I would like to like all those that notice of this meeting has been provided to the public in accordance with the provisions of the open public meeting act and that notice was published in the city website copies provided the Bergen record elder special
the Northstar ledger jersey journal also placed on a bulletin board in the lobby of city hall written objections if any should be made to the city clerk >> flag of the stands nation
indivisibley and justice for Mr. >> Here. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Imus >> here. >> Mrs. Jabbor >> here. >> President Zano >> present. >> Mr. Caterero >> present. >> Mr. Ramos >> present.
>> Mr. Russo >> present. >> President Doyle >> present. >> Um M is uh Mr. >> No >> actually. Council President, I just I just uh want to make a note that uh
>> I think we need to suspend the agenda. You are not aware of this because you have a conflict of interest, but there is a this is your final regular meeting as member of the Hoboken city council and there's a proclamation that has been prepared that your council colleagues would like to present to you. So, if you
would uh join us at the front. >> Is there an emergency resolution? >> No, there is. No. You want to make an emergency resolution a second? Upzoning the city tonight, Jim to 50 stories across the >> In your honor, >> is it on? >> Yep, you're on.
>> Do it from Mars. >> Trying to kill me. >> He hates pump. He hates pumping surface. So, I know. >> Come on. You got to take one. Hello.
>> Come on up, friend. >> All right. So, I'm gonna I'm gonna read the proclamation and then I'm going to turn it over to all my council colleagues who I know would like to make their expressions to Councilman Doyle. I know we're on the clock. Whereas Jim Doyle has been a resident of
Hoboken since 1987 and has been actively engaged in the community since the early 1990s with a long-standing commitment to sensible development and the expansion of open space. And whereas Jim is a highly skilled attorney with extensive experience in development and environmental law and has been a
consistent and effective advocate for sensible, affordable, and environmentally sustainable development for the benefit of the Hoboken community. And whereas Jim was a founder and longtime member of Hoboken's green team, helping to promote environmentally sustainable policies and also served for
many years as a leader of the Hoboken Harriers running club, which organized annual charitable events benefiting local not forprofits, including the Jubilee Center. And whereas Jim has devoted more than 30 years to the practice of environmental law in New York City, serving with both the US
Environmental Protection Agency and the US Department of Justice. And whereas Jim has served with distinction for many years as the city council representative to the Hoboken planning board, mentoring newly appointed commissioners and providing thoughtful guidance on complex land use matters. And whereas Jim has
served the city of Hoboken as a member of the city council for more than 12 years. First as an appointed atlarge council member in 2012 and subsequently as an atlarge council member elected to three consecutive terms in 2013, 2017
and 2021. And whereas thim Jim's thoughtful, collegial approach to governance, his good humor, mentorship, and friendship have made him an invaluable colleague, and his sage advice and leadership have been relied upon by Mayor Don Zimmer, Mayor Ravi Bala, and their administrations. And
whereas with the ste steadfast support of his loving family and his wife Leah Healey, Jim has dedicated thousands of hours of service to the people of Hoboken and his uninterrupted elected service commenced on January 1, 2014 and will conclude on
January 15, 2026. Now therefore, on this 17th day of December, 2025, I, Rainder Esbala, mayor of the city of Hoboken, on behalf of my administration, the members of the Hoboken city council and the residents of the city of Hoboken, do hereby recognize and thank Jim Doyle for his
extraordinary contributions and distinguished service to the city of Hoboken and extend best wishes for many years of good health and happiness with Leah enjoying the lake, good books, his motorcycle, and his many interests beyond Hoboken's halls of government.
Congratulations. >> And I want to allow all the council colleagues to say a few words if they like, but >> you don't have to. >> I I'll be brief. I know other colleagues want >> I I just want to thank uh Jim for number one, his professionalism always. Uh,
number two, always willing to have a conversation with you or anyone else about the issue at hand, the topic at hand, and doing it in a very level-headed, calm fashion. And number three, I know all of us are going to miss Jim's emails where he corrects the
commas in the wrong place in section two, line five, and the intent is all wrong. So, please correct that. So, Jim, uh, we really appreciate your approach to governance. Uh you are the embodiment of what government is all about. Caring your community, giving back, and always standing on principle for what you
believe in. So I appreciate that, Jim, and thank you for your service. And we're going to miss you. Thank you, Jim. >> You ready, Jim? >> Yeah. >> No, I I have to reiterate some of the same things. Uh Jim has always been the calming voice in the room. He's always
been steadfast in his beliefs and I think it's really important to have that guidance uh not only here as a councilman, but even before he served on the council and I'm sure well after he serves here on the council, he's been uh steadfast in the community. He will
continue to do that. And Jim, listen, there's nothing wrong with being number two to Aaliyah because in my house I'm actually number six to Aaliyah. So you one up me there again, brother. So I appreciate all all of it all through the years. yourself. Congratulations.
>> Um, Jim likes obscure references, so I will make one right now. Uh, Jim, you are truly the Catis of Hoboken. uh you were thrust you never you never sought uh the position but you were thrust into service uh many many years ago and and despite um you trying to get out of it a
lot um I'm just uh we kept pulling you back in um and Jim actually a lot of people don't know this Jim uh didn't want to run four years ago uh until he found out some maniac named Joe Cano was on the ticket ticket and and he needed to uh to be a
calming influence Uh, but I do thank I want to thank Jim for everything I've learned from him over the past four years. Uh, echoing statements of of Ruben uh and Mike. Um, you know, from learning about the sacred donut to being thorough with uh with any ordinances or resolutions. I'm happy to
take over the role of Kromagin uh on the city council from you uh from now on. Uh and and thank you again. >> Not really. So, I met Jim before I was on the city council. I was on the zoning board and
um didn't know a lot about land use and learned a lot from Jim. He and I have been partners, I would say, through thick and thin. Um even when we weren't necessarily politically aligned, we always came together around development in Hoboken, which is one of the biggest issues that we have. And he always took
a Hoboken first approach. he was on the conservative smart development end of what is a wide spectrum and we really needed to have that discipline um in the city oftentimes bringing votes together to stop things other times you know not necessarily able to stop um development
but able to take what was a crazy out ofcale development and make it um as smart as and as good as we possibly can. Um he I always knew I would either get the call from him on these or uh he would get a call from me. Um, I I want
to make sure I say that this year, by the way, I can't believe I'm gonna cry. I cry at everyone's leaving, but but this year, so last year when Jen passed, he stepped into a role he never wanted. He's never wanted to be council president. We had to force him to be
council vice president that year. Um, and he stepped in gracefully at a time we were all hurting. Um, more importantly, in the following year, uh, when we had a divided council, we had four council members running for mayor, I went to him and said, "We need you. We
need you to be the calming voice in what is going to be an incredibly, um, what we expected to be a turbulent year." And he was exactly what we needed. I would say this year we've had some of the most calm conversations, most constructive um, conversations, and a lot of that was
the tone that he set for our community. He's going to definitely be missed. Um, I know Phil said in the uh proclamation that we hope you guys have fun away from Hoboken to Leah and everything. Um, I personally hope he sticks around and we hear more of him and we we don't lose
all of his contributions um to our community. So, with that, enjoy your time off anyway. Um, but we hope that you'll be back soon. I'll be short since it's only been six weeks that I've been on the council. U but I will say that Jim I've long
admired Jim uh for his long and and long tenure and devotion to Hoboken. uh and I've always looked up to him and in my first six weeks he has been uh such a great influence and really guided me on a lot of um on a lot of things just the
workings of how things come together uh and I really appreciated it. So Jim, I hope you hit everything on your bucket list. >> My piece. Come on. So, I think many of times I leaned on Jim uh for some guidance on some of his
zoning and planning in my term on the on the council here for two years and there's been many of meals that have sat in the microwave because we've been talking for an hour and he's eaten cold meals because of us talking for one or two hours on issues. Uh I think the best
way to describe what's going to happen is we don't know what we have till it's gone. the institutional knowledge that he brings uh from a very, as my colleague said, a calm perspective. We're going to miss that and we're not
going to know that until we actually fall into it in in a matter of a month. So, I'm hoping he stays around and can help uh train up the rest of us so that we don't where we can fill that hole. But there's big boots to fill uh with
your retirement. Uh but again, I want to thank you for all the openness. We haven't always agreed on issues, but uh you've always taken my phone call and we've come to a a positive outcome that we we have to solve something for the city. And most of the I have to say of
the times that we've spoken, we've probably agreed on the deep issues and most of it's been around the planning and zoning. So I want to thank you for that time and I wish you the best of luck and your wife uh going forward. Sorry, I'm going to just be here crying for a minute. Um, when I got elected
eight years ago, sorry, my voice also still hasn't recovered, so I sound terrible. Sorry. Um, when I got elected eight years ago, um, it was during the process of getting elected, I started meeting with Jim. We happened to work in buildings next door to each other. I was at 26 Federal Plaza and he was next door
on Broadway because we're both um employees of uh the federal government. And we started meeting for lunch and we would go over the packet. Back then we would get the packets and it would be hundreds of pages. And by the time I would sit with Jim, he had all these notes all over the outside of this
yellow packet. And I'm thinking, "Oh my god, how do you do this? How do I learn to do this the way that this man does it?" And it, you know, was just trying to absorb everything I could and all of his advice. And then I met Leah in the
process of everything. And I was shocked that Leah wasn't the one who ran for elected office cuz no one was better at door knocking than Leah Healey. I was out there learning things from her, too. And I went, who are these people? They're incredible. They know so many things. But they were always involved because
they love this community so much. and I just so deeply respect that you have spent so much of your life in Hoboken contributing to this community. Um I have learned so much from both of you. Um and Jim has really been my mentor on this council since I started 8 years ago
and I find it really hard to think about what this council will be like moving forward because we all rely on Jim and nobody is like saying that to be polite. We we all rely on Jim. We really um this isn't one of those that's what you're supposed to say when somebody's leaving and you have to be nice. I know how much
time Jim spends talking to all of us because he's trying to get to a better end product. So even when he doesn't agree on a vote about something, he still spends the time to go through it and talk to you about how to make a project better even if he doesn't agree with it in the principle of it because he knows that there's still a better
outcome to be had by working together. Um, I will miss long conversations after council meetings, debriefing and understanding what's just happened because there's a subtext I never knew existed long before I got here. Uh, and I hope that I can continue to call you
up and get advice about everything that goes on in this community because you are truly a public servant like no one I've ever met before. So, thank you for everything. >> I just want to make one one final Don't buy the apple. Jim, >> one final observation before I turn it
over to Jim. Uh uh Jim, some people when they know that they're not running for election or they're not not going to be around in the future kind of check out, kind of think, you know, I can coast to the end and, you know, retire and do
what I really want to do. Jim, as Emily described, did not do that for any of his 12 years, and at least not for the six that I was. And the last 6 months, the last 8 months, the last year where he knew he wasn't running for re-election, he continued to engage in
all those issues, all that work for the community right to the end. And he's talked to me about drafting an ordinance for next year that he didn't get to this year because he's like that. He actually he is so committed to the issues that affect us in the community and we're
just going to miss him terribly. So with that, I'm going to turn it over to the man of the honor to you, Jim. Tim, the voice of reason. It's been an honor working with you all these years and we thank you for your contribution
to the city for Vulcan. And we have a little something for you because we know you're a devout bic bicycle bell. >> Bicyclist. >> We have full of hot air. >> All right. If that don't if that don't
pump you up, >> I can only imagine. >> I think this fight might do. I wish we get to new business, we'll open up to me. All right.
>> Well, thank you for the eulogy. >> There's anyone else sign up to speak? Um, no, I thank you very much for this. I I look forward to editing the proclamation in my spare time, but no, I I would be remiss if I didn't
thank um well, a number a couple of people that come to mind. Um, and I it's it's a woman, but it's it's not Don Zimmer, who was kind enough to ask me to participate in this many, many years ago, but I am grateful to her for that.
It's as as as the proclamation said, it's 12 years and more than 12 years. I need to thank Councilman Russo for making sure that my extra time was abbreviated with a lawsuit that got me
thrown out of office. Um, >> which gave me more time to prepare for for the real show. >> Leah's idea. >> Yeah. But no, I I know you all probably are guessing who it is and um I owe a debt
of gratitude to uh Deini Amani who who was nice enough to extend my career by 50% by causing me to uh be have to run again after what I thought. But no, in all seriousness, my my lovely
wife Leah, who is my concier, my occasional critic and uh soulmate. So I love you Leah and thank you for putting up with this for as long as you have. So let's on with the meeting.
Oh yeah, >> but I know that occasionally bring hope to the meeting. >> So I have brought you snacks. >> This one's for you, honey. >> Okay. >> And there's nothing here. I think even
>> Thank you, Leah. the bottle. >> This is her first amendment. >> This is not really true. She's a smart woman at least. >> Sorry, Joe. >> Okay, here we go. Actually,
before we all sit down, well, now after you've all sat down, >> um we have on a much more somber note, um and Mark, can you come up? We have a proclamation for >> nothing. >> Um
>> Ronardo. Yeah. Ron Ronardo. I have no idea. >> We want You're here on behalf of Weiner Law to accept this proclamation and Ron's family. >> What happened?
>> Thank you very much. So, as some of you may know, um, you know, the city of Hobok and mourns the passing of Ron Cuchiaro, who was uh he was an attorney who represented the city of Hobok and
for for as part of weer law. He was he, um, recently passed away at a very tender young age of 52. He was a distinguished uh partner at Weiner Law Group specializing in land use, zoning,
planning, and affordable housing law. He actually represented the city against my wife when she sued the city some years ago. So, I I was not involved in that lawsuit, but I you know, he did a great
job, resolved the matter to everyone's satisfaction. Um but his advocacy for to uh you know for Hoboken has been great over the years. Tireless. He he was tireless in his efforts. These uh long promoted we're talking about the
affordable housing units that were uh through his work were uh obtained for the city and its residents. Um and he was admired for for his professionalism, judgment, dedication to the community, respectful demeanor, uh and leaving a
lasting impact on all those who work with him. So for this, we'd like to the mayor has signed it and its proclamation on behalf of the city. I don't know if you >> Yeah. Just really quickly, um happy holidays to everybody. Um on behalf of the Weiner Law Group, um Ron was a
exceptional attorney. He wasn't a good attorney. He was an exceptional attorney, but he was an even more exceptional human being. He was kind and he was always um a team guy from the get-go. He and I worked together for 26
years um at the Weiner Law Group. Um he was a very meaningful person to me on a professional level as a partner in my law firm, as a very meaningful partner in my law firm. um on behalf of his family, on behalf of his wife, his children, uh his parents, on behalf of
the entire Weiner Law Group family, we really appreciate this. I thought it was important for me to come uh and and say thank you. Um Ron gave a lot to all of his clients. Uh he and I spent more than a few hours discussing uh the city of
Hoboken and it and its various iterations over these years. Um, but he always kept his eye on the ball and he got amazing results. Um, I miss him really, really a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I don't really cry all that often, so you
know, that's about all you're going to get out of me on that one. Um, but the reality is that he really did care and he cared about the city a lot. Uh, and I think it came through in all the things that he did, uh, big and small. So on behalf of my law firm, on behalf of me
personally, I really really thank you and wish you all a very happy holidays. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you again. >> Have a good evening. Thank you, Mark. Do the same for you.
>> 17 by 17. Okay. Bottle of Telour do. >> Okay. Um on to I should announce the items on the agenda that will not be heard tonight. Um the first ordinance or
second reading B827 has been removed. A1 is removed. Uh CD5 is removed and T5.
Radar O'Reilly here is helping me. T5 is removed as well. Um, so we're going to start with B834. Is there a signup list? >> Yes, council president. Just before we start, I just want to I need a minute of
your time. >> Just that the certification of election from the municipal clerk, James J. Firina, certifying municipal runoff election held on Tuesday, December 2nd, 2025. certifying candidates. Mayor Elect Emily
Jabor, Council at Lodge Steve Firestone, uh, Council at Lodge Caitlyn Le, and Council at Lodge Joe Quantero. And also, I just want to just take a
minute to take uh thank my staff. takes takes months of preparation uh to put the put the election together and uh it just doesn't happen overnight.
And I want to thank uh my staff, Mary Beth, Alyssa, Mike, Joan, and many other employees in the city that help us put the the uh the election together. It's not it's not really an easy task. Sometimes we have
board members that uh don't pick up their uh election paraphernalia the day before. We have to deliver them to the polling places like 3 4:00 in the morning and we get that all set. But uh again, I want just want to thank them
because I think uh they deserve that. And a special thanks to my deputy clerk uh soon to be uh for his hard work coordinating his efforts with the board of elections, the county clerk, and the
superintendent of elections and putting everything together and organizing things with the school, the runoff elections, with the trailers. Everything went off without a hitch. And I want to thank him again and everybody that was involved. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Jimmy.
>> Thank you. Now with that we have a round of applause >> a hearing on an ordinance article 14 miscellaneous fees for online transactions. Uh no members well Patricia waiters did you have have you signed up for anything
in particular? uh is under ordinances there are you know there are there are eight ordinances one that is is being pulled >> uh I'll look it's not this one so we'll we'll see if the raises are one of those
I mean okay um anyway so no members of the public have signed up >> motion to close public portion >> second >> all those in favor >> I >> I Okay. Um, Mr. Fina, >> Council President, >> I'm sorry, Councilman Russo. >> Again, we talked about this at briefly
at the last meeting. >> So, we've been charging those fees since 2012 without any ordained and now we're trying to rectify that with this and in addition adding an additional fee on top of it. >> An additional 50 cents. 50
>> going from $2 to $2. >> $2 to$ 250. >> Yeah. I again, as I said at the last meeting, I I don't think my colleagues should vote for this. I'm going to be voting no. We've done something for
I mean over a decade >> without being ordained. I I I just I don't see how we continue to do things without going through the proper channel and then, you know, a decade later we want to kind of clean that up, sweep it under the rug. I don't
think we should do it. I think we should vote it down and I think we should um eliminate the fee. >> Thank you, Councilman. Anyone else? >> Yeah. Quick question. So, that that email wasn't confidential,
right? What you sent us with the numbers? Yeah, >> it was okay. Um, after reading that email, uh, I was quite surprised. So, in a roundabout way, uh, my concern comes
back for those past 10 years. Um, I'm going to guess that we have repeat users of our systems over and over and some more than others. My concern is uh uh that those past 10 years come and bite us in the tail, I guess, is the
easiest way to say it. So, uh but I also want to know is how many do we have any other um what's the word? any other uh sk uh any little hidden items like this sitting around with fees that we haven't
codified or that we haven't voted upon that we are have been charging that suddenly we just only found out because we saw that there was a number attached to it and it was quite substantial. Is there anything potentially I again I know you're you've been here for a shorter amount of time, but this is my
concern now that if we just found this um how many more little scary things are are uh kind of hiding in the woodwork here? >> The best I can tell you is the the administration is constantly in the process of auditing whether or not our ordinances are correct and we are trying
to right now update an error that we've found that needs to be corrected. Um, and absent that, no, there's nothing else that I'm aware of that we're charging for that hasn't been ordained. >> Okay. >> Okay. Mr. Fina, please call the vote.
>> Mr. Con, >> hi. >> Mr. Fischer, >> yes. >> Mrs. Imus, >> yes. >> Mrs. Jabor, >> yes. >> Mr. Presidento, >> no. >> Mr. Cano, >> hi. >> Mr. Ramos, >> hi.
>> Mr. Russo. >> No. >> President Doyle. >> I >> hearing on an ordinance adopting non distribution agreement between the city of Hoboken, Heritage Village of the Hoboken LLC and New Jersey Housing
Mortgage Finance Agency. >> No members of the public have signed a motion to close the public portion. Second, >> second I. >> All those in favor? I. >> Thank you. Uh this is with regard to
11th and Willow. >> Yeah. Yes. >> And it's a non-disturbance agreement relating to the the duration of the lease and what the parties uh are allowed the rights of the parties and this is
necessary for the the entity CIS CSI CIS to obtain a mortgage. Um, and so this anyway, anyone else? Uh, Mr. Pina, please call a vote. >> Mr. Con,
>> hi. >> Fisher, >> yes. >> M. Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jabbor, >> yes. >> President Xano, >> I. >> Mr. Cano, >> hi. >> Mr. Ramos, >> hi. >> Mr. Russo, >> hi. >> President Doyle, >> I.
Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 192 entitled parking for persons with disabilities to add a general parking space on Adam Street between 12th Street and 13th Street. Uh, Miss Waiters, I the only one that I
found that I think that you indicated is 8B 844. If there's something more than that that you'd like to speak on, you can let us know because I'm going to assume that's the only one. Okay. >> Okay. >> Motion to close public portion.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I uh Mr. Fina, would you please call the vote? >> Mone. >> Hi. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Yabore. >> Yes. >> Mr. Presidento. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano.
>> I. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Doyle. I >> or a hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 190-9 entitled stop streets designating to add multi-way stop
controls to the intersection of Adam Street and 11th Street Boomfield Street, Sixth Street, Branch Street, Second Street, Jackson Street, Fourth Street, and Jefferson Street and 9inth Street. Uh, no members of the P public have
signed up to public. >> All those in favor? >> Mr. Fina, please call a vote on B 841. Anyway, uh, Mr. Con. Hi. >> Fisher. >> Yes.
>> Mrs. Jabore. Mrs. I'm sorry, Miss. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jabore. Yes. >> President Xano. I >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle. >> I rub >> hearing on an ordinance of the city of
Hoboken approving an application for a long long-term tax exemption and authorizing the execution of a final agreement between the city of Hoboken and JB112 North North Urban Renewal LLC.
I let the record reflect Councilman Ruben Ramos has stepped out. Um Leslie Norwood. >> Thank you. Leslie Norwood will um just to be clear, my statements are made in my capacity as a private citizen and not
in my capacity as a board of education member. My statements are also not representative of the board or its individual members and solely represent my own opinions. I come to you tonight as the parent of two children in the Hoboken public school district and a Hoboken resident
for almost 30 years. And I would like to discuss the elephant in the room from the downstream effects of ordinance B842 and B843, the approval of the pilot tax exemption agreement on the property in the Northwest Development Zone. I
recognize and acknowledge the need of the council to approve the pilot. However, I feel the need to discuss these downstream effects. The ordinance approves 1,599 apartments. In those apartments, there
will be many children who will need to go to school in the Hoboken public school district, including those in the 123bedroom apartments and the 569 two-bedroom apartments. I want to discuss how this and other pilots will devastate the school system
through overcrowding and additional facilities needs um which are not going to be addressed here and the lack of additional tax revenue from these new facilities uh the new apartments. The Hoboken public school district is legally required to educate every
student that lives in town and would like to attend. Um, again, in just this one development, which is almost 1,600 apartments, there will be not a single dime going to the BOE for students in those apartments that will be attending the public schools. To account for the increase in students, the BOE will need
to increase its tax levy. The issue is who bears the brunt of this tax increase. In the case of a pilot, it is solely on the existing taxpayers. During the recent elections, virtually every candidate for city council and mayor brought up the concern about affordability and pledged to do
something about it. This ordinance will actually make it more expensive for existing taxpayers to stay in town because they and only they will be taking on the additional tax burden of the students in this piloted project and actually all the other piloted and non-t taxable uh properties in town as well.
The more significant problem here relates to facilities. We don't have the space in our schools to educate these additional children. Our student numbers are increasing because the quality of education and accident and excellent academic outcomes for the students keep increasing every year. The schools are
doing great and are a draw for people to move to Hoboken and stay in Hoboken. Four of our schools are at or over capacity including all of our elementary schools and our middle school. I mean anecdotally my seventh grader has over 70 kids in his gym class at the middle school and part of the gym is being used
for cafeteria tables. Closets have been made into classrooms. I could go on. Three of the buildings are over 110 years old. I understand again the city council feels the need to approve these ordinances and I'm not here to litigate that. What I'm here to say is as a parent and a taxpayer that the city has
created a foreseeable disaster for the public school district and it has a moral obligation to try to resolve the situation is created at least in part. The city controls the master plan. The city controls the redevelopment agreements. We live in a one square mile town and available properties are almost
non-existent. The body, this body approves the redevelopment agreements and redevelopment agreements after redevelopment agreements with no additional space allocated for schools and pilots that mean only those existing taxpayers are paying for all these new children in these new developments. And again, this problem is not just these
1600 apartments, but it's compounded by the 5 to 6,000 new apartments that have been approved over the past few years, which will bring hundreds of school children um that will uh necessarily need uh for the school district to have a new elementary school and a new middle
school. I urge you to consider this forthcoming crisis and commit to working quickly with the public schools regarding facilities and property tax fairness to try to avoid that from becoming a reality. Thank you very much for considering.
>> Thank you, Miss Norwood. Um, Rosemary Markle. >> Hi, this is for B842 and 843 and I'm also here concerned about these pilot payments. Um, I wish someone could explain to me how these are helping the taxpayers. I understand the city
collects all the money, but yet we still got a huge tax increase. without the schools getting their money. Within the past two years, we received a 25% tax increase for the school districts. Um, again, someone needs to explain to me how this is helping the taxpayers who live here. The and I believe within the
next two years, we will be paying more in school taxes than property taxes. And that's just absurd. What are we getting from these pilots? You need really need to consider why we're doing this and how it helps everyone. Thank you very much. That's for B48 842
and 843 to call Megan. >> Thank you Rose Marie. Um that's it for members of the public. >> Tony Tony I'm sorry. Thank you Tony. I'll put you down.
>> Appreciate it. >> I wasn't I wasn't going to speak on this. So I appreciate you. I just want to remind everyone when this development came before this before the zoning board many years ago, about 13 years ago, it was 200 apartments, a a Brooklyn bowl
style Brooklyn uh concert venue and bowling alley and a rock climbing gym. That was it. Zoning board voted it down, said it should be in redevelopment. Redevelopment automatically kicks things into the pilot payment process. There were other projects that came after this
project and got their pilots and got their approvals. This project was delayed, delayed, delayed, punted because of Union City back and forth and all kinds of things. The thousand or 1500 units are a byproduct of Hoboken
always messing up development. They messed it up when it came to punting the monarch and not voting it down originally within the 30-day process or having a hearing on it. And we're paying for that with massive projects on Observer Highway going up right now. Not criticizing the projects. I'm in
development. I'm a real estate agent. I like development when it's done right. This is an example that the actual the the the city was forced into this situation by its own mistakes. And we have to remember pilots are a nature of redevelopment. Pilots are a
byproduct of affordable housing, community givebacks, land that's given back to the city, and public easements for parks. That's why there's pilots. There's pilots at 770 house, too. So, yes, it's terrible. We also, the same developer owns a building, the one I
live in and I manage, that is not piloted, that pays full taxes and has probably 60% 80% of the apartments have children in the Wallace school. They love the school system. They love Wallis School. It's a selling feature of our apartments. So, you know, we're a victim
of our own success. And I agree with Miss Norwood. We need to start identifying land. Even if the city has to buy it and and lease it back to the board of ed for a dollar a year so they can have land, we need to do something. We can't have a fight over the high school again. We've got to do something. And I trust considering I met Emily
through uh MA mayor elect through board of ed things and and and many of the same people we support um in the education side of things that that will be addressed and I'm sure the whole council will address it too because I think everybody understands it. But this this thing about pilots versus
non-pilots, unfortunately it falls a lot on the school system because they're the ones that don't and the c I don't care about the county because we don't get anything we give them anyway. We really stink and we nothing comes back to us. Very little. Um except Columbus Park is really nice. But I just want to say
let's just remind everyone why we're here at this point. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Sorz. Uh no other members of the public have signed up to speak. Motion to close public. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I I
>> um tip Councilwoman Fischer. >> Yeah. Um, so I was on the zoning board and voted no. Um, on what Mr. Sorz just mentioned at the time. Um, what I would say is the reason why we're
here is not just because of that, but because we had actually had a project approved by this council and the mayor that was half the size and no and no um pilot attached to it at all. Um but
Mayor Bala wanted to avoid someone running against him in 2021. So he decided to break that contract with the developer and the developer sued and won. And after losing I think there were nine claims.
Uh the judge settled on four of those against the city of Hoboken. Um, we were the mayor negotiated a settlement and came before us instead. Instead of taxpayers having to pay a potential
damages claim of $50 to $100 million, he would like to us to approve a settlement that was effectively twice the size and would require this very long-term pilot. So, we didn't have a choice on this pilot tonight at all. This is part of that settlement. It was jammed down our
throat because the mayor chose his own political ambitions over the city of Hoboken, which he's done for eight years, and we couldn't be happier that he's leaving office. So, tonight, notwithstanding everything that said that um Leslie said, um is absolutely
true. These put a tremendous amount of pressure on our schools, this is a massive development. And by the way, developers did nothing wrong at all. I know them. Many of us are friends with them. They were dragged through the mud, treated completely unfairly, and this is where we are. And so, as a city, we do
need to think about how we're going to accommodate all of this population growth. We don't have schools right now. We're not incorporating schools into any of our plans. Um, we don't have recreation facilities. We didn't have 3,500, you know, uh, pickle ball players 10
years ago when we were putting all these plans in place. Those pickle ball players are competing for the same space that kids are. We have a real we have a real growth and space crisis and this is a great example of what bad development is and here we are. So, um just to be
clear, that's what is being approved tonight and um I never vote on these. Uh they have their five votes which they need to do um because a worse outcome is taxpayers having to have paid basically double your tax bill in one year because
of the nefarious acts of this mayor. So, just everyone should be clear that's why we're here. No one's approving this because we want it. It's being jammed down our throat and we have to. >> Councilman President Zano. >> Thank you, Council President. >> To speak for the whole council as well.
>> No, I will speak for myself. Um, I do want to address that uh this council does not take school space lightly. Uh I think every project that has been approached to me in ward one we have asked for school space uh hopefully down the road in the next
couple weeks or 6 months a year uh we will get some school space in the first ward. We will also actively work with anytime we hear that real estate is up for sale that we try to look at something where we alert the school. So
it's not as if we just sit up here and we ignore the school. just focus on city business. So, I just wanted to be clear with that for the public. That said, uh in this pilot, I believe um that most of the I think last year it was worked on
that once a pilot is approved a couple months later or a couple weeks later being it's the end of the year here that we will put forth um a resolution that we will set aside money to the school. uh and that is something that we all of
us on this council have have uh agreed upon and basically said that we would do that. So there is money coming back to the school, maybe not as much. However, we have done the best we can uh to understand that there are concerns in
our town. But I do want to reiterate that we are actively trying to help the board of education find space to make sure not only for district uh but the other schools that are also hurting for space inside the city that we are
consciously addressing that with every ounce of effort that we can put forth on that. So, I just want to make sure that the public understands that we're not sitting here silent uh and not not concerned about the needs of our of our children.
>> Council President, >> I'm sorry. >> Cohen's next. >> Thank you, Council President. Uh I was one of the voting commissioners who voted yes in 2014. I was in the minority in that group. Not only would it have been a much smaller number of units, but it also would have been a much lower uh
project. Uh my recollection is that we're talking about a 13story project, but the developer is willing to go down to 11 at the meeting where we voted it down. >> I think it was >> instead we're looking at something that's going to be about double the height of that. Uh number one. Number two, just because you repeat something
doesn't make it true. Um and uh there were a lot of reasons why getting along with our state senator made a lot of sense for the city. We just had a uh groundbreaking at Maritime Park which we're all really excited to be at and we
needed the help of all of our elected officials to lobby and help us in Trenton when we were fighting for our cherished waterfront which we're all really excited. We were all happy to be at the groundbreaking. Uh you know, you can put a terrible spin on anything you
want. Uh but the truth is is that uh you know Mayor Stack, Senator Stack was an important person and without his support we would not have had that groundbreaking uh which was a defining thing in Mayor Bala's administration for anyone who attended it. It was a joyous
event. We were all really excited about it and it's going to be a wonderful thing uh for all of us. Uh that's just one thing, but uh working with our elected officials and our representatives uh is smart and fighting
with them can be very counterproductive. So unfortunately the the litigation strategy didn't work. The judges didn't agree with our claims and we had to settle the case. And uh this is in my ward. I'm not happy that this is where we're at. I would have been a lot
happier if I had convinced a number of my colleagues on the zoning board in 2014, including Councilwoman Fischer to vote yes because we would not be here tonight if five members of the zoning board had voted yes in 2014. So I think it was only myself and Councilman
Defusco, former Councilman Defus who voted yes. We were the lone two yes votes. So there you have it. And I was accused of being too prodevelopment with that vote. So here we are today. Thank you, Council President. >> Councilman Russo. >> Thank you, Council President. And I just want to hit on one of the points that uh Councilman Presidento brought up. You
know, we set this mechanism in place for funding our school district through uh pilots and and we have that mechanism now uh that we could always fall back on. I guess the question I have is why haven't we prepared that so that members
of the public don't have to come to the microphone with some concern knowing that we're at least trying to fund it as much as possible at the same time as we're about to vote on that same pilot agreement. Right? So in other words, having both the pilot agreement on and
the allocation to our schools and our uh charter uh public charter schools as well all in one shot so that now there's not this anxiety being felt amongst uh members of the public knowing that some at least some monies is coming back to
the school districts. Uh is there any particular reason why we didn't do that? Was it just something that we didn't think about? And if that's just a simple case of we just didn't prepare it that way, can we change that into the future so that when we're voting on these pilots, we're already negotiating that
pilot uh payment breakdown and where it's going, how it's going to the public schools, the public charter schools, and anywhere else that we choose to send some of that pilot money. director, any any reason specifically why we didn't do that or can we do that
into the future? Any director? Anybody? I'll take it from anywhere. I Good evening, Councilman. Uh the reason why So, you're right. There's ordinance that needs to be um introduced
and adopted on second readings. So, it's two hearings. We did that um a few couple few months back. Uh the pilots that are on tonight's agenda are for block 112 north and block 106. Um the block 112 south
pilot financial agreement was adopted I believe in August and we subsequently introduced the school funding or school funding ordinance to add in the $250,000 >> um annual from that pilot after. But just where we are given in the year you
can't do anything on first reading tonight. Um, so it would be the first reading for that ordinance would be in in Jan in in January. >> Yeah. And again, I don't I don't have the I personally don't have a problem with the timing, but I think it helps for members of the public to know that we're voting on those pilot agreements.
There's something associated with it that it's actually going to the schools as well. That's the only point that I'm making. So into the future, hopefully we can make sure that we do that. >> It's just a procedural overlap just where we are in the year. >> Yep. But of course, >> appreciate it. >> That's all I had. Thanks, >> Cano. Thank you, Council President. Um,
I think there's a school of thought that some of us who had nothing to do with any of this, weren't on the zoning board, weren't on the council, weren't in government, should actually just abstain from this because Paul, Diane, me, we inherited this. Uh, but I'm pretty
sure the three of you, three of us are going to do the right thing. None of us want to do the right thing today, which is to vote in favor of this because it's a huge development that we frankly don't want. But it's what we have to do because the financial implications of not doing it
are far dire. So I I uh Councilwoman Fischer mentioned that we have our five votes. We likely do, but really we should have eight votes. And if you really don't want to vote yes for this, I urge you then vote no. I will be voting yes. And
and Councilman Russo to your point and I don't mean to speak for corporation council but there are issues related to you know a this council binding future councils as you are fully aware. So if we were to even if we passed an
ordinance that said going forward every pilot will have such and such a breakdown that the next council could just change that ordinance. So it was >> understood >> and and the an issue with this is that it's not a contract with the school district. It's you there's no
consideration. So the it's it's out of the large s of us. >> Understood. >> It's 770 for example. We we you and I were in the room back then that Joe didn't want to be in the room apparently. Um but you know it was there
was a decision made to make sure that the schools would make would be whole but if the subsequent mayor or the subsequent you know composition of this body said we're not going to do that anymore then it goes away. So y >> it'll be an interesting challenge to figure out how do you make that be
>> uh you know permanently memorialized in law. >> I appreciate it. >> Um M anyone else? Mr. Fina, please call the vote. >> Mr. 842, >> I Fisher, >> present.
>> Present. >> I got it. >> Mrs. Irish >> abstain. >> Mrs. Jabbor. >> Yes. >> President Zano. >> Yes. >> Dero. >> I
>> Mr. Ramos. >> He's outside. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. President Doyle >> I double >> Uh Jerry, could you go out and get >> Okay. All right.
>> You could some uh Eduardo, could you ask Ruben or let him know that we're >> Thanks, guys. >> Okay. So, uh, >> a hearing on an ordinance of the city of Hoboken approving an application for a long-term tax exemption and authorizing
the execution of a financial agreement between the city of Hoboken HWE urban renewal LLC. This one's >> I believe that the the two members that signed up for it said uh Leslie
uh and >> same >> Rose Marie are >> No, this is >> called them back prematurely. Jim, >> I I apologize, Reuben. I apologize. >> Sit there. >> I thought I was I thought this was HHA. I'm sorry. >> My headphones.
>> Yeah, >> I didn't I >> I think it won't be long. >> All right, R. Come on back. >> Um, >> is there a member of the public that would like to be added? >> I No. Okay. So, anyway, uh, Rosemary and
Leslie, you both indicated that you were not going to speak on this as well. You were speaking for both. So, with that said, uh, there are no members of the public who signed up to speak for 843. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I
>> I >> uh Mr. Fina, please call a vote. >> Mr. Col. >> Mr. Fischer, >> present. >> Mrs. abstain. >> Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes. >> President. >> Hi.
>> Mr. Canero. >> Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Mr. Russo. I >> President Doyle >> I >> hearing on. >> Yep. Now we can get back
hearing on an ordinance to amend and supplement an ordinance establishing a schedule of classifications and allocations of titles for the hearing mentioned positions in the city of Hoboken. Patricia Waiters
Can you put this down, son? Thank you. Patricia Ways, 15 church towers. Um, this is you for you, Mr. Cohen. Can you get Mr. Cohen? >> No, she's >> This is your resolution, your ordinance. >> All right. Could you give me a little
clarification? Is this new employees or employees that's already working? Um, and how is it going to impact the employees that's already working? I'm just raising a little concerns because of the just uh outcome of the last election and make sure this don't put no
impact on employees that's already employed in the city. >> Number eight, Mr. Cohen. >> Director this is related to >> compensation ranges for titles. It's not specific to
>> you're changing titles, but does this include money? >> It's adding two new position descriptions. the chief of administrative services and senior engineer. So, it's adding two new civil service titles. >> Two new and they from the civil service list >> and the majority the majority of hiring
everyone just creating the positions that can >> that's what I'm saying. But it's not going to affect the employees that's already employed in this. Okay. Thank you. No, >> let me I just want to finish by saying the majority of the changes in this ordinance are related to the resolution
of a u >> contract >> contract with our supervisors and that's the purpose the majority >> to reflect the negotiated settlement. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um great. So
>> we Oh, I'm sorry. Uh no other members of the public have signed. >> Motion to close public. >> Second. Oh, >> all those. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, well, you're welcome to come up regardless. Rosemary, >> I'm sorry if I missed you.
>> Can't >> I'll try to make it quick, but I have I have two pages. >> Um, I must admit this is better reading than the claims report. I see two new positions. Chief of administrative services. Wonder what that's all about. Like what we're the administrative of
another engineer. We already have six engineer positions that not even a 30-hour work week and most of the engineering jobs are outsourced to Michael Baker. Inquiring minds like mine would like to know why we have such a big engineering department if they just hire the other engineers. Salaries
ranging from 95,000 to 195,000. The administrative clerk for 40hour week. Um I'm curious about that one since city hall is only open for 9 to4. So when someone work 40 hours a week versus the regular administrative clerk, do they work from home? That's 125,000.
All these are up to what I'm saying here, not their make. Now, the cultural affairs department used to be one person. Now, it's an admin at 125 and a program development specialist for 98,000. Let's not forget that some of this department has been taken over by this scam business alliance. Most of
this is just two years of two events a year. the health department. We have an assistant health officer, a health officer, health aid, chief regulation environmental health specialist, registered environmental health specialist, registered environmental health aid, all ranging from 50 to
$153,000. And yet when we had a rat problem, they said they were short-handed and it was hard to go around and check everything. Customer service representative uh and a public information assistant. Isn't that the same as a constituent services? Just curious. That ranges from 65 to 80,000.
Graphic artists, we have one in two, 180,153. Do you still send things out or is everything done in-house for the graphic artist and why do we need two? Identification officer, I'd love to know what that is. Keyboarding clerk 1, two, three, and four. One is clerk typist,
one is a senior typist, one is a principal typist, and one is just a clerk. And number four, the one we're getting the raise to 87,000. A landscape architect for 100,000. Yep, that's another good one. management info system specialist, management specialist, park
naturalist. I'm I'm curious if all of these positions are filled and what they do. How would I go about finding out all their job descriptions? Then we have titles of assistant super under recreation, assistant superintendent, aid, leader, program coordinator, superintendent, supervisors, directors,
all from 53 to 170,000. And my favorite one is the water superintendent. Can anyone please tell me what that is? Um, we have chiefs, superintendents, admins, supervisors, coordinators, and seniors. I understand that all of these titles
may not be filled at the moment, but there is no need for such overlapping in job titles, nor should they even be on this chart. There is so there is probably so much more, but of getting a migraine. I was just curious as who is watching this in house. Taxpayer money doesn't grow on trees. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Miss Markle. Uh, no other members of the public have signed up to speak >> to close public portion. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Uh, anyone? >> I I just have one I want to just clarify
that those two new positions >> are because we had something mclassified or I think director Gonzalez had mentioned this to me. These are not new positions. It's somebody's doing this job. It was just mclass or I don't know if the right word's mclassified but
>> they were in the title but it was not correct in our salary ordinance. >> It was say it again. >> Jen might paraphrase this better than me but they were doing the work. They were in this title but we did not have it correct in the ordinance for the supervisory responsibilities that they have.
>> Could you get closer to the microphone? We're adding it to the ordinance because they're existing individuals in the title and we did not have them correctly classified. >> So there's no money changing. It's >> there's no new money. There's not new employees. We are correcting an error. >> Okay.
>> In this schedule of classifications. >> Another error. >> We cannot be perfect, but we can try to be good. Council >> President Councilman Russo. >> Thank you, Council President. >> I appreciate the way you're trying to position this, but the reality is we had
two employees working in a non-Ivil service title, which means they had no civil service protections, but they still had the ability to work in the city of Hoboken under that non-ivil service title. This to me is making sure that those
people we chose to hire with a non-ivil service title are now being protected with a civil service title as an outgoing administration is leaving and an incoming administration is coming in. That's the way I see this. Not that it
was an error and somebody who's been working without a title. when we hired those individuals, we hired them knowing we did not have those civil service titles on our salary ordinance. So, that was a conscious choice that this
administration made to pull those employees in and have them work for the city of Hoboken. Now, we're trying to change that and add them add the new titles into our salary ordinance so that they have the protections of a civil service position.
Did I get that wrong or is that accurate? >> I'm not going to try to opine on the veracity of your opinion. >> Yeah, that that's what I thought. Yeah, I I don't see how I don't see how we could continue to
talk about our financial situation in the city and now keep employees or protect employees that we have the ability to re-evaluate and or renegotiate
a different pay scale. Um, I don't think it's fair to the members of the public. I don't think it's fair to the incoming mayor. I think we should be looking at every possibility to save some money. And these employees may be
amazing and they may deserve a raise. I have no idea. But I don't think we should be doing that right this second and in our last meeting of the year before a new administration comes in into office. Uh that's my take on it. So
I will not be supporting this tonight. >> Council President. >> Yeah. Anyone else? >> Just one question. >> Sorry. Counciloman Fischer. What what is the the personnel off the one question I have I mean these are very high increases
um but the personnel officer range is 30 currently 35,000 to 113 and you're increasing that to 154 like what can you explain that >> I I think it's difficult for me to
explain that without discussing personnel matters which we would we would need to do in close session. >> I don't even I actually don't know who this person is. I'm just looking at the title and seeing a 40% increase in salary being proposed for the role. And
if it's an existing person that feels outsized >> I believe the employee would be identifiable by the conversation that Mr. Strat would have to have with the council. >> They would have session to discuss it.
>> So we'd need a rice notice to >> No. Or we can just >> Well, I mean >> Well, it's just >> we've already heard that a a range of pay does not mean there the pay that would be the pay. It's just >> I understand, but the range right now is 35,000 to 113
with an increase to 154. >> No, we all can do the arithmetic and understand. >> Yep. >> That just feels like something that merits a discussion. And we don't need to have
rice notices for public discussion. Just so we're clear, the law allows us to talk about in public and we're not talking about anyone by name because I mentioned I don't know who it is, but we're allowed to talk about things in public. What we're not allowed to do is
have closed sessions without a rice notice. We are allowed to talk about these issues in public. The It's been the policy or it's been the practice of this administration to constantly move us into closed sessions to not have public conversations. But everyone here
could Oprah all of this information. It is all opraable. It is all public. So I personally don't see the reason why >> schedule of classifications is operable. But >> actually >> when you get down into if
>> our f our dear friend our dear friend John Allen actually wrote a legal piece on what an actual race notice is and how it's not required for a public meeting. It is only required if you want to have a conversation about an employee, their
performance in private. You rice notice them and give them an opportunity to require a public meeting. We're not talking about an employee. We're literally just talking about what is a 40% salary increase between today and two weeks from now. >> You have that information. You know what
the salary? You can vote yes or no. But are you you're asking why is it that it was moved to that number or are you saying what is the number? You have the number. You see the number we're asking why is it a 40% increase and why is the range now 35,000 to 154,000. It's a
401,000 increase on a 113,000 maximum previously. The rest of them range between 3 and 7% increases averaging around four, right? But they're not all
they're not all what the contract is. They're some are seven, some are six. This one happens to be 35, right? These are salaries. They're not longevity. Can I ask a question? >> Uh, yes. >> My question is how were the ranges
established in the first place? Was it >> negoti >> was it was it based on >> I ask the business administrator but I I think >> you know there so um the answer to the question would be the individual is put
into this position current compensation was higher than the salary range in the ordinance and the purpose for the ordinance change is to reflect the compensation of that existing individual and have it reflected >> so the lowest the lowest number is what they're making already now.
>> No. >> Well, that getting >> according to what you just said. >> Not I don't know that answer to that question specifically, but I'm happy to provide it to the council. >> But the range does allow >> the range would allow for the person >> for someone to just walk in as council Russo was uh
>> alluding to that they could go up to the 154 range tomorrow >> if this passes. >> If if this passes then we could walk in tomorrow. You have you're making 113 was the max. to go to 154 tomorrow. >> Correct. >> If the sees fit. >> I think what he's saying is the person
who came into the role was making more money and they and they want to move their salary. They want to move they put them in a role that was only paying 113 and they want to accommodate the person by increasing the salary for it by 40,000 even though the role and the
prior person was only making 113. >> So So there I I think council president if I can. >> Yes. Um, I think we have two, Councilman Russo, I and and Councilman Ramos, I think we have two two issues here. We're
concerned about these positions that are being created, but then we also have a contract that's in there as well that we all voted on to approve. >> So, if we vote no, if we vote no on this, we hurt with that contract that we quote unquote approved, >> right? >> We would impact those employees. So I
don't know how if we can and again I'm going to ask maybe council president if you could tell me if there's questions here are these pieces that are in question can they be pulled from that and then we vote on the contract that for the employees that we approved >> they can't
>> or no >> no I mean the contract is done but if you're asking for a line item veto to go through this and >> well no I'm just saying like if we're going to vote on this we kill it but it's approved but >> but you you putting the you're putting the I'm sorry, council president, if I
may. You're putting the cart before the horse, right? So, when the contract was approved, >> it was approved at whatever the percentage was. Correct. >> Right. >> Again, that's our job. >> Yes. >> Okay. The administration's job is to
allocate in in individual employees in their roles and set the salary within the salary range that we set. >> Yes. The administration chose to move an employee from one position to another position. When they made that choice,
they did not look at the salary range for the current position that they want them in or the new position that they want them in. Excuse me. That is upon that is on them. They are now coming back to us to say, "By the way, we want this employee to
keep the the salary that they had because we're going to move them. We now have a choice to say yes or no to that." It's that simple. >> That's >> right. It's it's not again, the employee may be amazing. They
may deserve $180,000. I don't know because I don't know who the employee is. But at the end of the day, the administration made a choice to move an employee into a salaried position that was maxed at $113,000. That was their choice. And that was the
employees choice to actually move. They should have been well aware of that before that move happened. But if we wanted to, so >> if we wanted to, we could make a change, >> vote on it in first reading and vote second on January 5th because we have a
>> You can't do it. You can't you can't do anything first reading end of the year, >> but we have the same we have the same council voting until January 5th. So we technically can. >> Oh, January 5th. >> Yeah, we have that meeting on January 5th if you wanted to do it. So >> it has to be within the calendar. You has to be within the calendar year. It's
not >> first and second question as to whether that's accur >> in Jersey City. They don't do it because they have the same council for four years. They constantly It's not a calendar year. >> We have we have the same council for two years. >> Thanks. >> Right. So for two of the four years in
the world of cycles, there's no change in the composition of this body. >> Just the way we've done it. >> But that's the way we've done it. I I thought um Caleb said or director um Stratton said that
this represented the new superior contract, right? But is it but clearly it's not just it's not >> there's two additional titles and the superior's contract. >> So every other change on here is someone
that is subject to the superior's contract. The title is within the superior's contract. >> Got it. >> I think we're saying the same thing. >> We have to these two titles in the contract. >> Can I ask the question? Do we have to settle this today with respect to the
contract? Is there harm in kicking this to the next session? >> My understanding is finance will not uh implement the raises without an ordinance. So that's the harm I'll call it. It'll slow it down by two weeks,
>> but it gives us time to do the diligence. >> But you can absolutely do the diligence. It's the two weeks is not the end of the world. Back pace and no one will be hurt financially. >> Presumably, even if this were approved in the next session, it could be retroactively applied if there were >> always retroactively applied. So
financially, no one's ever hurt. >> So why don't we just carry this to the next session so that >> it's not huge changes. >> I'm sorry. I mean it gives you all the benefit to get the additional information that you need >> session. You mean >> in terms of the next council >> January 15th? >> After January 15th?
>> Well, you could do the January 15th or you could do the as I believe Councilwoman Fischer was saying, you could do the you could amend it tonight if you want and do the second reading at the next meeting or you can have it completely reread at the next meeting and then read again. I think there's enough time between the next two
meetings. We have two special meetings. >> There's two meetings. >> I know. But but 23rd and the one is already published to it on the 23rd. >> The amendments are making subtractions, not additions. Correct. >> The amendments are making subtractions. >> So that we're not making a huge change
in that. If if we're making additions, I would say yes, we'd have to go back to first reading. We're making subtractions. >> So I don't think we have to go back to first reading. We're just making a subtraction. They would revisit those three titles. It would be a substantial change because certainly at a minimum the people who you're subtracting might
want to come here and say something. >> Correct. >> So they would want to know. So that's one of the reasons why you titled it substantial people. >> Correct. >> Those people say I wouldn't have voted on first reading for this if it that wasn't included. So it's substantive to
me. I would just >> hypothetically >> I'll wait till >> So >> who's who's uh who's is it? So, Caleb, if uh director, if it's
if it's carried, it it it's done until January 15th. And I'm asking you other and I'm not making it dismissing it lightly, but that means the harm
would be a delay in I I thought I heard that that someone might be already exceeding the 113. So would that >> well that's that's almost a separate issue. Those are the the employee that's fixed. You have the other union contract involved in here and the union contract
as indicated will be a delay in implementing the raises. There's back pay would still be given at if we push the vote we may very well it may fail >> but but that's not accurate council president that no >> the fact the fact that someone was moved
into a title with a lower pay was a choice by two individuals. the we'll use the mayor as the administration here and the employee themselves. They both have to agree on that move. When they agree on that move, there is a title and a
salary range associated with that. They are agreeing to that change when they move. Now, I don't know what was said. I don't know what was promised. I don't know how that conversation went. But the reality is when an employee is
moved to a new title, they are not just moved willy-nilly. There has to be a conversation there. If they choose to go into that new title, there is a salary associated with that title. No one should be be no one should be
paid above and beyond the salary ordinance. If in fact someone is being paid above and beyond the salary ordinance, >> the administration is in breach. They should not be doing that. We should not be allowing that.
That's that's the way this works. Now, again, practically, I'm sure there's been conversations. Hey, look, we can move you. This could happen. I'm sure the council would have no problem. But the reality is right now, it looks like the council has a problem. >> So, that shouldn't happen until the
actual ordinance change. So if someone has to go back to their original title in a different position, so be it. That's not incumbent upon the council. That's incumbent upon the mayor and the administration. So this individual who may be being paid above and beyond $113,000
could very simply go back to the title that they were in before and still receive their pay. >> No one will be no one will be reduced in their pay. >> President, so I'm the >> just my just my two cents. So then we should just take the >> I'm the sponsor. Uh I think but I'm fine
with carrying it to January 15. >> Yes. So >> thank you. >> Okay. >> Where were we? >> Public comments and resolutions. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we're at uh public comments on resolutions.
These are comments on matters that are on the agenda that will be heard tonight. Um, and when I say matters on the agenda, there are there are no first reading. So, it will be all resolutions since we've already concluded with the
ordinances for second reading. Uh, Rosemary Markle, you've signed up for one, two, three, four, five, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 resolutions, >> right? But five was pulled, right? CD5 was pulled. >> Uh, >> no,
>> CD5 was pulled >> and something else. I think >> five was pulled and A1 was pulled. >> T5. >> T5 was pulled and A1. >> So, I will cross that out. I'll make it quick. >> Certainly has seven minutes. >> No, I'll be quick. >> Okay. A4. Um, this individual was hired
was appointed as the public safety department senior public information assistant in 2023. Um, does she still hold that this position as well as the ABC board secretary? Just curious. C4, my favorite. Is this where Yogi and Boo Boo get hired now with the forestry
division? And can someone tell me where the forest is in Hoboken? CD 1, 2, 3, and four. Again, it's about the pilot, so I don't need to say anymore. T4 under this contract will be paying this company $14,000 for mileage. Who
negotiates these contracts? If they applied for a job that is over an hour away, they should pay for their own mileage, not the taxpayers footing the bill. Whether it's a bond or not, we still foot the bill. Uh T6, the hop assessment. Um you know, rumor has it that this is a bike advocate. And I have
lots of issues with this. Mind you, I don't have a car. I don't ride a bike. I use my feet. god-given transportation. Is this really the best we can come up with that someone who is looking to get rid of cars? This bike is something that seniors need and lots of people use it. And under there they say we need to do
some marketing. Why do you need marketing when they say rider share is up? You know, makes me think and wonder. I guess this is somebody somebody that's going to get this position. I hope you reconsider that. Thank you. >> Thank you,
Chris Day. Hello. >> Hello. >> My name is Chris Craig Day and I'm the artistic director and residence at Mile Square Theater. I'm here to speak on behalf of the board of trustees of Miles Square Theater. Board President
Antuchelle who previously attended the first reading could not be here in person. Mile Square Theater located at 1400 Clinton Street has been a presence in Northwest Hoboken for nearly 10 years. We've been delighted to work alongside
great neighbors like the Gravity Vault, Carpedium, Bu, and Hudson Table. In the past few years, we welcomed a farmers market and the very popular pickle ball courts to our neighborhood. Northwest Hoboken is thriving. We are excited for
our neighborhood to meet its full potential and have a more welcoming and inviting gateway to our city. Tonight, on behalf of Mile Square Theater Board of Trustees, I am here to urge you to vote yes on the Rockefeller development
agreement. This partnership will bring new residents and additional commerce to our neighborhood. We are eager to welcome the additional foot traffic and commercial venues to Uptown Hoboken. We look forward to partnering with Rockefeller to provide
residents with opportunities to experience live theater, music, gallery shows, and more. Thank you to those voting yes tonight on second reading. >> Thank you. Um, Alan Barry,
>> all three of you are named Alan Barry. No, >> Alan. That's Barry and I'm Alan Barry. >> No, it's fine. You guys are >> We're all North End group. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Jamie, you want to go over? >> Uh, sure. Uh, >> also here to kind of reiterate that I missed her name, but um, some of the
comments made >> Craig and D. >> Thank you. uh regarding the Rockefeller Group's uh development of the North End. Uh my name is Jamie. I'm an employee of the Gravity Vault rock climbing gym at the north end of town. Um and reading in response to the CD number four.
Basically, my boss, Lucas Kavalsic, was here at the first reading and voiced his concerns. he could not be here uh this evening. But basically, I'm here just to coordinate with the other fifth W business owners um who have been in communication with Councilman Cohen regarding a lot of the uh disruptions to
our businesses um and the significant uh you know, basically loss of revenue and customers that we've had due to major construction uh erroneously uh uh permitted park no parking zones uh that
have basically left our customers and residents the inability to basically be in the north end of town. Um we want to make it clear that we are excited uh for the development at the north end of town. We know that it's been a long time
coming, very long debated. Um, but we also want to make it clear to the council this evening that uh without a vote yes for the Rockefeller's agreement to help also create parking uh temporarily while they develop the other lots uh that we feel that we may not be
in business at the end of this construction to enjoy that for the north end of town. And I feel that uh my fellow business owners and neighbors Allan himself is a resident of the same building. um feel that way. Um it's our
opinion that for the Gravity Vtor, not just a business um but a cornerstone of the north end of town for the residents um to recreate, challenge themselves physically and mentally, socialize in an inclusive environment. Um
teenagers work their first jobs with us. College students help pay and support their tuition by working with us. They also recreate with us. Um, so as a community center, not just a business, uh, we would like to be there at the end
of this construction in the number of years to come. So we appreciate your vote on Yes. for this reading. >> Thank you. Uh, could you >> He's going to speak to >> Can you tell us your name or do >> you want me to Yes. My name's Alan Barry.
>> You're Barry. >> Alan Barry. Alan Barry. >> His name on the record. What's your name? Oh, you're you're on here. Okay. Okay. Yep. Okay. Thank you. >> Didn't you listen to them? >> We didn't >> we didn't uh we didn't do a good job coordinating, but um I'm Alan Barry. I
am the owner of Hudson Table. I'll try and uh cut out some of this since it might repeat, but I've lived in Hobok in 19 years. I've owned Hudson Table 11 years. Um you know, a bunch of us uptown have obviously been been in touch with uh uh Councilman Cohen regarding the
impact of the the construction up north. Um but obviously uh we not obviously but we are very much in support of this project by the Rockefeller group. Um the north end has been large plots of rubble since I've lived in Hoboken which is nearly two decades. Um and lately as
Jamie said I live above Hudson Table. So I live on 14th and Clinton. Um, I literally look out at bulldozers all day and um, uh, obviously that's with the infrastructure upgrades of the sewer system, but um, we're all seeing our visitors decrease. People don't even
know how to get to Hudson Table, which 11 years ago was not a thing. Um, they don't know how to locate us. People from out of town, even people, uh, newer residents in town don't even know how to find us. Um, with that being said, uh, the 275 municipal spots that are going to be a part of phase 1 of this project
are a lifeline that we desperately need. Um, the Rockefeller group has been nothing but amendable to ideas and solutions to try and help the, uh, be a good neighbor and come up with uh, solutions to problems uh, in the area that actually aren't even problems they created. They're actually from other
developers in the area. Uh, but we've been in touch with the Rockefeller group and they've offered to uh do uh 50 parking surface lot um next to the soap factory. I forget what plot that is. Um and that >> 6A. Thank you. Um those 50 spots are
essentially a lifeline to bridge us to phase one, which will be those 275 parking spots. With that being said, I implore the city council to uh approve this um you know, and prevent any more delays because we do need a spark uptown. And I think uh the faster we can
get this started, the the sooner it can get done and the sooner we can get all of the parking we desperately need. Thank you very much. >> Thanks and congratulations on your Hoboken Girl award. >> Oh, thank you. >> Okay. And your >> So my name is So
>> So my name is Yash Patel from Hudson Dispensary 15th and Grand. I'll keep it short. Uh >> spell your first name. >> Y Ah. >> Okay. Thank you. you're skipping the line, but we'll we'll it's fine. Just >> Yeah, I'll just keep it short. Uh just
um pretty much everything my colleagues have said are uh pretty much what we align with and just number one, just want to say it's been six months. It's been fantastic just shaking hands with the residents of town and the business owners of town and look forward to this
next chapter of the developments. and thank you so much for just taking time listening to us and our concerns and uh taking some action with that and thank you. Good night. >> Thank you. Um Mark Reco,
>> good evening council. I'm glad to be here. This has been a long journey uh up to this point and it's great to be in front of you. Um, I would first uh with your indulgence like to read a statement from the housing authorities um chairperson and vice chair that wrote a
comment that would they asked me to read into the record. Dear council president and honorable members of city council, uh we are writing to respectfully urge you to support and pass the resolution before you this evening as it directly impacts the residents of the housing authority and the future of affordable
housing in our community. And by the way, I believe that's CD8 regarding a preliminary approval um for um our partnership to be developer on our properties. Passing this resolution will allow this critical process to move
forward, ensuring that we can begin and continue the work of building safer, higher quality homes for families who rely on the housing authority. For many residents, this represents more than construction. It represents dignity, stability, and the opportunity for an
improved quality of life. Our residents deserve housing that is secure, modern, and reflective of the value they bring to this city. Advancing this resolution is meaningful step toward addressing longstanding housing needs and demonstrating a commitment to equity and
community well-being. We respectfully ask that you consider the positive lasting impact this decision will have on the families, seniors, and future generations who call our city home. Thank you for your time, your service, and your
continued commitment to the residents you represent. Respectfully, Barbara Reyes, chairperson of the housing authority, and Erica Sitesman, vice chairperson of the housing authority. And now to put on me executive director's hat, I would like to not only
echo what they say, but I would like to thank you all so much for this long journey. As some of you know, we've been at this for years. Uh we've gone through this process with you and much of the community uh with our strategic plan and then our redevelopment plan. Some of you
have been our board. Some of you, many of you have been to our meetings and been along with us. Um this preliminary approval for the Hobok Hoboken Forward One urban renewal
associates limited partnership which is a 5050 partnership between the housing authority and a developer. So there's no majority vote here by a developer. We are a full partner here which is huge.
It gives the housing authority also that next step into the development and into our future. It is regarding our very first building which would be on the parking lot at Harrison Gardens approximately 165 units. Um again we appreciate all of your support. Um and we will continue continue to be
transparent and continue to move on from here. So thank you again for your consideration. Thank you. You >> um Patricia waiters Patricia 15 church towers. You ready?
Um, I'm going be speaking on the certification of the elections and number eight, >> the job positions. >> Which number eight, Patricia? >> Salary is that we >> on the back page two, the top number eight
>> and CA5 and CA6. I didn't hear Oh, you didn't get to that yet about the cameras, right? >> No. CA5 CA6. >> Yeah, she's not speaking on the ordinance. >> You voted on the cameras already?
>> No, no, no. This is your time to speak. >> So, I don't want to lose my chain of door here. All right. Just these numbers got All right. Out of all of this, I I don't think I met with you, Mike, but I'll text you a couple of times. I think it's very important to place this on the record with the certification. Nothing
against you, Mr. Fina. You our clerk for you put the first brick in this building. I just want this placed on the record because I adopted the name the ugly election from Jersey City this morning from um Solomon and uh another councilman over there, I adopted the ugly election. But anyway, with the
election being certified, I thought me being a mayor candidate out of six of us that ran for mayor, true story, when I picked up my petitions May 2nd and knocked on doors, I want all of the people now know this, every resident that live here, doors were slammed in my face. They said, "I don't want none of
y'all. All six of y'all running. We don't want nobody." Okay? So, we went on and we had this ugly election. Right? So, what I'm here to say tonight, we got a lot of bitter sweetness out of this. And at the end of the day, I wanted to be the bigger person. Emily, I know you going crazy with all them texts. I text
you. I reached out to everybody else cuz I felt that was the right thing to do. But I had to read Paul's respond that I got yesterday. Yeah. You, this you, Paul. See, just real quick what you >> Oh, that one. Yeah. My email
>> and picture of mayor elect uh Jabbor and he said, "Waiters in elections, you win some and you lose some, but this issue facing our city don't change. What matters is continuing the work and showing up for the residents." Okay, perfect. Perfect. I don't want you just to say this with your mouth and then
behind closed doors you said, "Well, I try. I don't got the five votes." Okay. I'm saying this tonight to say you are the bigger person. Even though you wasn't the candidate and whoever you support, I hope they think like you because at the end of the day, we all still have to live here. We have to protect and respect each other
regardless to what the outcome was. And me, I'm very disappointed. Very disappointed, but I refuse to retaliate. When I worked the elections and seen such a small turnout and found out later that most of the elections, most of the people, the residents that voted sold
their vote again. HHA do me dead on the bus. And the very next day, everybody called me Patricia. Guess what happened? I don't want to hear it. You know why? You know why this hurt? This one hurt even bigger. Dawn Zimmer sat right there. A lot of you not. And she said,
"No more runoff. The runoff had ruined our town. Frank Graa went to jail. Nobody wanted runoffs cuz people was buying and selling their votes." And guess what? Rewind 15 years later, the same thing happened this election. And it bothered me. It bothered me because
you looking the opposite way taking a known disregard on an elect. Mike, I would still be crying on an election that could have went a very different way if we didn't have the runoff. Now we spent taxpayer money. We got conquer and divide. We got people walking the street
angry, going crazy. Instead of saying, "Okay, let's put it back like it was." We made a mistake. We human. We make mistakes. What we should do now is think about what we going to do moving forward. And I'm asking again for each and every one of you, the candidates,
your our opponents, whoever, embrace Mr. Congratulations again. And let's get this town back where we want it. We the people, okay? In spite of the way the election went again. Put that behind us. Let's use our energy moving forward. And I'm asking respectfully, please, because
we all deserve a quality of life. We all deserve to utilize our public schools. We all deserve to live here, okay? Dramafree, okay? >> I'm gonna miss you, Mr. Council President, because you're the first one ever stand here and give me my whole five minutes. I start thinking y'all was
like putting me down to three and Mike cutting me off, but no, but I really want to thank you. I'm going to miss you. And guys, again, please think about it. We all still going to live here unless you move in and I'll see you later. Let's work together as one team. And thanks for your response, Paul. I
didn't read your whole letter, but thanks. >> Thanks, >> thank you, Patricia. >> All righty. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um, Kevin Davis, >> with a bag, >> right? It's like a box of chocolates
with Kevin Davis. You don't know what you're going to get. But I think you have some idea today because I had a great, in my opinion, oped in the Hudson County View. I think one of those lies you guys tell yourself is you don't read my opeds. I know you guys do. So, see I
see Jim shaking his head. Um, also saw him biking on the sidewalk earlier. Come on, man. Um, oh yeah. So, >> throw me under the bicycle. Thanks. >> Oh, that's a that's a Kevin joke. >> Yeah. So, um, you look and there's a study for the hop and I think if you
guys pass it as is tonight, it is going to be a hop study. HOP, a highly opinionated proposal. And why is that? Because I read the documents and I looked to see who was on it and who is a principal in charge of the study, a man named Clayton Lane, who is one of the
founding Bike Hoboken trustees. Now, Bike Hoboken advocates on transit issues. They advocate on bikes. So, how is this supposed to be an independent study when the guy who's running the study >> is he's getting paid
um to do analysis on it, but then he's part of or was part of an organization that is. Now, I did my oped there was some scuttle bit out there saying it was misinformation. They need clarification that Kevin Davis wasn't telling the truth. That he's no longer involved.
I'll let you be the judge of that because I have some photo evidence from 11 days ago from the Ron Batista Instagram. Now, of course, the first thing you notice is Ron. He's a good-looking guy and he's the closest to the camera. Uh
he's trying to get exposure out there. He's run for office four times and lost. He thinks the fifth time maybe he'll win. What do I know? I've run for office once and I won. So, I'm less experienced at that. So, you look, you see a bunch of bus advocates and they had a
advocates meeting on fast and reliable buses on JFK Boulevard. Yes, that's Jersey City. A great place. And who was one of the advocates? Someone who looks just like Clayton Lane. Now, he may have an identical twin. He may have a doppelganger. I mean, people stop me on
the street all the time and say, "Hey, can you give me an autograph? I really liked your work on Seinfeld." And say, "Sorry, I am not George Gestanza. Just because I look like him doesn't mean I am." But I'm pretty sure it's him. And this was 11 days ago and he's in a meeting with bus advocates and we're
about to hire him to be well, if it passes tonight, we're about to hire him to lead a study for $55,000. Um, so why not if if we're going to do a study, why not have them completely out of it, you know, because how's the study supposed to be independent? Because I
already have concerns about the Kimley Horn study because I don't think that was independent. He in fact he was one of the three signers to the letter that you guys got advocating for bike hobok and Hudson County complete streets's priorities on that policy including my
favorite their idea to raise residential parking rates 330 uh%. Um and from what I hear he was the one who wrote the letter even though he's one of three signers. So if you're all about transparency, which I hear the the
big buzzword, then why don't we have people who have no relationship to Hoboken whatsoever on it. Now the other question is, do we even need a study? We have a transportation department. Well, at least I think we do. Maybe they should rename themselves to BH DOT, the Boooken
Department of Transportation. Um, but we have a transportation department. We have phone a friend because we have the contract with a former transportation director. We also had another the homeboy hookup with Ryan Sharp. Um I think that contract's still active even
though he hasn't been doing work for the city. So we have all these resources. Why do we need another one? And it just happens to be someone who's very close with Boen. But oh no, apparently I'm telling lies and he isn't. And apparently I'm just imagining this photo from 11 days ago with him at a at a bus
advocates meeting. And apparently, I'm just imagining that he showed up to the party in the bike lane on Grand Street. Um because they they did a party to celebrate the Grand Street protected bike lane 4 days after the election. And who knows, maybe they want to punish the people that live there because they
voted for the losing mayoral candidate. Uh I actually like the bike lane. Okay, I'm going to probably get chased out of town for saying that, but I like it. I use it to get here tonight. I want to see it get adjusted. Oh boy, I heard some rumbling from the audience. But I think it's very immature to just have a
party, throw it in people's face that here is something that was done without their input. Bike Hoboken got their say, but the people who live there didn't because they only care about your opinion if you agree with theirs. So vote no on this contract and let's get
started on something better. >> Thank you, Mr. Davis. No other members of the public have signed a motion to close public portion. >> Second. >> I. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> council members for uh consent.
>> Work to be pulled from consent. >> I have a bunch. >> Excuse me, counciloman. >> She has a bunch. >> Um A3 Oh, sorry. A3 >> A3 >> A4
CD1, CD2, CD3, and CD4. or they can all go at the same time. They're the Rockefeller redevelopment agreements. >> Um or I'm okay if they go all together. Uh CD72 and T6.
>> Yeah. >> T6. >> T6. >> Yeah. >> Others >> T7. Oh, CBA. >> Yep. Claims. Oh, sorry. Claims >> Yeah.
>> Who pulled CD8? >> CD8 is Yes. B. >> Yeah, >> I got another one. >> Uh, I was eight. Well, >> T7, I believe. >> T7. Yeah.
>> Okay, Mr. Pina, we're pulling claims A3, A4, CD1 through 4, CD7, CD8, CL2,
T6, and T7. Everything else, call the vote. >> Mr. Con. Hi >> Fiser. >> Yes, >> Mrs. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes, >> President Zano.
>> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle. >> Hi. >> We'll start with claims. >> Claims you go first. >> Councilman President,
>> I I'll defer quickly to >> Yeah, I had a question on it as well. and it's not something that's on it, but we saw there was a post on LinkedIn um about I think our city engineer and our uh interim director of HPU I think going
to Saudi Arabia for a conference and just want to know if that was paid for any of it was paid for by the city. I didn't see it on claims this time. Um >> that was funded by the conference sponsor. >> So we're not paying anything. No reimbursements for anything.
I haven't gotten an invoice or reimbursement for anything yet, but if they took a cab to the airport or they had a meal before they left that potentially could be reimbured. It was an approved travel item. Um, >> I I think that's the point is I don't
think that taxpayers would be supportive of any kind of expenses relating to two members, two employees of city hall going to Saudi Arabia for a conference for their just because they'd like to go. So, I just would hope that none of those
>> that was not the case. They were invited. >> Oh, no. I understand they're invited. I understand conference. >> It's an extraordinary honor to be 100% 100% 100%. It's an honor. Taxpayers shouldn't pay for it flat out. Period. In my opinion,
>> so I hope I hope not to see that on claims going forward. >> Councilman Preszano. >> Thank you, sir. >> Um I see the fee for Stevens Park for the geese police 25322
of 172889. Um I have a question. I've got complaints coming in. I know I talked to director about um the geese and they become absolutely a menace to Pier A and to the point where people are just not even
going to pure A because it's um it's a massive issue. But I mean if we're paying the geese police $1,700 28 I think I've seen the same problem in Steven. So, I've said this before. Uh, we may have to look at either new geese police or we need to come up with a new
way to take care of this uh the geese feces because it's just it's worse than dog feces because the dogs eat this stuff. Kids pick it up. It's on your shoes. You track it in your house. Bird flu. That's
the last thing I'll say. Bird flu. All right. So, I have people that are complaining left and right on pure that we have a problem. I know in Stevens we have the same problem. I also know our population has increased. I grew up with geese. I live near a lake. I played sports in the fields. I basically got
tackled on geese poop and you basically, you know, you got sick from it. You got infected. But this is people stepping on things now. So, I think with our population getting bigger, we need to look at something to help mitigate this problem. I don't know what it is because I'm not an expert, but this is a growing
issue. I do know geese like squirrels uh they tend to always come back to where they were born. So, this is a more difficult issue to face, but going into the spring, we have a whole bunch of time to think about this that we need to come up with a very cohesive plan. Uh,
and I don't know if in the north end of town on on uh the waterfront if they've done a better job, but downtown it's not been great because I I think director can there's several times I've called her we have to basically powerwash. So, it's extra work. We have to power wash
the walkways uh going with there. So, I just want to bring to the attention that I don't think we're getting the value for our money with the geese, please. Um, it's more of a statement, not a because we don't vote on these are already paid. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you, Councilman. Uh, we I don't Do we have to vote on it? >> Yeah, we do vote on it. >> We vote on it. >> So, >> but but you're right. It's kind of after the fact. >> Yeah, it's it's >> uh Should we vote on claims, Mr. Fina? Okay. Ready?
>> Yep. >> Mr. Con? >> Hi. >> M. Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Imus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes. >> President. >> I. For everything except the geese, please. >> Mr. Cano. >> I. >> Mr. Ramos.
>> I. >> Mr. Russo. >> I. >> President Doyle. I A3 which is a resolution authorizing the city of Hoboken to enter into the attached MOA with the Hoboken Fire
Officers Association local 1078. Uh this would be Councilwoman Fiser. >> Yeah. So, through my colleague, um, Councilman President Zano, who I know had been
asking for the numbers behind this, it's a six-year contract. Um, the city council actually wasn't provided with the financial impact to the budget, we know, until about 15 minutes ago. So, sitting here, he got
an email and shared it with me. Um, I'd be curious, uh, what, you know, everyone, every other council member thinks about just approving a contract blindly for
six years that has a 7% annual increases to the salaries. Um, that has rippling effects to the steps. Um, and just, you know, we're we're we know next
year's a huge budget. I I know that our fire um our firefighters have been without a contract for two years, as have the municipal employees have been without a contract. It's the last week in December. We're we have a new mayor coming in who's about to take on, you
know, the monumental uh effort of having to navigate through next year's budget. And you know, we weren't given any financial numbers. And the numbers are not small. They're not a big number for uh for this year, but they are, you
know, a million dollars two years from now. a million dollars in and of itself, just a million dollars is a 2% is roughly a 2% uh tax increase. So, um or or 1 and a.5% tax increase just that
just that contract. So, um it just feels like this is something that our next mayor should negotiate and agree um and it should be done and the city council should have more transparency and be actually given the financial impact
given, you know, the the challenges that we had last summer. Um I would love to see this delayed um and this vote taken on similar to what we talked about earlier, January 15th or even beyond into February. um and not commit to a
six-year contract. Typically, you know, we we I think we did a three-year contract for the police superiors after we did a ridiculously expensive um contract for the PBA uh earlier this year. Um I just feel like we need to
have more discipline and we need to be more thoughtful. Um and we need to have contracts that have we've contemplated like healthcare costs. We know healthcare is a huge issue. We've already locked in eight years with one of our police contracts. We have a three-year contract that gives us more
flexibility to have a conversation with our employees. We're being asked to lock into a six-year contract. It's not just salary increases. It's everything in a in an employment contract. and it really takes away from our next mayor's ability to think about health care costs in
particular and figuring out a way to partner with our employees to bring those costs down not only for employees but for um our our taxpayers. So I just I this just feels not right um given that we weren't given any numbers uh
until um Paul demanded it and didn't get it until 10 minutes ago. So, um, I'd love to see this be pulled by the sponsor. Um, if not, I will be in no vote tonight. >> Thank you. Uh, >> Councilwoman Immus, are you?
>> Um, I would just say that, yeah, having just received this literally 30 seconds ago, I don't feel comfortable voting on this at this point. >> It was online. It was It was in a cellar. Not the >> no percentages percentages were
>> but not the financial actual financial impacts for pension medical and everything else >> which you asked for as a >> I asked for I asked for yesterday I said all the contract increases to kind of just get an idea of what it looks like. I mean the road work the road map of
this is actually crazy but again majority of us have voted up here to approve this stuff. But that said the firemen have not had contracts for two years. I absolutely understand that and I absolutely don't understand how an administration can't have contracts
in my everybody tells me the the private sector and the public sector two different things but I can tell you in the private sector if you don't have a contract you don't walk in that door so I and I know they can't walk away because they're essential services however that's just bad business and on your way out you jam all these contracts
in the last 6 months but that said um as I look at this it would nice that we find out that this is on the agenda on Friday >> and then we have to make a decision. When we had the police, >> we went back and forth. Yeah. We went
back and forth and we held it and it took us about a month to get through that because we had to start >> pecking away at the numbers. And it's not just like, oh, look at the numbers. That's great. If I'm going to talk about a two or four million dollar increase. I I have a big question. Why are we backloading it? Frontload it. Get it
done now. because I'm looking at some numbers that I got here. I asked for all the increases across most of the unions excluding the the um city workers. Our backload in 2026
um roughly on this it's 2.5 million plus >> plus the year >> uh plus the year well the year before is only 350,000. Like I'm just throwing that out the window because it's under a million. But in 2026, uh, an increase of 2.5 roughly 20 2027
4.1 2028 3.7 here comes the doozy. 2029 5.230 5.8 2031 7.4 and 2032 8.4 we start in the hole. I am happy to pay people. However, when we have numbers like this,
everything is backloaded. So it whales us all at once. I I am looking at something where I'd rather see it a bit frontloaded. So in contract negotiation, I'd rather see it pulled forward for the contracts now to spread this out because this is going to be unmanageable by the
time we get to if any of us are up here still. Um are going to struggle to do this. Jim's not here. Yeah. Um but again, I I'm I'm being asked to vote on something in 10 minutes or 15 minutes. I can read
percentages, but it's not as if my data is 100% up to date that I keep track of this all the time. I'm happy to approve contracts, but I have to have the information. I'm doing this service to the community if I don't ask questions. So, I mean, I would ask if we just could
have some time. I mean, as we said before, everything's retro on this, so it's not in from what you guys are telling me. Um, but I I I any of us that make a vote on this right now without having the financial data in front of
you and just percentages, we're not doing our job. And our job up here is to protect tax taxpayer dollars. At the same time, being fair to the employees of our city, like I said, I'd rather see this stuff pulled forward. I don't get to make that decision because I'm not
the administration. however, to alleviate some of the problems going forward. If we pulled it forward, it might help a little bit with management of finances, but again, I don't make that decision. We hold the purse strings up here. So, uh, I'll leave it up. I'll
leave it to you, Council President. >> Counciloman Councilman Cano. >> Uh, thank you, Council President. And I see a bunch of our fire department uh, folks in the back, and I see people swaying and feeling nervous. And I got to tell you, I've had your guys' back
since I've been here four years, and I will today as well. And I think most of us on this day as well. So, rest assured, I think this is going to pass. Um, and it should because you guys deserve every penny that you get. Um,
I've said it before, I'll say it again. We live in a society where we don't think twice about how much we pay people who sit in front of a computer and wiggle a mouse. But as soon as we start talking about the people who protect us, the people who teach us, the people who keep us safe, we start thinking, uh, are
they getting paid too much? I don't think so. So, uh, I urge everyone on this day to to vote yes. Uh, it's 0% effective increases for the 24 and 25. Increases begin next year.
They're welld deserved. I'm voting yes. >> Thank you, Councilman President. Councilman Cohen. >> Uh, I'll be voting yes tonight. Just something else I think that's important to be said is that I believe in collective bargaining. I believe that,
you know, when the administration works across the table with representatives of the unions and they negotiate a fair deal, compromises are made. I don't believe that everybody gets what they want in negotiations. I think people make sacrifices and they believe that
they're entitled to more than they're getting in this deal. and I trust in the process and and and I support collective bargaining. So I'll be voting yes and uh you know I've said it before the election, I'll say it again. When it comes time to talk
about taxes, we need to look at our contracts and we have to fund our budget to pay our obligations. we owe the contracts that we're signing on to that we approve and if it requires a 7% increase in order to pay it, then we need to increase our taxes by 7%. You
know, there's no uh magic pot of money sitting somewhere to pay this contract if we don't raise it in our taxes. So, you know, I think you should vote yes, and if you do, I think that you shouldn't be uh embarrassed to have a commensurate tax increase to cover the
cost of this because frankly, our public safety is worth it. Thank you, Council President. >> Councilman Russo. >> Council President, thank you. Um, look, public safety is always a priority for me, and I most certainly am willing to vote on this contract here tonight.
However, I I do take exception with the fact that when we vote on a contract, we must raise that money in taxes. I don't believe that. I never have. It's a matter of priorities for me. So the question becomes and similar to what councilwoman Fischer was saying question
come becomes the next administration are they willing to support this contract knowing that potentially there will be reductions elsewhere in the budget because that's the way I balance that. I think public safety should be
the top priority always and I will support that, but I will also support trying to make those changes elsewhere in the budget so that we could offset those costs. And I'm fully committed in doing that. And I think that's something that collectively we as a council should
should consider. but also in this particular moment going into a new administration, the mayor-elect, soon to be mayor should also have that in the back of her head to understand that those may be conversations coming down the pike. So, uh, I'm most certainly
willing to vote on this tonight, but I'm also willing to make cuts elsewhere in the budget so that we could balance that. >> Thank you, Councilman. >> Thank you, Councilman. >> You >> Yeah, I'm in favor. >> What are you doing? >> Okay. Yeah. You know, I I did I the only comment I have is, you know, the to the
extent that the characterization that we just got information tonight 10 minutes ago and therefore it's irresponsible to vote. I, you know, reject that. We we had information in the packet and reviewed it over the weekend. and the fact that you know you desire
supplemental information it's understandable but uh it is not as if we are uninformed about the impacts of this decision and uh I'm supportive of it notwithstanding the fact that down the
road it will make for difficult difficult budget season when you talked about you know when the police you know contract came up we delayed we delayed it because we didn't have a budget We didn't delay it. We wanted to see what was going to happen with the budget. And
after the budget passed, yes, after the budget passed, we voted um the police. >> Yes, that is in fact the case. Anyway, >> President at one point, if I may, in favor, >> sorry. Uh I actually uh like the length of the contracts uh being this long. It
gives the employees certainty and when they're getting uh raises, it gives us price certainty as well. Uh, and I think that that when there's no raise, when no when the contracts lapse, it's it's a failure upon us or the administration because we've gone years
without negotiating these contracts. Years. Like every single one of these contracts were overdue. Not by a month, not by two months, but by years in the making. And that's what's leading up to this point today where they're going zero zero because they had no contract for the past two years. And that's why it's extending for the other six. We're looking at a four-year contract, not
really a six-year contract in this aspect. I actually uh gives all of us core certainty across the board. So I appreciate the length of the contract myself. >> Council President, can I >> Yes, Councilwoman. >> So uh when I first joined um the city
council and I was on the finance committee, uh an administration committee. These contracts came through the committee. The committee discussed them before they were signed. We talked about the financial implications. We talked about the budget implications. um that I don't believe happened this
time, but we were given financial information about what the impact would be um to you know the overall budget. Um so when we talk about just a point of difference uh with you council president
what for for the benefit of everyone what we got um was a two-page what they call anou that just lists the years and the percent increase. That's it. Doesn't doesn't tell us if it's a $5, you know,
impact to budget and taxes. Um, doesn't tell us if it's a million dollars. It's just a percent that kind of looks okay. Maybe it looks okay. It's 7% every year. Doesn't feel like that's okay right now in the environment that we're in. Um, but but no, we were not given any
financial information. And I think that's important as we think about representing taxpayers. some of my colleagues it sounds like don't think that that um is an important maybe not as important um but I I definitely uh think it's important and
with regard to the police contract for clarity on that too there were two um the uh the PBA was approved last March um before we had the budget as a matter of fact I had co I tell people this I'm
going to be a martyr I actually called in that night and asked my colleagues to consider delaying the vote because it was so long and it was so expensive to us why wouldn't we just delay it until we got a budget and my colleagues that
night with the exception of Paul actually none of them commented at all and just voted yes that night so and they did it months before that is going to come back that contract is 8 years we don't have the ability to renegotiate our healthc care terms terms and with
the six-year contract, we won't have the ability to renegotiate or relook at our healthcare terms again. And one of the things that came out in this election from from most of the council, actually not even most, maybe three of us that
ran was that we have insane healthcare costs. We have them across the state and there's a number of things that that contribute in those costs. And when we lock in six and 8-year contracts, it takes away our ability to have conversations with our employees. And the last thing relating to that is the
state actually frowns upon actually frowns upon contracts longer than three or four years. So we've done an 8-year, we've now done a six-year. Um, and notwithstanding fair negotiations, we have an outgoing mayor that is walking
out of Hoboken and, you know, leaving us with long-term contracts. So, I'm not sure how fair that is necessarily, but it is what it is. We are here tonight. >> Mr. Fina, please call the vote. >> I I can Mr. Con. Hi. >> Miss Fisher,
>> no. >> Mrs. Imus, >> abstain. Mrs. Yavor. >> Yes. >> President me. >> Abstain. >> Uh, Mr.
>> Mr. Gero. >> Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Doyle. >> Hi. A A4. It's a resolution approving the reappointment of Marcy B. Rubin as ABC
board secretary. >> Just I didn't mean to blitz. So just a vote. >> Oh, >> sorry. My my mistake. >> Uh as soon as you guys uh >> got it already. >> Mr. Pina, please call the vote for A4. >> Mr. Con. Hi
>> Fiser. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Imus. >> Yes. Any of them? >> Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes, >> Mr. PresidentO. >> I can. >> Hi. >> No. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Doyle. >> I.
>> CD one through four. If Coun if there's no one who wants to to break them up, Councilwoman Fischer indicated that all four could be considered together. Um, I really don't know that you want us to read all four of them, but
>> to the mayor. >> Do you have to read them all? >> No. >> No. >> Okay. Thank you. I want I want Mr. Fina to read them all. >> No, I think we're okay then. CD uh one through four. Councilwoman Fischer.
>> Yeah. So, these are um we already approved the redevelopment plan for the Rockefeller uh Rockefeller site um which is effectively the site just north of the two um
>> north of the two gas stations um that are on 14th Street. The site that is between 15th and 16th just south of the um park or 1600 park. And then the one where the the car wash is the full city block. Um this is you know this is a
project that we this is an area of Hoboken that we've worked on for a very long period of time. Um we approved the plans um for it I think the last meeting or the meeting before that. It was uh definitely a collaborative effort between the city between Rockefeller um
their adviserss the um north end city council or the north community development committee in various forms over the years. um this redevelopment agreement. Just a couple things in it. One is uh they're building the building
first is the one that is directly north of the um the two gas stations. And the reason for that is they are building the municipal garage. It'll have 275 parking spots um and a sorry it'll be 25075
parking spot municipal garage with residential above it. But but we we actually fought pretty hard to get a municipal garage in the north end. It was always contemplated um was kind of forgotten in the beginning when we first sat down when the city council first sat down and talked with the city you know
about the plan. We said hey where's the municipal garage? And you know the city the administration was like what what do you mean a municipal garage? and um we went back to Rockefeller and we were able to get a municipal garage paid for
by um Rockefeller as part of this plan. Couple things though I just want to clarify. Can you um we had a Chris, Director Brown, we had the last conversation I had with you and then what I had with Rockefeller, we had two
different uh versions on the 50 parking spots. And I just want to be have you be clear on h how that's going to work for the b the north end businesses that are here. I think there's only one left. Did Alan left? I think and but can you clarify because remember you and I had a
conversation. We weren't sure how that's going to work. >> Yeah. So in on the site 7A um block the block between Park Willow 145. >> Mhm. Um there's four different RDAs, four different redevelopment,
>> four different redevelopment agreements on tonight's agenda. Y for all four sites. >> Um once those agreements are adopted, one of those agreements is 7A. There's language in the 7A agreement that speaks to uh Rockefeller for the the the
redeveloper, right? um making all they're going to they're going to they're going to coordinate with um all the parties that they need to to uh facilitate paving and striping the lot uh for uh construction vehicles and other entities within that site that are
that are causing as some some of the mic unintended consequences in the >> I don't know if you if that is what you guys said because we remember originally we thought it was for maybe neighbors not construction vehicles but basically it's for all of the construction happening on the North End to park in
this site to get them off of the streets to kind of return the street parking back to residents, customers, etc. So, are you clear on on that? That's different than uh actually using the site for parking for the businesses. So,
it's removing the construction vehicles off the street that are taking up street parking. >> I just want to clarify that. >> Correct. >> You're shaking your head. Uh, >> no. >> No, but but we're just clarifying just, you know, we're clarifying what it is.
So, it'll be to it it's coordinating to remove all of the spots so we can free up for all the businesses. Um, also because I didn't get a chance to look, we had talked about one of the late additions and I'm super appreciative of Rockefeller, their lawyers, um, Director
Brown, um, and kind of early in advance, our former mayor or former our future mayor elect, um, Jabbor, who I know is generally supportive of this concept, but we were able to add in effectively as close as possible to a requirement
that the what are going to be glass domes directly next to the waterfront that we will have some sort of bird glass or bird friendly um glazing on these buildings um to avoid what we're
seeing in a lot of places in Hoboken which is a lot of the the bird crashes um you know what bird strikes so the bird strikes like up at Stevens right now are terrible but they're kind of on the Stevens campus so we don't see it but having bird strikes like be all over
this area like on the sidewalks is a I don't want it cuz we're bird friendly but b we also just don't want it from a public health and safety. So that was added that language. >> Yes. >> Is Jason here? Jason just confirming that language is is in the document that we talked about. All right good. So
anyway that's it. I am absolutely supportive. Um, and one of the things that I think is exciting is, and this was I wasn't excited about it first, but Jen Datino was, and so I followed suit, but now when you come over into Hoboken,
we're going to have this incredible like gateway plaza, which is a plaza just south of 1600 Park, it kind of allow facilitates, you know, access over to Harborside Park. And so when you come into Hoboken, it's just going to be much more
beautiful than it is now. once we finish Harborside Park and we get the Gateway Plaza. So, I'm super excited about it and I hope everyone supports it tonight. >> Council President, >> Councilman Cohen, uh, first I I I I'm really happy that Counciloman Fischer mentioned
Councilwoman Gillotino because I remember many conference calls with Jen talking about this and her enthusiasm for this project and her tweaking it in ways to make it better. And I remember
that we took all that she gave to include and I know that she was happy with the direction where it was going. I've been working on this for the last six years since I've been elected. Every year I've been on the community development uh committee. Uh and I'm really happy that we've gotten to this
point. Just to echo what Councilwoman Fischer said, we've been looking at two and a half blocks when you come in on the northern border of Hoboken and you see piles of rubble. Uh some of it in fenced off areas where the fences are covered, some of them not. It's uh it's
not what the Rockefeller group imagined for this site certainly uh for the length of time they've been there and the amount of money they paid for the site that this is not what they wanted and it's not what we want in Hoboken either. U give credit where credit is due. Mayor Ball's administration,
Director Brown, engineers, planners worked really hard on this modifying these projects. uh to get to where we are today. They deserve credit. I I do want to correct one thing the council wincher said with respect to the parking lot. There was a time when it was only supposed to be for construction
vehicles. However, uh we've had additional calls. Maybe that's why you're nodding your head from Gravity Vault. Uh I had a call with Gravity Vault and Hoboken uh table uh last week with Rockefeller. And the current concept is that it's going to be a
public parking lot uh with park mobile availability as well as construction vehicles. So it's not so the customers of Gravity Vault, customers of Hoboken Table, the customers of uh uh Hudson Sonica will all be able to have their
employees uh we're talking about 50 spots in a convenient location. The reason why they're supportive tonight, why they came took the mic tonight is because they have been actively engaged with Rockefeller, with me, and with the city uh to make sure that we're on the
same page so we can help these businesses uh survive, for lack of a better word. Uh it's a few other things. We're going to have a beautiful vistas from the lateral park to the waterfront. Uh magnificent views. There's going to
be great access to the 1600 park soccer place. There's going to be building onto the 15th Street commercial corridor that's being built. Uh there there's been a lot of thought and energy that went into this project. I'm enthusiastically supportive. Oh, and one other thing, 275 parking spots,
something that a lot of people in uptown Hoboken have wanted. I have to say it was not my idea uh to do it. It was Councilwoman Fischer's idea to do it. in her ward and I respect her. Uh but I also think that uh I've heard from a lot of constituents that they agree with her
that they're actually looking forward to having it. But what's not only are we getting 275 parking spots, but it will be a municipal lot that we don't have to build, that we don't have to pay for, but we will get the revenues from all the parking spots, 270 parking spots
paid to the taxpayers of Hobok and to offset things like police contracts and all the other things that we're doing because we need new sources of revenues to pay for the obligations and commitments that the people of Hoboken expect for the services that we can provide. So this the having that revenue
stream from the 275 parking spots forever that goes to the city of Hoboken is a very good thing. So uh I'm enthusiastically supportive. I think it will transform our neighborhood the approach to Hoboken and I hope my colleagues support it as well. Thank you, Council President.
>> Council President Councilman Russo. >> Thank you, Council President. director. Um there's still one issue that I have with this project and that's the amount of parking. How many units total in all sites?
>> 729. >> 729. How many parking spaces are available, including the 275 that the city will have? I'd have to look back at um my notes to give you the exact number, but if you take out the 275, it comes out to
something like uh it's it's a 6 ratio. >> Yeah, it's 6, right? And and I think we've heard for a long time now that we just don't have enough parking. And I was very hopeful that in this agreement we would be able to negotiate more parking into
this deal. Um, I understand the reluctance from the developers to do that. However, that 275 parking garage that the city will own will potentially become parking for the
residents in the building because they're not going to park in Midtown garage. They're not going to park in garage B, right? They're going to park in this municipal garage. So, I don't think we're doing enough for a
neighborhood that's going to be developed in a massive way when it comes to our parking. And I've expressed this concern now for a long time about how we're doing that. And I was hopeful that we could
renegotiate the agreement to increase the number of parking spaces and potentially and or potentially decrease the number of units so that there was an offset there. And we had a long conversation about that a number of times. Um
and that's never come to fruition. What was the reluctance there? So, I would say that on the two on the one point of the 275 spaces being used for the residents of ADA, um we still have an operations and maintenance agreement to work out with the with the
with with the redeveloper with the conditionally designated redeveloper. Um if this passes the redeveloper, >> um so and I think so I think there's going to have to be some thought on to address that point and and that's a concern that I think we all share. we don't we want to make sure those 275 spaces are available to the wider
general public um hourly, monthly um to to make sure that it's covering the needs that that it needs to in that area. Um but in terms of the reluctance we have we've been negot we've been sorting this project out for the better
part of two three years. Y >> um I think that when we start talking about um adding parking and and additional putting in additional things in the building, we're we're we're we're dealing with building height and we're
dealing with loss of units with that which then talks to um other things of you know other other parts of the agreement. So, I mean, given where we are with um with with with the agreement, and if we're adding in more parking, does that
increase building height? Does that does that uh create another plan amendment? Does that you know, there's there's ripple effects to that? >> Sure. No, I I fully understand that and and I was hopeful that we we could get to a better place when it comes when it comes to our parking. So, I appreciate
your input on it, but uh I don't know if I could support this tonight. Can I just speak for you without you speaking for yourself, Chris, you don't mind? And if I'm if I and you don't have to say anything whatsoever, the the and I think council members know this too
probably. The reluctance of adding additional height to accommodate all the parking was made to accommodate Union City and Mayor Stack. That's why we don't have one for one parking because it would raise the height and we didn't want to hear Mayor Stack complain about
that. Period. Point blank. That's it. End of story. >> I don't know. It has to be Chris. >> The plan is The plan is the law. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And the plan says >> No, but when we're making the plan, we had debates that night. who are making
the plan that we're accommodating Union City and not accommodating all of Hoboken's needs like parking, like educational facilities, recreational facilities within this plan that would increase density or height across the board in the north end to accommodate
Brian Stack. That's why the original plan was adopted that way. Period. End of story. Thank you, Chris. >> Thank you, director. You don't need to weigh in on opinions. Everyone's entitled to um
>> Mr. Fina, call a vote on C D1 through four. All right. >> Mr. Con? I >> Mr. Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Syrus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes. >> President Zano. >> Hi.
>> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. Hi. >> Russo. >> No. President Doyle >> I CD7. It's a resolution of the city of Hoboken authorizing execution of an
amended and restated inlue service payment agreement by and between the city of Hoboken and Willow Avenue Associates LP which is located at 800 to 812 Willow Avenue. >> Uh I believe me again
>> this was Councilwoman Fischer. Yeah. Um, Director Brown, are you still here? So, >> this is for everyone's benefit. Th This is a building that has 54 section 8
units in it, right? >> 53. >> 53 >> was 54, now is 53. We were originally just going to extend as is without any language that tied a tax abatement specifically to their requiring to have
these units continue to be section A. >> Right. >> There was language in the I to your point we tightened up the language and >> to make that explicit point. Yes. >> Right. So here's my question. What happens if
they choose not to so they don't have a mortgage anymore. The mortgage is really what like required them to maintain the section 8 units. So they don't have that mortgage anymore. And and by the way, that is
what Clock Towers has. They have a mortgage that requires, you know, X number be section 8. So, if they don't have that mortgage anymore, what happens if they just choose to say, "I'm not going to use five, you
know, section 8 anymore. I I could get a better deal in the market. I'm just going to I'm going to vacate five of them." >> Their pilot goes away, but also the >> the whole pilot goes away. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's the the
agreement that's on the that's on the agenda ties in the affordability controls for those 53 units to the pilot extension. But to your point, the the those are projectbased units through HUD, >> right? So, you know, if they were to
start moving people into those units market rate, um they have other issues with the federal government because of misuse of how those units should be uh should be should be occupied. And if HUD decides to no longer
provide them anymore, like let's say HUD like reduces funding for section 8. So over time they just like there there's two questions here. One is uh specifically for the pilot, right? So
we're giving them a tax abatement. Um and two is what happens to units if they are no longer HUD? Are they sub because we have the pilot are they subject to suddenly
rent control? But but just before you answer, um cuz I had a conversation with corporation council on another building that currently only has say 20 or 30% section 8 and
they're without a pilot and they believe that the nonsection 8, the ones that are just market are actually not subject to rank control because they have a few in the
building that are under section 8 and so which the interpretation the conversation I have with corporation council is that doesn't fly like the any rent control should apply to any of our non you know section 8 units so so
there's two questions relating to this and I I feel like that there's more to be done in this contract like we're we're trying to extend it and I get that there's an urgency because it's been off contract for a year But we're extending it for 40 years without thinking
necessarily about what happens if any of these units at all suddenly become, you know, suddenly become a market unit. Like I'd love to have language in there that very explicitly says in that event, you know, the pilot either goes away or
it gets reduced and any unit would explicitly roll into mark or into rent control based on the previous section 8 rent. So the >> Yeah. >> So the property owner, the landlord, the property owner has been paying um the
has been paying the regular rate or the the annual service charge rate >> for the past year. >> Um and essentially what would happen is >> if let's say we let's say we we we didn't take any action on this and it moved to
2026. Um there's implications on that from a finance issue because the their conventional taxes would have should have been in place >> and their conventional taxes are um more than the annual service charge and
because the the increase in conventional taxes would then have a negative impact on the because it's an affordable building. It's an afford it's an it's a building that it's a with project based I mean, do we have the ability to just make this two years and fix some of the
other stuff and make it go ahead >> to the other point? Um, there's a there's in the rent control ordinance 15521 speaks to uh units that are transitioning from uh from from government contracts to rent
control. So, that is explicitly codified within our ordinance. So at some point one day um let's say HUD packs up and decides to not do anything else and these units go from project
base section 8 units to >> to market. >> That's squarely within our ordinance of you are now subject to >> rent. But what if it's not all of them? What if it's only half of them? Would the ones that rolled to market be subject to rent control?
>> Yes. any everything that's anything that's anything that's going from a government contract then gets is subject to rent control. >> It's no longer under the program. >> I I hear you. There are three applied buildings that rolled off pilot that we are not enforcing rent control in this
exact the exact situation. But here I that's why like I I agree but if there's any lack of clarity then at all like let they they have a different legal position for whatever reason. I would just want to not have our precedent for
not enforcing rent control in that situation to suddenly be used against us in this if for some reason five of them go away, 10 of them go away. I'd rather have it explicitly say in here. It would be subject to, you know, our rent control.
>> Oh, it does. I'm sorry. >> It doesn't. It's a Did you read the The agreements are very They're really old and they're very brief and they're not >> Yeah, the agreement the original agreement. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a it's >> we put in a reservation of rights into
the last one, the clock towers, >> which which we didn't really even talk about, but it made it very clear that we both sides reserve the right to argue that when control does apply and rent control doesn't and because there was a
court decision in 2001 in that one where there had been litigation. So we but they're operating. >> Well, I guess I guess my question is is there sorry is there can we do something similar to um what we did on clock
towers and instead of just agreeing 40 years right now we agree maybe through the end of 2026 you know so it gets us it gets you for last year it gets you this year and next year to give us breathing room and then we can go back. I think everyone is
supportive of the idea of doing a really long extension to to have these protections, but what you don't want to do is give a tax abatement somehow allow these, you know, allow a property owner to just convert this building to empty
the building cuz if if it's not subject to rent control, they effectively could just empty the building if there's nothing else that is governing them. If they don't have that mortgage anymore, right? they could potentially empty the building because the warehousing wouldn't apply unless we're explicit that it does.
>> I think I think within the agenda within the the packet there's a contract form that spells out the 53 units and the contract rents that they're collecting on the 53 units. Um and and it's an agreement I I don't have the form in front. It's an agreement between the
property owner and HUD. So there is there to your there is an agreement or or a protection from the federal government that this property owner has to rent these units as section 8 project based units. But to your point if you if
your your question of can we um change the term instead of doing a 40-year term to two-year term if I I I I don't know what the implication of that would be. um for the property owner having because of the
type of units that we're talking about. I I don't know what the implication would be, but >> even Yeah, even if we did we could go even two years longer. It's just committing to 40 years. I just I feel like on this issue because right now I I feel like on this issue we should be
doing everything we can to cross tees and dot eyes and make sure our properties as they are trans potentially transitioning right we don't contracts aren't for the what we what we hope to happen contracts are to protect against
what potentially could happen that goes against what we want to happen right And so if we have any question whatsoever on the ability for this property owner to roll their property, their units to a
market at a market rent and not be subject to rent control, then I would want that clarified. That's all. So >> distill this down to >> Can we just Can we just change the date? Instead of 40 years, make it >> suggesting Yeah. I mean I I just So your
suggestion is we change 40 to two >> just for now and then we make sure that we put in your reservation of rights and those kind of things. >> It's just kind of 11th and a half hour. But >> you know it's interesting because I did send the questions in not at the 11th
and 1/ half hour. I we went back and forth. I gave questions. You gave some answers. We were not able to fully resolve it. So it's not the 11th half hour. Things like this get added on a Friday night with no discussion in committee. This did not I'm on the we're
on CD South. Did you guys talk about it? >> This was a CD South item. We discussed this in subcommittee some time back. Um not the most recent meeting, but we have discussed this in subcommittee in terms of um uh the the the overall pilot extension for the building. Um so that
it was discussed. it was on the it was on the agenda in October and you know >> and there were there was concerns in October um because there wasn't the original backup for the the original agreement wasn't part of the agenda. So we um collected all the information there's a request from the from the
property owner. There's the original agreement. There should be the contract from with HUD for those contract contract rents. Um, but I mean to your point, if you want to change the term to two years, I mean that's that's a council.
>> I just think from a rent control standpoint, we want the opportunity to just make sure that we are covered if anything happens to those units. And everything I read didn't suggest that. That's all. >> I don't I'm sorry to interrupt, but I I believe it's an agreement. It's a
contract. And yes, if HUD ceases to exist, then thrust upon them is the fact that oh, we're not going to get any subsidy anymore and what's going to happen and they can go to market and they will or will not be under rent control. But I don't they don't have an
obl or excuse me, they don't have the ability to just say we we don't feel like doing this anymore. We want to go to market. If HUD exists and HUD doesn't pull the plug from them, they agreeing to 53 units for 40 years. So,
>> there's a there's a contract that says with HUD they're agreeing to 53 units for 40 years because the prior one was an agreement for 54 units. I don't know why it's 53 now. >> Yeah, the original agreement had 54 units. One of those units was supposed to be uh intended for a superintendent.
>> They didn't use it for the superintendent. So, it was 53 units. The contract that I'm talk is that I'm referring to it's it's a long form from HUD. let's call it form OM5985 H. It's it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a HUD form. Um and it basically
spells out the the contract rents that the property owner is collecting on >> each of the 53 units and it has the unit breakdowns and it is signed by HUD and the property owner. But to but to your point, if you want to change if you'd like to change the terms
that is a con that's a council um decision. I just they've been out of contract for the last year. The and we're at the point where um there's going to be implications. >> Take two to tango. If we decide aside from the question of us negotiating uh
if we we can't just say let's change it from 40 to two because if they say we're not, you know, then then we don't have a deal. We we >> Yeah, I don't know the answer to that question. I don't I don't know what the implication would be on the HUD side. Um, so that's that's the part of the
unknown. >> Please, >> it's fine. You can just go to vote. I'll abstain. Whatever. >> Anyway, Chris, would you stop agitating? >> Um, >> it's fine. Just go to a vote. I just I the the one thing I would like
to say is the city is not enforcing rent control on three applied properties on the market rents on properties that rolled off pilot. So that is something that we should be doing, >> right? And and if for some reason if for
some reason this property turns into that where they just choose to have 30% of them be affordable and 70% not and they follow the lead of applied who has said >> we'll be in litigation with them. >> Yeah. Or we could just amend the
document and avoid that. >> I don't know what this is. >> Mr. Fina, please call the vote. >> Doing the two of them together. We're It's a CD7 only. >> CD7 only. >> I I don't know what's the other. We didn't even call the the two of them
>> on CD7. Mr. Con. >> Hi, >> M. Fisher. >> Yes. >> Yes. Sorry, >> Mrs. >> Mrs. Yabore. >> Yes, >> President Zano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi,
>> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle. I >> CD8 >> resolution of the city of Hoboken authorizing the execution of an interim cost and conditional designation
agreement with Hoboken forward one urban renewal associates LLC including provisions for an escrow deposit to defay the city's cost incurred in the negotiation of a redevelopment agreement. Just want to thank uh everyone involved
uh housing authority commissioners, housing authority director, members of the city council uh to get to this point, another step along our journey to uh improving the Hoboken housing authority and creating new opportunities for living spaces for our housing residents which is desperately needed. Uh thank you everyone and please call
the vote. Council President, >> I'm just going to add a quick word. Thank you so much to Councilman Ramos. I know we had a conversation. This will continue to be a priority and I'll do everything I can on our end to make sure to keep pushing forward on this. So, thank you for your support, >> Council President. >> Very quick. >> Very quickly, I I just want to second
the fact that this is a 50-50 partnership is very important. So, the house, as director Reco mentioned, the housing authority is not turning over control of this developer. They will be an equal partner in this development and that's a very important thing. Uh so, and I trust the housing authority and its leaders
>> to exercise their authority and control. And good luck to everybody. >> Mr. President, could you call the vote? this we are the redevelopment entity we are here this is an a designation that we are doing just for the record um
count >> call Mr. Fina please call a vote on C8 >> I miss Fischer >> yes >> Mrs. Ius >> yes >> Mr. Jabor >> yes >> president I can >> hi
>> Mr. Ramos >> hi >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle. >> I take one more step. >> Nice job. Nice job. >> Resolution authorizing the reappoint of Steven Bond to the city of Hoboken Alcoholic Beverage Control Board for a
term of three years to expire January 1st, 2029. Councilwoman Fiser. >> Yeah. I just um would recommend that we uh table this um until January 15th
making appointments by the existing mayor. I think it should in the existing council I think it should be the new council in the new year um for any future appointments. So I'd like to make a motion to table >> councilman.
Okay. I guess you don't want to hear from me. >> Do you have a second? Yeah, >> I didn't >> I didn't know anybody wanted to talk about it, but that's all right. >> All right, Mr. Fina, please uh call a vote on a motion to table
>> CL2. >> Mr. Conn, no. >> Mr. Fischer, >> yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jabor, >> no. >> Mr. President,
>> I >> Mr. Cano. >> No. >> No. I'm sorry. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Doyle. >> Abstain.
>> Okay. >> Um, point of order. We're going to have to make sure there's no ABC board meetings then until after January 15th because they won't be able to convene now. >> Okay. And it's advice and consent, right? >> Correct. >> Um,
>> T6. >> All right. >> Which is >> Yeah, that's me. >> Yeah, I'll take that. >> I think it's me. >> No. Well, I need to read it. Uh, the resolution awarding a professional service contract to Nelson
Nygard Consulting Associates in the amount of 500, excuse me, $55,4.3 to complete a HOP assessment and action plan. Councilwoman Fischer. >> Yeah. So,
um I guess I I guess a couple things. one um just just in general, I think one of the most important things that we need to do as a city is figure out how to
have a an accessible um reliable uh within city public transportation system, hop system that is expanded, that is on weekends, late night and the
kind of system that makes people decide not to have a car. Like we you know one of the great things about this Maril race is it was really issues uh focused and you know this topic of expanding the hop was a big issue. Um when we think
about the growth in our population over over the last 10 years it's been 20% and we're going to have another 20% growth and we can't have 20% more cars. We have to have we have to have um an expanded hop system. Um
this resolution or or this contract just feels rushed. It feels like it's using, you know, end ofear dollars. Um and it not only is it, I think, incomplete. Um, if you actually look at the scope of
services and and and I understand, you know, Mr. Davis came up with his concern. We always have those concern. Clayton happens to live in my building. He's a neighbor. I've always had good conversations, constructive conversations with him. He mentioned this to me like in the hallway um when I
saw him uh the other day in my lobby. Um, I just I just think that when you actually look at the scope of services that were developed by people that work in city hall, but not anyone that lives in Hoboken, and it's so critical and and
not only that, but this this should be like a cross division conversation that brings in, you know, actually Director Brown and I even talked about how under community development, transportation planning should actually sit under community development like it should be
tied to our development. It should be tied to the future strategic future of the city and that's not what this is. And one of the things that we talked about in the last um council meeting and uh um director came up and said that you
know we'll have public meetings when we called out the fact that the city council is never considered a stakeholder. And if you actually read this the scope of services in the contract, it says that the elected officials will supplement the public's input. This this is something that needs
strategic guidance from the city council and the scope of services needs to be much more expansive and we need to make sure that the partner that is working with us um is someone that will work with the city council and all the departments of the city. That's not what
this is. This is the starting of a conversation that was put forward by HPU and my understanding is it wasn't bid out. It was, you know, Nelson Nygard's a great uh great firm. They've done a lot of good work for Hoboken. But I just feel like this, you know, we're going to
lose these $55,000. If we don't use it, well, great. let's put it in a surplus and use it for some cushion going forward and let's sit down and actually come up with the right scope that's a long-term scope to do the work that we need to do um in the new year under the new mayor. So, I um I'm
going to be a no on this tonight. I hope my colleagues are not because we don't want to do this study, but we don't we don't want to do this small study. We want to sit down and make sure we're doing the right study with the right input. Council President,
>> Councilman Russo. >> So, I I have no problem trying to evaluate the hop system and and reinvent what that really looks like. I'm I spent a lot of time campaigning on that.
I think there's two things that need to be said. One, we have transportation professionals on staff in the city of Hoboken. We have this
uncanny way of always contracting out at every chance we get. We have professionals here that can do this study. It does not necessarily need to be an increased dollar amount for an outside contract.
We collectively understand what the hop is, what we would like it to be, and how we can change it. I don't >> on a very simple level the professionals that we employ as a city
can hone that into a new plan. I don't think we should contract it out. That's that's first and foremost. And and secondly, I think it's important that we are very transparent about how we're doing this.
Um, a lot of accusations were thrown around in in an election. Uh, I think we need to avoid that stuff as much as possible because we need to unite the city and I think we do that by being as open and transparent as possible. Um, so
if we're not going to do this in-house, I think we need to put it out to bid. I think we need to have that conversation. I think the council needs to evaluate what those bids look like and then make a decision from there. But I think we should revamp this and and do this in a
different way. Uh just my two cents on it. >> Thank you, Council President. >> Thank you, Councilman. >> No, no, >> no. I know. >> Sit down. >> Why? That's his problem. He's the one.
>> Oh, he's one not to do. N years I >> sit down. >> Please sit down. all the time. >> Pascalina, please. Please sit. >> Got to keep going.
>> Just got to keep going. >> I'm going to miss this. >> Now, where were we? It's the greatest quote of the night, brother. >> Was what was it? >> Okay. Um Oh, yeah. >> Councilman President Zanna So
I think in the past couple months sh we've we've been a little more concerned with any type of contracts or any type of ordinance or resolutions that coming out of the transportation department. At least I have. Um we still
have a Kimley Horn contract that they came back begging for more money. They got it and I still haven't seen a report uh from that. Um, we have uh professionals. >> I'm sorry. >> Sorry. It's okay. >> Good. Kidding. Someone escort just
>> really >> good. Keep on Paul. >> Thank you, Chief. >> Um, >> I'm sorry, Paul. >> Oh, boy. >> I'll start the clock over for you. >> Thank you. Um, I can echo what what Councilman
Russo had said that, you know, we have professionals in these positions and consultants for me, they just come back here every single time. We need more money. We need more money. We like we're the piggy bank and you know, we're going to run into some financial straits which
everybody agrees up here. So guess what? We got to tighten the belt and we do stuff in house. when we have to rush a redevelopment agreement, somehow we find the time to do the re redevelopment agreement in house. So, for me, it starts here tonight with voting no on
this contract cuz 2026 is going to be the year for me of less consultants uh going forward because we have to watch our P's and Q's on the the um on taxes. And if we don't have the professionals inside city hall, I would
hope um the new administration then can find the people that are professionals in that so that they can do this inhouse because when you take a job, you're supposed to be proficient in doing all of this for us and not subcontracting
things out. Subcontract things out just continually drag things out. one, we don't get we don't we we just waste money. And so that's why I think that if we're going to do this, it should be done inhouse and that's the way we
should be doing things going forward. >> Well, I disagree completely, but call the vote. >> Mr. Con? I miss Fiser. >> No. >> Mrs. Imus, >> no.
Mrs. Jabbor, >> yes. >> President, >> no. >> Mr. Cano, >> I >> Mr. Ramos, >> no. >> Mr. Russo, >> no. >> President Doyle,
>> I. >> All right, >> that one fails. >> Yes, it does. Oh, by the way, Mr. Pina, I did receive a request that during our tallies, people who are watching it sometimes it's hard for them
to know what the outcome of a vote is so that when something if it's not unanimous if we just say and I forgot to mention it say the resolution fails so that somebody out there listening >> the original fails. >> There you go. Good job. Go back to the
beginning of the night. Uh all right. So we uh >> T7 is the last resolution. >> Mine's quick, >> which is Mr. President's. >> It's a resolution awarding a contract to
Jolt Charge, Inc. at no cost to the city for operation maintenance of citywide electric vehicle charging stations and infrastructure for the city of Hoboken. >> I believe Councilman President. >> Yes. So quick question. when I read over
the the pieces in there. Um, this is and again I know it jolts around. I just have a question on this. The two other companies and this is this country this c this company uh has one
only one thing that I see in New Jersey which is Scotch Plains. The rest are in London, Australia and everywhere else. So I was just curious. I know it's based out of Delaware um in America, but the it seems like everybody's uh contract or everybody's contact information is
Australia. I was just curious, is there while it looks like an American firm because it's registered in New Jersey, it seems like it's a foreign firm. So, I was just curious, the other two individuals that we had on the bidding list,
are they American companies? So I'm again I'm just it's me asking the question because everything I read looked Australia. >> Yeah. I'm not sure if you caught it in the proposal but they Jolt has purchased all of the Volta charging stations across the country. So while they don't quite have the presence that maybe
you're looking for they will through you know at the end of this year when they complete the purchase of all that equipment. >> Okay. Just wanted to ask because again what you gave us we you know you're reading the material and ask you don't know. Thank you. >> Y >> can I ask another question? >> Yes. So, um I actually have another
question for you because we talked about this briefly at the meeting. Um >> this is a continuation. They're taking over the the stations that were priorly, you know, previously installed. Um and normally they would be the one to
fund the installation of the right of the units. Now, since they're not installing any, um, is there an opportunity to swap some of the ones that are on Washington Street taking up space,
uh, in in the parking to add additional loading zones. Um, even potentially keeping the advertising panel up, but moving the actual physical charging station to create more loading zone parking so that it's a little bit fairer
to our businesses who are struggling with people being unable to park to pick up things. >> Yeah, it's not in the scope of this contract. It wasn't in the the RFP um that type of work. it was just taking over the ownership or the maintenance and operation of the existing charging
stations in their existing location. >> Straight handover. There's no opportunity to make adjustments that would benefit us. >> I mean, this there there's there's ways that we can we can look at how the stations operate. You know, there's the the city ordinances that regulate who can use the charging stations at
different times during throughout the day. Um, so there's that that's one way to address it, but the the scope of work that is included in this contract is not included locations. >> Can we get a usage report for each charging station? How well they're being used? That's probably more to her point. They're not being used. Should we
consider eliminating? >> We have the clear cameras. They could tell us. >> Plug them into cars. >> Yeah, >> I can follow with that. Thank you, director.
Uh, Mr. Fina, T7, please call the vote. >> Mr. Con, >> hi. >> Miss Fischer, >> yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Jabor. >> Yes,
>> President Zano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle. I >> public portion slash comments.
>> Leslie Norwood. >> Oh, >> I had somebody who urgently needed to go. Would it help? >> Oh, you didn't say it. You held it up. I will say >> it passed 70. But I think if it's unanimous >> and I know it pass.
>> Okay. Nice job, Jimmy >> Leslie. Uh I we'll start >> Leslie Norwood will terrace. I'm not going to repeat my disclaimer. I'm speaking as a uh parent and not a BOE trustee. Um again uh wanted to uh
congratulate you uh council president on your uh service uh and thank you very much for all the time you spent um with the city and also working on school issues. So thank you very much for that. Um, with regards to uh the certifying of
the election, um, as Mr. Fina brought that up, it reminded me that we did have um, issues related to voting in schools. Um, the city had to rent trailers because of the de overcrowding at the Demarrest school. Um, that was very much
appreciated. Um, and I guess as a parent of a kid at Brandt, um, programmatically, um, the gym at Brandt and at Wallace could not be used for recess by the students on election day. Recess had to be held in the cafeteria or in le other locations, kind of
exacerbating some overcrowding conditions. The gyms could not be used for gym class by the students and the gyms could not be used for the aftercare program by the students. Um so we have all sorts of programmatic issues with voting in the gyms at the elementary
schools. Um and also there safety issues. So anybody parents aren't allowed in the schools. They haven't been allowed in the schools for many years. Um but on election day on the runoff day um anybody who presents themselves to the door to school and says they're coming to vote has to be
let in. Um, as we all know, there's been a lot of uh school violence and shootings, and this is really a a concern um for parents and should be for anybody in the community. Um, election law does not allow police officers at polling locations due the potential for
voter intimidation. Um, so this security risk can't be mitigated by additional police officers other than the SRO's uh that are already assigned to the building. So, um, just reiterating the, um, requests that, uh, the city clerk
work with the county elections office to try to find alternate sites for the voting at, um, Brans and at Wallace, maybe rent trailers for those, too, or find alternative sites. There is a primary coming up in June, so the schools will be in session. Um, and that
would be from a parent perspective, um, very much appreciated. Thank you for considering. >> Thank you, Miss Norwood. Yeah, exactly. Uh, Pascaline 119 will
I play nine years ago? Nine. All the time they find an excuse. The last time they said play, you have so many fake plic. You know Mr. Brown a lot.
So many people are ending up. I paid the money. I went that I went that this letter that you send. That's a proof of me. I got evidence in my end that you want to give just aggravation and nothing else because letter say even if
you got a play you still another step. You might be reject or negative in bed. What this mean? What this mean? You think you talk stupid people. >> Paulina would you address the the the council? Okay, I don't know if you have more right here. They aggravate. They
just That's an insult. Okay, I have experience with everything here. I have experience. How many people steal money? How many people do illegal activation me? I don't need you especially law. Okay, I have experience over the law. I
I pay you not a fine excuse or play it. Why they not tell me nine years ago and why they say even >> it's might be reject what you mean reject I don't want to hear no more you
have so many in the cup I am young thank god I don't want to say old I said thank god the way I am the people are jealous in me that's what happened jealous f I don't understand what the hell is wrong put in front of my house you So many
space you put so many illegal activ you you put too many illegal helicopter too many across the street you put you move at 1:30 to put a 120 to do load the drone the fake plate I don't
need no fake plate the evidence pro the truth Friday I turn one hour I cannot find a park they make you happy no they not make you a medall you don't get medal you lose value. But you're not ethonist. You understand? So learn the
I get nervous. That's an insult. the rent control. You want to steal me 27 to lie went to the FBI. I thank God this is FBI otherwise never finish that story. So last week two weeks ago I talked to you Lloyd I said I don't want
to talk in the for okay I going to talk. What are you going to talk? They said don't do other said do the paper here said Stevie web the other uh direct he said that he talked to you
I talked to the consul general brand and he told you snap like you want to be you want to dominate the people nobody dominate me I be ordered by the god nobody else okay
that's it enough is know a sign I put the way you put the other too many other people you put a sign over here I need a for like everybody else I parked the three block away and then I carried the bag home I prove that I was hurt I was
hurt my god me thank God what the hell is this what prove you want you have a business issue with that mon said you have contract you pay how do you pay that number one she's not that and number two
I don't make a contract not that contract make one you sell or you buy something that mean you have a business illegal she's supposed to be investigated too you too I don't want to get aggravation I wait so long I wait for the sign you cate the problem and
you do I don't want to get stress because you good night thank you very much >> good night >> let me see if this story finish go to bed finish >> can you thank Jim behind. >> Thank Thank you. Thank you very much.
>> Um, Enrique Herrera, >> how's it going, Council President? Um, happy early retirement if anything else. Hope to see you soon. Thank you. >> Not quite there. Ask, >> uh, You can wait for a sec.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Is it possible we can stop the timer just until >> Yeah, we'll we'll do that. >> No, the timer. Oh my god. No. >> So, uh I just want to congratulate uh Emily Jabbor. Thank you. Uh I voted for you. I got you in. So, u mayor elect,
you know, hopefully she uh you know fulfills that role. She's a great leader. Make that >> believe. Okay. Good. Okay. Uh, also I um I'm very happy that every everyone was able to get elected in terms of who I voted for. Steve
Firestone, um, Caitlyn Le uh, reelected Joe Cano. So, I'm very happy that, uh, I'm starting to see new faces again and this is going to be a good time. This year's coming in and, uh, we could do that. Very much like threw me off guard. So, I'm just going to cut it short actually.
Um, just I'm happy I voted for you guys and, uh, keep doing a good job. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Sorry for the distractions. Enrique >> Elizabeth Adams. >> Here comes Liz. >> She's come up. She's good.
>> Good evening. Tonight on this fourth night of Hanukkah, I would like to offer my thoughts concerning an incident that occurred here in Hoboken only recently. It seems that Mayor Bala, who supposedly represents all of Hoboken, without
consulting anyone for advice, that is to say, asking beforehand what other people thought or how they would feel about his decision to perpetrate a particular action. namely that of raising the
Palestinian flag in front of city hall. To call this decision in bad taste, illconsidered, poor judgment, and altogether offensive is a gross
understatement, particularly in light of recent incidents both in this country and abroad. Whenever I see that particular flag, it makes me sick to my stomach as I dare
say it does others because of what it represents, which is an ideology which has been stated on more than one occasion of desiring to wipe Israel off the very
face of the earth. This is all too reminiscent of another flag that represented that very ideology resulting in the destruction of over 6 million people. I know of someone right
here in Hoboken who had both parents, God rest them, who were survivors of the Holocaust. One can only begin to imagine how he must feel when he sees this flag being brazenly flaunted right out in public
for all to see. There is really only one flag that should be flown out in front of city hall, and that is the American flag of the still presumably United States of America. After all, it's well to
remember that this country, whatever anyone else's opinions may happen to be, was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, not Islamic principles. That is a fact that while perhaps not
particularly particularly popular with certain segments of our society, nonetheless does happen to be the truth. At this time, I would like to take this opportunity to bid a not so fond
farewell and good riddance to soon to be ex Mayor Bala as well as to most distinctly undarly departing members of this of his administration who has supported many of his frankly
faka policies. I would also like to extend my congratulations to Miss Jabore on her win to become Hoboken's next mayor. It is my sincerest hope that you will continue to have the guts to stand up
and speak out for what is genuinely the right thing for all of Hoboken. Happy holidays and thank you for your time. >> Thank you, Miss Adams. Uh Tony Sorz. >> Hello Tony Sorz. I'm I'm here tonight
because I've been beating this drum about business openings in Hoboken. One, there are not 39 empty storefronts on Washington Street. Matter of fact, there's probably only five. The fact is that a lot of chains when they close, they're not empty because they have a
lease that stays in place. The landlords do not under do not go and rerent if there's an active lease in place. You can see by where um where custom ink was that landlord has a lease in place. They're not going to l rent rent it for less if there's already an obligation
that's guaranteed. So they're making money. But just today and Jason Tuvel who was here earlier and I had a conversation. I have a client wants to open up a kids toy store in Hoboken. just because they want a room to have a birthday cake party, a little room area.
We're estimating eight months be from start to finish before they can start construction. 8 months. It's insanity. Just last week, Mayor Roberts was downstairs getting planning board approval to expand part of East LA into a building he already owns. No, no
addition off the back of the building. Two-hour hearing. Mr. Doyle knows well about it, but two hours. the questions, the things the boards in this town when you select your next boards, they have to understand they're there to not be like they're they're not they're not
like police officers. They're there to kind of help move the process along and and filter things out if there's problems. But the questions, one question feeds on to the next, feeds on to the next. It happens here, too. You know, you have professionals, you have a
presentation, you can vote yes or no, but to act like I mean, this person probably will not open this kid's toy store down. They're a Hoboken resident in the second ward, owns two condos in Maxwell and and in Constitution. They vote here, a family of five. And and and
they couldn't believe it. They were like, "What are we going to do? We're not going to bother." They would have they will only get three months rent from a big corporate landlord. They're going to carry the rest six months and then be told at the end after they meet some of our friends downstairs who are
going to put them through the m the meat grinder. They're gonna they're and might be vote no. They're not going to have money. The rent is 9,000 a month. The rent is not the problem. Oh, building was built by a union. So guess what? Now they have to use union construction to
paint to electric all that 30% more than if they just hired local contractors here. They're trying to do everything right and they can't. They're not even going to bother. This stuff goes away. This is why stores are empty off of Washington Street. Stores are not empty
because the rents are high because there's a lot of low rents. There's a fable about a story that was on W on First Street during the election that was 7,000 a month. Was not 7,000 a month. It had fixture fees because it had a builtout kitchen. So what you're seeing now, businesses that want to
open, if you see a favorite restaurant you like closing and a new restaurant replacing it, we're advising clients, buy the business, change the concept. Lacassa is going to close. All the these places are selling. Businesses are selling because we are we have such a
narrow window. You can't get anything open in this town. It's not a real estate agent. Commercial is very small part of what I do. and and but I just watched these people want to open. I mean, 18 months for a fish market. That wasn't a lie. There were two other fish
markets that tried to get here in Hoboken before that and they got denied. J roof decks. I'm going to go to now roof decks. Jersey City allows 100% coverage for a roof deck. Just have to be set back here. We get 30%. But guess what? Because our zoning board and our
city council eliminated a rear exterior staircases, you can no longer fit a three floor a three-unit bedroom, three-bedroom apartment with an elevator and and a staircase in a floor plate of a 50 of a 25 by 100 lot at 60% lot coverage. That extra staircase off the
exterior of the building, which is traditional tenement style housing construction, it was eliminated because we didn't want people looking into other people's yards and it was lock coverage. Plenty of bu buildings. So now the buildings that have that extra are selling for more. They're a premium and
and they're raising up prices, too. So I'm jumping around. And one more thing we have to remember as we're doing all this redevelopment. We're losing a gas station in Hoboken. The only gas station that still does oil changes and inspections, right? Your car breaks down, you need to do a battery. We are losing everything. What's going to
happen when we lose the other two gas stations? We're talking about we talk about bike racks, we talk about parks, we talk about all these other things we want and we're losing basic services. I mean, unless we just don't want cars or most we are okay having tow trucks taken
out. Last thing, the the thing with all the ballards now, what's happening now? Amazon now just comes in with big large trucks. They park them illegally on corners. They park them all day and they're towing around these big blue bins all over. Well, when the guys are riding around, walking around bringing
you your packages, if you notice, you might be getting the wrong packages a lot more lately because they don't have the geot tracking on them. It's in their trucks. So, like where I live at 11:01 Grand Street, we're getting packages for 1122 grand. 1122 grand is it's our other
building, but it's it's like 10 blocks it's like, you know, not 10 blocks away, it's four blocks away. It's it's it's it's doesn't make it doesn't 1422. I'm sorry. It doesn't make any sense. it, you know, we're doing cra. So, I'm just saying we're we're losing sight of what
we really of some of the basic things in this town while we're focusing on a lot of really nice things and we're becoming a town if we you know, one of the things that I'm going to jump around. I'm sorry, but getting back to like the four family buildings, we're losing those too. And if you really want to save
housing, stop allowing conversions. People aren't going to like this. From multifamilies to one families, you know, maybe it's time we start saving. Maybe it's it's time we start doing that. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. Sorry to interrupt you. Patricia Waiters.
>> Hi, Patricia. >> Patricia Waiters. >> I don't need that. Patricia Waiters. I want to say something real quick about T6 with the hop assessment. During the election, we heard those seniors loud and clear. And Mike, you hit it right on
the nose. The guy that's been driving hop for years know better than anybody. So you don't really have to outsource because he was there from the time they changed it the way it is. Most of them get on a hop at shop right and got to catch two more different hops by the time they get to housing. That's been a
problem. They told y'all both elections when Robbie ran the first time and again. So that's eight years this hop situation been in play. Eight years. And you know where I'm going with that lead to all of them go to bingo. They can't even come from bingo. Oh, they got to catch two hops. The oldfashioned way,
the senior hop was catering to our seniors, not the working yuppy class. They was catering to the seniors, giving them a ride directly home. Most of them is in the HHA. And they got to go past the HHA, skip H, skip home, go to shot,
right? Catch the yellow hop, get off the yellow, get on the green hop, and the red hop. And it's a mess. So, I ask you for that one. Please get the public's input on that and start utilizing that community room, the uh multi-ervice center. It's a big room upstairs in the
gym, wherever. Put some chairs out. Start letting the community know what's going on. I'm begging y'all for transparency this time, especially due to the fact of mayor elect when they will always say, "Well, Ravi did this, Ravi did that." I'm not telling you what
to do or what you should do, but to not everybody was pleased, but if that was the case and brought us where we are today, give us the opportunity to you show us change cuz stuff like that is a no-brainer. It need change. And the
mayors that did run against you, all of your opponents, we all came to you. We willing to work with you, not against you. We got to see change. People do not want more of the same. It's crazy. And y'all know I hold HHA dear to my heart. I walked over twice and told Mr. Reco, I
try to be everybody's friend because again, when you want to play games on who have the most votes, five against four, four against three, three, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. I'mma come up here at the public portion, place it on a record when people stop me
in the street and say, "Why you don't be a commissioner?" Cuz I'mma say the city council play games. The same with the zoning board. the same with the planning board. I was there with you, Tony, right at the zoning board. We left almost 12:00. I utilize my time, volunteer free of time. I don't have to brown nose and
worry about a job. I'm here for the people and I've demonstrated that. I've showed you my compassion. So, when I apply for the zoning and planning and this and that, I don't got to go to y'all individually or talk at the back table and all of this. No, it's about
the people and time for some of them to go. Not you, Doyle. I know you leaving here, but time for some of them to go. They sat on them boards for 30, 40 years. And some of them so comfortable in setting their ways. If you're not a friend of the friend of the friendliness, they make the process
extremely hard. Extremely hard. I know a developer, they've been doing this to him all the time. It's like pouring salt in his wound to see somebody come from the outside like Senate, another senator or whatever, and they approved them right away. And we that live here can't get approved for nothing in our in our
own municipality. It's disgusting. So, I'm asking y'all, please come with integrity. Come with dignity and respect. Just come with a new so you can get another four years, but do what's right at once for the people that live here, especially HHA. And yes, HHA, all
of y'all watching me, I'm still mad at all of y'all cuz it should have took more than a bag of food and a turkey. Stop selling your vote. That's one of the reasons they don't put me down there and try to keep me and Ruben divided. But see, it won't work because I'm that voice for the people. I don't like dirty
politics and I didn't agree with none of it. But what I do agree with, they should have set a preamble and held you guys accountable and say, "Hey, we sold our vote, but you better really be there for us." So, I'm telling you again, I know I was a little mad week, guys, and
I told you I was going to say this again. Everybody in the HHA, it's time to unite and your vote. We had too many of our ancestors die for us the right to vote. Too many of us and my heart was broken to see that low turnout cuz people
already sold a damn vote. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Waiters. Alandrell, did I butcher that? >> Okay. You got it. Don't touch it.
>> Still don't touch it. >> Good evening. Good evening, Mayor Elect Emily Jabbor. Congratulations on your victory. Council President, the members of the council. My name is Al and I am the owner of Dip and Smash operating on Washington Street here in Hobok and across the street. Actually, I'm here tonight to speak about the clear automated enforcement cameras and the
very real unintended consequences they are having on local businesses that the city of Hoboken thrives off. Let me be clear from the start. I support safe streets. I support vision zero. I support traffic enforcement while when it generally improves traffic flow and safety. What I do not support is a policy that as currently implemented
actively deterring customers from visiting Hoboken's main street and harming all businesses, especially the small businesses that make the city vibrant. Since the clear cameras went live, I and many other business owners have noticed a decline in quick visits. Customers are afraid to pull over, even briefly to grab food, pick something up
quick, or support a local shop. Instead of Washington Street feeling welcoming and accessible as it always has been, now feels risky to visit. People don't want to wonder whether quick stop will result in a ticket arriving in their mailbox days later. This policy does not impact
everyone equally. For small businesses, especially food, retail, and service based shops, convenience is everything. We rely on repeat visits, quick stops, and foot traffic. When customers feel anxious, they simply choose not to come back. This turns Hoboken's main street from a destination into a risk. That
loss doesn't just hurt business owners. It's a loss that hurts the city as well. It affects Hoboken's tax base, employment, and long-term economic health. I also want to emphasize that these concerns are not hypothetical. The city council itself recently paused clear enforcement in response to the
public and business outcry. That pause alone is acknowledgment that the roll out has had unintended consequences worth examining. If the primary goal of clear is safety and traffic flow, then I respectfully ask the mayor and council,
where's the data showing proof safety and traffic flow outcomes on Washington Street since implementation? Have accidents, injuries, and dangerous behaviors measurably decreased in these commercial corridors? And equally as important, has a city evaluated the economic impact on local businesses before moving toward permanent
enforcement? Right now, what many residents and business owners are experiencing feels less like traffic flow and safety focused enforcement and more like an automated revenue generator, especially when minor non-dangerous infractions are ticketed without discretion or warning. There is
also a fairness issue. This also affects out of town visitors who are essentially to who are essential to Hoboken's economy often don't often don't understand the rules until it's too late and that discourages them from coming back. We also need to consider the
long-term consequences for the city. Short-term revenue should not come at the cost of long-term decline. Business closures permanently reduce the tax base. Hoboken is currently experiencing its biggest commercial real estate turnover in 10 plus years of over 10 plus commercial spaces available on Washington Street, which is unheard of.
Empty storefront empty storefronts lowers property values. Tourism declines and the city's reputation suffers. And once people change their habits, they don't come back easily. I'm not here just to criticize. I'm here with solutions. I respectfully urge the the city and the mayor and council to
consider maybe implementing grace periods or warning notices for short stops or first time or first time violations, adjusting enforcement hours so they do not coincide with peak business activity, re-evaluating camera placement and signage and high density commercial corridors, and maybe creating
a business city task force to policies like this that are shaped with local stakeholders, not after damage has already occurred. We all want the same thing. A hoboken that is safe, walkable, and thriving. Safety and small businesses success are not mutually
exclusive. But policies must be smart, balanced, and data-driven. Main Street businesses are not asking for special treatment. We're not asking for no enforcement. We are simply asking for smart enforcement. Fair, thoughtful enforcement that does not punish the very people who invest in the city, employ its residents, and give Hobbooks
character. Thank you for time. Thank you for your time and for listening. I urge the city council and the new mayor elect to work collaboratively with city businesses to adjust this program before the harm becomes permanent. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Um Jeremy Mola Jim, if this is the last time I address you on the dice, it has been fun. Uh forgot to say that last week. Uh, I want to thank uh Nora Deenetto and David Calminer uh for timely responses to some
unshoveled sidewalk reports. Uh, I had some action, saw it was taken within 24 hours. Uh, reminder everyone listening, sanitation inspectors at hobokenj.gov with an address and a photo and they will get to it and you'll make the city some revenue. Uh, noted the someone mentioned the Northwest Resiliency Park.
I'm not sure who maintains that if it's the parks department or uh separate contracts, but it was not that was one of the city properties that was really not shoveled all around there. Um it was cleaned up uh within a day after it got publicized on Reddit. Uh I was pleased to see I was wondering how the Grand
Street bike lane was going to be plowed. Uh and it looks like that actually got taken care of when I don't think any ballards got destroyed in the process. Um I was following streets blog Chicago of what the Chicago DOT is not doing in their bike lane. So, it was great to see us actually taking care of new
infrastructure here. Uh, someone mentioned the bike lane on the temporary protected bike lane observer highway was not addressed in a timely manner. Um, since I came two weeks ago and I mentioned some of the Grand Street painting was not finished, I noticed the chevron arrows within a few days were
painted. So, thanks to I guess Greg or whoever took care of that. Uh and my neighbor Megan who was also here two weeks ago uh just wanted to raise a reminder couldn't be here today that there is still overnight parking and weekend parking in the 15 church towers loading zone which presents an ongoing
concern uh for emergencies where one emergency ends up blocking traffic or as we saw last week there was uh someone got pulled over by three police cars and uh that kind of blocked off the entire affair. 141 uh general feedback on the phone systems for HPD and HPU. Um
there's a guy in Reddit reported getting hit by a car and it continued. Uh he's alive so he continued the vision zero uh streak. Uh but he wasn't able to get through the Hoboken Police Department's phone tree to report this in a timely manner and did not want to call 911 because this was not didn't consider it
an active emergency. Uh someone mentioned uh that HPD moved to an automated system a few years ago which made it harder to just pick up the phone and reach a human. Um, and uh, to quote comment they had there, there's other ways to cut costs, but automating emergency services isn't one of them.
Um, and I had a personal experience with the Grand Street stuff calling in cars that were parked in crosswalks overnight. Uh, and this is like classic city hall. Why is this like this? Uh, but there were duplicate recordings just to leave a message and I got to listen to, "Thank you for calling Hoboken
Parking Utility. You've reached dispatch office. Please leave a message for Thank you for calling Hoboken Parking Utility. you've reached dispatch office. Thank you for the message. Uh finally got to leave my my phone recording there, but it took about 90 seconds of my life. Uh 12th in Clinton, there was a video from a few days ago of a chain of cars rolling through stop signs during school
dismissal hours. Uh we just need some enforcement there. Uh so just want to highlight that. Uh Mary and Drea two weeks ago concerned with a membersonly laundry mat for condo owners only that she said was going to be opening at 719 Willow. spoke to Hudson Dorms and they
confirmed that they are not the property owner, but they're just going to be renting it for a self-service laundry mat. Uh, so I don't think that is a big concern. I just wanted to close the loop on that. Uh, I want to congratulate Nick Lindsay, Ford Wes, for a 5-year parking ticket streak of never getting parking
tickets. Um, he requested that the Park mobile app, he lost a streak this week. When he's requesting parking, if the park mobile app could just tell him, "Hey, you're going to park here, but there's street cleaning during this time." Uh, that might have saved saved him two parking tickets. Uh, the poop dad dispenser. Thank you, Michael Russo, for trying to
fix that. Uh, still broken. Um, and it was locked. I figured out what's missing. There's a nut, but it was locked. I couldn't fix it ourselves. Um, we could follow up on that. Uh, to the woman that brought her Great Dane into Mile Square Cafe on Aan Park and ate her $18 breakfast burrito, which is good, I will admit, not as good as the Ogo
Gringo burrito, which used to be $10 back in 2020. Uh, we were glad to see that there is now a service dogs only sign. Uh, but this behavior needs to be publicly shamed with all the dog owners bringing in non-service animals. Uh, it was an absurd photo if you saw it on Reddit. Uh, a PSA going into snow season
uh from one of our Reddit regulars, Mr. Hoboken, on snow turds. Uh, quote, "Sorry to interrupt your thoughtful coffee session. Uh, but a quick PSA. Snow on the ground does not cancel your responsibility to pick up dog poop. It doesn't hide it. It doesn't dissolve it. The snow just preserves it for everyone
else to step in later. We all like dogs. That's not the issue. The issue is basic courtesy in a very small, very walkable city. Please pick up your poop. Uh lastly, uh Tony mentioned Amazon deliveries with trucks. Uh I noticed in New York there's micro delivery vehicles
like pedal powered things. I'm curious since they're innovating with the new box trucks. We could talk to Amazon and ask, is there a reason we don't have that? That'd be a great use of our bike lanes. Uh Hoboken's McDonald's is not serving McRib. I'm keeping tabs on that. And lastly, Fel Navididad, which I just learned to sing at Snack Bar Karaoke.
Shag shamash to those celebrating Hanukkah a joy Kwanza and for the rest of us a very happy festivist. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um I think we are done with public portion.
>> Motion to close >> actually. I just want to comment. >> Yeah. Motion to close. Public motion business. >> All those in favor? I >> Okay. Oh you Yes, Councilman.
>> Yeah, I just wanted to make a quick comment. Uh, you know, in council chambers before when people have said things that were anti-Semitic, I've addressed them and called them out. Uh, the same goes for Islamophobia, right? Our Muslim neighbors are our neighbors.
They're part of this country. Uh, the suggestion that they're not part of America is false. Thomas Jefferson who drafted the Declaration of Independence Bought a Quran when he was 21 years old. Thinking about inclusion
uh in 1777 he drafted a statute which became law in 1786 for the state of Virginia which was a religious tolerance act which became adopted in our constitution as no
religious test. This is a country that's welcoming to all and this is a diverse community and we welcome all people. So the same way that we reject in this hall anti-semitic statements, we should also reject anti-Islamic statements and anti-Muslim
statements. And I just wanted to say that council president >> Thank you. Um, we have one matter for new business which requires I think >> council president. We we also asked for a second one.
>> Excuse me. >> We also sent you a note asking to add a second one if possible after this. >> All right. Well, the we'll deal with the first one first if that's okay. The um the reciprocal agreement that we passed last meeting with Stevens included I
believe five events. Um the inauguration inauguration uh was not one of them. And uh so this is amending the agreement with Stevens just to allow for the at no cost use of the Bond auditorium for the
inauguration. Uh which is coming up before our next regular meeting, your next regular meeting, I might say. Um so if it's okay with all can we vote on both of these
together? Mr. Mr. Lore, >> um please call a vote. >> Okay. on CC1 and CC2. Councilman Cohen, >> hi. >> Counciloman Fischer, >> yes. >> Counciloman Immus, >> yes. >> Counciloman Jabbor, >> yes. >> Councilman Preszano, >> hi. >> Councilman Conero, >> hi.
>> Councilman Ramos, >> hi. >> Council Russo, >> hi. >> Council President Doyle, >> I. >> All right, pass both of them. And then there's one more that Councilman Fischer would like to >> explain to us if you would. >> Yeah. Uh, I think Brian or Corporation
Council circulated it, but uh, so the mayor vetoed the clear camera ordinance that was passed by the council last week, but he vetoed it late Friday afternoon after the agenda was published. So, we um,
we just we didn't have a chance to put it on the agenda and it fell off of our radar. So, this is um kind of I think timely that we need to do it as quickly as possible given we have businesses that are still in residents that are
still asking us to fight for them. Um and so this would be a asking for it to be urgent and given the conversations we've had in the businesses that are concerned about loss and sales. Um we are asking for people to consider a vote
to override the mayor's veto. We need six votes for this. >> All right. >> Can we do them together? >> Second. >> We can do them together if you're okay with that. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, for CC3, CC4, doing it
together. Councilman Cohen, >> no. >> Counciloman Fischer, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Nimus, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Jabbor, >> no. I haven't even seen it. >> Councilman President, >> so we're clear. It's a veto override. >> We're voting. We're voting. But to say that you didn't see it is ridiculous.
Ridiculous. >> I don't have paper in my hand. >> Ridiculous. >> Councilman Preszano. >> Absolutely. I >> Councilman Cano, >> no. >> Councilman Ramos, >> yes. >> Councilman Russo, >> I >> Council President Doyle,
>> no. >> Fails. >> The resolution fails >> for both. Yeah. >> For six. >> The emergency passes. The resolution fails. No, they were both >> together. >> We just did them together. >> Did them together. >> We did two pair.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They both failed. >> Thank you, Joseph. >> The motion as an emergency pass. Motion to close the meeting. >> What? >> All in favor? I.
>> Everyone remembers. Merry Christmas. Manny. Manny wasn't here tonight. Merry Christmas. Mayor, >> happy holiday. the 23rd, a 10-minute meeting at 6:00 and then the 5th of January. >> But then he had six