excuse me I do have so good evening I'm going to call the meeting to order 5:34 PM this is the uh February meeting of the rent control board this meeting is called to order in accordance with the open public meetings
act notice of this meeting was provided to the Home New Tribune The Star Ledger and the Highland Park planet on January 21 2025 and was posted on the bur website at hpb.com and on the bulletin board at burall 221 South with AB
Highland Park New Jersey and has remain continuously posted as required by law so good evening happy New Year it's been a while um so as I mentioned I'm gonna get kick things off because we actually have to elect our chair uh tonight I
don't know if if you saw that on the agenda um but I I wanted to also just take this moment to introduce Jake Callahan he's our assistant administrator and he's still getting his legs under him so I decided to come as a transition meeting here uh but he'll be
taking over the Staffing of these meetings in the long run so um I just wanted everybody to get a chance and I thought maybe we could just go around the table for his benefit um in case he doesn't know everybody at this point um
I'm HP Heather Pierce but HP hi I'm I'm the council liaison to the rent control board hi I'm Diane I think we met yes I'm Lind jar yeah we all right so with that um
like to uh move to I wish i' flipped the order of these items but uh go to approval of the minutes from the September 26th meeting if you can just off your memory banks um motion to approve second you want to take track of the
Motions uh thank thank you um can you just do all in favor okay thanks now we're on to board organization um according to our ordinance we need to establish a chair and a vice chair on an annual basis at
our first meeting of the year which this is so I'd like to entertain a motion would anybody like to move uh themselves or someone else to be a chair I nominate HP I second that HP will you I'll accept accept for
one more year honor um now s coaching okay all right so I'm GNA take a quick roll call I'm just going to look at you I'm not going in alphabetical Jared yes or no yeah I yes
Linda yes and you don't have a vote HP vote for yourself or okay um uh we also need to elect a vice chairperson in the event that our chair can attend the meeting um can I entertainment our current Vice chair is lucenda can I entertain a motion I move to appoint
lucenda to the vice chairman chair person position second okay great I'm gonna take a roll call Jared sounda you AG to this yes alrighty so we now have that and I would like to with that pass the
mantle on to our our reelected chair uh HP do we have jar Jake circulate the meeting schedule uh to everybody I don't think it's attached here but hopefully we've added you to the calendar so I just wanted to reiterate that's our meeting schedule and it's I think the
still on Thursday the last third or the fourth Thursday mon unless we have a holiday or something so we already noticed those meetings I just wanted to remind everybody to hold those dates we will likely cancel a bunch if we don't have a pending matter like we have in the past but I just want you to keep
those dates on your calendar to here otherwise all right the chair will entertain a motion to approve the 2025 meeting schedule I need to approve the 2025 meeting schedu a second
second all in favor I opposed extensions motion carries uh 2025 meeting schedule is approved all right next on the agenda we have the resolution um since this was sent out by
sna I think I'm going to yield the floor to you to explain um whatever rationale you wanted for these and then I think we'll move uh to uh entertain any motions we want to amend this document before we accept it basically it was if you want to explain that yeah it was
sop's advice that especially for that action which is kind of one of our core actions that we even though we voted on it before the end of the year and we've already been running with the new annual increase publicly and so forth that we at the next available meeting certify
this certification certification of what you've already deci discussed and so it's just 3.5% oh this is the resolution form of this sorry I was moving I was moving ahead already that's why I was wondering why that so it's the first time we're doing a resolution like that so I just that's why I thought you might have been asking so essentially that's
certification of your decision from last year on the 3.55% increase this is just now tying up with a ribbon and just noting we don't actually have any discretion over r at this point right because it's we've already been it's in the ordinance it's already been approved we already approved it this is a
formality so we but we do need to move and second it all that stuff all right the chair will entertain a motion to uh to P to uh certify the annual rent increase for 2025 I'm to
certified we have a second second all right do we want to do a a roll call for this one I think probably all right um are you recording roll calls can you yeah can you roll call us just okay oh this is a good
test he doesn't have a cheat sheet in front of him right now all right Jared Lucinda Diane HP I the clerk does that for the council coun and it's usually you did a great
job did you get that all recorded thank you so we did this last mayor and Council no you guys have nothing this thist does it yeah yeah yeah but we like last year we did that so so in the future they would do this and then we would do it at the next meeting we just
haven't had a meeting since we did that oh okay and that's that's the only reason the resol is taking this long oh got it uh but if we had had a meeting in October this resolution would have been there and but it doesn't this is just for the board yes okay that's right uh
motion carries so um resolution is passed resolution uh 20 25-1 on the books thank you unanimous unanimous all right now moving on to a discussion of possible ordinances I will
yield the floor to SNA to um to present these changes I think we had I would like to raise um yield the floor first to lucenda I think we had some concerns over what was here versus what we had discussed last time and something that's come up in the moon time that I want to
address as well there was a ATT tenant who approached me and I I this is the person I emailed you about and he actually send me an email so I have what he has to say here but I think we should take that into consideration for the
ordinance um so that's a new matter so we can wait till the end if we wanted to I think so we're disc that's something that I want to I just want to make sure we discuss it [Music] because yeah yeah i' prefer focus on that's a new
thing but so but there are other ordinances that deal with the same issue and I found okay I just I'm not saying no I just I think it be fair to everybody else to sure no yeah so so a couple things is I know that we had
discussed a number of points and things that we wanted to look into I sent you guys a confidential memo that is confidential attorney client and we're not going to talk talk about that but it's for you to review and to digest I am available to
speak to each one of you one onone if you have any additional questions um the second thing also too and I think this is something we need to be mindful of is that the rent leveling board is here not only like currently we're trying to do
some changes to the ordinance but also it serves to hear um applications that have come through whether it's hardship or Capital sometimes unfortunately with r leveling board people also feel that it might be a source for landlord tenant
questions and I think that we have to um figure it out of how we're going to field a lot of those questions because at the same token um the governing body is not supposed to be a legal resource is that fair yeah and I I wasn't acting
as a legal resource I'm not saying that no no I'm not saying that but I'm just saying that I know that I'm new to you guys and I you know and in my experience a lot of times a rent leveling board has sometimes been um used as a resource for
that and it's um it's sort of like a conflict of interest you know what I'm saying because if the same board's going to listen to an application later on if if it ends up being that way you don't want to be in a situation where you become a witness in your own case is that fair you know so my referring into
Cherry was perfect okay was perfect and I think that on an ongoing basis I think it's important important that we can gauge then as as a borrow to say hey this is a landlord tenant question and these are the links that you can go to get proper advice on what to do and and
not be in a situation where each of the board members get involved with somebody who may be uh filing an application later on and that's something we want to be mindful of because I know that none of the board members want to be in a situation where the attorney calls you to the stand and testify right so we so
we want to be just kind of careful of that that because questions will come up and you know people are saying well okay you know there's there's an opening here but it's the governing bodies to here to listen to Applications almost like you guys it's a statutory board you kind of have to look at you guys almost as a
quasi zoning planning board but it's for rent level like you know is that does that help a little bit uh sure that wasn't my concern that I had my concern was that a lot of the changes that we had discussed were not reflected in the document that you sent so we had um a bunch of notes about for for example
what was a reasonable rate of return we decided I think most of us discussed that there would there should not be a government um guaranteed profit right that's the whole point of capitalism is that you take a risk and uh you get a profit if you do well but to have a government guaranteed one we didn't
think that that 2.5% or whatever it was it was upwards of two two 2% um was fair and I and that was that still somehow made it in this document so I want to know um what else uh I think we've tried to go through and and look at this but I'm I'm concerned that the things that
we discussed are not actually reflected in your document they're reflect this document seems to reflect your initial your initial proposals but does not reflect what was discussed by the board members as far as the advice that we would give to uh to the to to to the council for um considering any changes
to the ordinance Al can I say that ours was a discussion right we didn't correct we didn't vote on anything I but none of that discussion was reflected here if you get by like none of the sentiments that were expressed by any board members were refed here it seems to just reflect
what the attorney yes it was she did address that memo to you guys that was I think we'll still probably motion to amend it though in the in in this so that we yeah because it was addressed in the m i mean we take your advice and and that and that's that's that we still
want to give ours no no I I I heard I heard it I heard it I heard all the meetings but what I'm saying to you is that um I don't have a problem having a one-on-one discussion because it's a confidential memo to have a discussion about it um and then if you decide
that's what it is if you're telling me you read the memo and you still it's your specific position right because it's not not speaking on behalf of the entire board I will take all the notes that you have and then why didn't that happen before I guess is the is the is my question because there were a lot of
things that there seem to be uh um the board or at least a majority of members of the board expressing sentiment in in One Direction and and and this memo seems to reflect only your position which others did not take actually I don't have a position okay my my I mean
excuse me are you looking at me a certain way to say that you don't believe me I'm listening to you go ahead you have the floor number one my job is to provide legal advice okay second thing is is that once I provide IDE you with legal device we can continue having a
discussion okay okay there in no way shape or form was there any motion that was done that something had to be in in B because I was asked to research it so if you had a different perception of what happened in that conversation that's okay but I don't want to be in a situation where you're telling me that
something needed to be in there because you told me to put it in there it was my understanding that the resolution would reflect the discussions that were had and not just the position that no it was a discussion it's a discussion it is a discussion okay it doesn't to reflect any again again I had a memo that I sent
to you and I sent it to each one of the members with confidential memo referring to the comments that you want to put in here and that you want to discuss and get information on you're telling me right now that regardless of what this situation is here in the mammo that I put in you still want to put them in there this is the first time I'm hearing
it that you want to have it in there okay I'll make the notes the first time we've discuss this in no we've had a discussion like we said there was no motion meaning that you want to have that in there we'll be careful to make motions it's not a matter of careful I just think it's kind of strange that you're coming into the position saying I
need to put it in there when when I left that waying I'm not saying you have to put it in there I'm saying I expected the res I expected this document to reflect the discussions that were had and it does didn't does not seem to reflect those discussions okay all right it seems to be very very close to what you had initially proposed it was it was
not my initial proposals okay I have gone through the different versions of this okay and so then you can then you can share with us I'll I'll yield the floor to you you can share with us what has no I want to hear from the board members on what item that you like to that you had an issue with I'm going to
make a note of it because we had already gone through all the points on two meetings now okay so just tell me the the points where you would like to see where you disagree or not and i' like to hear from each member not just uhp thank
you are you suggesting that um these last two meetings that other members have not participated I do I do not uh I do not appreciate that thank you chair has theor now excuse me the chair has excuse me the chair has the floor excuse me the chair has theor the chair has the floor the chair has the floor chair has
the floor ma'am chair has the the chair has the floor at this point I would like to yield to lucenda to go over some of the points that I think um the the board raised last time that we would like to consider for discussion we did talk about just and fear return you had said
the memo was confidential confidential attorney cannot be discussed with so it means that we can't even discuss well you can discuss it with me oneon-one or in in a situation where there's not a quorum of the rent leveling board and then we can discuss it that's why I'm saying to you is is that no one from the board had
called me to discuss any point of this memo and I'm coming to this meeting and I'm being told that X Y and Z was supposed to be in here when I was told to research all of this and I spent a lot of time researching for you guys oh I'm not I'm not denying that no no no no
I I understand that but I'm I'm a little struck at how the tone of this meeting's been going so can you just please tell me the points that you guys disagree with I'll make a note of it of what you what even after you've read the memo if you want to have discussions about the memo afterwards I have no problems with
that but just give me the points that you disagree with and what we discussed because we've gone through a lot of the Clauses in the last meting well the the challenge for me at least as relates to this just and fair return piece okay is that to discuss it would be to discuss
what's in the memo not allowed to discuss so now we can't discuss it at the board no no no you can just tell me if you disagree or not or what or what you want you would like to be in the in here in in the ordinance I guess it would be great for us to have a conversation about it but
you're saying no but obviously there there isn't any discussion because no one called me about the memo so I assume was acceptable I just to be clear I thought when we got the memo we were just supposed to review everything and then we' come here and discuss I didn't realize that we wouldn't be able to
discuss you can't discuss the MEO yeah so I didn't I didn't because because there's points in the memo that expose the borrow because as a governing body it's part of the borrow well the things that would be up for discussion are not about the burough necessarily but for
example um when you talked about there being the risk certain risk for the Burl related to this Justin fear return clause and that that was something I wanted to discuss so we we can I have no problems um You can call me any time and
we can discuss in a more detail um part of protecting the burrow is to make sure that I'm not I'm not giving ammunition to to individuals who can attack the borrow and the people that no I I understand that CH I'm not
saying that's I get that that's um it's just that in the memo you were basically make it making St you know there's precedent for this for that and so this is what the risk is for the burrow and this is why so that was clear I'm not you know that was clear but it would
just be great but we can't talk about it so I think that's where I feel a little like stuck that we can't have a convers so so so why don't we do this why don't you just tell me the points of if it's it just fair return that you that you would like an issue with is there any other points that you have in the oriz that You' like to and we're talking
about elimination of Provisions along those lines just to be clear just setting it to zero I mean I don't think we should guarantee a profit to it's article one under definitions Justin Fair
return I did look at I'm sorry there's two people talking at the same time I I know that you have the floor but I keep hearing something else no no no it's not it's okay um it's article one okay under definitions Justin return okay and when you look at
other ordinances for example like newor I think they have a a rate of return I think it said at like 5% there so 2.5% is lower than what another ordinance has so okay so so you you it's in your opinion that you would like to strike
justtin Fair return as a definition honestly I I want to I'd like to have a conversation about it we're not allowed but I'm just gonna make I have you next after Stephanie I'm just going I'm just going to make a note that you liked it removed okay okay can you tell me about anything
else in the ordance that you like toote so related to there being so students for example who let's say there three of them three people in a the same situation that someone reached out to me that I can sent directly to
Terry the issue there is there are people who let's say one of the roommates moves out and then the landlord says okay now you're under a new agreement but the students are saying no but we've been here this whole time and we're going to get roommate why is this not a renewal why is this now a
new agreement okay which I understand and well one second and I know that there are ordinances that use something called revolving tency such that if there is someone in the unit who's been there this whole
time that's still considered like a an existing tenant they can't go to market on vacancy in that case because it's a revolving T um we can speak about that that offline because obviously we don't have all the facts but you know this is really a lamb of tenant issue and we can
talk about it after the after the but this is what I'm saying is this is one case but there are other cases like that so it's not for example for example someone could have said to me when I came to the board and said oh someone bought my building they're trying to
raise my rent by 52% they could have said to me that's a l to Okay no Okay but I okay so I feel like this is issue that's relevant so how about we speak about it offline because it was about a specific person and I do have the facts because I've seen theil okay why don't we speak
about that afterwards um offline but what I'm trying to say is yes there is a particular person who has a specific situation but I can only give legal advice to specific situations I can't give hypothetical I think we're asking for a specific thing we're asking that to be an example of what you don't have
the floor she does go ahead I'm not asking continue being rude about it okay no it's unacceptable unprofessional you are out of line you're out of line you do not you do not it's not okay to you're not speak this
to the floor you know what I'm I'm not saying that we need advice you know what if if I cannot be respected at this meeting I'm gonna ask I'm GNA leave I can leave Jo the meeting I mean this is unbelievable I don't think we're having a fair conversation here you if you have
a if you want to continue personally attack me I'm not doing it on camera can we take a breath my question was can we go into exact you cannot you cannot it has not been noticed so can we can we notice exact
can't have discussion not tonight no not tonight but we don't just beginning no no no because we didn't notice it to the public wanted to do an exec in the future in the future but you know my my whole thing is is that this is not okay
this Behavior your tone okay I'm the attorney no it's not this how I talk to everyone no no no it's not okay it's unprofessional it's unprofessional you're being extremely unprofessional oh I'm I'm being unprofessional when the chair has the floor you interrupt her over and over and over again okay all
right I'm I'm gonna take a step time I'm gonna call the mayor right now okay because I I want to talk to her about this and I'm gonna come back if you want to take a short recess of this meeting can we take a recess I'm going to leave all right let's take a five minute if
that's okay yeah that's fine okay so it's let's say make it a 8 minute it'll be 605 so if we announce an executive session we can have one and then actually have discussion about this because I don't think I have to get guidance on I think you guys are
whatever you you don't like what's in your proposed amendments or so so you're not going to accept it tonight anyway right well and just reminder Stephanie this is gonna be a recommendation at the but they're not happy with the
recomendation can I say something I just wanted just I just want to discuss disc go ahead J I'm listening to everyone here and I'm trying to and I see everybody's side I think you're you're right you're right
that it wasn't changed it was just a complete lack of communication she did give us a memo that discussed why she didn't change it and and she it could have been more clear and said this is why this is the
recommendation refer to memo for why leave it in because of XY and Z she didn't do that it's as simple as that um do I think we're I think I think we just have to take a step back
I I think it was just the lack of me she did put the work in to tell us why it's still there she just didn't say here's what I'm doing this is why I'm leaving it there that would have theoretically cleared this up right was it clear to you Jared that we would not be able to
discuss this tonight that wasn't clear I thought we were G come here and have a convers you're right that's the second point of lack of communication which was hey guys I made this I I made this this these recommendations unfortunately she didn't tell and maybe
I didn't see I don't recall I read this closely the cover the cover letter email though that the cover letter email to us I want to take a little bit of responsibility as kind of the intermediary I didn't know about the com I we don't have a lot of experiences R
control board period that's right and so let's be real and in haste to get everything out I was like boom boom boom let's get it done I in my mind everybody was going to kind of read this with that to it yeah but I didn't appreciate until I just caught up with
her because because of this exposure issue that she's concerned about so I had realized that myself I would have maybe suggested how can we do this is it possible to do an executive session you know but I didn't know to do that but she's absolutely right and you know this you need to notify the public you're
going to step out I have to get some guidance it's just never done it before I'm trying to I'm trying to she's taking it personally I I understand that and it's it's escalating she brings up one other good point that we should talk about now just
kind of in a relaxed setting our our role at least it's my understanding is to every year set or figure out guidelines to set the rent control the rent control uh rent increase right that's a and b it's to after we get this
final ordinance done and drafted it's to then here uh hardship cases or extraordinary cases I'm I do this for a living every day her question and I'm not is she's
completely right it's a landlord tenant okay I have this all the time I have Apartments here a tenant there's three students one wants to move out can a landlord just re reive you a new lease
up to Market I guess okay that it that's that's that's a a landlord tenant issue it's not we're we're we're here to discuss you're
you're right but it's not we're not here to to interpret landlord tenant laws right well we were only asked to recomend make recommendations like none of this is like us making that's already said like he can't the landlord can't
you can't replace a tent if if two people are there um I think legally you cannot I think and I'm don't don't quote me here because I'm not a lawyer you can't you can't re send a new lease you
can replace that person they can they can go on the lease um and I don't think you can increase that was not the opinion that was received so we haven't talked about that however but that may be the case but and that's my opinion at least that's my understanding I could be
wrong but where I'm going with this is It's a landlord that's that's a landlord tenant dispute that's not a that's not in our scope I guess is what is it's my understanding it could be for a recommendation though and remember not all landlords are as ethical as you
are it this way we have to be careful and I think she was getting that but I'm not sure where she was going with this we're not adjudicating want us set up precedent so and and tell like you know what I'm saying I mean well let me just're not Jud your point and I get a
lot of these calls you got one but I've gotten many and it's you do get sucked into what you end up realizing like this isn't my issue I just you know you get sucked in you want to help you want to add Clarity you also have to be care but I think what I hear you guys
saying is could we give consideration not thumbs up thumbs down maybe yes no but to some Proviso that clarifies that point yeah right that's I think she this is in the rent control board ordinance for New Brunswick right so
like it's something something that was there before on our radar where I'm going with this is and I don't have the answer right here but it's a black and white issue okay it's it's somewhere in you can rent laws and see exactly
where it is just Googling it in 10 minutes and so it's not really it shouldn't be our issue because your student that came to you maybe iice the person that came to you it's
can very pretty easily not even having to call a lawyer could find it in in rent law rent ordinances very quickly well because they're being told oh a real
break get up online I'm feeling uncomfortable that we're getting real substantive take a bre we might have to regurge a little tell us about the staples in your head again they don't hurt anymore they don't hurt as bad coming out I me I kind of does it feel
numb like where where you had the no but then like two months later I show again and I have four stitches right we're going to come out of recess do we need to put like would like to make a recommendation um
so I'd like to make a recommendation did speak to the mayor as well that um like I had mentioned I think you know the ordinance amendments was lack of communication whatever the board is not um you know accepting what's here so I
think uh maybe we can go on to public comment and next month we put this back on the agenda for executive session and because we have to be in talk can and if we have anything else we can do both so
that's how the executive session but we'll probably only have this so I think we'll need a motion to postpone this particular item then in order to move on sure can we get there yeah I Mo that we postpone review of the possible ordinance next mon until we can go into
executive session can we get a second the only one left all right all in favor I opposed exensions Jared you vote I I okay all right motion carries so now we'll move to public comment the meeting ISJ nope we didn't
adjourn the meeting we you have to do public comment hey if you're adjourning the meeting we didn't adjourn the meeting we motion to postpone postpone that item to next month for they moveed to postpone the discussion and we have members of the public Here Yeah by spoke spoke to
the mayor she want to join the meeting is there anything about this board that isn't confidential so did yeah but she just spoke with the mayor that's okay that we same thing same thing she said she was gonna join
the whole meeting though she said yeah so we're moving we're moving this to next month so they we well we got shouldn't we just finish public comment but if you usually when you join the meeting we we didn't we motion to postpone we haven't gotten to adjournment yet there's been no motion
to adjourn no that's your okay so are we cutting off the public comment or not I you know we haven't discussed anything so I'm not sure what the public will comment on they may there may be I mean there's members of the public here
we could ask them in their comments what they would like to comment on I don't feel comfortable sending members of the public home if they've are any of you here to make any public comments at least one you're the elected officer here I'm
not the attorney though I can get sued well I mean we haven't this I don't think this is an attorney issue I think this is a political issue so we've gotten we we motion to postpone so this item is now uh postponed to next meeting we've decided to take it to Executive session and announce that properly ahead of time so that we're able to discuss
this and that moves us next to public comment before adjournment so I would like to take public comment um just to have people come to the microphone and state their name go ahead you state your
name name and address do we want to I don't know do we have to do a name and address uh I name okay name hi I'm Aron Kelly need my address thanks so much for taking public comment I have a babysitter so I'm going to make this quick um I did want to speak to a matter
of policy that uh came up during the discussion um which is I work with a lot of students who rent in Highland Park and have this very concern about revolving tendency um because as uh the law as I
understand it the ordinance is written has vacancy decontrol which means that as soon as there's a new lease then there's a new rent that's not necessarily subject to the limitations on rent control increase and the students I work with there's a lot of
international students a lot of people working you know uh a lot of hours for very little pay and any you know rent increase really eats that their budget and I really want to urge the board to
consider adopting a more uh stringent policy when it comes to allowing uh rents to be reset to market rate the more we have rent control the more we can retain um these wonderful students
and others who add so much uh to our um Vibrant Community so thank you so much thank you Erin any others uh Michael turly thanks so much yes for for allowing public comments uh
I like hundreds of other renters in hila Park I'm a graduate student at Ruckers University uh this Academic Year we reive a cend of $337,000 more or less um and uh so so to
the previous comment um where really the margins are very important for us when it comes to um rent and rent increases to the point of vacancy decol in particular given the um short-term nature of our
appointments um there is we find ourselves often in this situation I'm finding myself in this situation this coming uh June of some folks leaving the lease but not all
there is precedent in the New Brunswick um rent Control Ordinance for uh where vacancy de control is only triggle triggered if all of the tenants leave um
uh do not renew their lease so um I would strongly recommend uh that we in Highland Park consider um this in our rent ordinance as well given the uh how many how high a percentage of our
renting population is students is graduate students in a very similar situation thank you yeah hi my name is Kate Stevens um I appreciate the following of correct procedure to not adjourn when an
adjournment motion was not made um and I would just like to note uh one again that there is precedent for this uh revolving tency thing in New Brunswick which means it is you know under a purview that a rent control board could have um I also want to note that
um in situations where um this issue is brought to the attention of a member of the board that does not necessarily mean that a member is asking for specific help but perhaps drawing attention to one of the many situations that can happen uh with renters that
they might not personally know about and in fact simply adds to their information about some things that might be under their purview no one is an expert in every single thing and so it is important to hear about others experiences such as we have in public
comment um and additionally uh it is even if it is already not allowed um one of the things that a rent control board does by adjusting the ordinances is making it clearer um what exactly the uh
position of this uh uh municipality is um so that people who have limited amounts of time don't have to go digging and hire lawyers to figure out a basic question that's a huge hardship uh to have to hire a lawyer to figure out
whether or not something that is illegal is illegal in the first place and being able to write that in clear language on the ordinances um also makes it a lot easier to talk to your landlord about that um and I know this comes up a lot uh when it comes to making sort of
exemptions between you know oh there's only two apartments in this one or one apartment in that one uh I I think that making exemptions for first or for one and two apartment buildings is a a lot of those landlords have multiple buildings um and therefore can still
have a control over a dozen or so right Apartments um in the area and so they still have control over a larger portion of tency um than you know the idea of the mom and pop landlord would would suggest rules are helpful rules make
things easier for people to be correct it does not stop them from being more generous than they already want to be um it it simply provides guard rails so that everyone can understand what rules we're playing in thank you K any others about
[Music] online oh More Jamie Balan I just wanted to uh note real quickly so some of the current materials that have gone out with regard to tenants rights um particularly uh
caps on rent Ines um they're not really explicit about what uh what the ordinance is they just sort of have ordinance numbers um that's not particularly helpful um for tenants to learn their rights we can look to some places like North for instance for
examples of cities that actually require uh landlords to notify their tenants and um certify that they've notified their their tenants of uh their rights so I would love to see how par adopt something similar
any others any online any last words all right the chair will now uh um entertain a motion to adjourn meeting second third the only one the second so um all
right uh C no C no objection motion is or meeting is adjourned see you all next month we do need to um no