all right uh call the meeting to order for the December 4th 2024 planning board meeting at 6:04 PM um my name is Stephanie slish I'm chair of the planning board to my right I have Jimmy tar he's alternate chair the far end I have Doug Finn to my left
I have John jeffris um I have our assistant Town planner Bella joerger and I have our uh New Town Administrator Andrew lven is joining us tonight thank you for coming um as always the first item on our agenda is public forum this is an
opportunity for our audience to come forward with anything bring anything to the attention of the planning board that's not a part of the agenda and with that it doesn't look like there's anyone here to uh come forward onliners we don't have it online
tonight I don't think do we live streaming okay um all right with that we will close public forum and move to the approval of our minutes of our November 6th meeting thank you to Lori for the very
thorough notes um have folks been had a chance to review them or do you want to take a minute to like a minute for sure relatively dense and didn't get a chance I I have no problem with the minutes I would encourage
um brevity is this a transcription of the entire what it feels like yeah I would there's a number of reasons while you want to encourage brevity um not the least of which is liability if somebody can pick some
detail out of this later on you know and use it against the town you want to defer approving I I no I have no problem with the minutes as they are right now yeah they
are just in depth they're very de deep very in details very detailed yeah I had a chance to read them and they were very detailed anyone um being referred to as Jeff in a couple of instances but that's just syntax I
believe or is she talking is she talking about somebody else um for what part there was no Jeff present Adu bylaw update next the last page yep so that should be bull points
three5 okay but that's all it jumps out this is all like everything we got you know including the cliff notes on the comprehensive Jeff would like Doug to send to Ford um the update you're at the 0uk yeah do we assume that they're referring to John yes that's what he's saying
thank Sor noticed okay yep any reference to Jeff should be John fair enough other than that move to approve everybody had time I move to approve with those edits with with the modifications as noted
um was that a motion I move second any further discussion all in favor I all right meeting minutes of November 6 uh 2024 are approved with notation that all Jeffs should be John uh lee did say he's coming I got a
text he is coming he said he's headed over well he might show up by the time we're done no we we'll spend a little time talking about confence plan stuff um first item on our discussion uh that has been on our agenda for the past couple
of meetings is the Adu bylaw update so just for historical knowledge for purposes of for the audience we updated our Adu bylaw in May at town meeting um but then the state came out with an
updated uh law regarding a adus being a piece of that that supersedes what we passed at our town meeting in May that came out in July or August and it goes into effect in February February 5th is four some beginning of February I think
yeah um and so we have to update our zoning bylaw again to comply with this state bylaw to make sure it's not in Conflict um and so we in order to do that in order to get on the town meeting
warrant for may we need to hold public hearing on it but that means that we need to have a public hearing on it probably as you uh you mentioned Doug we need to have it before the February 5th log goes into effect ideally yeah is our
next meeting before February 5th yeah we have a January meeting and then because we meet the first Wednesday February 4th February 5th is the Wednesday isn't it wrong on that that'd be impressive if you knew that it it actually is the 5th
so of February so we could just plan to have a yeah so we need to have a cleaned up compliant uh updated Adu bylaw um not we need it before February because we need to post the hearing
notice two weeks before that blah blah blah so we need it for our next meeting January okay then is like in a couple days I know so we need this by our next like finalized by our next meeting okay so are we excuse me go are we still under um confusion from the
state so that's a good question that was something that I needed and when you mean confusion like well it seems to be there's been different plans presented and accepted and then altered and then altered again and then altered again so I mean at what point do we have a final
say from the state right because there's been like right to your point um the state you know if we if we come up with something ourselves and all of a sudden the state overrides it then you know that's not a good situation for us well we should just taking most of the
language from the we do what they released mgl whatever and then complying it with our B and and then if we wanted to be more we can't be more restrictive we have to be but we can be more our own flavor but completely or lenient yes we
can like if we wanted to make them bigger than 900 no actually you can't no you can't because the state limits it to no more than 900 square feet interesting if if Hatfield wanted to propose a bylaw that allows second dwellings on lots that exceed 900
square feet they're welcome to do that but interesting but it they wouldn't be an Adu that's the definition from the state right that's stuck by okay there is I did go through the language I did um just check it again and there was uh
and I sent out not only the revised version which shows all the cuts and the additions but also a summary version which shows what it would look like with all those changes made um I would encourage if if possible if there's the budget to do it to pass that
bylaw to Town's Council and have them review it and vet it against the affordable homes act um and see if we're in compliance we could also wait until after the public hearing too yeah anything that goes on the town warrant town meeting warrant agenda gets vetted Anyway by Council so I don't know if it
would be redundant huh would we want I don't know the cost to that I I guess I just wouldn't want to wait until the last minute to have Council say oh this whole section of this is badre and now we don't have time to change it yeah we should probably that's important to know if we can you know get a one fee one
review rather than through it just highlight it and make sure it's getting that that that specifically is getting better or he doesn't need to focus that much on it when it's we're trying to get ahead of this right we're trying to get ahead of this we don't want to wait till the last minute review when everything gets reviewed y do we have to double up on hours for this yeah and so do we for
the for everything to be ready for us to like internally bless it um at our January meeting do we just want to stick to what the state has allowed and then we can entertain any additions or changes at the public
hearing I think that makes sense like if somebody's like we should put bigger set I don't know setbacks around something or you know if there's other things that be more creative around yeah I mean that's that's one of the things that um that could be proposed is that an Adu
requires greater setbacks than regular dwellings um or greater greater distance between any accessory any sorry any other dwelling whether it's on the same lot or not right that might be one of the things that somebody might suggest so yeah and we can entertain all those things I'm just curious do we want to
entertain them at the next meeting uh incorporate them in head of the public hearing or do we just want to put what's in the state law and then wait till February to Hash some of those things out my personal reference would be to take what we've got for proposed changes have a good solid look at it
ourselves in January okay and if we're good with that then we post a public hearing notice that is what gets presented to the public for review they come in with comments if we get 12 people coming in and saying oh more distance more distance or whatever we can still make that change before it
gets submitted as a warrant article okay and if nobody comes in or if people come and say and and say this is great andc by then you might find could be other things it's interesting because pretty robust definition of what's going
down from Boston right I think you should try to post this as the first item on the agenda also so people don't think they have to come and sit through the whole meeting to get to their interested thing this seems to be one of our larger things to deal with right now in February you mean at public no in
January the next meeting let's Okay have as their first agenda item so you know if people are here they get to hear and say what they got to say without sitting through what are we we're at the 4th of December right so we got yes there's six days to get a right thing posted to oh
no we're not gonna post until like mid January February meeting but we are gonna finalize and approve whatever we're going to put and post at our next meeting so I don't see um Doug's cop in here even though yeah
youed it um must have missed that I did read it go print it out I thought it was going to be in the packet do you want me to I think it'd be helpful because either even if we don't get to discussing it further tonight was a little confused because this was the first thing in the packet and I thought
maybe that's what but I assumed it was your edits that you've been sending out or you can wait till the end of the meeting and go because we all should take them home thank you any other thoughts on Adu bylaw update that to me is g to be
so if anything else that we want to put on the town meeting warrant related to updating or zoning bylaws we don't have to be as strict with the February but like we definitely need to know within the next couple of meetings what's going to be on there so we can have space on the warrant agreed was the preference to
have that reviewed by Town Council before the January meeting um before February before the February meeting after janary after the board is looked at it goes to Town Council for February that sounds great cool and then I'm not sure if if you have a deadline if you and Marlene have
talked or you have a deadline for the end of when you would want to know if there's going to be space for us to put anything on the warrant it's usually like the end of January is is when I believe in the past Marina's wanted to know like hey is the planning board
planning to have any I think this is early enough that we can count this as knowing you need but if there's anything else because there is some like lwh hanging fruit that yeah I just yeah whenever you know that would be great and we don't need to like know like generally it's like yes we just need
space it's not like we need to know the exact thing usually by the end of February end of January I'll uh be sure now okay cool thank you helpful to have you here good that question
um moving along next item on the agenda we're good to move that way um I first I kind of want to swap agenda items and have an update from you Bella first is that okay before we talk
about the this is like the item thing is the par Valley Planning Commission zoning recommendations it's kind of it's more outcomes from the comprehensive plan which is related to this packet here and the and
this uh size magnifying glass two font um but nice and helpful great spreadsheet that Bella's made around uh with similar basically things outcomes from the comprehensive plan and things that
we could prioritize so I'm guessing that maybe some of your update will have to do with these things and then we can segue and have a joint conversation think it will seg away well okay um mostly everything that I wanted to talk about is about zoning and housing and just like some thoughts I've been having
about it um the first thing would be that you know this at least but Stephanie but the Stephen er um thing that you all talked about last time he's walked away from 121 West Street because of wetland variables and he was interested in two Parcels um which have
come up before um on North zero North Hatfield Road um which incidentally are being the wetlands are being red delineated for those and they're much bigger than was previously thought so I think those Parcels there was an intent maybe to try to sell them for an open
space development because it's two parcels together and it's clear this is the RDA that's going to concom next week the wetlands take up almost the entirety of both parcels and so um I think the only thing that's possible on even the southern one is just a single family
home just the parcel across the street from uh um the old Food Bank the former Food Bank yeah yes the that's two two lots isn't it right they're mostly wet yeah it's only relevant because um I think we were it's
just another parcel that maybe isn't available for open space development that part partially was and it's come up a few times with different developers who' have been interested in specifically those first 121 West and then those two and neither really so 121 West is the one that we talked about at
the last meeting yeah and there are Wetland issues there because back but not nearly as expensive as on these right fair enough um so yeah that was just an update he's not going to do 121 West to emailed us about that and then he's looking at zero North Hatfield but it doesn't look like that's possible
either for his proposal was for a commercial rental space for I guess like different tenants to come rent um how how is that property zoned right now that's res residential so he okay so that's a hard no yeah yeah right yeah yeah which is what happened before with the developer he wanted a zoning change
and we had to tell him it wasn't possible or on his timeline right um but I kind of hoped that by spelling out how complex these two other partials were for him when it comes to Wetlands but also zoning he might be more interested in 121 West again but he hasn't said
anything else um so that's that and then I have been reading through the housing production plan from 2015 and I'm wondering if we should get anyone I don't know um it's based on
it's like obviously the comprehensive plan goes into housing but not nearly as granularly as the housing production plan does um but the whole thing is based on it's based on the 2009 master plan the 2015 zoning bylaw the 2014 osrp
and pvc's 2014 Regional Housing plan and like so 80% of those things have changed exactly plan all of it yeah and then a lot of the data that they're using for the 20 the data was even outdated at the time they were using like 2013 data to
do the 2015 housing plan so I was wondering um I know 10% % of the CPA funding has to go towards housing so I was wondering if that might be and z% has currently not gone to it right if like funding another housing production
plan that's updated could be a use for that um and if possibly I mean because of the stepen Turner thing has kind of raised questions for me about like do we need would it be smart to understand like the extent of wetlands along the five and 10 if they are bigger in a lot
of places that we've zoned for certain types of development that maybe isn't feasible and you're just going to have one developer coming after another that like proposes things that can't work that might be interesting and that was P from the comprehensive plan that a lot of our industrial Light industrial Zone
lands are wetlands and right can't if something can be done on them it can be very small and not right and it's kind of silly that don't that way exactly but that's where we want the development along generally along that Corridor of five and 10 then that's where the wetlands are
right so um I was wondering if maybe that might be a thing to use CPA um funding for and then I was also looking into the light industrial zoning um because again of the Steven Turner thing and I was just noticing that it's like
there's a lot of different uses that are allowed in light industrial and we were talking about whether we needed to figure out if it's like make sense to have industrial and Industrial or what they're both doing there and I was reading about the 40R um smart growth overlay and obviously
that's recommended like five times in the comprehensive plan that we look for a place for that and I was wondering if maybe because the uses that are already assigned to light industrial are so diverse it might make sense to swap out some of the light industrial Zone spots for a smart growth
overlay in certain places because there's like because I'm ignorant to this part well not bro maybe I am broadly ignorant I don't know can you bullet point 40R yeah so it's like dense multi-type housing it's like condos town houses not
as many single family homes but Apartments there has to be 20% affordable housing it encourages mixed use um and you get10 to $600,000 in state funding plus $33,000 per new affordable home that you create and
who's who gets that money the developer developer the town the town right and then if you create a 40R zoning District you also get chapter 4 40s funding which covers the cost of educating new students moving into the town so it's
like a good deal and if so if we created we already have the mixed use overlay but if we created a chapter 40R overlay we there's all these benefits but I was just curious because of how diver it's like in the light industrial Zone you can put small-c scale retail
restaurants churches vet offices schools Child Care Center like it goes on parks and playgrounds libraries museums Farm businesses and farm stands and so it's like if we want to mix de Zone it might it might just be a place to look there's a point as you go north
on 5 and 10 as you go north on West Street there's a point at which it transitions from what I would term light industrial or the the more business side of things to more residential and that point is actually south of 121 West Street I think because from that stops
unfortunately Super Stop and I think if you're going to put it in a 40 40R zoning overlay there you've got extend the sewer there right there's no way no way around it yeah um I'm not saying that's out of the question it's something we need to consider but it's a it's a big problem for all these developers too they were really bummed
about that yeah yeah I was the just to comment quickly on the zoning of five and 10 it's actually interesting there's like pockets of business it's like the business Zone then it's residential and then it's like industrial industrial and then it's residential and then it's like
business Zone again slight industrial so because it's patchy and that speaks to our zoning map in general being patchy because of spot zoning to put it frankly because there's people there was
neighbors who like I I I grew up in five 10 lived here my entire life it's a you know I have the right to sell Harry half of my property and let him build a house there and that's kind of what happened over time well no it's more that they're like no I wanted to stay a residential
neighborhood right so there is one large property that is not being discussed right now and that's Steel's property we will have to yeah I'm sorry Steel's property at the end of end of uh nor it's the reason why we extended the sewer line they were the ones that at
the end of nori Road there's a barn across the street and there's about 65 acres that goes all the way up to Lind Seed Road okay he had plans to put a solar housing development in there okay and he died and he put in a giant warehouse for his business elron and to
make Park thing like very interesting idea that they came before us and talked high level no no plans actually ever got to us um but they told us this is what they wanted to do right um and then yeah he's passed away he since passed away and so
there's questions as to what and I think we just have to wait jimy because we don't know what's well I saw his daughter but 40R encourages mixed use so the possibility for light retail small retail shops exactly museums small restaurants that sort of thing all that
is possible and like the same idea of what this like a small Industrial Park kind of thing like this guy wanted to do so to me that smells like form based zoning where you're not as worried about what's actually happening within the buildings you're more worried about the overall expression of the development in
that area um and it does allow guidelines there there's things you see happen sure sure well what it would mean is we be assessing proposals for develop using a different set of rules a different set of criteria we're not as concerned about
whether or not you want to put in a small mechanicing shop or a residence we more concerned about how is that going to impact your neighbors and what will the overall appearance of the structure and and the use look like which I I'm good with that um because that allows the greatest flexibility and encourages
development exactly um thinking also back to the comprehensive plan they recom the committee and the plan recommends rezoning all of five and 10 to be more consistent whether it's all business or
all you know moving if you had a more flexible Zone you could be more consistent it wouldn't be patchy to make it less patchy is is what the recommendation is would you need to do that if you made all of the whole corridors an overlay like how does that
work an overlay over residential Zone that's why I you mean over the whole like industrial Light industrial residential mhm if you did a 40R overlay over it um I mean I think it would be if it's like following the essence of the recommendation like if the
recommendation is that you want less conflicting zones across from each other I feel like but are you talking about like literally like setbacks no I'm talking about overlay districts in general overlaying over other instead of an overlay I'd really prefer that we just create the new Zone yeah you could
exactly and Encompass that whole area because if a 4dr Zone allows for these various uses then you're not telling anybody get out it's no longer a residential district what I don't know is if you just created a new Zone would you still get all the perks of the
overlay or not because they're like they have this smart growth overlay program I'm sure if you just create a Zone it's the same as an overlay I don't know worth looking into exactly yeah so I think it allows you a lot more flexibility but it might not solve for
the problem that you're identifying of trying to make it less of a patchwork potentially but it would add some more definition to what you want to see developed in that site I think just by what 40R does allowed for be more of the kind of growth that you'd want to see in
a somewhat more dense is allowing for residential sure neighborhood IDE so the question is whether 40R is only an overlay that's what yeah okay that's what I wonder it's an overlay I think but would you get the same like reward
if you just called it a new Zone from the state I don't think would that's what I'm wondering okay okay so we leave the zoning exactly as it is and drop 40R on top of it and that's what I yeah both or you make the changes of the zoning that you want to see and passing over there sure there's like a that's a so
that's like right do you take again going a patchwork approach or do you I'm I would like us to get to a point where we're really looking at our entire zoning in general but that's going to be like a that's like a four fiveyear project but you're looking at it more
holist ically you're maybe less than that but you're you're taking a more holistic look at your zoning and blah blah blah or do you like say okay we're gonna focus on five and 10 this upcoming year and this is more of like a strategy thing around how to approach some of
these out recommendations from the comprehensive plan and and a lot of it comes down to funding too and yeah capacity so yeah so other factor is that we already have several projects going on in five and 10 um
the construction company there at the end of the Prospect Street the pickle ball court the tennis court um there's just been a lot going on on that street I'm not sure that if it comes up at a town meeting situation people AR going to be say I'm so fed up with the trucks
and the this and the that and the noise somebody complaining about the noise today in paper um you know I'm not sure that we're not going to get a bunch of backlash I mean there's always going to be haters to oh yeah um but that's that's a good point right
I I think that we just need to be cognizant of people's feelings that they may not really like it they may be in a vast major minority so let's listen carefully and do what's right this the selling point of the 40R overlay is that you're first of all you're not changing
the underlying zoning but the 40R would restrict because it's zoning sitting on top of the the base Zone it's regulation sitting on top of the base Zone you're saying that maybe if somebody wants to put in a truck Depot which might be allow it in the base zoning 40R may not
allow it and because it's trying to moderate and and and balance residential commercial retail you know and some light Industrials trying to create that balance so that's that's actually a defense in favor of the people who want it to be a little quieter a little
calmer Nazis broad of industrial style development it's one way to approach it and then definitely a financial benefit for the town so I mean to me that's I'm glad you're bringing this up now because this is something that we could put in place by
town meeting to me it seems like an easier thing to put you could put 40R in place by then do you think it's a lot of work it's a lot of work okay but and it's there's the process for doing it more it's more than just changing Z right do it and I know the Piner Valley
Planning Commission one of their deliverables was helping set up or giving us the steps to do that totally have you ever used the state's um planning Planning and Zoning assistance grants here not recently so that could
be useful to apply for that'll be open next June and that's usually around $50,000 for for um technical assistance for for planning initiatives three nice 3,000 you said oh 50 oh much better real money yeah engagement like let's delate
our W along the Town Line of five 10 I was like who that is oh man yeah that is it engagement it's engaged so that's something we could plan to do for next town meeting because to me I feel like we could do the
overlay but still keep the zoning as like for the Pol from the political aspect you're keep you're not doing too many things at once you would need to not only create the map which shows the overlay yep add that to the overlay Maps you'd also need to create the regulation inside the zoning which defines what's
possible what's not and how projects are reviewed Delta yeah I assume right which we if we applied for funding in June when do they give you the money after the closing in July I think they get back to you within a month or two it's
that's one of the faster programs so you'd find out in August you'd be able to hire a consultant to help jump start that process and then have this time do have I think 10 or 11 Grand that usually is allocated for extra consultant that
we need too so it's also something that we haven't used this year it's also something that's the whole things there's so many different options like yeah we need to pick the thing that we want to do where action is happening faster and what you might want to try to curtail
sooner if there's development that you're not as excited about that doesn't necessarily fit with the the plan and focusing on that first that that was what I thought I was hearing from this group um yeah last thing there's just it's actually related to this too but I went
to um I want to acknowledge also Lee Bell is here just my apologies when did you show up you're on record it's been here a while I went to this um it's the national flood insurance program um there was a webinar called beyond the
building code I went to today um I'm sure everyone knows this but FMA has updated its flood insurance rate Maps they officially do that yet I don't know if they officially did there's much hubub about it I went to another I saw them they were forwarded to me today yes
officially finish at least western Mass yeah so what we so just for the Public's awareness we were using those those new updated Maps even though they weren't official yet for our comprehensive plan and great top which is great and Incorporated that data in our comprehensive plan which is great that's
great but top line for people that was mentioned at our comprehensive plan last presentation last meeting um is that basically what was the 500-year flood plane is now one 100e flood plane and so if anything it'll increase folks with
flood insurance and increase the land area for folks that need flood insurance especially where do you know we're sitting here um and up along yeah Main Street basically totally um and let's see basically we
are an n IP Community which means that we get insurance from the state so we have to have certain bylaws and codes in place what I didn't really know is that you're supposed to have those in place and that does help you to enforce yeah um and regulate what can go in the flood plane and that I think you know it's
worth reading through our bylaws and making sure that they're robust enough that we can do what we want with them if we want to say this shouldn't go here um but then they' mentioned regulation of subdivisions public services in the flood plane um and that we have to have sort of language around that in order to
be an nfip Community but one thing so Ser public services in the flood plane like our fire department Department like our schools like our dep fac public housing yeah exactly
right um and that there's a few actions I was thinking I the flood plane I know we have a bylaw but um I think the overlay like the flood plane overlay in the zoning map probably should be updated and also to reflect
the new extent of the flood plane but then also um the flood plane overlay is not in the table of uses in our zoning at all so that could be added and um as of now all agricultural uses are currently allowed in the flood plane which obviously makes sense but they did
mention that according to FEMA um you're not allowed to store any like chemicals in the flood plane which seems like there's probably a lot of there's probably a lot of that happening agricultural chemicals in the flood plane I don't know about so that might be something to look into and then also
they talked about um they did talk about agricultural equipment there's a whole thing about this that I didn't have I was doing this today at like 3:30 so I I didn't have time to read but there's a big thing from FEMA about um what agricultural equipment is allowed in the flood plane and how they deal with that
like allowed to operate or allowed to be stored stored maybe I haven't read it so but they have a big Hefty document about it and then the last thing is that um adus I'm curious apparently there
there is a thing where some towns don't allow adus in the flood plane because they're seen as kind of like a certainly like a tiny house might not be allowed in the flood plane if it's not if it's like sitting on a slab if a dwelling is allowed in the flood plane then an Adu
has to be allowed in the flood it's like the same I especially with the new law absolutely with yeah I think so I just was curious because sounds like to me ways for town to say no could be I just want to look into it because I would assume that the Adu has to have the same
exact code requirements as any other dwelling actually under 9 the building inspector can correct me if I'm wrong but 900 squ feet or less you're actually relieved of some of the building code requirements some of the stretch code requirements so it's actually easier like for example the the the envelope
test the air tightness test of a structure under 900 F feet you don't have to do it right you don't have to get they just don't want anything floating away like banging into anything else so as long as it's not that's what it's about so as long so they don't allow like mobile homes in the flood plane fair enough but so as long as our
adus are not how about house boats that seems dicey yeah so it just that's just planning ahead that should be the only housing allowed in that's just practical yeah so I just
wanted to look at up I just wanted to see if there's any conflict between anything going on with adus and them drifting away I don't really think that's the ones people to be builting but it's just a dinged in my
mind well sounds like there's a lot of stuff for us to handle yeah um before we I mean this we're still on item we're still on item number three right yes said I'm done without really even getting to item number two it's two we haven't gotten to item number two yet two and three are
together so that's it um we can talk zoning now okay but there's a lot there though like is there something like I'm trying to think about okay like what is something that is non-controversial loow hanging fruit that might be something we want to update at
our at Town meting for examp you talking about these no like just some of the stuff that you talked about now like oh the flood the flood plane overlay district is missing from our zoning bylaws for example like a good one yeah because it's not I think it's in the
bylaws it's just not on the table of uses so if we added the table of uses that might be easy Ian not easy easy but it's certainly if we already have the bylaw but this is complicated so so the what you about talking about putting a
dagger in the table of use like unacceptable in flood plane as of 2024 unaccept that type of thing uh be adding another another row in yeah yeah yes no so you know where it says like Ral residential industrial all the things that AR allowed in the flood
plane it would be yes yeah which is proba which we would probably just want to limit to just a residential more things that we would allow in a residential Zone I don't even know if you'd have to I mean maybe you would but I if it's if we're just creating basically a chart out of what's already in the bylaws we're just adding to the
Chart what's in the bylaws that if you're not changing you're just yeah clarifying right it's just easier to use the overlay also will further restrict even just like a residence uh because correct me if I'm wrong but the the the
the flood plane overlay would restricts things like underground fuel tanks I'm sure which might be accessory to a regular residential dwelling which would be permitted and you can't have like any more in this town no underground fuel tanks you mean nope okay fair enough or you also can't um buried propane tanks
nope not allowed got to be above the ground everything's above ground fair enough or your you also can't have um fullsize basement in flood plane currently I believe uh if you're in the flood plane the bottom of the first floor has to be
above the 100-year flood Mark right yes yeah but there's also just template language for the flow plane overlay District yeah that we could drop into the zoning bylaw because it's all pretty basic right and then we just adopt the
map I think that's or the map is already adopt well the map is there you your your zoning regulation points to the map it says this shall refer to the updated firm maps from 2023 or whatever they are I mean I don't know what goes into updating our actual like the literal
overlay on our map like our zoning map that's assessors and GIS and okay whatever so somebody just says that pvpc can help with that I'm sure if there staff Conway school also yeah could offer us yeah but um that should be an e that should be low
hanging fruit that should be pretty simple con we can't do it this year so we'd have to ask PPC which we do have some money right yeah and they have all this information so so to clarify we do not have we do have a map it's referenced in our bylaws or it's not
referenced in our bylaws we do have the flood plane overlay is on the zoning map gotcha we do also have the bylaw like you know this is what's allowed in like paragraph form but it's oh so it would just be clarifying that
yeah yeah so to your point would we need I guess we would still probably need to bring it to town meeting because you're changing the zoning like the contents of the zoning byock so right because you're adding an extra column in a table yeah you're changing
the table uses that has to go but we're just saying we're just clar yeah okay yeah yeah but it would be low hanging through it seems like it okay would we need to update and we would would we need to update the flood plane overlay with these new FEMA Maps that's what I'm saying is the
extent of the flood plane has changed and I don't know what that looks like for us I just know that they have changed I don't know you know it would be like comparing and getting some GIS person I guess too compare them and see if we need to extend which we probably do
yeah um okay and also I don't know like what happens with like you know something that would otherwise be like a non-conform per use in the flood plate are you allowed to have like just somebody that has a basement it's like obviously their basement just stays there it's just is it just for new it's pre-existing nonconforming just like any
other just like anything else what but so like a pre-existing non-conforming B like use though like let's say there's a business operating in there non-conforming use right I assume that's how it yeah works just like anything else somebody has a gas station now it's in the flood plane because of the change of maps they still have a gas station
right but if they want to add a pump it now becomes a higher lift it's possible becomes a modification to a special permit right or a special and I think it just gives us more ability to say we don't want like a new gas station in the flood plane absolutely um and then I do yeah in
terms of like lower hanging stuff I do think like asking about using CPA funding for a housing production plan makes sense although I think the application deadline is passed for town meeting yeah to get that money so we'd have to wait till next year for that
okay what we have we'll work with that we have there's a lot in my mind I'm doing some math if if the zoning grant that was mentioned earlier could be applied for and gotten then we could apply for CPC fundings to supplement that then that could provide
more resources for comprehensive zoning review and we can look into the um 4dr yeah thing yeah because then it's like do we like I said the project that's probably going to take a while and that we could knock out a lot of these things is a complete relook at our zoning map in general
and simp in some ways simplifying some of our zoning bylaws and our table of use and like taking a big comprehensive look at that which is going to cost a lot of money yeah and that would probably be is that what we that you could use something like that for the
planning local assistance grant probably yeah yeah and that's the question is like where do we want to apply for buckets of money for certain things and sure right there's there's the what about changing the zoning the the the mechanics of doing it the the language
the legal review so on and so forth but then there's the what it is we actually want to see and that to me is the part that we don't need grant funding for because that's conversations with people right and that's reaching out to people convers having conversations looking at different places throwing ideas out on
the table and seeing what works but also becoming educated on the different zoning tools that we have available now so to me that's something like to get started on soon um if grant money later on comes down the line and great
fantastic but and like a lot of it is reinforced in the comprehensive plan like we're not just like coming up with this stuff that should handle a lot of the Outreach and the conversation yeah that can be part of it but if you think that plan is representative of where
people want to go feels like it is yeah it was yeah it was I mentioned this too with the because the question this question came up with the at the committee like like has it been a good representation and we had some like very different people different backgrounds on the committee and different
perspectives and stuff which was really helpful but we were all like pretty aligned on some specific things which was good um and they all came to bear and the comprehensive plan as like focuses so even though I say Focus because there's a lot in there
but um any thoughts from the quiet folk sitting over here digesting all this information I'm good with all it's been going on I know we need like a fiveyear plan like a digestive like okay but this comprehensive plan is like a 20year plan
road map we need like a yeah what is the planning board's fiveyear plan uh road map for some of this stuff and like how do we get the funding for it and align it with the timing and all that those are things that's actually not a bad conversation to have that's interested
in figuring out that the that chart it's like 99% of the things in there are supposed to be done in five years it's like one thing that's like a really yeah well as we everything short term next five next
five yeah Sprint this cat on the small side yeah and one of the things that always that's that came up a lot is like we do not have enough we don't have affordable housing for for what the state says supposed to have the 10% we have like two 3% or something which is
bad um for a bunch of reasons but legal reason is like then the development can come in and be like um so there's like that came up a lot yep and that's the housing
production exactly giv you a fiveyear plan for how to try to how to tackle that okay I was one ing like I mean I guess I I make sense that the zoning thing would take much longer but like should the housing production
plan inform the zoning rethinking or the other way around or should they be happening at the same time do you know what I mean doesn't your comprehensive plan inform your zoning Redevelopment yeah yes yes I mean that's that's the base level that we're starting at right they got to go together I think they
have to be part of the same effort so help me understand a little bit more about the housing production plan what how does that work as a tool what does that do for the town um it's just very detail let's see it's the big thing does
it unlock like funding opportunities set the state requirement in order to be 10% Shi you also need to have an active housing production plan which shows you know what your plan is to to be catching up with the amount of affordable housing you're supposed to have now and into the future right um it I I wouldn't use it
at all as a reason not to get going with the other zoning that you know you want to do because I think a lot of that comes from the comprehensive plan it's actually kind of a shame that you now have to do this process too after you've already done the comprehensive plan it should make the housing production plan a lot easier to put together um so it's a state requirement and we just get you
a little more granular into housing especially on the affordable side but I think a lot of that's already in your house so if we haven't really acted on the housing production plan from 2015 because that's what I'm curious is like how much of it you update the numbers you update the strategies and you're
mostly done well do we have a strategy well we have one in place since right in 201 in 2015 some of that might still be relevant and there might be new ideas that came in well like 40R which only came into being year or so ago so yeah and if it's based on like an outdated
osrp for instance that's osrp as in open space open space Recreation plan yeah open space in Recreation plan yeah it's based on that which is from 2014 and we have a new one that's like one thing that might really shape where we would
want to put housing right um exactly right and they might I mean there's probably new like you're saying new tools like P that they might just be able to recommend to us that we wouldn't have thought of in here and then also it is just I guess if we're making 05%
progress every year towards the 10% goal then we're off the hook with a comprehensive permit so if we knew so we're not even there though so right I don't we'd have to know what 0.5% even looks like in order to know if we're the other the other difficulty is that the
town doesn't build houses all that the town can do is provide Provisions for a developer to come in and create housing right uh unless the town actively commits money to take land and then request for proposals give it to somebody the understanding that they're
going to build it that's a recipe for disaster if you ask me unless IDE type of relationship if it's a Habitat for Humanity that's going to build you know smallish houses and yeah but and they might only do like a couple houses at a time it's not usually which
is fine right so there actually is a I was actually GNA reach out to them because if we do see if you do see Parcels there's been one particular parcel for sale on Main Street or not Main Street on five and 10 for a while it's weird because there's it's long and
narrow so have to build a certain specific kind of are you talking about but I was like what I wouldn't that be something like we don't have we have CPA money to buy we could facilitate something to be put in a couple of you could do a two family house there or
whatever or like a few condos on there if we work with habitat or something like that I reached out to them and they didn't get back to me so I'll try again there you go who'd you call Springfield one or no the Northampton area one one in
but those that's why like we don't have relationships with any of those people like with any of like a habitat or Valley CDC or those types of affordable housing developers and so I would like us to have relationships with them so
you can start having those conversation Outreach yeah is the property that you're talking about does it have access to the new sewer line extension okay it's um the one that they came before us to split in half split the parcel in half there's a house on one
piece and then it's a field with like half of a barn 91 so and it's been for sale for like a year right so in that case no the town can't build housing but let's propose that CPC funds buys the land CPC funds
then uh also ensures you know you you find a developer who will build a couple of duplexes let's say on that property and CPC guarantees that um you know you're going to build these you're deed restrict them and you're going to sell them at a deed restricted value we will
pay you the outstanding amount whatever you can prove that you spent to build these CPC will will make up the difference between what you can sell it for under the deed restriction that's one option you know one option just that would be a way to get affordable housing built right or like or without the town
actually building it or like because our town like I think most small towns are strapped and might not have the expert one expertise to the bandwidth to do that well that's why you bring in somebody like a habitat who has the infrastructure set up to do that absolutely you inhabitat you commit to
buying the land and habitat build the house or however that works right so I mean that's one way to add a half a percent every year right creative ideas like that um and not a lot of land goes for
sale and if it does it sells quickly or it's very expensive right um and that parcel's been there for a while like I said it's weird it would be weird things that could happen like the way that it is it's narrow and small you could be very that's that's not too small we have
35 yard fronted backyard and front yard setbacks makes it so that I think it can only be like 50 feet or six 60 feet in in terms of the structure yeah it can be long but it can't be deep so those are that's something that
I yeah was just thinking yeah totally doing more outage about that okay moving on I mean yeah so based on what Bella said um based on this spreadsheet based
on this document that I had printed I had Lori print off around things that came from the comprehensive plan things that we should be prioritizing um yeah the other thing on my the other thing that we talked about at the last meeting that Andrew with you here I'll
just bring up to is the complete streets program we're not a part of that and I think that's a low and I feel like that's something that could be fairly straightforward to get going I don't know but then that's the select board that has to adopt the policy
initially it's involved but involved not that involved ohow hanging is the fruit there's so much support for it but it's there's steps well but the the policy is boiler plate you start with the initial policy and that's there's 16 different models out there in the state you can crib from exactly put together a
prioritization plan based on the roads place you want to make safer and but that's that's step two or step three yeah it basically is helpful in getting grant money and things for like sidewalks and more walkill and creating
safer like bike friendly streets and things totally we should absolutely be a part of it I don't know but that's the thing is I don't think that's us leading that was that's the select select board leading it but we would love to be a part of that conversation and are happy to do that and I don't know how to get that going but that would be something
that seems like yeah I'm happy to work should we do the leg work for him if it's you know I don't know yeah just kick it off get it DPW has also applied there was that whole little mixup where like they have applied for like a bunch of other types of like Street safety programs shared Shar streets and spaces
that's even easier to get for that they're already getting money for that right they applied for another yeah yeah yeah that was a CO era program they just kept doing it it's good so I can I can understand how there would be confusion because the names sound very similar and then there's safe
fors to school and there there's a number of programs yeah program so you talk to the select for do we need to do anything um you can make sure I talk to select um and then so
I know these are like things we're just thinking about talking about but there are things that we need to kind of decide if we want to bring them to town reading it sounds like the flood plane overlie lwh hanging fruit like looking at updating the map and find out what
that involves yeah and if that's something that could happen before like April May or I mean can I assist with that in terms of the the language of the the zoning sure the language is already
there we just need to make sure that it actually there's a couple up in the table of use and be referenced to reference to a table of use it's not in in the table of use is what L saying yeah okay the language is there
in paragraph form I guess but it's not tied to the table talk about chucking in a yes no column right easy enough yeah just elucidating text but yeah they talk yeah and then I don't even know who or how the actual zoning map is
updated like who does that flood plant like literally who puts it in and what are they base on is f gonna send it to everyone or who we're supposed to the the gis layer should be available through Mass GIS H your Valley Planning Commission should be able to just provide the overlay or should be able to
create the map great that's what I want um I got to assume that they have the current GIS layers for the town zoning right they definitely do yeah okay so they should be able to just download the the layer from massgis thing and drop it
in the okay drop it in their stack so yeah so that and charge us a lot of money for Color Prints anyway probably yeah and then the other zoning the ad Adu thing seems to be like those are the two things that'll be happening for town
meeting cool and then we'll look into 4 R in a longer term the how housing production plan I think too um UMES sense what's the approval process for the housing production plan does that have to be adopted by town meeting or is that just go through the
select board okay so we can we can work on that when we feel confident about that or whomever then I don't even know who develops it I mean sorry it's typically done I think pbpc would be the the The Logical group me what's the
entity locally that would work on it like the planning board it'll be the planning board oh okay that's fine all right and we do have a housing committee I am the only person on it so okay apparently the last one was Hatfield housing plan advisory committee
and pbpc yeah you could put together a an ad hoc committee that the select board could do that um actually really run by our affordable housing trust in Newber report when we're most recently doing it which had some pros and cons but yeah you could put together an ad
hoc well that's also something I'd be interested in helping with so okay I know best case be to create probably to create ad hoc to ad ask other people in the community want to be a part of that definitely I mean I think it'd be nice to have from the COA even exactly and I
know like um I know that there's going to be the implementation or action committee from the comprehensive plan that will be uh is supposed to be put together
shortly in the new year and so housing was a big passion of a lot of those people so I don't know if some of them would might be interested in also being a part of that so cool try to keep the committee small I
know this shouldn't take that long right because I feel like one was six people yeah yeah and like there's most of the work is I mean like you have you already have a plan we have the comprehensive plan right it shouldn't be too much extra leg work probably basically making
sure that they correspond yeah okay okay so town meeting we've got flood plane overlay District Adu and then slightly longer term housing production plan chapter 4r overlay yeah and then applying for grant funding to for a
comprehensive zoning map bylaw overhaul overhaul yeah and try figure out what would be the best bucket of money too for that application because that'll be the largest amount of money so you're saying not 40R overlay by me I'm saying for for
our 40 hour overlay I think we could do in bring it up at the town meeting I think we could do it not this town meeting but like the next town meeting potentially but then maybe like another town meeting or two from that then do the whole comprehensive thing the whole because that'll probably
take like two years to update I don't know I'm just saying Hy probably by time we wanted to apply you're saying we would need to apply in June of this year for the September Planning and Zoning assistance grant yep cool so the the overlay map
feels like that's something that not three four five years down the line no I don't see that it's already the work's done the 40R thing no yeah oh what are you talking no I'm sorry Technic of updating I misspoke I'm talking about the zoning map the whole I don't see that as being a five-year project you
don't I really don't the whole zoning maap because you're not changing the language of the zoning You're simply changing the map just I think we're gonna want to do both though because then once we do that we're going to be like well why do we have the what's the difference between the industrial and light
industrial yeah I think it's gonna a can of worms ring all my fun I mean I want to get this done like next year too but like okay I mean we could take a different approach too where we update the really obvious spot
zones and do that in the next year or two or in the next year that would be political nightmare right that's why I want to just do it all at once I agree I agree so you can't do one at a time in this time I'm I'm
less interested than in the the map revision I'm more interested in the language revision of the zoning bylaw I see that as being about a five-year project the language being a basic looking at the entire zoning bylaw and cleaning up language making a little
more concise providing flexibility for the various boards and committees to actually do their work I would like to see some more things in site plan review and less special permits for certain things sure yeah um i' I'd like to see clear criteria for the various things in the in the various zones so that if
somebody comes in and they meet all the criteria you're out the door goodbye have fun do your thing yeah un l objective review agreed yeah yeah and I see them hand in hand the map and that that's why I'm saying yeah the map should be a reflection of the language
and The Zing bylaw so I should yeah and then you had also talked about dou you had also talked about like in the table of uses just having thing like maybe instead of just adding more and more uses changing the way that things are described in terms of their
impact and their sort of role rather than just adding more and more types of businesses endlessly yeah as people invent new business models keep chasing yeah like for example someone like we don't have dog kennel isn't listed we had dog K we had dog K we didn't have
Doggy Daycare it's like where does that fit we were handcuffed right so there's like things like that pop up in our like we didn't have tattoo parlor that fit in Cat Cafe cat hey come on now we got another line
of the table of uses Cat Cafe making a motion in the in the ra but not in the light industrial sorry no cats in the light indust they're gonna get in the way they're gonna get in the way will not work they will not perform industrial labor no matter how much you
try it's tough to Wrangle those cats th like pushing rope yeah exactly no thumbs um okay all right so um I mean these are just all things that we talked about that you happened to bring up and we're like we're going to do this we're going to do that and there's still a bunch of stuff that we haven't even
touched but I feel like that's enough conversation for tonight unless someone else feels passionate about one of these other items that are in this I know I came in late and I'm already an hour and it so let's keep going yeah Fair um and I think the things that
we're focusing on are really the ones that we have like we can just do mostly on our own as opposed to like a lot of these other things you need to work with other other committees and boards on so right totally
um okay now the last item on the agenda is related to our budget um this is something that the chair is responsible for putting in a budget request every year they asked to our deadline is the end of the month um in general uh we it
is requested to level fund and if you are asking for additional funds to really make your case you have a meeting with joint meeting with the finance and select board to talk about your request and then decide whether to approve or deny the request um some a couple things
that we asked for more money last year uh was legal notices because the cost in that The Gazette has gone up yeah and if we have any sort of uh thing that needs to get on the warrant town meeting warrant we have to pay for that as opposed to special per application the
applicant pays for that so that's why we put up the request there and then there was up an up request to to increase the hours of the assistant Town planner from 5 hours per week to now we are operating 13 hours per week but that funding is
also with CPC funds um backing up you said you wanted to see an increase in the legal notices yeah but I noticed looks like it's a decrease yeah I know but I think I don't know why it's a negative increase it's a negative increase yes yes yes um that might have
just been a the T put incorrectly in the table because that was something that was added at the last minute but maybe I'm in Maybe I'm Wrong business travel admin and office SP board post legal notices that's how
much has been spent uh that's the that's spent to date 667 so they got transcribed they got transcribed so if you're spending 667 by the end of November 5 months into the year
I don't know if why did we spend $667 so far this year we did it says credit 667 oh I'm sorry 667 credit so I think that was just a 66 I think maybe for whatever reason why that's a very bizarre number to have it be 667 what would you
recommend for FY 25 um I would need well I think it would be we would need to ask see how much like the most recent special permit application was and like we're going to have two potentially two warrant whatever it costs for two to
three public hearing notices okay my guess unless and another tactic is to do them all at once and have like we're having a public hearing on these three things that are going to be worn articles that saves you the money so and I'll post it at once yeah but you
need to also be very organized doing that in in the past in Hatfield when posting a change uh notice for a public hearing for a zoning bylaw change has it been practice in the hearing notice in the paper to print the entirety of the change no it simply
description of what's to be done and like a sentence long description that's happening and that you can go to town hall to read the full thing I mean if you're looking for a rough number I would increase that to 1,200 the last time I bought an ad for the Gazette a legal ad it was a pretty
good size and it was almost 400 bucks yeah yeah and then you print is that it being printed twice yes it was it I think it was about three column inches and it was yeah and then there was one time we messed up like the so in order for the
applicant to not have to pay again we paid so that 1,200 would be a good buffer I think yeah um and another question does the accounting team at Town require a finance committee action to move money safe from professional development to
the advertising and legal notices are those considered separate lines it's we can move money around within certain things yes okay I don't know specificity of that basically I asked Lori and Lori
checks and says yep we can do that okay so because I know in the past like um we could move money around like we have like Co for example we kept the professional development but nobody was going to conferences and we needed to
use that money for legal ads so we did or something you know no fair enough fair enough if there's that flexibility then I think the 1200 makees sense as long as you can draw from other lines if you absolutely have to you can always get a reserve fund transfer if you or and like our budget like the bulk of
our budget is for our assistant Town planner like we don't we don't ask for a lot yeah um and like I said I know the conference that like if that one that was going to happen this weekend was going to happen
it was $50 per person um it's going to be $1100 per person for the one in Worcester in March worth every dime if you haven't been it's worth every dime um so and but that means like two and a half people could go to that or
two people could go go to that plus another like webinar or something like that so um but I'm inclined to keep everything else the same um and unless we you know want to talk about increasing hours for
assistant Town planner which supports us and the Conservation Commission which also do they but all of your funds come from our department so that's something right I'm pretty sure whoa whoa whoa I think so well don't have a
title for them either like I'm not right but I'm sure but the money comes from our account not just start blowing them off that's yeah unbelievable you're prior as long as you're prioritizing us then I'm just kidding yeah you know where your bride gets buttered right yeah um I Heard word they were going to
be having the same conversation next week but I don't that's all I know okay so maybe I could talk to the chair about that also I'm a little confused still by the CPC like did they contribute funds or did they just mean
to contribute funds and they didn't I heard something that was about this were they maybe I agree yes I don't know how that works yeah something was because they voted to do it I believe they did vote to do it but then I don't know if it all came out of the planning budget
this year you mean last year yeah like I don't actually know if they did fund me this year or not anyway they're another source maybe I check in that okay because we want to make sure that like all of those things align yeah yeah yeah it makes so much
sense realistically is there too much work I was like too much work for you to do in the hours that you have or how do you I think if we're going to be adding um like an implementation plan for the
comprehensive plan it's definitely would be a few more hours would help a and that would be the reasoning right it's like okay now we have this well the reasoning why we asked for this again was like we need to update our comprehensive plan and this need to update our comprehensive plan we need to update our housing plan we need to look at we need to look at uh 40R
zoning we're looking at you know major zoning examination over the next three to five years all that takes time and work and also like another angle of this that is not an our purview but something that a Town Administrator might think about what we know um
is if this this position also worked on grants then they would pay for themselves right in a way it would help a little bit you know totally it would get it would justify yeah the cost because you would Al this person would also be bringing money in um because right now it's
like the Town Administrator does some of the grant work that you know like there's a lot of each person does what they can but if we had someone that's like half of their job was to focus on Grant stuff or whatever quarter resarch and application and management is huge
is huge right I think um because um when we were going back and making the initial requests it took us like two or three years to request funding for this a part-time very part-time assistant planner for us to finally get it which is understandable and great but um the
last year I was working with the chair of the Deerfield planning board at the time because they were also requesting funds for planner and we reached out to all the area communities to see like who's funding for planners who's not and it was super interesting like Irving has a full-time planner a part-time planner
and a graduate student like wow like right like right and like orange has similarly has we were surprised to find so we did all this research and found there were some towns that are doing like really prioritizing this and one of the towns
said like yeah and half their job is raing Grants and two of Two Towns I don't remember which ones were like yep and this person does grants and they're great and there we go and what and weightly it's like assistant Town Administrator who does this but focuses
primarily with yeah so yeah yeah I mean and I think like in the in the comprehensive plan it recommends so much like for boards to collaborate more I mean everything in here that's listed as either stuff that we're supposed to lead with other boards to support it's like I
think it could play a really cool role kind of going between like talking to the open space committee more and like talk like figuring out what Parcels to prioritize for maybe acquisition with conser ation commission and like doing all these things that are recommended as shared if there's nobody acting as a go
between it could be a cool opportunity because right now there is there isn't that and that was something that was highlighted being part of the comprehensive plan committee like we're like oh you guys care about that like oh open space you want to do that like duplicating work or like applying for
you know or like you're missing complete pieces of the puzzle in conversations like we would bring an angle to something an open space would bring an angle to something that we didn't realize we were on the same page Ona so and as part of the interview process for
that all the lot of the questions for the selectboard had for the future Town Administrator was about communication communication communication so yeah yeah I there's a lot that could be done there so yes I guess I will my next step would
then be to talk to conservation share about what their budget requests may be and probably with you Andrew about um budget requests and seeing if how the CPA money has come into play or not yeah
exactly I think Steve was also confused about that maybe and I also like we've been taking an incremental approach which I also think is like the right approach for Budget reasons obviously but um yeah so we'll see yeah we also got to like got to
request more and then yeah settled for we get right yeah so the bottom line of this request is yep uh FY 24 the appropriation was 19121 as approved uh and for FY 25
you're proposing 23806 that's probably going to go SL up because of that weird error in the P advertising budget so this is what the was this is what was requested and approved last year
23806 yes that was the request last year this is what was requested last year why does that say we're this is fiscal year 26 that we're going to be requesting ons for oh hell you're right it's very okay I'm
sorry yep so so I'm just basically what I wanted to get your all just thoughts on what we where we would increase or stay the same and it sounds like we would increase legal ads yes and I'm going to have a conversation about what but with the
request should be to uh potentially increase the assistant Town planner hours the 179 was for did you say 13 hours at whatever the rate is you know we'll leave that alone but it was 13 hours that money might also be for oh no the stiens aren't with the possibility
of three more hours from CPC perhaps and three more hours from conservation bringing it up to 19 Still Remains a non-benefited position but at least you're here a couple days a week yeah that'd be great so
yeah awesome and soft softly start to tiptoe around the idea of creating a grant role for that position as well at some point in the future maybe not FY 26 but maybe if
that's the vision of yeah left board in a Town Administrator around that for sure okay yeah great sounds good sounds good thanks for that conversation um any other business otherwise I make a motion we
adjourn this meeting all right second any further discussion all in favor I all right the meeting is Jed at 7:21 our next scheduled meeting is January 8th which is the second Wednesday of the month with the first
being the first with the first being the first thanks for coming nice to meet you so happy to be here meet you