start reorganization meeting uh the statement of compliance. >> Oh, sorry. I'm late. >> There he is. Now we're going to start. Well, >> so sorry. >> That's okay. Since it's since pre-organization, I'll start it anyway. You have a seat. >> I have a seat.
>> The meeting is called to order in accordance with the open public meetings act. Notice of this meeting is provided by Home News Tribune, the Star Ledger and the Highland Park Planet on uh the 10th of 2026 and is posted in Burough website at www.hp
burrow.com and on the bulletin board uh at the burrow uh 221 south district park, New Jersey has remained continuously posted in accordance with law. Uh the fire exits on the left and the right of council chambers. Please speak into the microphones.
Now, in terms of the reorganization, we've done the um the client statement, if you'll be kind enough to do the vote. >> The mics are working by the way. >> Mr. Dickerson, Mr. Fetcher,
>> present. >> Mr. Feeasant, >> present. >> Mr. Hawker, >> present. >> Mr. Mr. Hol >> present. >> Miss Corbin >> here. >> Miss Leslie >> here. >> Mr. Rothberg. >> Mr. Vining >> present. >> Miss Walsh
>> present. >> Mr. Winfrey >> present. >> Mr. Thomas >> here. >> Mr. Cassanza >> here. >> Mr. Robinson >> here. >> Councilman Hail. >> All right. I think they were done. Right. We're set. Uh the first order of business for the order reorganization
meeting of uh 2026 of the zoning board of adjustment for the burrow excuse me park is the appointment of a chair. Uh do we have a nomination for that position to nominate from? >> Okay. Is there a second to that nomination? >> I second.
>> Uh there are a motion and a second. Are there any other nominations? Hearing none. The nominations are closed. Roll call vote please. >> Mr. Fector. >> Yes. >> Mr. Fez. Yes, >> Mr. Hol. >> Yes, >> Miss Corbin.
>> Yes, >> Mr. Winfrey. >> Yes, >> Miss Walsh. >> Yes, >> Miss Leslie. >> Yes, >> Mr. Viny. >> Yes, >> Mr. Chairman, the meeting is yours.
>> Thank you. And thank you so much for your confidence and your vote. And I will promise I will be better next time. Not coming at the last minute. One of those days at work that are different. Let's put that.
>> So the next uh officer to be elected would be a vice chairperson. Do you have any nominations for that? >> I nominate Miss Corman. Very second. >> I'll second that nomination.
>> Is there any other nomination? Hear the nominations are close. >> Mr. Fector, >> yes. >> Mr. Fez, >> yes. >> Mr. Hol. >> Yes. >> Mr. Winfrey.
>> Yes. >> Mr. Haler. >> Yes. >> Miss Walsh. >> Yes. >> Miss Leslie. Yes, >> Mr. Ving. >> Yes, >> thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you for serving. Um, so the next uh officer to be selected will be the secretary >> and this will be the board secretary meaning that it's a board member. uh there you have chosen and that's perfectly okay to end up having a board person as a secretary and then you will
find later on excuse me you'll have the uh uh recording secretary uh that'll be a separate position so it's Morgan could you just tell us who the last board secretary >> stand just so everybody knows
>> nominations so I would call for nominations >> um I nominate Stan That's it. >> Anybody second? >> Thank you. Do any other nominations? Then the roll call, please. >> Mr. Fector,
>> yes. >> Mr. Hall, >> yes. >> Miss Corbin, >> yes. >> Mr. Win, >> yes. >> Mr. Hawer, >> yes. >> Miss Walsh, >> yes. >> Miss Leslie, >> yes. >> Mr.
Yes. >> Great. Thank you all. So then uh the next on our list is the appointment of professionals and staff and uh so we don't have any nominations. We just >> I guess to tell you >> do we have any other lawyer in the room
who would feel delighted to have serve us? >> Uh if you can Mr. J if you choose to do it individually or if you would like uh and if the board isn't concurrent you can do uh the attorney the planner and the engineer uh together but that's up to the board.
>> Anybody agrees with that procedure because we basically know the people. >> What what's the board coordinator? That's >> we'll get there. >> No, no, that's a secret. Hold on. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Didn't you just say so are these the professionals planner and engineer for
this? Yeah, let's we can do that. Let's do that. >> You could do it if you choose. You could do them individually if you choose. It's up to you. It's your book. I'm just making a suggestion if you want. >> So, because there's a secret at the end. So, let's do one by one and be it doesn't take too long. So, let's do that. Let's do that. So,
>> um for the attorney, would we stay with our um current attorney? Anybody? >> I think so. Action. Roll call, please. >> No, no, you need a second. >> Oh, you need a second. I I second.
>> There we go. >> That's a rousing vote of confidence, I guess. So, >> but I'll take it. >> Mr. Fector, >> yes. >> Mr. Pheasant, >> yes. >> Mr. Hall, >> yes. >> Miss Corbin, >> yes. >> Mr. Winfrey,
>> yes. >> Mr. Hoffer, >> yes. >> Miss Walsh, >> yes. >> Miss Leslie, >> yes. >> Mr. Thank you all. >> Thank you. So then I would uh nominate Do you have a nomination for Chris
Cosensa to continue our final? >> I'll second that. >> Okay. >> Nominate. >> Nobody yet. I ask for nomination. >> Oh, nominate. >> You nominate. >> I'll second. >> 10 seconds. Great. >> Roll call, please. >> Mr. Fector.
>> Yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Miss Hall. Mr. >> Yes. Miss Corbin, >> yes. >> Mr. Winfrey, >> yes. >> Mr. Holer, >> yes. >> Miss Walsh, >> yes. >> Miss Leslie,
>> yes. Mr. B, >> thank you. I'm honored. >> Thank you. Looking forward to the ongoing good collaboration. >> We'll have some activity. I promise. >> Okay. Okay. Good. Good. So uh as there is a if I may say a new face as an
engineer maybe you could if you would like to introduce yourself a little bit before we appoint you as our engineer. >> My name is Eric Robinson. I work for CME Associates. I work closely with Bruce for the past 20 some odd years. He recently retired so I will be taking over his position. Been a licensed
engineer since 2004. So I'm familiar with Kyl Park and procedures and again I've worked with Bruce over the over the period before his retirement. Do we hear a nomination questions? >> Oh, please. Yes. Any questions? >> Can you tell us further counts that you
were >> uh Rosel the borrow the city of Rosel up in Union City Union County is where I've primarily done a lot of my board work. Eric has been uh approved and nominated and approved for the planning board uh
engine which is a continuation uh that they felt was appropriate uh to stick with CME and he's also indicated that although uh Bruce is retired he's not dead and therefore there will be an opportunity to to interact
>> correct stay in contact with person if I have any questions he is available or I can reach out to him >> any other CME CME is I'm sorry >> we are the CME is an consulting of municipal engineers >> so >> who who must
>> yes it's an acronym correct it's CME associates >> the capital >> there's no C the C doesn't mean by consolidated >> I have no idea consulting >> oh CME is consulting and municipal engineers there's it's a little
confusing you probably see CME after my name >> yes >> that's uh certified municipal engineer Okay. >> So, I have that certification as well, but I work for CME Associates, so sometimes it does get a little confusing on the certification and the name of my company. >> And you're like one of these really large engineering groups. Pretty big.
>> Well, you've been around for a while. >> Been a while. Yes. And serving many. >> Correct. >> Any other questions? >> Great. So, is do I hear a nomination? >> I'll nominate. >> Thank you. A second. >> I'll second.
>> Thank you. Roll call, please. >> Mr. >> Yes. >> Mr. Fez? >> Yes. >> Mr. Hol? >> Yes. >> Miss Corbin? >> Yes. >> Mr. Winfrey? >> Yes. >> Mr. Holer? >> Yes. >> Miss Walsh?
>> Yes. >> Miss Leslie? >> Yes. >> Mr. Bonnie? >> Yes. >> Thank you all for your support >> and thank you. We're looking forward to working with you. >> Yes. Um, so the recording secretary and I guess that's you, right?
>> That's it. No, I'm kidding. >> So, do you have a nomination? >> I have a question. >> Yes. >> Can we have a secretary and a recording secretary? What are the differences in >> You can and and this board has and has done it regularly for a long period of
time. Uh, it is just a choice. It is not something that is required. Some boards only have a secretary that is like Moren and will do all the work of a secretary. With all due respect, u the president is the board secretary.
I'm not going to say he's not doing any work, but he's not going to be doing the minutes. He's not going to be organizing. He's not going to be contacting you. He's not going to be doing the work of a traditional board secretary. That's going to be what Morin will do. So that it's just it's a function that some towns choose to do it
that way and some don't. There's nothing magic one way or the other. >> And if we look at our um bylaws in a way that we may decide to change it. >> Yes, we may. >> If we may. That's what
>> not going to be on the agenda next meeting. >> I see. >> Actually, it will be on the agenda later today, right? >> Yeah. I'm going to be having some discussion about limited very limited discussion. >> Yeah. So, um, do I hear a nomination?
>> I nominated. >> She swore me in as I nominate Moren. She swore me in very well for assignment. I have up to the job. >> Up to the job, I say. >> Okay. >> And second. >> I'll second.
>> Thank you. May I have the roll call, please? >> Mr. Fector, >> yes. >> Mr. Fez, >> yes. >> Mr. Yes, >> Miss Corbin. >> Yes, >> Mr. Winfrey. >> Yes, >> Mr. Her. >> Yes, >> Miss Walsh. >> Yes,
>> Miss Leslie. >> Yes, >> Mr. Bonnie. >> Yes. >> Now, I only kid uh that you didn't it was a secret about the coordinator. The fact of the matter is that the coordinator is Jen. Jen has been uh for a considerable period of time while I
was here uh the board secretary for both the planning and the zoning board. So, she's totally familiar. And you know she has then moved on to be I believe it's actually she's the burough clerk. Am I correct on that? Yeah. So uh she is now
uh uh assisting if you will as a as a board coordinator. Um and so that Moren and her will work together and that's really what this is all about. >> And she's done a great job >> and she's done a great job as the board secretary and as the board.
>> Yeah. So then I would like to nominate Jan as board coordinator. >> I'll second roll call, please. >> Mr. Fector, >> yes. >> Mr. Fez, >> yes. >> Mr. Hol, >> yes. >> Miss Corbin,
>> yes. >> Mr. Wre, >> yes. >> Mr. Holer, >> yes. >> Miss Walsh, >> yes. >> Miss Bosley, >> yes. >> Mr. >> Yes. Well, thank you all and thank you for all this voting marathon, but believe
that's part of what we do. Our next agenda item is setting the meeting dates with us. >> Yes. And we all have the meeting dates in front of us. Do we need to read them or >> No. And um you can at the same time if
you choose designate the um designate the official papers. Now there's been a change in the law. Uh it is now it is now all towns are authorized to end up uh having notices on their website. I'm 99% sure that uh Holland Park has done
that. There is a requirement to end up notifying certain newspapers, the official newspapers. There has been questions about do we really need an official newspaper? Uh if we're going to do it on the website, the answer is yes because you do need to notify somebody. So I think it it is appropriate to do
that. There is also a requirement which uh just for completeness uh there is a requirement that the notice would go to the secretary the newly secretary of state. Uh it's my understanding that they actually did set up uh the website
uh within the time period provided which was I believe I'm right March 1st. So those notices go to the website. Uh when I say notices I'm talking about notices for applications or the like. they now go to the website. They will then go to the u the secretary of state's office
for a statewide coordination and then uh twice a month they are required to go to the newspaper. So but you still need to have the newspaper for that purp. >> Great. So um we will set the meeting dates are in front of you. Do we have to vote on them or >> you do?
>> We do. >> But the good news is you can do this by way of a voice. So there's a motion and a second and it can be all in favor. Okay. Done. So, do I have a motion for setting the meeting >> and the newspapers? >> Yeah, for meeting dance and the
newspapers. Correct. I'm sorry. >> We have a motion. >> Thank you. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> Thank you. Uh, so all in favor? >> I We're good. >> If I can, Mr. Chairman, members of the board, there is some disc and I'm make
it very brief. uh the uh board back in 2025, I believe, but I know in 25 there was a modification to the minutes uh in terms of how the public is able to participate
given the fact that we now have these meetings. I guess the terminology is broadcast. I still as you can see we have a TV and people can if they choose watch and the question becomes well how do they then participate and the uh
planning board looked at that and discussed it uh and then modified their uh minutes to reflect uh what they felt was appropriate which is in effect saying that if you have an application that comes before the board the
applicants are required to be here and that excuse me and that if you have an interest in that and you want to make a comment or present testimony or ask questions, you need to be here. Uh if in fact it is a nonapplication matter, uh
then you have the right to ask questions through the technology and I you know I'll leave it at that because I'm not a technology person. So that's what they modified and they felt that that was an appropriate methodology. There's a couple of other modifications. What I'm
going to be suggesting to you is that uh your minutes in my opinion don't don't necessarily reflect that. Uh and and I think once again Morgan's done a great job. She has provided to you both the minutes for the planner board and your
minutes. Your assignment should you choose to accept it is to review those minutes. uh we can uh particularly focus in on uh the public uh in particular how that's different. If you want to keep
your minutes, that's fine. That's that's up to you. But I'm just suggesting that there is now the technology and it does sort of outline how members of the public interact with you and the and the applicant during that process. So since you've only received it today and you
know I'm sure that unless you're an incredibly fast speed leader you haven't had a chance to to do it. So why don't we just carry that matter Mr. Chairman until the uh April meeting and then at the end of the meeting maybe because I think we're going to have an application so we can the board can discuss it with
you. >> Just to clarify this it's we're talking about the rules and regulations of the zoning board. Is that the same? I've said the minutes unfortunately I keep on getting up. I don't know why I keep on but I mean I mean from Roger please please speak up and speak closer to the
microphone. >> Okay. Okay. So >> you couldn't hear me? >> No. Oh sorry. >> Okay. So the qu my clarification question was that we talk about the rules and regulations that are in front of us not minutes because I was confused. So now we are clear it's rules
and regulations. I what I have in front of me is the is the zonoting board rules and regulations in their last adoption of January 27, 2025. But you are saying that we >> you should you should also have a copy of the planning board rules that were
adopted actually they were changed in 2025 but they are they were adopted again this year. >> Don't see them in front of me. >> Uh we have them. >> We have them. >> That's the fattest one. They don't cover sheet. >> Oh, that's that's a cover sheet. Okay, I
got it. I got it. That's now I see >> it says planning and zoning. >> Yes. >> No. >> No. Well, it says >> zoning. >> It's your comment to the Oh, no. >> My cover letter talks about the planning and zoning, but the minutes are are the
planning board rules. Keep on saying minutes. I apologize. These uh you have in front of you the rules for the planning board and the rules for the zoning board. They are different. Has there been any comparison to identify notable differences?
>> Uh I I think if u my letter um you know what I'll the letter does not specifically indicate those paragraphs but I'll be happy to u highlight. I'll send one to Jen. She'll send it out or to uh Orian. She'll send
it out to all of you so that rather than going through whatever it is 20 pages worth of stuff, I'll be happy to highlight where I think the changes are. >> I think that would be very helpful to identify the notable differences very >> happy to good point. Thank you for
bringing it up. Thank you. >> Thank you. So we will um expect them like a week before the next meeting >> at least if not if not before. Well, >> the next meeting would be uh would be April 27. a week before that we'll have that and have a look at it and then have
a discussion at the meeting if you agree with that >> right >> or not or you well I think what will happen I hope is that what you'll do is decide whether or not you wish to adopt the planning board version if you don't I think you should then adopt the ones
that you have unless you decide you want to end up modifying yours in a different way than the planning board and then we can talk about that as Thank you. So we will not adopt the rules of order yet. We will do that at the next meeting
just for the record. Thank you. So now we have the next item is to approval of the minutes of our last meeting which have been substantial
and it has been a substantial meeting. So does anybody has a question or a concern about the minutes as they were presented? You already >> Yes. If Yes. Okay. So then
any question for the minutes? Um and they were thorough and they kind of made me re like recap the meeting pretty well. Kind of could imagine what happened and there there for my point of view that truly reflect uh what happened
and so um I would like to make a motion to accept the minutes from the last meeting. >> I'll make a motion to accept the minutes. Great. >> Second. You have a comment. I have a question. Um
so these minutes um legally like if there's some kind of action taken later by someone is it based on the recording the actual physical recording or the minutes like recording in other
words I I I happen to be in a hearing today uh with another municipality that I represent uh which is called uh a suit in l of private rights it's just a fancy way of the developer did not feel as though the board acted properly and
therefore they filed suit against the board. And what ends up happening is that the applicant then must provide to the court um all of the information that's part of the record. The record would include the exhibits, the application, uh reports of
uh your consultants, the reports of their consultants, everything that's in a record including not the minutes but rather a transcript of the actual hearing. So that uh if it's a a lot of times you will find that if it's a a
long complicated application, the applicant will anticipate that they're going to need a transcript and they'll they'll hire and bring a court reporter to uh the meeting. Uh this particular applicant chose not to do that. Uh and they then got the transcript from by
having a transcriber come in and listen to the minutes and make a transcription. The court even commented today that that's not exactly the best procedure because there are a lot of what are described as uh uh indecipherables because you couldn't hear. So um anyway,
that that's just an aside, but nonetheless, it is not the minutes that are reflective of what took place. It's actually the transcript that has to go to the court if it has excuse me if it does. >> Yeah. Because when I was going through
it, I was worried about the stakes, you know. how high the stakes were. But >> well, you know, again, um as I said, I do think that Boring done a great job in terms of the minutes. The arts were very, very thorough, more so than normal. Uh and I think she did that on
the basis that this is a uh somewhat complicated and contentious application. I say that uh just generically um and um so that's why they are. But if it if it did go to court, the minutes will not be part of
that record. Uh the transcript will remain transcript. >> Is that the video tape that we zoom >> component or is that some other trans? Um there has not been to to as of yet uh
the requirement for a video. It is just simply a transcript. So where is that happening? We're recording and it's >> Okay. >> So there's a recording done right there >> on that computer. >> On that Yeah. >> Okay. So then I'm wondering then why we
are really having these very bifurcated minutes versus transcript because I know I do the reporting in other organizations I'm part of and I use Gemini on Zoom and it makes a beautiful first draft >> of everything we said which could be you
know used in as a legal document and then I modify the emphasis on it >> for I have a problem with with you have a AI. But that is number one. Number two, if you're going to say that it is a first draft, sure, that's fine with me
as long as a human being, yes, >> in this case is Moren ends up reviewing it, modifying it in accordance with her own notes and minutes so that it's an accurate transformation, >> right? It's just that it helps you. It creates a first draft. That's very >> that's uh but as long as it's just
understood that it's a first draft because it's been my experience right now I hate to say it my concern is that AI is going to replace all of us but until it does it's still >> you don't know it that well it's not going to do that
>> I'll say I don't want to say that uh Arnold was right the first time around but >> so and I want I want to say that the meetings the minister standard you provided were if that what if at any
point this application would go forward which we don't know yet I believe um it would be ex it will be extraordinarily helpful if that comes front of us our board again then in preparation of the meeting to go to those minutes again
because they were so thorough and I could imagine um a number of these questions that that neighbors had and all of this was well recorded and that will help us in case this comes back to be ready for that >> and I do think if I can I do think these
particular minutes are detailed uh and I think in this case it is important for those details to occur not that it's a a transcript but it's important because it's been a long time since we've had the last hearing which is September so
and I think Chris I wish I could say it myself but Chris came up with a very good point and that is I will be in touch tomorrow with the other attorney because any member of the public who wants to be tracking this uh should I think in fairness get new notice. Now
whether or not they were planning on it or not I don't care but I do think given the fact that this is I'll be honest with you I didn't remember it was that long ago and um so now that I see the minutes and realize it's it's been all that long I do think it's appropriate to
be up to let everybody know you'll know but the public probably lose track. >> Very good point. Thank you. >> Is there any public comment? >> No, you don't need to have public comment on
>> Well, from I have a question. >> Oh, we haven't approved them yet. >> We haven't. >> We have not. But yes, >> um I remember some years ago we voted for um to create an advisory board for people who are considering an application that would be reviewed by I
think it was two members of the planning board and two members of the zoning board. Um I forget what we call it. We called it um other than the star chamber. >> I believe that was called the rehabilitation and redevelopment
screening committee. Can you shut the screen? >> Can you tell me does it still exist and has it met? >> Correct. That I believe it still exists. Chris, what do you know? >> It still exists, but uh Terry and I have thought about reconstituting that as more of a technical review committee. It's still undergoing internal
discussions. So, so no, it doesn't exist. >> It does exist, but we have not met. >> Who are the members? >> If I recall correctly, it's in the ordinance has the membership. Uh at least two members of planning board, two members of the zoning board. uh and at least three or four other
members including planner, engineer, and administrator, >> but they haven't been named. It's just in theory exists. >> They have nothing. >> Yeah. So, there's no real group. It could exist. It could manifest, but it hasn't.
>> Correct. Did Did they ever meet? >> I believe we met a couple times of 31 river. >> Yes. A couple other I think there was a screening committee for the Wal Street. >> Yes. That's >> Yeah. >> And I think we were on it as at least I
see like in front of me that I am on it and um it has been forever since we >> and the good and and your your question is um um >> I was just wondering if it had been meeting and that's why we have so few
meetings. >> No, that's not the case. That's not the case. So the reason for not having more meetings or more cases in front of us is not >> that the screening board would have kind of prevented or like would have directed things.
>> We're completing development applications that ultimately go to the planning board versus zoning board applications which can't hear applications. >> Yeah. >> Um so if the redevelopment or rehab and redevelopment screening committee were to review an application and more than likely would never ever go to zoning
board, I think it's a different issue. um regarding the lack of activity. So get if that's what the question is. >> Thank you. One more question. Um I was unable to go to the Bucks Woods meeting.
Is there a brief recap you could share with us what that was all about? >> Um not really prepared. Uh it's on the Burough website. Uh so we met I think it was two or three Wednesdays ago to talk about the next phase of the project.
Basically the understanding is that there is an approval for a 75 unit building uh based on the 2019 uh zoning amendment to create overlay zone and as a result of litigation to create uh zoning for the project to
allow for the project to possible partly because of the litigation because of the uh the burrow being named liable for the dumping on the property and also as part of the third round uh settlement the fair share is to
provide zoning for a city 5 unit project. Since then, there's been ongoing litigation, settlement talks to the point where now we are uh looking at a situation where instead of the burrow being liable for a five
plus million cleanup costs that would go away in exchange for a 148 unit project, but with a series of community benefits that was not was not possible 75 unit that would include a
new road connecting South Fifth to South 7th, a second means of access a point that was made at the zoning a planning board meeting some three or four years ago. >> 75 units of one uh entry to building. Now there would be two points of access
as well as a trail to connect from Mansfield all the way to Meadow um Meadows Trail and improved landscaping. Same building design, same height, same architecture. It's just the building's
giving up different parts just to, you know, squeeze it for you. So, it's the same building design, but it's going to 148 units. So, I guess they're less bedrooms per unit, >> correct? >> All right. But that's not an issue of us, right?
>> Plan board. Actually, it's really good to redevelopment entity. >> Okay. Because as part of the settlement process, we will be starting a really three-phase effort. The first phase would be to designate well to study and then designate the property as
area need do a redevelopment plan and then name the Buckwood's development team as redeveloper, enter into a redevelopment agreement and a financial agreement. So it's a whole series of steps. It'll go eventually go back to planning board
>> site application. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for providing that background. We still need to vote on our minutes. >> I think you do. I do. We do. So I'll make a second to approve the minutes. Motion second. >> I'll second. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> You could do it on the voice if you choose. There's no reason not to. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any abstensions? I have to say okay. So do you. >> Okay. >> According to this you
>> I was >> okay >> my wife was >> so um then now question. >> Yes please. Um, back to the the the thing about the the members of the public who wish to ask questions or provide comments or testimony, you know,
that that thing that you had mentioned earlier >> in the rules. >> What what's the rationale for that? >> The rationale for the the change by the planning board in minutes. It was simply to to try to clarify what was the appropriate um
procedure because it was unclear from the way the minutes were set up under the new technology given the fact that members of the public were going to be uh able to uh to view it. uh was it appropriate to end up having members of
the public ask questions of uh the experts uh and then give uh sworn testimony as they are offered to do during the course of that. It was felt and frankly I agree uh that that procedure
tends to be less than than appropriate because you know they're on screen um and sometimes technology is not the best. So, as a result, if you have a an interest in an application uh that requires you to come that requires you
to ask questions and then potentially give testimony either for or against, that interest should be enough to get you here. And I think that's not that's not an unreasonable burden on a member of the public. Conversely, uh if you have if there's a general matter uh in
front of the board uh like a master plan or something of that nature, um then members of the public could end up asking questions um uh through the through the uh internet through.
So that was really the difference and and and there there is a rational difference because before that because when you end up having an application uh you relying upon the record and as we talked about earlier if there's an
appeal that appeal goes to a judge and you have to have a transcript to be able to bring we don't get that if they they file suit they have to come with a transcript and to end up having um that
transcript with with individuals who are not present. I think that that can lead to problems. Uh maybe I'm just not a a real strong believer in the efficacy of technology. U but that's just who I am and I think that the board tends to
agree and most of them are much more attuned to technology than I am. But I just think that it was a better approach to end up having people that have an interest if they have that much of an interest. It's not that much of a burden to get. That was really fun.
>> And you will provide us before the next meeting a comparison between our current uh rules and the rules that are suggested so we can think about that wording and make it clear. >> All right. Thank you. So then I would
ask if anybody of the public is here and would like to make a comment. I see none. The public portion of the meeting is closed. Anything else we would like to discuss? If I hear none, then the meeting is
adjourned at 8:10. >> And I know that you had a motion to adjourn and that was by Mr. Hen and seconded by the chair. >> Okay. Sorry. Sorry. I have to say I'm still um Thank you so much. So So okay. >> No.
I'm still learning. >> That's okay. You're doing a great job. >> And even if I have been a member of the So, we are officially jour. >> Thank you. Good day. And I've been like on the board for 20 years now. Exactly.