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It's December 22nd, 2025. It's 7:06. I call tonight's special meeting to order. Roll call. >> I'm here. >> Leosa >> here. >> Millie. >> Sasso >> here. >> Skiara >> here. >> Waki
>> here. >> Matthews >> here. >> Please rise and join us in the pledge of allegiance. >> Algiance the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
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We have discussion to discuss our fourth round affordable housing compliance. I'm going to turn it over to our attorney to kind of give a a summary of why we're here, what we need to do, when we need to do it by, and what the ramifications are.
>> Laurier, sir. >> Thank you, council president. Um, some of this is going to be old territory, particularly for members of the council, but for people who are listening in the public, we want to make sure there's an understanding of why we're here, what it is that we are
doing. Um, in 2024, October 2024, Governor Murphy signed into law amendments to the Fair Housing Act. Those amendments uh also called the Fair Housing Act 2
substantially change the way in which affordable housing is required to be constructed in the state of New Jersey and what fair shares are for every municipality. There
was a process. The process began at the end of last year with the DCA being tasked with coming up with numbers based upon formulations that were determined um by a series of experts living in
Trenton, not here, and uh living in Ivory Towers, not like the rest of us, who decided how much affordable housing the state of New Jersey needed to produce in the next 10 years. It was not based on building permits or what might
be sustainable in terms of growth. It was simply based upon a notion of how many households were coming into existence in the next decade that are likely to be in need of affordable housing. They then allocated those
numbers over municipalities excluding all urban aid municipalities. Now they counted the urban aid municipalities in terms of producing the persons in need of affordable housing
but they excluded them from the mix. So that uh 37% of the need comes from urban areas. When I say urban aid, we're talking towns
like Hoboken, Asbury Park, you know, good luck finding affordable housing. >> Patterson, >> well, Patterson's certainly among them. And yes, Patterson is clearly an urban a municipality in need of support. Don't
know how Hoboken and Asbury Park fall onto that same list, but they do. So what happens is they then allocated those numbers to municipalities and we were told we need to develop 279
affordable housing units in the next 10 years in this town. That's 20% of the total housing, which would mean we would be creating roughly 12 to,300 units of housing in
this fully developed community. Um, which of course makes no sense. We filed our complaint that we were required to, which would be to indicate we intend to try to comply with the act that we were going to participate in
what was called a uh mediation program, an alternative dispute resolution program which was under the opaces of the courts. So you had the administrative side of things, the judicial side of things and also a legislative. So all branches of
government are involved here. Um we reduced our number to 200 which means we only have to build a thousand a thousand housing units in our community in the next 10 years which is also quite impossible.
We filed what's called a housing element and fair share plan. But this was only after we received challenges from fair share housing which is a statewide group that are challenging uh plans all over the state and a developer named Dugan
Development strike that we filed our housing element first uh only after we settled on our numbers. We then uh completed that John Savo from our planning office of Burgess Engine
Burgess Associates prepared the plan. It was submitted and it was challenged by two entities Fairshare Housing which challenged the overall plan and an owner of property at
one Washington Avenue which is pan chemical site named Dugan Development. Dugan was very sightsp specific and claimed that it was able to develop that property with more housing than we thought was really feasible on the site
in our first goround. Excuse me. The matter proceeded. We were assigned a judge named Steven Hanssbury retired from Mars County who oversaw things. Christine Kafone was our special master. We have worked with her before. uh she's
very good at what she does. She's a professional planner, but her job is to try to bring the parties together towards settlement. And for the last 5 months, that's what we've been doing. Because by December 31st,
every community either has to have a settled affordable housing litigation or expose itself to the possibility of builder's remedy lawsuits. And that's ultimately what could happen if a town does not have a plan which is compliant
and remains under challenge. A judge could strip a community of its um immunity from lawsuit and then anybody who owns a piece of property could sue the town saying I just want to build whatever I feel like building. So
there's great incentive to try to take control of your own destiny. That's what we did here. After a great deal of negotiation, Fair Share Housing backed away and realized we really were doing what we were supposed to do. We have no
developable land. We have a vacant land adjustment which reduces our obligation to build to just 23 units of affordable housing. That's all we can do uh with the land that we have. But we put other
things in place to try to spur development which are the same things we've done before. Try to spur some downtown development along Diamond Bridge Avenue, Grand Avenue, and also looking at Royal Avenue to see if we
could get some development there and we have gotten some. So those are some of the errors we've looked at. Dugan was a trick in the negotiation. Dugan owns 1.47 407 acres of land. And we went through, it was wrong on the tax card,
right on the tax map, straightened that out. And they wanted to build 114 units of housing in a sixstory building, which we thought was a little excessive. We challenged that. We believe that they
probably could have gotten 55 units of housing on that site in four stories, but there's no chance of getting 114. after working a great deal with our special master who was very helpful in
bringing the numbers down um with the mayor, with the administrator, with Real Leosa because I relied on her expertise and environmental and with the council president because he just happens to be a very good architect. Um, we were able
to come up with a plan we can recommend to you and that is reducing the number of units down to 69 units of housing on the 1.4 07 acre track. It's still a lot of housing. It's more dense than any
property we have uh so far in this town in terms of how we zoned it, however, how we wish to zone it. Um, it's a very, very unique site. It's got railroad tracks on both sides of it so that you
don't need sideyards. You don't have to worry, are you too close to your neighbor's property? Uh, and put a 50ft buffer in. We don't have to have planted buffers as a for instance. Uh, the biggest concern was what was it going to
look like from the front? And that's where we did a great deal of work to try to get the developer to pull the building off the curb, which they will do. Um, let me run through what the project is
intended to look like and what it's intended to do when it's finished. It'll be four stories high, but the developer agreed again. Um, and I and again I thank Mayor and Frank and Raina in particular, uh, the three of you for
participating in these discussions. They're going to keep the garage level below grade, which means it's not going to look four stories out of the ground. It'll have the appearance of a three-story building, which is not much higher than single family homes, which
could be up to 35 ft. So, that's a positive. They also agreed to set back the upper floor 7 ft to give an architectural break which prevents something called massing where you have
a monolithic straightup structure that looks uh overwhelms what else is in the area. So that's a positive. They agreed to create parking even though it's a transit oriented project
and could probably get away with 1.5 parking spaces per unit. They're going to put 1.6 spaces per unit in the building and have agreed to lease from us 12 parking spaces on Grand Avenue as
overflow parking. not going to make a lot of money on the lease, but that's not the goal of the lease. The goal was to make sure that in a neighborhood that gets a lot of traffic, we don't add a lot more. The good news is it's a 2-year
term, and at the end of 2 years, uh, the agreement we've been negotiating requires both sides to sit down and say, "Do you need the parking?" If it proves they don't need the parking, we let the lease go. But if in fact it turns out
that that parking is getting used by the people who are living in or visiting that site, they're going to keep leasing it from us. So they will be parking it at a rate of 1.8 spaces per unit, substantially above
what parking would normally be for a transit oriented project. So that was a positive. They also agreed to create a plaza effect in the front. building will be 27 ft from the curb line. They're going to
install what is Mayor Goldberg used to always call the kiss and drop lane, but they're going to drop off uh create a drop off lane so that people who are coming to or picking people up at the train station will have
a 100 foot lane striped with no parking permitted uh except for quick stops for say a UPS truck or an Amazon truck. uh it'll be for people to pick up and drop off, which again should help with some
of the congestion down there. And they've agreed to donate lands and repave the entire New Jersey Transit parking lot. Right now, that is loosely parking 15 cars if you're lucky. They're
going to rebuild that lot suing Transit agrees and we can't see why they wouldn't uh to create 27 parking spaces which again should help offset some of the difficulties that exist with parking
in that area. Um keep in mind if there are re persistent parking problems we can always revisit our sticker system. We can always alleviate concerns if they arise. So, it's not like we don't have
remedies if the problem becomes a problem, but we think we've done some really good safeguards to protect against flooding the street. Um, all of this is going to create again 69 units
of housing. 14 of those would be affordable. 55 would be what's called market rate. Uh the last major aspect of the uh two last things. Number one,
again at Councilwoman Leosa's urging, the developer has agreed to give us all of the progress reports that they have as they file them with the DP. They have to clean up the site. Time to clean up
the site. they will clean up the site. The good news is there's been no migration of product or anything offsite. Everything is contained on site. They're going to have to remove soil, quite a bit of soil,
substantial amount. And we have told them they're not going down Washington Avenue. We are going to insist that they have to transport the soil under the trestle and away from the church, the two schools and everything on Washington. Um they are going to have to
remove and have agreed to remove all of the concrete that's under laying some of the soil. So that again they're going to clean it to a residential standard. They are obligated to do that. They will be bringing in some fill, but they're not
going to build the property up much from its current level, which 7 to 10 ft below street level. Uh the second aspect and this uh last thing I'll speak on this project,
I'm losing my train of thought here. The um No, that's really it. The the most important thing. Am I missing one, Frank, or did I get them all? >> Pilot program. The pilot that was the last one revenue to borrow. >> The last thing that uh we did is we
negotiated a pilot. Pilot's called a payment in lie of taxes. It is based upon a percentage of the revenues rather than the ratable value of the property. The amount that the burrow will receive will be less than the amount of taxes
because we are recognizing this is going to be a million plus dollar cleanup. It's going to take a lot of money to clean it up. So therefore, we are allowing the developer to work in to a tax payment, but what the developer will
be paying is an amount that the burrow share will actually exceed the amount we ordinarily get. The county share is reduced to 5%. Uh the school board share is eliminated, but of course we make up the shortfall
as the taxpayers anyway. Um but the good news is with a pilot we will actually see greater revenue coming into the burrow and we can then address problems if we see them at the site. It'll be the same as we have on the Gothal Road
property that's now under construction. So those are the highlights of the uh development. I do believe that we should be settling this lawsuit. I do believe um Trenton has us over a barrel. I'm not going to
say otherwise. Um we are part of the Montville litigation. If the Montville litigation succeeds, we have right in the resolution I have drafted for you a reservation that says if that litigation succeeds, we intend to try to move away
from some of this. But that said, if the litigation doesn't succeed, I can't see us exposing ourselves to litigation of any property owner who wishes to develop anything in any zone. We owe it to our
taxpayers and our uh residents to try to keep things where they should be. And uh cleaning up that property by the train station is something it's about time we do that. Um, in terms of other benefits,
we have identified the two Hawthorne Chevy sites as areas in need of redevelopment. By settling this lawsuit, Fair Share Housing has agreed. We've put reasonable steps in place to see that redevelopment
go forward. We have spoken about mixing residential with commercial. We want to extend our commercial properties. They're moving downwards and very importantly there's a need for senior housing in this town. We do not have
enough housing for our seniors. So we are telling any developer who's going to look at the property and the mayor has had discussion with people who are interested. You're going to build senior housing because we're allowed to have
30% of our affordable housing be for seniors. So while not all of it will be affordable housing, uh it will be senior housing and uh that's something that's very much in need. It will not be for the entirety of the Hawthorne Chevy
sites, but certainly uh we're looking at the smaller of the two sites as a perfect location uh to develop senior housing. So, we're trying to make the best of a bad situation when nobody wants
it. Nobody's opposed to the concept of affordable housing. It's too much. And the idea that other people who don't live here are going to tell us how we need to live. It's the kind of elitism that uh people
really don't favor. And I'm not going to talk politics, but uh there are people who work from think tanks and tell us what's best for us. Um we've decided I at least I've decided it's best. And I
hope you'll agree to take some control of the situation and try to turn it into a positive. And I think if this is all done right, I think we can get a positive for our community if we succeed and if we agree to settle. We have 10
years of immunity. Uh with a 5-year look back to see how things are going, but only if there's some substantial changes do we face a potential um reopening of any of it. But at least uh we're looking at 10 years of peace, and that's a good
thing. That concludes my lengthy report. Thank you, Michael. And now just turn it back to the council for any questions or concerns that the council may have.
>> Well, um before we ask for a motion, uh any statements anyone would like to make? Uh Joe, we'll start your way. >> If I could just ask a couple questions. >> How long How long is the pilot program? >> 30 >> 30 years. >> 30 years.
>> 10% 30 years. >> Same as the other development. >> Correct. and and the leasing of the parking spaces were that's totally on board cuz I know one of your memos said that they weren't on board. They were not on board. They were opposed to it
and we held our ground and they said fine. Look, it's we're going to $100 a year for a space. We're not talking about a lot of money, right? >> Um but the important thing is uh we really need to protect the neighborhood.
>> No, I I agree. And there's no other property in the area like if you went up um Skoon Avenue, any of those areas back there for parking that they could lease from a from one of those vacant they have so much vacant space up Skoon
Avenue. I would think I I know it would be awkward for a homeowner or a tenant to have to go over the railroad tracks, go down the set of stairs there and look for a park, you to have a parking space, but I I just I'm hellbent on the parking spaces. I know you said it's 1.6 we
could get away with, but >> I I think Joe, the the problem is if you start going to school, and you even said it, the dangers of of crossing the tracks just to get to where you live. Um the idea that people, you know, you go
grocery shopping and you're going up the stairs, over, down, whatever. Uh and there's an accessible route in this way, too. I mean, so that idea is we think this is largely going to be for an overflow party. Guests come by,
things like that. We'll see. I mean, look, on weekends, uh, quite frankly, there's not a lot of people in that parking lot, the transit lot. People may end up parking there. So, >> um, you know, we'll monitor the
situation. We can always change. >> After our council meeting, I went on my way to work. I drove Washington Street to Washington A. It is already packed with cars and we haven't even put a a
building there. And you're saying, "All right, I go grocery shopping. Hell, if I have to walk from Grand A to Pan Chemical with my groceries, I'm going to be exhausted." >> Yeah. We're hoping that everybody will actually fit in the building. Um, I will
tell you that the planners, both our planner, John Sabbo and Christine Kafone and the architect who we worked with from the developer are all very, very confident that there's enough parking in the building to handle
all of it. >> Okay. >> Um, it is transit located. So, let's hope. We're also hoping the extra 10 or 11 spaces that went into the community parking lot will also remove some cars off of the streets that are residents
that park there. >> Oh, one one last thing I didn't mention. They're going to put a little coffee shop um on that first floor on the plaza by the train station so that in the morning if you were a commuter you will
have a little shop that you could pop into and buy a newspaper cup of coffee. I don't know if people buy papers anymore but really do lottery tickets if they buy one Jersey that >> buy it for you.
>> Yeah. So, um, yeah, it it's it'll be at least a little something, a little amenity down there as well. Look, we got to clean up. If we wait for New Jersey Transit to clean up that lot, it'll never happen. >> So, again, make the best of the
situation. >> They figured that it would be >> will they accept the offer? >> Visitors visiting people who live there. >> We'll make sure they accept the offer. Well, it will make sure that uh you know, no matter who we have to contact,
um this will be in furtherance of affordable housing. So, we could get people from all over the place behind the idea of getting transit to allow it. >> I can't see how they wouldn't. >> Mike, >> um
>> Sure. Yeah. Um, I recently read an article um stating that there is approximately 188,000 unoccupied homes in the state of New Jersey. While at the same time, the state has authorized over 204,000
new housing permits for the one of most densely populated states in the country. This raises serious and legitimate questions. This state has mandated a significant increase in affordable housing, which in
practice has largely meant that the construction of multifamily developments rather than single family homes because that's where the developers maximize their profits. This is commonly referred to as builder's remedy.
I can't speak for everyone, but based on many conversations we've had uh here among ourselves and with residents, they're all supportive of affordable housing. What we do not support is overdevelopment,
which is exactly what is occurring. Too often, the state checks boxes by meeting a quota. Developers make money and municipalities are left to deal the long-term consequences. Hawthorne is unique town.
It is a community where families span second, third, and even fourth generations. People who were born here, moved away for a time, and ultimately returned because Hawthorne is truly special.
There's also residents like myself who were who were not born here but chose to stay and raise a family in Hawthorne and grew to love its strong sense of community and and his kindness of its people. And contrary to what some keyboard
warriors on social media may believe, local officials are not lining their pockets with money. In fact, it's just the opposite. We have fought this legally in the courts to preserve Hawthorne's character and uniqueness and
unfortunately the state has effectively put a gun to our heads and develops know it leaving us no room for maneuver. The mayor's administration and a council have done everything possible to lessen the impact. However, these effects are
real and unavoidable, impacting our infrastructure, public safety, police, fire services, traffic, roadways, and schools amongst other critical areas. No one is against progress, but progress
must be guided by common sense. And unfortunately, these mandates lack their balance. That's all I have. Yeah. >> Um just want to add to what um Michael said about pan chemical. It's been a
site that's been a thorn on our side the all many years. Um the environmental commission has been monitoring the efforts and the requirements we put in there are really critical for us to know exactly what's being done on that site
for the cleanup and we just get it done. And I think this developer is going to do it. He doesn't have a choice. He wants his residential. He needs to clean his residential. Um the other pieces that I was concerned about was storm water and that whole property is going
to be developed. They are fully aware of New Jerseys and Hororn's ordinances for storm water. They must comply and they will comply. We will be on top of them. Um it's really um difficult. I think
Mike Scara Councilman did an eloquent job. This has been really difficult, the affordable housing, but with the law changing in 2024, it cemented the obligations clearly to all the municipalities that are not in that
urban and they do not have the obligations that we have. So, it's all pushed on us and other local municipalities nearby. You see it in the papers all the time about all these buildings. They're all multi-density
overdevelopment. We're all going to be it's all going to be like New York City. We're going to get to a point because New Jersey is going to build out every single property. And that's really sad because we're building on environmental restrictions, environmental wetlands.
It's just going it's difficult to balance the building and the environmental regulations. Um we here in Horththornne are trying to do everything we can uh to minimize that as much as possible and um
this is not an easy thing to do tonight. Um but we do have deadlines and that legislators put those all those deadlines in the law and there's consequences and we at Horththornne do not want to have our building remedy. We
do not want to lose that because the judges side with the developers. They side with the developers. They can ignore environmental and zoning in steep slopes like they did in Lafayette Hills which we fought for over 15 years. So we
don't want to be in that position. We want to be in the driver's seat. And this is the best that we can do. We've negotiated the numbers down and try to be and minimize the impact. And we are dead serious about those trucks not going down Washington Avenue. Made that
very clear in that meeting. Um we just cannot afford to do that to those residents on Washington A who's constantly complaining about the speeding. So I just want to thank everyone. We all hold hands and uh we
worked hard at this and um we did the best we can. We'll get immunity for 10 years and I'll see you 2035. when we talk about the next round. Round five. Thanks, >> Bruce.
>> Yeah. I grew up in Patterson, New Jersey, the son of blue collar, a bluecollar worker, a postal worker who worked two full-time jobs in order to support his family. So
my mother could stay at home and raise the children with what he thought was the proper way with some discipline, someone to look after them full time. They were members of the so-called greatest generation.
And you know what affordable housing was to them? It was whatever house you could afford to buy or whatever house you could afford to rent. They wouldn't take charity even if it was offered back then because they were
too proud. They'd helped win a war. They helped build a country and they weren't looking for a multi-millionaire governor or judges who make six figure salaries to give them a handout.
And that's basically what we are dealing with here. And that's what I object to. Do I believe in affordable housing? Yes, if you work your butt off, you can have whatever housing you can afford.
But I don't want the state coming in and telling communities like Hawthorne where people blue collar workers and white collar workers struggle every day to pay the taxes we have to support a good
school system and to keep their property up. I don't want to be forced to give out housing when places where it's really needed, urban areas like Patterson and Pake,
that's where affordable housing is needed because that's where the people who need affordable housing live. We're going to give them housing in the suburbs. Why? Why? What did they do to earn it?
I'm sorry. I'm going to vote for this resolution because I've got a gun to my head right now and I have to. But am I happy about it? No. And every voter in this community who isn't happy about it
should rise up and say something about it. Do something about it. Affordable housing should be whatever housing you can afford because you worked your butt off to earn it. That's all I got to say. And Marie,
>> I couldn't agree more with everybody's words up on the stasis. We all are working so hard um to make this jagged pill go down our throats for all of us. I just want to read something
from the state that says um the updated plan lays out goals focusing on environmental justice and builds upon the state's ongoing initiatives to address the following areas: economic development, housing, infrastructure,
revitalization and reentering climate change, natural and water sources, pollution and environmental cleanup, historic and scenic resources, equity and comprehensive planning. None of that has anything to do with helping a
community thrive. What we're being dealt with is injustice, not justice. And all I can say to you, all of our residents, is that everybody in this room, all the administration, burough attorney, certainly uh uh
Councilwoman Leosa with her indepth uh knowledge and um Council President Matthews, but all of us in our own way. We're we're fighting like scrappy dogs to make the best out of this situation for all of us. No one likes it. Absolutely. Every new development has a
portion of affordable housing in it. That's always been the case. No one is against affordable housing. We are against this mandated overdevelopment of our towns. We don't have a choice. And so our attorney is giving us the best advice
possible. Meet the deadlines. pick your poison. This is what's best for us. We don't want to go to court with builder's remedies because the outcome will be far worse. We have to come to a meeting of the minds uh an agreement that everyone
can live with and that is where we're at. Um, no, it doesn't address the impact on other things like infrastructure and I know we'll address it as much as we can or the educational uh um influx.
That's our burden to address however we can because the state does not want to hear that. Just know that we are all taking this particular pill which will get worse as the months go on. We're taking it to
heart. I also will vote because this is what we have to do, but it's not something we enjoy. >> That's it. >> Okay, just to wrap up, I want to remind everyone that this mandate came down
from the democratically controlled state, the governor's office, the assembly, and the senators. Uh they all think they know better than we do. Uh home rule is a thing of the past. as as Bruce mentioned the urban centers. We used to be able to do an RCA, which is a
regional contribution agreement where we would send the same amount of money that we would spend on our affordable housing to an urban community and they would redevelop their area, which quite frankly in some areas it's needed. So, you would improve an area in need and you would also provide affordable
housing in those uh cities. They said anybody should be able to live wherever they want to, not where they can afford to. I even brought it up with our special master during a meeting where I said, "I want to live in Alpine, New Jersey one day, but I can't afford to. But if I have zero money, I might be
able to." It just doesn't seem fair that they treat one set of citizens differently than others in urban area. We're all in favor of helping out people, but not at the cost of redevelopment. and I agree with
everything that's been said by all of my uh colleagues here. Um it's just not fair. But you're more than welcome to call and complain to us, but I want to remember we didn't vote for this. It's the people that you voted for in Trenton that caused this.
That's all I have. Can I have a motion to uh authorize the settlement of round four affordable housing litigation R1 196-25? >> So moved. >> Motion by WKI.
Can I have a second? >> Second. >> Second by Leosa. Any further discussion or did we kind of handle that? >> Okay. >> Ro call. >> Yes. Skiara,
>> yes. >> Sasso, yes. Leosa, yes. Bennett, >> under duress and with extreme resentment, yes. >> Matthews, >> normally I would vote no because I can and it would still pass. But to show
support for my fellow colleagues, I will vote yes to be consistent and be unified. >> Okay. Motion carries. R197-25 is acceptance of a municipal alliance grant for 2026 and 2027 year.
>> Question >> motion by Bennett. No, you got second. >> Second. >> Okay. Second by scar. Now question. >> Just I I didn't get an attachment. What does this grant have to do with >> the municipal alliance? We It's a >> with a deadline. It just made the agenda
because they were asking for it by the end of the year. >> Yeah. >> Free money. It's the next fiscal year grant. Councilman WKI. >> All right. Thank you, Mike. He gave it to me. How good. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Bennett,
>> this one I'll gladly vote yes for >> Great. Thank you. Leosa, >> yes. >> Sasso, yes. Skiara, >> yes. >> Wi, >> yes. >> Matthews, >> yes. >> Motion carries. >> Public comment. I open the meeting to the public. If anyone desires to be heard, please raise your hand to be recognized. Forward to the microphone.
State your name. Anyone wish to be heard? Okay. Have a motion to close public portion of the meeting. >> So moved. Secession by Skira, second by WKI. All in favor? >> I.
>> Council President, did you ask for very old business by chance? >> No, but you can give it if you'd like. >> I believe tomorrow is the mayor's birthday. >> Oh, very old business. >> Happy birthday, mayor. >> Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Even
newer business, Raina coming up in a week. So, not even a few days. >> Friday. >> Yeah. Happy birthday, >> Happy birthday to the mayor and to Raina. >> Thank you. >> Well, since we're doing new business that wasn't on the agenda. >> Happy birthday, mayor. >> Thank you, Joe.
>> Councilman uh Councilwoman Sasso, do you want to mention what tomorrow is? >> I do. I want to thank everybody who participated in our holiday home decorating contest. You guys knocked it out of the park. We had 24 homes that were in our contest, over 130 votes, and
tomorrow we will be announcing the winners. Um, look on our website, and winners will be getting a call from me, and we'll arrange for your visit and your um prize. Thank you so much. >> So, congrats. >> Just uh just take one quick second is
our last meeting before the holiday, so I want to wish everybody a merry Christmas and a happy holidays. >> Thank you, Michael. for you and your family also. >> You know, you get an affordable housing unit >> of the story would allow that. >> Bruce, it's a lottery. It's a luck of
the of the drawing. >> Well, yes, >> I'm also going to put it in the Friday letter. >> Sorry. >> No, not the the the home >> have something prepared tomorrow for you. So, >> and then merry Christmas to everybody.
Happy birthday, Mayor and Raina. >> Okay, I think Robert would uh yell at me for not following the rules, but can I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Second. >> Motion by second by Scar. All in favor? >> I. >> Motion carries. We
>> microphones are off. I just need to turn off this one. Yes. Yes. >> Did it stop? >> No. No. It's still red. >> It's not recording, though. >> It's not recording. >> You got to look at it.
>> Got to go in a little closer. >> Hello. >> You got to do the other one, too. That's the one. >> Yes. I just need to turn the camera off. >> I have three of them going. So, give him We're >> well documented. I thought you were good juggler. >> I will say
I like >> everybody Christmas health and happy new year. >> Are you done for the week? >> I'm done. I'm finished. I got my my boss told me I could No, I'll be here. My boss told me I I can take off. >> I hope so. >> I have to use up my time.
>> Otherwise, they're going to take it away. Should we maybe need to close then tomorrow since we all need to take the days >> or can't speak Friday >> Friday. >> You can have Thursday off. >> Okay. Let me go turn.
>> Okay. >> Okay.