everyone and welcome to the Town of Helen Beach Town Commission meeting. And I'd like to call the meeting to order. If we could have a roll call, please. >> Commissioner Chinowski >> here, present. >> Commissioner Goldberg, >> present. >> Commissioner Peters, >> present. >> Vice Mayor Stern, >> Mayor Moore,
>> present. >> Town Manager Laby, >> present. and town attorney Ruben >> present. >> Please rise for the pledge. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Any changes to the agenda? Now, I see there's been a modification. Can you just point out where that
modification is the revision? >> Yes. Item 11F item. Yeah. Item 11F. >> Okay. That's been added. Is that correct? >> And that's why it's labeled as revised.
So as presented um is is how um we'll proceed today. >> So we're okay. Motion >> motion to approve the agenda as modified. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Motion carries.
>> Moving on to public comments. Do we have any public comments today? Seeing none. Uh moving on. There are no ordinances. consent agenda. Any any concerns about the consent agenda? If not, could we
have a motion? Okay, we could have a motion. >> Yes, I move to approve the consent agenda. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Motion carries. Moving on to unfinished business building department reertification program update.
>> All right. >> Good afternoon, commission. I hope everyone had a great holiday weekend. Karina Chadawi, permit technician at the building department. So for the update, as of today, December 2nd, 2025, we are at 28 buildings
reertified, 21 are under permit, and then two are still within the due date to submit reports. It is the same numbers as what was presented last uh commission meeting by town manager Labidy. And I did just
want to give a fun fact since November 19th, 2024. That was the first time I presented here. We had 14 buildings reertified. Right now we are 28. So we have doubled in just a little bit over a year. So this is good news. We are
moving forward and it's looking good. >> Excellent. No buildings um that are in trouble or anything like that. No, everybody's on track. Okay. >> Absolutely. >> Great. >> Great news. >> Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. >> Moving on to Florida Department of Transportation update. >> Yes. Um they gave us a three-week outlook, so that means they're still going. Um, so hopefully they'll be finishing up by the end of the month.
I'm, you know, uh, hopeful maybe. I don't know. Uh, >> they're still doing work. >> Um, but with that, which is more importantly, which you have may have been contacted, we've gotten some calls. Uh, I know Representative Gset Sideman's office been getting calls about the
continued flooding and the rightway. And I think some of our, um, our seasonal residents are coming back and maybe starting to ask questions like, "What what happened?" Um, so we're still experiencing it. Uh, again, as I told you, FDOT sent out one
of their, uh, oversight managers and said, "It is what it is. It wasn't supposed to be a drainage project. It's going to happen and continue. Period." So, it is what it is out there, folks. Um, but we did make the appropriation request. Um,
uh, we just got a questionnaire that, uh, Scender Madison and I will start working on, uh, from FDOT, uh, for our appropriations request. I don't know if that's just to slow it down, but we'll answer their 38 questions. Um, so the appropriation is is getting a look from
the agency uh, funding agency. Um, emailed with Representative Gosset Sidman. We may get Secretary Brawn on a telephone call later this week um to continue to express our frustrations uh
over the rightway. And the really the the issue with it, the road's going to be fine. The road isn't going to flood. It's going to be the western right ofway where this pathway is. So, we're going to see larger volumes of water at a greater depth for longer period of time, which then pushes everybody out into the
road, all the walkers. Now in season, if we don't get a long prolonged dry spell, we're going to see folks out there more often. And I'd rather not, as you would rather not, see people leisurely walking in A1A with all the traffic and bicyclists and wrapping up construction,
which is 6 months late. So, um, we're going to continue working on it. Um hopefully Secretary Braun maybe will give us a different feel or look or discussion on the item if we get a phone call uh later this week and I'll keep you posted if if if we do have that
call. Otherwise, you know, they're I guess on the final touches, but that could be a month. It seems it continues to get pushed out. So, we're hopefully done by New Year's. >> And just to clarify, >> there's a question. Uh the the
appropriations is for the sidewalk only, right? >> And we folded in the crosswalk lighting. >> Okay. >> Um so it's a 5050 appropriation request for $750,000 to fix that and put in the crosswalk
lights. Uh see what sticks, what kind of traction uh we might get. Uh we will work with the lobbyists because we're already getting the FOT review. uh how to how to frame or some of our responses because it's not a a phase of an
existing project that's unfunded. It's a correction of the outcome of a current project. So, we just got to figure out how we're going to phrase that. So, >> and I imagine the public safety aspect of it is a critical thing is the pedestrian safety, >> right?
um cars will be fine, but when you have all your your walkers up and out and then you you could have other risks, higher maintenance costs now that will have more sediment on it could become slick in certain spots. People could slip and fall that aren't more agile.
Walkers, um bikes, kids, I mean, we have a a recipe of problems if there's water standing for low longer periods, mold, mildew builds up on those. Um and that would require us to do more maintenance. So, we're hoping we'll we'll get something or some traction or maybe FDOT
will come out and just do it with their own forces. That would be great, too. But, um, we'll see. >> Okay. Well, thank you for keeping on it and hopefully >> make some progress. >> Moving on to new business. Um,
discussion on Villa Magna's proposed plans regarding replacement of existing monument signage and add additional signage on the west side of State Road A1A. So, I will give a quick update. As we recall at our last meeting, um our friends from Villa Magna came in and uh
showed us the design for their new entrance sign along with their secondary entrance and inter coastal signs. We all liked the design and we're glad they're making the investment. The concern was the size of the sign. Um but again, it was it was their comments were under
public comment so we couldn't discuss and direct it. So, it's brought back as requested by the commission. So, uh, you could, uh, take action to either move it to planning commission, say it's fine the way it is, uh, but that needs some directive from the board as to how you
want this reviewed. If you want to consider or evaluate, um, changing the sign provisions, permanent sign provisions, uh, Mr. Rubin did give his opinion that the direction requested is less restrictive. So Senate
Bill 180 wouldn't come into play and block us for that 2-year window for passing this. So we could unlike the temporary signs which we were trying to make smaller, which would be more restrictive, this we're making larger. Uh I have met uh with Villa Magna. They
have added their additional proposal. What I thought was interesting and probably would warrant your consideration to move it to the planning board, if you look at all the other signs out there, most are larger than
our current provisions. So to confer with them, uh Adam, our code officer, went out there, took a bunch of measurements. Most are bigger than our 10 square feet that are out there. Uh, some of our
smaller condos seem to be in line. Um, I think he mismeasured Villanova and measured your whole wall. So, that was ginormous, but it's just because it's a retaining wall. >> Um, but then Ingred, as would be directed by yourselves andor the
planning board, looked at some of the adjacent communities and we are the most restrictive uh for the most part on permanent signage. Each has its own nuances as uh Ingred likes to say, but uh they all have various
ways to measure and scale signs based on building density, units, running road frontage. So, every town's uh quite different, but by raw size, we have the uh most restrictive at 10
square feet. Most of our signs through what I see in in town and even from Villa Magna stuff is somewhere around 2022 square feet seems to be the running average if we were to do that. I'm just guessing because it wasn't done in an
Excel spreadsheet. So, um I'm guessing we most signs are larger. So, the hard part of any review of an ordinance as such would be what is bigger? What's the appropriate bigger? So based on some of the background information, uh we have
bigger already, it's to figure out what is maybe the maximum uh signage. So if you move it to the planning board, they come back with recommendations and we do make a change and say it doesn't account for everybody's, those that aren't accounted for will be considered
lawful non-conforming and only on their signed change out would they have to come into compliance. So >> um okay thought we could start with discussion and then perhaps open it up for public comment after that. So anyone uh vice mayor wants to start. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. I think it's a little bit more complicated as it relates to Villa Magna going to planning board. I think that's that's a good move. However, I think we got a larger issue. That larger issue is in reviewing everything that you had said is what is the correct standard? We
ought to put that into enforce that. In addition to that, we have some signing that was put in in the last number of years that exceed a present and probably would exceed any extension. How do we handle those? Are they grandfathered in? How is it approved? What do we do going
forward? I would be in favor of looking at our standard, decide what the right standard is, and try to put that into uh into action. As far as Villa Magnner, I think that in fact that ought to go there, but that should be concurrent
with what we're doing in total. >> Sure. >> Agree. >> Any other comments? >> I think the uh planning board in doing some due diligence is very important for their recommendations right now. I
understand what uh the vice mayor is saying. I agree. But I think right now more due diligence should take place by the planning board and their recommendations to us. I would also agree. Uh but then there's the issue of how large is too large? How
do we make that determination? So uh are we looking at the surrounding areas? Are we uh merely going for what appeals to us? Um what is going to be the barometer? Do we consider that after the planning board
or is that some of the issues that they will be taking up? >> I would hope the planning board would have a very in-depth conversation of just these comments and concerns as to evaluate everything that's out there and make a recommendation based on the
background that that you see. And I agree with you. Um some of these towns it's their sign ordinances is quite complex. Um, I don't know that we need to go there, but we, you know, the hard part is what is that size? What is the
appropriate? It's not the number of signs I see as an issue. It's just the size of the main condo. Uh, what should that be? Mo, and again, most are bigger than 10 square feet. So, at some point in time, the community made a decision
to, I guess, reduce the size. Some have been built whenever since that ordinance was adopted that got missed. I was telling our friends over at Villa Magna as well that you know Ingret is your first planter. So my guess is a lot of this just never we looked at it to
make sure it was installed properly in the rightway. It was constructed well because it had a building permit, but we just never looked at detailed zoning at times. And I think this is one of those that kind of I think people looked at it and said, "Well, the signs look nice. That that's appropriate, you know, more
so than the uh physical aspects which we're doing now." So >> when uh when I look at the covering letter um that Villa Magnner submitted um this was dated November 3rd, 2025. Their letter actually was to our
commission and staff dated October 31st, 2025. They note the major concern, quote, is safety and our most important objective is to replace our current signage with new signage that is designed and located
to produce greater visibility and improve sight lines. So, I think that um that's valuable to know what the purpose is. If there's anything else that we want to uh insert, I think it would be a good thing um for us to have it as part
of our record to go to the planning the planning board. >> I think that what they're saying is valid. We're u my building's on the other side of the sands. Uh and I know for a fact that there are many U-turns and uh dangerous situations because
people either turn too soon or too late and so forth. They do make a point. The question is how big is too big and what is visually correct. So, uh >> yes, I I agree. I think that the um the pictures that were submitted for uh what
they contemplate is really quite beautiful. It's attractive. It's classy. It's but it is very large. It is illuminated. Um that doesn't offend me. Uh, but I wouldn't want the town turning into everyone's sign all of a sudden,
you know, have different colors or, you know, so I think there's a a uniformity that's needed and maybe uh we want to build in some flexibility as well that if it's beyond a certain point, what is
the redress? They come back, they ask for variance and >> and that's important because it's in a separate ordinance. So there is no variance per se because there's no because it's not in the zoning ordinance. So there could be a different mechanism to appeal or re as you say
redress the issue if it's something off what board how that process works is something that also could be uh looked at or considered. >> Well let let me comment on that. number of years ago when I chaired the board of adjustment appeals we did have signing
issues and one was the holiday in going to the sands as far as size and so forth and that was brought up at that board. So it has happened in the past we have to we should set up some kind of a mechanism not saying it should be that but there should be a review process
based on hardship need etc. Yeah. And I I think uh because I uh that was part of our conversation was well how did these other signs and I'm just like you know I can't speak to how they got through cuz really they should have not gotten a variance
at all. It's not permissible under the structure. But that's just because people would naturally think it's under the zoning code and it's all part of it and that's probably how it went through. But technically it can't have a variance. There could be a process by which they could um I know in a town I
worked before it was an appeal to the town board like uh the staff denied it. They can go to the town board. I mean you could ask for interpretation which we're pretty good at interpreting. It's just can we get it X a little bit bigger or this consideration. So that could be
something the um you know planning board takes a look at and make some series of recommendations. I >> mean you could allow for sign variances. I mean, a a lot of cities do because a lot of cities do have their sign code as part of their zoning code. We don't um some other ones I represent don't as
well, but um like in North Palm Beach, theirs is in a separate chapter, but they did amend it years ago to allow people to seek variances from sign regulations as well. So, I mean, that's something that could be in the mix for the planning board. >> Any idea what the rationale would have been as to why our signs wouldn't have
been subject to the to variance? it it's just the way the code was set up just because I think the the variances only apply to chapter 30 which is the zoning code and our signs are in the different section but >> so you don't think it was intentional necessarily
>> yeah I don't know I don't know if it was intentional or not but you know as we discussed before sign regulations are considered land development regulations so there's nothing inappropriate about allowing a variance is it's just what I want to get across to the commissioner >> okay >> that's good to know commissioner Peter
the um I'm familiar with this because a year and a half ago I went through the same thing where uh my board my people wanted to go 15 in high and 10 ft be the 10 you know so um Ingred said no you can't do that you got to go 12 then I
couldn't add my number because that includes the thing so she says you got to change the law I says well I'm not changing the law I could just go a foot um a foot down by 10 ft and that's my 10 square f feet but I didn't realize slides that um and technically I guess
tell me if I'm wrong say if Seagate gets rid of their sign but leaves their cement they can make their sign bigger as long as it's on that existing >> No that that would basically mean like you're you're demolishing or taking down and then you would have to come into
compliance once you remove it you would have to come into compliance >> just the letters I mean if you just >> I mean if you're just doing the letters inset in the same sign uh Yeah, technically you would then at that point have to do we would we would take a
closer look and give careful consideration to the situation but technically that would be is that 50% of the value or the structure itself that's been but then it's not in the zoning so it wouldn't fall under under >> nonconformities right
>> yeah so it's it's tricky how we would handle that that's where the ZBA would come in and we would make a decision and then the variance would be staff because staff interpretation of the situation was incorrect. We think it's X, not Y. So that's when an appeal could be because it's not
dimensional. It's an interpretation of of the code. >> Hey Marshall, uh we're addressing just sending it to the pling board to address Villa Magna's request. We're not sending it to the planning board to address the entire strip. >> It would be the all of it. You give Villa Magna, everybody gets them. What's
good for one is good for all. The request being made by Villa Magnet is an appropriate request because their sign right now just driving is not adequate uh for the amount of traffic that we have on the strip. But is the planning board going to come back with recommendations for Villa Magna or are
we going to hear more? Villa Magna is the canary in the coal mine and then you're going to have to look at hey if we make your sign 25 square feet or 30 square feet is the measure >> means everybody else can go to 30 square feet
>> if you unless you make it some complicated >> process which I would hope we just don't get too complicated >> um but you could based on frontage size number of units property you could go all different directions Okay. Thank you.
>> So, I I would be in favor and I um clarify if you could for me, Vice Mayor, um your your suggestion, those items for them to look at for to be looked at, you're recommending to forward give that direction to the planning board, correct? Is that that? So, all those all
those items that you listed and um also Commissioner Goldberg um those are things to direct the planning board to um look at for appropriateness for Highland Beach and it would be for the entire ordinance. I I would recommend that we you know it's the entire
ordinance. It's not just specific to Villa Magna. So I I think what we and I would be in favor of directing the planning board to look at the entire ordinance um with keeping Villa Magna's request in
mind, you know, a real life example and to perhaps come up with a recommendation on how to um revise that ordinance for the signage in order to address all the issues for all the condos. a revised
ordinance that would fit for all the buildings in Highland Beach for them to make a recommendation. Um, go ahead. >> If I could get one point of clarification, permanent signage component because we can't touch the temporary sites. Okay. >> Yep.
>> Now, does this Let's just spend a moment. Uh, we made changes to smaller signs. >> Did we? >> Yeah. Just a discussion. >> We discuss we had discussion. We were interested in doing the same thing we're doing now. and kicking it to the planning board for review. However,
Senate Bill 180 says we can't touch land use regulations which include signage provisions and make them more restrictive. And since we were going to make re real estate signs smaller, we were being more restrictive on this one. We are considering 10 square feet and up. Now, if the planning board says 10
square feet's too big, I don't think they would, but let's say they did, we couldn't go less than 10 square feet. So, there is a floor already established, which is current ordinance. if should they get in that but I I think when you see the numbers you see everybody else's it does warrant that
maybe what is appropriate might be slightly larger but I don't know that number that's the difficulty of the whole and then should there whatever number you pick should there be a >> means by which that party that condo that property owner could say geez we're
only asking for this more here's our situation where they could actually have that appeal right of some sort >> would it be beneficial in any manner to insert with the effective date being post 2027
to conffort with the Senate bill 180 to add what we had already discussed with respect to the small smaller sign since we're setting this if we go forward into a separate ordinance. >> Um you could do that. I mean, you're
just holding it for a long time. Just as an update to the Senate Bill 180 lawsuit, there is a hearing on their motion to enjoin its enforcement scheduled this month for the 19th. So, I'll let you know what happens there. We might look if it gets, you know, if the court enters an injunction and says the
state can't enforce it, well, then everything's back on the table. >> So, I'll keep you advised on that. That was just more of an FYI. >> Okay, >> good. I I understand your um comment uh Commissioner Goldberg, but I'd say that's a lot to tackle in one thing. So
maybe we just tackle the permanent signs now and maybe not hold it up. >> Um I think it's a it might be helpful for Villa Magna to see some progress so that they can um make plans and >> and update their signs sooner rather
than later. So I think that would be a lot to tackle if we if we try to roll it all in together, but >> especially with the comments by council. >> Yeah. >> That you know there's there's action, there's activity with respect to that statute, right? >> So we'll wait.
>> And um yeah, and I like what uh Commissioner Chimnoski said about, you know, the planning board doing the due diligence. You know, they have the expertise to do that and uh they can do the due diligence on the on the entire ordinance. Um, so I thought that was
>> So what do we what do we need? Do we need a resolution or just a >> just a >> just a motion? Um, we will summarize those comments because uh our clerk is taking copious notes. So you could just, you know, move to direct to the planning
board as um directed by the planning comm by the town commission and we'll go from there. >> But before we do that, let's open it up for public comments. Any comment? Oh, come on. Please state your name and where you're from.
>> Hi everybody. I'm Ellen Bonder. I'm the general manager of Villa Magna and we just want to thank you. We're so grateful that you're taking up consideration of our project. Um we are in season. Everybody's pretty busy. We
didn't get a crowd, but we do have our vice president, John Phillips. Uh Mark Mark is with the Green Group. Markeeser and Carlos Rodriguez is our sign designer and manufacturer and installer
and we remain available uh obviously at a moment's notice to answer any questions. I'm also excited to share that last week at Villa Magna, we passed a material alteration and the special
assessment for this project. And everybody's just very very excited. Of course, there's a lot to the project, not just the question of the size of the signs. And um so we're very excited and hoping yes to get rolling, but we
understand it's a process and we're just grateful for your for your time and consideration. And I'm happy to answer any questions or host you if you'd like to come by and >> thank you for your comments. um um perhaps look at the planning board agendas and see when it's going to be on
those agendas and I think your comments would be really valuable there and in helping shape what the ordinance might look like. So we really appreciate your input and I think it helps to have a real life example, you know, >> we're happy to be the uh canary. >> Well, we appreciate that. Thank you.
Yeah, we'll be partners in this. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Any other comments? Okay. I thought the vice mayor had a lot of uh a nice list of things that we could maybe start with, maybe summarize
again of what we would like the planning board to specifically dig into. So, could you repeat what you had said earlier? Sorry to put you on the spot. >> No, we're we're actually looking at the request. We're looking at the standard
uh the appropriate standard maximum size for the signing. Uh and I think we have to also review uh the other the other condominiums that have excessive signs and whether the
action is appropriate or not or they unless they were appropriately permanent. I think we have to look at all aspects of that and going forward. And um what were some of the other components that you wanted the planning board to look at >> with the um uh the theme being uh one to
keep in mind the uh the safety um the current conditions of this particular the Magna uh where they need it, why they need it, uh the size um uh to produce visibility, improve sight lines
uh and to um the major concern being the uh safety of the pedestrians and those um on our roadway. >> Yeah. I I would like to say too with frontage maybe I know you said something about area you can't do it but you know
Villa Magna is three times bigger than ours. So they should have more space for their signs than you know Villanova. So that might be something per area per square footage or footage on a road.
anything you want to add? >> In fact, I'm more focused on the bill request and to have that spoken about and then have the planning board address some of the other issues. But right now, the request is from Bill and Magna uh to
put in the appropriate sign. I think it is needed uh and to have it fall within the parameters that we feel are important. But that would be my first what we do as far as looking at the rest. I think we're board may take more time in doing that, but we we can
actually adjust the conversation with the planning board. They can adjust it to actually focus with Bill Magna right now >> to make it go through a little faster. Um >> yeah, but you you can't really discuss Villa Magna in isolation because we'd
have to change the code to have that conversation. >> So it they do they are going to go part and parcel. >> Yep. You guys did talk about an appeal process. So we'll put that as either variance allow variances and I and I like the way you put it um Kerra Goldberg like what is the right size for
Highland Beach which I mean I guess probably understood in this request but um I imagine they'll look at what other municipalities um similar to ours have done. But, you know, regardless of that, what is the right size? What is the right um look
for for Highland Beach, >> right fits our aesthetic and uh >> just similar to how uh our own signage >> issues and uh the the sentiments that were raised uh in that respect and the
as far as the signage as was submitted, you know, I I congratulate you. I think it's very appealing to the eye and it's set up and to provide the safety that you need. So, uh but we want the whole town to be under uh you know a sim a
similar uh limitation or restriction. Thank you. Yeah, I I direct them to, you know, think about the colors. Like I liked I like this this uh streamlined vision that they have for the sign, you know, I wouldn't want like a ton of
colors, you know. Um so maybe color would be a factor that they would look at. >> Illumination. >> Illumination is another one. Um, and I wouldn't want to limit it to that and whatever else the planning board
deems necessary to consider. >> Is that enough direction or do you need >> plenty of direction? >> Again, I just want to add >> fancy finger. I just want to add an emphas an emphasis on an emphasis on safety only because of
where the sand is located and the amount of U-turns and passing and signage. That's an extenduating circumstance that uh that that building has. >> Yes. >> Okay. Well, if that concludes that, >> so we don't have to recite it.
>> Nope. >> Oh, >> okay. >> No motion necessary. >> No, >> we're good. >> We're good. Okay, >> we're good. >> Yep, we got it. >> Okay, awesome. Um, okay. Next item. Consideration of the commission proposed
meeting schedule for the 2026 calendar year. So, does anyone have I think we we might have one issue meeting. Um there's on the schedule uh one Wednesday
which is kind of out of uh line of all of our Tuesday meetings and um uh may I ask what the reason for a Wednesday meeting in and is a different day a possibility? Huh?
Okay. So my question is, is it possible for that to be either a Monday or a Thursday? >> I'm good with either of those. Anyone have a specific request? We could move it to Thursday, maybe. I don't know. >> Well, on which day? Any day? >> So, November 5th. Thursday, November 5th
>> of 2026. Does that >> would that work for everyone? >> One moment. at 130. Of course, >> November 5th is November 5th. That way is good for me. >> Good for me. >> November 5. >> So, as you're looking at that, I'm going
to circle what you see as your budget dates pending legislative action. >> I will fill in dates once we get closer. I mean, if it nothing happens, we'll go back to it'll be a relatively straightforward budget per our five-year
forecast. If not, then we may need to spend more time taking a much deeper dive into certain funds and cost uh areas. So, >> I guess I would throw out there, I think we normally cancel that meeting around
the July 4th. Um, we have two meetings in June. Uh, how does everyone feel about cancelling that July 7th? >> I was going to bring the same thing up. >> That's that's fine. Yes, I'm sorry.
>> July 7th. We normally don't have a >> meeting that out. >> Well, we have two in June. We have June 2nd, June 16th. >> You can move it, Bill. >> Oh, you can move it. It's just >> if you you can't get rid it. I thought
the inquiry was whether we can get rid of the July meeting. You have to meet once a month. >> Yeah, definitely have to meet once a month. >> So, we push it. Well, we need to also is your uh tenative budget resolution um is required. So you could move that to later in July. It's usually >> uh late July is the deadline. So if we
move that back say to uh the 14th or the 21st, we should be fine. >> 21st should be good. >> Uh the 14th. >> The four, excuse me, the July.
>> Yeah. Which one did you guys pick? >> Something that just Well, >> I guess I have a question. So, what's I think there's a reason for the July 16, right? >> July 14th. That's good. >> What was the reason for the July 16? >> No, I said July 18th usually this year
was the um Oh, you're saying for the June dates. >> Yeah. Um why were there I forget why there's two in June. I think there's a reason, right? >> We do like a budget presentation before you adopt your resolution. So we do a a longer June meeting. June 4th's a little
tight, >> right? >> So we hit that second June meeting and then you follow up a month later by adopting the tenative maximum millage rate which then gives us so if we present the budget and you're like we know we want
to say or we might be forced to the roll back rate then we would have to change that resolution and then that would require David and I and Susie to spend more time digging in. So it just gives us a little bit of flexibility between the initial budget we present and
adopting that maximum millage rate. >> Could we then the issue on the July 7th if you wanted that move? Uh what about the July 14th the very next Tuesday? >> It's fine with me. I don't know how everybody >> July 14th I rather have the 21st.
>> I can't make Oh, I would be here. >> I I won't be here the 14th. But we're all there on the seventh. >> No, seventh will be back. Seventh will be back. That's usually the fourth of July holiday. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. So that week is no good.
>> And is the sometime on earlier on that week on 13th or is that not good either? >> Because the 14th is bad for you. >> What's July 1st? >> Uh is it Tuesday or July? close to um the 4th >> Wednesday.
>> I mean, I I I could do July 1st. I don't know how everybody else feels. July 4th is that Saturday, so a lot of times the week before, the week after, you know, >> I could do July 1st. >> I I can do July. >> It's a Wednesday, though. >> Wednesday, that's a problem.
>> And I think July 2nd is getting close to the 4th of Jul. I mean, imagine people I imagine the 3rd is a probably a holiday. Um, >> yeah, >> I guess technically we could do the 28th if people want the
>> Won't be here in >> the 28th either. I've gone from the July 17th to the beginning of August, but I I can do it any any time prior to, you know, >> well, at this point, we could just pick one and Okay, >> keep who? We could maybe zoom somebody in if they needed to just
>> slightly participate. We just have to have a We should physically be here. >> What date would you want to do that? Go back to the 14th. >> How many How many will not be available physically here on the 14th? >> You two are wrestling it out. Oh, you got to arm wrestle. >> Yeah. No matter.
>> Commissioner Goldberg, Commissioner late classes. So, >> whatever the rest of the board would like. >> I mean, we can disc and then um >> now um I have um a request, two
requests. Um on May 5th I will be returning on May 5th flying in. So I but I'm available after that if it can that May date can be moved if it's a Tuesday the subsequent uh the next one or the 12th or 19th
if um if that's good with the the board. >> Either of those dates are good for me. I don't know how everybody else feels. >> Yeah, everything is good for Which one is the 12th? The 12th. >> 12th. >> Okay. >> Okay. May 12th. >> And
>> we can move them >> a magistrate. >> We can move him >> on the 12th. But you or you could have the magistrate somewhere else or you can move >> we can move the magistrate. >> And the the other request I have is the August 4th date. I return as I said earlier on August
5th. Is it possible to move that to August 11th? I know it gets closer to >> and then we have another meeting. >> But you have August 18th. >> Do we have to have an August 4th since we have an August 18th? >> You don't. I get a little nervous cuz
we're getting close to budget date. That's like prime time for us. And I know it's prime travel season and people don't really care for Florida in August and September, but it is our busiest time for budget uh statutory approvals. So, if you just move it back a week, I'd
at least like to have the extra August. Maybe we could cancel it later in the year as things unfold, but at this point, it would be helpful to have that extra August date. >> So, the 11th would be what? How does everybody else feel about August 11th?
>> Is August 11th good? >> I I see people nodding for August 11. Is that good? Okay. Thank you. And that's it for me. >> Any other conflicts? Have we ironed them all out?
>> Yes. Yes, we're good. Okay. Do you have all those changes? Okay. >> Oh jeez. >> No. What? Um, >> so it's May 12th. Yes. >> July 14th, August 11th, November 5th.
>> Correct. >> Yep. Okay. >> Do you need a motion on this? >> We do. Okay. Please >> make a motion to approve the town commission meeting schedule for 2026 calendar year. Second.
>> As as amended. as amended. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much everybody. You >> moving on to new business item C. approve the award of bid and authorize the mayor to execute a contract with
Southern Ridge Road uh Road and Bridge LLC for the Belo Bridge Rehabilitation Project in an amount of $550,191 in accordance with invitation to bid number 25-003. >> Good afternoon everybody. Scandendrick,
town manager's office. Uh so just a quick rundown. We issued bid 25003 for the Belo Bridge uh road rehab. We got three bids as you can see a bit of sticker shock from the bids we got. Uh engineers estimate was 270,000. We ended
up getting bids for 581,000 615,000 and 697,000. So bit over the estimate. Uh we did the best and final offers with them, which is basically where we can say we didn't like anyone's price and we're going to
cancel the bid if you guys don't change your prices. Uh we were able to get 10% off of Southern Road and Bridge, which is the vendor we are recommending for award today. >> Think we ought to get rid of the engineer. >> Yeah. I like is there a reason like was
there a >> was there a specific item that was uh underestimated from the engineer >> pretty much across the board? >> Yeah, >> they had a hard time estimating this project. This sanitary sewer project they had some trouble with as well. I don't know if they just had a difficulty
with these two scopes or >> uh just whatever's going on in their office, but they kind of missed the mark. Yeah, there was an uncomfortable phone call with me and Pat and Sergio and them about, you know, why they can't get it right. So, >> but we need to do the project. Uh F
DOT's put us on order to make the corrections uh on the uh structural elements. So, we need to definitely at least get that done. Um but at this point, we're recommending just do the whole project um put it behind us. >> The the um the quote looks good good to
me. The references look very very good to me. My only question in reading it and mentioning are we putting enough of a contingency in there? >> Um, it's probably not a question I could answer. Uh, but I I'm pretty comfortable with it because the scope is pretty
detailed on the bridge part and um they could make the request should something bizarre happen to some type of procurement uh on the market for raw materials. But uh it's very specific. It says a bridge company, so they have a pretty good idea
what they're doing. >> Yeah. And uh one point of note in here, as you can see, Southern Road and Bridge isn't technically the lowest bidder. Uh Ker Construction beat them by about $250. We weren't comfortable with Ker's uh references, and we really like Southern
Road and Bridges. So you know the negligible difference we went with southern >> time project >> that's probably more of a patent Sergio question. Uh I know we've already been in discussion with South Florida engineering services who's going to be
the oversight engineer on the project. So, I think it's also going to be uh dependent on their schedule as well. >> Just that offse. >> No, I think it's just going to be after the holidays. Uh because again, they'll they'll maintain traffic. Uh we're just going to close the bridge
though. Just kidding. No. Uh just kidding. Um so, >> we'll stay here. We'll stay at the firehouse. >> On boat only. Um >> so, uh yeah, they'll they'll maintain traffic. So, we'll but we'll do it um uh probably right after the holidays when
everyone's schedule looks good. You usually don't want to start a project like December 20th because they'll start and then disappear for two weeks. So, >> and given that the uh the actual amount was so much more than the estimate, how does that fit into our budget? Um
>> we have room. I mean uh we did well. Uh I don't see Susie to give me a smile about the trial balance from the last fiscal year, but we're we're fine. we can handle this. It's it's >> while it's we didn't want to spend it here, we had the dollars available through capital um and other underspent
accounts from last year to to handle this >> absorb it. Okay. >> Okay. I'm in favor. I don't know. Um >> in favor though >> any any public comments about this item? No. >> Every is everyone in favor? Yep. >> Yeah.
>> Yes. I have a I have a question on the agenda. Uh we refer in D to resolution 2025-029 but the resolution before me I have a budget amendment is 028 not 029.
Is is there a typo or are they two different things? The text of the resolution is 0 through 8. It's just the agenda that refers to it as 029. >> 029 is Oh, and 23. Wow, that is really
messed up. Do >> you see on the uh on the agenda? >> Yeah. All over the board there, >> the text of the resolution is 02. So >> okay
>> for the resolution is 28. >> Yep. >> Not 29 or 23. >> 28. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're amending this year's budget to move dollars. Mhm.
>> You technically didn't need to do it, but because of the size of the dollar amount, I wanted you to take that action moving within the general fund, moving the dollars up. So, >> cuz we, David and I said when we start doing these capital projects, we're going to bring you a budget amendment each and every one so you know the exact
amount. >> Okay. We ready for a motion? >> Okay. Motion to adopt resolution 2025-028. We we have to Yeah, I think we're still on C for the project and then we'll Oh, >> we're still in the project. >> I don't believe we had a motion on the Oh, okay.
>> approving the contract. >> Good car. So, a motion to uh approve the award, a bid and authorize the mayor uh to execute a contract with >> now I have here Southern yes Southern
Road and Bridge LLC for the Belo Bridge Rehabilitation Project in the amount of $550,191 in accordance with the invitation to bid number 25-003. Three. Second it.
>> Oh, go ahead. >> I know, right? This needs to get done. >> No, go ahead. No. Peters, uh, Commissioner Peter, second. >> Okay. >> So, Commissioner Goldberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Peters, >> yes. >> Commissioner Chinowski, Vice Mayor Stern, >> yes. >> And Mayor Moore,
>> yes. >> Motion carries. Okay, moving on to item D, resolution number 2025-028. um a resolution of the town commission of the town of Highland Beach, Florida, amending resolution number 2025-023,
which appropriated funds for the 2025 2026 fiscal year budget providing for an amendment to the general fund fund 001 to complete the Belo Road um bridge project as identified in the approved capital improvement plan, providing for
findings and providing for an effective date. seconded. >> Well, I think we need a motion, right? >> I was just reading the item, >> right? Then, um I move uh I make a motion to uh adopt uh resolution number
2025-028. >> Second it. >> Okay. Commissioner Goldberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Peters, >> yes. >> Commissioner Chanobski, Vice Mayor Stern, >> yes. >> And Mayor Moore, >> yes. >> Motion carried.
Next item E, approve and authorize the mayor to execute a new master services and purchasing agreement with Axon Enterprise Incorporated in the amount of 1,299,700 over a 10-year term for the purchase of
Axon 10 Taser, virtual reality training, a 10-year warranty, automatic refresh of all bodywn cameras and docking units, and a host of essential technology for the police Department Chief. >> Good afternoon, Mayor, Commissioners.
Today, you have the Axon agreement in front of you. We currently have a Axon agreement uh in place, which we did, as you know, back in 2021. Um we revisited that again in 2022 with some some amendments and and since then, we've had
a few add-ons uh to the agreement, but this was originally for our our body worn cameras and our incar camera systems. Um and now because we have an opportunity and need to implement some some uh more Axon technology um we're
taking the opportunity to put the existing agreement and the add-ons into one agreement all with Axon and incorporates the the the current cost of what we have. Um, currently we have approximately 6 years
left on our contract that we are within with Axon and that's for approximately $450,000 we have left. This proposed new 10-year contract contract agreement is for 1.299 which would also incorporate and absorb the existing money that's left in in
this contract that we owe. So, this new contract agreement includes configuration, training, a full 10-year warranty on all devices, unlimited data storage with an automatic refresh of all body warn cameras, docking units, uh whenever new c new
equipment or technology is implemented by Axon. Uh that would apply to us. This all applies to our Axon fleet, which is our in-car camera systems. uh our Axon taser 10 the newest latest generation would would be getting the
Axon virtual reality training and o officer safety plan plus the pro pro licenses along with fus which is for real time information center so Axon fleet we have those currently in the car we added additional fleet cameras as we
increased our fleet with your approval for the uh take-home assigned vehicle program uh that was part of the add-ons that that we had into these multiple pieces of Axon. Um, we currently have those. Axon Taser 10 is their latest and
greatest generation of of less lethal device. It's uh it has an expanded range and capacity uh and accuracy and because of that that really reduces the need for for physical force which means less encounters and chances for injuries
for for ourselves and for anybody we interact with. Um and the Axon virtual reality training which we do not have now. So that that's a big piece of what we're going to incorporate in its immersive view virtual reality training platform. It
allows our officers repeatedly to practice deescalation crisis intervention and tactical decision-m in in those safe controlled uh training scenarios. uh it's constant, it's standardized, it's it's training that we
can do uh frequently here on duty. Really reduces that that challenge of getting to training. Uh reduces the overtime involved in that. So it's certainly an important piece for us and what that really does is is helps build that confidence and competency for
officers uh through these training processes. So when they do have to be involved in these type of situations in real life, they are they are certainly prepared. The OSP plus is an officer safety uh
plan that Axon provides. It's these prolicenses for everything that evolves around these pieces of technology that are that we carry in our camera systems, uh in our car and and and in our tasers, um our
cameras. and it it it creates this seamless um piece to to all of the technology that's part of that prolic that that you pay for that's involved. Um and then the last piece is is Fus,
something you've heard me talk about, which is their uh cloud-based platform that integrates video dispatch, community uh resources, and and investigative tools. This puts all of that technology and allows it to put it together. Uh you've heard me talk about
this that as we evolve into our new uh new center here and new lobby that we're going to be able to provide to give the build those opportunities to strengthen those those ties with our community and be able to get into them give us their
video that they want to share businesses or associations or homes. um which would allow us to see cameras that that they provide. They're in their own cameras. This this all this technology comes together seamlessly through Axon.
Um and and that's going to be instrumental in in what we're doing for our crime prevention uh solving crime and and really identify threats early on. Uh and this all goes to enhancing the community safety. So all this essentially is really what it takes
today to outfit our officers with the uh latest mission critical technology. It ensures that we're prepared. It's uh it's an investment certainly an investment in technology for them is an investment in in the safety and and security of uh our town. And you know
that everything we do is is to be able to be proactive on on the prevention of crime and and tied to the safety and security of the town. Um, agreements like this with Axon, the industry standard for for everything technology for officer safety, really
guarantees that we remain aligned with the national best practices and and in in our technology advancements. Um, this is a 10-year contract agreement with Axon. It's uh it's our initial payments for the first five years are
are scheduled at 109,900 and payments increase in the last five years to to 1499. This is a 10-year agreement that that locks in today's pricing there increases of 5% um come January one like they like they
do every year. So certainly here today to to put all this together in in one contract uh one agreement with Axon no different than really whatever mun other municipalities have already done or are doing and certainly the the costs
vary depending on your your number of officers and and what you're providing. So uh we we are right there with with trying to to be ahead of the game. Axon has is the leading industry standard for everything that we do and uh been a good partner in working through us. Their rep
has come come seen us and spent time with us and worked with us on uh on on putting a agreement that's appropriate. They offer a whole lot more than than what we're putting on the table. but certainly what we want to
accomplish here in in our town and the necessity and need to uh to the safety and security of our community. So certainly any uh any questions be glad to answer. >> Oh, I know.
The um the sign that we have when we entered three miles of paradise, we could say three miles of safety and health. You know, we have two chiefs who are focusing on it. We have a town manager who's focusing on it. We have a building inspector who is focusing on
it. And this is another step in technology to actually have this come to reality. Uh people say it's a small town, that's why it's so safe. No, because of the measures and the programs we put in place. This is why we are three miles of paradise. So obviously
chief I'm for it 100% and uh I commend you and the team for moving forward and looking at the best technology out there. >> Thank you. This is it was very exciting when I heard about this and and had discussion with you. Could you um
describe again how the residents uh would benefit with the uh the cameras, how uh the it would interface uh between your techn the town's technology uh with the cameras located uh on each um uh
resident's property. >> Sure. Thank you. Good question. Um what what this is built for fuses is really built for so many municipalities around the country for what they call real-time crime centers because we are fortunate to have such little crime. We
don't like to use the word realtime crime center, right? Our information center. What we were trying to create is to put all of our technology that we currently have into one environment um that that that it all integrates. So we
have uh live feed cameras now. We have license plate recognition cameras uh in multiple places throughout the town. We are installing live feed cameras uh on spots along the inter coastal. We have a long range security camera coming in
through the the the state with the sheriff's office that will be on in our jurisdiction uh along the coast to to to see way out into the ocean. So there's a lot of technology that we need to fuse together and bring it into one place.
What this also offers is that any association, any resident, any business that wants to allow cameras done in many other places. Uh the vice mayor has experienced some of that uh in in in another environment outside the city
where they allow their law enforcement department to remote into their cameras. So you're able to give your association is able to give us that opportunity to see parking lots uh uh your entranceway features the inter coastal whatever you
deem appropriate as a board and as an association or a resident you could allow us to do that. We can then be be able to see that as needed as situations come. So many times we've had issues come up overnight, weekends, and I could
tell you nobody's IT specialist is on site or available at 1:00 in the morning when you're trying to figure something out, see what happened, uh, and check that area. So, it's very time delayed, timesensitive of what we're doing with so many of these things. This will allow
that opportunity for us to be there to see when it happens or right after it happens. And it's just really really goes to how you harden your community for for prevention and crime solution when when something does. >> No, I I think it's excellent. I mean, if
if if someone is um um let's say as as an illustration on the dock, uh I see uh someone that I've never seen before. I'm alarmed. I'm alone. I can call the station. You can call 911 or maybe a
non-emergency number and say this and you will contemporaneously be able to see this person on the dock. So if there is any issues or problems uh it can be uh addressed >> 100% correct. Conceptually
eyes can be on that scene before the officer even arrives there. So that it just creates the best possible scenario for everybody because someone's watching what's happening, what's going on, and uh it it really impacts your
effectiveness in your community when you're able to do that. >> The last question I have is what about cost to the uh association or the private homeowner? >> Sure. And that and that's something we'll be presenting after the holidays going into next year as this all this
final piece comes together and what we're we're um the town manager is allowing us to do with our our new lobby and whole new system there. Uh there'll be presentations made to our associations, our residents. It's a small amount maybe several hundred depending on on the cameras that your
core system that you would incorporate into your camera systems. And what the beauty of this thing is it covers so many different everything's compatible. It makes everything compatible, right? So whatever system you have is different from your system is different from somebody else's security system. We can
bring all that together and still be able to view that and see that as we need to. So yeah, it's a very very nominal cost. Uh you'll be surprised as we're able to break down those those numbers and give the people the opportunity to do that. We've seen other municipalities where they've gotten um
uh great buy in by their residents because they want people to be able to have that opportunity to see their property, especially people people that leave for uh so many so much long out of out of the year. They're here for very sometimes very short periods of time. They really uh look forward to have that
opportunity, somebody have eyes on their property if they need to. So with with regard to the cost the 10 the 10-year contract um technology is changing so quickly uh what during that period of time if there are upgrades what happens
to this >> correct that that will be that's part of the whatever we have initially agreed for in this contract upgrades to those initiatives take place during those 10 years and it stays locked in as today's
price for the next 10 years. So, uh, they offer a a a a drone type of DFR, calls drone a first responder, which is a a drone that you mount somewhere in your roof on your anywhere in your municipality, and you're able to launch that drone from the roof. That's not
part of this contract. If that's something that we choose to move forward to uh going into next year and beyond, that's additional cost. That's something separate. So this is not everything that that Axon offers obviously uh but that's a part of it something that we see value
in and it's something evergreen contract everything that we procure under this will be renewed so all the taser software upgrades or changes it's built into the contract we don't pay additional costs correct yeah okay >> that's all I have thank you I I'm for
this absolutely >> yeah this this is why we're the safest one of the safest towns in in Florida because you being proactive. The police department, the fire department, the whole town is proactive. I mean, I was
reading about this taser uh 10 at 45 ft away. It's got accuracy to, you know, shoot somebody. I wish I had this stuff when I was on the job there. But all this stuff is great. I mean, I was on the Axon website last night and it shows
you all the videos of everything. It's amazing what could be done. And I know you're talking about the I mentioned at one of our board meetings when I heard about this camera system and everybody in my building is for giving you four or five cameras, whatever you want to see.
Uh I mean it's a great system. Uh uh thank you for doing all the homework and everything. Thank for it. >> I I think it's terrific. It's value added. The only question I have is is this an additional funding? Is it
budgeted? How are we going to fund this? I guess we could ask that how >> we can absorb the additional cost in year one and then out years it will be budgeted because the first year is a small incremental change because we're already under contract for 50 60 grand.
So it's like a 30 40 grand jump. We we have those dollars and then next year we'll budget for whatever the 109 or something like that. So it just incrementally increases. So latter years were budget. It's just our commitment to it above and beyond the current contract, which again, as he mentioned,
did transfer over to the new contract. >> I I think it's great. Thank you. >> Yes, I'm very much in favor and I agree with everything that's been said so far. And also, I like the um seems like it will keep our our officers safer, right? Because you're going to it's going to
have more eyes on what's going on in the situation. Um, so it it you kind of see what's coming. Hopefully you wouldn't get to an area and then, you know, be completely surprised. Hopefully this
would um kind of see what like you had mentioned, you can kind of see what's going on before the officer gets there. And um the longer distance for the tasing, I think that also helps with safety for the officer. So, you know, this technology will, you know, should
help with with all that as well, keeping officers safe. So, I'm very much in favor. Um, I think it's uh, you know, not that much of an increase, um, for for what we're getting. And I I really I really like the proactive aspect of it
and the prevention aspect that you always um, promote. I I like that a lot. I would much prefer the prevention as opposed to, you know, having any actual crime. So, I very much appreciate that. >> Chief, would you say this is a force
multiplier? >> He's learning. He's he's doing very well. He catches on fast. Uh it really is. and for for a small department for us to implement this this type of technology has such value for certainly certainly our offices but but really ultimately uh the community and the
things we do and really appreciate that we have a group now that recognizes as town manager that supports these efforts that um we don't just wait for something to happen and try and solve a crime or deal with something after that. So all of our efforts really focus on what
we're doing proactively to the safety and security of this town and uh when this group supports that constantly th this is what makes us so good. So appreciate what uh the support that we constantly get from from and all everybody in the town but but certainly
you you group this group as the leadership group of the town. So thank you thank you town manager for uh always finding ways to support us financially and and everything else that we do. And again, just to stay on the public safety side, this can be useful for other events and rescues out on the intra coastal on the beach. We'll be able to
have visual there to prep the other first responders um when they get to the site. So, >> I think that's excellent. >> See, do what they didn't realize it's easy access from the water. So now what we're experiencing late at night uh are
some of folks that are now coming up and some of the younger generation getting onto the docks trying to get into our property. >> So I mean every positive uh and I think this is another step to make sure that we're ahead of the game. >> Absolutely.
>> Thank you, Chief. Thank you for all that you do for us. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for keeping us safe. >> Do we need a motion on this? >> Please. >> Yes. I I move to approve and authorize uh the mayor to execute uh a new master
services and purchasing agreement with Axon Enterprise Incorporated. >> Second it. >> Commissioner Goldberg, >> yes. >> Commissioner Peters, >> yes. >> Commissioner Chinowski and Vice Mayor Stern,
>> yes. >> And Mayor Moore, >> yes. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you very much. Moving on to item F, consideration to approve a bestin interest acquisition and authorize the mayor to execute a proposal with RMS
Corporation in the amount of $4,895 per month for janitorial services at the town municipal complex in accordance with invitation to bid number 25-001. >> There we go. >> Bridges and janitors both very
important. Uh so this goes back to uh January where we had our bid for a new janitorial company cuz our contract with our previous one had expired. Uh we'd received 15 bids and we ended up going
with our low bidder who was Green Facility Inc. uh they'd passed their background check and their references and they started in April and then after what's been about 6 months we are looking to terminate the agreement just because the service has not really been
up to standard. Um we've had to bring them in multiple times. Pat and Sergio have brought them in. Uh corrective action has not taken place. So now we're looking to terminate and move on to a u a new vendor. Normally what we would do in a situation like this is we would
just move on to the next low bidder. So going from 15, we would go to 14. Uh obviously pending references and background checks. Again, we had kind of a unique opportunity come up though because Armis Corp is actually the same cleaning staff that we had used
previously. they had just been under um kind of like a a third-party staffing company who uh who charged a finders fee on top that we found out a very significant fee. Um for example, we were paying them up in the final months uh a
little bit north of like $92,000 for the year, which came out to like a little over $7,000 a month, I think. And they were saying once they've moved on from this staffing company, they could match the low bid of $58,000 a year. So, if we go back to them, we know we'll be
getting the same high level of service that we had previously gotten, but we'll be saving about $35,000 a year, which was the goal of the bid. So, that's why uh best interest acquisition for janitorial companies, you know, kind of creative, a little bit unique, but we think it's a a win-win based on the the
scenario that came up. >> Okay, >> sounds good to me. Any other discussion of that? No, sounds good. We're saving money and we're familiar getting better service. We know the that the labor force is is good. >> Um it's a win-win.
>> Yeah. >> Thank you for the work. >> Yes. Thank >> we can have a motion. >> Yes. >> Uh I move to approve uh the best interest acquisition and authorize the mayor to execute the proposal with Alis.
>> Okay. Commissioner Goldberg. Yes. >> Commissioner Chanobski. Commissioner Peters. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Stern. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Moore. >> Yes. >> Motion carry. >> Moving on to town commission comments. Commissioner Towski. >> Yes.
>> Same. We have JO. >> I think that Madison and Stender and the team have done just a done a fabulous job. Um there's going to be well a thousand people there. Uh, and um, if you've been to any
restaurants lately or been shopping, you'll notice that prices are quite high. It's hard to get out of a restaurant nowadays while spending some some bigger dollars. So, I feel that the offer of people getting some free food
and some wine, white wine of course, and red wine is going to be very, very exciting. And you're going to have well over a thousand people there. So, we'll be greeting everyone. And again I want to say thank you to the team because some out of an event background putting
together events takes time detail and a lot of responsibility and um I commend them. They have quite a few people already pre-registered. So um that's where I'm coming from. Thank you very very much Judy. I want to know.
>> Well, I I want to to uh thank um the Catholic Church, our church here, uh for uh permitting us to use their property uh for the good of uh our town. Uh it's always so appreciated by every one of us
in the commission and our town, our staff, and every resident. And I would like to wish a happy Hanukkah and a merry Christmas to everyone. Uh I'd also just like to report that uh a number of us did attend the National League of
Cities recently in Salt Lake City, Utah. I found it very worthwhile. They had some uh really very good um meetings and seminars and we had uh an opportunity um uh to uh enjoy ourselves together on a
social um presentation which we always enjoy. Um, and that's it for me and happy new year to everyone. >> Yeah, I'd just like to uh reiterate some of those facts. I said uh we had great time. We learn we did like Judy said, we
did learn quite a bit and met some uh different people in different cities and that the only complaint they had was no snow. The Easter seems to be getting the snow for skiing. Uh anyway, but I've u the mingle jingle. I looking forward to
see all new faces and new people at the mingle jingle. And I'd just like to uh say what Judy said, thank the father and St. Lucy's church for having these events uh here. We really appreciate it. Thank you. >> I would I would agree. The only problem
with the National League of City convention was 34 degrees in a threemile walk through dinner. It was five months. Ser seriously seriously we did we did learn a lot
about um different aspects of drones and uh uh AI and a lot of related things and uh a lot of discussion uh on the proposed real estate um uh taxes and what's going on and the concern of many
especially in some of the smaller towns how it's going to affect all of us and I I do think it was very worthwhile. >> Yeah, that's great. Um yeah, I'm also looking forward to the Mingle Jingle and uh I just want to extend my appreciation
to the church for being a partner for for us um in the community. Um this is uh really important for community engagement and to um celebrate the festivities of the holiday and just want
to you know truly extend um our gratitude for Father Han's partnership and the and the church's partnership you know with with um our to me I I see this as part of our like a big reason we do
this is strategic in um initiative with respect to community community engagement and just how important it is and how much everyone gets out of this. Um I after these these um events I'm
constantly approached by by residents to say how much they really appreciate it and enjoyed it. So um and it it really couldn't be possible without without our partners St. Lucy Church and Father Han. So, thank you very much,
>> town attorney. >> No, ma'am. Just uh merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah. Happy New Year. I can't believe it's that time already. >> Yeah. What is that? It's two weeks to Hanukkah, three weeks to Christmas. My gosh, that's like right here. >> Thanks to my wife for doing the shopping, I guess. Uh the holidays are coming quick. Um but yeah, the National
League of Cities was great. Again, I was glad you all got a chance to interact with not only vendors but other municipalities and seeing how especially with the drone software, the Fus, even though it was Flock, you know, they have a lot of the same type of equipment and
and how that was working in LA, I thought was very rewarding of all the sessions I thought was the most important. I'm glad we could all be together to hear at the same time. So, that was uh really good. I learned about New York blocks versus what a kid from suburbia outside of Detroit would call a
block. I I underestimated him. >> Yeah. But otherwise, yes, happy holidays. Mingle Jingle's going to be great. Madison, thank you. Spender, thank you. I got a great team. >> Um again, we're still keeping our eyes on legislative session as that starts to
pick up. Uh it's going to be a very interesting winter and legislative session coming up. So uh you know keep your eyes uh peeled and your ears open. Hopefully something uh will come out of that or uh some reasonleness at some
point uh will come to bear. Other than that uh Michigan State's going to win this weekend, Len. So um other than that, thank you very kindly. >> Moving on to announcements. Board vacancies. Code enforcement board. We have one vacancy for a three-year term.
Natural Resources Preservation Advisory Board also has a vacancy for an unexpired term ending April 30th, 2027. Upcoming meetings and events. Um, as we mentioned, the U Mangle Jingle on Thursday. Um, December 9th at 1:00, we
have the special magistrate hearing. December 11th at 9:30 in the morning, we have the planning board meeting. Um, December 24th through the 25th, the town hall is closed in observance of Christmas. January 1st, town hall is closed in observance of New Year's Day.
And then our next meeting of the town commission is on January 6th at 1:30 in the afternoon. And with that, we can adjourn. Thank you very much, everyone. >> Thank you.