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e e e e flag of the United States of America and to the repblic for it stands one nation God indivisible with liberty and justice for all adequate notice of this meeting has
been provided by the annual schedule of regular meetings heree adopted and posted on the public Bulletin board at the municipal building emailed to the Herold news the record and The Gazette and all persons whove requested the mailing of such since November 19 2024 approval of the minutes can have
approval minutes for the regular meeting of February 5th 2025 motion second motion by Leos second by wki roll call wki yes skara yes Sasso obain mey
obain Leos yes Bennett yes Matthews yes motion carries public comment I'll open the meeting to the public if anyone desires to be heard on agenda items please raise your hand and be recognized and come forward to the microphone state your name for the record seeing no one I entertain a
motion to close the public portion of the me motion by skier second by wki all in favor I motion carries adoption of ordinance 2357 d25 an ordinance to fix the 20 25 salaries
wages and compensation of the employees of the B of for Thorne County of bake and the state of New Jersey and now open a meeting to the public if anyone desires to be heard regarding this ordinance please raise your hand to be recognized come forward to the microphone state your name seeing no one I entertain a motion
that the public hearing on this ordinance be closed and that it be resolved this ordinance was posted on the bulletin board on which Public Notices are customarily posted published in the record and made available on the BR website and available to the public now therefore be resolved this ordinance be adopted and the clerk is authorized
to advertise the same according to law have a motion motion by Bennett second by Mee discussion roll call Bennett yes leosa yes mey you say mil yes I did I'm sorry
Sasso yes skara yes wki yes Matthews yes motion carries well business Joe we'll start your way is there any date on the signage question I had at the last meeting 204 wag uh this they were they were told I I
I put a call into them um I'll be honest with you I don't know if it's if it's up or down I haven't been down what up then I'll I'll call you know if they're done renting let's take the rental signs exactly that's it Mike No not tonight thanks Rea not
tonight Bruce no sir and Marie just an update I don't recall forgive me our court date for our favorite resident where are we uh the spoil the matter yeah I was going to report on this but all right it's a third of my report I
don't have a big report I'll retract yeah keep us in suspense yeah uh I'll let you know thank you sir he'll get back to you thank you no any new business Dominic no Marie No thank you Bruce no sir Rea not tonight oh boy Mike
nope Joe I want so let's go okay we'll turn to the administrative agenda presented by mayor Lane thank you Mr President uh tonight I have uh Officer Jim counselor as a permanent officer effective December 26 2024 un
likee the council to have advice and consent have a motion to record motion by Bennett second by leosa roll call wki yes skara yes Sasso yes mil yes leosa yes Bennett yes Matthews yes
motion carries Z officer counselor in the room that's a typo should be advice and concern oops I didn't read it come over this way you put it the camera
you got to look at the camera you're on TV you don't want to mess up your five minutes I state your name I James counselor do solemnly swear do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution that I will support the con stition of the United States of the
United States and the Constitution and the constitution of the state of New Jersey of the state of New Jersey and that I will bear true faith and Allegiance I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same to the same and to the governments established and to the governments established in the united states in the United States and in this state and in this state under
the authority of the people under the authority of the people and will perform the duties of and will perform the duties of police officer police officer of the police department of the police department of the burrow of hathorne of the burrow of foror Faithfully faithfully and partially and partially
and justly and justly to the best of my ability to the best of my ability so help me God so help me God congratulations go around kiss your [Applause] mom go ahead go ahead keep it up
Brook okay congratulations conratulations good J Frank you're make no soup for you find I don't know what I do it I just
keep it it's on John right now did you pay3 hope I had a discount I spoke with psng this afternoon psng has contacted the do to find out if the lights on the Lincoln
Avenue Bridge are psgs or dot lights my contact said that they will have an answer for me in the next day or so and ultimately psng will do the repair on those lights just wanted to inform you that the water bills that were mailed out back in November and December were
not received by many of our residents you can always look at the at your account online through the burrow website by searching how do I and scroll down to pay online for taxes traffic tickets or water bills you can view but
you can you don't have to pay online you can see what you owe we are working with our finance department on altering res alerting residents through the nixel and Facebook that bills are are being mailed out just so you can look look for them in the
mail your water bill route is the first two numbers on your count so far this winter season the DPW has used a little over 1,000 tons of salt on our streets to keep them clean
again I want I ask and I'm sorry again I thank the DPW for the job that they do do they do a fantastic job the streets are free of ice and snow keeping our streets clear right down to the black top also the
burrow purchased a new vac truck and it should be delivered this week again just a reminder AARP is offering tax Aid participation for senior residents through in our library for appointments
please call them at hathorne tax Aid at gmail.com the police department is taking applications for students of seventh and eth grades for the junior Police Academy please see our website
for more information on your uh uh or you can see the the attachment in my Friday letter applications are due no later than March 10th our police department has also posted applications for leadership camp this August please see the
website please slow down and pay attention when driving you will notice that some of the orange standings markers have been removed and the people are now parking in the yellow close to the curb you will be ticketed if you if
the police officer finds that your car is in the yellow again as I have said numerous times throughout the year if you see something that doesn't seem quite right please call our Police Department when you see it so that they can respond
immediately that concludes my report and I'll turn it over to our attorney Michael Pasqua thank you mayor uh on the category of things that don't seem right and don't look right the spoiled the property on diamond bre Avenue remains a
junkyard um it is uh after we made some progress of clearing he has decided to restock it seems and it looks as bad as ever um there were multiple actions pending in the Superior Court which I
reported on at our last meeting andary of course you were not here um in condolences to you the uh last report is that he did not show up for court that the case is not dismissed because
it's a single event but we are consolidating all the cases and will pursue in civil and Criminal Court the cleanup of this atrocious property um the prosecutor in Prospect Park who's
working with us Isam Massy who was our assistant prosecutor here for years and remains are um with us will be speaking with me about ways we can enhance our efforts to uh clean up this mess we are working on it but it's it's tough It's
it's a shame what this man does to our town Grace um on the affordable housing front there is um so far you know we filed our complaint we've heard nothing in response from anybody although that's
not particularly surprising this is not the point where we thought we would have a challenge uh to what we're planning on doing of Interest as a couple of things that are happening Statewide s Senator Buco has advanced a bill that would
adopt the what the Institute local government attorneys calculated as a correct way of measuring fair share or housing obligation not based on the number of units that are needed because families were created or moved to the
state but rather based on realistic numbers of building permits and certificates of occupancy what is the realistic development potential for our State the numbers will go down by about 23 if passed um the league of
municipalities has elected to support that legislation so the league will get behind it um whether or not it gets through or not it's on the agenda and it's on the agenda come November when
people go to The Ballot Box and uh you know have their say also so it is an issue that is being fought and the 28 municipalities that are part of the monil lawsuit have filed a new lawsuit challenging a directive issued by judge
Grant of the administrative office of Courts implementing the fair housing act and some of the ways that he's chosen to implement do seem to run counter to the ACT including the fact that everybody
before they submit their plans has to send it to fair share housing so they can review it which is just not found anywhere in the act so there's a you know stay tuned but there's a lot yet to
be done on this in the meantime we're proceeding with our plans uh John sa will be working on our housing element of fair share plan which will get to the planning board you know we have to adopt by the end of June uh finally the Pell committee will be meeting next week you
will be getting solicitations in the coming weeks for those who contributed before please do so again the cost of performance is going up as you would imagine and so uh anything people can do if you haven't given before please do we
try to present in fact we do present uh 10 weeks of performers over uh all different types and genres of music plays uh again we do 10 weeks 10 performers and the cost is significant
but we do it at zero cost to the taxpayers so as a result if you can give please do give solicitation will be coming in the next two weeks and we'll be booking bands I can advise that on
the Sunday after Father's Day uh Health willing Joe zes and friends will be here they're still alive and and on July 27th I believe is a date it's the last Sunday
in July Captain Jack is booked so that's always a good one and that mayor concludes my report thank you Michael now turn it over to our engineer Joe burn thank you mayor uh the galvanized water service line replacement phase 3 project uh currently the contractor has
completed about half of the 200 services on Third Avenue uh the County Road opening permit for Diamond Bridge Avenue has been received um however it is currently weather dependent as the contractor will have to reach out to the
county um where the county will examine the weather report you know looking out 10 days to determine if they can proceed with the work otherwise um March 15th is a hard date that they'll be able to start that so
um otherwise the uh contractor will continue completing uh services on Municipal owned roads assuming that they won't be able to move forward with diamond Bridge Avenue um but we're our fingers are crossed for good weather once a Third Avenue is
completed uh for the combined uh 2024 2025 Road uh program uh the design documents have been uh were bless you were uh previously submitted to NJ moves ibank
uh comments were received and are currently being addressed prior to resubmission to the same uh the Franklin Field bleacher improvements uh the electric work has been completed and has passed inspection uh the installation of the AV Equipment is currently being
coordinated and uh wagger off Fields uh two and three bleacher improvements uh Boswell is currently drafting the plans and design documents for the same and that concludes my report mayor thank you Joe and now turn it over to our administrator Eric ma thank you mayor um our extremely
short-handed fin finance department is finally getting some new help Sue webe started part-time this week as payroll accounts payable clerk to receive training and will be joining us full-time at the beginning of next month in the meantime roxan Hammond will start next week filling the role of water
billing clerk uh thanks to finance director Lori Foley and Deputy tax collector Joanne kosoto for holding down the fort over the past couple months uh resolution R 4225 authorizes the sale of a Truck Body removed from a burrow truck
to the township of Blairstown a transaction that will benefit both municipalities uh you we may recall that four weeks ago I reported we had a flood at our gole road water pump station um this is where uh one of the pipes had
been removed for repair and the supply pipe and the closed valve there ruptured allowing water to pour into the station up to a depth about 4 ft before the pump station door blew off which then discharged water under the street every everything electrical within the pump
station was ruined um we've been assessing the damage and what's necessary to fix it the total cost will be about $255,000 fortunately we expect that a good portion of this cost should be covered by Insurance um one component costing about
48,000 that has a lead time of up to 12 weeks um since it needs to be custom made this is an emergency since without the station in operation who will will be unable to keep Peach Tree tank and fair viiew tank filled during summer demand conditions therefore we we're
issuing a PO now to to the supplier and we'll followed up with an emergency purchasing resolution at the next meeting we will also need emergency authorization for the rest of the work uh there isn't enough time to do plans and specs for bidding that work in order to get plans completed in the time frame
that we need them beyond that it's been all budget all the time as the administration prepares for 20 2 budget discussions with the finance committee beginning tomorrow evening and that concludes my report thank you Eric Mr President will answer any questions that
the council may have any questions for the administration no all right so just to uh the background for what the mayor alluded to for the bridge lighting on Lincoln a the week after Thanksgiving
I submitted a request to psng because the lights were blank January 6th I put in a request to the Pake County that the lights continue to Blink well time went on and on I was sending reminders yesterday I sent a
reminder to Mayor Lane and lo and behold the ball is rolling so thank you very much mayor the lights continue to Blink four out of five are blinking one is completely dark so if you go over to Lincoln a bridge oh there it's dark since Thanksgiving
there's a blinking light outside State County College so you could notify the county of that too you got that it's been blinking since uh September there's one on that uh used car lot right past the Lincoln a bridge
too when the when the LEDs go bad they just blink sometimes and sometimes they they're blinking at the full lumens but sometimes they it's much less you know the ones on the bridge are are less
thank you m No not tonight um Joe just following up with your report about the project on diamond Bridge Avenue the phase three and Michael so we have that nice gentleman
on diamond Bridge Avenue I'm sure that's one of the properties that they're going right we're going on both sides at Diamond Bridge correct so are we going to have could we potentially have issues if trying to get in the house where that where the water main is cuz we have to go to the meter
to see I mean the digging is all underground but you have to get in the house we could very well have issues there's no doubt about it we may not be able to do that property because uh allowing people into that house is
unsafe correct it's a hoarding condition from what I understand and it could be a real problem so can I make a suggestion when you get to that house El you may want to call the police also I mean we're going to have traffic National Guard well we're going to have traffic control on that street because you're
going to be digging Diamond Bridge is a county road but I'm just more concerned of safety Raina I don't really want our people or even the contractor going into that house even if the police are there uh it's just I agree with Michael I've
never been in and I don't intend to go in but from what I hear it's it's that's fine as long as we just it's A's house yeah I know the fire depart I'm concerned the fire department won't go in the house if there's a problem they'd probably fight the fire from the outside they said they won't go in because it's
that dangerous I don't blame them I'll um I'll confirm whether that property is included in the um list of properties for services to be replaced if it is um I'll might just want to just I'll coordinate with the burrow and the
inspectors and the contractor and get a plan in place sounds good thanks nothing quick question from Michael does it I should probably know this does every state in the Union have affordable housing
legislation in place or is it just certain States New Jersey was the first we are the leaders um not every state does have anything Most states have nothing really resembling what we have our
Supreme Court in New Jersey determined that affordable housing is a constitutional right um those words which paragraph is that in yeah it's it's not you can look and read it backwards and forwards all day long you'll never find that it's in the penum
I suppose like the rights of privacy in the Supreme Court of United States decisions but uh it doesn't exist so a lot of states have chosen not to follow that same lead and Elevate affordable housing to a
constitutional level now I again there's most of us agree that you know housing is something that's important but to raise it to the level of constitutional we should have taken a constitutional amendment not a jur a um
judicial Fiat we'll call it the cities don't to do it though right the cities don't have to do it that's correct the Exempted parties are Urban Aid communities um and in fact there's a need for affordable housing there too right but it doesn't fall on that there
was a determination that everybody wanted to live the American dream and move to the suburbs well the truth is people are moving back to cities and that's what's happening so uh legislation has never kept up with that thank
you so thank you my questions are for you Mike I have a new one so in the situation with that particular home on diamond Bridge are we indemnified if we don't I I don't like that I don't like
him with our resident who is nothing but a boil on our tus tokus um we can't go into home because it's unsafe our First Responders we are indemnified correct if we don't go in well it's not a question our First Responders who are we we
cannot ask our people to put their lives at risk in performing an operation no different from the fact that they're not going to go into a blazing building and run up the staircase if in fact that's dangerous rightfully so but we happen to have a resident who loves to be
litigious I just want to hear from you that he he's listen people can sue all day long we know that we have the right not to put our First Responders at risk right of course okay thank you that wasn't my question so going back to affordable housing can
we um present our case on it's a two-phase because I remember you saying that their calculations in our humble opinion was also you know they used land that is not usable right so we can it could it be a two yes you're arguing it up and down in Every Which Way but
um also um using that formula that the park and mountains are not usable land that's what we did when John prepared his report it reduced the dca's number from 300 to
186 so that was the first part so using the formulation that's in place right now we determined that the number should have been 186 which is still ridiculously high but it's a lot lower than 300 so that's our first step again
it's always possible that that number gets cut by you know 2/3 and all of a sudden Hawthorne has a realistic development potential of 60 units over 10 years that actually might be doable
you're talking about building 300 new units of housing in the entire burough over 10 years um 60 of which are affordable you know give us something realistic we'll take a swing at it what's the punishment to uh each municipality that's doled out such a
Penance if we are unable to achieve the numbers they give us if you can't achieve the number you get we've gotten before what's called a vacant land adjustment so you petition in your uh plan for a vacant land adjustment we say
we don't have enough land that is vacant and developable to give us the yield you're looking for so basically we are held to be Inc compliance but we carry forward this humongous burden of what's called called
an unmet need going forward so suddenly we have tremendous amounts of vacant land like we discover land somewhere um somebody unlock the magic gate and we've got land we acquire another town so so it's always been the case we've always
had a a deficit of affordable housing that we can't comply with because we just can't yeah we do we have a deficit of so there's no numeric like no we're not fined no no okay no the only thing that just D out
these numbers costes money because but that what can happen is somebody can challenge your plan before it's adopted which happened in 204 Wag It Happened on gole road and you know somebody could file what's called a builder remedy
lawsuit if one is authorized got it and so that becomes an issue you could be sued um which could happen here could happen with us uh in this round of housing and it could happen at any time
okay well there's mitigating factors to that argument too yeah okay so but of course this money didn't right your legal feed this person Fe we spent a tremendous amount of money on Lafayette Hills they spent a lot more um but uh yeah there's 15 years of
litigation here's a $64,000 Question there 64,000 um is there is there a time frame that you can expect some sort of response from your initial um suit or or argument to to the courts that hey we can't comply with this this
is how we figure it is there a year uh six months when do when do you expect a response end of February anybody who objects to our plan has until the end of February to come up with their own numbers to say why our numbers are wrong
and DCA let's be clear here DCA had candidly admitted they were given very little to work with they came up with the number 300 for us and they said we really can't tell you that number is right we had to come up with
562 of those numbers less Urban eight communities so called 440 something like that and they told us we you know your numbers may be more accurate we are confident our numbers way more accurate I don't really expect somebody's going
to challenge our raw number of 100 86 but they have until the end of February if nobody challenges by the end of February then we have determined our own number that's great news thank you yeah thank
you Joe on the replacement of the pipes from galvanite to Copper they they have to dig in the streets right uh yeah well no left I I live on lafet Avenue and it's concrete are they have a problem digging through the concrete I mean is that extra money 22
for the them to do this cuz years ago there was a trolley remember you know there was trolley tracks in there stuff like that it's not like the roun well I wasn't there but I know they're there I've got counil right at the and and a good portion of Lafayette
Avenue it's already Copper from the main to the curb stop so it so and depending on where that area is on Lafayette Avenue they may not have to dig in the street on Lafayette Avenue CU they came to my house the other day and they said they had to they there's galvanizes from
the street in in the street or in the uh or out to the curb stop oh if it's only after to the curb stop then it's not into the street itself but but we can look into that address and and and compare that they took already the cops they were there the guys there the other
day okay just curious that's all that's it anything else for you mayor that concludes the uh report from Administration have a motion to record the administrative agenda so I'll move motion by meing second by Bennett all in favor I motion carries introduction of
ordinances we have ordinance number 23 63-2 uh I just want to note that there was a uh it's been amended to remove a sentence in section 505-5455 Article 2 sections 5055e Limits schedule 505
5-54 semicolon 5058 prohibited turns at intersections schedule 505-5735 d59 semicolon so as to there to certain additional locations as to add there two more pre resolve this ordinance is now
passed first reading and said ordinance be further considered for final passage at a meeting of the governing body in the munal building 445 Lafayette Avenue for Thor New Jersey on March 19th 2025 and at said time and place all persons is persons interested will be given an opportunity to be heard
concerning the same and the clerk is hereby authorized and directed to publish the ordinance in the record once at least one week prior to the said hearing with the notice of its introduction and time in place when and where said ordinance would be considered for final passage have a motion
anybody all right I'll move it motion by Bennett second by for introduction yep don't throw the baby out with the bath order Joe but I just got it across my desk tonight oh you got the new one on tonight okay and his sister Jack lure on
that he picked up the typ up oh you picked it up too yeah I got have start sharing Fe with them you don't have a second so far no am I precluded from doing it myself yeah you're asking for a second so basically
the introduction of the ordinance would fail for lack of a second well is there areas of well I can't really have a discussion until I have a motion in a second that's correct I'll second all right second by skier obviously this is to do some uh
speed limit changes to lower them on goel there sections of 40 miles an hour we wanted to lower it to 35 uh 30 but the county said 35 or 25 and if you go behind somebody doing 25 on Goa Road you're
going to be hunking your horn at them so that's one and then there was other ones uh for no left turns through North Watchung off of RAV and uh Pasadena and then up the hill is to prohibit the
right hand turn onto gole from Ray um because of the leading left that would allow the traffic to Flow by so who's got problems with what section I have a problem enforcing it
well that's not our problem okay well I mean there'll be oh and this is only for certain times too 6:00 to 9 uh in the morning and 3: to 6:00 in the evening it'll be up to the police Department to enforce it so if that's your
issue Frank um so I have several questions about the report and just trying to understand what we're trying to do and trying to solve because on
page get my stickies on page eight the exhibit three try and understand from the report we're trying to not have cars go down like RAB and make that left onto W Chong um but the
traffic numbers don't really add up when you start from the top from before favor you have a total of um 567 cars coming down and then the next point where you're turning to Ray
to W Chong it's different numbers it's 606 so somehow as you're going down that bend you're getting more cars which doesn't make any sense does to C off a favor yeah but we already have in included
that to it but that's just one point but the bottom line is you're trying to take traffic from Ray going down Ray going up not to go to w but also you were looking at Faber and then you were looking at
Pasadena and right now with all those places from a traffic signal you're fine there's not like any bad areas except on favor it takes a little bit longer to make that left but other than that the traffic is Flowing we don't have any
issues so you're trying to get the traffic not going to the left to the Wang you're going all the way down you can't make that left Pasadena which we don't even have any issues on Pasadena making that left according to the report but then the report doesn't take
any consideration of all the flow that's coming up RAV in wet trong like you can't stop the traffic like you're stopping the traffic going one way making a left but there's traffic coming up which is basically the same that
you're going down so like basically you're going from RAB to wung making that left you were making like 300 cars 302 in the morning in the afternoon it's 298 but at the same token what's coming
up gole to northw trunk is the same amount so I don't understand how you're um Co like resolving the problem making a left because you still have cars coming up those houses still have to get out of their their houses but you're going to have you're just going
to stop the flow going one way but you still have traffic going up there's no accounting for any of that flow that's going up the mountain the traffic the traffic study was performed for the spe specific reason
that the traffic going coming down RAV extension from North Halen uh and making a left turn onto North watchong and then going on to Wong in the mornings it's backed up past the
Curve up onto North Wong from the five corners and it it prohibits people from getting out of their driveway on the right side or the left side of the street well coming down thehill traffic coming down the hill traffic they weren't looking at the uphill flow yeah
but the UPF flow is the same as the down flow but the UPF flow is continuing right into North Halen yeah it's not the the traffic coming up the hill is not stopped going down the hill it's stopped because it's backed up from the
traffic light when it's coming up the hill it keeps going because it's but the traffic light at that signal you talking you talking Wong North Wong and G road yeah you're basically b c and d and you're
passing on page 12 the up was not the concern it was the down well no I'm looking at the numbers right here the peak Raina it was the there's no volume here hello
hello uh oh did we lose signal hold on okay TR now okay okay Raina the the traffic is coming into hathorne from other communities and that is what the problem is when they make a left turn onto North watchong and then
they go down to watchong and then they stop at the red light at Five Corners you only have the maximum of seven cars going through that light at the timing of the light and the county also agreed that there
should be something uh there to prohibit uh cars during the which would be the the peak hours of 6:00 to 9:00 a.m. pertaining to you know the residents of the burrow uh on that on what North Wong
and on watchong and the and the no left turn onto Pasadena uh I have to disagree with you the I don't care what the traffic study says the car is cut through there constantly all morning long uh and basically all day long during the day
it's a little bit less but all morning long with regard to the stop signs that we put in like two years ago they just roll right through them and continue to continue to get down either they go down to Wun to miss the light or they go down Ivan or POC uh because they don't go all
the way down to wung because they're going to get tied up again with the traffic coming down the hill but but that's exactly what the residents were saying is that the stop signs are there and they're rolling through them already so there's no enforcement of what's already there and now we're going to add something else that who's going to
enforce because if they're not enforcing what we already have because they're going through the stop signs on Pasadena we're just add more legis you know we're putting more laws out there that are already not being enforced well with the with the uh once the the council
committee uh basically gave it it the green light to go I did have a meeting with the traffic department and the U the captains and the chief and they they said that there will be
enforcement there there's no enforcement I would note that from the uh time starting about January as the our new officers have come off field training and now we have a full traffic Bureau that we envision for the
first time the the uh the numbers of of of tickets throughout the buau H has has reached a a new high in January and we're probably going to have something similar in February what we what we we now have the people to do the
enforcement that which is one of the things that was promised when when we sought the uh addition of the of of more officers and so where you may not have seen something in the past I don't think that that is
necessarily um indicative of what's going to be happening going forward because we do have um a higher level of Staffing it's taken a while but by the time all of these officers that were hired went to the academy went through
field train TR and now they are actually on the job we're we're going to see something different we're already seeing it in January there was a lot of summonses issued in January all right I just want to ask a few questions if you don't mind
um just to bring up what councilwoman Li alsoo uh mentioned about the traffic going up rayev extension opposed to coming down um I think our Focus was coming down when we when we when the audience committee discussed this that's
correct that I I couldn't imagine a lot of people coming up rayev extension to go back down watchong I it I'm sure this this happens but I'm sure it's not a lot would make a lot of sense if you're already down on Gall road to come up to go back down would make a lot of sense
but I'm not going to say it can't happen that was the first but that that excuse me that wasn't the the purpose of the traffic study I agree I'm trying to clarify okay trying to clarify um as far as Pasadena um whether the traffic study
showed that people are cutting through or not I think it's going to be natural that if you cut off Watchung they're gonna use Pasadena if they haven't done already I think that's going to happen that's I'm just trying to use common
sense they cut off listen it's a light the lights already red let me make the left on Pasadena so that was something that we we we would normally see now a little more activity happening than we would have saw before well the ordinance
also says uh the proposed ordinance is that there's no left turn between 6:00 and 9: in the morning on the Pasadena so I'm just trying to clarify I'm trying to clarify for the council what that's for okay he's agreeing with you yeah yeah I'm on your side here I'm trying all
right fine now we also the committee had some a lot of concerns about um you know the timing that's where we narrow it down to the time of day that we did this also the concerns of blocking off favor uh that was a concern initially too um I
don't think there's any right or wrong answer I think we're trying to see if this can work to relieve some of the pressure that's put on people that live on North W Chung um you know I I know as as being the chair of the committee I
was trying to say I don't want to push one problem to another area I I did like the idea that we have we're going to have a leftand lane turn on goel road I think that makes a lot rayev uh uh that makes a lot of sense and it's going to relieve a lot of pressure um
you know the best way I could say is let's see what happens with this all right just a comment about in the past was there not a triangle there on wat on wat on the corner of Ray
yes there was there was I think didn't the county after it was installed make us remove it that's why you had the orange things there for a while I'm just saying we're going what was we're trying to do again and I'm I
would like here's my request let me see some enforcement because we're putting in a lot of ordinances that we put in how long have those no those stop signs not been enforced forced but they're not enforced I watch
no I live there I I grew up at 204 I'm not going to argue with you Joe just another point so what you're going to do is people are not going to be able make a left on Wang and then going down you can't make that Pasadena
they're going to start the 495 that 567 that's coming up from the top they're just going to go on favor and cut that way because it's easier from the top to go down goel road to go to 208 if that's where all they're
going you're just going to be I I feel like you're just taking this traffic you're going to just be moving it higher up up on the up favor takes you to 208 North the watang takes you to 28 South that's really what the cut take you to
both directions of two they're going to take you to bever they're going to take Beverly and they're going to come down yes but nobody is going to go all the way to Grand View rather than go to the traffic no I don't have a crystal ball but I would just I'm I don't mean to overt talk just by nature of the weit
times of the high listen I want this to work we want our residents to be happy but we don't want other the people the you know I'm just looking at the high travel times and at at the problem
area right which is north Wong and gel the longest way time is 69 seconds we talked about maybe calibrating that light at Faber and RAB extension making the left the longest weit time is 58 seconds
so you you know look there are more people there are more cars we understand that we can't control the population my and I do apologize for going out of turn I and I this is tacking on to what Raina was saying if we redirect the bulk
of that traffic on North watch it's going to go somewhere else and it's going to go into our neighborhood versus a road a street we just have to be really cognizant of that you know and it's going to bottleneck down at Ray and goo and then go to fav so I'm I'm
acutely I'm really really aware of that looking at these weight times you're talking 9 seconds difference between what seems to be the problem and what no one's complaining about waiting from favor on to R extension during the PE hours which is 1 hour in the morning
according to this report and 1 hour in the afternoon and we're prohibiting people 3 hours in the morning and 3 hours in the afternoon by nature of this report well when we were in and you were there as part of the committee I know um
we we gave it uh a great deal of time with regard to should we on favor drive or shouldn't we and I think the committee said let's wait until such times as maybe we'll implement it and see what happens and my first comment was always
is this a safety issue and there's nothing in here that says there's a safety issue sir like this is someone this is a quality of life issue I if that's the case fine but it's a quality of life issue for one segment of that road but are we going to shift it to a
whole neighborhood I think it's a quality of life issue that's what it is when you when you get out of when you get out of your home and try to pull your car out or back your car up 69 Drive maximum then you're going to have you're going
to sit there because waiting 58 seconds to come from favor on the gray have extension we can't control everything but maybe calibrating the timing of that light may be part of the solution because we can't control everything but if we take the bulk of that traffic and put it into a neighborhood where there's
a lot more homes that are going to be affected Beverly Road Faber a lot more homes than that section I'm not saying one is more valuable than the other but it's going to be more residents are going to be affected by this decision we're making I'm really
taking this very seriously it's maybe calibrating the timing of that light maybe the light should be it has to be faster so the traffic moves quicker during those peak hours for at that part of you know North watchong and and goel my comments were based on this we wait a
long time to get this this is a quality of life issue we take that seriously thankfully it's not a safety issue also thankfully we know that Ray AV and goel there's a safety issue there there's been far too many accidents there we don't want more pressure there traffic-wise
sadly we've had too many accidents there so I'm not a proponent of putting more traffic there then then that's already there it's a wonderful thing putting that left turn lane there and keeping the right turn on red because we need to keep that flowing the no turn on red
coming upab perfect it's what's require ired but driving more traffic there and more traffic into the neighborhood I I'm I'm concerned you know conc it's it's something that I was asked by the
neighbors there to look into which I did of course and this is this is the results of it it's you're the counsel you can you make the laws you can pass them or not pass them but we have to talk and we're talking right so this report says 7:15 8:15 in the morning is
high traffic 3:15 to 4:15 in the afternoon it just has to make sense for everybody so let's talk is calibrating the light to make it quicker an option teach me well I think one of the key components to what the mayor is trying to do is putting in the left hand
lane which turn for me and and calibrating and then and then the no right hand turn on red so I mean sounds like we're all in agreement on that yeah so the only question that you're talking about the restrictions through North wat
wor go to fa Beverly and those resins are going to be very unhappy that traffic those are those are neighborhoods there's no lines in the roads there I know but right now you you're going through the neighborhoods but what this is proposing to do is going to be put on County Roads well so
North that section it's a solid line roads so it's there I say understood that it's more highly trafficked versus Road that have no lines in them right you can do nothing or we could try something and it doesn't work we could
change it we should do something to the best of our ability right that's why we're talking but Frank the thing is when you look at page 12 about the traffic in the signals in the in in the letters in the traffic like goer Road
gol Hill Road North W trun three-phase operation it's 94 second cycle the intersection is D during the morning morning and the afternoon it's C and Peak D is acceptable so right now
according to the traffic report it's flowing so if we increase this 94 seconds maybe we'll get more cars going and maybe we can actually move some of these levels of traffic because the ray AV and gole is 95 seconds 1 second more
and it's B in the morning and D in the afternoon so I mean just looking at that I mean one second does that make I'm G to ask the engineer increasing the light one second can you move a level in your traffic bands from the
letters I don't know what they're called they're on this page they explain what it is it's a grading grading sorry um it would obviously depend on the intersection in question um one
second I'm hesitant to say yes okay it's something I would need to consult more with my traffic team okay so because there's not much difference between RAV and gole and then the three corners well actually it's five corners
down there with the lights so because the other Corners have the left turn Lanes or two lanes and North watchong is the only one that doesn't so I think the only Movement we have would be the timing of that light is it are we able to calibrate the timing based on the
highly trafficked hours can we calibrate that light according to when it's there's more traffic and then is that possible the problem is right now it's not just calibration you have to reconfigure the intersection so that you
have a left-and lane so that it's dedicated right now if you're behind somebody that's going straight you can't make it at turn do that what do you mean CH but I mean look if Wong is if watchong more congestion so do all the other roads but the light is what's determining the backup and why people
are are going off course so if we speed that up in my Common Sense praying it it would be okay to speed all the others because there also have a lot of traffic too it's not just Wong that has traffic at that time all the roads are highly trafficked at that time right wouldn't be a terrible thing well we should want
it to stay on Ray and goel in a perfect world yes yes I mean we did great work mayor listened when we brought it to him about putting up the over overweight signs to keep the dump trucks off of
watchong we don't want those on our our you know residential streets um we want to address a residents issues um to the best of our ability I don't know in my humble opinion what else we could do other than calibrate that I
just don't want you can't to create you can't calibrate a a I don't believe you can calibrate the timing of the light for a certain period of time and then have it changed back to another set of time
because it it's past that time limit which say let's say 9:00 okay so after 9 o' it goes back to a different time I don't think you can make the timers that way there may be signals that can do that but I'm sure that would require replacement of
everything there and that's a huge expenditure so you know so but the existing equipment probably doesn't have the ability to do that I mean we could Ponder would it be a horrible thing if that light were I don't know 20 seconds faster versus the 96 seconds if it were
76 seconds to help the flow go faster all day long is that a terrible solution I don't know I'm just tossing I'm I'm I'm brainstorming but the traff is going to back up on on right hav extension if you can't make the left the I'm saying
in in in of no left yeah that's what we're saying make a left you can still make a left but you're doing something at the light you're doing it at the problem so that it's not backed up but you can't just keep making left CU then traffic on golf roads going to come this way so you have to wait till that traffic stops so no travel is going to
back up or you have an extension you do what you want I don't think we're on the same page doic yes okay so what we have here is a failure to communicate um so we can e there's been a motion and a second made you can vote
table to table it uh if I have a motion to do that or we could vote to accept or reject I'll make a motion table I'll second that okay can we say yes to two parts of it Noe no it's all them together nope it's all one or the other no because my favorite part is the no
the left turn and the right turn at Ray and Gothel and you don't even need speed limit and the and the what the council can consider is a if you vote the table to separate parts so we deal with those parts that everybody no nobody
complained about 35 M hour on go Road and nobody complained about the right turn and left turn lane so perhaps we just reintroduce next meeting as a different separate separate issues we'll do one spe limit one for the left one
for the speed limit and right restriction right and then the next one I guess would be the side streets side streets are going to be a separate issue because that seems to be all the contention is correct but I do believe if we do get the left thing going you'll
have less traffic that will be backing up on Raya the left so you know the lead left does not require action of the council that's just a matter of restriping the road the no right on red does require the council action why why
doesn't it require because now we're changing we're creating a dedicated leftand turn signal yeah that doesn't require because all you're doing is creating traffic enforcement issues where you can issue a summons so if somebody makes a right on red they can get a summons creating the left turn
lane is not something that's summonable um you go through it right that's true but but we can still create that lane you know as a municipality I will defer yeah I have some questions if
you quick but you so your your current motion is a motion to table it's a second there's no discussion on a motion to table I wasn't discussing that okay so but I think you need we're in vote time yeah I
agree so this is a vote council president as you know on the motion to to table it all yep and go back to the drawing board with separate pieces roll call I apologize I um heard what motion to table second and who
would then D correct I didn't remember that either okay thank you we'll call Bennett yes to table yes leosa yes to table mey yes to table Sasso yes to table skara
yes to table wki yes to table Matthews yes thank you motion carries to table resolutions we have to set agenda R 38 -25 to 43-25 R 38-25 state tax appeal R 39-25
state tax appeal R 40-25 state tax appeal R 41-25 state tax appeal R 42-25 sale of a truck body to a Township of Blairstown and R 43-25 is the project close out and escrow release of the
hedges at 204 wager Road ke a motion so move Sasso second uh motion by Mee second by sass Michael you were busy with tax appeals this is actually just cutting the checks for those that have already been
settled now there's been concern from councilman wki about the signage it's still up can that be a condition of approval of 43-25 for the release to be issued upon removal of the rental sign I don't know that we could do that because
a violation of our zoning ordinance it is except that the council already authorized the tax tax the tax appeal no no this is Project close out oh project close out I'm sorry Frank I thought you meant the tax appeals no no um so
project close out 4325 you can if that's what you wish Joseph I feel that the bedan associates will take the signs down so I'm I'm okay with letting it ride I stick up for no no I hear you your nose I just I'm not
snubbing your nose I just feel like no I love it thank you Frank but everything we've asked of the bedom associates they've complied so I don't want to be a hard mented fully rented to my knowledge it's fully rented it is all right real cool then
okay what Tey abstain on the one for Blairstown please yes on all others that is uh 42-25 thank you skara yes tasso yes M yes Le
yes Bennett they came from Matthews yes report to special Council committees Dominic we'll start your way okay um I'll give a brief me U brief report on the Miss Alliance we acquired some money
from a opio um so we're adding money to Leadership Camp we're dropping we're requesting the price to drop from $85 to $60 per person so we're giving them money we're also giving money to we G we gave money to the police department for
this this here as brochure we're giving money to the band shell and a couple other ones we haven't discussed yet but we're working on it fire department and ambulance Corps for for courses on on drugs so we're going to use the money in uh a
nice way okay and at tomorrow at 4:30 we have a finance meeting everybody that's it an Marie yes sir the um oror ambulance Corps is hosting a CPR trading
course on March 22nd it is $50 a person if you are interested please contact them and sign up these um courses are amazing and they do sell out quickly our Board of Education had their meeting last night and they have some amazing things happening um the
elementary school is hosting their first annual Elementary Multicultural night on February 27th at 6:30 at the high school um it looks to be a really enjoyable um event so please um contact them well it says by the 24th of January but I'm sure
there there's latitude on that um attend it's going to be a terrific uh event and I'm sure of many years to come the high school uh Explorer program has partnered up with hackensac University Medical Center um for high school seniors seeking a career in the
medical field what a phenomenal opportunity for our seniors um the kindergarten registration has begun for as of January 27th for all students who would like to start kindergarten this year in September so please go to the burrow burrow Board of
Education website for information our leadership camp that our police officers uh sponsor um registration has begun for all incoming sixth graders that also is an amazing program it's one week in August um as a mom who's both both of
her kids went through it it really is very beneficial to kids I don't know if it fills up actually but I encourage everyone it does so don't wait registration goes until June don't wait till June parents I encourage you to um sign your children
up I have to say that um the Stu I'm almost done one more thing the student council representative William gof put on quite the report I was very impressed by him I'm not going to go into detail and I just want to personally thank
Council Mayor Michael Eric everyone for um their kind thoughts about my Dad's passing uh mentioning in the last meeting and um Board of Education um those that mentioned him at the meeting last night it means everything to me so
thank you very much um the next Board of Education meeting will be March 18th which is my father's birthday St Joseph's czon get them and um that meeting will be held at Washington school at 7:00 that concludes my report
Bruce uh yes the board of wre met last week and uh major item of Interest the board of wre has formulated a new stricter code of conduct which all sports organizations in town will be uh
it'll be mandatory that they implement this new code of conduct and the problem is is that um the different sports until now have basically formulated their own codes of conduct which to some degree agree and some disagree the spring
Sports have already sent out their codes of conduct so they will be grandfathered but beginning with the summer and fall Sports all of the organizations will have to implement the new code of conduct so that's where it stands spring
Sports everything's good summer full new code of conduct okay BR um just want to announce that we're going to extend the uh community garden um deadline it was today um we have one application we have four beds available
so please get them in I'm going to say the new deadline is next Friday February 28th so um mayor will put that in his letter um but we are looking for um some new people to the community garden because there's four beds available
thank you Mike uh I don't have any committee notes but I think uh we'll share that we will uh reach out to all the audiance committee it seems like we need to uh speak about the yeah speak about this tabled uh
ordinance Joe it I was just waiting yep um just so you know I hear Michael's interested in the community garden he was he was whispering it to me I said okay El I'll mention it Board of Health rabies clinic is March 13th in the pool lot can we start
putting that out as nixel please and thank you you got to go get your shot my dog passed away Man March 13th you can get the shot I'm not taking the shot she just got it too what a waste
is that all that's all okay planning board met last night but I was unable to attend I understand there was one application that was heard regarding someone who's interested in moving into the electro plating uh company that moved out on Lincoln Avenue
um that's all I have correspondence we have none but we have bills have a motion to approve the bills and send them to the treasurer for payment so move second motion by skier second by leosa any discussion on any of bills roll
call Bennett yes leosa yes mey yes Sasso yes skara abstain on Ridgewood press yes on all others wki abstain on the fire department yes on all others Matthews yes motion carries public comment I'll now open the meeting to the public anyone desires to be heard please raise
your hand to be recognized come forward to the microphone and state your name for the [Music] record anyone seeing no one Iain a motion to close portion of the me mov motion by wki second by skir all in favor
I okay uh next we have some slow session time so pursuant to njsa 10 col 4-13 the Attorney General's formal opinion 29 1976 I entertain a motion to adopt the resolution of Cs 0125 the public be
excluded from the portion of the meeting in order at the