##VIDEO ID:0wZL2Mpnvlo## all right good night good evening everyone good night good evening everyone it is uh Fe the six o'clock call the meeting to order for our February 5th 2025 plan board meeting uh my name is Stephanie slish I'm chair of the planning board to my right I have Jimmy tar alternate chair to my left I have Lee Bell um and then I have uh Doug Finn joining us virtually Doug can you state your presence for the record uh yes this is Doug Finn joining you from Westampton thank you so much and then I have our assistant Town planner uh Isabella joer here and then Our Town Administrator Andrew LaVine um as always at the top of every meeting we have public forum this is the opportunity for folks who would like to speak uh to something that is not on our agenda tonight so if there's something that you'd like to bring forth um and talk to the planning board about again that's not on the agenda now is the time and I'll give folks a minute for that for John um our other planning board member who's just arrived in case there's anyone who would like to speak for public forum if not it appears that everyone here is part of the public forum is a part of the agenda tonight um and so we'll move to close public forum and move on to our public hearing so um when it comes to public hearing procedures we end up uh what I do is I'm going to read the notice of the public hearing and then we hear comments from supporters of the uh in this case bylaw then we hear from opponents of the bylaw um and then we um the board will then you know deliberate and discuss and uh close the public hearing and deliberate um with that the planning board will conduct a public hearing on Wednesday February 5th 2025 at 6:01 p.m. in town hall to consider an amendment to section 3.4.4 accessory dwelling units of the Town zoning bylaws proposed amendments to the zoning bylaws to be found on file at the Town Hall clerk's office and available for public inspection during town clerk's reg regular business hours all right um with that I would like to give just a little history of how we got here and then we can open up for comments so last town meeting we voted to update our assessory dwelling unit bylaw in in doing so we allowed when we previously would only allow for attached units we um kept basically the same bylaw and allowed for detached units um and then so that was last May and then over the summer the uh uh governor's office uh passed a law that would allow accessory dwelling units by right across the common wealth that went into effect earlier this week um and in doing so it then made our accessory dwelling unit bylaw not compatible with the State's new law so this is really just getting it up to speed with uh what the state is uh allowing us um how we can tweak it and make it our own but in in essence it's a making accessory dwelling units of 900 square feet Allowed by right uh to anyone any uh basically essentially any parcel when before previously we had restricted it to certain size lots and things like that so um we've been working on updating this but it's also kind of it's been a bit of a challenge only that you know it's a new law and so hopefully we are doing what we can to bring it into compliance um and hopefully there won't be any litigation from other communities or towns or anything like that that then we'll make us have to update this again next year so keeping all of that in mind um I will now entertain uh anyone who would like to speak here in favor or um of the project of this bylaw to speak now be quiet all right would anyone like to speak um in opposition to this if there anyone that's would that's here that would like to make comments on it you you kind of have to pick a side so either you're here to speak for it or against it and if not then we can speak as a as a board it's been a while since we've had a public hearing actually so looking at know that's nobody on the phone are you here to speak to our okay great right um all right if no one's here to speak to the assessory dwelling unit bylaw update should I close the public hearing if we're then deliberating then internally yeah okay do I get a motion to close the public hearing is that what was to do then I'll move second I'll move to close public okay second that any further discussion all in favor I all right public hearing is closed um and so now it's time for the board to deliberate on what is proposed the part that's in our packets is the uh most recent what was submitted to the town clerk's office office with a couple of recommended revisions from our from the Town Council but very light edits as you can see so if we were to choose to vote on this tonight we would be I would say we should be in choosing to incorporate his edits to voting with the James yes that will be the strike in the three part correct and other um yeah that's like the main substantial change out of all all of his edits transit station yeah that's um I do have one question though that Doug um because Doug did the heavy lifting here with this and I really appreciate him doing that um one of the questions I had is one of the so the way that this is spelled out is that by right you're allowed to have an accessory dwelling unit as long as it um is the Adu is placed further from the way which the lot has the frontage the height of the Adu is not exceeding the height of the principal dwelling um and has to hit setback requirements um I'm just kind of doing a Topline thing for folks here um on there should be at least one parking spot for an Adu uh all exterior lighting should be shielded on-site storage and waste management and recycling should occur on interior of the dwelling or an attached garage or screened screened appropriately there should be a reflective street address um to the extent feasible any new entrances should be located on the rear or side building and that an Adu should not be used as a short-term rental uh or one or a time share property or a bed and breakfast the concept of this is to um increase affordable housing options in town not to be uh hold on one second that okay and then the other thing uh that we mention here is that there's an option if it does not meet those requirements it's then sent to a site plan review as an option and the building inspector can refer it to the planning board for a site plan review um and so the re the reasons it would be sent for a site plan review is if the lot um if the lot is served by Municipal Wastewater service or has sufficient existing septic capacity uh if the lot is sufficient to surise parking access egress if the proposed Adu not reasonably or significantly detract from the character of the mediate neighborhood or the proposed adus consistent with the intent and purposes of the zoning bylaw so that's just like the the how that would work um but the question I have is so you're allowed to have a second Adu on a residential lot also according to state law um but we can condition that a little bit more and so that's one of the things that the questions that I had doug because one of them says that every structure on the lot has to be 66 feet from any other structure on the lot and I'm curious as to what where that number come from and if it has to do with Public Safety there's a bullet that says there will be adequate access to all structures by fire and other brid vehicles and the fire chief and the designes certifies that are those related or separate I'm just curious as to how we ended up with 66 I know that the bullet point requirement to have a certain minimum distance between the Abu and any other structure on the lot the underlying intent is to not create too much density On Any Given lot um so that an Adu can't be placed next to another Adu next to the dwelling um you know and I'm talking about within 10 or 15 ft um even if the fire department approves 10 or 15 feet the intention is to and that's also the intention behind a minimum lot area of 135,000 square feet or roughly three acres um is to not create a situation where someone with only an acre of land has three separate dwelling units on it all fighting for you know square footage um two comments that I can take away first of all the 66 feet I could not tell you where that was sourced from I um so that number is subject to debate um the other thing I did want to note is that the guidance that just came out this week from the state um actually signifies that my my takeaway is that towns can actually choose to not allow a second Adu on a lot their guidance says that if a town chooses to consider a second Adu on the lot that second Adu must be considered through the special permit process we had it backwards we had it the other way we had the assumption that we had to allow a second Adu by special permit we can choose to not allow a second Adu at all um so I'm throwing that out there okay does anyone else have any questions I do the previous uh mark up on that same page right above second Adu you use the term proposed protected use Adu what are we getting at with protected use Adu protected use Adu is defined by the state law a protected ad protect sorry a protected use Adu is an Adu that meets the state's definition of an Adu all adus under the law right that's the first time we saw that first protected Adu on the line yes so yeah have the first one first one no can do not much we we can do site review basically second on E we need you know the first sentence after the first pair a second ad lot shall only be approved if it's going to be may be approved right second one may because we have more ability to change that right well I mean to Doug's question is do we because right now we're gonna say because our interpretation or what town council's interpretation at the time before this new guidance said that we should allow that special permits should be the way for that second unit will will be allowed by special permit we can't not allow them but now maybe right this is what I mean about like the laws changing and interpreting it now you're inter and going it be interpreted different ways just like with cannabis laws when we legalized that there's like everyone's trying to well I don't want to necessarily speak for the entire board but I think uh given our past discussions we've kind of been on a on a track where where two units um is something that should be allowable given the space if they so I don't think there's any reason to divert from the course that we're on because we had the option unless unless someone has has an idea about that well just saying it's shall only be approved if it meets these specifications it sounds like you can get through the gate with these specifications wherein reent guidance is telling us we have the ability to deny this during the special plan review so that sentence is wrong that's all have toy think would you yeah would you consider replacing the words shall only with the word may yeah that's exactly what I mean that's exactly it that's the only thing that's the only thing that's inacurate about I I would completely support that change okay okay yeah because that still allows the board the discretion to deny it reflects the recent guidance you go yeah um if yeah so yeah yeah that's my only question all these track changes are um if this language is fixed and we can only amend then I'm happy to propose that as an amendment on town meeting floor but I I'm guessing that with our Town Administrator right there he could probably answer the question can we make that change yeah right now you can make that change now we have five or six seven track changes we're incorporating we're voting on those changes so we want to add one y no this board would have to be able to make changes to it's fine okay okay that's great yeah the only other thing that I said it 66 seems feet seems like kind of arbitrary we don't know where it came from yeah that's the only thing that I'm like why here because like there's another bullet point that gets to that point of there will be adequate opportunities for privacy between the separate dwellings like you know I don't know I just don't want to put a random number there or if even if it's not random and then we get circumstance in front of us and we're like sorry we can't allow it just because you have an odd lot size because it's 66 feet that we determin from some so arbitrary again have no problem with striking that line because I think you're correct I think it's covered by some of the other bullet point criteria here um the board has the option to say that there isn't enough opportunity for privacy between the separate dwellings top even if fire department says that there's plenty of space between for Public Safety purposes that's fine so striking that bullet point would be fine with me what does any everyone else think about that first one that's fine okay I mean it was on page four something to it that kept us in line right if there was some reason to have it right but it seems all right with that I um I feel like you know we're doing what we can do um the the other thing that I did get reached out from um a member of the public who watched our meeting last time because we brought up the point about site plan review like what happens if someone wants to put a very outof character looking uh Adu in a our historic Main Street for example it would be completely within their right to do so is there and we could condition it and do that through the site plan review process but they they the question was what if it was anything that was in a historical district would automatically have to go to site plan review was a question that got brought up to me that would make sense um does happi to have an established historic district yes we have multiple historic districts they do not have any real teeth behind them when it comes to zoning unless we decide to put something like this in that so the answer would be that the planning board does not have discretion over building design when it comes to private residences a historic district commission and a duly established historic district they would have authority to review building design and even to deny approval based on the design of the building so I'm happy to say that's actually not in our wheelhouse and there's nothing that we can put into the bylaws it would be a separate process I feel like that's how does that happen would I get triggered by building inspection because the way it says now is this the proposed ad will not reasonably or significantly detract from the character of the immediate neighborhood so that would be a reason for the building inspector to be like you know what this is kind of on the fence for me or like this looks like it might not meet the character of the neighborhood and they he could send it to site plan review that way um and like you're saying we can't condition how someone decides to build something but we could put screening in front of it or make it ask them to be less visible from wherever from the road yeah so I'm thinking about any one of the you know amazing historic homes on on the Main Street and I'm thinking about somebody wanted to put a god aul stainless steel curved Adu on their in their front yard shipping container Adu yeah section section c Part D three I'm sorry Part D part one would be triggered the Adu is closer to the public way than the principal dwelling that would then kick that proposal to site plan review and as part of the site plan review the planning board could give notice to their neighbors and and encourage those neighbors to come and then the neighbors could speak in opposition to having this big giant stainless steel monster in the front yard the planning board could not use that as its sole reason to deny right but at least it would give that individual enough feedback to maybe reconsider the decision but if the stainless steel shipping container Adu was put behind the historic home somewhere in the backyard far enough away from the public View that it wasn't readily apparent I don't think we'd have any grounds to deny it and I'm not saying we would have grounds to deny it because it's a site review anyway but it would then kick it to us to notify neighbors and I think that was the impet the the reasoning why the resident reached out to me and was like hoping that we could have more site plan review more light so to speak shine more Daylight on um anything that would be an Adu that could be built in a historic district and if somebody proposed a small Adu that was entirely keeping in character and that otherwise met the standards in section c of this proposed bylaw I don't think we'd have any cause to conduct a site plan review and I I think I personally think I wouldn't want to do that if the neighbor is concerned about density I don't mean to be mean but I don't know if it would be concern about density but it could be a concern about character sure right does anyone else have thoughts on that debate true seems like a fine line if we're not supposed to make it harder for them to construct these things it's like does that pass into the realm of like you have to make it look historic and then the price goes up and then more difficult I don't know is that within our is that one of the things we're not supposed to do so there there is some new language and and Doug I'm seeing this for kind of the first time so you can let me know if I'm reading this wrong but this does say in the the state's uh standards that a municipality May establish design standards and dimensional standards for protecting use adus located in a historic district that are more restrictive or different from what is required for a single family residential dwelling in the single family residential zoning District provided however that such standards are not so restrictive excessive burdensome or arbitrary that a prohibit renders and feasible or unreasonably increases the costs for the use of construction protected use Adu so it's giving you a little bit of leeway for historic as long as it's not too much leeway seems to be the state saying so if there's an interest in some kind of design standards or something else there may be some opportunities to work with that and would design standards be something that we would do separate wouldn't need a town meeting process to do like our design guidelines didn't need to do that we could establish design standards for the historic districts I would think that that would then be a bullet point under the Adu standards section c of this bylaw would it have to be as a part of the bylaw I guess that's a question for Council we would have to make reference to them so what happened previously Andrew is we are by are zoning bylaws referenc tap field design guidelines multiple times but we never ever passed them or approved them yeah and so then it was like a decade later we got around to approving them um but guines they didn't have to go to town meeting for that but the references to the guidelines need to be put in now um because there it's in within our bylaw and we need to be a part of that if that makes sense it's kind of doing it a little saying they should get added now even if the guidelines aren't ready yet yes a reference to the a reference to the GU if that's something that this board wants to do right I mean in line with the store commission I feel like it would be something so word smithing on the Fly yep section c Part D yep I would suggest we could add a uh an item number four and literally word smithing on the Fly uh section four uh the Adu uh I'm sorry in any established historic district the Adu shall comply with potential restrictions apply uh design standards as approved by the planning board the historic district commission or the historic commission you GNA say with design with Adu design guidelines or historic design whatever the phrasing that you mentioned Andrew design uh design standards approved by the planning board I would think yeah that's what he just said what if historic has anything on this um Let me let me back up actually I don't think the historic district should be there I don't think the planning board would approve any design standards that would run a foul of what the historic district commission that's would agree yeah we would invite them to We Can't rely on them to provide standards that are so elusive that nobody can meet them we would invite them for their input I think is how we would phrase that and we would rely on them if we're looking for specificity um I would hope but so so then that simply adds up to in any established historic district the Adu shall comply with design standards as approved by the planning board period and paragraph yep y yeah if as long as everyone else feels like that's a worthy no it's an elegant elegant solution Doug I think you're muted oh your headphones are off I think he's supposed to be muted okay um and I think no that's fine and I just to hearken back to our comprehensive plan that we passed I think it's a good uh right now like we don't really have anything that really in our zoning bylaws that really um talks to our historic district and our historic homes um and I think the recommendations was to try to bring more of that integration into just not just our bylaws but into other facets of the comprehensive plan so I think this is a good like first little step at trying to do so so agreed all right any other comments or thoughts on this otherwise um thank you Doug yeah thank you very much Doug it looks like we could we're going to be taking the town council's very minor um changes language changes um with the one that says the one language change that's kind of not minor we said that should be at least three off street parking spaces for the principal yell dwelling unit and the Adu due to state law um we can the most we we can require one parking spot for Adu so that's just more of a note um and then then the other piece is say moving the language around a second Adu on a lot may be approved if the special permit granting of FL determines that on Section e and then adding that fourth bullet of criteria on section c Part D part four mentioning the historic district adus should comply with design standards approved by the planning board any other comments on that otherwise I just wanted to recap all of that because if we're good then I could get a motion for all of those things move to approve with amendments we just spoke about second all right any further discussion all in favor I I I Doug V side great thank you Doug and we are approving the updated accessory dwelling unit bylaw that will then go to town meeting in May so hope to see yall there all right thank you um moving on to the next agenda item here we have an anr application uh from Mr Joe SE Kowski at 5 Depot Road parcel ID number 205- 29.2 um this is an anr application that came into US last month uh and it looks can we have the applicant come and stand in front of the microphone or sit in front of the microphone introduce themselves and just explain um what you would like to do with the lot I'm Joel sowy a farmer from Hadley um we'd like to divide this up into two lots um it complies with all the rules and regulations um hopefully it's prob right um now you know everything I do thank you Yep this is the same plot that was going to be used by the herberts yes okay yep and your friend Michael has moved out of state uh so yeah um you know par B you need 200 square or 200 feet of Frontage and the lot size is definitely adequate you know over around two acres for one lot and 2.2 acres for the other lot uh one of them is having has a barn on it um and then as long as the other Frontage for the one that has the dwelling on it has 200 total and it looks like between the Depot Road and the Cronin Hill Road that's that it does um yes looks like a pretty straightforward anr and anyone has any other comments or questions on this parcel from the board Doug has no comments and I'd move to endorse the plan as not requiring approval under the subdivision control bylaw second that any further discussion all in favor I all right so yeah we will sign this and either if you want to hang out for the rest of the meeting we can give us to you at the end of the meeting or you can come into the town hall tomorrow and pick up everything smoke tomorrow oh fair right un you're pulling all night I'm here representing their realtor she's actually waiting for that document because she has to get it sent off so I was wondering is it possible to get your signatures before you move on because I got to bring it to her I'm willing sure yeah I just want to make sure we have got the Sharie we just need a Sharpie this sweet okay efficiency slow up the process if I can't get it to her quicker it's night time but also I mean Doug voted he's not here to sign this so what we do as long as you have four signatures on the plan be fine let me know if you a bigger Sharpie we got to sign the same order right same order both times all right I'll start we need to sign all of these too thank you I appreciate it yep and Doug I know we only have you for the next 20 minutes or time regrettably yes um so if there's anything you want on the agenda you would like to speak to let me know um we can do that next but I don't yeah four good man speed you're way better at that than me I do this all freaking day I guess  and that's when we mess up no actually so I even have like so car I have this here that I think stays with the town this one I'm sure we need I don't know that she needs those I think there was one document that you guys you were supposed to last week and only have to sign one something that was going you want to take everything and thenf for me to take and then come back with I bring back whatever it needs to be for the town absolutely you want me to make copy of anything what' you say you me make a copy of yeah if you can make a copy of this that I just had endorsed I'm pretty sure this just stays with the town but if something has to go to the registry I've know that it's that document yeah sheet has to go to the registry Town should keep the application and at least two paper copies yep all right sign and date all I don't think one two okie dokie all right here's four of these thank you so much sorry about holding you guys okay now we understand you guys are working with the clock too so give them the copy of one that one's also where did my y thank you yep was that mine this is my my pencil all my stuff ended up so just got BL we just all right I lose my uh Sharpie uh nope it's right here geez you've got you brought the Tums you brought the sh I'm you brought everything that everyone's needs tonight appreciate that um all right thank you for your patience everyone um moving along um we have approval of minutes but I also want to like I said we only have Doug's time for about 15 20 more minutes is there anything on the agenda Doug that you would like to speak to we can do minutes later no I'm fine right now thank you um right now we next item on the agenda we have approval of our minutes from our January 8th meeting I did read these and they look good to me I don't know if everyone else had a chance to read them it looked okay to me anyone would like to make a motion then motion we accept the minutes of as listed for January 8th meeting second any further discussion all in favor I all right the January 8th all right thank you Doug a minutes from the January 8th meeting are approved as is next item on the agenda um the DTA Grant application this is something I put on on the agenda hoping that we would have some sort of update on do we have an update on this anything so we apply So based on our last meeting we applied and got everything in on time received yes for application they told they said that they would like to let everyone the municipalities know I think it was like the 23rd or the 24th of January and we have not heard anything so um I was hoping to say woohoo we we can move ahead with with what we applied on what we applied for but we have not heard anything yet so um yeah maybe we could reach out I was also trying to be respectful of like knowing that you know sometimes deadlines go past but in a little while we can ask yeah it's now almost two weeks later so I feel like we should we could reach out and ask okay Bella you'll do that then we'll do that okay I'm sure they won't mind yeah and I've spoken with other pvcp members but like not the one who got the applications I don't know how big of a place it is to be like hey so you knowly yeah but any other updates from you Bella I only have someone else is interested in 121 West Street happening again um which one is that again it's the one it has a one acre Little House part anded it the front half is light industrial the back half isal resal the back half is really Rocky front is flat and that's very tricky to figure out what to do with it we keep getting people who want to change the zoning to residential for the front and then anyway someone wants to do a solar field honestly this seems like the best proposal yet except it has a high water table and so depending on what a solar field requires in terms of actually you know installing these panels in the ground I don't know I gave him a call um we had someone reach out to do that exact same thing and it didn't year and a half ago but it was some big giant Corporation so I don't know if they just didn't think the yield would be worth it or something yeah yeah because he really could only use the front portion not only because of the zoning but the back is really Rocky and hilly so um I you get up in there there's vernal pools and stuff all up in there so yeah I'm assuming he's looked at the zoning and has seen that only the front half I mean the front half is like six acres so he could that's with a high water table right and Lori mentioned to him that it has a high water table and he said that was fine but my intention was to talk to him on the phone and ask him you know why he thinks that and should he get like a engineer out there to take a look at it and see what they think um it would qualify for the large ground Mount solar system um thing that we have in the table of uses which is power for resale over 500 kilowatt and two or more Acres he also is talking about maybe renovating that house or tearing it down and building another one um I feel like it could be allowed as an accessory use the only thing is it's not on the same parcel which it would have to be you could just do a lot line change maybe I don't know it's kind of the only thing that has come up um otherwise yeah I think that's good for today I do want to start a planning board calendar what we should talk about so that we can sort of see what deadlines are coming up for Grants and start general plan for the rest of the year but I think we'll know more too when we have the DTA feedback and we'll know like what our schedule is when we need to start getting things done for that great yeah have we heard anything about the steo property at all no okay that's the property at the end of opposite the end of Chestnut Street it's a big property it's maybe 70 Acres it's got a barn that's been had some work done on it recently uh and then Frank steel died and he was the was the reason why we got the massw works Grant to extend the water right the sewer line up that way right right um the last item on the agenda is the comprehensive uh H comprehensive plan Hatfield 2040 implementation committee Andrew do you want to take this uh sure I'll address this real quick so um as you all know the uh comprehensive plan was approved earlier last year at this point um and the select board voted last week to create a committee uh that would comprise of nine members uh that would be charged with the implementation of this plan and it's a lot of coordination it's it's working with the different boards and commissions and uh Town departments uh that have different responsibilities that are given to them through the comprehensive plan uh and uh working to to make sure that the different deadlines and action items are uh are being met uh they would be responsible for reporting on progress uh and you know convening other other meetings uh with the different groups and meeting as a body themselves to track progress against the action plan itself so um there'll be nine members and the planning board uh does have um room for a uh representative so this board can can choose who they would like to represent them the select board will appoint that person um to to join the committee yeah I would you know I was the member that was part of the comprehensive plan committee the planning board representation happy if someone else wants to step into that um role but also you know I'm also happy to continue that as well but also want to give the space for folks to get involved in something maybe that interests them and a chance to work with other boards and committee members which which I think is a big plus getting more you know less silos getting getting more on the same page are you looking for a volunteer are you looking for someone to take over she's getting crickets um I think it also has a qu comes around the same question of whether I will stay remain chair come May or after May's election or re or June whenever we decide to reshuffle that there because I'm opportunity for a horse trade here yes because I'm also um with child and get busy yeah we'll be uh not at this meeting next month because I will be having a newborn so okay good for Thought or are we deciding with when do you when what is the timeline for picking so I I think you know if you can do it at this meeting I think that's great otherwise it's probably not a huge problem if you do it at your next meeting because uh the select board will be taking applicants for two at large positions we'll need to probably give a little bit of time for for those to come in and then approve them so probably all will end up happening around the same time but if you want to pick someone tonight then they'll we'll put on the agenda for them to approve that start moving the left and then also thinking about DTA funding part of that request is to help kick off the implementation committee by the time that comes in and all of that probably will be in the next couple of months okay yes Doug well if you're looking for someone to volunteer my wife might hate me for it but I'd be willing to throw my hat in the ring okay great I mean yeah I'm willing to be a part of it too um so it doesn't matter me I don't want your wife to be upset with us 22 years I think she's used to me by now um we yeah we don't we don't have to vote on it tonight or we can it doesn't matter okay like I said it why don't you think about how you feel about it and we can vote on it next time although next time I will not be here okay you might get voted to do it without might get EXA she won't even be on the zoom call next month I mean I was told I didn't have the votes not to be chaired the last couple of years so yeah anyway with that any other discussion on this otherwise we can just table this and move talk about it next meeting um give more thought to it because the meetings will probably be what like once a month that's the plan until for how technically the implementation committee should be going on forever I don't think that is that is uh going to be the case I think we'll start with a year and see we go from there okay okay um all right with that any other comments I will say that the the application that came in or the informal conversation we had last month about the pinball and pizza place um they said they'll probably be ready for our next meeting they weren't ready for this meeting so I think that'll be March like a really fun project yes um so with that I think um that'll be that's what's planned for next meeting um and Jimmy you're on Deck to chare it so um and that would just be probably site plan review right yeah all right anything else all right we have some guests visitors and do you have something you came for or the um accessory dwelling uh wanted to learn more about that nice we're happy to answer questions to after the meeting as well yeah um anything else otherwise motion to a journ Doug says he's right here he can answer any questions for you now that I know he's on the planning board yeah he's going like this to you um yes and he's the one who helped craft this bylaw so yes he would be the best probably you can ask us we're g to defer to him I'll talk to you later I'll call you oh he said I'll call you yep all right I'll call I'll call can we get um our next meeting then is uh Wednesday March 5th and with that can I make get a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second any discussion all in favor all right all right the meeting ISJ 64 bye Doug thanks Doug