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--------- has been provided to the public in accordance with the provision of the open public meeting act. Notice was published to the city website. Copies provided bergam record also placed on a bolton board in the lobby of city hall. Written objection objections if any should be made the city clerk.

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>> So the flagg of the republic for which it stands. One nationisible and justice for all. Mr. Con >> here. >> Slicone >> here. M >> Fischer >> here. >> Mr. Zyus

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>> here. >> Mrs. Le. >> Mr. Bernano >> present. >> Mr. Canero >> present. >> Mr. Russo >> present. All right, let's go through our

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agenda items. We have uh for second reading uh J47 J47 uh that's the one >> 511 Nort.

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>> That's the middle triangle. >> Yes. No, no, no, no, >> no. This is the one >> by Raised Foods. The old Race Foods site >> next to the >> across from the firehouse. >> Yeah. I'm observ uh any questions on that? All right. Uh

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number two, we have discussion about this uh 1000 Jefferson Street um transfer of the pilot from one company to the other. Director Brown, I think we had a >> Did they meet our we make the changes on

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there? I believe we did correct >> about rent control, right? About committing acknowledgement. >> There was a there was an acknowledgement in the or there was an acknowledgement in the ordinance that they would be subject to rent control um after the 30-year period. >> Awesome.

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>> Thank you. >> And how I'm sorry, director, how much is how much time is left on the 30-year period? >> Not a lot. >> You know, >> I'd have to look at the agreement. Not long. I think five years less less than that maybe. >> Had to be longer. Had to be longer than

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that. >> It's It's more than 10. I know that >> cuz my my building only has three left and I feel like that building was built well after mine. >> Surprised. >> Anyway, it doesn't matter. Okay. Somewhere in there. >> Yeah. >> Uh

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with the loading zone on Madison Street the hours. in your were counselor I believe. Uh number four we're amending ch2 parking spaces ADA compliant handicap

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parking number five multi- stop signs once again adding more stop signs. >> Now we have to go through this process. Does does Brian Stack do what what are those studies?

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>> Union City does not do warrant studies. Just so we just >> he doesn't >> on the record. Warren studies do not exist in Union City. I guess everybody has like buildings you have to drive over every 40t. The whole point we can't do those here. >> The whole point of warrant studies is

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very specifically so that if for some reason someone gets in No, I'm for other other people. Um if for some reason someone gets in an accident by like stopping at a stop sign um or going through a stop sign then and they sue the city. Correct.

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>> If we don't do the warrant study our liability is more even though we would have liability anyway. >> Are we doing all the warrant studies in house? >> So so Brian Stack says I'm willing to take general risk. I'm a risk assessor. There are certain risks I'm willing to take. I'm just putting stop signs where

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I want them. Are we doing the the warrant studies in house with the engineering department? [clears throat] >> If we can save money there, that's >> it's a combination. It depends on where the location is. If it's a county road, sometimes we'll request the county uh does the warrant analysis. Uh but most

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of them are done through our on call traffic engineer. >> Uh it's faster. We need an engineer to sign off on it. We could do the data collection in house, but this is has been traditionally the most efficient way uh to get our uh stop signs warranted.

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>> The most cost effective. >> And how much is a warrant setting? >> I forget >> 15. >> It's a couple thousand dollars per uh location typically. >> And these are county and they have higher don't they have didn't you tell me once they have like higher standards or something for their intersections?

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Maybe I >> It's complicated. I mean in in Hobok in so warrant analyses in general right there's different criteria you can use there are different warrants right so uh there are traffic volumes from both directions total units right so you're talking about not just cars but

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pedestrians bikes uh all units combined right there's also also crash history uh there are uh visibility related uh warrants um there's even another warrant that says if you don't actually hit these criteria if you hit like 75% of

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that criteria combined then it's also warranted. Then there's engineering judgment which bas basically says okay as a licensed PE if you look at all the data that's been collected and there's something outside the scope that you think still warrants having a stop sign

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or a multi-way stop uh condition there then you can still say it's warranted. You can sign off on it based on uh engineering judgment. So a lot of the ones in Hoboken get engineering judgment because of things like uh lot lines being very uh having no setbacks, right?

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So they're visibility issues. Um there could be other issues as well. >> Just pedestrian density. We have we have a level of pedestrian density even if you have one car but you have 9,000 pedestrians, right? Some of those intersections are dangerous just because of the volume of pedestrians that walk,

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you know, through it. And and unfortunately that that's where we have the challenge. Like we we couldn't get a stop sign on Sinatra right by Pier 13. There was nothing we could do to meet any of those warrants to get a stop sign there. So all we did was elevate, you

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know, the intersection. Um but most of the time you get them. Didn't you say like 80% something like that? >> Most of the time. Yeah. Um keep in mind that's a county intersection, so there's that additional layer of uh review that's required. Um, anytime a county

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intersection is included, uh, it's not only, um, you know, receiving engineering judgment and review from the city or city's on call traffic engineers. The county also has to sign off on it and they won't always uh, agree with our own

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analysis. These locations that are up here tonight that are county locations, uh, have been reviewed by Hudson County and approved by the county [clears throat] and they're they're adopting it for concurrence as well at the commissioner level. Thank you, Ryan. The next three items are being carried.

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We did not vote to send them to the planning board uh last council meeting. So, we'll be doing that tonight and hopefully we'll be hearing [snorts] those items at our August 12th meeting. CD So, we have CD1, CD2, and CD3.

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The resolution to send those uh three items to the planning board. Refer them to the planning board. Any questions on claims or reports of city officers claims payroll

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[clears throat] report from 610 and payroll report from 624. >> Where are we? claims. We're on payroll and claims. >> No, no, no. >> Question on that. Payrolls and claims >> administration

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A1 and A2. >> Director Gonzalez on A2 and and uh Director Sharp. Um, did you guys have a chance to like, you know, talk to another town or anything

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that has used it at all? >> I I did. Yeah. I actually spoke with um, Homedale, New Jersey. Um, and they had nothing but positive um, things to say about it. They say that they've already used it to make more cost-effective purchases. They cited specifically a garbage truck.

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>> Um, so they were primarily using it for procurement. Um they also actually got on board with the software even before they had rolled out some of the labor um relations aspects of the software too. Um which they're looking forward to using more. So >> good stuff. You want to explain it to everyone else? Maybe they don't know

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what it is. Please quickly. Um so Munatrix is a um software that basically compiles uh publicly available data from municipalities across New Jersey um in a variety of different areas. Uh purchasing so contracts, vendors, um shared services, uh any

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towns that have shared services agreements, it uh [clears throat] provides those. um the uh salary ordinances and salary guides of other municipalities so we can see what uh related positions are paid for in other in other municipalities

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um and basically pulls all of that data into um an AI database um and is incredibly user friendly and searchable. So whereas you know previously we would have had to call or I don't know have an intern call 40 municipalities to find um

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you know average salaries of of other um you know positions. We now can go into this database and find it and find out. So it's much better for our benchmarking um and I'm really excited about it from a procurement perspective because now we can find the lowest cost vendor for

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everything that we need who's also on state contract or co-op contract things like that. It'll it should really improve our our operations. >> And when we It was really cool. They did a demonstration for us and like let's say there is a vendor that we're thinking of using, they can go in and

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pull up and see every other town that has used that vendor and not only see that a lot of people have used it or not, they can also get a sense of what the pricing was, you know, at all of uh the other towns. So it um I think originally you guys were thinking about it as we're thinking about some of the

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other issues that we talked about earlier in close session about getting some benchmarking information and this kind of tool is going to help get a lot of that information. It basically reads like reads the agenda documents for everyone in the state. So all the resolutions, all the ordinances etc.

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>> Yeah. I think one benefit is we often ask the question what other towns are doing this. Yeah, >> I think this >> this software really helps us see whether the towns are doing whatever we're looking to do >> uh in Hobok and really like model it. >> I think it'll pay for itself very quickly. >> To be clear, this just sources publicly

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available data. So you could hire a human being to go and source all these things, put them into a spreadsheet, but this will do it automatically. Correct. not engaging privately with any because worried about this kind of analogous to the real pages scenario but there we you

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know we just said hey if it's publicly available correct >> and a person could do it this just superpowers it so this is and that's a yearly contract 35 roughly $35,000 >> yeah 30 35 a year 17 for the first year because it's only July December >> and what are you using now

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>> we we try check GPT >> yeah we we don't have a software to do this now Yeah, this is not new, but you would >> I mean this is a brand new proprietary software. No one does it. >> And I say that in Jess, but there's some truth to it, right? Like have we tried any other like just AI course

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>> software out there that were >> Yeah. No, I mean look, we Yes. Do we use other AI tools? Absolutely. None are as specific to New Jersey, New Jersey procurement law, New Jersey um you know, state contracts and things like that. It's a it's a unique New

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Jersey is a unique place. All about the prompt. It's all about the prompt. >> You'd have to sit all the other thing over time. >> Yes. >> I think I have a problem with it. I just >> I'd love to explore that more like just in general. AI fascinates me. And I just I think it's I even I mean thankfully

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it's only 17,000 the first year but I think just proactively I just think it's a positive technology addition to the tools for the administration to hopefully as we're looking to lower costs to you know get better um contracts etc. Like I think this is I

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think it'll pay for itself in the first procurement that they use it for and hopefully we'll see even more efficiencies you know from it. So [clears throat] I love it. Okay. >> And I'm glad you talked to we asked just you know we asked them to at least talk to it's a newer technology so there

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aren't a ton of cities using it yet and so we asked that they talk to at least one more just to make sure it's working basically. >> Yep. I think it's good. Uh we have a number of CD items on the agenda tonight.

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>> Question on uh CD4. Um similar to Yeah, this is uh a new mortgage lender. Um, similar to the conversation that we had on 1000 Jefferson, is there anything that we want from the Waterfront Corporation Center that we want to make

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sure that they commit to? Like, is there, you know, whether it's, you know, something relating to cleaning puree or anything before we give them something that they really want. >> So, it's an office. It's an office

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building. That's different from 1000 Jefferson where 1000 Jefferson was right. >> But do they have a pilot like what's the is it the >> Yeah, there's a pilot with the city and port authority. It's a actually I think a triparty agreement where um the if the transfer that they're looking for has to

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be approved by the city. >> Okay. >> So was it considered there was nothing that they're a good partner to the city. So um in terms of >> is this the Southern Development Corporation that it's correct that that's the agreement. So is there anything relating to like that we need

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them to spend money on the maintenance of puree for example >> nothing more. >> So there is already an M >> cleaning the goose poop. Yeah. There's an O andM agreement that already funds all of that. Um and so they fund the the operations and maintenance of puree

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pierc and the waterfront walkway between pure piers A and C. Um so that yeah this this block already pays into that agreement um on a long-term basis >> and we are we're comfortable with the level of maintenance there like rat mitigation all of that >> that's uh

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>> so we yes I mean we have very direct oversight over the maintenance there um they work in very close contact with our department of infrastructure um and in in fact I mean we we're effectively doing the the um operations or overseeing the operations through the

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funding provided through that agreement um in consultation with the uh developers. >> Anytime we're asked to approve something, we should always say what can we get from it. Always be thinking what can we get? What do we need? What is missing? Is there anything? Because if they if they cannot refinance their

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property without our approval, we have a big opportunity to ask for something, right? Yep. >> So, doesn't have to be huge. And I'm not saying like a million dollars. Just saying like if it's >> No, but like if we want extra whatever we want them to I don't know fix PC for

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example, >> right? >> Well, if we're about to ask them to do that, >> well then you should wait to approve this. If you're about to ask them to do that, you should wait to approve. If you're about to ask them to do that, I would I would I would push this and have that be that would be me. You guys can

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do whatever, but if we're literally I would hold it for a meeting and say we need to talk about you want this approved, we need you to commit to Pierc or whatever. >> I I don't we have a decent working relationship with them. I don't foresee any issues. I mean, and we have an existing agreement with them for operations and maintenance of Pierce C.

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So, I don't I don't know what more we would put in this agreement. >> Well, it's not in this agreement. It's just uh >> in this resolution approving this agreement. >> Yeah. Well, you don't have to sign it immediately once we approve, right? Just gives you the authorization to sign it,

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right? >> Yes. >> And so then you can withhold the signature until you've >> Yeah. I wouldn't hand them a signature until until you get everything you want on PC and it's committed, confirmed, or whatever. I would withhold something like this. It's hugely important for them.

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>> Yeah. I I hear you. I hear your point. >> Okay. Any other >> uh director while you're up here? >> Yeah. >> CD9 through 12. just so I can keep them all straight in my head. Just give me a quick background on each of them. >> Yeah. So, those are the Rockefeller agreements. Um there are there are four

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different agreements and there's conditions precedent um that relate to other ancillary agreements that were part of the um the the original agreement. So, we we entered into redevelopment agreement into a redevelopment agreement for each site. But as part of each agreement, there's

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other agreements like um and and I'm not looking at park maintenance, cycle track um for all four of the sites. And then for 8A, there's um different garage agreements that need to be entered into. So right now, a lot of them are due at

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before their planning board hearing. And so we're changing it because a lot of the agreements are they're they're functionary. Um so we're changing it to building permit. um and um before planning board hearing. So, we're just changing the timeline on when those agreements are due.

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>> And do these um these agreements have bird glass in them? >> I think you someone said that >> they do. >> Rockefeller committed. >> Yeah, I I I have to look. Yeah, I think the agreements have language about them

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doing um appropriate bird glass studies for each of their buildings. I I'm pretty I I I don't have the agreement in front of me, but I believe that there is bird glass language in each agreement. There's also um uh the the ordinance

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that's on well that there's obviously a bird glass ordinance coming down the pike. >> I think that is carried. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Any other questions on the CDs? >> Okay. All right. Thank you.

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>> Uh, community services accepting a soccer donation, two soccer donations. >> CS4 the um the $10,000 for the headliner. How is that being funded? That's through the cultural affairs

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trust account. >> It is through the trust. >> Yes. And um the headliner does require a 5% deposit and then 5% at the time of the event. So 10,000. [clears throat] Thank you.

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Uh city clerk meeting minutes. Finance department is know overpayment of taxes or in this case uh water I believe >> y >> infrastructure

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we have four items I won't >> we're increasing snow >> this le's landscaping >> not lou is off >> I knew that was

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Lou retired [laughter] >> underground subcontracted to Lou. That's what it was. >> So this is Yeah. So this is a contract increase for Underground Utilities Corporation. They're the company that does overnight snow clearing within our roads and our emergency routes. So not anything within our parks, which is what

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Louis Landscaping is. Um this is for an invoice for a storm that occurred uh January 26th. Found it >> fell under the table. So, the the storm occurred in Janu uh January 26th and we did not catch it in the last uh contract increase and so we just want to come

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back and make sure we pay all of our outstanding invoices. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. [clears throat] >> No, this year >> I two I3 >> I guess I guess a question would be I

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don't know if R.J. Is this for you or someone else? But our snow budget was our reserve right was 250 if I remember. Is that correct? Didn't we set aside money uh director Gonzalez or >> we you have the numbers in front of you? >> I don't have the I don't have the exact

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number at this point. It's around 200,000 left. >> But that's every year we replenish that or it's >> we've replenished. >> Sorry. The snow reserve um is replenished by anything that is not expended in the calendar year rolls into the reserve at the end of the year. So, next year it's going to need to be replenished. Is that correct?

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>> Um, >> we budget for >> It's up to the council if you want to replenish it or not. Um, >> well, no, but we passed a bud. We passed the budget, so technically >> So, anything unspent will roll into this is funded through the snow trust fund because there was a declared state

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of emergency. That's the other factor that allows us to use that. >> So, we got money from the state. That's what you're saying. >> No, no, no. >> No. Only emergency emergencies. >> That's what I'm saying. that when it's state of emergency is declared, we can use a snow trust fund as well. >> Correct. >> So, I have a question for you on this. So, if the state of emergency is declared,

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>> can you explain to me in a couple sentences what we are allowed to do what we can be reimbursed upon? >> Everything. >> Do you want me to take that one? >> Yeah. I mean, it's >> Yeah. So, effectively, once the state of emergency is is declared, then we can submit expenses to um county or state

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OEM for reimbursement. depends on what the emergency is, what exactly is going to be reimbursed, but in general, um, that's why we actually have a very specific grant writer that will submit those things for us to ensure that we get the maximum back. >> Can I make a recommendation? >> Sure.

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>> We need to make a list, a go list, like a go bag to go bag. We need a to-go list when there's emergency declared. 50 snowblowers, 2,000 shovels, you know, go on. And if it's a state of emergency and we could put submit it to the state, we got to take advantage of this, right? I

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think going forward anytime that they declare a state of emergency like the second that governor presses that button 1201 or whatever the second is after it, Hoboka, New Jersey has an order in for 50 snowblowers. >> I I don't know how you do it, but we purchase Do we do that?

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>> That's not exactly how it works. Um, but I'd be happy to have a conversation with you about the whole process and even bring our grant writer into that conversation on subcommittee. >> Yeah. Because I I don't want to miss I mean if there's opportunity, there's money laying there. I don't not that I'm saying you guys don't do it, but I'm like I know

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>> we submit post any storm event that happens, every single department gets a form that's provided by the state OEM office and we list every single expense that we've incurred during that declared emergency and submit it for reimbursement. The only thing that we may want to look into is other

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municipalities hired short-term workers to do it. And uh prior administrations before Mayor Zimmer uh they used the parking utility uh Mayor Russos would do it, Mayor Roberts would do it to shovel the crosswalks.

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>> But if they weren't giving uh to fire hydrants, they would they would help assist in in those items. And >> you get reimbur you would get reimbursement. Correct. They get paid, >> but we could put it in as an expense. >> So, the labor is Yes, the labor is definitely reimburseable. I think what you're asking for is for us to make

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capital purchases during the middle of an emergency. And I Paul wants a snowblowers. >> There's a little more nuance to that, but I'm happy to have that discussion offline. >> We can help lose landscaping a little bit when we can do it ourselves. >> Just saying. >> Anyway, thank you. I just that for future and we can have

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>> fire contract, right? >> Okay. They do already. >> Public safety slides. >> It's a FEMA port security grant. Uh tax collector resolution uh tax overp payments refund.

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Transportation T1 through T4. Any questions? Slate Industries elevator maintenance grant application T3

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just the auctions we see those all the time and Castle Point Terrace I think we've discussed that well so which I think we know desperate need of repair >> does any does anyone have a question on that or do you want to wait to the

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meeting? >> Whatever you like. >> It's a Does anyone I sent you guys a >> What's the funding? >> A summary. What? >> That's the funding approved. >> No, no, this is Yeah, we approved 250 last year. This is just to hire arterial. This is 200 of that. That just didn't get spent. The whole project

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stalled when uh director uh Weber left and we had the maril end of the year, etc. So, this is kind of picking up where it stalled with a new contract. >> And I think we're trying to get the final plan in in a in a format that will show the road restoration

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>> cost >> um cost before any kind of historic overlay because the road is utterly collapsing. Um so that that's why it it's going to be like in a different format than what was originally opposed. you know, it

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came out as here's four beautiful options and everyone was like, whoa, that's just too much. So, >> yeah. >> And they'll give us those cost estimates before they do they'll even give us the co I'm looking around. They they'll give us the cost estimates before they do the

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last work which is the the final like design engineering design for uh the 30%. So, we should get that in 60 days or something maybe sooner. Great. And then we'll come back with bonding requests, you know, etc. on how to move

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forwards. [clears throat] Okay. You >> ask Stevens to do >> we did and we'll always have that. That's a bigger conversation. >> We're talking about bonding. I mean, we don't know the precise number, but this is going to be millions of dollars, right?

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>> Yeah. I mean, if you my guess is it's the the whole entire thing. The last number we saw was around four and a half million, but remember the majority of that cost is literally just restoring the road. That is the the road has collapsed. The road bed has to be fully

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replaced and rebuilt. So, it's not like on a per block basis, it's probably just doing that is three or four times the cost of what a regular road would be because it's a 100-y old road that's never been restored. the actual, you

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know, what we put on the surface, whether it's yellow bricks or asphalt, that's an that's a small amount of the whole project >> work needs to be done. >> Yeah. And we talked to we talked to Ryan about submitting DOT the DOT grants. We talked about other types of grants that we're going to try and pursue. I think

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it was just something that just got caught in some politics over a couple years, but now I think we're focused on it in the right way and we'll try and find as many ways to offset the costs, whether it's infrastructure funding from the state, you know, that is cheap funding. etc. So, >> do we expect to get those benchmark

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numbers back? >> I I know you asked Commissioner um I'm sorry, um business administrator Gonzalez for those numbers. When do we expect to get those? >> I mean, it's under this contract, >> baseline numbers. >> It's under this contract. So, >> yeah. And the scope of work for the

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contract, that's like step 1B after kickoff meeting. So they're going to go through there were four concepts that were developed kind of highle concepts through the original phase one that happened last year. Uh there were some very order of magnitude estimates for

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those highle concepts. They're going to tighten them up a little bit >> and then there's going to be like a fifth concept that we had talked about that's going to kind of >> Wait, wait, wait. We're not tightening up the four concepts. Those four concepts are no longer >> Yeah. >> not on the table at all. Not at all.

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>> None of them. All right, >> there's only a fifth concept. >> So if this says the four, we talked about that in the meeting. We're not reviewing any of the prior four. We're just looking at a road restor. They weren't presented correctly the first time. We're just looking at a road

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restoration. road restoration with um with just the uh so road restoration with an asphalt surface curbing the stuff that needs to be done or if we don't do an asphalt surface we will do a

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yellow brick surface and that is basically the only incremental and maybe some lighting variances that should be the only incremental difference so those four there no work should be done on those four and I thought that's what we told our Tariel on the One of those concepts I mean they're not

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fully baked, right? So one of them has >> one of them did serve as the basis for one of them. Yes, correct. Like take this and change it because they were trying to use the old bricks and they were saying that they could use 60% of the brick and there wasn't anybody that

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was in agreement that 60% could even be salvage. >> They have to polish up that one that we're talking about to make that fifth concept just to be clear. >> Right. Right. Right. There's there's one concept which is just restoring the road like any other

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road in Hoboken. The things that we have to do that's the one concept what they they never presented that they never presented the changes to that as incremental to the one concept. So the one concept you Ryan Director Sharp if you were to direct the city on what we

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need to do to repair 13th Street great example we're doing it right now. everything we're doing on 13th Street and the final result, right, is going to be an asphalt, you know, milling and pave, asphalt on the top, new curbs, ADA, etc., we do that on all our roads.

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We're going to do that. We're going to do that exactly on uh Castle Point and we're going to have a cost associated with that. The only incremental difference is if we don't do asphalt on the top and we want to do bricks on the top, does something the subsurface have to be something different to support the

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bricks and the bricks? So, we would not do the asphalt. So, let's say the asphalt was 100,000. I'm making it up. That would be we would take 100,000 out and then maybe the bricks are 500,000. So, that's taking out a 100 adding 500 is 400 more, right? So, it it it's only

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that analysis. Those four were never presented correctly. They were presented as this big overall project. And that's not what this is. It's a road restoration with the potential for historic preservation on the top. And we agreed on one the neighbors and everyone

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generally agreed they want to preserve the historic nature of the street and the history of the street, but what they don't want to do is preserve the original bricks because they're broken in pieces. It's not cost-effective. It makes no sense. And so it's just coming

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up with a surface that is like a nod or an ode to the yellow bricks >> to history. Yes. >> My Yes, agreed. My point is they're they're creating that base state of good repair concept. >> One of the four plans. >> Yes. >> Okay. We got it. >> But there has to be a final version of

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that, right? Which may be slightly different than either a plain state of good repair or that the the most favorable concept of the four that we just talked about before, right? That then gets them into 30% design and you know the final phases.

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>> But it's not none of the none of the four. We're not going right. >> Right. But none of the four were the concept we're moving forward with. None of the four had yellow bricks curb to curb. The only concept we're moving forward with is yellow bricks curb to curb or pavers. Something that looks

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like yellow bricks. >> Right. Well, they're going to they're going to look at that cost, right? >> We're going to have those numbers and then collectively >> make a decision on is this what we want? >> Is this what we're going to fund? And then we're going to go into 30% design

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and that's where things will go from there. Exactly. And hopefully at that point too when we get those numbers, we can have an idea of the different grants and things that we could apply for and the timing of that. So, I know the county has open space and historic

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funds. We have our own historic uh um uh open space and historic fund um that we can use for historic preservation. There are state um grants that we can do and we should be thoughtful about and and we should be thoughtful about this. I know you guys are on everything, but because

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this project is so much more expensive on a per block basis, because of it being a hundred years old, we should [clears throat] more in particular try and find those sources. You know, spend as much time as possible offsetting the costs. >> Yeah. Thank you.

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>> Right. >> And just so you know, I thought of you the whole time. I mean, we're literally trying to get this exactly the way for you guys. Like we're all concerned and we've been in all the conversations with Arteria with these guys. This conversation we had 10 times before Ryan

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got involved again. We still haven't gotten it right and we're going to push until we get the right information. >> Council President, mine's simple. My bond's approved for Court Street. >> No, it's not. >> Oh, it's approved. You guys approved it before I did. >> $2 million including Court Street,

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Castle Point Terrace, Marshall Drive, 9inth Street, whatever. It's $2 million. No, Rob, he cut you guys off at 4th Street. I cut you at the edge of my ward. That's right. I have the bond. I want to know why Court Street and it's not you guys. I get it. >> Cuz you're not pushing it.

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>> I've asked over and over and Court Street has been a show. Oh, excuse my French. Uh, sorry. Has been a mess. >> We like French. >> Has been a mess. >> We like the French. >> Uh, it's collapsing. It's gullied. It's It's ridiculous. I mean the truck traffic I know we had stuff we had

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several meetings >> an email >> and >> no offense to your ward but my ward has been neglected on this and we already have approved bonding for this but we've had approved bonding for >> a combined but you have you have court street in yours as well working on that

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>> it's a different bond different bond >> I would like to know what the administration's doing on for me in in our the people for the people >> for the people I can tell you that yep >> but you can't get a snowblower down the back. Trust me, you can't. Let's uh >> but put put that on the radar tomorrow.

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Some emails go around. Let's see where the status of that is. >> We'll make that a priority cuz we made council point. We'll make street. >> I'm committed to doing that, too. I was >> first reading. I'm happy. >> We have amending dog licenses and other animals has been raised.

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>> What's up? >> Rabbits. >> Yep. Rabbits. All animals. Register it. >> Register my rabbit. >> Rabbits. You have two registrations. I know where you live. >> Um >> [laughter] >> Yeah, >> I don't think rabbits are on there. >> It's animals. >> Says animals. >> I don't think rabbits are

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>> Hey, get a little get a little collar for it. All right. >> I think it's cat is the other animal on that thing. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> I do have a stroller. >> Uh, city clerk and health again. Fes again. This is marriage licenses. Mr. Clerk is

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very busy. President Ramos, >> people love being in love at Hoboken. >> So, I went through the list. It includes business uh licensing fees. I went through the list and again I want to ask whoever did the increases. There is no

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rhyme or reason. Some are 25%, some are 50%, some are 10%, some are there's no uniformness of did we go 25% across the board. Like if you look at there's one that's 400 that went up 50. Then there

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was another one that went up like 50 bucks. It was 100. So like was there how did we come up with this? And the other thing is this is again I'm gonna ask the question for existing businesses. So we're asking them I I understand that

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it's only 50 25 whatever bucks but again we're asking the businesses again to pay more money. So that was the two questions on this are one is a statement. The second one's a statement. First one is how do we come up with these percentages because they're all over the place.

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>> So under this ordinance there are two parts of it. One is the licenses through the clerk's office um which are being increased by the percentage of um uh 50% and then the the other licenses through the health department are

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generally being increased by $25 to $50. the increase is different because of the type of license that's being issued. So, we did not find that issuing a license or increasing a license for your smaller businesses, your restaurants of 1 to 25

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seats, increasing that in the same um manner of $50 for the restaurants that are 51 to 100 seats was fair. Therefore, that's the difference between the $25 increase and the $50 increase. >> Okay. And then the other question I would have is we have we spoke well we can the city can do whatever they want

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and we can do whatever we want but have we spoken with the HBA on this at all? Have we conveyed that we're ready? >> I don't think so. >> No. And and I don't think it's necessary to bring this to the HBA because these are city licenses that are issued through us not the HBA and not every

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business needs to apply for them. Right? It sometimes they are just one-time business uh license to open up a business. Um they're not recurring licenses that have to be issued, >> but some are recurring on there or no >> like a temporary event if you are participating in a one-time event. Yes,

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you're going to be paying that fee every time you participate. >> Okay. I would just think that we communicate this to the HBA because they're dealing with new they're trying to streamline their process. >> I could certainly share this with with Chris so that they >> what they're trying they brought in they're bringing an outside consultant.

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Okay. >> As a part of their plan to streamline everything. >> Okay. However, you know, if he's got old outdated stuff, >> [clears throat] >> uh, and they're going to bring in new businesses, I think that it's important. While at only 50, 25, whatever it is, it's still important because, you know,

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with inflation and the cost of everything you we all know, it would be good to keep them in keep the transparency with them. >> Yeah, makes sense if it goes through. I will certainly share that with >> just one item. >> Uh, sorry. It looks like uh super supermarkets over 20,000 square feet.

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Looks like you're increasing it to $11,550. I think you just there's a typo. >> I saw the same thing. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> the comma is in the wrong place. >> 1100. >> Yeah, >> it went from 1500 to I mean the commas in the same space. There's too many

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numbers. >> Let me pull that up. >> 1155. >> Address that. >> Yep. >> It's either 11550. >> I think it's 11550 because otherwise you'd be reducing it. >> But go for 11,000. [laughter] It's a big supermarket.

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>> Supermarket. >> That 11,000 didn't include the percentages. And when I was making my uh I didn't get that far. >> You're never going to get a supermarket in the first >> Ite number three. Ordinance to amend chapter dwellings minimum standards.

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Press on that. Removing a a reserved parking spot which is already uh personally delivery. Who's the pilot? >> Sharp.

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>> Mr. Sharp, come on up to the microphone. Um, I I guess maybe I missed an email or something when we decided to change exactly on the uh on what we're doing for this. And I I think I sent a quick email just and I said I'd speak to you

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here so you can explain a little bit. I know that I want to make sure >> Greg's email uh laid it out. I didn't have a chance to read it. So, just preface that the pilot program are going to be minimal registration fee. Correct.

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>> Yes. And in the pilot plan, we are ignoring any type of let's just >> fees. >> Fees uh other than the fact that they have to pay to do this. We're moving it to six p uh PDDs. Three and three. >> So, there's three there's three fees

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potentially, right? Just to clear to clear that up. There's a there's a permit fee. >> Yep. >> Right. So, that's $500 per vendor, per operator. Uh the second fee is a per unit or per robot fee. Uh previously,

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that was $500. Received a lot of uh feedback. We talked about this, right, from uh potential vendors that might operate this as [snorts] part of the pilot and to bring things more in line with what other

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cities are charging, but also make sure that it's enough of a fee to cover the administrative costs or most of those costs that we need to operate that program, operate, but administer the program. >> We basically tried to thread the needle there and instead of 500, it's now 240

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or about $20 per month. Um, and then there's a third fee that previously was like a revenue share, right? 5% of gross billings. And there were some issues with that potentially that could escalate even to some legal issues, right? Being able to kind of reverse

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engineer uh, you know, the profits that these companies are making and that could be something that could be challenged. uh also just the nature of uh you know 5% of revenue and everything was was a big deviation from kind of

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best practice so far in this kind of new uh industry. Uh so as an alternative we put in an administrative fee and this is something that can be waved right for the pilot period. Uh, and if we wanted to include an administrative fee, it

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would be based off of different tiers of numbers of robots in circulation, right? So, if you wanted to have, you know, x number of robots as part of your initial permit application, you would pay a higher [snorts] administration fee,

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right, based off of that. Uh but we have the ability to wave that fee right now, right? To make sure that we can move forward with this pilot phase that we've been building towards for quite some time. Uh and then any administrative fee that would be included would be part of an agreement that the governing body,

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you guys would have to ultimately adopt anyway via resolution, right? So it's an opportunity to kind of negotiate things a little bit. >> So if you wave the fee, we don't you guys get the power to wave the fee, not us. >> Correct. This would >> waving the fee >> basically give the yes the

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administration the ability to wave the fee but there will still be agreements for any vendor that would operate uh a robot delivery program no matter what >> as part of this >> or permanent we'll put a fee the administrative fee in correct [snorts]

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>> sorry what was that if we make it permanent >> we can we'll add this fee >> you can still wave the fee yeah per per the ordinance at any time whether it's pilot or permanent >> you have the purview to decide through through the adop adoption of the agreement. >> This is just the pilot like

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>> correct. >> I want to just make sure that it's right. >> Did we make it six robots? >> I think we did cuz we wanted Coco and AV. I mean those are the two that we talked about. >> The number of robots must be adopted and approved by city council. >> Yeah. So I think we have control over that.

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>> Three and three. So the other question I have is I know we discussed the uh protocol or the right way of doing things with data or so I forget. Can you tell me? >> Yeah, it's called MDS. It's a way to

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effectively uh get data about where they're operating uh govern where they can operate things like that. And >> that is in here that it's a necessity to to operate in the city of Hoboken.

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>> It's not a requirement. >> It's a would be nice to >> it's something that we strongly are recommending and that's the level of detail. So again backing up the or the purpose of the ordinance right is to have kind of guidelines and guard rails

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uh so that we can get a pilot program launched and have provisions in there that will protect the city right there will be fees that will allow us to recoup the cost of administering such a program. Uh but then there are other more kind of minutia that really is

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probably best included in the agreement itself and that these are things that we're going to learn through the pilot program, right? They're just hard to predict. Um and so that would be one of them, right? We're going to have we're going to get to see what one company potentially or how they operate with MDS

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capabilities on board and maybe one that does not. And then that will give us critical data to tell us whether or not that's something that we actually want to have in a permanent program if we decide to to do to. >> So in the I just want to make sure. So in the pilot this doesn't it it's literally just what we talked about the

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fees the three pi the the three pieces these will probably be wave these other robot fees that we discussed because we have to test it. Again, I'm paraphrasing, but to make sure everybody understands is we run this pilot because if this pilot doesn't work, it's just we're wasting a lot of time and we're

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wasting people's energy on fighting back and forth on whether this works. To >> clarify, the three fees, the only one that this gives the authority to wave is the administrative fee. The third one, the $500 permit fee is a requirement no matter what. The per unit device fee of

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$20 per month is also a requirement in this ordinance, but that's significantly down from the 500. So I I find it just and for this is a statement more or less, guys. Remember these are companies that make billions of dollars and they're complaining about $500 fee to 240. Think about that. Like and that's

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me saying this. Think about that. I was like more disin I was just like I I couldn't believe that they were arguing for $250. They make billions of dollars and we're like you're arguing over 50 bucks or 250 bucks. Yeah.

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>> Me saying that guys like it's crazy. >> So just when you this is the first draft so maybe when we get to the second draft that is not 240 that's back what we feel should be market. >> In all my conversations with them I said >> permanent adoption there will be something

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>> Yeah. something more marketable. Keep in mind that this is it went back to this is going back to first reading right? Yeah. So if you go to second reading in the one meeting in August and make another change that's substant. >> I just want to make sure that we're aware of that. Now >> no at this point I think we're good. I

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think the pilot the thing is we wanted to get to make sure we >> we go when we go to if if the pilot works. >> Yeah. Then we'll >> when will we reach that road >> we have total control to do whatever we want. Right. So if in the middle of the if we we agree to move forward with a pilot and in the middle of the pilot you decide that you want to change the

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ordinance. >> Okay. >> Go for it. >> Correct. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. That's good. >> All right. CD uh 14 is referral. >> We can wave it. Yeah. >> To the planning board. >> And then NB1 is adding a what do they

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call a general handicap parking spot. >> 655. I screwed. So motion to close motion to caucus. Second. All in favor? I reconvene. And you have five minutes. >> Five minutes.

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We've all written objections if any shall be made to the city clerk. Please rise to the flag. >> Thank you. Mr. Con >> here. >> Firestone >> here. >> Fisher >> here. >> Mrs.

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>> here. >> Mrs. Le >> here. >> Mr. Presidento >> present. >> Mr. Canero. Mr. Russo >> present. >> President Ramos >> present. >> And suspend the agenda. We have a proclamation

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for one of our employees. Miss Anne Holtzman is retiring from the zoning officer. We congratulate her. Want to reward her with a proclamation. >> Come up. >> Ann and Gary, come on out. Oh,

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>> so uh Ann Holtzman is here this evening and she has served our city for 16 years as the city of Hoboken's zoning officer. Uh we had Pat Carone here at our last meeting and Ann and Pat are kind of two

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hands that have guided the city in many many many ways. as a zoning board commissioner for eight years. I saw an and her work. Commissioner Grana is here. We worked together. Uh Councilwoman Fischer and I were on the zoning board. Uh every now and then

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there would be an appeal of a decision that an made and inevitably she was upheld and uh and her hard work and and it's not easy to say no to people who have big projects, hard projects, and even little projects.

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>> But Ann an an was good at it. Ann was good at it, especially now. [laughter] >> And Ann was so good at it because she knew the law. She knew the rules. She knew the code. She knew it inside and out. She didn't just do it for the zoning board as our zoning officer and

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the planning board as a zoning officer. She also was our flood plane administrator, which is also with all the resiliency issues and all the flood issues that we have in our city. As the flood plane administrator, Ann had a huge responsibility. A lot of the successful projects that we've seen in our city are directly resulted uh from

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Ann's hand in that and she was also the administrative officer with respect to the Hobok and planning uh preservation historic preservation commission. So she was working on historic preservation. She was working on flood plane. She was working on our zoning on planning and as our zoning officer she was a very very

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very busy person yet she always had time to answer my questions. I know that when my colleagues had questions for an she made the time to address them. She was never too busy for us. So the city of Hoboken has been blessed to have you here for 16 years. We wish you and Gary all the best with your next phase of

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your life and your careers and wherever things turn to you. And we have this proclamation from Mary Jabbor recognizing your work. Congratulations. [applause] [applause] say a few words. Dan, would you like to say something? >> Um,

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>> here. Why don't you >> Okay, I think [laughter] >> you don't have to. >> Um, no. I just I want to say thank you to all of you. Um, just keep it up. >> Keep it all going. Okay. >> I've worked too hard to have it all fall

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apart. >> Don't worry, I'm still >> Congratulations. >> You have my number. >> So, I think we'd like to take a picture. Gary, why don't you come up here? just add one one thing about Ann real quick >> is that >> whatever you want. We had a uh one of

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our our committee meetings regarding zoning issues and many council kind of like speaking over each other and director was speaking over each other and Ann just came in with a very calm voice and she like just said it really councelor Russo was on the call councly

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said why don't you guys just do this I said the voice of God has spoken that's what we're going to do so it was like she just she just got rid of all the riff wrap in that meeting so I really appreciate her calmness and dealing with our issues who's in town. So, thank you Ed for your service. Really appreciate it. [applause] >> Thanks for everything.

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>> Thank you. H. That's it. Got a room. All righty, Mr. Clerk. Let's do our ordinances for second reading. >> Hearing on an ordinance amending redevelopment plan for the southwest rehabilitation area.

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>> We have no public speaker signed up for this item. >> Motion closed by the portion. >> Second. All in favor? I >> I >> I members of the council >> call it >> council call a vote >> Mr. Con >> I fly >> yes

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>> Fischer >> yes >> Mrs. Imus >> yes >> Mrs. Le >> yes >> President Zano >> hi >> Mr. Canero >> I >> Mr. Russo >> I >> President Ramos >> I >> hearing on an ordinance authorizing the sale of [clears throat] project and

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transfer of payment in le of taxes agreement on block 99 lot one and lot one quail quail X from CLPF Jefferson urban renewal 2000 Jefferson apartment urban renewal uh no more members of the

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public sign to speak motion to close the public >> close public portion >> second all in favor I >> members of the council Um just want to say just for all of our uh tenant groups um we always do think

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about rent control and with this change we actually ask them to affirm commit that they and acknowledge that the building will be subject to rent control at the end of uh its 30-year exemption. And we don't often have that, but we took the opportunity to do that to make

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sure it was very clear and and the the new owner was aware of rent control, etc. So, >> it's a it's a good thing. >> Call vote. >> Mr. Con, >> hi. >> By Stone, >> yes. >> Fisher, >> yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes.

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>> Mrs. Leen, >> yes. >> Mr. President, >> I >> Mr. Cano, >> hi. >> Mr. Russo, >> hi. President Ramos I >> hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 190-11 entitled loading zones to add

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loading zone to third street and amend hours of loading zone on Madison Street. >> Uh Mr. Vance Michael. Thank you. Thank you buddy. >> Good evening council. Uh Jim Vance, thank you so much for letting me speak to this matter. Um yeah, loading zones

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are important as we all know. Um I don't have to go through the litany of of reasons, but uh we have delivery trucks parking in crosswalks, delivery trucks parking in in bicycle lanes, regularly delivery trucks parked every place they

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can. And the reason is the curb isn't properly designated. Um, I support this ordinance, but it's it's doing one one loading zone at a time is no way to do

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business. No wonder the budget is so crazy. Um, it's been um a matter of every time you want to do a loading zone, you have to go to committee, you have to go to engineers, you have to do all sorts of nonsense and it's nonsense. We have a curve study and the curb study

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is really pretty comprehensive and this council needs to stop doing things peace meal and start paying attention putting together u an analysis of the curb study or not an analysis but but uh civic

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meetings on it and get it implemented because we need loading zones desperately all over this town. we need to do something about uh making sure that we can do it in a in a reasonable, thoughtful um financially sound way. So,

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stop the one ordinance at a time and let's get on with this this study. [snorts] And I think the city council, if the administration isn't interested in moving forward on the on the um curb study, then this council should put together a resolution demanding that

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happen. So, please vote for this. But this is craziness. Thank you. >> Thank you. Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion second. All in favor? >> I call vote. >> Mr. Con? >> I. >> Stone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Zyus. >> Yes.

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>> Yes. >> President. >> Hi. >> Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> I. or hearing on an ordinance amending the chapter 192 parking for persons with disabilities to add reserved ADA space

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on Park Avenue speak to close public >> second all in favor >> call a vote >> Mr. cone. >> Oh, can I just >> This isn't that one. >> I had a question on that. This is the

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very last reserved ADA spot. Correct. All right. I just want to make that clear because of the moratorum. This one was in process before the deadline. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Mr. Feststone. >> Yes. >> M. Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Len.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Presidento. Hi. >> Mr. Canero. Hi. >> Mr. Russo. Hi. >> President Ramos. >> Hi. Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 190-9 entitled stop street designate

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designated to add multi-way stop controls at various intersection. Mr. Vance >> there's one across the street. >> Jim Vance. Thank you again. This is this ordinance which was put together by the administration

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um is right on target with regard to vision zero. Uh we need to do everything we can to make the town continue to work for everybody. Um the the four-way or three-way stop signs as it

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might be um are really beneficial and I really uh encourage this council to move forward with it. Thank you so much. >> Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion. >> Second. All in favor? >> I call vote. Mr. Con.

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>> Hi. >> Mr. Firestone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Leen. >> Yes. >> Mr. President. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> I. Our remaining items for second

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reading will be carried to our August 12th meeting. Those items need to be referred to the planning board. We are now on resolutions. >> Resolutions for public comment. >> No, we're on public about the three

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going on the planning board. >> Let's let's vote on Sorry. Can we vote on on the CD1, CD2, or CD3 at the same time? >> Yes. >> Yep. >> Call a vote. >> Mr. Con? >> I fly stone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes.

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>> Mrs. Le. >> Mr. President Zano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Rama. >> Hi. >> I passed 11. >> Yep. >> Just in case. >> Uh, members of the public, we're now on

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our consent agenda or resolution portion. I3 is being carried. So let that [clears throat] I3 is carried and we have members of the public decide to speak on the castle

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point repair resolution. Uh Jenny Rossini. >> Thank you. >> Hi. >> You have five minutes, Jenny. >> What? >> You have five minutes. I will members get >> I won't need that long. Um hi everybody. I'm Jenny Rini. live on Castle Point

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Terrace. Uh I am urging the council to approve this resolution. Our [snorts] street has not been touched in over 100 years. It is collapsing with trenches, pits, poles, and uneven curbing that have already injured residents. This project has been delayed since 2018. And

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when the pipes were were replaced in 2023, we were promised the road would be repaved. That never happened. The priority here is simply getting our street into a state of good repair. work [clears throat] that has been done on almost all other streets throughout Hobok and regardless of the final paving material. Please approve this resolution

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so we can finally have a path forward. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Roseanne Versace. [snorts] >> Thank you. >> Good evening. Roseanne Versace, Castle Point Terrace. Um, I'm probably not going to say anything different than everyone else's, but um, I think it's

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important for the residents to speak on on behalf of uh, this resolution. Um, on November 28th, 2018, we had a meeting um, regarding this specific issue. Uh, some of the notes that I took were project moving quickly. January 16, 2019

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would be a council meeting. May construction depends on funding. Um, one of the other issues was retain the yellow brick, repair the curbs with granite. Granite curb is original and retain the sidewalks. Since then, we've had multiple meetings, Zoom, etc. Conversations with council people, and

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we're still at at an an impass here, and the street is just worse and worse. If you have not uh taken the opportunity to go view it uh in person, you would see that it's buckling. There's there's stones that are are missing. um the work

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that was done to uh to pave the areas that that were uh broken up when they did the the water man uh repairs and and other issues are blacktop and it's it's really it is not just an eyesore it is so dangerous my tenant face planted and

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injured herself severely many people have have injured themselves or come close to injuring themselves so I urge the council to please support this resolution Um, our block is is is very important. It's a historic block, but

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but not just that, it's where we live and we want to be able to to navigate it safely and have people that come up there navigate it safely and I think we've waited long enough for something to be done. So, I appreciate your time and as I said, please support this resolution. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Eric. >> I can read it. [laughter] >> Eric. Hello, Eric Schnebulk. Longtime uh family Castle Point resident. Do not come to this building that often. Um as long as I've lived there, my family's been there for 60 years. That block has

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never been touched. It's long overdue. I think uh advertised over 100 years is probably the best deal the city can get out of that block. I think it's time uh we put some love into it. I drive around the city, I see multiple blocks getting repaved multiple times. I think it's

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time u to basically give us some energy. Our block is not notorious for complaining or coming here. That might be also one of the reasons that we don't get any uh attention, but I think that's changing. Uh it's a danger to um elderly and I think it's a liability as well. So

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uh please um put forward this resolution and I thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you, >> Barbara. Hi, good evening. Barbara Cassulli. I'm here representing my family and my mom who has lived in that house on Castle Point continuously since 1965.

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And as the other folks have said, to none of our recollection has that street ever been addressed. The situation continues to deteriorate. It is dangerous. I personally have fallen um have injured myself. My mother who is 88 is on that street all the time. She is

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walking as best she can and it is a risk to her health and her life. So please move this forward. Get this street fixed and do what is right for all of us. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> That's it. >> Okay. I'm representing this on my family

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vicram and swap no ry. So we want a road where we can walk and drive without fear of injury. Where my dog can walk without spraining his foot. And where my grandmother isn't scared who is disabled. We don't care if it's yellow, black, green or red, brick, cobblestone

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or asphalt, historical or modern. We just want a functional road. And right now we don't have one. And this has been a cause for many years. Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion. >> Second. All in favor?

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>> I members of the council >> on resolutions. >> Yes. >> So the the Rockefeller ones if we can pull all those the Rockefeller the CD ones. Yeah. We're trying to figure out a way to get bird glass language into this

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amendment. >> 10 112. Right. >> CD9 10 112. >> Yeah. And director Brown Arlene is actually talking to Rockefeller and their attorneys in the hallway right now to try and figure this out. [snorts] >> And I want to talk about council point.

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>> Yeah, that's T4. T4. Yeah, pull that. >> Sure. >> That'll be consist. >> All right. Call the rest. >> Wait, wait, wait. >> Hold on. >> Wait, wait, hold on. I think there is one more. >> [clears throat] [snorts]

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>> Um, CD7. >> CD7. >> Yep. [snorts] >> That's it. >> Call vote >> on consent. Mr. Con? I >> stone. Yes. >> Excuse me. Miss Fischer. >> Yes.

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>> Mrs. Yes. Mrs. ation [snorts] >> legislation. >> She said yes. >> She said yes. Mr. >> Presidento. >> I. >> Mr. Canero. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> No. On other pay and overtime pay for both payrolls and no on I1.

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Yes on the rest. >> President Ramos. >> I. Let's start with T4. Members of the public are here. Councilman Imus. Am I allowed to change that or no? I >> voice. So um you know again I am urging everyone here to support this

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resolution. This project started in 2017. Uh we had meetings in 2018 1922 23 uh funding provided taken away um you know and and as everyone here has said

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in the meantime the road has continued to degrade. my 86 and 90year-old parents, I have to walk behind them ready to catch uh when we're walking on the street. So, so I um again we are

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keenly aware of of making sure this project proceeds in as cost effective a manner as possible. Um but you know as stated this is one of the this this has not been touched in a hundred years. Well, roads around us have been regraded

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and mil and renovated at least three and four times in my 35 years um that I've been here in town. So, I uh am just asking everyone to please support this. Thank you. >> Thank you. Call a vote, Mr. Cler. >> No, I'm sorry. I apologize. I apologize.

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>> Um I'm going to support this ordinance or this resolution today. Uh but just want to kind of clarify some things. one, I think this is an example of when you don't maintain um your infrastructure on a regular basis, the costs pile up and and we see that with our um uh our water manes and

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a bunch of other things that we've, you know, put aside in town and you delay delay delay and you're you're met with a huge price tag. When it was first introduced to this topic, the sticker shock was real. Uh and my understanding wasn't presented to us in the best way. So, uh, which was $4 million to to

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repair two blocks when the average cost for milling and paving one block is 150,000. So, you can understand how there's some apprehension on this on this days. It's an average. Okay. >> A little low. >> Uh, yes, there's a lot more involved here though. And so what we're voting on

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here is there was some funding approved uh few years ago, $200,000 to do this review and study to give us the the understanding of what's the kind of minimum needed to repair this and put in the state of good repair and the dollar amount associated with it and what's

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kind of the max if we do some more bells and whistles. My understanding is we're going to narrow the scope of that view down and we're really focusing and my focus is going to be on really just getting it to that minimum state of repair. obviously want it to look nice. We don't want the town to look bad, but we really want to make sure that it's

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cost-effective. And some folks who were wondering whether, hey, you know what, what if we just cancel this? We h this money has to be used for an infrastru uh soft uh costs on infrastructure projects. So, it's not necessarily funible. We can't use it to like, you

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know, fund youth sports or something. It has to be used for something like this. So, I agree. I've been on that road a number of times. It's terrible. At first you see it, you're like, "Oh, it's nice." And then you look at it again, you're like, "Oh my god, that's terrible." Uh but, you know,

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unfortunately, it's probably going to cost a lot of money to fix it because the underlying issues underneath the the the yellow uh uh sets. Um but we're paying to find out exactly how much we need to spend. I'm committed to to, you

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know, getting it into a state of safe safety. Um and we'll just see where we go from there. So, >> Council President, yeah, go ahead, Phil. >> Go ahead. >> Thank you, Council President. Yeah, I mean, uh, un unless we know what needs to be done and what it's going to cost,

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we can't take the next step. And this money is set aside for us to understand exactly what the repairs are going to cost and how and what needs to be addressed. And I guess as Councilman Cano said, there's many different ways that it can be fixed. And clearly in a

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year where we are pressed financially, where we're really trying to be conservative with money spent, uh, we're going to have a hard decision [snorts] to make at some point in the future. But that decision isn't tonight. Tonight, we're just approving money that we can't

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put anywhere else in the budget. Can't borrow this [clears throat] or spend it on anything other than the kind of work that this has been slated for. I'll be supporting it, but I know that all of my colleagues are going to want to look to see what the results of this study are so that we can see, you know, what is

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the Chinese menu for lack of a better expression of what are the options, what it would cost, and you know, what's the best way to do it. And I know that the city is also going to be, we talked in our caucus about whether it's possible to get historic grant funding, other

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sources of funding. Uh, and I know the city's going to be aggressive about trying to identify those sources of funding and hopefully they're successful so that when it comes time to make that hard decision, we'll have some help uh from bigger pots of money than the

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taxpayers of the city have open. Thank you, Council President. >> Thank you, Council President. >> Councilman Fischer. >> Yeah. So, um, familiar faces. Uh I have worked on this uh since 2017 when Castle Point was still in the second ward and after the redistricting

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it got moved out of the ward. Um I still worked with Jen when Jen passed away. We continued you know the dialogue on this. Um, what I would say is the difference between where we are at this exact second and where we were a year ago is a different administration, different

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politics, and really just a commitment now to looking at things through uh a more rational um lens. And so we've been able to move this forward with the support of the administration with with Ryan Sharp, Director Sharp, who's not um here right now really with uh Diane kind

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of, you know, stepping in to be the major um advocate for her ward. Just so happens that she's on the block. Um she's been at every one of those meetings in the past. But what I [snorts] would say is um we're committed, the two of us being the closest to it of making sure that our

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city council colleagues have all the information they need to support the restoration of the road. Really the one thing that will be a policy conversation is what is the surface? That's the only difference. I think as someone one of you guys or all of you pointed out when you go around the city of Hobok and you

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see all these roads being repaired, right? We've tried to get the focus to be this is just a road repair with possibly yellow bricks on the top, right? This is literally like nothing. Everything else in Hoboken, it's just the cost of this road repair because it's a 100-year-old road with a, you

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know, a road bed that is has to be fully rebuilt. The costs are so much greater. Um and so we've tried to kind of reorient the conversation to make sure that what comes out of this and I think everyone at the deis I'm confident everyone will be supportive of the

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restoration of the road. I I'm confident I I think it will be a 90 vote where I think we may um pivot or not pivot where we're where there's more potential for less support is if the cost of the bricks are $5 million, right? And you

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guys probably don't even want it if it's $5 million. So anyway, we don't know what that number is other than it's a lot less than the cost of the actual road restoration. We're going to get those numbers hopefully in the next, you know, with this contract hopefully in the next, you know, by the end of the summer. So, we'll have more information,

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but it is moving forward and I want to thank everyone for being supportive uh tonight. >> Thank you, Council Pisano. >> Yeah, sure. >> Hey, I'm first. >> First ward, correct? >> First word. There you go. I also want to remind the first ward, many of you know that Court Street is just as bad. hasn't

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been touched in a very long time as well. And due to some politics of the last administration that's kind of been pushed to the side, don't worry. I'm going to argue that if we're going to do Castle Point, we have to do first to fourth on uh Court Street because that's

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just as bad as Castle Point. Walking down our street, people fall all the time as well. So, you're not forgotten. I want to make that clear. Sorry, only Castle Point. You know, your street I got to talk for the first word as well. Uh unfortunately you guys did fall into some politics that the bonding happened

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for up to uh St. Peter and Paul's church ironically and then the last piece of fifth and sixth and castle point was lpped into uh uh the never neverland let's put it that way it didn't happen and I think there was some policies involved but new administration as

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council um woman Fischer said uh but I'm also going to be making sure that as we look at this that court street actually does happen in a smart and responsible manner where we're not detouring traffic all over the place and causing more problems in the city. Thank you, Council Musa.

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>> Thank you, Council President. First, uh I'd like to thank Councilwoman Fischer and Councilwoman Immus for reinvigorating this conversation. Uh it did fall by the wayside uh for a couple years there. So, big thank you to both of you. Uh one of the things that I always kind of harp about is is the cost

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of of things, right? But on the flip side of that is is being decisive. We need to be decisive on decisions and and bringing this forward in a way where Councilwoman Fischer spoke about in our caucus earlier about looking at this as just another road repaving, right? Let's

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get the bare minimum tackled right away. Let's be decisive on that and then we can figure out what the top layer looks like. That's where this administration, that's where this council, that's where this entire city needs to start moving so that we can move things down the

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field uh as as we as we go through different projects. So, I'm 100% supportive of this tonight. I can't wait to see what it looks like. I can't wait to see what our options are. So, I'm very happy to be supportive. So, thank you ladies. I appreciate it. >> The road needs to be done. So, we have

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to support it. It needs to be redone. I call vote. >> Mr. Con. Hi >> Mr. >> Thyeststone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Imus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> PresidentO. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos.

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>> Hi. >> CD. >> Are we right away on CD9? Director Brown. >> You want to do CD7 first? >> Yeah. Are we okay? CD7. >> CD7. >> We'll do CD7 and then we'll talk about the Rockefeller ones if that's all right. >> CD7. Yeah. >> Councilman Fischer.

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>> Yeah. Uh, I just um what what CD7 is is how we allocate our CDBG funds and I'm really excited about how the money is being allocated to so many deserving uh nonprofits in our community that help um the requirement

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is the ones that help our more vulnerable populations, whether they're youth, whether they're seniors, whether they're disabled. and it's, you know, it's a a list um that includes our, you know, some of our best nonprofits. Um, but one of one of the entities on

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the list is actually the city of Hoboken and they have earmarked $70,000 towards the um the HVAC system, which is going to be a significant cost to the city at the multi-ervice center. And I I said this in the last meeting and I'll say it

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again today. I'm very disappointed that these dollars that are meant to be earmarked for to me anyway for our local agencies is being um allocated to the city of Hoboken. It doesn't move any needle in anything we do, but it would

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have made a huge difference in any nonprofit. Every nonprofit we could have given um more money to. So, you know, on that, I know it will be supported tonight, but on that, I'm going to vote no on this because I think just from a principal standpoint, we shouldn't be

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taking CDBG funding um funds away from our uh local nonprofits. So, in call vote, >> Mr. Con? >> I stone. >> Yes. >> Fisher, >> no. >> Mrs. >> Yes.

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>> Mrs. ation. >> Yes. >> President >> I >> I he said I >> I sorry >> I >> Mr. Russo >> I >> President Ramos >> I [cough] [clears throat] >> CD9 >> Rock Yeah. Rockwell >> Dr. Brown

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>> Dr. Brown. Um so we we paused it. Uh first of all, I'm very appreciative of what he's going to describe, but we paused it. You know, I'm I along with uh Councilman Cohen um were both the sponsors of the Berg Glass ordinance and

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um these buildings in particular, we miss we miss the boat on, you know, several that are already underway. These buildings in particular are so close to our waterfront and they're so tall and so much glass that they're just in the

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pathway of migrating birds. And if we are ever going to kind of fight and advocate to have developments have the, you know, ultimately have bird glass in it, we want to make sure that these in particular will um will have it. And and

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what we our our ordinances had language in it thankfully um because Chris knows it's been an important issue for me. Jason Tufel knows been an important issue for me. um it had language in there for bird study. It just had this uh tied to

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certain dates and the dates basically expired. And so with this amendment again, every time someone comes before us, we should be thinking what do we want from them, right? And we have an amendment in front of us that we need. What? >> So I'm actually So we had a conference

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outside with Councilwoman Fiser, a representative Mark Sher from the Rock from Rockefeller Group and um council Jason Tuvel and our corporation council um Arlene Q. Perez and we um we came to um an

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agreement on language in for for that we're going to add to the first uh to the first amendment for each of the four agreements. I'm working on it right now. >> Okay. >> Um and I and after I'm done like I literally just finished the text and what it's going to say

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>> if you just say it I think we can vote on we can vote on as amended. >> Second reading ordinances. >> I don't Well, yeah. Yeah, I I think you I think it has to be attached to the packet in order to form like I can read it out to you now. It's essentially just taking out section 17 that we looked at

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and it's uh basically saying uh the um redeveloper shall be obligated to abide by any burglass ordinance adopted by the city within we changed it to from the effected date. We said within one year of the effected date of the first amendment of the redevelopment. We have

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basically a year um we have a year I mean we're going to get it done soon but we have a year to do it and they'll be subject to it and that's >> and as a note to the clerk I'm going to be just sending all of these documents to you all in the next uh 10 minutes and then what we should probably do is >> can we vote on it?

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>> We should probably push it back to maybe second to a little >> after the first we vote on it. You can you can wait a little bit. Make it easier. Let Chris get it in so we have it and then vote on it just for everything else. You >> have until the end of the first reading.

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>> I'm just going to keep going. >> We have new business too. Type away Chris. >> All right. >> Let's go to ordinances for first reading. >> Thank you everyone. No problem. GD2. >> All right. >> Ordinance for first reading.

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Ordinance for introduction to amend chapter 93 dogs and other animals vote. >> Mr. Con. >> Firestone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. L.

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>> Yes. >> President. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> No. >> President Ramos. >> Hi. Orange for introduction amending chapter 95 entitled dwelling minimum standards. >> Call >> Mr. Con.

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>> I stone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Zus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> President Zano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Canero. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> You skip number two. Mr. Clark. >> We skip number two.

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>> Number two now. >> All right. Sorry about that. >> It's okay. An ordinance amending chapter 190 to 128-6 entitled permit to modify license fees issued by the city clerk and health department.

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>> Mr. Con? >> I fish. >> Mr. Firestone. >> Yes. >> Miss Fiser. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Simus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> President. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> No. >> President Ramos.

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>> Hi. Number four, >> Ordinance amending chapter 192 parking for persons with disabilities to remove ADA reserve space on Jackson Street. >> Call vote. >> Mr. Con. >> Hi. >> By Stone, >> yes. >> Fisher, >> yes.

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>> Mrs. Imus, >> yes. >> Mrs. Le, >> yes. >> President, >> hi. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos. >> I introduction on an ordinance amending chapter 190 title vehicles and traffic

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to establish establish regulations for personal delivery devices and related devices. >> Call vote. [snorts] >> Mr. Con. >> Firestone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. Yes,

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>> Mrs. Zyus. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes, >> President. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos. I for introduction announce of the city of Hoboken amending

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chapter 36 177 and 196 of the code of the city of Hoboken incorporating intoxicating hep law permit cannabis manufacturing in the I I1 and I2 industrial zones and

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updating certain administrative procedures >> Mr. Con. >> Hi. >> Stone. >> Yes. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Zyus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> President Jano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Canero. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo.

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>> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> I. And CD14. Referring uh that item to the planning board. >> Mr. Con. >> I. The Fly Stone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs.

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>> Yes. >> Mrs. ation. >> Yes. >> President >> I >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> I will suspend the agenda to go to new business NB1 and MB2. >> If we can vote with them at the same

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time. >> Mr. Con. >> I. >> Firestone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mr. Zyus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> President. >> Hi. >> Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> I. Public portion. Mr. Click. You have

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the speaking list. >> Yeah. >> Got it. >> Patalina sign up. Pat will everybody know me where I live. 10 years in December.

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This law br this person told me you have the plaque. So going to be Christmas present for me. If you have the plaque the thing in the back. Then

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I was here in February. You presidented the committee you said in 20 days from now the story change all the time I know what's wrong I know I

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know who give order Marian this one just in case said the name go all this cons general he told me in December before Christmas yes soon as you got the plate you're going to get that's going

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to be my my Christmas present to you. I don't need a stupid deal. I want to know the truth. I know the truth. I know the people receive order not to do. Okay. After the

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Ram saying 20 day the same day you pass >> not your turn. >> Your turn. Pascalina, please continue. I apologize. Please, I'm sorry. >> I have a right to get mad. I see f of people. I see one story every day.

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Marian, this other one, the lawyer, he tried to steal me money. He cannot steal money. So you want to try to give me aggravation? this other lawyer Lenny Lar he told me he told me when I

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went in his office I said you're not with me give me the money back 80 years late and he told me Lloyd you understand the law tell me how many other pro you

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think I have how many other pro that's need the be some different story. The other lady said when I ask you why you said the plate I got the plate effort of the plate. What else you want?

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>> So >> what else you want effort of the plate? >> I know. >> You think I'm stupid or what? >> If if I if I may respond. >> There's no picture of you just >> listen. In 10 years I did everything and I find a lot of thing. I find out how many people you order.

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>> She wants to respond. Let her respond. >> Respond. So my understanding is that your application is almost complete. We are actually just missing the payment. There is a $130 processing fee that we need. >> Oh my god. I give thetorial 10 years ago

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two time. They send me back. I should You want me to go home and get the paper? I send back. They send me back and I send it back. I know one of them. I need a park. The last time about 3 years ago my ordinary god a lot of

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people be paralyzed ordinary god it got to happen got to happen because I'm a frustrated I show the people one guy say well we don't know the rent control that the business of 40 years

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with this >> thank you pascalina we're going to go to our next go to our next speaker now okay your time's up we're going to go to our next Speaker Elizabeth Adams. Going to go to our next speaker. >> So, how many more day I got away with the food? >> $130 she said. Uh, >> yep. >> That's that's the last party application. Elizabeth Adams.

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>> I have everything. I have >> this. Elizabeth, just need the check. You don't know the fact. You don't know yet. >> I think Pascalina Pascalina, >> if you don't mind sitting down, we can address this after. >> I'm

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one hour. >> Thank you, Pascalina. >> Thank you, Pascalina. >> Thank you. >> Good evening. Tonight, I would like to begin by giving an update on the of the ongoing bus lane blockage issue of which

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I had previously spoken at the June 17th, 2026 Hoboken City Council meeting. Only last Wednesday, I experienced the same scenario on 12th and Washington Street with the same delivery vehicles

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blocking the bus lane outside of Napoli Pizza Restaurant. However, this time around there was a nasty twist to the proceedings. >> When I, as I did the previous time, began to inform them regarding blocking

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the bus lane. Instead of saying nothing, as they did last time, one of them, their spokesperson, arrogantly voiced the following statements. What are you, the police?

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We work here. There is nowhere else to go and mind your business. First of all, it's interesting to contemplate that the statement of we work here implies that their employer

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and/or manager is not only aware of the situation but participates in it by allowing it to occur. As to the statements of what are you the police and mind your business? While I

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am not the police, I do happen to be a citizen and therefore safety, not only my own but that of others, will always be my business. As to the statement that there is

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nowhere else to go, while that may be true, a more workable solution should be found. In any event, that is the ultimate responsibility of the owners to do so. To do otherwise, as they have

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been doing, is to disregard the law. To incentivize these owners to find a solution to this problem sooner rather than later, perhaps in addition to the police, the Hoboken parking utility could be pressed into service to issue

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summones to the offending parties. I believe that this would go a considerable way towards remediating the problem. I would also like to comment regarding the young man who is the owner and proprietor of the green room here on

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Newark Street. He is not only operating within the parameters of the law, but doing so in a manner that is polite, considerate, and respectful of the surrounding area. Compare and contrast this demeanor to another nearby

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establishment that attempts to lure customers by tackily blaring loud music with a loudspeaker positioned by a door that is propped open, including during daytime hours. And the displays a

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sandwich board exhorting passers by to come in, say hi. spelled hi gh. Is this the image that Hoboken truly wishes to convey to visitors to our

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city? Not to mention to children and young people. Perhaps the zoning board should properly concern itself with a riding herd on these types of establishments as opposed to honorable and respectable business people who are

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not only endeavoring to conduct an honest business but to be of genuine service to people seeking relief from various medical issues. Businesses such as the green room therefore should be encouraged and not

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discouraged to remain in Hoboken. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. Uh members of the council, you should have received an email from the city clerk with regards to items CD 9 through 12. Uh Enrique Herrera

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going council members, council president. Uh I just wanted to pass this around and I'm just going to have a copy for myself. Is it possible? Um, >> thank you. >> Couple of them. >> I spent some creative days in the last couple days passing these out to the Hoboken Police Department by means of

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leaving them on their vehicles. Uh, in a way of protest uh that I've posted about various topics, not just Neuralink. Pretty much in essence, I um I commend the FBI Richmond office for really going

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forward with the deep fake post on their website. So I reposted that. Yes. And when I didn't get any traction there, I started going around. I even went to the degree of going to Hoboken Police Department to express my concerns to Detective Mecca, um, who was not in that

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day or any other of the mornings that I went there. Uh, special agent Ian Kaufman, the one in charge of this defake operation, has expressed and posted about that where I want to call that out that it's not just about

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defakes. is about the advancement of technology that would lead to airdropping materials like that um into either a neural net or neural link material into any human mind um the advancements of which I've

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discussed in previous city hall meetings and um yes it is something that I have side I put a lot of things to the side to actually come forward about these certain experiences is involving [snorts] deep fakes and neural links and

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prediction scale tech and everything like that. Uh I always come here just to express the simple fact that we need public inquiry and I hope that I am taking ser I'm taking seriously as I continue to pursue this and collision course this to the very end. I hope that

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uh Emily Jabbor mayor can actually speak to me about it and maybe even hold some sense of joint press conference on the matter. Uh through my time using uh the social media app, I've seen a shadowban take effect. I went from 3,000 followers to 229.

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I was skateboarding. This was a primarily skateboarding account. This was something that I used specifically uh to skateboard until August 24th, 2019, 3 a.m. when I started my campaign uh against this

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technology. I found it at the spa. I found it in some sense of scioptic behaviors that didn't necessarily require technology uh which is in violation of the Smith months act of 1945 and the amended act of uh 2012 which involves

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that if I am the only one correct about this to encourage public inquiry making that um making that a situation where I am not heard because the majority chooses in favor of the technology to be a one-man army me to be one against

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everyone. It becomes a problem when it's pretty much attempted murder in terms of character assassination, etc. Uh, that being said, this account is reachable. This is something that I do post. See, people have said I'm an AI. People said I'm not real. Pretty much real and

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everything like that. But I was puzzled by that. People walk past me on the street. People didn't respondse to my messages. Every email that I've said sent out was something that I didn't get a response to. So I jokingly made a

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joke. I'm now AI 128 real time Enrique Herrera. I'm no longer human. I will see if I could transfer over and maybe then I'll get a response. Maybe that was the case. I started becoming comical about it and maybe um you know open mic might be a better option. But all the jokes

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aside, this account is reachable. And from presidents to special agent Ian Kaufman in FBI Richmond to Emily Jabbor, mayor, we should um we should all meet up and see if we could talk about how we can

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proceed with a more aggressive campaign against deep fakes, a neur misuse in the working school environment and uh maybe how we can finish off with bridging the gap between airdropping material through a neural link whether or not it's AI generated or not into the mind of a

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human for torture or pleasure, etc., etc. Let's get some public inquiry going and get this on the road. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Patricia Waiters. >> Thank you, >> Patricia Waiters. 15 Church towers. I wasn't going to speak. Like I told you, Mike, I'm sitting there trying to be as

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nice as I can, but I'm speaking tonight. First of all, that young lady that been coming up here for years and getting emotional the moment you called her name, council president, you thought it was comical, Mr. Cohen. Okay, you are not only an attorney, you don't carry

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yourself with dignity and respect. It's disgusting. It is disgusting because see, our town has become so vulnerable and that's the only reason we keep getting elected officials that think it's a joke that don't care about us. I

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I'm glad you did that tonight to show your true colors because people watching this and for you to go in your ward and try to disenfranchise members of Hoboken against me is disgusting. I promised them I wouldn't give names, but when I

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was signing in court, y'all challenged me to keep me off the petition. The very next day, you knocked on doors. We was in the building at the same time and you got Ailen and all of them upset calling my house cuz you told them don't vote for Pat Waiters. Don't write her in.

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See, I can't make this up. And it's sad cuz I walk the streets of Hoboken with my head held up real high. Real high. I'm not going to be the next Leroy Truth with him and his family going through in Union City and everywhere else where y'all coming after me and my family.

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I'm a threat and I'm not even trying to be one. I'm stopped and approached by rich, poor, black, white, OLD HOBOKEN, NEW HOBOKEN. THEY KNOW path waiters and they feel my frustration.

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How dare y'all challenge me and did not challenge this very same election that got us Emily Japor? How? How do we really got to make noise in Hoboken? Cuz a person like you feel with Superman written ON YOUR CHEST FEEL LIKE

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YOU can't be replaced. If you can't be replaced and want to run an honest clean election, stop knocking on doors slandering my name. Aen was crying. I had to call her grandson almost had a heart attack. You standing in them old people's door

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begging him cuz you know the housing authority is vulnerable. Y'all pick y'all friends to put them on the commissioner board and treating us black people that way. Oh, they poor. They don't have money. They'll be out of here soon. We making fake buildings. The

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building going up promising them they're going to get a unit. How dare y'all? Y'all got kids. Y'all got that lady is somebody's mother, somebody's grandmother, and you laughing at her. [snorts] Now, this is for each and every

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one of you. And I already shared it with the business administrator. This is the correct way to get a handicap space. Not because you somebody's friend, not cuz you want to vote cuz the election is slowly approaching. This is the process.

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This is timestamped from today's date. And I want to share with all you. This is the It's not like it used to be where you could go get these blue things. And I'm quite sure everybody watching this can see it. This is the original

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process. See that motor vehicle? They send you this pink folder. It got to be mailed to you now. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And this is today's date that came today. This is a letter from their doctor from the state of New Jersey. The next highest is the county which is

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Patricia Logan. Okay. This is the process. SO WHETHER YOU LIKE me or not and I qualify and I'm sick and I need a place to park other than I don't like her, she pat waiters, she don't deserve one. Mr. Anthony Romano, remember he even went to the county, she don't

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deserve one. STOP PLAYING POLITICS WITH THE PROCESS. OKAY? And that lady wouldn't be standing here crying. You back to being the chair, right, Miss Fischer? When I was there, too, you was the chair with me when I served. But y'all took Gina Dio and kicked me off.

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BUT I DO THE PROCESS. I DON'T NEED POLITICAL FRIENDS. I do the process. Okay? And it don't even come in the mail. I'mma share this with you, council president. Okay? Cuz we want things done right. I don't care about nobody's political influence. Did you get my emails? Each and every one of you with

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the incident with my daughter's car being toll. Did you get it? Here you go again. Taking a known disregard. Did you get it when my son got sped on? I'm still waiting for the director and the mayor. These issues that happened to me and my family, I want them addressed.

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Whether it happened under Bala and ignore, I'm telling you again on a public portion. I want it addressed, Joe. I'm talking to each and every council person. Okay? And I sent y'all an email and did it the professional way. I don't need y'all influences. Do the things the

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right way, okay? Don't hijack ME AND MY KIDS from living here in a good job and a good career cuz I'm not on the side of the gate with you guys. I do what's right. I'm waiting Director Gonzalez, with all due respect, for an appointment

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again, cuz this is serious. Please take me very serious, especially after the incident with Mr. Cohen here that find everything comical. You laughing, but you crying in the inside. That's what a weak man do. >> Thank you, Pat. >> Have a good day. Thank you, Pat.

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>> We're going to go to motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion. >> All in favor? >> I >> We're going to go through CD9, CD 10, 11, and 12. >> Yep. >> If she's Oh, sorry. >> She's good. >> Yeah. >> Just one >> in the email. Well, if you literally

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just open one of them, there is a new uh section five and they basically amended the bird study paragraph that already existed where previously it said we had a window between the effective date of that agreement last January or when they

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submit to the planning board um to uh uh to approve a bird ordinance. What this does is it changes that window starting today and just gives us a year to do it. So you we may or may not, you know, we can decide if we're going to approve it,

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but it gives us more time to actually do it. And Rockefeller has said they're already committed to, you know, working on putting um burglass on it. So that's that same language is in all four. >> Thank you. So we're going to vote on CD just Thank you, Council President. Uh this is in the fifth ward. Uh, I want to

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thank Rockefeller not only for including this amendment and being cognizant of our >> friends and Councilman Fischer as well. I would want to ignore you. >> No, I was like, it's in the second word, too. Two of the buildings. >> Okay. >> Thank you both of you. >> So, thank you. And, uh, but I also want

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to acknowledge their efforts to help the businesses in the neighborhood. There's a surface parking lot that we've been working with uh, and we're hoping to get that done by the end of September. And uh in fact during the meeting tonight I got an email from and responded to uh

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business owner uh who was anxiously wanted to get an update on that. So, I wanted to let him know that not only is uh is Rockefeller working with us really well on getting things moved and by these amendments today, we're we're basically letting things go forward in a

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way with the planning board that is helpful to Rockefeller and they're supportive of these things and we're trying to work with them so that it can move expeditiously in a way that does not create additional delay or additional cost uh on what is a large project. So, I want to thank them for their working with the city. I also want

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to thank Director Brown and the administration and our outside counsel Shashana uh for putting in a lot of time on these efforts to get this stuff done. So, thanks. >> Yo, >> thank you, Council President. You know, I just I voted against the the original

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agreement because I wanted more parking in this plan. Uh I still stand by that. I still want more parking in this plan and all the plans across the city. what this comes down to and and the fact that it was kind of negotiated here again at the last minute to make sure

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that we had the full understanding of the commitment to make sure we had the bird glass in the project. It comes down to those priorities, right? Priorities that are really important to me. One is parking, right? The other one is is union labor, right? Those are the things

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that I think we really need to start to push in all of these agreements. Another really, really important one for me is affordable housing. We've been talking about affordability in the city of Hoboken for years now. Affordable housing, affordable housing, affordable housing. Those are my top three

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priorities. Union labor, parking, affordable housing. I'm more than happy to support Bird Glass. I'm more than happy to support more open space. I'm more than happy to support bike storage. All those things are great, but it's about priorities for me. I will be

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supporting these tonight, but I do want to make sure that I'm on the record stating that my top three priorities are affordable housing, parking, and union labor in these projects. Those are three really, really

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important things for me. And if other things have to take a side uh conversation, well, then so be it. But those are the things that I want to see moving forward in in development agreements across the city. So, I'm more than happy to support them tonight. But just wanted that on the record. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilman.

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>> Council President, can I few moments? >> Yep. >> I kind of want to parallel a little bit off of what Councilman Russo said. An agreement took place, and nothing against the birds, I'm not knocking

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this. Um, took place in a matter of 30 minutes, right? But yet we can't get our rent control stuff under order at all. With 30 minutes, we got a burglass inserted into

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a last minute piece that the planning board may or may not say yes to. And yet we consistently say the same thing over and over. Uh we're here for affordability. We're here for rent control. We're here for this. And this goes along lines, I think, about priorities as we sit up

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here and and many of many of my colleagues and uh have said in just the past election, affordability and rent control and making sure our laws are enforced. We have a very difficult time walking and chewing gum. And

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but we just had an example of something that was accomplished in 30 minutes for something that isn't even passed and we got that done. But we can't fix some of the basic problems that we have in town. Whether it be double parking, whether it be stop signs, whether it be uh a

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budget, restructuring, uh whether it's uh getting everybody registered in in Hoboken, whether it's going to be licensing dogs, you know, I mean, we just don't what's that or rabbits. Uh but, you know, again, I think that's a

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very good point that he said, priorities. We just got something done in 30 minutes. But we every week we sit up here and we make laws that aren't enforced, but yet something was done in 30 minutes with a very [clears throat] big project that was agreed on. So, I

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just think that my colleagues the rest of the year and into next year is that we got to wake up here and that if we can get something done like that that quick and yet we can't fix the structural problems of the city where we can't enforce our own housing laws. We really got to rethink things and what's

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the priority of us sitting up here? Because if we don't if we don't address those priority issues of rent control or the other pieces of affordability, what are we doing up here? So I just want to bring that to light for my colleagues to understand that that that

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was done in 30 minutes >> and we have a lot bigger stuff on the table with priorities I think. >> Thank you. Council call vote. Mr. Clerk, >> we're voting as amended. >> As amended >> as amended resolution CD9 through 12 all together. Councilman Cohen

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>> I. >> Councilman Firestone. >> Yes. >> Councilman Fischer. >> Yes. >> Councilomanus. >> Yes. >> Councilman Lac. >> Yes. Councilman Penzano. I >> Councilman Canoi I. >> Councilman Russo. I >> Council President Ramos.

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>> I. Motion to close the meeting. >> Motion favor. All >> in favor? >> I mean joured. >> So >> good night everybody. >> Good night everyone. >> Augusta um Take