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there. Okay. Uh going to this meeting has been duly advertised according to section five of the open public meetings act chapter 231 public law 1975 otherwise known as the

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sunshine law. Notice of the 2026 annual meeting schedule has been provided to the officially designated newspapers, a township clerk, posted on the township's website, and is available at the Hillsboro Township Municipal Complex.

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Pursuant to PL 2025 C72 starting March 1st, 2026, so last month, municipalities are required to publish their public notices on the municipal website. Hillsboro Township public notices are available on hillsborj.gov.

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GV/pub-notices. Application documents and plans have been made available on the township website at the Hillsboro NJ portal with civic clerk.com and was made at least 10 days in advance of this meeting. Complete application files are available in the planning and zoning department

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for inspection in accordance with public meeting notice. Can I have the roll call, please? >> Mr. Mr. Deb and uh Mr. Shira are absent. Mr. Wagner >> I am here. >> Mr. Flag >> here. Mr. >> Vitali >> here. Mr. >> Smith >> here.

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>> Leani >> present. >> Payne >> here. >> Mr. Pen >> present >> here. >> Present. >> Bernstein >> here. May >> here. >> And myself and the videographers are here.

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>> All right. Thank you. Um, first order of business is a consideration of the meeting minutes from February 5th, 2026. Any comments on uh, >> excuse me, Mr. Chair, >> eligible members are everyone on the deis except Mr. Wagner.

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>> Okay. U, Mr. Quis, >> he's special. >> Mr. Sarra had reached out to me. Um, and so what I did, he he had brought up that he had some concerns that some of his comments were not represented in the

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minutes. So I went back and listened and came up with some possible additions. I didn't know if you wanted me to read them out for the board's consideration to add those. >> Uh, as I'm still trying to log in to civic clerk, I would appreciate that.

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>> Okay. To see the updated one. Uh so the following is for your consideration. Uh Mr. Sarra Sarra. Oh first off I should say which section this goes in. This would be regarding the seven brew application and informal application on

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February 5th. Uh here we go. Mr. Sarra questioned whether the proposed location and use are appropriate given the township's vision for the town center as a more walkable downtown type area. He noted that the long-term goal includes slower

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traffic speeds and a more pedestrianoriented environment. He expressed concern that a drive-through use appears inconsistent with that vision and may be contrary to the intent of the zoning in the master plan. Uh he questioned whether the

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proposal as presented is a good fit for the town center. Mr. Sarrai also questioned the need for an additional urgent care facility, noting that there is an existing urgent care location in the township that is currently vacant.

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>> Okay. And that that was a conceptual review we did, right? There was correct. There's no application yet, but >> those items will have to be >> speak of the devil. >> Should we just tell him to go to the tape? 704 could show him.

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>> Yeah. Just write those out. >> Does that accurately reflect? Uh >> I move to accept. and a second. Second all right call on roll call vote

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then Mr. Sarra, >> yes. >> Flag, >> yes. >> Vitali, >> yes. >> Smith, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Leani, >> yes. >> Payne, >> no. >> Vice Chair Pasen, >> yes. >> Carelli, >> yes.

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>> All right. Consideration of resolutions? We have none. Um, any planning board business? Maybe just the um as far as planning board business. You want me to introduce it? We have a master Yes. The master

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plan subcommittee is uh organized and the staff have have organized a master plan update an interactive workshop uh to be held with the public. It's been announced I believe online already in social media but there's a uh if not it'll be it'll

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I'm will be advertised ad nauseium by the township. Uh and it's scheduled >> pardon website. >> It's on the website today. So, it will be Wednesday, May 13th from 7 to 8:00 PM across the hall in the multi-purpose room. And um you know, there's there's

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more to come on that. I don't know if you want to elaborate, Mr. >> No, I think that's I think that's great. I just wanted to add the other announcement is that the open space survey is uh is open for the public to take and you can find that on Engage

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Hillsboro. So, please take the survey. All right. Thank you. uh business for the floor from the floor for matters not on the agenda. If anybody has anything to comment on uh that's not on tonight's agenda, please come up.

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All right, seeing none, no ordinances for consideration tonight. So, let's get right to the application and public hearings. Uh the first one we will do the Somerset County Improvement Authorities file 26-PB-06- INF.

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This is block 142 lot 23.02 360 Roycefield Road. In accordance with the MLUL section NJSA 40 col 55D-13 applicant is seeking informal review to construct a two-building street sweeping

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collection facility with associated improvements on the property located in the economic development district. So we have here from the county. come on up and have a seat. And uh >> um Mr. Bernstein, do we have to swear

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them in? What's the uh process here since this is justformational? >> It'sformational. Unless Mr. Colin wants to ask uh Mr. Slutzky questions that he may not want to answer that

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>> and it will be it will be recorded. So >> well then let's swear >> them in >> mic check. Huh? >> Push the button. >> No. >> I do.

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>> Adam Slutzky. Last name is S L U TS Ky. >> Good evening everyone. Thank you for your time. Um, and as the chairman mentioned, so I my name is Patrick Conland. an attorney with Scarcy Hollandbeck. Uh we represent the Somerset County

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Improvement Authority who owns this property, 360 Roycefield Road. As you said, it was block 142, lots 23 point. Lot 23.02. Um and again, as the chairman mentioned and actually read off what may have been a typo on my part, uh this is a a master

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plan consistency review pursuant to NJSA 4055D31, not 13. I'm not sure. That was probably my error. >> I'm not known to have dyslexia, but does say 31 on my paper here. >> Um, so yeah, so this is a this is a

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county-owned property that is um basically we're proposing two street sweeping buildings which will allow uh a number of municipalities within the county to essentially have a central place to dump the material that is picked up by street

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sweeping machines. Um, so it'll be two buildings and I I'll have Mr. Slutzky go through the design. Um, but basically we're we're here to to hear any feedback and um, essentially we we feel this does comply with the master plan. We think

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that that the use is appropriate for this location, that this would be uh a fairly intense use somewhere else, but in this particular area, we think it's appropriate and that it it is consistent with the master plan. Um, so I will I've got one witness. Adam Slutzky is an

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engineer for the county and um I guess Adam, do you want to bring in uh show the plans? Do you do you all have the copy of the plans with you? Okay. Um >> yeah, I just um give a little background first. Back in 2023, we were getting a lot of feedback from the towns that they

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couldn't uh dispose of the material from the street sweepings. DP requires it also to be covered for storm water to prevent storm water runoff. And so the county applied for a leap grant and um I believe eight towns signed on. Hillsboro

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was one of those towns and we have a resolution from you from August 2023 to that effect. Uh so we got the we received the grant uh and uh designed this facility. Um

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you probably You've probably seen these kind of facilities before. It's a, you know, a block building with a steel frame and a fabric cover. It's very simple facility. Um, there's no electrical, no lighting,

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no plumbing. The uh there's a slab on grade already there on the site. So, the intent is to just put this on top of the existing slab, not touch the existing slab at all. Uh the two buildings are

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approximately 77 feet by 92 feet on the outside. Uh 31 ft 9 12 in tall at the center and uh each has a uh a door uh which can be closed and you know the idea is to store the street sweepings

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out of the rain inside there. So that's basically the two-minute summary. >> Um and we we did receive uh Mr. Mayhew's letter today. Um, it was right before I got in the car to drive over here, but I

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have had a chance to review it. Um, so I guess so if I guess we can address each comment as it comes in. I guess well, you know, does the board have any questions? I'm so sorry. >> I guess I have just one, I guess, basic

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question. What's the purpose of having a separate building for refugees from a sweet street sweeper as opposed to just putting it in other refu from from a either a commercial standpoint?

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You know, why the special building for the street sweepings? >> I guess it's because of the DP regulations, it has to be stored, you know, it can't have rainfall on it. So, some municipalities are are tarping it, which is a real pain in the neck for the

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DPW and um and some municipalities were having trouble disposing the material, getting people to come and take it away. So, this will facilitate that in one central spot. >> And what's the ultimate uh uh end for the material that's in that building?

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Does it stay there forever or where does it go? >> No, it gets shipped off. I mean, I I don't know where honestly I don't know where disposed of properly, but So I think my question was along the same lines. So the intent is that all the trucks from all the municipalities would come there, unload, leave the

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debris behind and then the debris eventually be packed up and shipped off >> pretty much. Yes. Uh any of the municipalities that would signed up. We don't have an exact like operations plan worked out yet, but the intent is that >> build it, they will come. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's a shared service.

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So, like any other shared service, you know, you would probably call a day or two in advance, make an appointment, we would come open up the facility, the material would be dropped off. >> That's probably how it would work. >> And is that exclusively for street sweeper debris?

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>> Yes. Yes. >> And sorry, I guess just a comment. I have a salt dome for salt to protect it from leeching, but then we put them in trucks and spread them all over the place. And I hit the same thing. You have material that's sitting out and it

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gets rained on, but now we put it in one place and it can't be rained on. Is that correct? >> Pretty much. >> Okay. All right. Just making sure I have that straight. >> And part of the goal is to part of the goal is to improve uh the storm water runoff quality. Can you talk a little bit about that?

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>> Sure. So, you know, right now, uh, if it's it's tarped or in some cases untarped at the various locations, Hillsboro or someplace else, you know, it rains and then the contaminants run off into the into the waterways. So, this will prevent that and presumably

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improve water quality. >> So, you'll you'll have loader operations. Uh, what else will be going on on the site? um they're not going to dump it or are the are the trucks is the intent for a truck to back in and dump it there? Uh dump it inside

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the building. What what's the >> We haven't developed an exact operations plan yet for how it's going to operate, times, things like that, but >> Okay. And um how are these anchored to the ground? I see there's a CMU wall

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around it, but you're putting it on the slab, but it'll blow away if you don't anchor it down. So what's is it just gravity? What what's holding? >> The the blocks are uh 2 feet by 2 feet by 6 feet interlocking blocks and then

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it'll be on a layer of uh there's some kind of grout or concrete layer between the slab and the and the blocks. >> So the structure is is the blocks lay on the structure and that's holds it down or >> I'm not familiar with the details on that. I'm sure it's it was

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>> sure there's something I just don't see see it on the plans. Um I think uh if I'm maybe this is for Mr. Kois. Is this the same site that this the other warehouse is going on?

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>> Or I I could ask you but it's not your >> Yes. The answer is yes. >> It is. Okay. >> That's on the front and this is on the back. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. So, if I may help out the engineer on the second to last page, chairman,

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>> there are a front and side view of the uh I believe that's the tethering of the tents for lack of a better word. in the upper leftand corner. >> These >> Yeah,

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>> those are those are just uh ballards and >> cable assembly and top wire. >> Yeah, breakaway barricades. >> But that is the >> Is that not it? >> No, >> it's the top view of the base. It says

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>> that does it have a section number on >> section A? No, that's those are breakaway barricades that they'll have around it. It's not the uh >> Oh, it's not. >> No, >> I'm sure it's designed for wind load and snow load.

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>> Yeah. >> Signed and sealed by professional engineer. So, >> I was just trying to correct the engineer. Sorry. >> Well, yeah. It looks like the blocks you described line up where the structure comes down. So,

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All right. Um, Mr. Mayhew, any comments or is there anything else from the days? Any anybody? Seeing none, Mr. Mayhew. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um,

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as Mr. Colin pointed out, uh, I apologize for the lateness of our letter, although it's extremely brief. >> Yeah. >> Um, but maybe it would be best if you and then we could talk about each one. >> Sure. >> And the suggestions. >> Okay. Uh, you want me to just go through one by one each bullet?

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>> Sure. >> Yeah. There's only like five. >> Exactly. Yeah, that's okay. Um, so I guess we could start from the top. So, general comment one is the applicant shall provide a narrative describing the proposed site operations. So certainly that is something we will be able to comply with. Um it's not something we

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can comply with now because we just don't know how it's going to operate. Uh we don't know how many towns are going to be involved in the shared service agreement. Um you know I think we're certainly open to you know it's going to be hard to predict when are the street sweepers

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going to want to come when are we going to be able to accommodate them. Um I think that's something we'd be more than happy to keep the board apprised of when we do have that information. Um, but I can't sit here today and tell you how it will operate. Um, we just it's too early in the in the process right now and we

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just don't know. >> I guess we were bringing it to the attention of the board. Maybe there were some guidelines the board wanted to suggest like not having trucks come in past a certain point. It's just a thought.

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the >> speaker. >> I mean, this is kind of more in kind of like an industrial area anyway, right? I mean, there's no residential around. I don't know if there would need to. Most street sweepers, I'm assuming, are going to be run by your DPW departments.

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They're probably 7 to three or so. I doubt they're coming in at nine o'clock at night to unload stuff that can't get wet, but I don't I appreciate the comment, Mark, but I don't see a need this time for that.

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>> I do have one question uh in addition to that. If Mr. Mayhew, are you done >> for number one? Yes. >> Sorry. Can I ask a question or do you want to continue? >> Uh >> okay. Um just because we had this uh

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issue in town this year from a snow weightbearing ability like is there any potential of collapse or anything like that with these structures? They do seem I mean obviously not as significantly wide as what collapsed in town but it is also

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like I would imagine about you know I saw the number but from a weight perspective how much can they hold >> certainly and this winter was quite a stress test. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, can you speak to that or >> I don't know the answer, but I would say that, you know, when we submit sign and

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seal drawings that any calcs will be provided with that. >> Okay. >> Do you have these in other places right now? >> The county does not. >> Okay. >> I think the county does, but I I've certainly seen them. Other other municipalities and entities have them. Yeah. >> Did you have Do you happen to know if

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anybody else had trouble? I mean, listen, we only get this kind of snow about every seven years, thankfully. But still in all like do you know of any other towns or municipal or counties that had any kind of collapse issue with these? >> I haven't heard of anything. >> Okay, good. Okay, we'll take that as a win.

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>> So, is this the first street sweep versus the county zoning? >> It will be Oh, go ahead. Sorry. >> Uh I was going to say this is I this is not really going to be it's really just a facility for the street the existing street sweepers to drop off. Um, so it's

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my understanding that the local municipalities are running a majority of the sweet street street sweepers. And so this is really the facility isn't intended for like I Somerset County isn't necessarily providing street sweepers. It's more of a central

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location to dump the pickup uh from the street sweepers. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Nice. >> Number two. >> Number two. Okay. Um yes. So we we

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provided a 100 foot setback from uh on all sides uh on this building. We selected the location based on uh ease of circulation. The idea being we don't want to have the street sweeping trucks have to do too many complicated turns.

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Um, it's I think it's something we can consider to try to relocate the the buildings, but ultimately we did select this very deliberately. We did know about the the setback requirements. Um, and you know, certainly we're open to

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hearing feedback from the board, but it was selected very deliberately to try to ease operations and make it so that these trucks can come in without having to make too many complicated turning movements. >> And the whole area is fenced right now. Um, so it'll remain there'll be a gate

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and it'll be remain fenced. So, >> sorry I'm I'm jumping on Mark here again. Sorry to interrupt, but you're talking about the street sweepers themselves will be coming from, you know, Warren or whatever. Don't those things only go like certain miles per hour? Are they going to be

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>> put into rollers truck? Yes. Not the actual street sweepers. >> To clarify that. >> I should have let the engineer answer that, not the lawyer. Um, well, I guess Mr. Common's asking for feedback from the board. Our office is not taking a position on the setback or we just wanted to point out to the

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board that if it stayed in that spot, it would need a a variance for the height, but we're not taking a position one way or the other. And I think Mr. Conlin's looking for your feedback on >> Yeah. And I'll just jump in. I I guess my understanding of the and and I defer

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to Mr. Bernstein's judgment as well on this, but um my understanding is that because it's a governmental entity um that a a variance is not required necessarily. Now, I I agree with with your assessment that we do not comply with the uh the strict, you know, with

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the setback requirements. We did provide 100 ft, which is kind of the base, but then it it goes based on the height of the structure. There's an additional setback that's required. Um so, we do not comply with that second requirement. Um, as a governmental entity, you don't

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strictly speaking have to. Um, but certainly that's that's what part of why we're here tonight is to see, you know, how how how you all feel about that. >> It's always a good idea. >> I can remind 10 years ago what happened

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to a federal building that didn't comply. So, >> sorry. Um, okay. Um, sorry. I Anyway, I guess can we we will take it under consideration. I I think we'd like to go back and, you know, assess the

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operations and see how it would work if it was in the compliance spot. Um, and I guess we can correspond with Mr. Koi about that in the, you know, as as we finalize the design and go in for permits. Um

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so next next comment was storm water and drainage. So Mr. Mayhew correctly points out that um we are not proposing storm water management system for this particular construction project. Um can

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you describe is there are there going to be or are there already existing storm water management at the adjacent uh use the warehouse? >> The warehouse. Yes, we proposed extensive storm water management facilities for the warehouse, but this

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site is um there's an existing slab there and we're not increasing the impervious area at all. >> We're not touching the slab. >> So, basically, so to if I could to help, >> I didn't mean to cut you off. Um I agree

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it's an existing slab and I agree the countyy's not adding impervious. Uh, and I believe that because we looked at the warehouse proposed and there is substantial storm water management, but I think that was designed to address the warehouse construction.

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>> I don't want to overburden the operation. >> Um, Mr. Slutzky, maybe you can comment on there are some large landscape islands separating the big slab from the southern roadway and they have different driveways that enter. possibly it

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wouldn't cost a whole lot to convert one of those into a BMP and it doesn't have to meet the full D cookbook of regulations. We'd be flexible, but I think there's an opportunity because water is flowing in that direction before it heads off site to an existing

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water course to maybe capture some of the runoff. It'll also help with water quality. And our office would have we'd be happy to work with you to keep it very simple. But those and that way you wouldn't be removing any impervious. You'd just be removing some soil in

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those big grass islands and turning them into a shallow BMP. Is that something you your office in the county would consider? >> We could consider that. Um I I think that if we have to move the buildings to to change the setback then we might have

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to also get rid of those islands and do other things. So that might those two issues might be related. >> Okay. Um, so then moving on, the applicant should provide a lighting and phototric

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plan to demonstrate compliance with 188-57, including fixture specifications, mounting heights, illumination levels. Um, we're not proposing any lighting. Um, so I think that we can put a check mark by that

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comment. Um, and then next is applicants should confirm whether overnight secure overnight security lighting is proposed. If so, demonstrate reduced intensity mode. Um, so there'll be no security lighting and there won't be a need for a security here because it's it's waste

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ultimately. Um, it's expensive to get rid of rather than something valuable that do you agree with that? Okay. And then the last is the 50 required 50% perimeter buffer. And um I guess this is

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a little bit of uh just not having an opportunity to read this in advance. The perimeter buffer is a a requirement for landscaping surrounding the the site. >> Correct. >> Okay. And certainly, and I'm sure the board knows the location of the site,

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and I'm sure the board's familiar with the adjoiners, and so there would certainly, as Bob's already pointed out, there aren't residences. So, all I'm doing is bringing it to the board's attention. >> Sure. >> Whether or not >> any extensive landscaping is required,

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that >> I just wanted to bring it to the board's attention. >> Sure. Yeah. So I on that one I guess I think that um to the extent that this proposed plan does not comply um not to sound flippant I don't think we're going to be able to comply. I think that it

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would just expand the scope of the project um more than the county would like to do frankly. Um and yeah so that is that is the letter. Um any questions from the board or Mr. Mayhew

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or Mr. I guess as we did it in the last county I I our office would suggest the board and when when they make their I know it's not a condition it can't be a condition but make their suggestions I would like to reiterate what we discussed is at a minimum try to convert

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one of those islands into a BMP u Mr. uh instead of um a question just more for the board's edification. Uh so this this property is in the ED the economic development district and the purpose of

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this district is to recognize the inter relationships between industrial and office park development and limited retail uses. The district is intended to generate an employment area designed and developed according to a plan as a single entity containing one or more

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structures with appertent common areas to accommodate the permitted uses and to promote on-site coordination of buildings, parking, circulation, landscaping and other design criteria and economic development in this district. Uh just wanted to point out to

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the board, you know, that there's a vast number of permitted uses such as office, office buildings, corporate conference center, restaurants, theaters, gy gymnasiums, fidiciary institutions, library, museums, medical centers, hotels, motel, uh retail sales of goods

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limited to what's produced at a site, child care, adult daycare centers, schools, and then as a conditional use, and most likely everyone in this room is most familiar with what this area generally looks like. But this conditional use is light manufacturing

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which involves processing, assembly, packaging, and storage of finished product provided that all materials kept completely within an enclosed building and provided that uses are in conformance with the requirements uh of of the ordinance. And I know the board's

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familiar that the Somerset County has its uh its main public works site just south of here. And the rest of the rest of the district is still owned by the federal government and is um used to be known as Veterans Industrial Park. I

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believe it's called Mid Midstate Industrial now. And that goes all the way towards uh Dockerty Park. All right. Um, thank you, Mr. Cle.

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>> So, how do we um wrap this up? >> Mr. Bernstein and suggest >> open it to the public. >> Yeah, I should do that, shouldn't I? >> And after that, >> Mr. Conlin has any last words and we'll go from there. So

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have a motion to open the public. >> So move >> second. All >> in favor? >> I. >> So anybody from the public wants to come up and question this application? >> The witness witness on what he testified on, please do so.

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>> Anyone want to come up and ask about the project itself? >> Motion. See none. Motion to close public. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. >> All right.

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>> So, I guess I I'll defer to Mr. Bernstein on I don't know if uh a vote is strictly speaking required. >> You usually when a governmental entity, whether it's the county or the board of ed, etc., comes before the board. The

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board will usually take a vote indicating uh their acceptance of or their you know acknowledgment of the project and anything they may want the applicant to take a look at knowing that the

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applicant is not bound by any recommendations or actions of the board. So I guess just in conclusion, I I think this is an appropriate site for this kind of use. It's something that's going to benefit I I Hillsboro in addition to

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surrounding municipalities in this in the county. Um I think we can take a look at the BMP. I think we'll get in touch with Mr. Mayhew and find out, you know, if it's I I think it's going to have to be something that the county considers. Um, and I don't know that we

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have the authority right now to to say that yes, we can comply with that, but I think it's something I it's feedback well received. Um, and I I understand the the flooding concern. Um, and we will definitely look into that, but um, I'm hoping that you all will recommend that this is consistent with the master

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plan and wish us luck. >> Um, well, thanks for bringing it to us. you know, see if you can get your buddies to the west to do that work for you. You're the same owner, right? Um,

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so proposed language on a motion to uh express our support for the application. A motion to concur with the proposed construction of

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a two-building street sweeper collection facility with associated improvements on property located in the economic development district by the Somerset County Improvement Authority is presented with considerations from the meeting right as discussed at the meeting. I'll

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make that motion with as mentioned with also the caveat to see if we could work with the Mr. Mayu's office on a possible BMP settlement. >> Second roll call. >> Mr. Wagner, >> yes. >> Mr. Shari, >> yes. >> Flag,

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>> yes. >> Mr. Vitali, >> yes. >> Mr. Smith, >> yes. >> Mayor Leani, >> yes. >> Mayor Payne, >> yes. >> Sher Pen, >> uh, yes. And I'd also like to, you know, thank the county for being, you know, proactive to, uh, anticipate, uh, D rules that, you know, require

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this, uh, type of thing. So, um, I'd say yes, >> Chair Chelli. >> Yes. >> Excellent. >> Thank you, Mr. Con, Mr. Thank you all very much. >> Thank you so much.

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Do we need a break or should can we keep going? >> Okay, >> good. Thank you. >> All right. The next application is Flagship New Jersey Propco LLC file 26-PB-07-

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INF. Come on up. Uh this is block 199 lot 55-425 Route 206. Uh, in accordance with the Hillsboro Township Ordinance section 188-113-5, section G2AB,

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the applicant is seeking informal review of a conceptual plan related to a board of adjustment application BA-25-15 to demolish the existing bank site and associated improvements and to construct a one uh 13,955t

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car wash facility with associated storm water and and improvements on the property. property located in the TC Town Center District and ASD Architectural and Site Design Overlay District. Um,

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we have participating. So, welcome. >> Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to hear our application. >> Jennifer, move the mic closer. >> Move the mic closer. >> Yeah. It's almost like, you know, sing into it. >> I'll never be on American Idol. I can

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guarantee that. >> It's the closest. Good evening chairman, mayor, members of the board. Uh Jennifer Caner from Praise Me Showman and Dino. Can you hear me? Okay. Before I Okay, great. On behalf of the applicant, um as the chair

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mentioned, Flagship NJ Propco LLC, uh doing business as Spotless Brands Car Wash. So, as the chair mentioned, we're here this evening per the informal review per the ordinance section 118 um on a conceptual plan related to the

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board of ed application BA25-15. uh spotless as mentioned by the chair is proposing to demolish the existing vacant bank building and we're proposing a 13,955 foot car wash with associated parking, drive aisles, sidewalks, utility

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infrastructure, storm water management, and other site improvements. The property is located at 42 424 425 >> 425 Route 206 and a typo, also known as block 199, lot 55. Total lot area is 3.2

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2 acres and it's located as the chair mentioned in the TC uh town center zone. So the site is bordered to the north by a realy and private bank building with commercial uses beyond, to the west by route 206 with commercial and residential uses beyond and to the east

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by residential uses and lastly to the south by the Hillsboro Elementary School and commercial uses. Uh I have with me this evening to my right Judy Knob, vice president of development and construction of Spotless Brands. I do also have on hand if there's any questions of our engineer of record Joe

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Hosfell of Bowler Engineering and just a few other housekeeping items and then we can get into it. We met with uh the planning department including uh Mr. Kois. Hello, how are you? Um approximately one year ago this la last year in March um to review and get some

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feedback before submitting the application. Uh we do have in terms of current appro approvals and pending approvals. We have NJ DOT letter of no interest we have county planning board approval we have county soil conservation district approval and we

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are under review with the NJD for freshwater wetlands since there's wetlands on the property and lastly we are conditionally approved with the DRCC. Uh we also received from Mr. because his municipal planners report dated today and I don't believe there's any other

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reports out there that I missed. Okay. And that's all I had. >> I can get have our um vice president here get into >> the weeds and operations. >> Let me make sure I have my microphone correct. Is that okay? >> I'll put mine aside.

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>> I've never been told I'm not I'm quiet, so I don't think it's an issue. But regardless, good evening everyone. My name is Judy Kn with Spotless Brands. Um, as Jennifer said, I'm vice president of development and construction. Uh, Spotless Brands is a um, hyper regional

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car wash company. Um, we started in 2020 and we grew the company by aggregating existing operating brands. So, right now we have uh, 225 car washes operating throughout the US. We own most of our locations. It's our desire to own our

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locations um and operate them and hold them for long term. Um the brand that operates on the East Coast is Flagship. They currently have 40 car washes down in uh DC, Maryland and Virginia, which is where they started. Uh that's the brand that we're growing up the East

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Coast. So last year we opened two car washes in New Jersey, uh two in Pennsylvania. This year we have four that will open in New Jersey. Um another two in Pennsylvania and we have one that opened last year as well in Long Island. So we have a pretty, you know, strong

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growth program. As I said, we prefer to own our properties. Um one of the things that I think is unique about our company in addition to the fact that we own and operate our locations for the long term. Uh flagship corporate headquarters is located down in Virginia and they've

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been operating car washes. I mean, they're like the premier operator down in that region, and they've been operating for quite a long time. It's a very sophisticated operation. They take great uh pride and great care in the design and function of their facilities. They really do value customer service as

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their number one priority. And with that, you know, we hire locally, of course, but that whole operations team will come up from corporate headquarters 3 to four weeks before a wash opens and train the on-site employees. All of the on-site employees are corporate

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employees of Flagship. Um, they have uh health benefits and 401k, you know, they're real uh employees of the corporation, which I think is just something else that sort of sets us apart from an operational and a responsibility perspective. Um, I don't know, you think everybody has the plan.

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We're happy to walk through that if if if that's helpful. Otherwise, you know, if there's any other questions about who we are and what our intention is, we would love to be here in Hillsboro. um appreciate your time tonight, understanding this is one step of many in the process for us. Uh looking

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forward to hopefully working together for a while. >> Um thank you. Um does anybody on the day have any questions? Um Mr. Bernstein, are there any guidelines we should follow here or just uh this is a conceptual review, right? It's

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>> a conceptual review. Obviously, it is not a permitted use within the zone. Therefore, it must be determined by the board of adjustment whether they are entitled to a use variance pursuant to 405D70D, which is not something that this board

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has any jurisdiction over. >> Right. >> Um, does anybody on the Dis have any comments or questions? >> I just have a I'm looking at the at this mic.

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Can you hear me now? Thank you. Um I'm just It looks like maybe it's just me. I'm trying to determine where the site is because one of the sites Yeah, I know. But on one of the things it's across from Lindstöm Drive in Falcon

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Road. It says site and then the other one is behind where I think it is behind Piny Woods on Route 206. So, I'm not sure why the tax map and the aerial map are different than the USGS map and the key map.

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>> We have our civil engineer here who probably is best suited to answer that. >> No, I I I know where it is. I'm just curious as to why the USGS map has a a different site. The key map has the site across from Wendy's,

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but the tax map and the aerial map show a different location. >> If you don't mind, what's the date of the plan that you're looking at? >> Where would I find the the date >> 12226? >> So, where's the >> bottom bottom corner right under this

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title? >> So, I have March 23rd of 26. Is that the updated one? >> Yeah, we're just making sure it's consistent with what he's doing. >> Okay. I'm sure it's probably just an oversight, but I just wanted to make sure I'm looking at the right thing. Thank you. >> So, in the upper left,

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>> in the upper left hand corner, you'll see one of the It's kind of under your armpit. >> Oh, sorry. >> That's unfortunate. >> I didn't I I didn't know how to politely say that any other way. Um, so that map is showing Falcon. Oh, gotcha.

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>> Oh, I said >> was there a potential other location? >> Um I Mr. Quiz pointed out to Mayor if I if I may. Um it looks like they're just it's a different location on the key map. Um Mr. Wagner, thank you for

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pointing that out shown on the GIS. Um and the is it this tax, right? The tax map. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yeah. the uh amount of policy. >> I don't know about >> No, it's informal. >> Okay, >> correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Bernstein,

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but because it's informal, we don't need a swearing in. >> Yeah. So, I think uh >> Okay. >> My name >> Yeah. Uh Judy J u d y last name is knop

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k n o p of course. >> Uh Joe Holtzful. H O L Z A P F E L with Bowler Engineering B O H L E R. >> Mr. Holtzful, you are you a licensed professional engineer?

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>> I am and my license is currently active. >> Very briefly indicate to the board what your qualifications are. >> Sure. I am the branch manager of our Redbank New Jersey office. Been practicing civil engineering for almost 11 years. Graduated from New Jersey

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Institute of Technology. Um been a licensed professional since 2021. >> Thank you. >> Go ahead. So I think um I think for from what I'm seeing the key map uh does illustrate it essentially across street from the

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Wendy's um you know nearest the nearest the intersection here of 206 um where 206 kind of curves to the east. Um the aerial map and the tax map are at a different scale so they are zoomed in a little bit seem to be in the right location. I think the uh the USGS a

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little harder to to indicate, but there might be uh the site itself might be slightly off on the USGS map, which is what I believe you're pointing out. So, we can we'll we'll adjust that. >> Yeah. It's way off, though. I just wanted to make sure >> it's off. We'll adjust that. >> No problem. Not not not to create a

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controversy right out of the gate. >> I I know where the location is. I was just >> It's why I had it under my armpit because I knew it was wrong. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> We'll fix that. Thank you. >> Yeah,

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>> it is not at Falcon Road. >> Um, what are your uh you know, you say you met with Mr. Kois and and the planning department a year ago. Uh we did get his memo which emphasized that this is not a permitted use and it's in the middle of

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our TC zone in the future uh downtown area or town center area I should say and um so I'm just curious if that was discussed at that time which you're shaking your head that it was but

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um and so you still feel confident that that that this will get pushed through at at the zoning department zoning uh board because it's it's really it's a non it it's not something I think that people would have

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expected to go in in that area honestly. So >> that's up to the board. >> Which board? >> Board. >> Got it. Got it. I I just want to know what they considered, you know, in in you know all this this hard work. >> Ask them whether or not they considered something other than a car wash. That's

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well within here. But in terms of whether or not they're ultimately eligible to get a car wash there, >> not within this board's purview. >> Right. Right. >> So any consider any other uses because all we do is car washes.

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>> True. >> For the record. >> Got it. Yeah. You know, >> then uh excuse me, Mr. Chairman, if I may. Sure. Uh so what we generally do here as we have different uses that show interest in wanting to come in and start

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doing their due diligence, we will uh bring some different departments together and and start to talk a little bit about the concept and talk about uh potential challenges that a site may may face which I feel comfortable representing that. Yes, we did represent

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that the locations in the town center district and we did talk about uh the vision for for the town center. Uh, I did want to reiterate to the board that the town center district is is unique

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compared to the other districts throughout the town in that there's a requirement uh for an informal to happen before any formal application gets gets gets put in. And I believe that that was put in there uh essentially for for both

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the township and also for applicants to go over some of the uniqueness to the town center and what's what's expected in terms of of what a development would ultimately look like. So to some degree it's it's sort of a safeguard, but

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certainly applicants have their have their right to try to make their their arguments and decide to make a decision to go to the board. But I do want to represent that we did go over uh some of the challenges. I believe a number of the things that are in my report were

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were were represented verbally. uh since having this application filed, even though informal, it then prepared or gave me an opportunity to at least cover as much as possible to try to be potentially helpful to the applicant so

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they have some sort of expectations because these are things that a future board could potentially look at if uh if the applicant decides to proceed forward. >> If I may, Mr. here and I we thank you for your report and you were I will agree that that's consistent with um our

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meeting although we didn't know about the informal when we met. So, it was kind of like we were a little taken off guard, you know, because normally when you file for a non-permitted use, you file straight with the BOA. Obviously, we're happy to come here and present. Um, and we know we have a uphill battle.

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Um, obviously it's a use. It's not permitted. We're well aware of it. My client's aware of it. Engineer Records aware of it. Um, but again, we will acknowledge what you have in your report. we understand um you know what was said and basically what the proofs

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we will need. Um we don't have a planner here because it's informal. It's not a full application or public hearing. Um but basically at the end of the day we know what we're facing. >> Okay. >> Did you want to say anything else? >> No. Agreed. Mr. Choice was very clear.

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We understand the challenges. We think that we have you know taken as we do with all of the sites that we evaluate. we really carefully, you know, lay the site out and we try to be our, you know, put the best presentation forward that we have. I think we have good valid reasons for the the design that we've

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come up with and we'll tackle that before the board. Um, we do understand, you know, that it's a use variance and that it's a heavy burden of proof. Um, we're committed to the site. We think it's a great location. We think we're consistent with the uses in the surrounding area accepting the master

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plan um for the for the town center. you know, what exists today I think is very compatible with us and we feel that it would be a great site for us and a great redevelopment of a property that's you know bladed for lack of a better word and excuse me Mr. Chairman if I just may

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acknowledge something that they said uh just full disclosure uh when we met I acknowledge we did not go over that requirement. Uh subsequently they continue to do their due diligence. Then they submitted to the zoning board

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directly and through completeness review is essentially where that very important detail was was caught. So just full full disclosure that's how we ended up here. >> Thank you Mr. Ko. >> Thanks. Um yeah so I have two two two

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questions um which you may hear in the future um or one's a clarification and that they're both for the engineer. First is has to do with the wetlands in the back. >> Sure. >> Looks like they're still remaining. There's a bunch of trees on the map. So, it looks like those are remaining untouched. Although, there is a a

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delineation or a proposed line. So, any any wetlands and that those are the letters that you've put in for already. >> So, there are wetlands in the rear. Um for any impact to them, we would have to go through the D for freshwater wetlands permitting and we are in the process of

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that. >> Okay. Thanks. And and the second part is on the west side. Um I've been trying to see exactly where but this there's going to be sidewalks if there aren't existing ones. So I don't know if you're using the exist fully know if you're using the

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existing eress access to the site but you know that for for for what will be the downtown or the town center there will be sidewalks and I think there's sidewalks on that site already. they are. >> So just want to make sure you you acknowledge that.

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>> Uh correct. So the the access point itself will generally remain in the same location which is why we have the DOT letter of no interest. Um and then there is a sidewalk along the front page. Correct. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So I have a question generally and very

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non-technically. Um, can you explain the use of the building? Just like the the layout internally because I see like little lightsaber things for lack of a better and I can't read the font on what exactly they are. So, I would love a definition of course an explanation. >> It's it's a it's a great question.

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>> I know they're not lightsabers. So, >> um, it's a great question. So, the entire car wash process is contained within the building, which is why it's a big building at 14,000 square feet. It's a unique operation and we do struggle to try to explain it to boards. The good news is we did open one in Vinland, New

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Jersey last year. So if anybody feels like a road trip, you could experience it yourselves. Um the concept that we're proposing here is called the flex concept because it gives the customer ultimate flexibility as to what they want to include in their wash process. So at a minimum, everybody goes through

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the wash tunnel. Uh when they come out of the wash tunnel, they have three different options on how to proceed. They can say, "All I wanted was a wash, or all I have time for is a wash, and I'm leaving the site." They can, um, go to the vacuums, uh, vacuum parking spaces, and vacuum the interior of their

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car. There's towels that they could do like a final wipe off and clean the inside of their windows. Or they can circulate back into the building. Ah, thank you, Joe. You're welcome. >> That's probably more helpful. >> Why don't we mark >> Or they can mark this A1. >> Sure. >> Sorry.

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>> Indicate what it is. >> Yep. So, for reference, we're looking at the site plan. It's within the packets. Do we still want to mark it? Okay. Um, it is within your packets. The site plan sheet C301. Uh, for reference, north is to the top of the page. And this exhibit was

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prepared by my office. Um, the date is the same date as the plans, which is um 2026. It looks like January 22nd, 2026. >> So, maybe it's more helpful if I get up and talk through the plan. You like to

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>> I don't know how to use that. >> You might want >> fingers work. Fingers work. We're fine. >> You can like >> Oh, like now I'm like really professional. >> Uh so when customers enter the site, they will proceed straight back to the

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rear of the property where there are three pay stations. Um one one is like if you're a member, we have a membership program. Um, if you're a member, it reads your license plate or a barcode in your car and opens the gate and then you proceed into the wash tunnel, which is

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uh page south on the building. If you're not a member, a customer, an employee rather, of the car wash will greet you. They'll explain your options that you have to proceed. They'll um help you process your payment in the payment kiosk and then they will uh direct you into the wash tunnel. In the wash

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tunnel, the customer is still inside their car. Um, there's employees of the car wash that are guiding you to line up your car. We have belts instead of like the conveyor, so it's a lot easier to like get in to the into the tunnel. >> You know those old car washes where you have to line your car up exactly like

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stress me out. So, we have a belted system. It's much easier to get in, but nonetheless, we have uh employees that will greet you at the entrance to the tunnel, direct you how to go in. You put your car in neutral, and you go through the wash process. When you come out, as I was saying, you can either go to um

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the vacuum area and you can vacuum the interior of your car, wipe it down, etc., or you can um circulate back around the building into one of two dry belts. In here, the customer gets out of

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their car and employees of the car wash um vacuum the interior of the car, clean the windows. Everything that the customer would do in the vacuum area, it's done by the employees inside the building. So, those are the options for how um the customer can choose. That's why we call it a flex because they can

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choose how they want to proceed with their wash for the day. >> I'm slightly disappointed they're not lifesavers. Now, >> they can be. We'll bedazzle them. Don't worry. >> Yes, it's very bedazzling. >> Thank you for the explanation. That's helpful. >> Yeah, of course. What's the cycle time

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on the a wash versus >> So the average wash um is anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes. The dry belt process is anywhere from 6 to 8 minutes which is why we have two of them just so we can keep up with the volume coming out of the car uh wash tunnel. >> Okay. Okay. So I was confused on that

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also because I saw like detail and it looked almost like it was a bay and so that helps a lot. Thank you for explaining that. >> Yeah, of course. Um, and the dry belts also they're belted. So, you know, even though the customer is not taking the car through the wash, again, it's much easier. There's like a loading belt with that they pull up on, right? And the the

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employees greet them, get them out of their car, they go into the building. I mean, they're already in the building, but into a waiting area somewhere else inside the building and then they come out at the end of the drive belt and pick up their car. >> Okay. >> Again, there's an employee there greeting them and directing them out of the out of the building.

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>> Okay. >> You done, Mayor? Yes, I'm done. >> Okay. I didn't want to interrupt you. >> Wow. >> Um, so two questions. The first one is this a common foot floor plan of all of your sites in this this kind or is it just based on the site specific?

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>> No, this is a fairly prototypical flex for us. We have a few different models. We have an express which is just a wash tunnel and vacuums and we have a full serve which is the building components with no vacuums. Um, but this is our standard footprint. >> Good. Because then maybe you can answer the question. So,

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when they're queuing in, when they all come in off the 206 and they're waiting at that greeting station. >> Mhm. >> How many cars can you queue in before they start to impede on the cross the cross area? >> You know what I'm saying? If they start backing up far enough now, the people that are coming in, they can't get

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around the loop. If they decide they want to come in, vacuum their car or whatever because your loop is one way. You understand what I'm saying? So the question is how many cars can queue here before it gets >> before we start blocking that that intersection. Do you do you know uh yeah

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>> um I don't know that we have an exact sorry >> oh sorry >> I don't know that we have an exact queuing just for reference the building itself if you see that is 143 uh feet so plus or minus the same maybe maybe a little more a little less so divided by 20 you could probably get around six

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cars I would assume in each in each lane five to six cars in each lane >> okay >> um we actually studied four of our locations, two in Maryland and two in Virginia, exact similar concept of a flex. And during our peak hours, which

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of course is like Saturday from 11 to uh 11 to 3, the maximum queueing was 12. So if we have 16 here, we wouldn't expect any anything to get back to this intersection. >> Okay. Um well, and that was just my

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that's why I asked if you had used this. So you have some real hard data as to what you you answered, which is thankful. So once they're through the pay kiosk, right, and then they get in line to go through station one. >> Um I'm sure obviously there's if on a

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busy day, we hope everyone's busy. >> You said each each round is roughly 3 to five minutes to get through the car wash. >> Through the wash tunnel. Yeah. >> Okay. Is that standard on a average car wash timing? >> It is.

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>> Okay. Um, >> and the variability is just, you know, it depends on what people choose for their option, right? Because you could do tire shine, etc. So, it really just depends. The variability is dependent upon what they choose for their options. >> And the customer doesn't get out of the car, so there's no delay there. They just stay in the car the entire time.

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>> Yeah. And the belt is moving moving the car through. So, the customer is not doing anything. They put their car in neutral and they just >> slide through on the belt. >> No foot on the brake. >> No foot on your No foot on the brake, please. So, the parking spots as you

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come in to the right, what are they for? >> For employees. >> For employee parking. >> Mhm. Okay. >> And my last question, obviously, since we're not the zoning board, whatever, why do you need the height that you need for the building

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you above our normal? It's like 35 ft or something like that. Um, it's a singlestory building. I'm I'm not sure that that's >> Aren't they above the permitted? Did I see that for height? >> Well, we we'll have to confirm that. >> Uh,

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>> it's 36.5 is what you're asking for, I guess, is >> correct. I I believe the the variance is actually on the inverse. It's there's a minimum of two stories, right? >> So, we're we're I guess from that perspective, we're below. Um, but we will confirm what the final height is based on the grade and the height of the

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uh tallest part of the roof. >> And Mr. Mayhew, was there any kind of requirement for storm water on this site that is included in the plan? So maybe you can answer that based on what it's becoming.

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>> Um, yes there because I don't see any detention basins or anything in the plan. So maybe >> so >> sorry if if I may. There there absolutely is stormwater requirements. So um as soon as you go to the D, they're always going to look for stormwater review for what we're doing.

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Um as of right now, we are proposing a lot of this um I'll call it the front area or the west area of the site is porous pavement. So not your standard above ground, but it does act as a basin um for purposes of the D. And we'll all discharge to the east or the rear um of

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the site as it does today. If I could, while we're on storm water, uh first of all, our our office did not prepare a review letter for this informal hearing. We've prepared a completeness review letter um for the

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zoning officer um in anticipation of the board of adjustment meeting. And since our impression was most of these issues tonight were going to be planning issues, we deferred to Mr. course, but and we haven't done a an engineering

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review for the BO BOA yet because it hasn't been deemed complete, but since you brought up Mr. Pony stormwater. I did look through, it's my favorite subject, and I looked through this is my >> the um storm report and I noticed that

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um a couple test pits were done and a couple basin flooding tests were done and and the report stated that you didn't get enough drainage to meet D requirements and um I guess a statement was made that

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we're not going to infiltrate and recharge. So, I just wanted to point out to your benefit when we start getting into the engineering review, I want to give you a heads up that a couple things. Hillsboro ordinance if you are trying to reclassify soils and this is a

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C soil um and if you're trying to reclassify to D um we don't allow use of the annual groundwater recharge spreadsheet because once you classify soil to a D then there's zero recharge according to the

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spreadsheet in the current condition and therefore applicants wouldn't need to do any recharge in the proposed condition. So >> correct. >> Um last year the township up uh updated their stormwater management ordinance and I you know if you want to reach out to me I can point you in that direction.

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>> Sure. >> So if and if you're going to try to reclassify the soil the only option for the recharge criteria is to use the pre and post to your storm runoff volume and recharge it. Um we recognize there's a lot of challenging soils in Hillsboro

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with some very slow infiltration rates and we've had multiple applicants come in um use one methodology to get their DRCC approvals, get the D approvals, but then do an extra step to meet the Hillsboro

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Township recharge criteria. we we accept much lower infiltration rates and I can certainly feel free to call me and work with you and show you some examples. So I guess my major takeaway at this is once you get if you move forward to the BOA and get a review letter from us

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that's going to be one of the major comments is to let's find a way to make sure we are recharging. >> Understood. Definitely take you up on that offer to to work through it with you. And what we've been doing is our soul scientists have been going out with applicants um when you're doing testing.

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So if you're going to do more test pits, we'd like that chance to be out there with you. >> Okay. Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I'm done, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you. Anybody else have any >> You had mentioned that you own your

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property. So are you a contract purchaser for this one? >> We are. >> Okay. It's the only one I got right now. >> I guess I'll state the obvious. I assume you do know that there's car washes to the north and south of you in the town.

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>> Yeah, we if if I may. >> Yeah. Yeah, we we discussed it with uh Mr. Kin planning when we met for the preapp. So, they gave us the lay of the land and we did our due diligence as well. >> Okay. And the last one is, do you have any car washes in another town center

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that we could use for perhaps the zoning board could use for comparison >> in a town center zone? >> Uh town center, you know, down in a main street area, downtown area. >> Um, not in New Jersey. We just have uh Vinand in Brooklyn at the moment. I

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mean, Brooklyn's like on the back end of a Waw Wa Shopping Center. Vinland was a former right aid that we converted but probably down in the DMV area we do >> okay >> um we also have done some um video

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studies because particularly for this flex concept it's not um it's not common here I think we're really the only ones doing it at the moment um so we have like drone footage and videos that we've done of like existing facilities I mean that if

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that's helpful We can, you know, show those as well, how the site operates >> when we go before the >> B. I was going to say it definitely would be helpful for the BOA. >> Yeah. Great. >> 100% agree. >> Yeah. >> No lightsaber confusion though.

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>> Um, any other comments from the days? I have a question a little bit I guess technical but I just want to understand it a little bit more. So you guys are increasing the impervious coverage

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pretty substantially from what's there now is a big portion of that because of the propri proprietary system I'm reading about here called MTP is that the I don't know if you can explain to me a little bit more about

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how that works versus regular Um, so I I mean a lot of the and all is >> it just based on the building size? I don't you can understand. >> Um, it it it's all-encompassing I would say. So I mean a lot of the impervious coverage that we're looking at is from

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here back. So we are cutting back into we'll call it the the more of the shrubbery area, tree area. Um we do have tree replacement calculations, all that to comply with. Um, but the building is larger than the existing bank that's there, which from a storm water

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perspective is usually a good thing, right? When you have a buildings, it's because clean water. Um, and then just the size of the building, the operation, plus some of the vacuum spaces up front. Our site is compliant as well from a parking perspective. Um, so I would say it's a it's a combination of of those

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few items. >> So has nothing to do with the MTP system. Do you mind uh just pointing me where you're looking at the MTP? >> This is about It's in the storm DR the DRCC canal the canal commission report.

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They talk about the um it's a proprietary system that you guys use for storm water management. >> Oh, it they might be referring to the treatment device. >> Uhhuh. Okay. >> Yeah. So, the treatment device is a small device that is uh they might have just used some acronym. It's a a

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treatment device that's essentially what it is. It's underground. Um it collects water. And when we have water that doesn't go into a porous pavement area, porous pavement treats water or an above ground basin would treat water. >> When we have certain areas, smaller areas that don't have a basin, it will

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go through the treatment device and out to the alpha. So it is treated even though it doesn't go through a a normal above ground system process. I I assume that's what they're referring to. >> Yeah, I think so. Okay. No, that was more just I was curious. I mean

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>> Sure. I I think the impervious is more along the operational side than the storm water side. >> Because of the impervious we are providing more storm water. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Mhm. >> Thanks. Any other from the deis

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professionals? Are you satisfied? Will there be another witness or >> I was going to be coming back up? >> Uh, >> you got them both at once >> for for the zoning board. >> Okay. Two for one >> right now. Yeah. >> Okay. Uh, it's more of a question uh

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back to the applicant if if if they had any questions or concerns related to what I wrote. Um I did want to if there was anything to emphasize uh it's the potential

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cross access to the north and to the south um to propose so that as the sites to the north and the site to the south are developed in the future is so that we could have a interconnection.

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um Town Center Drive just just north a few properties north. It's included in our circulation plan as a uh as a service road essentially. And uh I bring all this up just for the applicant to

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take consideration into this because if at some point the school site is developed, it's going to be important to have uh connections. And if we have sites to the north of this site that start to be developed as town centers

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and as this board is aware, we have an inclusionary development just a few properties to to the north of this site uh that's going to be designed in a in a town center way and is going to have uh potentially the town center drive ready

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to start going south. So just as a point of consideration in trying I totally understand where you're coming from with your proposed use but other than that if there's a way to propose uh access and

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design it so that circulation can go north and south and still interact or not interfere with what you're proposing is is is what I would recommend. >> Thank you. I think that's something we can take a look at. Consider I think we

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did notice that in your in your letter. So, we'll look at that. >> All right. U motion and a second open public. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. So, if anybody from the public wants to ask these witnesses or

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the applicant, uh, please come on up. >> No, we got one. >> Kelly has no questions. Somebody else. >> Yeah. Can you give him the Yeah. How are you? Give him the mic. >> Hi everyone. >> It's uh Albert Inosha. I have a uh a business in town. >> Last name, sir?

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>> Inoshia. I N T E R N O S C I A. >> Thank you. >> Uh I have I have the property 421 which is directly north of this uh property and also uh 419 which is adjacent to that. My I love car washes. I mean I'm

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I'm a car wash addict. Good to know. >> So, if you get approved, >> first member. >> Yeah, I will be I'll be the first member for sure. Um, however, I will say obviously the application has to stand on what's going to fit in with the town center and I think as a member of

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Hillsboro, you know, for a long time and we all, you know, really look forward to having a town center that we could all be proud of. Um my biggest concern is with the water runoff, the impervious uh increase in imperous surface. Uh my property being directly north of it,

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sharing that same area on the east where all the water's going to go out to. To my knowledge, there's no artificial barrier that separates 421 from this property. So my concern is the water runoff that continues into 421 where my

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property is and also 419 which is all back there. And I you know I know and I' I've talked to Mr. Kis about the um the future planned development of the town center. Uh and um I'm interested and and want to be part of that discussion. Uh

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but I really have grave concerns about the water management. I hope you can, you know, alle, you know, alle those fears and and tell me that what you're planning is more than just pushing the water off to the east. Uh, and that you're going to be able to manage the

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increased amount of water runoff that's inevitable when you have such an increase in impervious surface. >> Sure. Um, thank you for your comment and thank you for coming out. Um, as a member of the public, we certainly appreciate um, your comment and obviously this isn't the public hearing.

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Um but we we can assure that when we go before the board BOA we'll provide significant testimony by a licensed engineer with regard to runoff. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. Doctor, just a question for you. Yes. >> Do you have a lot of flooding back there now?

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>> So, uh 420. >> Yeah. Um so, you know, 419 is fine, but behind 419 is where 421 is. that water that area is all wooded and when water lands in the parking lot, it does back

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up in the area and it just kind of sits there. There's kind of like a I'm not going to call it a stream, but there's an area where water kind of gathers, >> okay? >> And eventually it does settle down. But I know that if there's a lot I mean, I haven't seen the the plans really. I mean, I've only just seen from sitting

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back there and I don't know what percentage is being increased, but if it's a lot, there's definitely going to be runoff. I don't know where it's going to go. I'm not sure how it's pitched. I think it's pitched to the back. Am I right? You guys know. >> He could he could touch upon it briefly.

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>> So So in general, yes, you are correct. There is an increase in impervious at the rear. And likely from from what I'm hearing, there is a wetlands pocket at the rear. Wetlands generally mean there's I don't want to say standing water, but it's wet, right? So the D

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does take jurisdiction over this. So this we are not able to nor can we touch really this back area if there is standing water here. It's an existing condition that we can only try to make better. So from our perspective yes and just so I'm clear 421 up here on the top

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of the page right here. Correct. >> So we are proposing curb lines. So I have been to the site existing today. Um you know kind of flat. There's not a whole lot of storm water infrastructure that I can tell. We are proposing like I said porest pavement out in the front. A lot of the impervious that you're going

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to have at the rear is due to the roof, right, which is more controlled because you have roof and gutters. So, a lot of what's not, I'll say more on the payment. We do have a curb line along here with inlets here. A majority of the water flow is handled locally on the

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site via inlets and infrastructure. It all eventually discharges actually away from your property and more towards the southern portion. Now the DP and and working with uh the board engineer as well we are going to have to reduce peak runoff flow meaning that in general we

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do have to reduce peak flows from the site even though we are increasing impervious. >> So how do you do that? >> Uh so essentially what you do is you provide a basin and again this is not your typical above ground basin that looks like a bathtub and it's water just sitting there. It is underground but the

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water will infiltrate via porous pavement and it has enough volume in there that it generally sits in the voids right in the in the stone whatever it might be. And the idea is that you have an an outlet control structure it's called which means the water essentially

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is released slower than it would have. So it helps with you know just not all the water rushing to the end point at the same time. >> That's what that means. Yep. You got it. >> Thank you very much. Any other public questions? >> Yeah, just a quick question. Um, the

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water that you use to wash, is that all recycled 100%. And what do you do with the residue? >> I wish we could recycle 100%. No one's doing that in the car wash business. On average, we recycle about 40% of our water. >> Where does the uh rest of it go?

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>> Um, water. Is it sanitary sewer? What what's the >> combination of both? Um, so we have a series of reclaim tanks that sit inside the building and the last one is an oil water separator. So anything that gets discharged to the sanitary sewer system from the wash tunnel from the wash

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process um goes through that oil water separator before it gets discharged to the um sanitary system. >> Okay. So nothing really goes out to create any kind of uh runoff I guess is my >> from the wash process. No. >> Yeah. No.

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>> Like when we wash our own car just goes in the driveway. Yeah. No. If that's happening here, we have a serious issue. >> All right. Anybody else from the public? Seeing none, motion to close. >> Motion to close. >> Second.

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>> Favor. >> All right. Um, I don't think there's anything we need to >> do. Right. David, what if anything do you need relative to this board as it relates to the completeness application

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for the zoning board? You like that question? It's a good question. What? It's a good question. Uh, I don't think there's anything. Um, the zoning officer is aware that this is happening right now and from a

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completeness standpoint, she will recognize that that this took place. >> I mean, we're going to do a resolution just to have it for the record that the board met and had these things, but is there anything specifically you want in it? >> No. >> Okay.

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>> Just Mr. It's a motion to acknowledge that the planning board conducted a informal review of a concept plan for Flagship New Jersey Propco LLC. File number 26 PBO7

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INF at block 199 lot 55 located 425 Route 206. And as part of the town center designation, uh the board conducted said review, gave comments, asked questions, and

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provided, for lack of a better phrase, advice to the applicant and to the zoning planning and zoning department relative to an upcoming application. If they so move forward before the zoning board.

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>> All right. Somebody to make that motion and second. >> Motion to approve. >> Not approved, but sorry. >> All I heard was approved >> for the motion. >> Settled down. I'll get my lightsaber. >> It's on the record. It's on the record.

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>> Motion to send it to the board of adjustment. Second. >> Thank you very much, everybody. These comments are very >> Let's get a roll call. Make it official. >> Oh, Mr. Wagner. >> No. Get out while you can. Right. >> Yes. Mr. Flag, >> yes. Mr. >> Mali,

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>> yes. >> Smith, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Leani, >> yes. >> Payne, >> yes. >> Vice Chair P. >> Sure. >> Chair, >> yes. Thank you for your time and interest in Hillsboro. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. Appreciate your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> All right. Um, next meeting is April

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23rd right here. Uh, and then May 7th. Mr. Ko, do we have anything on the uh agenda for those? >> Not yet. Well, April 23rd, a business meeting, okay, >> for consideration to cancel >> 23rd. >> April 23rd. >> Okay.

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>> Uh because that's going to be a master plan subcommittee night. >> Okay. So, should we do these one at a time? Are we doing >> one at a time? >> All right. So, I need a motion to cancel the April 23rd business meeting and a second. >> So, moved.

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>> Second. >> We always go fast. Is it a Is it a uh All in favor? >> I >> All right. Uh May 7th. >> See you then. >> Well, hold on. >> Hold your horses there, boss. >> I am hopeful for a couple of

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resolutions. >> Right. So there's technically nothing scheduled at the moment, but what we typically do is we'll hold on to this just in case and then it could go to the chairman to potentially cancel if but if by some

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chance it's needed then Eric will advise reserve reserve our rights. >> Eric is fine >> right and for those of you I will not be here might interest you Mr. >> We'll take care of it. >> All right. I believe that I'm hopeful there will be two resolutions on the

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agenda. >> Okay. >> From May 4th, >> May 7th, >> maybe and and possibly >> maybe one of these >> first in May, >> depending on if Michael gets me the transcripts. >> All right.

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Motion and a second to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. All >> in favor? >> I thank you. See everybody in May.