That's amazing. Yes, I am. You're better off, by the way. >> Oh, so what does this mean? >> All right. >> I read the number the other sign. >> Yeah, I'm not.
My understanding is that this is a rental car. If this is the right [Applause] >> I would like to advise all those present that notice of this meeting has been provided to the public in accordance with the provisions of the open public meeting act and that notice was
published in the city website. copies provided in the Bergen record Ellis specialy ledger jersey journal and also placed on a bulletin board in the lobby of city hall. Written objections if any should be made to the city clerk.
>> Please rise for the salute of the flag. I >> pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one nation indivisible andice for all.
Mr. Con here. >> Mr. Fischer >> here. >> Mr. Jabore >> here. >> President Zano >> present. >> Mr. Cano >> present. >> Mr. Ramos. Mr. Russo >> present. >> President Doyle. >> Mr. Ramos is present. And I'm present too. >> Everybody present.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Mr. Fina. Um, >> so um, we're >> Anybody sign up for ordinances? >> Oh, all right. Okay. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. We have a hearing on an ordinance amending section 154-3 notification of vacancies to require documentation of previous rent payments adding section 155-1.1
proof of previous rent paid and amend section 155-2.1 and 155-4 and 15530 to require documented proof of previous rent pay.
>> Thank you, Mr. Fina. Uh, somebody named Anthony K has signed up. If you could is are you signed up for this >> this one? Okay, then we'll if you could uh tell us and spell your last name.
>> Uh, when you come up, that's fine. Counciloman Fischer or I I'll sign up. >> Not signed up for the right thing. >> Tell them what the issue. >> This is rent control. >> Tell them the issue. I Well, I asked him if you signed up for this, which is what you >> He doesn't know. >> So, M um Anthony K, are you signed up
for rent control? >> No, not for rent. >> Okay. So, then you're not signed up for this. >> Correct. >> But please identify what it is that you're signed up for so that when we can call you. So, Mr. Boyd, would you please come up >> if you would so inclined?
>> Hey, Ernest Boyd, Marine View Plaza. Um, as I said a few weeks ago, this is this is a no-brainer. I'm here with Hut, but of course, as everyone knows, I'm here with Marine View Plaza. So, this would ensure that previous rents would be required for our landlord to to to to
like disclose. We know that our landlord at Marine View Plaza has nothing but contempt for the rule of law. He has contempt for the tenants and I think he probably has contempt for you all as well. So, um, this would this would make sure that those who get new apartments
in Marine View Plaza, um, would not face rents that were jacked up by the landlord because we know that, um, he or they are gunning to do that. Um, so if you care about Marine View Plaza, you don't have to care about me, but I just
ask that you care about the children there, their parents, as well as the elderly and those who would like to find a new apartment and expand their families. And this would this would ensure that their rents wouldn't be jacked up, that that
like Hoboken would still be able to house middle class and working-class folks. And so we at HUT believe that for these reasons it's a no-brainer. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um Anthony, just so you're aware, there's a
different signup sheet. There's nothing on the clear program on the agenda on the this agenda. So we can you can either sign up on the public portion of the comment and we will get to you. Uh or we can keep track of it here and
remember that later in the evening. Uh thank you. And it was Ernest Boyd. I I've forgotten your first name. Uh Rosemary Markle. Uh you signed up for 8:18 but you don't.
>> Okay. 8:19. Okay, thank you. Uh, Zachary King. >> Thank you, council. Zachary King with Hoboken United Tenants. Um, so as you know, we came together around saving our rent control laws uh last year and a
vast majority of the voters in Hoboken voted to save our rent control laws. Now, after we did that, we talked with tenants. We started getting the lay of the land, figuring out what was going on, and we found out that we're not really able to enforce our rent control laws because right now, when we ask
landlords for uh what rent they're charging, we just take their word for it. We don't actually get a record, any kind of proof that we can validate to say what the rent is that's actually being charged. So, like, what good is it to have rent control uh laws if we can't enforce them? So, this law is a is a
no-brainer. I'm so glad that you voted unanimously to pass it on first reading. Um, we obviously need to actually require landlords to submit proof of the rents that are being charged. Um, now, we understand that because of the burden on the rent office, uh, because of the
the extra labor that would be required, we're not going to be able to check 100% of the rent controlled rents being charged. Um, we're not going to be able to check all of them. we're going to be able to check 10% of them, which we're, you know, as HUT, as Hoboken United tenants,
we discussed this at length. We talked about our positions. We voted on this. We're an open democratic membership organization of tenants across Hoboken. you know, we talked it out and decided that we could accept a a 10% check, we think it's not perfect, but given that this is a start towards actually
enforcing our rent control laws. Uh, and given that we've also asked we we think that it would be great to actually publish have some transparency around the findings if we're checking like let's figure out let's tell the city what are we finding. We think that it's a really good step in the right direction towards hopefully making this
easy, digitized, and bringing some some transparency, which I know something I've heard you all care about a lot. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you, Mr. King. Matthew Velesquez. Did I miss the pronunciation there?
>> Good evening, council. So yeah, usually I come up here with like a persuasive argument, but like at this point, you guys already unanimously voted to yes on the first reading. It's 10%. It's not a big ask in the rent office. It's something that will actually enforce rent control. It's something that we fought for in Hoboken. Hoboken spoke up
and said that we want that. And if it has no fangs in the books, then what's the point of even having rent control? Is it just, you know, a spirit of rent control or the the gist of it? Like it doesn't make any sense. So it's easy. It's a layup and there's no reason that we should not pass it. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Velasquez. Elijah Conlin. >> Uh hello everybody. Uh my name is Elijah Conlin. Uh thank you very much for letting me speak before you today. Uh I'm a recently a new member of HUT um Hoboken United Tennis Union. As you've heard from my colleagues before, you
know, this is a no-brainer. This is something that can alleviate uh some of the burdens that Hoboken uh Hoboken people are feeling every day. Um you know with rising rents is going to happen but at least give us transparency. At least let us know why rents are rising. At least let us know
uh that we're in good faith with our landlords and that they are working with you guys and everything is transparency. Um you know 10% it's small in 10 years we can get the whole city through. That's great, but um we need to work towards that and I want to see you guys
work towards that as there's a lot of people my age that are coming into Hoboken that are trying to uh live in this world and try to navigate the bills and having a landlord that doesn't speak to them about what's going on isn't conducive and it's not going to work for
Hoboken. So, I'd really like you guys to, you know, step up, put through, and pass this. And then maybe we could work further to, uh, take on next steps to bring forth, as we said, transparency. All we want is transparency with you guys and transparency with our landlords. And I think you guys are on
the right side of it. So, I'm hoping to leave here happy like you guys. But, uh, thank you again for letting me speak and have a good night. >> Thank you, Mr. Conlin. Uh, Patricia, do you know which which one you want to speak on? Is it
>> okay? >> I want to thank you if it's real because it's near election time. Y'all lie about everything. Um, I'm here to support this 100%. There's only one issue when they said transparency. You got a lot of landlords that's not going to furnish that information. But fortunately, I'm
that one asks the tenant that's getting ready to move in there. You all know by now, and I'm going to say it again. Yes, I'm proud that I do live in Church Towers, but I'm a watchdog for all the other affordable housing in this city. Okay? So, if you vote on this, I want to make sure you guys enforce it, too.
Also, let the landlord know we not playing. And I'm coming at you because it's ridiculous. When somebody move out and according to this legislation here, they cannot just say yes or no. They cannot charge more than 25% of the previous person that was paying rent. Am
I right? Somebody living there paying 450. They can't charge over 25%. >> Yeah. This is this is not changing the vacancy deontrol percentage, but which is your what you're describing, but this is just providing proof of prior tenants.
>> Right. So, I'm the landlord and I'm going to show you my document that a new tenant is moving in. Okay? I'm showing you the document. He's moving in next week >> and I could just give any random crazy price to this new guy that's moving in. >> No, you can't. >> Okay. Thank you. That's what I'm saying.
See, sometimes you got to talk simple language cuz y'all throw in codes and think people crazy. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> Okay. So, I'm here to protect this. Thank you. >> Manuel Rivera Solair. Thank you, Council President, Council, members of the public. My name is Manuel Rivera. Uh, Council President, of
course, as many of the um other members of the public expressed that they are in favor of this, I would say obviously. So am I. But as a member of the public and a renter, I would like to know if you could help
members of the public because it wasn't discussed too much on the last meeting, the guarantees that um the rent leveling office would have or the rent control office would have enough personnel to attend these matters. Verifications
because you're going to need more personnel. a better uh uh trained uh office with better equipment digitalized information so that the public can easily access it in the portal
city's portal pardon me. So, it is important that these questions um get a little bit of an answer for members of the public this evening so that um renters and uh landlords, private mom and pop landlords who seem to sometimes
um also um get the uh burden of proof. Um, you could also explain to them in regards to if something isn't delivered on time, if something isn't um correct, as it's um noted in each individual
sections that you are amending um that they could have a chance to um correct this at a timely manner without any um due burden on them financially. um as well as checking the uh larger
pardon me the larger corporations to also maintain the standard of timely submission of these pardon me I think I lost my voice of these uh papers
or these forms and with that I will yield because I lost my voice thank you council president >> thank you Mr. Rivera. Um, Eileen Caravalo. >> Sorry. We got a lots of
>> everything's lots of responsibilities here. >> I know it's hard. Good evening, council president and council members. Uh, my name is Eileen Kavalo. I'm from One Marine View Plaza. I'm Excuse my voice too. I'm also a committee
democratic committee person for one two. The tenants in Marine View Plaza would come to me and ask what is done to protect us and help us out uh for our rent control in Marine View. We have reached out to different council people
here and I do thank councilwoman uh Jabbor and council person um Quentano for drafting and posting this tonight and I hope that all the council people here tonight will vote for this to help us out here. Um, this
will help us out tremendously because as you know, we have a lot of empty apartments in Marine View and as they will be rented out soon, this will protect them. So, thank you again for this tonight. >> Thank you, Eileen.
>> Um, Mr. Reyes, I think you've signed up for the loading zones. Is that correct? Ernie Reyes is It's not time yet. I'm sorry. But that's what you were signed up for. Is that correct? Thank you. And then Andrew
Wilson. Uh did you >> Same thing. Okay. Thank you. So that uh no other members of the public are signed up to >> close public portion. >> Second. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> All those in favor, >> Mr. uh council members, Mr. Fina.
>> Yes. You want to go first? Mine's brief, but go ahead. >> Okay. Um, thank you, Council President. Uh, some people describe this as a no-brainer. I I agree. I think it's just common sense. Uh, we have a we have a very small number of
people who work in our housing division who manage uh compliance with respect to rent and enforcement of rent control. And there was an amendment that was made to this to make it more efficient. And uh there's a concept you know of
spotchecking that I have in my work when you go through uh records on a big litigation you know where you know it doesn't make sense for your client to have to fund uh lawyers going through every single page in order to understand something but if you go through a
reasonable percentage of the records you can spot problems when they exist and you can find problems when they exist. And I think what this amendment here which is which allows says that not less than 10% of the record. So it could be more but it's a minimum of 10% of these
rents have to be reviewed uh by the office which I think is reasonable. Uh the other thing is is that up until this ordinance goes into effect uh it was not required for the past rent charged to be disclosed
>> by the landlord to the rent uh office to the housing office and I think this is that is a significant omission. A number of people had talked about how we have fought to protect rent control in Hoboken. This council was active in that
fight. I worked on changing the uh interpretive statement of the referendum that was supposedly uh to help affordable housing, but in reality it was created by landlords and who were hellbent on uh denutering and uh the
protections of rent control and making sure that for a $2,500 payment you could buy out and get market rents in every unit. And uh there was a deceptive description of that interpretive statement. Uh we reworked that statement. It was approved by this
council. We were threatened with a lawsuit by people at this microphone who said we didn't have the authority to change the interpretive statement. They never sued. We changed the statement. The people spoke because I got accurate information what was on the ballot and
by a margin of 2 to1 they defeated that misguided referendum. And we stood by this. This is a a way of making what we have on the books more uh transparent uh to give the information that the rent office needs that they can do their job
well. So I think this was a good revision. I know there was some concern when it went when it left the table to go back for revisions that maybe there was a suggestion that the council wasn't committed to this. I want to thank Councilwoman Jabor and Councilman Cano for uh for taking the lead on this and
introducing it. And of course, I will be in full support. Thank you, Council President. >> I think you're right. Thank you, Mr. Cohen. Uh, Councilwoman, >> yeah, my mine's just brief. Um, I agree that this, you know, this shouldn't be a heavy lift and if anything, um, it
should make it easier for the rent control office. Um, if the landlord just says, you know, here's my prior lease, um, which 99% of the time they should have a lease, um, it should just be easy. they have the document, they can provide it. It makes calculation easy.
Um, I would say two things. I I do disagree with Councilman Cohen, not entirely. Like, conceptually, I think doing a review um is important. I think that this um didn't actually factor in
any input from our rent control office, and this is an operational burden right now, and we just don't have the resources. So, um, I'm going to vote yes tonight, but I would I know that this won't be enforced anytime soon. And I would hope that we have an opportunity to kind of look and and decide what this
really can be, what it should be, and what resources that we need um in the future. So, I but other than that, yeah, just being able to um just being able to provide this information I think is positive. Oh, lastly, the one the one
thing where I think our you know um that what I I think there's unintended consequences. There's unintended consequences of this that haven't been thought through. Um
when we changed the rent control law a couple years ago, um what we did is basically said whatever the last rent is is now your current rent rolling forward. And it's although in theory makes sense, there are situations where it doesn't. We had a neighbor I was
talking to the other day, they've had, you know, a family member renting at like literally $300 or $400 a month for a long time, um, five or six years, and that family member just passed away. So, they're just getting ready to rent it to not a family member. and they went to
the rent control office and um were told that, you know, the rent that they gave to a family member of 300 or $400 a month is actually their base rent, which doesn't make any sense. So something like this um I think we just need to be thoughtful about that unintended
consequence that that does um happen and we we should think about how we navigate through that and come up with a better solution. But otherwise, I'll be supportive tonight. >> Council President Zano. >> Thank you, Council President. Uh, Director Brown, I have uh two questions
for you if that's doable. >> Good evening, >> good evening. >> You know the rules. Don't touch >> Don't be touching the microphone. >> I was just hoping that it would I don't know. It didn't go up at first, so I gave it a prompt. >> It a little on the spot questions
because that's just what I do. >> Sure. In the city of Hoboken, we have what 25,000 units or somewhere close to that or more than that out there. Rentals. >> Sure. Okay. >> Rough. >> Roughly. Yes. For sake of the conversation. Yeah. >> Of that, if you had to take a gander,
how many are rent controlled? >> I don't have I I don't want to speculate on that. There is a number. I'd have to go back and >> Okay. No, it's fine. And how about that? >> How about how many do we have registered for rent control? That's below 2,000, right?
>> Obviously, the number of units that are registered for rent control are less. It's less than the number of rent controlled units if that's the conver if that's where you're what you're asking. >> So, we should probably get the basics right before we start going and changing laws every couple weeks. I mean, again, I I
this is fine with me here, but our main goal if we're going to actually enforce rent control laws, we need to know what's rent controlled and do what we have to do. Now, I know the rent office has been diligent in trying to go street by street, but it's been a very difficult process. Um, I'm concerned
about the 10% adding extra work, but uh I do want to I just wanted to ask you that that thank you very much and I'll I'll reach out to you on that. I'd love to get to know that. Um I know I've asked and it's kind of it's been a h we think it's here, we think it's there.
I'd like to get something more concrete on that. >> Yeah, we we have a number. >> Okay. Um, I just don't want to give you a speculate of just based on memory. Um, >> fine. >> Here on the spot. >> That's fine. You've been very open with me and and I appreciate that. Thank you.
>> Um, I do want to correct one thing. Uh, Councilman Co. No, you're you're good. I don't want to ask again. Councilman Cohen, uh, I do want to correct you because I'm one of those landlords that have my unit that I lived in when I first came to Hoboken. You do have to put the rent on your registration when you put it in SDL. And then if you raise
the rent the next year, you do have a track record and you do have to also upload your lease every time. So I just want to correct the record here that landlords that do file every year have to put the rent on there. So there is a little bit of a track record there.
Again, I maybe it don't I only know this because I register every year, but again I just want to make sure that we're getting the facts straight that you do have to put your rent. There is a little box that says rent charged. Right. Okay. >> You put you put the number in, but you don't provide
>> I provide a lease, which is a legal document that has a le it that has a signed by my tenants that are that's a if I lie on that lease and I get sued, I'm screwed. So, I'm just saying that I'm not against this. I'm just making a point that a lease is a legal agreement
that in a court of law, which you guys know better than I do because you're lawyers, you can get sued for. So, I'm just saying I'm not against this. I'm just saying a correction on the SDL. When you fill out your sheet every year, you have to put your rent on there >> for your tenants. Thank you,
>> Councilman Cano. >> Uh yeah. So, Council Person is right. If you put down on a lease and submit it and you lie, uh then you can get sued and this will empower the city to sue you because then we'll see the evidence that what you put down is actually what you collected. And that's the whole
point of this ordinance. So, I appreciate you uh supporting uh the cause here. Uh and really that's what it is. It's allowing us an enforcement measure. Um we did collaborate uh with the uh uh rent office and got input as to kind of what the burden would be. Uh
and working with uh director Brown, we determined um it's really about averaging out to about five uh units a day when you look at the 10% the audit. Uh you wouldn't have to do this until the registration period begins. And they don't have to do it right away. They can plan it. scope out their time and budget
their resources so they can get it done. Uh but the point again is to get the evidence and be able to check and and empower us to enforce the law. So uh thank you to Councilwoman Jabbor for uh her leadership and support and partnership on this and thank you for uh
the rent office and and and their support and their input and thank you for the the housing advocates uh for their input and support as well. >> Mr. Fina, please call a vote. Mr. Con. >> Hi. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jabbor.
>> Yes. >> President. >> I. >> Mr. Cano. >> I. >> Mr. Ramos. >> I. >> Mr. Russo. >> I. >> President Doyle. >> I hearing on an ordinance authorizing the city of Hoboka to implement the
5-year exemption and abatement law granting t tax exemptions for certain improvements and construction of residential dwellings. certain improvements to uh multi- uh dwellings, certain improvements to in industrial
structures and certain improvements to commercial structures and all within the city of Hobok and readopting the existing audience granting such exemptions. >> Thank you, Mr. Fina. Uh Rosemary Markle,
>> could you lower the mic? Um on this 8/19 it's a tax abatement for 5 years. Um and nowhere did I see does it say how many buildings will this affect? We'll be able to apply for this and this does not
help the taxpayers of Hoboken whatsoever. Do we really need to have all these tax abatements? So it can go for 820 so you don't have to call me again. I I just find that we do these tax abatements, the city gets most of the money and we still get a ridiculous tax increase. The schools get none of it
and within these last two years we had a 25% tax increase from the school board. I mean, we have to be fiscally responsible. I'm asking you to really consider these tax abatements. People want to build here. They don't need an incentive. Thank you,
>> Rose. The 8/19 is permitting us having that exemption. So it's it's just giving us permission. It's re-uping and then 820 is doing it in one location. So 8 >> but 819 is for who? How many?
>> No, 8:19 is for >> allowing it to happen. >> Allowing it to happen >> broadly, >> but we will have to come they will it will have to be brought before this by >> so I'll have to read to make sure we don't give any more tax bait. >> Okay. I'm just trying to answer your question. Yep. Thank you. Um,
that's Yep. You're correct. No. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> All right. >> Mr. Fina, please call the vote on >> Mr. Con B 819. >> M. Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Jabore.
>> Yes. >> President. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. Mr. Ramos I >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Doyle. >> I and Councilman Cohen. Hearing on an ordinance of the city of Hobok and approving tax exemption in accordance
with 5-year tax exemption abatement law NJSA4A col2-1 and authorizing the execution of a tax agreement with 38 Jackson Street LLC in connection with the property identified
on tax maps as block 6 lot one qualifier CO103. Three. >> Thank you, Mr. Fina. No members of the public are signed up to speak. >> Yes. >> Okay. Miss uh >> Council President Patricia Wade is 15
church towers. Um for tax abatement, just this is for clarification purposes only. Regular owners of their home, they can't get an abatement. Is there a procedure they could go through to get an abatement? And do store owners get this?
store owners. Can store owners apply for this or a person owning their home? Mr. Ramos, this is your thing. >> I'll let I'll >> Well, it's I'll I'll respond. >> Okay. Yeah. So, you that's your question? >> No, cuz I'm just saying like he owned his own, right? Enroll. Perfect example.
Do can they apply for a tax abatement >> in a redevelopment zone? >> It's possible. Yes. >> And you guys, the city council got to deem it a red a redevelopment zone. >> Correct. >> Okay. That's correct. Well, >> and did she qualify >> in a zone?
>> Could we redevelop her zone? >> I don't know where whether she's in a redevelopment zone or not. >> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. We're all set. Mr. Pina, please call the vote. >> Oh, no. Can I just explain? >> No, go ahead. I'm sorry. >> Public comment.
>> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> We got you, Jim. We got you. >> I just want to Trisha confused me. No, it's it's okay. I just want to >> confused and Pat. >> Yeah, >> there you go, Mr. Russo.
>> All right. >> Okay. Ramos, thank you. >> I I just want to clarify that the abatement is not for the entire block of 38 Jackson Street. The abatement is specifically for the grocery store that will be going at the location of 38
Jackson Street. And and and the reason why going to number ordinance number two for tonight is that space where the where the grocery store is going is going to be a condominium space. That's the only way it will qualify to to be uh be considered for a tax abatement. So
it's not the entire building. It's only for the grocery store. And that is uh what we've learned looking for a groceryer for the past two years when the building was under construction. uh what was needed to be a grocery store within Southwest Hoboken where they have
they have data where you know 90% of of the city of Hoboken residents they walk east they're walking away from from the grocery store. So this is to uh entice a grosser to to come onto the property and I think in the next couple of days because of this we're going to have very
good news in the next couple of days that Southwest Hoboken will no longer be a food desert and have a groceryer within Southwest Hoboken that we're excited about. So, this is going to help make that happen. >> Thank you, Councilman. Uh, anybody else? Mr. Fina, please call
the vote. >> Mr. Con, >> I. >> M. Fischer, >> yes. >> Mr. Jabor, >> yes. >> President Xano, >> I. >> Mr. Scantero, >> I. >> Mr. Ramos, >> hi. >> Mr. Russo, >> hi. >> President Doyle, >> I. >> Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter
190-11 loading zones, days and hours along Washington Street. Thank you, Mr. Fina. Um, Rosemary Markle. >> Okay. I think this is a great thing. Not complaining about it. Just have a question. So, to to to do these loading
zones, I'm assuming we have to take some more parking spaces away, correct? To have them. >> No. >> Yes. We're taking the ones away on Saturday and Sunday. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> They're not currently loading. >> Insisting. It's just changing the time frames though on the existing zones. >> It's adding it's adding Saturday and
Sunday as a loading zone where right now it would be parking on every weekend on all of them. >> Parking spots. >> It is absolutely taking it is not it is a loading zone that is allowed to be parked in on the weekend that this is
taking away. It is taking away >> no new space question >> new allocation of time. Right. >> Okay. >> No. Great >> times and days, >> not new space. >> Again, though, it's a weekend which would be taking, >> you know, I I understand. I'm just
trying to clarify. So, >> I don't want to stand here and argue. It's a great thing that they can get their deliveries, >> but if we're taking away parking, >> we're taking away shoppers. >> We're taking away. >> Where are they going to where they getting the shoppers from if they have no place to do this? Things need to be
thought out a little bit more with all of this stuff. That's all. I'm not It's a good idea. They need this to unload the merchandise, but the people need someplace to park, to shop, or wander around, maybe have lunch, whatever.
That's all. Thank you. >> Thank you, uh, Manuel Rivera Solair. >> I think so. >> Once again, good evening, council president. Council President, I would like to see or ask if council president could designate a council member to
better explain this uh B 821 to members of the public that did not get clear the answer that was given to uh the prior member of the public. And can also council member elaborate on
the reason why these loaning zones are needed at this moment in time. Is this to also alleviate the situation in regards to the um cameras that are installed in certain areas of
the Washington Street. uh as well as again this might be for later in consent agenda but >> the reasoning why the estipple I always try to say that word correctly but I don't know how to say it correctly but that's what I got council
president >> rather than de delegating it to somebody else there's a parking space now that has time limits you can the delivery time is from x to y it's being changed from something other than X2Y and and
Councilwoman uh >> currently it's currently designated as 8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Monday through Friday. This will change those hours from 6:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. Monday through Sunday
with the exception of one area that goes from 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Monday through Sunday. >> And this gets updated from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Sunday. So if you look online,
you'll see the times that they currently are and the times that they're being shifted to and it's expanding the time within which deliveries can be made. >> Right. >> Right. It depends. >> Okay. >> That is appreciated, Council President. >> Does that clarify it? >> Yeah. Well, I hope it does for members
of the public as well because not everybody could get uh >> I'll recline, but the two o'clock ones are also being extended as well. >> Thank you. >> 2 o'clock until 6 o'clock. >> Correct. Yeah. >> Um
Ernie Reyes. Hello, council. Council President. Uh hi, I'm Ernie from Ace Hardware. Uh business continues to decrease. Uh businesses are hurting. I know mine is. In the past few days, we are down over 20%.
The fact that we have AI cameras, AI surveillance cameras on Washington Street for loading zones and bus stops and double parking is something that will haunt us all. These cameras are built as simple license plate readers,
but they are far more sinister problem. It's the role of surveillance tech in law enforcement. These AI cameras continuously record people's movements, often without a warrant, probable cause, or even reasonable suspicion.
Your driving history is rarely confined to the town or city where the cameras are installed. It's typically shared with thousands of other agencies nationwide secretly. Once the data is out of your community,
you have no control over how it's used or who will see it. One company similar to Automotus, which is the city's vendor that this has happened to is Flock Safety. Flock has had many municipalities break ties with it and
cancel contracts. These include Austin, Texas, Oak Park, Illinois, Sedona, Arizona, Norfolk, Virginia, Scarsdale, New York, and Evston, Illinois. The Institute for Justice has called it
warrantless mass surveillance. Flock has partnered in the past with federal immigration and homeland security agencies. They have also had bogus searches such as police using these cameras to stalk
ex-girlfriends. One Virginia man found he had been tracked 526 times in just four months with Hoboken designated as a sanctuary city. This is problematic. This is problematic.
These cameras snap photos of every car as they drive by and upload them into a database. Officials can use this database to go back in time and create maps of where people have been, where they tend to drive, and even who they tend to meet up
with. All of this happens without a warrant or even probable cause. But the Fourth Amendment doesn't allow the government to set up a surveillance state. If the city if if the city wants
to track suspicious people, it can do it with the police. M Mr. Reyes, I I know you're >> I know you're a smart man. >> It is about loading zones because the loading zones >> nothing to do with loading. Yes, it does because the loading zones are being
policed by the cameras, the AI surveillance tech cameras. And we're moving the times of the loading zones because to accommodate the cameras so that they can issue more tickets and >> No, >> no, that is not the
>> Oh, then why are they moving them? Illuminate me. >> The change in the loading zone hours is in response to businesses that have asked for additional deliveries. I'd like to see the other businesses that are here in support of the loading zones being extended. >> 100% the motivation behind >> where are they? I I'm the only
businessman here tonight besides some other lawyers. >> Please finish. >> May I finish? >> Yeah. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Um >> it is more tickets though. >> Excuse me. >> It is more tickets and more ticket revenue. >> It's more tickets. And who are giving these tickets? The cameras are giving
these tickets. So it's definitely part of this. The Fourth Amendment doesn't allow the government to set up a surveillance state. If the city wants to track suspicious people, it can do so with the police and get a warrant like the police have
always done or give a ticket like the enforcement people have always done. This program was started incorrectly with zero participation from businesses, no permission from the state. It has not even been passed the law correctly
because it should have been passed as an ordinance and not a resolution. You're killing a living and breathing downtown just has been stated previously. Thank you. Thank you. Andrew Wilson.
Thank you. My name is Andrew Wilson. I'm executive director of Hoboken and a Hoboken resident. um here to speak speak in support of expanding the loading zones. Um I don't know whether I should address the fact that these cameras are not AI. They do not track every uh car
that goes down Washington Street. They simply take a photo of a car when it parks and it takes another photo of the car when it leaves, sends that to the city. Um that's all it is. So um as far as the clear program, uh let's be
extremely clear about what it is. I I would be remiss if I asked Mr. Reyes. >> I'll be very brief. >> Well, it's not the time, it's the substance. But I I mean, I'm not going to tell you you can't speak about it, but the only reason why >> changing the times of loading zone is
not approving cameras for >> correct. The reason why we're talking that are stalking people >> because of the clear program, right? >> Okay. All right. I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> The the clear program uh is not changing any laws. It's simply enforcing laws that we already have and it's working
very well. Our bike lanes are significantly more clear. Bus stops are more clear. Buses are moving quicker. Um laws are being enforced. Um and this is very good for encouraging visitors on Washington Street. Um I understand why Ernie's upset. I understand why business
owners are upset. They used to be able to double park on Washington Street for free um and get away with it and now they can't. Um in addition to that, they need more places to do loading, right? So, they need more availability for freight loading. They need more availability for short-term park
parking. And this ordinance allows that. Um, so where do we go from here? Right. So, I think that passing this tonight is a great step forward. It's a show of goodwill from the city council that care about businesses. Um, and also means that uh we can continue using this
program, right? Because we know that this program is working very well in keeping our keeping our community safer. Um, I would also ask for you guys to um explore new opportunities to encourage turnover on Washington Street. Right. One of the issues uh why businesses
depend on these loading zones is because people park on Washington Street for a really long time. other cities who have been using this program such as Fort Lee, Pittsburgh, uh Atlanta, they also integrate pricing models into the system that are effective in increasing
turnover by up to 53% which is also helpful in resolving this loading zone congestion issue. Um so please pass this ordinance. I think it'll be very helpful for the business community. It's going to help keep uh Washington Street safer. Um and thank you for your consideration.
>> Thank Thank you, Mr. Wilson. Uh, Anthony K. And if you could spell for me your last name. >> K O Z I K O WSKI. >> K O Z >> I K O WSKI. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you so much, Mr. President. I'm sure you guys remember the last time I
was here, I was asking you to help me out with a local business. I was concerned that Whole Foods was coming. And when I asked you guys to help me out with that, I was informed about the limits of local government by the same government that locked down an entire city to preserve the interest of fizer. Now
that same government is deploying in its loading zones a mechanism of unlimited surveillance. So there's a lot of hypocrisy here. Now the situation is I know that these bills work slipped in and a lot of council people were deceived about the whereabouts of how
these cameras are being deployed. I begin every conversation I have assuming the intelligence and goodwill of the people that I'm speaking to. Unfortunately, when I find out that campaign contributions from these companies have went to these campaigns to get these cameras up, I can no longer
assume your goodwill. So here's the reason I'm here tonight. It's not to ask for your goodwill because I think it's been bought and sold for. The reason I'm here tonight is to inform you that we're not going to stop until every citizen in this town knows why those cameras are up and every citizen in this town knows
that its government is working with big corporations in an attempt to surveil its citizens more often. I understand this is a micro microcosmic problem that's being discussed at a microcosmic level. Our businesses are being crushed by these policies. And if you go into
your souls, I'm sure a clear bike lane is not as important as people's ability to shop for groceries. If we had advanced parking decks in this town, you could add 5,000 spots to Washington Street if you simply surveyed the area and put parking decks and that would
solve our crisis. But instead, you're taking campaign contributions and we're not going to stop till everybody knows about it. That's why I'm here tonight. We no longer believe you. The people in this room will believe me because I'm telling the truth. You might be able to
win a government election, but when you look in people's eyes, they will know it is in your souls. And that is a power stronger than any weapon that you have. And I guarantee you this, there is a force stronger than the city government
that will make sure that humanity remains free from the corporate donations that you've taken. By the way, your bike h your bike helmet looks great, Emily. Have a nice night, guys. >> Thank you. No other members of the public have
signed up to speak for on 7821. everything. >> Pat. Okay, Pat. >> Excuse me. No, I'm serious. That gave me the chills. I came up here respectfully and I speak on only the topic, but they right. It plays a big bearing. Now, I'm
going to share me and Manny's experience. I was emotional just like that guy. And you know, Tiffany, you my witness. I mean, I'm sorry, Emily. I stopped in the middle of the street. I feel his frustration today. I don't know who hired it. I need the director for
ranty and the chief to answer me. Okay. Today y'all invited somebody from Philadelphia. Okay. Two of them had badges on with an attempt to intimidate me talking about doing an interview outside about Vision Zero and linked it
to those cameras. Okay. Those same cameras that guy getting upset about. You want to talk about hypocritical It is a higher government because we need to start pressing charges. >> Patricia, are you talking? >> Yes. Yes. This is part of my time, sir.
Give me a minute. Give me a minute. Everybody else do it. Give me a minute. >> Does this have anything to do with the loading zones on Washington Street? Is my question. >> Yes. Double parking loading zones. Listen. >> Okay. Thank you. >> That's your director. director. That's
you, right? And I asked her, "Identify yourself." This is the director, okay? And she gave a nice little cushiony speech linking those cameras, okay? That's outside. She linking it with Ravi's vision zero. I said, "The vision
zero is blind. Who are you?" I was attacked. Okay? And the first thing they did is said, "Call the cops to Nora." I'm not scared of the cops cuz I'm not a criminal, but this is what's going to happen. And there, yes, it got something to do with the loading zone, parking,
the businesses, cuz we're frustrated. It's all the same bull crap. But for them to say call the cops. I said, "Sir, what's the problem? I live in black skin." The first I said, "Nora, shame on you. You live across the street from me. You my the motive is stop letting people
come from outside and make us fight against each other and leave. I need to know who paid them people from Philly to come here and attack me." Robbie, ignore what happened to my son. This ain't going to go away. And you're going to get a lot of more frustrated people like me cuz it's an election and all of y'all
desperate to be the mayor so y'all could do the same bull crap. >> Thank you very much, >> Mr. Fine. No other members of the public. >> Motion to close. Other >> motion. Second. >> What?
>> All right, Mr. Wait I >> what are we ordinance? >> Hang on a second. We just voted on public portion and we just closed public. >> We're just closing public council members are going to want to talk about this. >> Would you like to speak? Counciloman council
>> have we we've closed public portion. Right. >> Yes. That was what the eyes were for. >> Did you want to speak? >> Public comment >> after No, no. After after um >> Lisa, she wants to speak. >> Lisa will help. She wants to speak on the um
>> emergency resolution on clock. >> So that's just it's in public portion which is >> in front of you. >> Yeah. >> Because I have resolutions here and I have ordinances. So the only public portion would be the one that you have. Okay. >> Sorry about the confusion.
Councilwoman Fischer. >> Yeah. So we talked about uh in the parking subcommittee is Ruben, Emily and I. Um, we talked thi this came expanding the loading zones
I don't know a couple like probably two months ago and the original conversation was they wanted to expand them to 9:00 and um I think all of us paused not even paused we just said no we're not doing it till 9:00 it was in in
it was very specifically about residents in the area it was like starting at 6:00 going to 9:00 and it just not considering any of the residents in the area um at all. So, the conversation then said we would potentially um
consider going to um an earlier time. And um what we never talked about was them going on the weekends. So, to clarify, Manny, what you were asking, we currently have striping for these loading zones in the areas. This is 8th
Street South. Um, and interestingly, we weren't talking about just lower Washington. We actually were talking about like all of Washington. So now it seems like it's very specifically geared towards the area where the clear cameras are, but right now on the
streets where we have these loading zones, the loading zones exist, but on Saturdays and Sundays in in many of the cases, um, they can just be used for parking because they're not loading zones on Saturdays and Sundays. So, what this does is it takes away all of that
parking on the weekends and converts all of that parking to a loading zone that can be used for a lot of different things, right? People can stop for 10, you know, 20 minutes, whatever it can be, deliveries. Um, but it is taking parking away on the weekend. Um, the
effect of it and I'm not okay with that. Um, we were generally at the time okay talking about having I think I'm going to put words in Reuben's mouth, but I think we got to a place where like the end of the day seemed like it was okay. And this conversation happened before
the clear cameras. This was we weren't even talking about the clear cameras. This was just talking about the loading zones. And we were like, "All right, maybe, you know, we need more delivery. You know, had a good constructive conversation. We can get to an earlier time." But then the clear cameras came, right? And now we have predatory
practices. Um we have predatory practices where the company makes money every time they issue a vi every time someone gets a ticket the company um clear makes money or autonomous whatever um makes money. So now all we're doing is we're expanding the time frame from
2:00 to 6:00 at many of these and on the weekends to give even more tickets um so this company can make more money and we can issue more tickets against our residents and people. That was not talked about, literally not talked about. The whole time that we talked
about loading zones, it was just the idea of expanding um expanding delivery and and um and giving uh providing additional support for people to have short stops, which is something that we've always tried to do. But when you
take this and you put it handinand with a predatory contract and practice that we have right now, it definitely does not make sense under any circumstances. I would be okay if we got rid of the clear cameras alto together and did something like this had the had maybe
slightly expanded um uh loading zones during the week. I would even consider looking at some hours on the weekend. But these two together is just putting money in someone's pocket and and just, you know, putting our businesses out of business. And so I I actually think this
is reckless for us to do. I'm going to vote no tonight. I hope everyone else votes no tonight. And it doesn't mean that we shouldn't reconsider this. We just need to look at it all together instead of what the actual consequences of the the combination of these two um things are. So anyway, I'm going to vote
no. >> Councilman President Zano had indicated. >> Yes. Um as the first work councilman, which is the commercial district, as you can imagine, my phone's been lit up from businesses. Um,
they're not happy. I think Ernie says it best. He's probably one of the busiest. Uh, on second in Washington, he's probably one of the busiest because there's a constant flow of contractors that come in and out on Washington Street during busy times from 4 to 6
p.m. just rough when I happen to be out with the family. There's no traffic on Washington Street. And that's not being an alarmist. I'm telling you what I'm seeing. There used to be five, six, seven cars deep at stop lightss. There's none of that. And I I
ask people, is there an issue with, you know, economyy's bad, this and that and the other thing? And it's like, no, it's that people just don't want to come here now because they feel that they're going to get a ticket or some warnings have hit and people aren't coming. Now, the one key thing is that we rolled out this
clear program. They didn't do something. The administration didn't do their homework. I live right across from garage D. That thing is packed by 8:45 to 9:00 in the morning. They don't take anybody else.
Nobody else. Done. No place to park. We have the Ballard uh brigade that goes up and even if you had a chance to park on a corner, you or try to get a spot to jump in and jump out. Not happening. and then
it seems as if parking spaces just disappear for whatever reason across the ward. So either we want a vibrant Washington street. We've just proven that this doesn't work. Uh I was open to listening to things on this. I've asked for the
pause around a couple of others in here as well. I do not believe that extending the loading zones because what you just did there's no place for anybody else to park to go have dinner anyway because the garages are packed. So extending a loading zone for 15 minutes is not going
to help. And especially on the weekends because when you sit down the last I know to pick up 15 minutes I don't have a 15-minute dinner. I have probably an hour dinner. So by doing this we're actually crunching parking more.
And that's not helping anybody. That's crushing our restaurants. By the way, Washington Street is restaurants now most of the time. So by us doing this, it's not actually helping. It's hurting more. What we should be doing is trying to figure out how we can create more parking. And then we could try the clear
program. That's one of the biggest problems. The other issue is the loading zones are not big enough for tractor trailers. Since inflation has hit, since the tariffs have hit, there's no longer little tiny box trucks delivering. It's tractor trailers. and the tractor trailers are coming because they're trying to become more efficient.
>> They can't fit in any of the loading zones that we have. So before we've done any of this with loading zones, before we change times and everything else, either we extend the loading zones in size because or at some point I think some of the business owners have pointed
out to me it's already difficult to get business own uh to get deliveries to Hoboken because of the parking situation or because of the um diligence of our HPU that some vendors just don't come anymore. Now I haven't talked about that
point. And I'm just watching that visually there is not the flow of traffic that I saw pre-occtober. And it's not cuz the weather's cold cuz it's been beautiful outside. If we do this, we're taking out more spaces on the weekends. If we did this during the
week, different story. Because most of the time in the weekends, you're not getting massive amounts of deliveries. It's during the week. That's how business runs. It's not weekend stuff because weekend deliveries cost extra money. So, I'm not in favor of this. I've asked over and over to pause this
program, even if it's a pilot. And we first should have looked at the actual usage of space on the streets before we did anything else. And one last point, in the same thought process,
this tells us then we should get rid of parkletits off Washington Street because that's going to open up parking spaces. Now, I'm more sure the businesses are not going to be happy about that, but we have a parking problem. So guess what the logical thing we do is to take the parklets away. And if we take the
parklets away from people on Washington Street, we have to take the parklets away from everybody in town. So there's a quick solution. I could probably get just thinking about this one two there could probably about 15 20 spaces just in the first ward we could alleviate
just on Washington Street if we got rid of parklets. >> Rough. >> So we're really not thinking about things here. So we run a pilot. We don't check all the different things. >> The one key thing that nobody knows and nobody wants to talk about is that
garages are packed solid. Where do we want one residents and two family members that come to visit and three people visiting our our businesses? Where do we want them to go? So, this is not a smart decision to be
doing this. I'm a no. President, Councilman Cohen, >> so nice to >> got a You got a replay. >> Thank you, Council President. >> They went to New York. >> Councilman, please. >> Thank you, Council President. Um, we
heard from a lot of business owners, uh, who had concerns about the Clear program who said that, uh, you know, they were expecting to get their trucks to deliver in front of their businesses and that with double parking being illegal and
enforcing the fact that double parking is illegal, that loading zones are more important. Uh and I agree with Councilwoman Fischer that this is something we've been talking about long before clear that uh that in fact that loading zones are
important and they are a higher and better use of our our street space than a residential parking spot because you can have many deliveries for many businesses made in a single spot. And by extending the hours of the loading zone, you're allowing businesses who are now
claiming and rightfully so, that it the illegal double parking that they may have relied on for deliveries is now not as easily done because when you have a truck pull up in front of the store for more than 3 minutes or so, they are at risk of getting a ticket. So, what does this do? We give an extra 2 hours Monday
through Friday from 6:00 in the morning to 8:00 in the morning. a time where people typically are not looking for residential parking spots, but where deliveries can be made and loading zones can be done overnight >> for 20 minute periods. 20-minute period. So, it has to turn over in 20 minutes.
And the enforcement mechanism in in ensures that with well if you have two hours from additional spots in a loading zone that's an additional six deliveries or more that could be made to that business with three deliveries per hour minimum from truckloads or delivery
loads or Amazon deliveries or uh you know car uh we we see Uber drivers. There's many, many services where people could wait for less than 20 minutes to get their business and not be double parked illegally, again, illegally. So,
by maximizing the time that the loading zones are uh are available, we're not hurting businesses here, we are helping businesses here. Okay? And to the extent that the councilman president says business is dead on
Washington Street, I just spent 20 minutes at Apollo Bagels on 324 Washington Street waiting online with a lot of customers. A business that just opened recently and I encourage you to go there. The bagels are very good. Uh and so do the people who are waiting 20
minutes online to get their bagels with me. Uh it is uh it business is not dead on Washington Street. New businesses are opening, good businesses are opening, and businesses are doing well on Washington Street. By passing this tonight, we are helping our business
community by allowing them to get the deliveries that they rely on in the loading zones that are designated as loading zones. Okay. So, I think that it's this is a good policy. It's a progressive policy. I'm fully in support. Thank you,
Councilman. Okay, Mr. Pina, please. >> Uh, when I first heard camera enforcement from the beginning, I was a no from the get-go. And we would we did discuss it in committee. And when I
disagree with something, I just tell them, I disagree. Good luck. And they wanted to expand the times to 900 p.m. I said, good luck with that. I'm opposed. And now we have 6 am to 7. Is that correct? 7 7 PM.
>> Uh I live on Washington Street. Right now it's >> So now I have to wake up at 6:00 a.m. to move my car. Washington Street, like I've said, is a 24/7 living, breathing organism.
You know, people live on Washington Street from Newark all the way to 15th. It's a vital artery, but residents live there and this is important for them to just sustain some type of quality of life for their vehicles within the city. Uh,
and now this is just we agreed last council meeting that the roll out of this program was poor. We agreed to that. The business owners agreed to that. Members of the council agreed to that. And so now we're just doubling down on a poor roll out to the program.
That's what we're doing. no education to the business owners, no outreach to the business owners to have invite all the businesses to come to the chambers uh to explain exactly what they were doing from the beginning to this point where the chains would be in this point. That's not input. And you know, everyone
says, you know, the mom and pops can't open the city of Hoboken or they're struggling or we don't want to see that. Well, Blue Mercury national brand closed. Athleta national brand closed. So big businesses are having trouble,
small businesses are having trouble. So we need to reanalyze what can work on Washington Street, not in isolation, but in partnership with all of our businesses. And that starts with a meeting here and see where we go from there. But I'm going to I'm not going to support this tonight. I was a no from
the beginning and I'm a no again tonight. >> Council President, >> Council Member Russo. >> Thank you, Council President. And I'm not on the committee, so I was unprivy to a lot of the conversations, but it was my understanding as as Councilman Ko was saying that this was a request from
businesses in the city of Hoboken to try to alleviate some of their concerns when it came to deliveries. Now, I have no problem holding on this and trying to solve for that problem. if there's if
there are suggestions or if there were suggestions in that committee, I'm I don't know about them. So, uh and Councilwoman Fischer, I believe you're on that committee as well. So, I would I would be fine holding off on a second reading tonight um so that you guys
could kind of discuss that in depth to solve the problem of the loading for businesses because that's my goal here. My goal is to help the businesses along Washington Street. If we can do that by shifting something different, fine. But
ultimately, I do think we need to solve for that. And that and that's a that's a an issue for me as far as the loading and unloading for the business, not necessarily for the consumer. The consumer is a different question, right? I I think we need to explore five minute
parking spaces for quick pickups, things like that into the future. But specific to this, I have no problem holding off if the sponsors are willing to do that so that at our next meeting or hopefully at our next meeting, we have some shifts to really solve the problem of the
business delivery. So if somebody wants to do that, I'm more than happy to do that to hold this off for a meeting and discuss it. Um, if the sponsors are not willing to do that, I won't support it tonight because I think we need to solve for the problem without putting any un
any of those unintended consequences back before our businesses. So, that's kind of where where I sit. So, if we're okay pulling this tonight and having that discussion with the promise of bringing it back by our next meeting, if in fact we need to change it, we'll have a first reading then and then shift it
from there. But that's kind of where I stand. Council President. >> Yes, Councilwoman. >> If it would be helpful, I think perhaps we could ask either I don't know Jesse or Greg, which one of you wants to explain the engagement that the city had with respect to the HBA and the
businesses who drove this initial proposal and then the council will have the benefit of the conversations. >> Sorry to call you out. >> Yeah, no problem. Uh Jesse McGowan, deputy director, transportation and parking. Um, so before the clear program
was announced, we began engaging with the Hoboken Business Alliance. Um, the Hoboken Business Alliance has also done a survey of their members. Um, we've engaged them in meetings that involved members of their staff and board. Um, as part of this program, Director Weber
went doortodoor to businesses along Washington Street to talk about the Clear program, but also to hear from businesses what would help them. and feedback we consistently heard was that there needed to be more opportunities for deliveries as well as these short pickups, you know, if they're doing
takeout food or things like that. Um, also we are currently doing the curb reimagine program plan that included extensive community engagement and so our most recent survey also collected feedback from residents and businesses about loading zones throughout the city as well as Washington Street
specifically. Um and so we did hear feedback through that as well with interest in extending the times for loading zones um to support both the deliveries to the businesses as well as the um customers that may be making short drop offs or pickups.
>> Great. >> Thank you, director, deputy director. >> Well, I guess it's up to the sponsors. I mean, I I do think that there are business businesses that were urging us to do
this. So, I don't know, Councilman Russo, if you want to be the one who feels the calls for the people who >> I do it every day, >> will be disappointed. >> I do it every day. But, um, >> yeah, and again, I'm not inherently I I want to support an initiative to make
sure that we have loading and unloading on Washington Street, right? But I also don't want to find ourselves in a situation where we're now causing more issues for those businesses. >> I'm intrigued by your distinction between the business deliveries and the
customer pickup because yeah, >> from what uh the deputy director just said, it sounds like this is here for both. When I want to run into a bagel store and I may have to wait in line 7 minutes, it helps me. It also helps the
20 minute delivery that you know so um it's not just the one. >> Yeah, I understood and I think those nuanced questions should be answered in a in a in a better way and that's the only reason why I'm suggesting that. So >> council Dbor is the is the is the listed
sponsor. I don't know who the second is but I'm not hearing anything from the sponsor. So Mr. Fina >> call the vote. >> Mr. Con. >> Hi. >> Fisher. >> No. >> Mr. Jabore.
>> Yes. >> President Zano. >> No. >> Mr. Cano. >> I >> Mr. Ramos. >> No. >> Russo. >> No. >> President Doyle. >> I. >> Uh, Councilwoman. I hope I hope we could bring it back in a different form. So
for the last one, >> hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 190-11 entitled loading zones to add prior loading zone located on Second Street near Adam Street. >> Uh there are no members of the public signed up to speak.
>> Motion to close by portion. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I. >> Any council members? If not, Mr. Fina, please call the vote. >> Mr. Con. Fiser, >> Mr. Yes. Sorry. Yes,
>> President Zano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle. >> I >> Okay. Uh, on to resolutions.
Uh, or I should say to >> There's two companion resolutions to resume. Well, I guess one is the other one is >> these are >> T2. >> Yeah, T, but um they are both resolutions and >> Right. T1 we don't need to vote on
because it failed. So, >> okay. Well, I'm looking for the Where's the public portion for resolutions? >> It's on the next page. >> Well, it's pretty far down. >> Yes, I think they >> Why did you move the T these
>> stop period removal? Well, it doesn't mean that it's it's just a resolution. We could hear it in 10 minutes, you know. But anyway, T1 is is not going to be heard because the uh because it failed >> T1.
>> So, >> T2, but if there's a member of the public that would like to speak on T2, then >> T2, >> of course, um Rosemary Markle has signed up for the entire consent agenda. So, would you like to speak? If you don't want to speak on T2,
we could you can wait a moment and come up. >> T2 is >> it's just waving the estop period on a loading zone. >> I think we should just vote on it. I don't think anyone >> Well, I Patricia Waiter has signed up for the whole thing. Patricia, would you
like to talk about Jim? >> Let's see. Stop. Uh I I'm not going to just call a vote. Well, if unless Patricia says it's okay. >> She said okay. It's >> okay.
>> Just the one for the period. >> Thank you, Patricia. Okay. No members of the All right. So, M. >> Excuse me. >> Yes. Mr. Please call the vote for T2. >> T Mr. Con. >> Hi.
>> Mr. Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jabore. >> Yes. >> PresidentO. >> Hi. >> Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. Russo. >> Hi, President Doyle. >> Hi. Okay.
You're going to go through the petitions, etc. Mr. >> Fa, he never does. >> He doesn't. >> Yeah. Council President, anything being removed? >> Well, we're going to listen to >> public com >> public comment first.
>> Well, if something's removed and they wanted to speak on it, >> that's why I'm telling you. >> I Yeah. All right. Uh, Rosemary Markle on resolutions. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm going to be quick. There's
only two little things. Um, A2, the um payment for the um cultural affairs department, we the uh band, it's $30,000. How much does the city make on the arts and music festivals? I'm just curious because I'm sure we pay the cost of
cleanup and overtime. The vendors I know probably pay to um rent a space, but every year the cost of these bands goes up and up. It's $30,000. How much does the city actually make on this? I'd be interested to know that. And on C3 it
says funded by B551. Is that like a special fund from somewhere? Not taxpayer money. >> B. You said C3. >> C A3. It's the park down on Jackson Street. An environmental thing has to be
done. >> I I I don't know the answer off the top of my head. >> No one knows what B. Okay. Well, then I'll just assume >> B551 is a bond ordinance. >> She said C A3. No, but it's being funded by a bond. >> B is Bala-551
is the 551st item that was passed by this council. So the bond ordinance is called >> bond ordance 55 >> something we pay for in the end. >> It was it was it was a a larger bond. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That we're going to pay for anyway. >> Correct. >> Got it. Got it. So now I'll be real
quick. >> Free. >> It's what? >> They're not free. We have to pay for it. >> Right. Okay. >> So this is something that has to be done on this land. I understand. Right. For oil tanks or whatever that was the it was manused >> uh down there. >> You're at Seventh in Jackson. >> Yes. The park. Right. So my question is
this park land was given back by the developer to the to the city really what kind of payback is this is if every year I'm not sure how often they have to do this but I'm sure it's more than one year >> you know now we're paying again for this these things should be included when
>> the state of New Jersey requires when there's been a remediation on a property every two years to confirm that it is still safe >> and that's the property owner's burden and that is the city >> right the city should have built it into the >> Well, who's to say when
>> they bought it, they didn't reduce the price by $2,000 or $5,000. >> But it's something, you know, it's a give back and give back that's we're going to be paying for and again and again. Thank you. >> Yeah, >> Patricia Waiters,
>> I have two things like row. Mr. Cohen, can you A3? This is for you, Mr. Cohen. abbreviation of MOA and HMSA. Could you the real terminology just >> memorandum of understanding for the Hoboka Municipal Supervisors
Association? >> All right. And then could you explain why somebody getting you had a not to exceed amount but now wait make sure this ain't Mr. Trouval. This Mr. Trouval the lawyer >> the increase. No. Before I say something,
>> which one are you referring to, Tam? >> A1 and A2. >> Okay. >> No, leave A or A2. Rose already answered that for me. A1 not to exceed amount from 10,000. They getting an increase to 20,000. A law firm. It was unfinished
work. What What's the problem for somebody getting 10,000 birthday gift? >> It's task related to the acquisition of blocks 127 and 128. the municipal garage purchase that is being concluded and they need lawyers to do >> and it exceeded the not to exceed. So
you just asked and amended to another not to exceed >> there was 10,000 they've added 10 to it so now it's 20 >> right but I'm saying because before it was not to exceed but it exceeded it so now you >> No it didn't exceed we're now >> first time you asked >> we're paying we're increasing it so that
they can continue to work >> okay thank you >> Yep. It doesn't have the address on it, by the way, which it's required to do. It doesn't have the address on it that's required to. >> It doesn't have the add address.
>> It says block one. Remember, we have a whole thing about no one has any idea what it relates to, so we changed the rule, >> but apparently we just don't follow it. >> President, the historic preservation is not on here. >> Hold on one second. Can we finish this thread? We are We're going to pull A1 is
what Tiffany was councilwoman Fischer was referencing. Correct. You don't have I'm just saying >> we can just add the address after the council meeting. It's just an administrative thing. We're going to add the address to the resolution. It should be there. Counciloman Fischer is correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Excuse me, Councilwoman Fischer. This is
important too. The you are putting somebody in the seat tonight for the historical preservation. The recommendation of Mayor Bala. >> That's is his >> in petitions committ somebody is being appointed. Yes. >> Somebody's been appointed. Could not just put this on the record. I speak
about this all the time. I'm never given an opportunity. I just want people to see that and know that. And I applied. Manuel here applied. And if this the mayor's pick, I'm showing y'all that it's personal. But he don't care cuz he's not going to be here. So whoever be here in future in the future moving
forward, please consider other people, especially people that come to every meeting and pour their heart out in this city. The way y'all make y'all appointments is disgusting. the same way y'all did with that six ward council seat. Stop doing this because the people that live here get impacted and just to
see somebody else get appointed. And Jerry, you know, I apply for everything. I send every time a seat or something become available now and I know it's getting personal. Thank you. Mhm. >> All right. Council members, if you like
to pull to close public comments. We don't have a vote right now on you mean on closing the public portion. >> Didn't get a chance to speak. >> Manny >> Manny CD1 Manuel Rivera Soler.
>> It's on res. It's on resolutions generally. >> Well, you signed up for resolutions for CD1. What is >> Yes, >> council president. A little confused here because there was too much information passed back and forth. My
apologies. I usually >> I usually speak on consent agenda. I just wrote CD1 so that uh I could be aware but it didn't work. Anyway, council president, uh I believe that um this evening if God willing and all goes
well and members of the public of the six ward grace me with the um ability to serve them. This might be my last uh uh meeting as a member of the public. Uh uh >> well, you won't be sworn in until
January 1st. So, you have four more meetings, but >> Yes, sir. Good. My intention is to say that I am going to be speaking tonight like I usually do which I stopped before because in case if again I am so chosen.
Um the consent agenda I would like to speak on on a few of them. I would like to say them in case like I always do. Pencils up. Um again uh A1 in uh administrations in climate and action innovation. CA1
CA3 community development CD1 and C the question in there would be um is this uh uh change um relevant because of a specific name change or is it
actually something that will be impacted uh to members of the public with with a specific change uh corporate corporation council CC1 on just so uh we don't uh lose uh
any feelings um in finance F1 public safety all of them PS1 PS2 PS3 and in transportation and parking T1 and of course as you know uh
introduction for first reading now president I would like to make some remarks I still have a few minutes and I did calculate it um to see if I could uh say this. Mr. President, it's is very important as I just mentioned and and you've uh enlightened me that uh it
wouldn't be till January. >> It's not it's immediate. >> It's immediate. >> It's immediate. >> I appreciate council members. I was just going to explain to council president that as was said, it is an immediate >> immediate uh uh fulfillment of that seat if
there's no runoff a member of the public who is a candidate wins that specific seat. But what I want to say here, council president, again to all of you respectfully, but this has to be said and has to be said clearly that how could it be that a council seat, a very
important seat, a colleague that could have been sitting there with you at this moment to be able to make decisions that affect all members of the public as well as the six ward that you are making an appointment for maybe a secondary or tertiary uh
order commission. By the way, I respect everyone. They're all volunteers and I respect either if it's secondary or tertiary. They're all very important, especially the historic preservation. As uh member of the public um Patricia Waiter has mentioned, many many people
apply for these um uh positions. But my claim here this evening is to say you council president and this administration have as you mentioned maybe two more months and a member of the public again like I said a resident
can't be sworn in on November 5th. Why do you continue to pass and appoint persons that will outlive some of your tenures and definitely the tenure of the
mayor of this city? It is time to stop. It is time to hold on. It is time to give the actual six W representative when that person gets sworn in may he or she whoever she or he may be pardon me the opportunity
to express themselves to vote on this as well because they will be here longer than some council members and the administration. So I respectfully ask you to please delay
this appointment. Let the full council of nine members vote on it. I know that is meaningless but it is symbolic. So let the people express themselves on November 4th and let there be nine council members voting on appointments
from now on. Council President and with that I will get back. Thank you sir. Thank you Mr. We are not appointing anyone by the way tonight. Um no no other members to close public portion.
>> All those in favor >> I now council members >> call it >> what? >> A3 and CD1. >> What did you say? A3 and CD1 and a uh >> PS2 and PS3.
>> CD1. >> PS2 and three. Councilman Fischer. >> Yes. >> CD1. >> Councilman Preszano. Anything? >> Uh I'm looking. >> T3. >> Did somebody pull that already or no? >> Nope.
>> Okay, that's it. >> T3 only. >> Excuse me. >> Did you repeat them one? >> Yes. A3, CD1, PS2 and three and T3. >> Okay, Mr. Fina.
Everything else, Mr. Con? I Mr. Fiser. >> Um, I am no on no on A1 and CD2. Yes on everything else. She said no on A1 and CD2. >> CD2. All right.
>> And and yes on everything else. >> Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes. >> President Zano. >> Uh no on A1. Yes on everything else. >> Same as Councilman Fischer. >> It's not the same as Council. Hi.
>> Just say one. Ramos. Hi D. Russo. Hi. President Doyle, >> no on A1 and CD1. Yes. Or CD2 and yes on everything else. CD2
just like Councilwoman Fischer. Uh okay. So A3 Councilman Cohen. >> Thank you, Council President. Uh this relates to uh resolution authorizing the city entering into a
memorandum of understanding with the Hoboken Municipal Supervisors Association. Uh I have always supported collective bargaining. I've always supported this and uh and I'm not going to change my views on that tonight. I think that
people who are the municipal supervisors are entitled to get a fair contract. But I I just want to note I mean it the con that the numbers are on this are 0% for 2024. So they had no raises in 2024 0% in 2025.
Uh 4.25% for the first half of 26 3.25% for the second half of 26 which comes to 7.5% for 26 and 3.25 for first half of 27 and 3.25 25 for the second half of 27 which
is 7 6.5%. So the I I just would like to I I I I believe that that they're entitled to this contract. I think it's a fair contract. I think that that makes sense. And if you average out over the four
years, you factor in the two years of zero, it's effectively 3.5% over four years, which again is these are not, you know, these are reasonable numbers. But as we are in in campaign season and
as I've had experience, I chaired the uh finance committee this last year, you know, when Mayor Bala came back from the administration with a 6.9% tax uh increase to the council, a lot of my
colleagues here couldn't see that that was right. And I respect everybody's judgment obviously on these things. But if we're going to authorize a contract that's essentially going to be 7.5% in
26 and 6.5% in 27, then I think that we need to be prepared to have tax increases that are comparable to the contracts that we're entering into. I think that it is it is reasonable and appropriate for us to pay
our bills. And if we if we agree to a contract with has a 7.5% increase in 2026, then we should not be shocked when a proposal comes from an administration to this council for a tax
increase that's over 7%. So again, uh I get it. It's it's campaign season. Half the people on the deas are running for mayor and and it's not a really popular position to say that I want to increase your taxes by more than 7%. I get it. I get it. It's
not No one's going to ever put that on a campaign poster or no one's ever going to champion that in a debate. I get it. I'm not running for mayor. I'm not on the ballot. I'm telling you the truth. If we're going to agree to a contract with a 7.5% increase for our municipal
supervisors, then we should be prepared to charge our taxpayers for what it costs to cover the cost of the contract. Thank you, Council President. >> Council President, >> Councilman Russo. >> Thank you, Council President. Uh, I respect Councilman Cohen's uh, position
on this, but I think it's a little shortsighted to say that because we raised uh, someone's contract that we should be prepared to raise the taxes at the same rate. I think, and this has always been my argument in the city of Hoboken, there are many ways to reduce
costs in the city. number one. And number two, there are ways that have not been there are ways that that we can increase our revenue in the city of Hoboken that have not been explored in over 15 years. So to say because we
approved a contract, there should be an associated tax increase at the same rate is very shortsighted and very disingenuous. And I'll leave it at that. You want me to say it just really quickly? Um, >> yeah. I'm not asking you to.
>> Yeah. >> Entitled to >> It's still over there. >> It's still right here. >> Yeah, she's in. >> We're almost done. >> Not for later. >> Can we just work through the chair?
>> Thank you. So, Councilwoman Fischer, if you'd like to speak on this. >> Yeah. I mean, the, you know, we're we're >> we're like upside down and sideways this year. I think um next year is and I
think everyone here, even when we went through the budget process, said that next year is going to be a difficult year, and it's an order of magnitude. Um what that means is revisiting potentially revisiting contracts that are signed. It means um just reviewing
spending in city hall. We'll have a new mayor. Whoever the mayor is is going to, you know, have to take on um a pretty big heavy lift next year. That being said, you know, the reason why this contract is structured the way it is is because they were off contract for two
years. The administration is not prioritized or municipal employees. These are municipal supervisors um that got no increase for two years. The the numbers that Councilman Cohen are mentioning are look back. They're to make up for the fact that um we just didn't have a contract for our
supervisors. Um and the other contract that we haven't seen that we've been hearing about a lot is just our municipal workers, which is a much bigger um contract and they've been off their contract for three years. So I think the the numbers here are fair. Uh
we will absolutely have a tax increase next year. It is actually in all of my campaign um materials because it is a it is a big deal. It's every conversation that we have. Um and getting from this year to next year, we are in the middle of a um mayoral race which is
unfortunate on a number of reasons for a lot of issues. but supporting our municipal workers today with what seemed to be a fair and reasonable um increase even though it's 2 years too late or two years late um I
think is the right thing to do tonight. But that being said, next year we're we have to revisit everything. We have a statutory issue that we are potentially not going to be able to pay everyone under the contracts um that they they feel like they're benefiting from next year. So, we're going to have to look at them again. And that's the reality. And
if there are municipal workers in this room or watching, like that's that's a reality. That being said, we'll do our best because we can't run the city without our municipal workers and um and our public safety and everyone who's under contract. So, um I was happy to see actually that this was a more
reasonable one uh than ones that were approved by this council earlier this year um ahead of a uh ahead of a difficult budget season without a budget. Um and it also has a reasonable term. and it's just through 2027. So, we have an opportunity to, you know, kind
of get back in the game and have the best contracts that we can for the city and for our workers and for taxpayers, you know, in a short period of time. So, I'm supportive tonight um but next year and I hope we'll see the municipal workers contract um on this agenda
hopefully soon. >> Thank you. Uh, Councilwoman uh >> No, >> did you really forget her last name? >> There's no there's no other women here. So, >> yeah. >> Um, I just wanted to ask quickly on the record um to Director Stratton, I wanted
to just confirm that the membership is also supportive of this. Um, having not heard from any representatives from the group this evening, I just wanted to make sure that it has the support. >> That's my understanding. Yes. >> Thank you for putting that on the record. Appreciate it.
Thank you, Mr. Fina. Call the vote. >> Mr. Con, >> I miss Fiser. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> President Zano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle.
>> Hi. >> CD1. Uh, you want me to read it? Mr. uh, Marina, this is to me. Oh, I I shouldn't have volunteered. Resolution authorizing the execution of a temporary and limited
access agreement by and among the city of Hoboken Mimi Ronin, formerly Mimi Christensen and Chapman environmental services for certain soil sampling and the reinstallation of a groundwater monitoring well on a portion of
city-owned property designated as block 172, lot 17 on the tax map, also known as 259 11th Street or 1033 Willow venue of the city of Hoboken in furtherance of the remediation of the immediately
adjacent parcel referred to as the Christensen property. >> It's for me. I got five minutes for that. >> Uh, Council President, thank you. Uh, I I was the one who pulled this one for discussion. Yep. Okay. So, this is the
uh municipal lot over at uh 11th in Willow. Uh this is the location where our uh community development uh committee has presented and this council has approved the future location of a fully affordable senior housing
development which is proceeding uh as many developments in hope can do at a very slow pace. Uh what we're going to be voting on tonight actually is not related directly to the construction of the uh senior housing. However, what has
happened is that there is a neighbor adjacent to this lot on 11th Street that has an underground oil tank which has apparently leeched and they are in the process of doing an investigation. They have an insurance company that has been
uh dealing with the city trying to negotiate the family's ability to get access to a portion of the parking lot on the western side of the lot. uh where they need to have some drills locations set up. Uh the city has
negotiated an indemnification agreement. They the city is going to be reimbursed for costs and cleanup and think uh limits of liability relating to this investigation that's being taken on by the homeowner that's dealing with this
leeching uh situation. Uh and what we're approving tonight is to allow for this to go forward uh with with respect to uh to this resolution on CD1. Uh it is um going to be a temporary inconvenience
for a number of the residents who park on the western edge of the lot. I've been talking with Director Brown and his office about things that we could do to accommodate those folks. Uh I'm hearing it's going to be at least 30 to 60 days before uh the work commences, but it
could commence as early as uh December. Uh so you you know for the for the tenants in the lot, you'll be hearing more uh soon about this. Uh and hopefully the city will minimize the inconvenience to them. Obviously, uh
they know that they're not going to be there forever because it will turn into a senior housing project, but that is not what is causing them to some of these tenants to be temporarily displaced. So, I just wanted to explain that to the extent that folks are watching this uh that that that's what's
going on with this vote to also to let my colleagues know about this, that they understand the issue. um uh if we do not agree to this, they could likely go to court and require the city to give access to this and we would lose some of the protections that we're getting based
on the agreement that we'd be approving here tonight. Thank you, Council. >> I believe when you said the city is has an indemnification, we are indemnified by the first, not us, >> right? The indemnification agreement goes to our favor. >> Sometimes goes both ways. >> Yep.
>> Okay. Anyone else? Mr. Fina, please call a vote on C1. >> I miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jabore, >> yes. >> President Zano, >> I. >> Gero, >> I. >> Mr. Ramos, >> I. >> Mr. Russo, >> I. >> President Doyle,
>> I. >> Next up is PS2, which is a resolution awarding a contract to Ledgewood Powersports, Inc. in the amount of 67,863.39 for two Polaris UTV vehicles funded by
B679 and Councilwoman Fiser I believe you >> yeah can we just get a explanation as to why we need them >> I think the chief >> they're not chief >> good evening council
>> uh these were selected to supplement our command vehicle. Uh and we realized through all the various events that we have been um having within the city uh and the inability to access specific smaller spaces, these vehicles will assist us in all the upcoming events as
well as initiatives and uh directives that we have uh to move officers from place to place as well as high visibility for for officers and just to get um access to smaller spaces. They're just UTVs. similar to I don't know if you've seen the the transit vehicles
that are usually parked uh along uh Pay right behind Lacawana. >> Mhm. >> So, it's one of those. So, it's just a smaller vehicle that gets us to and from uh smaller spaces within the city. So, we can use them for patrol. We could use them for uh initiatives such as traffic initiatives or even just high visibility.
>> Okay. Do Thank you. >> Well, I figure you're going to ask about the next one anyway. >> I'm going to ask about the next one as well. >> Okay. I see you've got your >> do you want to do you want to just have him answer because he's standing here the next one and then we can >> do that as well. Yep. Or >> I don't know if anyone else had any questions for him on the first one.
>> It has to do with the 10-year license plate reader and drone program funded by also funded by bonding 679 >> pieces of bonds. Yeah. So can you talk about the need for a half a million dollar spend whatever?
>> Sure. Uh this is an initiative to have automated license license plate readers at every uh ingress and egress of the city uh to be able to um assist in any type of investigation. Uh the the data is highly regulated through the the
state. um any any potential or hot listed vehicle that's that's used in in the state through uh that's been inputed into a hot list will give it all as an alert and it gets us ahead of uh an investigation uh and it helps us to uh
deter crime. Uh it's been proven throughout other cities within the county uh to be very successful in investigative efforts. Um it's an improvement on security within the entire city. So whenever an event happens, we can create our own hot list of vehicles that we're tracking and looking for that in enter and leave our
city and we'll have a better idea and be able to close out investigations a lot sooner. >> What What is the drone aspect of it? >> So Axon obviously does a lot of different things including body warn cameras and drones. The drone was part of that program, but it will be used to
assist and supplement the command bus. The command bus itself has a tether drone which gives us the ability to run a drone. As long as the power uh is coming from from the command bus, uh that drone being provided by Axon will actually be able to use uh almost like a
patrol uh le drone where we can uh send that out further out from on top of that command bus. It's an additional piece of equipment uh to the command bus, but it came under the contract uh through through Axon >> and and are those just I mean clearly we
just have a lot of people here uh and we're hearing about it more and more um that are sensitive to cameras and and from a security standpoint the license plate reader I get. I mean, we I I've had multiple conversations over the
years where we just don't have something like that and you guys do your best to find a car, identify it, and whatever, but this this would um it sounds like it would help. But with the sensitivities that we're hearing about cameras, like are these AI cameras? Like what what happens with this footage? How long do
we keep it? >> Cameras simply just allow the camera to designate the different a difference between a person, a vehicle. Uh, if I'm looking for a red pickup truck, it it that gives you the ability to do that. I I don't know what the stigma behind an AI camera is, but an AI camera is just a
smart camera that you can use for search capabilities and queries. As far as I know, that that's how we use it in in in law enforcement. Um, but what was the secondary question about the >> just in general like the use of the footage, right? Like I think what we heard >> So, it could only be accessed with a uh
a specific intent in order to uh follow up an investigation. It's very regulated. you're not allowed to just access the the the the data for, you know, any um without a legitimate law enforcement purpose is is the terminology that that's used. So, you can't just walk in, you know, put in your access and then start using and
it's audited multiple times a year. >> And is the data our data or does this axon have like all of the the data and they have access to it? So, it's stored in the cloud, but it's stored through a sieges compliant um uh secure cloud
server. >> Yeah. >> Which is shared through the county and the state for a legitimate law enforcement purpose only. So, let's say there's a stolen vehicle out of Caucus and it does enter our town as long as they enter it
through a application processing interface that we enter with the New Jersey SNAP, which is the New Jersey uh stateworked uh automatic automatic license plate reader program. As long as everybody who's on that program shares that information, we'll be able to see and
get hits on and they'll see our hits in case one of the vehicles that we're looking for hits in their towns, too. So, it's it's a shared network. Is it is it something that is widely used? Like are we the hundth or are we the first? >> Oh no, we're like the hund Yeah. >> It's been used by everyone else. We're just late to the game.
>> This is a very old program. Yeah. >> Okay. Thanks. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> All right. M uh are we okay with voting these together? >> Yeah. >> All right. Mr. Fina on both PS2 and PS3
>> PS3. Mr. Con You send me this. That's I show you all this. All this >> you're the three more people you're you can speak. Three more. Okay. Wait for three more people to speak. Okay. You're
interrupted. >> Almost ready. It's almost your turn. Almost your turn. >> Um Mr. Fina, please call a vote. PS two and three. >> Hi. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes. >> President Zano.
>> Hi, Mr. >> Cano. I >> Mr. Ramos. >> I. >> Mr. Russo. >> I. >> President Doyle. >> I. So, resolution T3 awarding a professional service contract in the amount not to exceed $107,583
to Ingenuity and Infrastructure to provide survey an existing underground utility investigative services for NJ DO fiscal year 2025 municipal aid uh Adam Street complete streets improvement
project funded by Hoboken parking utility. Mr. Councilman uh President Zano I believe >> I don't know who to ask on this one. I maybe you Caleb because I think we talked last time. I don't know >> uh this what was taken out of this on this
>> uh there's no design scope of work. So it is for subsurface investigation survey. Um, and so we can stay on time with our grant that we have for this, but there's not a scope of work where they're going to be articulating what
the right of way will look like on Adam Street. We'll be coming back >> from Newark to 8th on Adams. >> Correct. >> Oh, Greg can correct me, but that's pretty close. >> All right. So, and then we'll vote on that again. >> Correct. >> When a scope comes up. >> Correct.
>> Okay. And it's only because we got a complete street grant. if we have a timeline that we need to hit and the investigation work and the survey work that we have to do is going to be the same regardless of what the actual right ofway design is. So, >> okay. Okay.
>> Mr. Fina, please call the vote on T3. >> Mr. Con, >> I Fischer, >> yes. >> Mr. Jabore, >> yes. >> President, I can. >> Mr. Ramos, hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Doyle.
>> I I believe Anthony K is no longer >> with us. >> He left. >> Uh Ann Tuchelle. Tuchelle. I >> don't see her. Oh, she is. >> Thank you.
>> Good evening. >> Good evening. >> So, my name is Ann Tuchelle. I am the current board chair of Mile Square Theater at 1400 Clinton Street in Northwest Hoboken and I'm also a resident of Five Willow
Terrace and I am excited to be here um to talk about the northwest corner of Hoboken which is very exciting times. We have been delighted to work alongside many neighbors uptown,
Carpedium, Hudson Table, Gravity Vaults, and all of the businesses that are coming to the northwest corner of Hoboken. In the past few years, we've seen a farmers market uptown. We've seen the
pickle ball courts that get a lot of action, as you all know. and we are excited for the neighborhood to finally meet its full potential with a more welcoming and inviting gateway to our
city of Hoboken. So, I am here tonight on behalf of the Miles Square Theater Board of Trustees to urge you to vote yes on the Rockefeller development agreement. This partnership will bring residents and
additional commerce to the northwest corner of Hoboken. And we are thrilled and eager to have more foot traffic, more commercial venues uptown, and look forward to partnering with Rockefeller to provide
residents with opportunities to experience theater, live music, gallery openings, and numerous artistic experiences. So, thank you to those voting yes on this agreement tonight in first reading.
Thank you. Thank you. Um, >> Rosemary Markle. >> This is where I can speak about anything. Nothing. >> Yes. Anything. >> Thank you. >> I'm here to talk about what's going to be taking place on Grand Street and the
quality of life for the residents there. I received a Nixl telling me that a protected bike lane is going on the east side of Grand Street from 3rd to 8th. Imagine my surprise learning of this when it was never brought to the attention of those living there. The shock that no transparency on this decision. I'm not sure which is more
concerning of the nine points I will be addressing right now. One, a bumpout was put on the southwest corner of Grand and will have a protected bike lane. This street is near the nearest corner for the fire trucks and ambulance to turn. A study aka piece of paper from one of the
million engineers the city pays doesn't prove buttkiss to me. I live there and already a bad turn without shortening up the driving lane. Two, now the cars on the east side of Grander have to move for street cleaning. Lucky residents will now have free parking for
minimum of a year. We as residents will have no place for any friends or relatives that would like to come and visit. Great quality of life for us, but I guess who really cares if you don't live there? Acme already has a tight turn to get into deliveries. Now with cars push out pushed out about what 7
feet. How are they going to get in the parking lot? Again, I know that one of the million engineers the city pays has a paper that says it will work. They're going to take away another parking spot to help alleviate the truck's turn. Problem with that is that part that they
want to take away is where customers park. I live in reality under my window. This will be a problem. I guess maybe we don't need a supermarket anymore. Four. I own a tenement building that in the future may need new appliances. Do you think they will want to park in the only
loading zones that are let located at the middle of Fifth and Grand? They will have to walk two refrigerators. One they take out and one they bring back for a block or more depending on if that loading zone is free. Maybe I don't need to supply any appliances anymore. Five. There's a bar in our block that gets
deliveries. Where are his deliveries going to go? I'm wondering if they'll they'll want to walk the block in a half, but not really my problem, but I just thought I'd bring it up. Car services will no longer be able to pick up customers. They have to again go to Fifth and Grand to get a car ride. What if someone else in the area needs a car
service because of a disability or injury? Was not taken into consideration. Crossing Grand Street heading west is going to be a nightmare. Pedestrians now have to look both ways just to get past the protected bike lane. Let's face it, bikes go in any direction they want.
There's even a council woman, Mr. Boore, I've seen you several times go in the wrong direction, not even use the bike lane that is on Grand Street. Once past the bike lane, now you have to walk all the way out to the middle of the street because your line of sight is going to be blocked by the cars cars that are already pushed out. I guess this is all
to protect the pedestrians, correct? Eight. Not all cars are the same length. So, how will a car door open if you have ballards all along the bike lane and that's where the driver's door is? Something to consider. Nine. Can't wait to see how many cars are sideswiped by
the garbage trucks at night or the snow plows. Or maybe we won't get snow plows. Who knows? Five blocks is a pilot program to prove what? I read a paper somewhere that the mayor sent says prevent deaths on Grand Street. I've been living there for 65 years. I have not heard of anyone being killed on
Grand Street by pedestrian. We're going to send everyone down to ride the new five blocks on Grand Street for what? After you pass it, got to get back into traffic. We all get that the city really doesn't want cars. That's fine. Let's all lead by example. Everyone here should give up their car or their
spouse's car. Get rid of all those spots around city hall. Why do we need them? Mayor shouldn't have one. He should be walking as well. I spent over an hour in the engineer's office last week to hear how any of this is going to work. And all they kept saying to me is, "We did a study. I guess you use the tape measure
and it's all going to work out fine." They told me cars shouldn't be parked there for that long. They're going to get towed. Yeah. Okay. They don't get towed now for warehousing. They only move when the sweeper comes. I was told that this was a very wellthoughtout plan. Really, with all of these concerns, really wasn't very thought
very well thought out for this council and administration. Reality is not a concept. Quality of life is not a concern. I I I'm sorry to say it that quite a bit of you are looking to be mayor and run this city, but you all approved this at some point. How How did you prove this without any of these
needs being addressed? really am. It's It's a total disgust. I can't wait to see what Grand Street looks like with all the ballards, cars out in the middle of the street. Nobody knows how to park. But hey, it's my quality of life. Thank you for letting me vent.
>> Thank you. Um Anna Marie, >> yes. Yes. >> You're you're gonna have to write the name down. >> Would you like to speak into the microphone? Pascalina without touching it. No, no,
just just speak. >> I make sure. >> Thank you. >> You ran a law 10 minutes late. That's just intimidate. I not be intimidated. Number one. Number two. >> Can you can you speak to us? You do you want to speak to us? >> Yeah, but this I got to shut him. He put
a sign load zone. Stevie told me the director why you put this two sign you move out you put a 120 across the street from my house one day for one minute I park
there ready come the people say no that's a lot of zone you cannot park that's illegal what you did I show you the paper ready remember I never said you have this paper too that's a mafia and I not deal with the
maf. I not scared the muff sign also will this got to park all this I see different in the car to me this for 9 years they send me over there over there I'm not scared I not be I not give
up I not being intimidated don't waste no more time to send me paper or the if you illegal if you cannot park you don't have the plate where this people park with play you make if you give a
ticket you give a little zone of handicop or give a two ticket because you put two sign in the same place I show you you stop against me I don't want here no more you understand try to
steal me money to like you in this city how many time a lot of time arrest the people who steal do and I'm not surprised if they communicate stop be I tell the sign that's all I ask for
9 years I don't want to hear nothing else they send me that they send me that morning that morning have contract with with the city I know work for the city why she send me there and I went there I went there she's in a physical therapy
not that long time I am stressed try to hear all this do this and do this. I don't want to be arrested. I wanted the sign. I respect the people. They got respect to me. I think I said no. Now I see the next
step. This is good. It's a proof. You send me this and why you put the sign over there across the city to do favor the bar. I don't care. You want to do favor the bar. I don't care. You can do tons of favor. But why you make believe that I
cannot do Please, I don't want aggravation every week. I don't leave the com. Thank you every >> Thank you. >> But remember my to like all the FBI never stop want to steal me money. A lot of people do illegal activity. Who steal
money? Who do something illegal? That's make something a little bit. >> Thank you. That's not because he told me I said because
thank you Pascalina >> Patric Waiters >> Pat waiters Just to make you feel a little better for clarification purpose. >> What happened? >> You want to fix the clock? Is that okay? >> I'm sorry. Just for a little
clarification purposes. The letter didn't say that. She don't understand. That's what I'm trying to tell you, council president. When I said, "Could you just give a lame terms?" You never denied her. You just said that she didn't do the proper paperwork. Simply, I was trying to explain to her that all she got to do is register the vehicle
with motor vehicle. You just cannot skip those steps. And he did it very appropriately just to for clarification. But good job. Give him extra coins. Pat Waiters. I just want to clear up what happened to me today. I don't ever
want that to happen to nobody. I watched that video again. I'm getting back in touch with you, Miss Jabal, like you asked me. I'm doing it in a nice setting with all nine of you. I need your input. I don't fear the police. Excuse me. Where the director? Director left.
>> Director. >> Which one? >> Director to >> be more specific. >> Oh, well anyway, this go for director Fancy. And I'm serious. On a serious note, this is why I fight so hard for their salary. They job is not easy at all. Me being a former officer, I know
that. I don't fear the law. But to see Nora and you know Manny because I was I was in the real Pat wayers today, too. I get kudos. I was very professional. You see them attacking me on a video. And if that was back in the days, I'll be sitting in Kernney drinking hot milk and
a bologn sandwich. I'm telling you, I'm not letting nobody make me come out of my character. I love this city. I live here. All around the world, you see what's happening every time you turn that cell phone on. And don't act like you don't see it. I'm not allowing that in Hoboken. That's why I keep telling
y'all win or lose. I don't care about no election. I don't care about how many friends I lost or don't want to speak to me. I wanted to be over with already cuz I'mma still be Pat Waiters. And Mr. Doyle, you can at least leave and feel good about yourself cuz you leaving with integrity and respect like that other
young man said. Cuz it's kind of hard for people to look in your eyes and be disingenuine and desperate with money, power, and greed. That's not worth nobody's life. Y'all families live here. Your kids live here. Your your grandparents, your relatives, and we got
to grow up around each other. It's disgusting. You didn't know who I knew in that video. Two teenager girls walking by. Hi, Miss Waiters. Right, Manny? Are you okay? I'm like, yeah, I'm okay. But to see those guys jumping on me and Nora in the video, I'm like, Nora, who gave them the authority to be
here? This city council was supposed to work with the mayor. That's the first thing. Whoever the mayor should be, give the power back to this council. The mayor don't need that kind of power if he could do bad stuff and then don't even show up. He wasn't there and he was supposed to
be Mr. Zero. No zero. The whole program was his. And it's wrong. You going to let somebody come from the outside and then flash their badge? I was officer. This ain't their jurisdiction to be flashing no badge trying to intimidate me. I It
was rule. I was disrespected. Do not ignore me like they ignore my son or I will protest. I will get pictures and get justice for Pat waiters. I'm not living in this city like that. And this is for all of the people watching me and texting me. Yes. Don't wait for little
old lane pat waiters to see what I'mma do. No, I did not mess up no election. I want the election to be over with. And let's try these last two weeks to run it with integrity. Everybody blaming each other on who took what or what. It's horrible. People vote. I don't care
about posters, pictures, videos. That's not who vote. And I'm apologizing for the people that voted absentee already. My stomach hurt. I feel so bad whoever was coerced into voting absentee. And we going to be stuck with somebody that we don't need. I ain't going to say one. We
don't need another four miserable years. But I'm still here to help regardless to what. And please, council president, before you leave, look into that incident. I want to know who allowed him to come in our city because I will go to the attorney general's office. Thank
you. Won't violate my civil right. Thank you, Miss Waiters. Uh Manuel Rivera Solair. >> Thank you, Council President. Council President, I would like to take um a brief moment to acknowledge during the previous meeting, a previous meeting, I
may have spoken in a manner not fully aligned with the standards and protocol and decorum expected in this chamber and for that I have regret. Uh so I extend any uh apologies to you and the council
should you have been offended. uh which I don't think you were but uh I would also like to say that um the reason for said uh uh outburst perhaps was because of the passionate
intent that I have to protect the interest of fellow members of the public when they come up and speak and express themselves uh to this body and to have their concerns attended to in a proper manner. So thank you council president for that for
listening to that and also council president I would like to say uh as I look for my spot here uh as the consoler of the council unofficially as I always said I would like to say that there is good news that uh since our prior meeting there have been progress and we
do have um a little bit of uh uh consolation that the Israeli hostages have been reunited with their family and loved ones. Uh thank goodness and thank God to that. Um uh I just wanted to express that
because I kept uh speaking on it and that is good news. Now we cannot rest until um all families are um completed and have the remains of their family members returned to them as well. I also would like to say uh council president
um again that um very shortly we are going to have once again a consequential election for our uh city city that we all love in our separate ways or separate um pardon me
distinct manners. Um, but we have to ask our fellow members of the public and our residents to please discern from what they believe is truthful and what is not. The facts are the facts. We need to find them. We need to discern our
candidates, whoever they may be, she or he, and especially return the voice to the six ward. As a six resident, I felt or I feel unheard most of the time. I know it's an understatement
but for most of the people they feel that they have not been represented for almost representative for almost a year. So I hope that we in the six ward have the opportunity to select our candidate.
Some of my competitors are aren't here to express their concerns as well, but I'm assuming that they would also agree that it's highly important and it's about time that we get representation in the six ward. So, I urge my six board
residents, fellow neighbors to come out and vote. Tell your friends, tell your family, and early voting starts or commences uh October 25th and it ends November 2nd. and as well as obviously come out
and vote on election day, November 4th. So, these things are important, council president, and I'm glad that I'm able to express them. But again, as a uh member of the public who is very concerned, who loves this city, who was born here, and
will never stop advocating for all the things that she is entitled to. her neighbors, my neighbors, my friends, everyone has always urged me to do so. So that's why I'm here. And council president, with that, I'm going to say as I always do
and again and until uh we have peace in the Ukraine. We're going to say Slava Ukraine. Glory to Ukraine Slava. Glory to the heroes. And council president, I also want to take a few of
my seconds to also say that I was not in my previous um comments not for foreshadowing or boasting that I uh would be said candidate or member of the six ward when we were having that
banter back and forth whether it was in January or November 5th. It's just that I am trying to manifest it. This is how you manifest your fa. So to everyone who is competing or is a
candidate, bon bonus atus and council president, God bless you. God bless you all and God bless the six word. Thank you so much. >> Thank you Manny. And I stand corrected about I thought that the uh I thought
that the runoff applied but it doesn't. So, you were correct and best of luck. Uh, Lisa Dellesandro, >> hopefully you didn't jinx it. >> Hi, my name is Lisa Dellesandro and I've had the privilege of owning owning Clock
Tower since 2001. About 10 years ago, Mr. Capano and I work closely with the city to negotiate a 10-year extension of our agreement, a process that took nearly a year. I'd like to take a moment to respectfully recognize Jen Gaitano, who's no longer
with us, and who was such an important part of that effort, along with Councilman Russo and Councilman Doyle. Doesn't seem like it was 10 years ago. I can't believe we're here already. Over the years, the city and Clock Tower have built a strong and positive relationship
since the property was first converted into residential housing in 1972. There has always been a tax agreement in place, one designed to preserve and protect the affordability of our residents. We've always viewed this as a three-party partnership between the
city, the owners, and the residents. For the past 25 years, that partnership has worked well. Our resident retention is high. Turnover is low and the cooperative spirit has benefited everyone involved. If this agreement is allowed to expire,
all three parties are left in a place of uncertainty. The protections that help sustain affordability, including those covering the section 8 units, could be at risk. I think it's safe to say that none of us, not the city, not the owners, not the residents,
none of us want to see that happen. We're proud of our on-site management and maintenance team who care deeply about the property and its people. My office is just 20 minutes uh north in West New York. We're always available
and responsible and responsive. We've been trying to address this with the town since 2023 knowing that the expiration was in 2025. This delay is causing confusion and fear unnecessarily.
So tonight, I respectfully ask that you vote yes to approve the extension. Let's continue this successful partnership and keep Clock Tower a stable, affordable, and thriving part of our community for years to come. The tenants deserve the continued protections that they have
enjoyed for the past 50 years. Thanks. >> Thank you, uh, Tony Kapano. Good evening, council members. Um, thank you for putting this on the agenda this evening. Um, although it was listed as
an emerging item, which it certainly is. Uh, you know, we were here two weeks ago uh when the matter was on the agenda after a lot of uh correspondence between our attorney and corporate counsel and
uh we fully expected it to at least be heard on the first reading. Uh we were quite surprised, shocked at no notice to us that this no this uh resolution was going to be continued. Uh since then we
try to figure out why. Uh our attorney had been corresponding with corporate counsel asking what is the issue? How could we resolve this? There was no response. Uh I continued to reach out to our councilman, Councilman Russo, and he
kept trying to look into the matter. Um we understand. Okay. Uh, I had a nice conversation with Director Brown on Monday when I knew that he had a part in this, which I did not know, uh, of getting it onto the agenda and I
answered the questions I can. But the most frustrating thing for us is is that this has been now we had a great Zoom meeting back in July, council members, uh, corporate council, attorneys, director Brown to simply ask answer any
questions that you had. We answered them. We thought we did and we thought that now it's just a matter of getting it on the agenda. Uh again, it took from July, no correspondence, no questions at all asked by anybody to get it on the
agenda two weeks ago. Um then all of a sudden it got continued. Uh it's an urgent matter and simply for the residents. There were a lot of rumors, you know, how these rumors go back and forth around town. What's going to
happen if this tax abatement isn't renewed? What's it mean for our rents? And the only could say is they will go up significantly. We've done numbers. We didn't share those with the residents because they are quite significant. Um, and we don't want that. We don't we
don't want them to go another two weeks seeing what's going to happen. At least by voting tonight, and I hope you vote positively for this, we could at least say we're on the road to get there. And what are we really asking for? We're
simply asking for a continuation of a wellthoughtout document that was well written and had all interests uh accounted for back in 2015. Councilman Doyle, Councilman Russo, you
all know how long that took to do that document. It just wasn't us, you know, sitting around having coffee, okay? We had uh independent counsel from the town. They hired a housing consultant from the town. They we had the business administrator town. We had the director
of housing involved and other people. We hashed out. We met. We listen are your concerns of why if you would extend it, you would like to have these certain considerations. We went along and we agreed with that. And I always look at,
you know, how did a document of that, how has it worked in the past 10 years? I ask you, how many times have you heard from tenants complaining about their their rents? How many times you heard from tenants complaining about the conditions of the building? How many
times people come into our office asking, "Why is my rent so high? We explain how the structure works. They know how theru structure works." And nobody from the town has ever reached out to us with concerns by the
residents. So when you have a track record of that and and proof is in the numbers being an old accountant that I am is that simply we don't have turnover in that building. People like living there. They like living there because
it's very affordable place to live in Hoboken. They don't move. We have less than one unit a month turnover. Usually they're moving on to better things. They've saved money. They're moving on
into buying a home. Um, we have many city employees that work there. We have policemen. We have people from the Department of Public Works. We have people from the tax board or the board of education. We have people's uh employees children there living there.
It's a place where they could grow, save some money. And do people that live there for the past 10 years, existing residents, and this is very important, existing residents have never had their rent increased more than allowed by the
agreement, which is a simple CPI number that we get from the town. Okay, new people coming in, they know what their rent is when they move in. We have to now income qualify them as a request from the town. They have to be low such
income. And it really has worked. And we understand that the wheels of administration moves slowly. Got it. I'm over my time. So I just simply end by please vote on it this evening. Let's move on. Let us let our residents know
that the council here before us tonight has done the correct thing. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Pan. Uh Liam Cumins. >> Hi there. Uh my name is Liam Cummings. I've lived at the Clock Tower apartment
for 3 years now. Uh when I first applied to move in there, I was told there was an income limit that I had to meet. I wasn't really sure what that meant. I wasn't applying for a section 8 uh apartment. Later I learned that they're applying there was income restrictions because of the agreement you guys had
they had with the town. Uh that surprised me especially after you know looking for an apartment in Hoboken and then being told by tons of them that I just didn't meet their income requirements and just being simply told no. um
later also finding out the you know that same agreement capped uh rents at a certain at a certain limit. Uh so I'm just here tonight. I wanted to say thank you to the town and the property own uh owners for keeping programs like this going. Uh they make a huge difference
for a regular working person like myself. I really hope the council votes yes to continue the program. Uh there aren't many places left in Hoboken for you know a regular working person like myself to find a place to live. So thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Uh there are no other members of the public to close public portion. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> I um so we have >> um ordinance >> ordinance for introduction. >> You got it.
An ordinance amending chapter 192-4A parking for persons with disabilities to add preserved parking spaces. >> Mr. Con to call the vote. >> I miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Boore. >> Yes. >> Mr. President.
>> Hi. >> Pantero. >> Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Doro. >> I. Uh introduction on an ordinance amending to the Hoboken city code chapter 59A Department of Public Safety
Article 4 Division of Fire at section at section 59A-31 staff. >> Mr. Pina call vote. >> Mr. Con. >> I miss Fiser. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Yabore. >> Yes. >> PresidentO.
>> Yes. First reading. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. I >> present oil. >> I order for introduction amending chapter 190-9 entitled stop streets designated to add multi-way stop controls an
intersection on seventh street and garden street. >> Mr. Vina, please call the vote. Mr. >> Hi. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jabore. >> Yes. >> President Zano. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo.
>> Hi. President uh Doyle >> I number four was removed number five an ordinance amending an ordinance for introduction amending the north end redevelopment plan for the north end rehabilitation area
>> Mr. Fina please call the vote >> Mr. Con >> I >> Fiser >> yes on first reading >> yes >> President Xano >> yes I >> Mr. Canero >> I >> Mr. Ramos hi >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Doyle. >> No.
>> I think >> No. Okay. >> I looked at it quickly. >> Uh, an ordinance for introduction amending the redevelopment plan for the Northwest Industrial Redevelopment Area. >> Mr. Fina, please call a vote. >> Mr. Con. >> I miss Fiser.
>> Yes. >> Mrs. Jabore. >> Yes. >> President. Hi. >> Mr. Cano. Hi. >> Mr. Ramos. Hi. Mr. Russo. Hi. President Doyle. Hi. Uh new business we have >> now we have two resolutions well before
new business >> seven and eight >> um CD3 which is >> resolution of the city of Hoboken referring the ordinance amending the redevelopment plan for the northwest industrial redevelopment area to the city of Hoboken planning board for
review and report pursuant to the local redevelopment and housing law. >> Mr. Freda we voted >> Mr. Co. I >> it's got asterisks. >> No, he's he's already called the vote if you call. >> I
>> Mr. Fischer, >> yes. >> Mrs. Jabore, >> yes. >> Mr. President, >> I >> Mr. Cano, >> hi. >> Mr. Ramos, >> hi. >> Mr. Russo, >> hi. >> President, >> I down here
>> will humor us for the CD4. Councilman Russo's resolution the city of Hobok and referring an ordinance amending Northwest redevelopment plan >> 921 Madison off street parking to the city of Hobok and planning board for the review and
report pursuant to the local redevelopment and housing law CD4 Mr. Pina please call the vote >> Mr. Con >> I >> Miss Fiser >> yes >> Mr. Jabor >> yes >> presidentano >> hi >> Mr. Canero hi >> Mr. Ramos hi >> Mr. Russo.
>> Hi, >> President Doyle. >> I >> We have to be on asterisk patrol from now on. Apparently, >> new business. Do any members of the council like like to speak on on either of these? >> Okay. Vote on them together.
>> I'd like to vote. >> I think the first one is whether it's urgent or not. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. And I I if I I would like to say to um the the the public that I am to blame for at the
last meeting while it was not I that was asking questions. uh it was asked to carry it and Councilman Russo was was uh polite enough, diplomatic enough to to not object to that on condition or on
the assurance that it would be on the agenda tonight. Um and at the the agenda meeting last Wednesday, it was not on and I did not realize that. And we have
a rule where if it's not on by Thursday at 4:00, it doesn't get on. And so, uh, when Councilman Russo astutely raised the issue on Monday, I said, "Well, we've missed the deadline." And it's,
you know, and he being the uh, council parliamentarian said that he could introduce it as an emergency. and I said, "You're certainly welcome to do that if you have a co-sponsor," which actually I don't know who that is, but I'm sure there is
somebody. So, I I do have a It may sound I support it. I would have voted it last meeting had it not been carried. Um I support it tonight, but I don't know that I support the urgency, the you
know, the we gave a year last March. So, I understand and Mr. um Mr. Coupano, excuse me. Um I understand that tenants can be on pins and needles and worrying about what's you know if we were in
early March and it was only one more meeting and but I I I feel that the urgency is not there. So, I'm I'm apologizing in advance that and if it if if the urgent uh motion, excuse me,
resolution passes, then I will certainly vote for it today. But I'm not I don't feel comfortable fabricating an emergency. Um and so I won't be supporting NB1, but we'll take it from there. Council President, >> does anyone else like to speak
>> on on the emergency situation? Although I understand your position and of course I respect it. You know, we talk a lot about protecting our tenants. We talk a lot about how we're going to do that. We've changed our rent control
laws a number of times this past year. We have now changed how some of our uh landlords are reporting and we've been doing this consistently and constantly over the last year. And this to me is
exactly all of that for this specific building opposed to a different specific building. We've been talking about this for a long time. We as as a member of the public spoke. We were talking about this back in the
summer and we had we came to terms. Everybody was fine with extending this >> and hoping that it would be passed. And now we have residents in my ward who are concerned about a
massive increase to their rents per month in a tune of hundreds of dollars per month if a tax s charge gets passed on to them. We're approaching the holidays. People need to
plan for that contingency. To me, there is no more urgent matter than moving this forward so that they can plan through the holidays and into the new year for their rents because if it does not pass,
they will have to endure that increase >> in March. In March, in March, >> not this year, in March. >> In March. >> So, how are again I plan my budget long term. This is something that I would like to
give those residents the opportunity to be prepared for one way or the other. That's what I'm asking for tonight. This was not because it came up at the last minute. This was because there was an oversight at an agenda meeting and it wasn't put
back on the agenda. And I don't think the residents in Clock Towers should be penalized because of that oversight. President. >> No, no, no.
>> No. Well, she she signed up six times and they were different. >> No. No. Jim, >> I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I don't think No is the answer. Um >> but we extended the program for a year
in March. So >> their modification requirements [Music] >> they have notifications. I understand it, but deadline is before November 5th. >> What you said it was. >> We just said they would have to notify in November.
>> No, no. Before November 5th by law, >> 90 days. It's 90 days. >> Council President. >> All right. >> Council President. Councilman Cohen. >> Oh, go ahead. >> I'm sorry. >> Thank Thank you, Alice President. So >> then just vote yes on an emergency. If
if if you believe that to be the fact. >> This didn't come through committee. So >> Okay. >> So So I just want to take issue with some of what Councilman Russo said. Uh >> he was the proponent of this. We did hear this in committee. This issue was
not raised in committee as Councilwoman Fischer just suggested. uh I respect the fact that you know what your motivation is and to do this and you want to protect the tenants in this building. However, at our last council meeting, there was a tenant representative who got up and said that there were some
tenant concerns and in the two weeks since our last council meeting, you as the proponent have not, to my knowledge, addressed any of the tenant concerns that were presented. Now, maybe those concerns were not wellounded. Maybe they
were mistaken, but but they were presented to this council and there was a request made that we carry so that the tenant concerns that were they and they they weren't specifically addressed. Council >> President, I didn't interrupt you, council. >> When you're done,
>> thank you. >> So, they were not specifically addressed, but they were generally addressed and they were generally addressed by a member of the community who is a respected tenant advocate. Okay. M Miss >> please. >> Did I interrupt you, sir?
>> Thank you. Thank you. She's a respected tenant advocate, Miss Fallick. She came forth. I know that a lot of tenants communicate with her. A number of my colleagues up here have cited Miss Fallick as, you know, one of the most important tenant advocates in our
community. So it was not some random individual who came forward and in response to Miss Valick's comments, the majority of his council said, "We should put this off till the next meeting." So my only concern here is
that, and I get it. I mean, you're busy. You're running for office. You've got a lot on your plate, but this was an issue that could have been addressed between the last meeting and this one, and it hasn't been. Full stop. It has not. that has not been addressed. So that is my
concern. So I think if we if we waited another two weeks to have those issues, if there if they're valid issues, let them be addressed. If they're not valid issues, then that's fine, too. But I think that there should be closure with
respect to those concerns before we vote on an emergency basis on something that was not published on the agenda and the community did not have notice. Nobody here tonight has spoken other than the proponents of you know of the building who own the building or um whatever relationship you have to the building.
>> We have a tenant here from the building. >> Okay. So I get that and I and I understand that tenants and landlords have have a relationship such that tenants and landlords want to keep a good relationship. However, I'm not
saying that I still do not believe that the concerns that were raised by Miss Val have been addressed. I've not heard anything. >> Well, I appreciate your position, Councilman. However, >> Miss Fall came before the council to
express those concerns. I don't know where those concerns came from because they most certainly didn't come from any residents in Clock Tower because I haven't heard one concern about extending this. But it is possible that tenants communicated with her and not with you.
>> It wasn't my suggestion to remove it at the last meeting. So I did not have concerns about it. It was at the suggestion of Councilwoman Jabore that we remove it from the agenda. And I
and I had no problem with that. It was not my position to go explore those concerns. If the council woman had concerns about it, it was her opportunity to explore them. I did not have concerns. I was fully aware of what
was going on. I still am fully aware of what is going on and I have no problem voting on it tonight. >> We're talking about we're talking about an emerging situation because there was an oversight. I do not have control over the agenda.
That is the council president and that is the council vice president. So, I don't know why it was left off the agenda. I assume it was an oversight. Were there any other reasons? I have no idea, but we could allude to a lot of things.
I reached out to council president. I said that's not true. It was supposed to be placed back on the agenda. He did not want to do that. He did not want to do that. So, I introduced it in new business >> as per our rules. >> All right. And that's where we are. And
I think >> but don't but but but but to to characterize it as if there was not work done between the last meeting and this meeting that was not work that I needed to do. That was not work generated from
the residents of the building or the third ward. That was work that was asked of the council by someone other than a tenant in this building. >> You are the sponsor. >> Council. >> All right. Council, Councilwoman Fischer. >> So I I
>> can focus >> what? >> No, I'm saying if we collectively can focus on the issue of the urgency because we're until we get past that, we're not on the issue of the merits of this, which I've already
described my view on that. >> Um I'm not sure why I'm the only one who got that. >> No, I'm asking you to help. the you know this um the reason why it was delayed last time
was for everyone had a different reason but I would say the big part of the reason is we hadn't discussed it in committee it just got on the agenda without a discussion we had a discussion last summer I met with them we went through I probably spent more time in this
document talking with Brian on issues whether this went through the planning board or not over the last year. And so we agreed at some point. We just never got around to doing it. And suddenly without reviewing any of the document changes, it just got on the agenda
without going through committee. So there wasn't that conversation just to be on the same page. There's implications to this where if we agree to this, the building won't be under rent control, right? That has there's >> some portion. >> No, no. If we don't agree to it, the whole building would be under rent
control or most of it. Um, it won't be under rent control. It has rent control features in it that are very strong and it but it's complicated. So, we were going to have that conversation, but it got on the agenda. I was happy to see it delayed so we could have that conversation. Um, what I would say I
would agree with Councilman Cohen. Did you hear me? >> Okay. Um, I would agree that what >> not. >> That's okay. the um the notwithstanding whatever the technical issue, if I had a an important
resolution um that I was sponsoring, I would have made sure I got that call on Wednesday and said, "Is it on the agenda?" So, the fact that it was passed on to you and it was some sort of technical oversight is silly to me. But now here we are and I actually didn't even know it was on the agenda. Like I looked at the agenda over the weekend. I
went through things. Um didn't even know that this got added. So now we saw it tonight. It's been added. We still have not had a conversation. We need to have a conversation. We have our next meeting on the 12th. I think we can figure out a way amongst the three of us if you want to join um council president, but Mike
Phil and I um can figure out a way to like get on a call before then and just you know go through it. Um but to say that it's urgent, I appreciate the 90 days. I appreciate what' you say. >> Why would it? It might be community development south. But anyway, that's
that's >> it wasn't >> it wasn't it? >> No, it's been I think we it was like it was like an ad hoc thing and we just decided because >> but it was because I think it was because of the history was Mike and you
and I had spent a bunch of time on it. It stayed in the north because of the work that we had done. You had done in the past you had done in the past and uh and that's why um we had done it. if I mean I I don't think it's urgent. I appreciate the the tax thing. I hate the fact that they had to come out here
tonight. It isn't a first reading. It is an only reading. This isn't a first and second. This is like we pass it tonight and it goes away. Um so we don't have that opportunity to have a conversation in between. It's not an ordinance. Um but I for me it doesn't feel urgent
other than the November. Um I appreciate the 90 days and having to get that tax. I would just I personally would appreciate a conversation amongst everyone so we're on the same page um and we put it on the next agenda and we make a commitment Bill Mike and I make a
commitment that we will find a half an hour with Chris Brown between now and whenever the next agenda meeting is um which is next week I guess >> or it can just be put on and >> well I mean yeah but I think we have
>> just put on and if you don't get to it Yeah. So, I tips for I don't I don't want to vote on this um the urgent the urgency of it because we take the urgency of items very seriously and urgencies are often 24 hours or you know
you have to do it because we can't um we have to get something done before the next meeting. So, I will vote no on the urgency. >> Okay. Mr. Bina, please call a vote on NB1.
Mr. Con? >> No. >> Miss Fischer, >> no. >> Mrs. Jabore, >> no. >> President Xano, >> no. >> No. >> No. >> Ra. Uh, Mr. Ramos.
>> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> I >> President Doyle. >> No. >> Motion to close. >> Second. >> Second. >> Favor. >> I answer. Agenda