertain to the mass D checklist for storm water report a page four the boxes check that States run off from all impervious areas of the site discharg to the infiltration BMP under standard three this is not
correct in the Box States runoff from all areas at the site is not discharging so the infiltration BMP should be checked instead um our response is Page four has been updated I think that was a little gray
because it we were considering all the perious is going towards the Basin but um no worries page six the npdes multi- sector General permit does not cover the land box should be checked under
standard five responses page six has been updated okay chapter 14 section three subsection or I'm sorry section six subsection 3 of the town of Hampton general bylaw requires that infiltration systems shall be a minimum of 100 ft
from any drinking water supply well the applicant should verify that the prop infiltration Basin is a minimum of 100 ft from any drinking water supply well a response is AB buding Well locations have been located based on Board of Health record plans and are all over 100
feet from the proposed Basin uh I think we showed up this here so we added this buffer like this setback 100 foot U well set back to sheet C6 um as well as the little
of the existing Wells um so we did verify that um the next comment the TSS removal from the subsurface infiltration Basin that was included in the storm water drainage report states that the
Barracuda water quality unit provides 80% TSS removal the letter from state of New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection certified the water quality unit for 50% TSS removal which which was included with a report the applicant
should verify if using 80% TSS removal is allow allowable based on the CT certification letter we just bumped it down to 50% to be conservative um so the TSS removal form has been updated to show 50% TSS removal based on the New
Jersey certification letter next comment it appears there are incorrect units and calculation errors on the sediment for Bas sizing infiltration based and sheet that was included in the storm water drainage report the applicant should review and revise as necessary responses
the sediment 4 Bas sizing calculation has been updated to show the currect units next comment is in regards to site plans um the following comments pertain to the site plans 16 the applicant should show the water source for the
existing building on the plans indicated here I think it's labeled on stre 4 in that little island off the south of the parking area suit
building uh comment 17 Note 7 under the construction sequence on sheet C3 Des installing utilities such as a water service Sewer Service Gas Service electrical service and storm water management system it appears the only utilities that will be in installed in
the storm is the storm water management system and therefore the applicant should revise this note accordingly our C3 has been revised construction sequence schedule so that note was just here so
install utilities are shown on plans including the storm water management system is the sorry the lighting is that getting fed from the building say that again the light the new light pools are those those are going to be fed from the existing yeah the existing
service um the plan show a proposed chain link fence with access gate we recommend the applicant show a wider access gate to allow for construction equipment to access the infiltration Basin for future maintenance our response since the gate has been revised
to allow for vehicular access um the applicant should show additional spot grades for the accessible parking spaces and walkway ramps on sheet C5 to ensure they will meet ADA requirements and that was done
I believe I brought it up earlier where we have this enlarged plan here and having um included spot grades at the Ada um area to ensure that it does not exceed the 2% um next comment here the applicant
should provide specification sheets for all the proposed lighting fixtures our response to the lighting specification sheets are attached to this response letter and you have those we didn't print them for no I printed one copy of it okay perfect of the lights do you
want okay and they're all dark sky compliant um 21 comment 21 the rip wrap pad for the pipe Outlet into the sediment forb should be designed and the length and width should be labeled on the plans
please see sheet C6 for updated RI W had di mentions and that was added up in here so 10 ft by five uh comment number 22 erosion control mat is shown for infiltration based in emerence the Overflow the
applicant should verify that this will be adequate erosion protection for large storm events our response is the emergency overflow of the Basin is nearly at grade we feel the erosion control is adequate as proposed and additionally it's not expected to be
used only surpassing 100 years storm which hopefully won't happen so we're we were good with that um comment 23 note one under the infiltration Basin notes on sheet D2 state that the bottom of the infiltration Basin shall be a minimum of
2 feet above the Meed seasonal High groundwater um the applicant should revise this to 3 feet to be in ordance with the town of hamen General bylaw so the Basin was designed with the three feet in mind it was just a typo so this
had always said three feet the tyo is in the note section so that was revised say three yeah okay now that everybody's sleeping I think I'm I think I'm done going through the comments and would be more
than happy to talk about anything else we'd like to discuss um the fence around yes so there is four foot chain link fence being proposed around
infil with an access gate kind of towards the middle it's on she it's on all the sheets really but I'm looking at C6 in particular the the fence is called out I believe on sheet C4
yeah and again that's more just for pedestrian safety because it is deeper than 3 feet right I guess I'll say somethinge um I think everything is fine
but I'm disappointed okay um disappointed and maybe I didn't make myself clear enough that the parking should be it it's it is on the side but it needs to be behind I believe the
front of the structure um we've got I'm going to say maybe two parking spaces in front of the existing structure now maybe I'm reading this wrong the
parking area shall be located to the side or rear of the structure no parking shall be permitted within the required front setback of the structure now we had talked about this I think the front set and and I could be wrong the
front structure is at 55 feet maybe I don't know I think that sounds familiar I don't you know and again this is going back my memory is not as good as it nor will it ever be but I I I did make that
a point um and I'm wondering why they didn't want to adhere to that I remember you saying this and apologies miscommunication I personally did not do the revision so it
was just miscommunication and we'll be sure to incorporate that change I is that a problem no no let's go back a little further I appr put it back a little further yeah it's just going to put it back a little further but um it it's the only thing it's going
to you're going to have a little bit more impervious surface on the way coming in but I'm not I don't think it would make a difference for the calculations and I do apologize now that you're saying that I I do remember that and that's my that was my biggest thing
because I wanted you to come here and not to zba right okay I think have a better shot here absolutely of getting approved we'll make that change you will and we we formally request a continuance as you know respect for the peer reviewer to be able to you know back
check comment incorporation to make sure that they're satisfied and we'll certainly reach out to make sure if they want to have a conversation about any of our responses that we'll make ourselves available um and then in the meantime we will make that change so that we can revise that for the next meeting yeah
absolutely that would I I appreciate absolutely and I'm not asking for any other changes Noe that's totally understood I think you've done an excellent job you know um you know with the trees I'm looking at you you're yes you're fine okay yeah
great thank you I want to move this forward we do too yeah so when you increase parking area you increase the risk of like oil grease sedimentation and is that I assume that's sort of captured in sort of your
your analysis of the you know how the Basin is going to and infiltration accounts for the fact that you now added parking you've now got RIS of yeah and that that system I think that you're putting in what they call the Barracuda
system yeah it's an oil water separator correct yeah and they do extensive testing to determine how much you can credit for that removal and that's where all these numbers come from so we're pulling it based off of you know testing like real life testing data that the
vendors go out and you know pay a lot of money to do and then that gets incorporated into standards and we use those calculate the total removals right and that's why it's imperative to have the operations and maintenance manual that you have absolutely have that
serviced or maintained because if it's not it you might as well not have it correct it's just going to right exactly so that's why I asked that makes sense yep does that include like parking lot
sweeping and cleaning is that in there too well I mean we're not cleaning and sweeping the current parking lot it's not a problem I people aren't parking there overnight it's not a garage it's a vet clinic so people come in park for 20 30 minutes and then leave you know what
I mean if it's somebody's errant car is leaking oil and they make a big oil slick I'm I'm definitely I would definitely go out there and like clean it up or do something to it because you know how I keep my place Immaculate so like I'm not going to have like nastiness over there but it's not like
somebody's parking there overnight or anything right you know junk cars or parking for cars to fixed to vet clinic you could take credit I guess the the short answer is you could take credit for street or sweeping the you know if you had like a bigger parking lot or and
and right there's different scenarios where that's applicable um if it is applicable you can just gain extra credit towards the total you know sedimentation removal right um but it's it's not in this instance it's not not
appropriate the the and I'm going to say that you can't control what comes into your parking lot in other words a vehicle like you said that may be leaking some oil and things of that nature um hopefully it doesn't leak an
excessive amount right um but that that system when you have a a water event a rain event whether it's rain snow or whatever okay that water then that's why I asked if it's all channeled back to
that one area because that area that at that point the oil water separator or the Barracuda unit should be able to handle that and that's why it's imperative to make sure that again I keep going over this that the sand is
removed as well as because that sand may have some oil entrapped in it that's why you want to maintain because otherwise it's just going to go down into your retention base and and that silt will end up into that rip wrap
area and then causing the uh the rip wrap to not be effective anymore and then the water and washes down into and it's a it then becomes very fix so
okay I mean I'm like I said you're I appreciate all of and again I apologize the effort not the effort that you guys have put in honestly I really want to get this m so we
can get this whole project not just yours Penny but the next door neighbor absolutely get everything done you I'll start to move forward with it absolutely okay thank you I don't know how you want to make a
motion would you like to make a motion to continue this um for a peer review review of the um comments back yep Le um responses than I haven't seen those
comments yeah right what time Bond that's what you're talking about right that's what we just went through but yeah you just got the materials we just got so in other words we'd forward these off to um tyan Bond
yeah and take look at it and if she's satisfied with some of the you know like you said the um some of the tables have been updated and things of that nature calculations calculations and then you'd make a change to that yep you know pushing it back same number of parking
spaces just push back absolutely and um yeah and we're good perfect um what do you think Jean might be able to get to it pretty quickly I hope well I think yeah U hi this is uh this is
Chris rokus from TY Bond thank and uh yes I I listened to all the the responses they sound good I haven't seen any of the updated application material but I can we can jump on that and review them and and get you know get
a another a second review letter back to the planning board on that excellent thank you are you um are you satisfied with what you've heard so far yeah based on what I heard tonight it sounds like all the comments that we had in our letter were addressed um I didn't and
the comment about Shifting the uh the parking lot back I don't have any issues with that if that's um if that you know what needs to be done that's fine mov good I didn't realize you were on so that's good thank you yeah okay so maybe
we can that's good do you we have to send the materials at their second review comments but at this meeting we've got to announce the continuance date right we'd continue but um I'd got to give him at least what I don't know what his you think a week two weeks that
we don't let's ask them yeah what do you figure for a Time Bond response um would you be able to do it within two weeks yes yeah yeah we should be able to do that review the materials and and submit letter in in two weeks yes
excellent because what what we'd like is when's our next meeting 12 March 12th we'd like to have them back before the 12th that way we can uh close this out is what we're looking to if that's possible let's see here yeah we should uh yeah definitely definitely before the
12 I mean I could try to get you something you know a week or so before the 12th I think okay that'd be great that would be excellent if you so that file that was emailed to me that entire iCloud file that I was given can just be
forwarded yeah that would be everything all the Revis material I have to send them yep and was the letter part of that file I can't read yes was in there yes y okay yep so I'll forward that to him okay but then the only thing that he won't have is the updated plan with the parking shifted
back but that'll you you'll do the Plan update yeah here for the yeah but absolutely and then we can it's not going to change the calculations we can't resent I just
wasn't sure if they had to time Bond had to look at it I'm not I'm not looking for a recalculation because I feel that it's it's not substantial enough of a move you're not increasing the B
yeah impervious surface okay um the only increase is going to be the width of the driveway I agree yep okay so are you wanting them to review the storm water calculations this whole again no I saying that no no he doesn't no there
there I'm not going to send that to them part of their peer review again no the only thing that you're sending them is the responses to the response in the revised site plan correct the response but yeah there's going to be um I think there should be let me look there's one
where we talked about a table if I'm correct they should sorry to interject um they should also receive the rise uh storm water report because it does comments are in yeah in that that's the table that we've table and the
figure for the BMP and the calculations send that yeah pass it forward it along and have everything okay okay if they don't
um let me ask this question would you be object to having and um tyan Bond would you be object uh to contacting um LC themselves instead of trying to go as
an intermediary through us and you know would it be possible for you guys at tyan bond to talk to your people at LEC we have no objection okay would you have any uh yeah we have no objection yeah we can work directly with the uh with the
applicant engineer that that would be great perfect it's I'm I'm looking to expedite everything is what I'm trying to do so trying to come back to us and then go you know just it's better to talk engineer to engineer um and have it
done that we can copy on correspond she just said that okay okay you're good good all right um I move that we continue this public hearing case 2025a
to March 12th uh 6:30 I'll second that all in favor great thank you thanks for your time thank you thank you appreciate it I didn't have him sign a continu his letter you okay with that Patrick I can
send thank you thank you have a good day here yeah those letters are good checklist of what you should be thinking about you know when you when you see when you see those Ty Bond comments you know it's almostly yeah it's like a checklist that's why
yes oh all right so we're going to open our regular meeting yes motion I think did you do just the motion to continue
yeah okay so we're going to do uh I make a motion to close the public hearing that's what she did we did that already continue did CL no you can't close it no we did the continuance the
motion to continue we're good we're done so you want to open regular board meeting yeah go all right so we're going to open our regular planning board meeting uh February 26 7:28 p.m. our first order of
business is 106 East Long Meadow Road site plan review change of use you doing yeah might be might be here a little bit please sit down um how you doing today
good good so um it looks like uh Dennis throwing you out Dennis Dennis is retiring re yeah and I know you were in the shop yeah he sold his building
didn't work for my situation okay I didn't have it's my son and myself and neither of us wanted to live upst stairs right and the last thing I want to be at this stage of my life is a landlord yeah okay to a to a tenant with a shop alone right it all starts out nice but I've
had experience yeah yes yeah you don't need the so um okay so um and the reason I know is um the fell that was in there Mr B anle OE OE olly he knows every yeah he had I uh
commissioned him to do a stained glass for me T okayy so yes yeah um anyways let's get back to what you'd like to do and you're just going to do glass yep
repairs new install are you familiar with the shop have you been which one Leo llo I'm very same thing okay mirror IM type of thing exactly right okay exactly right basically um you got some parking on the side front type of thing
yep um customer parking there yeah customer what do you very very little yeah I mean if if I sold coffee to every customer I'd go through a pot a week if that yeah yeah it's a it's a convenience rather than me going out to their house
I can tell them look you can save yourself 150 bucks if you can drop it off yep if you're proficient enough to take your window out if you just need a mirror x amount and you can get it home in your car that kind of thing yeah yeah I know you got the glass truck yep um
and you do I know you do a lot of store on Commercial yeah that's that's my yeah um so it's really more geared towards commercial work absolutely you know what I'm saying absolutely more so in the last two years yeah yeah it's brutal
yeah so dropping customers drop things off are going to be like you said infrequent very infrequent yeah I mean I love to help people out like that because I get it you know and they understand that people are really great about they know you have to pay for the truck if you have to come out here and
sometimes you have to yes but yeah yeah all right can we back up what do you I'm I don't know what's so it's a change of use for an existing building yeah it it used to be the auction place
if you will okay so it's right along the road DJs was selling cars out of there y for a little bit um obviously he's pulled back the cars and put glass in yeah he's got all different I don't
know what he's up to but that's okay yeah yeah you don't need to I don't need to I don't want to I've got a do yes so it's just a change of use yeah I don't see anything and basically you got regular
hours type of thing yep 8 to five 8 to five no weekends okay an emergency now and then change of I do not I I have a flat glass delivery and I have a store I have
a aluminum raw material delivery and a uh yeah one other fabricator I mean three or four total never all the same week or very rarely okay I mean it'd be great if they work but it's not that kind of busy yeah you're not crazy busy
yeah two of them come once a week I don't need right and you make your own frames there I build yeah that's basically what I do I cut aluminum and um there's no scrap hanging around cuz any scrap goes in my truck and goes to AC me right as you know and
Steve MC has a to there for my little four yarder okay and all the glass goes in there it's all no hazardous waste no operation no has dis was thank you two trucks it's all I have it's all
I want one truck one glass truck with a rack and one pickup yeah possibly someday but no problem chose the max work the other questions yeah concerns
good no no I'm just looking at here okay I'm like change of use section four it's in Conformity with bylaws no nothing different uh yeah yeah all right um move that we
approve the site plan review at 1060 Long Meadow Road change of use for Leo's glass works I'll second All In papor yeah I I probably I'm a little partial because my aunt lives in Lille and you
actually helped her out my crazy aun so I hope a lot of crazy ODS love but yeah you her out with a with a uh basement window you had to go and yeah so I appreciate that you're wel save me the trouble you know I've been in business a
long time and that's some of the best part of it for me I get to help people that really need it and oh yeah okay okay so yes you're good you're good right y Joanne I think he's good to go yeah all right show up tomorrow and
get my certific see Eva thank you very much again thanks I hope to see all of you at some point I mean if you unfortunately if you see Paul tell him I said hi or I'll see him maybe first you take care
now you said the original yeah she all right um anr thresher Road thanks for your patience nobody builds anything the school yes yeah Bedrock yeah Bedrock Financial
Lots the other way around no one three lots was we oh one still nonconform not future for special permit that one yeah A and B are good you have to come
back so so yeah you have one non conforming um but you're not looking for a special per not today later on yeah right now one step out of time we got to get these things split okay and that's going to be
for the Sun for Sun and you know okay well not for my on for one of them yeah and uh with you know when we get to that point special meeting you know yeah and get but as the way it was play as my understanding everything should conform
you know with the space of the you know the the lot size and then you know obviously there's not a house location yet but that's going to be it's it all should be in place to meet all the requirements for a non-conforming uh yeah even the non all of them these two are conforming really okay you got more
than 200 feet yep yep um it's the last one L see is the one that's and which is not right but again that's that does fit into the uh requirements so there should not be an issue there um when you come for the special permit for that so
good it's very simple how many times I can't even think I know it now no I I this is my and to four three months um all right I move that we
endorse the anr at 110 thresher Road I second one what did you say I 110 Thresh parcel parcel 15 I was reading this okay no problem parcel
15-35 z z thres thank you you want as defined on the plan as yeah as outlined on the plan yeah dated February 13 2025 I yep I will do that okay I'll second that all in
favor thank you have that we have one quick question I the board can answer this now so how's the numbering work with this so I'm the 110 keeps coming up and that's the number we were given you know outside the formal you know the legality of you know but how's this gonna so how numbers are
assigned building department okay so and how that works is he'll look at hous existing number and give you a number sry just so I know where I'm yeah where are we expecting that number
from so that number will come when you when you go to your building okay so that 110 does that even exist is that because you type that in or outside like I said the legal that is an actual number for that parcel 110 pressure I didn't put 11 so I don't know
where that came if you type it in obviously like I said bring it right up Road it brings up Bedrock owning that parcel correct it says parcel ID it doesn't give an address because there's no house on that property yet cor so it wouldn't have a 110 address so somebody might have thrown a one yeah that's what
I'm saying a l of legality came through was 110 type in 110 for you Google search it'll come right up on Google search okay you know everything is just so go on our G I know that's so the 110 it might have been
assigned at sometime to by somebody okay got a building permit and never right I mean there there's there's a shallow well there so somebody was some long long time ago was something it was a shallow well the possibility is that there's something there I don't see any
Shu you know I don't know if it's like I don't know I don't know what we would do we talking sometime back I have one what's I was GNA I mean mine's shall enough where I can see but doesn't mean I have around
there it's like 600 lb I can't and a lot got do something because you know some of the history beginning some of the history of H then was that people used to come from strength field okay this was
a was far enough away vation they had vacation homes or cottages and things of that nature or camp out here whatever somebody might have had show well for water and
they but not you think livestock maybe like just for water for livestock we're talking like you know based on that well that that's we're talking maybe 100 years you know I mean yeah that's what I'm saying but I think just the wooden structure that you would
time we can say read and that was cool she's like oh right right get Grand no I'm going to build some I want I'd like to you know build something around it like a traditional kind of not all right perfect thank you thank
you thank you signed you have to in the this is all right thanks very much oh sorry oh I feel I think it's 900 degrees
in here yeah Iz what's next all right battery energy storage where are we at with this sure rest [Music] I knew oh you're doing and like three
he just comes with you drives me okay all right um so everything that was commented on last time has been added cross my heart is the best I could do
yeah yeah he said he had to leave oh okay sorry if you want to go through I don't want to go Page by Page no just the changes yes I can I have the draft and I can tell you I have your draft okay so what we're looking
at huh you're looking at the 226 draft from the 212 I have the 212 we went through and I can tell you the changes you told me to make yep hang on a minute 12 put the draft here no I have
it I didn't make copies for all you guys because it was from your is that say 212 no that's so this is this is the updated this is our new this is the latest and greatest so's gonna just give us the high level of what told you to change last time we're going to confir I
don't I don't have the brain power to go through this to every single one this definitely so so am I talking yes please page one making the all the red to a final black because those are been finalized the definitions moved there
yep second page paragraph a we rewarded it yep um first line State the same first line Second Line third line well I can just read it the purpose of his b is to bribe for the
construction and operation of a battery energy storage system beess and to provide standards for the replacement design construction monitoring modification and removal of energy storage systems that address public safety protection of the Town
aquifer and public and private drinking Supply that was a change yep protection of the endangered species that was a change an addition and then um minimiz impacts all stayed the same so we added in the protection of the aquifer public
private and protection of endangered species yep okay everything else on page two is the same I'm page three I'm just making sure they didn't repaginate page three application
materials up to five nothing's changed page four biomap we decided to keep that in because they use it where you at um I'm on biomap which is bullet number 10 page four page four got it bullet 10 yeah biomath we're keeping it in there
the word sorry I'm looking is it biomap 2 biomap two two yes okay yep that's the software ah gotcha okay and then down to H we just changed that to vegetative yep
buffer next page which I think is still five as long as it didn't repaginate because I added her stuff in um bullet number nine operations and maintenance manual shall include the following Maddie I want you to make sure
these were your notes and I tried oh no this this I think I've got um we put testing scope as number one yep yeah this is scope yeah annual testing yes and we added the battery all of those
um bolded subcategories documentations added in compliance with the UL 9540 paragraph this was all provided by you okay I know you provided some too so
this is all new four five three four five yep and up to the next page okay my only do a page break at number four well I think that has to say in compliance with and then it's going to go I think it's should go is like a it
should be indented so this becomes B Okay C so three a b c okay that makes sense let me make sure I understand it a b c so a is UL 954 is FPA C is that okay
all all under two the following got it actually I couldn't understand I was sure I had that right because we want them to be in compliance with all three of them okay this make yes and then under 10 um we added we
removed the entire paragraph for o yep and we put in where you at page six noise studies noise studies um all noise test says one what studies which is o is
that what you're saying um I'm sorry hold on a minute yeah something well I think the no l liability but then you go oh my stes I think that should be different nine was part of what you just made the changes
to the indentation right that's all part of nine yes now we're going back to n n is the subcategory of yes the previous letter yeah if you go back to page back page it's m and then and then all the bulleted items one through nine that's
all one two three okay this and then n oh okay n we're going back to the letters now yeah that's confusing that's how I'm I just copied tried to copy the
format from where r m n o well those are all subcategories of m i bulleted items one through nine yeah do you want to keep it like
that um or do you want you want to do no I think think so well I think this the bold's going to it won't be bold anymore right for five you're right I can un bold that yes I think that's
what's I think if everything and and I think anything under nine just needs to get like shift it over yep well I yeah you started too yeah then would that make this 10 this is not no no that's still so
that's that's why it gets confusing so the formatting this needs to get this all needs to get like pushed over it is formatting right unbold it I'll move in all of this indented over all of this and then once we get to the noise stud I
think we have to do the same thing y just make everything yeah yep so you're saying I'm gonna go back to page five yeah the on and M operations and maintenance shall include
99.1 9.2 9.3 is that what you're saying that's a good that's no but that's a idea sub number them I don't know that's what well don't forget though we're putting this in a book that's so John I think my suggestion was that we format it so
anything that's under nine gets pushed over so it's clearly under that section yep broken up yep all right so everything gets pushed over yeah I think we'll do the same for the noise studies okay
um but does that noise study fall into onf the operations and maintenance no it's a study that needs to be provided before the onm pre terminate yeah so you have the OM M falls under the O M falls under M which is the
Emergency Operations plan so that's why they're separate m okay yeah changes six is that where we were yeah six so we're back to noise studies yes we were removing what was there in in
totality and putting in pages that Gina had supplied us which you all reviewed and agreed upon correct and yeah my only comment again is just formatting to push it all over through page eight yeah so Pages six seven and eight
all noise six seven yeah post construction monitoring compliance that's sound okay two how get to F yeah no they're all they're all no they're all numers D yeah e is on three
believe me oh my God it's it's and I got to incorporate this in the iws it's all different numbering kind of I did my best no it's not on you it's um if you look at the very first page a b c so we're all the way up to F and then
you get to e on page three then you have all the subsection sub sections and then F oh God this is a nightmare to put it in the bylaws I'm telling you I don't even know how I'm because really it all should be numbered like the existing book that's
what I was just thinking yeah but I feel [Music] like like we're going to have to look at this in the future and why well I mean this is really a draft until we really finalize everything you
really can't number you know put it in the Americal order until you know I think what might help is if we made it made the so there the main category categories are AB right yes if it was like 7.17 a 7.17 b 7.1 1 7 C then it
kind of breaks it down a little bit more okay it's hard I think it gets confusing because it's so long I agree so are you you want to add into let me ask you the existing solar is that what we're trying to
do no I put this ad at it as a new section yeah 7.17 section yeah 7.17 okay that's right after solar 7.16 is solar with the temporary moratorium it says 7.17 is the temporary moratorium on
ground mounted solar R volt in the existing books right so you're going to change that would be taken out and this would remove that how do you do that it's going to be deleted on 10 we're going to say 10 uh 10 I mean
7.1 seven is now no we have 7.16 we we revised SE we had the bylaws of 7.16 as a um D previous draft of them got approved and then that we redid a whole new bylaw for solar yeah and we put it
as 7.16 7.17 was in there as like a placeholder right but I believe when we put the new solar bylaw in there we were removing 7.17 and and you did did you you said it was deleted on 1026 right so
now we're going to just use 7 17 so how do you do that that's my question but that's not for a question to be answered now because this is a record that said 7.17 at one time was a temporary moratorium on ground mounted solar
voltaic blah blah blah that was that's a record right now go ahead wouldn't our warrant article just say we're deleting that in in its entirety and replacing it with this that's what you're gonna have to say yeah so you gotta get some some some yeah anity yeah I would ask for
legal link on that not to not to throw it up got a headache that I'm given her a bigger headache okay the Warren article is going to have to address that yeah yes that's I would but what I was saying is I think we may have when we put the
final solar moratorium in that's the final solar bylaw in it may have been in that wording that went to attorney general I'm not sure I'm got to look at the pre the previous final solar bylaw may have done that already in the final
records I'm going to go check and make sure okay if not I will add it to to remove the wording for Section 7.17 replace with the Bess bylaw yes no we have to the
yeah this on N we back to the numbering now what are we doing as far as I let me look at the numbering have yeah we have to look at the bylaws how they do it exactly I nine
then because the 678 is everything Gina sent that was just inserted yeah nine any changes on so that would be F design right F we're up to design standards we did not change anything in
F H9 yeah yes got you then G and G we did not change anything in safety H is at the bottom but continues to 10 H we did not change anything on I I
we did not change anything on J we did not hold on a moment um i j which starts on the what page is it on this one okay abandonment sorry it's on a different page here we changed the 88
that was highlight remember there was the 88 it's supposed to be the decommissioning fund for the removal which is where is it here um bullet three bullet three on page 11 yep it said in accordance with the remember it
said 888 number 88 yes that was a typo we put in the decommissioning plan right okay y John do you know where I am well I'm reading page 11 J abandonment and I don't see not abandonment a paragraph above it three
oh second sentence in the draft before it the it the commissioning plan yes the removal before it had a typ b the 88 was in there y from their draft y pay severability we changed it to town
of Hampton not where uh laps of approval I had no changes on that and then the table of use we have to go over tier one and tier two because guys don't have it right for what's allowed and not allowed in the
districts I don't believe I know I asked you but residential one tier one tier two oh you're on the no this you're in the wrong one okay so tier one and tier two I have wrong on here you are correct you have
it I do as far as I'm concerned no I know I do I asked Maddie but I typed it wrong I'm looking that okay so what do you think's wrong so tier one is for residential basically correct okay you've got my cheat sheet Joan yes I do
okay so um tier two if you're G to do tier 2 it's commercial commercial okay so tier 2 is going to be if you're going to do it in R6 R4 MD okay um you're going to need a special
permit go back John Steph I lost you on that commercial go tier one is only an R4 and R six R4 R six and MD multi-is um so not allowed in all the other districts and I would say not allowed in business commercial
industrial okay and all the other two the last three okay so um yes okay so then tier two oh I is because it's commercial so it shouldn't be allowed in residential so it is it can be because in other words these
large scale solar systems they're in a residential area they're allowed only by special permit so if you have a battery energy storage system that's collocated in a solar system system then you could it could then
power a house no requires a special permit it would have a special it would have to have a special permit so the the commercial I'm talking about um yeah um I'm talking about Stony Hill Road I'm
talking about uh mil Road I'm talking about mil Road one and two if you will um and then I'm talking about um podes Hill and also um Summers Road those are
all residential areas okay they're not zoned commercial they're not zoned limited industrial so you can't say no to it because they may want to put put one in on the solar so it would
require a special permit just as you're doing a solar commercial solar in a residential right so tier 2 residential R4 R6 spbp all of
those would be SP and then businesses permitted commercial permitted industrial permitted um and ends for the rest but no what about uh golf recreational why why can't I do one
there okay I don't know can you okay why not is that in our in our you want to put an amusement park and a solar thing in the and a water park and a water park I I just want to see something I recreational you got to look
in there to is that what you're I'm looking at the I'm looking for table six golf recreational if they even allow solar which I do they do they Okay so [Music]
so I say you got let it BSS in there too BSS what do you think Patrick should we let him have a have a battery storage system at the golf course yeah right right on the 18th hle so they can get off the sport see
how are they goingon to power the runway without it well I mean they got again you've got um you've got uh golf carts right
electric right yeah plug by the electric okay I get where you're going so yeah so they uh they're allow you know it's a it's a permit permitted yeah so so it's yes some sorry I don't mean to sidetracks but that's
pbpa um yeah in the golf recreational you're you're saying a special permit too no yes um it would be no it's allowed uh no it would be
because less than 2100 Square fet okay is permitted yeah so an excess of 2100 is spb right so that's just a review by the planning board so I would
say in the golf recreational you just do a spb that's a special that's no that's just a that's not special permits that's a site I believe that site plan yes I want
to just look at se the codes SP is allowed by special per section six in the bylaws Oh I thought this was this the book I'm sorry page one which one you going spb PA special
permit planning board approval it which one are you saying it ispb you allowed a special permit from the planning board still requires a permit though yeah doesb yep for just golf Recreation just golf Recreation but
it's still we need a a site plan approval for that what's that wouldn't need a site plan approval for that it's I it's there well they still have to go through the permitting process the process is the same so why why wouldn't they require a site plan with e I'm
asking I don't know if they're going through the whole process of getting a special permit why wouldn't they provide a plan showing especially with everything that we're saying that they have to do in this and yeah I agree well that's what they're asking for right M well I guess okay so I guess if they're coming to us for a battery energy
storage system application they have to follow all of this and then additionally they have to get this right which one you're talking special SP spb yeah this is a special permit and part of the special permit requirements is a site plan yes yeah so
we're good I think we're covered then that make sense okay yeah you're saying it's included in thew itself yeah exactly why not just make them I think he's just trying to follow whatever we have let's it at spb right now because that aligns with what so just golf
recreational golf Recreation yeah on tier two on tier two um tier three I think it's right there but you can check it at this point I I think yeah I think that's correct yep y okay so tier one from left
to right p p p n n n n NN correct tier two SP PB paa spb paa spb paa p p p n spbn correct tier three n n n n n spba
SP PPA and and and repeat tier four correct that's what I have I have to watch the video back and write that down all right so comments that we've seen since last time we met
KNX yeah I gave you the fire guys and additional comments from Fire Chiefs additional comments from Gina yeah I hav got them well I got earlier Monday Monday yeah so we're gonna have to read yours over Gina that's okay I understand
give you give you another headache yeah what I'm here for well so where's the nox box getting included in this yeah where start with that in the all in the oh God safety somewhere in there was something safety something safety
application Emergency Operations yeah yes that's where you're right which is Page four letter M where you I'm sorry I just wanted to add sorry Chief we're gonna add the noxbox requirements oh yeah where you going with it uh m page4
m Emergency Operations plan is proced down let's go with M10 M10 oh yeah uh you're adding a separate bullet why well because then it would oh you want to under that wouldn't you want
no it goes nine and then 10 there's no 10 right it just okay so saying Rebel this as 10 because this has all this junk underneath that might make it kind of confusing if you're going like junk eight nine and then one little bullet of
10 so I would do label it as nine change operations and maintenance manual to 10 that way all that big Goofy paragraph is the last thing all right okay so what are you putting just his exact boarding the applicant to provide it to
say it yeah I would say oh I'm sorry I have somewhere but applicant shall locate knoxbox entrance fire depart Department with
hfd yeah applicant shall be required to install a noxbox by entrance with location designated by HS hfd yeah got that the fire department you gonna tell me how you want it you [Laughter]
got no I don't but I'll put something in there just figure it figure I'll put some wording in there you WR down I yes please yeah good here this is the final draft we don't have any time we got P
fire so I guess I would say that with the KNX boox and just say that any changes to Locks um Keys Etc um the fire department must be notified okay shall
be going need a key to get in that box yeah to get the keys to the G yeah knocks by entrance the with [Music]
vocation so we took care of the fire chief are you guys reading that other document now which one that I can give you an overview no it's okay I think I'm good okay I did read it
I just tried to spell it out as all right so I'm good with one that's the joh what did you say any changes to the locks just
locks or Keys can't work like this too tight Department got it got it rece must be change as two locks or Keys must be Communications
[Music] s it's kind of tiny perf second I'll get it I did read this I just didn't read it looking up this these are good Gina thank you oh thank you very
welcome yeah yeah I'm reading number two so far I'm good with all of them so far come on yeah I know what I'm kind of thinking might be crazy what I think the entire application material should go at
the end how was it another um How was is it in our bylaws now where is application materials for like uh I mean it's the existing it's kind of six pages long the application materials and I think that people are going to lose sight of the design standards that are
after it as well as the safety stuff yeah so I think that they should read through all that and then they see what they have to do to apply for it yeah and I think in our yeah so you think that's a good you suggested that no I'm kidding I'm joking
I think it's a great idea let's do it I'm sure you do no that's a really good point it's not because this whole document is returned tab tab returned tab it's a oh it's terrible do that is the worst this this I'll be doing this till
the next meeting this this existing document it's just a mess it is the back the only thing I need to I think I'd like to look at a little bit more is this setback yeah the setback I'm the
setbacks I'm not I'm not fully aligned with what you're looking for even the town of Spencer yeah I need to understand I understand some of it meaning that um if it AB buts a open Field farm pasture blah blah blah um and I think what they're trying to do is
keep any any issues from any farming whether it be animals or um vegetable farming or I was thinking it might be more of a fire thing try and that's that's what I think it might be yeah you know whether
it's a hay field or a field where they're you know grazing or whatever I did I did see a lot of other towns in Massachusetts having the um the side sorry the rear and side property
set back 200t so that wasn't totally crazy for Spencer it's the but I did I don't know if you received what I sent Jo an that you had asked if it had app if it applied for both you did get that okay perect I re that's why I'm still trying to put my yeah I understand I just want to make
sure you got it I did get it it off to me J like I said I'm still wrestling with with the some of them are excessive you know 400 feet is yeah is is is a big setback
yeah um lot of land you know um so I need to understand and I need to understand it and justify it is where I'm coming from yeah okay because if I can't justify it then I
can't battle it I understand I just felt like what's in the setback bylaw now is kind of crazy because it's only 50 feet it is yeah yes and again um lot there it's it's a moving Target trust
me so comment on uh we said on number two on page two here yeah we say inection the last last line there says and shall be subject to the more stringent
requirements so in our bylaws now I we have a statement in R line in Hillside there's a conflict between bylaws the more restrictive shall reply that's fine we can that's what I restrictive I would use restrictive or yeah I I struggled with
that word I wasn't sure great I just I know I read it as a lay person I tried to read it like I was actually trying to build it and me it didn't read clear that you had to follow both number two a special permit
is so like I said I need to I need to understand the example as to what do you mean that's that's directly from their B anything and and and like you said the AG was okay with it yes she was we does that okay so it might would then just
the same suggestion as Pat to keep the same consisten consistency of language failure of the owner operator to make the required notifications shall mean that the special permit and site plan approval will be revoked
okay I think that's the word we use elsewhere I'm going to check with them I'll check sure when I was looking at batteries they can range in anywhere from height from 9et 20t and I figured the bigger
setback it wouldn't as big um I haven't seen any 20 even ours there's not 2 well who exist they exist I know they exist I'm saying I guess depending on the lot size maybe they would go long versus high or High versus long like ours up is really all right
taller aren't they no they're long they're like 12 feet 12 feet tall yeah yeah but they're all in line they're nice and okay so surrounded by Stone well we've got a short novel in minutes
so honestly they're older men that like to have done tonight Madison or abolutely okay I'd rather minutes well remember them for the next meeting I got them all right here they're all done and everything so do we
need to so what's we'll make these edits we have to look at it yeah the edit and then has to go to Town Council who that go you're gonna take my edits and just send them Town coun Not Gon want to see them I don't want to see this again no I don't think we have time
honestly we don't have time we're we're we only have we have to do the Adu we only have like two meetings do ad you now nope I don't want to do it now I'm just saying we can't schedule another meeting more go through
this again we've got to get to the point where we stop she'll catch any typos and you got everything captured we can always amend it in the fall like we can't and I don't think we'll need we got to get something done for the warrant let's let's do that you know yeah get it done it's it'll be our first
you and I can get back to her on the setback stuff on the setback stuff sure and then I'll take another and even like well why don't why don't I to you with everything I changed in red yeah at least somebody looked through it once okay no we're not even talking about
don't even start don't even start no done we're done all just gonna be put in is that the game plan or um we're not sure yet okay a lot of it we really not sure I'm GNA tell you you're getting short yeah no I'm not trying about how I
feel and shorter so L understand it you know a lot of it is I'm gonna go want to process it a little bit more and then we'll see we it's all very helpful okay it is helpful and like I say I told you I have to justify it in my own head why you know fire baby
water and there right at the very least I'm putting it back in my folder for you the very least 50 in my opinion okay oh yeah yeah that's what I'm you're holding your okay all right
so okay thank you for taking the time to read it everybody apprciate it thanks so it goes to Town Council right I'm not discounting it trust me oh I understand I'm gonna make
the changes so I will make the changes send Town Council yeah Maddie and I stepb is outstanding yes you need additional information if there's questions I can
provide it just let me know I have sources for literally everything thank you no problem so adu's already gone to Town Council now we have her comments yeah I did you put them in here Julian yeah in
your take phone what's me yeah I hate on um's so after ad what sorry to the whole world it's okay don't worry about give me five minutes it's just me sorry go ahead Ed you we got comments
back from her then what are the next steps after that you guys have to review the comments and make any changes if you agree or don't agree so we'd have to do it in meeting yeah and that's it and then have our special assment and then we have to have the public hearing right our assignment so my point is that can just wait till March
12th too late um we have a lot on March 12th we have the continuance of this that's other thing that I just read in the minutes on March 12 can't remember what it is God August oh you weren't kidding join I did them all
ready are they in order yeah I don't know what you have we have for March 12 I saying it was in the minute probably from March 12 202 they're not be last year I don't see anything in the old the oldest minutes
is December 11 I don't see anything regarding I don't have I don't have any more public hearing there's some here that says February 12 2025 maybe that's it we did that that's a done deal yeah I think I'm assuming that's what you saw that was Bost gr that's a done deal I don't have
any more public hearings scheduled for planning so the only thing right now we have on March 12th is PE the continu of which I think will be very it's just gonna be quick yeah so if we did that and this and whatever else com okay yeah leave the minut I gotta
ask him because who's him the Town Administrator because are we gonna he just needs the wordings for the warrant can have the public hearing up meeting is on uh Monday well he said we have to okay we're going to have a
placeold yeah so CL that's why you want to know about this but you don't even know about we're gonna be fine we're gonna be fine we don't have the wording for battery energy storage so what's the difference I don't know what you're saying you're losing me 41 he wants just
the wording we're gonna put on the warrant oh yeah that's fine right that's what he needs I can schedule the public Hearing in April yeah we're going to do the both on April yeah what did we pick April 16th yeah something like that we the off date right off week that's our only meeting in April 16th yeah was the
third Wednesday and March 26 right she said but we're not going to have a meeting she said that's going to be our only one 16th well no March 26 we we could have a meeting if we need it oh March 26 that's I'm okay here here's this so
March 12th our next meeting will go over the Adu comments from Rose in the meantime people can take them home and look at them y March 12 is also going to be the March 26 we'll have whatever comes up then we'll have two public hearings
on April 16th for both the battery energy storage and Adu okay okay so ail and then um we'll talk about the water park yeah okay don't forget the 16 hold on a
minute said 416 okay 416 is over these going home with me tonight because I thought we backed in this I'm just making share my brain what else am my
brating not okay I won't be at work put my last on I'd like to the only one making money tonight is the zoom operator and that engineer
yeah I move that we adjourn the meeting at 8:27 p.m. so moved I'll second that okay I thank you Christin yes leave the minutes in yeah you can leave