Copies provided bergen record also placed on a bulletin board in the lobby of city hall. Written objections if any shall be made to the city clerk. Let's cl >> to the flag of the United States of
America and to the stands nation. >> Now Mr. Clerk, call the role please. Mr. Con >> here. >> Mstone >> here. >> Miss Fischer >> here. >> Mrs. >> here. >> Mrs. Len
>> here. >> President. >> Okay. >> Mr. Cano >> present. >> Mr. Russo >> present. >> President President Ramos >> present. >> Okay. We're going to suspend the agenda
for a proclamation. I believe the mayor's first proclamation in the chambers. So here you go for Stratton. Council members, let's join with the mayor. >> Nice to be back with all of you. >> I don't want to mess with you.
>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Give everyone a chance. Hello. Hello. Okay. Um, so it is both with mixed feelings of sadness and pride that I have the opportunity to present a proclamation
this evening to our outgoing assistant business administrator, Caleb Stratton. And I first met Caleb, I will never forget the day actually, on the front steps of city hall. Uh, I was running for city council in 2017 and I happened to be with Councilman Jim Doyle who said
to me, "Emily, you need to meet this guy. This is the smartest guy in that building. His name is Caleb." And that has never left my mind. Um, Caleb's imprint on this city cannot be described succinctly. Uh, but it is done from a
place of humble public service because Caleb truly is one of the smartest people in this building and he has worked on projects that will forever change the course of Hoboken's history. And in a chamber where we often don't agree on any number of policy matters, I
am quite confident that all of the council members here believe in the integrity, intelligence, and how just standup good of a guy Caleb Stratton is. Uh it is truly an honor that I have the opportunity in as mayor to provide this
first proclamation of my tenure to my very good friend Caleb Stratton who's going on to become the business administrator in his hometown which is a wonderful opportunity for him to get better balance in a universe where you have families and young children. He
gets to enjoy a bit more easily all the most wonderful moments of his children and I know how important that is to him. Um it is a tremendous loss to Hoboken but it is for a great reason and it is all about his success and for that I am so grateful and very happy for you
Caleb. >> Um so I've known Caleb a little bit longer, just a little bit. Uh when um former mayor Zimmer asked me to be on the community advisory group for Rebuild by Design, it was running through the second ward. I didn't know much about
it, but Caleb was the guy. He was the one that, you know, spoke to all the neighbors trying to explain to them why the flood waters will not go up if you put a a wall in front of it. Right. How many times did you say that over and over? Yeah. And I still say it to my neighbors that are new. Um but most importantly, through the year, he's
played a number of hats. um stepped into a role as both um assistant business administrator as well as business administrator and really just delivered on so many levels and did it in a way that you always knew there was integrity behind it. Um I echo uh what Mayor
Jabbor said, it's a huge loss for Hoboken. Um I would add to his new opportunity because we talked about it because he's so smart. It may be a smaller town and close by, but lots of complexity that he's ready to dig uh his teeth into. And you know, we're going to miss you and we just thank you for all
you've done for us for, you know, the last decade or so you've been here. >> Anyone else? >> Um, for all this talk of integrity, I think I loaned Caleb $5 a year ago and he hasn't paid me back. So, um,
but I've known Caleb for about four years, four of the best years of my life. Uh, and I mean, look, I'm going to echo everything everybody said. uh professionalism, steadfastness, integrity. Sure. Um uh but I I will miss you. I'll miss your
uh your expertise, your guidance, your your steady hand. It's a lot of things that um are not always readily apparent in municipal government. Uh and just so just the calmness uh that you brought to everything. So, I appreciate your your
your uh expertise, your advice, uh your stewardship, and best of luck in all your future endeavors. >> So, I've served on the city council for a long time, five different administrations now. I think I've served with maybe about a dozen business administrators through that course of
time. Um, and with all those business administrators, they all had great qualities in the city of Hoboken and all did very many things for the benefit of all of you and the city. But Caleb, the one thing that I must say about you is you have always been a straight shot. You have always told it like it was,
whether that was good news, bad news, or indifferent. You were there for us. You told us what we needed to hear despite what we wanted to hear. And I think that's an amazing quality. I think you're going to go on >> the information as it should be. and he was fair to every single one of us whether we're allies to the administration, not allies to the
administration. He has gave us the best information possible to make the best decisions possible on behalf of the residents of Hoboken and we appreciate that from you, Kayla. So, God bless you. Good luck to you and your family. It's welld deserved and we're going to miss you, buddy. >> Thank you very much. Um, this is unusual
for me because I usually don't come to these type of meetings to talk about myself or hear other people talk about me. So I want to say thank you to the council. Uh I want to say thank you to the community for giving me the opportunity to serve in Hoboken. Um despite what might occur in the
conversations that you have or the conversations that occur on this dis every person here is looking out for the best interest of Hoboken and that's something that's always guided me in my career and so thank you for the opportunity. Thank you all for coming and participating and um I will be in
touch. I'm not going anywhere too quickly. So many of you have my personal phone number so I expect to get a call. Thank you all. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. >> No problem. Thank you. Thank you. Urban
lawyer >> physically agile. >> Okay. Next up, we're going to have a 10-minute presentation by New Jersey Transit. Just introduce yourselves. One person on the microphone.
at the speaker just say their name for the record so everyone here and at home knows who you guys are and then we're going to do uh 10 minutes from you guys then a Q&A for members of the council after that. So if members of the council hold your questions till after the 10 minutes so take notes uh and we'll be
okay. Hi I'm Paul Wyoff I'm chief of government relations for New Jersey Transit. I'm here with my colleagues Barbara Lazaro who's our senior director of community relations and Elizabeth Dilva who is our regional manager of community relations for Hudson and
Hoboken. Uh before we get into the main program, I just want to say thank you to the council and especially to the DPW. The job they did of clearing the streets after that recent heavy snowfall was exemplary and it helped our bus operators and our customers, your
constituents tremendously. So, thank you very much. >> Thank you. So, I know that the uh council president is interested in brevity and >> this is an overview that's going to focus on the effect upon Hoboken and
your citizens of our service disruption that's coming up Sunday. Sunday. Monday. All right. First, an overview. The portal bridge, you can change this slide. The portal bridge carries Amtrak's northeast corridor over the
Hackinack River. It's 116 years old and it is showing its age. It breaks frequently. It doesn't close right, doesn't open right. At times Amtrak even has to have uh rail guys out there with sledgehammers banging the rails back
into alignment so trains can move. We New Jersey Transit and Amtrak have been partnering for about four or five years to build a new portal bridge. If you've been by Sukakus uh junction, you've seen it. It's now at the stage where we can move one track from the existing bridge
over to the new bridge. The existing bridge has two tracks. The new bridge has two tracks until a future uh project when we can add more add more capacity. Uh unfortunately, it's much more complex than just opening up another lane on the
highway. Why not just remove the jersey barrier, right? Unfortunately, the work on the bridge isn't so complex, but on either end, they have to build new switches, new connections, and new wiring.
Keep going. Okay. Uh the two pictures on the left are what tell the story. The top picture you can see the existing track on the current bridge and you can see sort of the the ramp if is the equivalent of the new track coming in
for the new bridge. Right? Well, what's right in the middle? A catinary pole. So, that's got to be moved. If you move that, you can't run trains on the existing track, right? Meanwhile, down below you can see that spaghetti of wiring which handles signal, signal
power, communications, the automatic train braking system which is called positive train control. It takes a lot of work on each end of the bridge and it's going to take a month from February 15th to March 15th. That's going to shut us down to a
onetrack railroad between Newark and Sukakus, which means capacity is cut by 50%. What that means for Hoboken is just like during a service disruption now at Penn, New York or on that up that end of the
tracks, Midtown Direct is going to go to Hoboken except it's not just for a few hours. It's every weekday. Uh weekends are fine because Amtrak already shuts one of the two tunnels down every weekend for maintenance. So we're already down to a one track uh railroad
on weekend. Okay. As I said, one month it's going to take. Amtrak is doing the work. It's their bridge. They're putting in the track and the wires and everything. It's going to disrupt schedules, adjusted schedules for all our customers, but particularly those on
the Midtown Direct. Uh there'll be the usual impacts from that sort of thing, delays, allowing more time and so on. Next slide, Elizabeth. Next slide. Okay. Our rail planners and Amtraks got together a year ago to
figure out a schedule to maximize capacity while maintaining service on every rail line and keeping everything safe. And the plan they came up with was divert Midtown to Hoboken.
Next slide. What does that mean for for you all? What it means is a lot more trains and a lot more people particularly during the peaks 6:00 in the morning until 10:00 and about 4 till about 7:30 at night.
And what that means is that we and our colleagues at PATH, particularly at New York Waterway, and our bus folks who run the 126 and the other service have all been figuring out how do we divide those
volumes of people up so that because not one uh mode path can't handle it all. Okay. Uh but if some people go to PATH, some go to the fairies, and some go to the 126, we'll be all right because we're augmenting
extra buses on the 126, particularly uh uptown from the terminal so that we minimize the wait for people at places like 11th and so on, so they don't just have to stand there while full buses come up from the terminal. We insert
them there. and having more buses in reserve. Uh New York waterway, we've chartered additional ferry boats which are the biggest they have 500 persons and which are the least affected by ice.
Crossing our fingers that our current heat wave if you want continues. Okay. And PATH has augmented its service to the extent it can. But the key is going to be people people diverting and
dividing up. Uh our customers, your constituents, our regular customers are pretty savvy. After about a week, they everybody finds their best course. We saw that after 911. We saw it after the summer of hell in 2017. We saw it a year
ago when path shut the hoboken station. But nonetheless, that first week there's going to be disruption. And that's why we are going to message as heavily as possible. And PATH is mess messaging and New York waterway is messaging. You
know, people should go earlier, go later, work from home if they can an extra day, particularly Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, which we all know are the heaviest days now. Yeah. Fridays are the lightest. Mondays are the next lightest. Weekends are still pretty heavy because everybody wants to go to the city, but nobody wants to go
to work, right? Uh we will have dozens and dozens of our customer service ambassadors out. PATH will have its ambassadors. And the key here is we're cross honoring with all those modes. The bus, if you're a Midtown Direct
customer, you just show your ticket which says Hoboken or New York City. You can get on the ferry, you can get on the 126, you can get on PATH, okay? At no extra cost. And the fair for those folks who are on the Midtown trains from the
Morris and Essex from the Montlair Bootton from the Gladstone line the fair to Hoboken is actually less than it is to pen New York. So that's a little bit of a mitigation for having to go from a one seat ride to a two or even three seat ride if they take
the subway or the New York waterway bus once they get on the other side of the river. Next slide. Uh weekends, as I said, there's no there's really no change. Thankfully, there'll be some schedule changes, but the actual trains don't change. Midtown will go to New York because it's already
a onetrack railroad because Amtrak closes one of those two tunnels. Next, and that's the overview, the very quick overview. Uh we are doing everything we can to mitigate the impact.
uh knowing that your residents, your constituents, the folks who take the path and the 126 every day, you know, do not want to be crowded out by all the folks from the Midtown Directs. And we value your input, the mayor's input
immediately, uh Jensen's and Caleb's to let us know if things aren't going well. You know, if if you see something, we generally these days hear from our crews. We hear from social media right away. People are right on the horn
telling us something's going on and you you folks uh in town. >> So Q&A was it council council Firestone? >> Council President, thank you and thank you for coming uh to describe some of these issues to us.
>> A little louder Stephen to the mic. >> I know it's a challenge uh and and and I appreciate that you come these issues to us. I'm wondering you mentioned a couple times about augmented service in the mornings these days. So what exactly does augmented service look like? Can you quantify that for us? If
I'm talking about five to six 126 buses going by in an hour now, how many am I looking at under this, you know, new augmented service? Thank you. >> Yeah. What bus has uh done is they've said all right knowing the loads we have now and the 126 by the way has grown
like topsies since the last 10 years. It's up to I think 11,000 people a day now. In fact uh in some previous disruptions when path was down people who shifted to the 126 stayed at the 126. That's one of the reasons why it's
grown so much. Uh so in addition to the buses we have now they are deploying anywhere from 6 to 12 additional buses which are being hired from academy uh to put into the routing
not down at the terminal so much but as I said on the way uptown so that to minimize any additional waiting that's the qu and they're going to have others academy will have others in reserve erve in case things really uh if
there's a real problem like for instance you all heard about the uh disruptions yesterday uh on the northeast corridor. >> Yeah. >> So we're we're making the best contingencies we can for that and the only real contingency we have is bus.
>> Thank you. >> Yep. >> Question. Sorry. >> Thank you. Uh thank you. So um my question is I have two. So, uh, sorry about that. Um, you will be starting, just clarify, you will be starting many
additional buses on Washington, maybe at the midpoint of Washington. So, our residents should be advised to maybe walk to the midpoint as opposed to the station. That's great. Will you will the customers have any visibility um into
the weights on these various modes while they're you know arriving into Hoboken station so that they can make that decision real time whether to go bus uh you know path bus path or ferry >> sure you know our various apps the path
app our my bus app all give some of that or all of that information so they We always ask that people keep up cuz and make sure their phones have the push
notifications uh you know turned on so they get the very latest. >> Thank you. >> Fisher. >> Yeah. Um when I we talked briefly and when I originally spoke with the representative from the path that we
often speak to um he mentioned and if you could talk a little bit about order of magnitude um that there are approximately 4,500 more people that would have taken the trains directly into Manhattan that are getting off now
in Hoboken. So we're absorbing like 4,500 people into our morning and evening commutes. Is that the right number? Does it sound like >> it's more than that, Councilwoman? It's about >> That's the wrong answer. >> 4,500 per hour during from 6:00 to 10:00 and reverse
coming out of the city in the evening. >> So I maybe I have the numbers wrong, but when they closed the path train, they told us that there were 10,000 people a day that took the path into the city. So
you're So that's 10,000 people including people from the trains as well as Hoboken people. It sounds like order of magnitude. It's much bigger than we think. So four or five extra buses and a couple extra fairies I'm not sure feels like it's going to
absorb your 4500 per hour. Like has have you done that math that like Okay. >> Yeah. Our planners have sat down path. Yeah. >> Us New York waterway. Uh the boats we're getting from New York Waterway have 5
extra boats in addition to their regular boats have a 500 person capacity. >> Yeah. >> Uh not the best time of year to ride the ferry, but nonetheless, >> PATH has a certain amount of capacity on the trains. Uh although,
excuse me, the uh Peak Peak trains of course are very crowded. >> Yeah. and the bus people have thrown are basically throwing everything they can in. >> Okay. So, that gives us all a lot of confidence that we're going to have long
lines at every single every whether it's bus, the uptown fairies, the downtown fairies or the path into Midtown are going to be I'm just making doubly crowded for everyone. So, so what's the
what what do Hoboken residents get out of this other than yet another nightmare and a headache? What we got last time when the path closed is everyone got to ride the ferry for $3, right? We everyone in the city, we made it so everyone could get on for $3. Now we're
just doubling the crowding and we're just absorbing this where the people that are inconvenience because they have to have two stops are getting a reduced ticket and a free a nice ferry ride across the river. So, is there anything
that Hoboken can get out of this? The Hoboken residents, it's hard for us. I, you know, I'm, some of us send newsletters out regularly, me being one of them, and I can't even wait to send that newsletter out saying that your weight is potentially going to be double. And no, you're not getting anything from this.
>> What I think they're getting is a better system in general across the state. >> Yeah. uh you know that that same argument if you will is Hudson Countywide when it comes to the
gateway tunnel, >> the tunnel formerly known as Ark, >> right? >> And transportation in New Jersey is a system. >> If one leg fails, everything fails. So if the portal bridge continues to have
major major problems, a lot of those people are coming to Hoboken anyway >> on an unplanned uh basis. So improvements to the system in one important place make the whole system flow better. That's the benefit
for all of us. I what I would say then a great commitment you can give us is to come back and commit to giving us a third 126 line on the west side of Hoboken for all of our future growth to pull people off the path >> to improve the system regionally is
adding more buses I think in Hoboken. So will you come back and talk to us about that? >> Yeah, >> we certainly will look at that. Sure. >> And you know you and I have talked over the years and there's a lot of interest and in fact it was designed to have it a new >> light
>> station >> uptown. >> Yeah. >> Uh in fact that specific section of track which is before a curve >> from the very start the planners contemplated someday building something there >> and with the development that's going on
that's the kind of planning that we and you together have to do to accommodate. >> Awesome. Love it. >> Y >> and love that you said that publicly. >> Just council. >> Yeah. Just to double down on Councilwoman Fischer's statements,
you essentially said we're you what we're getting out of this is a feeling of altruism and hey, we're all in this together as a state, which is great, but you know, here in North Jersey, we use this public transportation way more than everybody else. So, so
cool. Um, but I I agree with her. We want tangible things out of this. So, if we're going to sacrifice again, we we want something tangible, physical. 100% agree on the third bus bus line, Madison. Uh we've been calling for that for a decade. Um I have absolutely no
reason why that hasn't come to fruition. From my understanding is the 126 bus is like one of the only profitable lines. So, give us more buses. As Councilwoman uh Firestone was saying, I see poor souls on Clinton and Washington Street watching buses go by day after day after
day after day and that's just not right. Uh and then with the other one with the with the light rail station when we had the presentation, it was very expensive and it seemed like we were going to have to fit the bill on that. So I would expect >> New Jersey Transit
to fit a significant portion of that bill and and make it happen. Those are the things that I would want to see. >> Yeah. What I what I'd like to add uh to build on uh Councilman is like every government agency like your
city, money is always an issue, funding is always an issue. Uh and what we've been doing in recent years is partnering with developers. you know, unlike other jurisdictions, including New York and
the MTA, people are building uh pretty much by every rail station we have, transit oriented development, we don't get a penny out of that, you know, and everybody says, "Oh, you're getting more riders." Well, we lose money on every trip we we give and we don't make it up
on volume. Okay, that's the reality. Uh so we've been partnering with developers to capture a little of that benefit from them. improving stations uh like in Somerville for instance or Morristown
uh here in Hoboken with uh it's Hobok and connect connect I think it's called now. All right. Uh and that's what we'd look to do up at 15th because it really we're at the stage and
you folks all know the state budget's not in the healthiest shape either. There's a lot of challenges for our new governor there. It takes everybody pitching in to make things work. >> Yeah. Just I appreciate that wholeheartedly,
but it seems like the residents in the city of Hoboken are going to get a double detriment while others are actually getting a benefit financially during this short period of
time. in in the grand scheme of things, right? So those who are traveling from outside the city of Hoboken are actually paying less to get into the city. Residents in Hoboken are still paying the same and now they have that that detriment of an increased number of
people in our city waiting on longer lines for buses, fies, etc. Right? I think what and it's always nice that we get to say it publicly and on the record of the things that we want from transit from from Port Authority, anyone else
involved in this conversation, but those things need to be tangible and they need they need to be there needs to be a follow-through on that, right? We need to not just say it here at the council hoping that you're going to come back to us and say, "All right, we're going to get another 126 line or you're
going to pay for the light rail station that we're looking at up at 15th Street." Right? Sounds great, but I need to feel it. I need to see it. I need that tangible action, right? And that I think is what the frustration, at least for me, and I think a lot of my
colleagues on the council over the years, we continue to run into, right? When we started talking about the 15th Street light rail station, I I sat at this deis and talked about why are we paying for all of that upfront to to study it. It shouldn't have been the city of Hoboken's responsibility. If
we're looking at that as a regional part of this system, it should not have been paid for by the residents in the city of Hoboken. Should have been paid for by transit. Right? So, those are the things that really get me frustrated when we have these conversations. Look, these
these things are inevitable. We're going to have to make repairs. We're going to have to make changes. We're going to have to increase capacity. All of that is true, but you can't continue to go to the well and still only have one community like Hoboken
have the detriment all the time. And I think that's what you're hearing from my colleagues. And I think that the, you know, look, this this is this has to happen. We all get that. But we're gonna insist that we're gonna have those conversations to make sure that those things happen.
>> Absolutely. >> Isn't there absolutely, you know, I obviously it's above my pay grade, but I'll take that I'll take that back to >> I'll take that back to the CEO. Obviously, >> I said, couldn't we even just get something like 10% off bus during this month? Can Can we even get something
like a 10% off the bus fair for the month if you just are swiping? You know, something where you can offer something to Hoboken residents. I'll take that back. >> All right. >> I can't make that decision, but I'll take that back. >> But that may be a way to just recognize
like what we're all saying. I mean, this is, you know, we have tra we we have travel Armageddon in Hoboken all the time. You had your your summer of hell. We have like our >> week of Armageddon. >> One day a week of something. >> Exactly. It's crazy. So, something like that would be um helpful. And as just to
to um add to what Councilman Russo is saying and we talked about this briefly when we last spoke, it would be great to fully engage around the light rail. You talked about some history and support that's not what we've heard, you know, from our last administration. We talked about involving Senator Stack, you know,
we hawk and etc. like it's a regional it's a it's critically important for the entire region and we should just get in a room as quickly as possible because thinking about it now we can figure out how to fund it later right so >> coordinated planning is the key you're
right counciloman >> I'm going to briefly quadruple down on the uh we've passed two resolutions for trans explore uh Madison Street bus line because we know the development we've approved moved on the west side of town
and the long lines that already exist on Willow and Washington Street. Crazy that that is uh a deserved line in the city of Hobok. We have uh upwards of 6,000 units going in the western part of our city and I think that's a number of riders that moving here to go to New York City and work in Jur City area but
within our city of Hobok and then that's something that we definitely haven't heard any feedback back. We passed two resolutions in the last eight years on that. We passed a resolution another uh that affects all residents of Hoboken is the light rail crossing on passing plank
road to have that elevated so that can move traffic a lot smoother on that side. So New Jersey Transit also has an impact on that in a negative way on the city of Hobbook and we have like a little albatross there around our next little bit and obviously a little cost deferral the 15th street future 15th street stop where a number of residents are also going to be living in the near
future uh could also help us there as well but a 10% immediate uh impact for our residents that use it daily already and waiting on on on long lines on Willow Alley. wife is one of them. So, I know she'd appreciate that. And I'm happy wife, happy life, right? So, if
you could help me out there, I'd appreciate it. >> New York Water New York Waterway gave us a the path gave us whatever 70% off the ferry tickets and for the $3 ferry tickets at the time when they shut the pass station. And all we're asking for is $10 off three bucks.
>> But, but again, as >> 10% off, sorry. as as New Jersey grows. Yeah. >> Right. And and Hoboken has been in the forefront of helping grow New Jersey economy for the past 20 years >> and we haven't seen a lot of reciprocity >> from transit levels to this magnitude
that we need it now where we've grown. We've we've played our part >> to be an economic engine for the state of New Jersey. So, we need you guys to help us play your part as well as we move forward with this or else we're going to be strangling ourselves with our proper growth. I hear you loud and clear and I'm dating myself, but I remember when you could get a a small
brownstone for 75 grand here. So, >> I am dating myself, but yeah, there's no question the growth that has occurred here uh the entire quote I haven't heard the term Gold Coast in recent years, but you know what I mean. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> It's uh
it's astounding at this point. >> We have platinum at this point. >> Yeah, at this point, right? We have we have 20% more. Our population is supposed to increase another 20% and we already just grew 20% and didn't do anything to expand our transportation. We're growing another 20% in the next
about 7 years and we have to grow our public transportation or we're just going to be choked. >> 20% off for the 20%. >> 10 to 20. Excellent. >> I think we even got the tagline ready for you. >> Well, we we appreciate you being here tonight. Uh, I think we all have your number. So, make yourself readily
available. And I think uh a future meeting, director Gonzalez, you and I spoke about this in the past month uh to have a meeting with transit on these items. So, let's we get that on the schedule. Uh we really appreciate that. >> And I'm going to put the onus on uh my team member Elizabeth. But yeah, you've got our numbers. We talked some of us
have talked a number of times over the years as issues have come up. >> You know, I can't to take a a page from uh Caleb. All right. I can't always guarant I often can't guarantee you an answer you're going to want to hear. That's okay. >> But you're always going to get a response and you're always going to get an answer.
>> That's important. Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate that. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> All right. We're going to go to ordinances for second reading. >> I'm just passing. >> Uh Mr. Sole, you have J1. There's no J1 on the agenda.
>> Is that J1? >> Not yet. >> This is important. That looks like a one, right? >> Voting zones. >> All right. J5. Thank you. >> This is insane. Mr. Clerk. Yep. We're ready.
>> Uh hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 192 entitled parking for persons with disabilities to reassign a reserved parking space on Boomfield Street. establish a new space on Castle Point Terrace and relocate a space on Willow
Avenue. Uh, Mr. Solair. >> Yeah. >> Is that all right? >> Thank you, Council President. And good evening. Good evening, members of council, members of the public. Council President, uh, as I was sitting listening to the other presentation, I was able to finish reading the the
ordinance, um, I was just >> a little uh, >> confused because I thought this uh, when I saw it said Willow, a parking for a person with disabilities, I thought it was from a member of the public that usually comes up and asks for her um, spot, but it is not her. So, I will
decline to to uh uh continue further other than to say thank you for the the um the promptness of these uh parkings for persons with disability. But if we could please uh help the member of the public who will be should be speaking
later, but um I will say her name is Pasqualina. She's been waiting for her spot uh for quite a long time. >> So, I appreciate it and I yield back. >> Thank you. Motion to close public hearing. Oh, Pat Waiters, you on are you on are you on J5 also? Miss Waiters,
>> Pat Waiters, I'm going just piggy back what the last speaker spoke about. That's what I was going to speak about. 10 Willow 11 Willow >> Castle Point Terrace relocate. >> Yes. Anyway, she's under the impression that after the snow and stuff clear that
she will be getting this spot done. It's just that there's a lot of snow and ice around her house right now. So, this is, you know, just to make sure >> 20 days after. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay.
>> Pascalina, we'll let you talk. Go ahead. Pascalina. >> Everybody know me already. I waited 10 years. That's the f I got 10 years ago. So, I think I'm a tight waiter. I did everything I supposed to do. Now not the snow can do nothing but
soon finish people. >> All right. >> So if there's no finish decided the pool yes or no >> 20 days it's 20 days after the passage of the ordinance is when they go in. >> How long we wait?
>> 20 days. >> Okay. In March I going to get >> 20 days from after the passage tonight. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Motion to close public hearing. >> Motion. >> All in favor? >> I call the robus clerk.
>> Mr. Con? >> Hi. >> Mr. Firestone. >> I >> Miss Fiser. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Imus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. L. >> Yes. >> Mr. Presidento. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. I >> President Ramos >> I >> hearing on an ordinance amending and supplementing an ordinance establishing the schedule of classifications and allocations of the title of the
hearing mention positions in the city of Hoboken. >> Motion to close public hearing. >> Motion >> second. All in favor? >> I. >> Any questions on the members of council? >> Uh just clarifiation. This is the uh contractual increases, right? >> Yes. >> Yep.
>> Mr. Cler, call the vote. Mr. Con. >> Hi. >> Feel stone. >> Hi. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Imus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Lac. >> Yes. >> Mr. >> President. >> Yes. >> Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi.
>> President Ramos. >> I. >> Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 184 towing of Hobok and city code. Amend. Amend permitted number of contractors tow companies. >> Motion to close public hearing. Motion >> second in favor.
>> I cler question roll. >> Mr. Con? >> Yes. >> Mr. President, >> hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. I
>> hear on an ordinance 20-3 operation for the hop bus stop at the multi-ervice center on Saturdays. >> Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion >> second. All in favor? >> I clerk vote.
>> Mr. Con. >> Firestone. >> Yes. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Yes. >> Mrs. Le? >> Yes. >> Mr. Zano? Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos.
>> Hi. >> Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 190 entitled loading zones, added loading zones on various locations. >> Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion. >> Second. All in favor? >> I vote.
>> Mr. Con? >> I miss Fiser. Yes, >> Mrs. Zyus. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes, >> Mr. Presidento. >> I can >> I >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos.
>> I hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 168 entitled Streets and Sidewalks to add Hobok and Housing Authority waste containerization locations. >> Motion to close the public hearing. >> Motion. >> Second. All in favor? I
>> I >> members of the council clerk call the vote. >> Mr. Con? >> Hi. >> Stone. >> Yes. >> M. Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> Mr. Presidento.
>> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> I. We're in our public portion for comments on the agenda. Uh first speaker will be Liz Nadoi
CL4. Good evening. My name is Liz Conand Doy. I have been a proud resident of Hoboken for almost 50 years and live at 235 Garden Street. Congratulations to our newest council members and
special congrats to Councilman Ramos on your appointment as council president. I look forward to working with all of you in the future. I have been proud of this council on many occasions in the past. You have led the way in this state on
passing resolutions on climate change, environmental justice issues, safe streets, and LGBTQ plus rights. You adopted the Hoboken immigrant trust act, which codified our city's commitment to
being a fair and welcoming city. In short, on many issues that I feel are important, you have shown courage and leadership. Other municipalities throughout the state have adopted similar resolutions because we did it first.
Most importantly, the collective power of some of these resolutions went all the way to the state house in Trenton and became state law. You and I have much to feel proud of. But tonight, I am calling on you again
because a new threat is upon us. As you know, on February 1st, 2026, federal immigration agents arrested an individual on the border of Hoboken in Jersey City. They came in unlicensed
vehicles. They came masked and without identifying badges. They came without a signed judicial warrant. And they denied this man his due process. Just whisked him away without any visible cause. The
federal agents acted as if they were above the law and without any consequences. Council members, the community of Hoboken is scared. We are feeling outraged. We are feeling threatened. We
have seen what is happening in Minneapolis and we do not want that to happen here. Renee Good, Alex Prety, US citizens and others have been murdered or incarcerated trying to protect and defend their neighbors. We do not want
that to happen here. We see on the news almost every night, families, excuse me one minute, families being ripped apart, people being pulled from their cars, reports of children being too afraid to go to school, parents too
afraid to go to work or even buy groceries just because they have immigrated to the US. In many cases, seeking asylum. We do not want to see people suffering like that here. I want to reiterate that I'm proud to be a
Hobokenite. I'm proud for many reasons. One of my top reasons is because this city was made great in large part by waves of immigrants. Dutch, Irish, Germans, Italians, Eastern Europeans, Latinos, Indians, Asians, Caribbeans,
Pacific Islanders, Africans, and many I'm sure I've missed. They work the thankless difficult jobs in cleaning, construction, in restaurants, in the caring professions, in sanitation, in delivery, etc. And similar to what goes
on presently, making life better for the wellto-do of Hoboken. I am sure that every Hoboken Council member has friends, family, and constituents who are living the immigrant experience. Right now, being an immigrant in the US
is a harrowing experience. A life of living in the shadows and hiding from the forces that threaten to abduct you and tear you away from your family and safety and send you to a concentration camp in god knows where. I am white
obviously and live a life of privilege and can only imagine what life must be like for those who live in constant fear of ice. Through my teaching and volunteering work, I hear and s hear and see some of the anxiety and tension that
many who live and work here are feeling. Some of my senior and homeless arts students talk to me about their fears. And now even US citizens whose ethnic and racial identities leave them vulnerable to racial profiling by ICE
are victims of fear as well. Do we want Hoboken to be such a place of terror? I know that you believe not and we believe not. >> 15 seconds, Liz. >> So, I ask you council members to again show your moral fiber and vote yes on
this resolution, but don't stop there. This resolution is the first step. We, the members of the Hoboken community, will come back and ask for more. We have submitted a letter to you with our ask for laws that prohibit law enforcement
from being unidentifiable, require judicial warrants, make it sea safer to bear witness, give private right of action. Make me proud again. Please pass this resolution and then join with us to create create laws that give our community members knowledge
that their constitutional rights have been restored and they no longer need to live in fear. >> Appreciate your comments. >> Thank you very much. Caitlyn Gullixson. >> Hello, >> Kaitlin Gullixson. >> Hi. >> Hi, my name is Caitlyn Gullixson. Um,
I've lived in Hoboken for about 10 years and I'm here in partnership with Liz. First, I want to congratulate you on your recent victory and thank you for your continued leadership and service to Hoboken. We recognize the responsibility you carry on behalf of this city and we're grateful for your commitment to
keeping Hobok in the vibrant, welcoming, and thriving community that so many of us are proud to call home. We are here tonight in that same spirit, not in opposition, but in collaboration. Over the past several weeks, 119 Hoboken
residents have signed this petition in support of the resolution before you. Those signatures represent neighbors, families, small business supporters, parents, professionals, people who care deeply about preserving the character and strength of our city. And while 119
signatures are listed on the paper, they represent many more conversations happening across our community about the kind of Hoboken we want to continue building together. We stand united in our commitment to protect the community we love. A community built by families,
small business owners, educators, first responders, service workers, entrepreneurs, and yes, immigrants and mixed status families. All of whom contribute to meaningfully to the social, cultural, and economic vitality
of this city. The resolution before you represents an important step in affir in affirming Hoboken's values. It recognizes the documented harm that ICE enforcement practices have caused to individuals and communities across the country. And it asks our city to stand
firmly for the equal, respectful, and dignified treatment of all of its residents. This is not about partisanship. It's about people. It's about ensuring that families feel safe sending their children to school, that neighbors feel comfortable reporting
crimes, that workers can contribute to our local economy without fear. Public safety, economic stability, and community trust all depend on residents feeling secure and respected. Hoboken thrives because people from diverse
backgrounds choose to live, work, and raise families here. Our diversity is not incidental. It's foundational. When any segment of our community lives in fear of adverse or unlawful treatment, the strength of our entire city is
diminished. Passing this resolution sends a clear and measured message that Hoboken stands for fairness, due process, and human dignity. It affirms that our local government is committed to protecting the rights of all who call this city home. And we ask that this not
be the final step, but the beginning. For those of you who support this resolution, we encourage continued collaboration with residents, legal experts, and community organizations to thoughtfully consider and develop ordinances that provide meaningful
protections within the bounds of the law. We believe this can be done responsibly, transparently, and in a way that reflects the values of our entire community. We are not here to divide. We're here to preserve what makes Hoboken special. Its energy, its
compassion, its sense of belonging. We believe that protecting our neighbors strengthens our city. We believe that dignity and public safety can and must coexist. And we believe that under your leadership, Hoboken can continue to set
an example of what it means to be a thriving and inclusive community. Thank you for your time, for your service, and for your thoughtful consideration of this resolution. Respectfully, we ask that you pass it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you,
>> Masimo Mascoli. >> Thank you everybody for having me here. My name is Masimo Mascoli. I live in Willow Avenue, 1011 Willow Avenue. is uh since 2005 I'm here in Dumbboken. I'm both American Italian citizen. Uh the
reason I'm here is because I saw this horror with my family and this is my uncle was tortured and killed by the fascist. And uh just last year I was uh in my
town where I was born and uh they gave the gold medal to my uncle memory of his sacrifice. He deserted the Mussolini army and together with 650,000 people uh and uh joined the resistance
and uh for me is a deja vu coming here I see the faces of everybody. for you for you is everything is new for me is just again and again and again the reason I'm I'm supporting the resolution of course is not only because
of my past but because I'm an engineer so I want to give some numbers and I want to talk about why is so risky ISIS got $75 billion that could be been used for ala for instance and they're trying to recruit
recruit the police because they promise practically something like $50 uh,000 bonus and uh uh for uh student loan forgi forgiveness, but they don't tell them that they will receive in 2031.
So is a trap. And as it happened in Italy with a black shirt and in Germany with the Nazis, the local police disappear and they become the private police. The eyes become the police. So forget
Hoboken PD eyes in the next year will become the police. It's happened before, it's going to happen again. Other numbers that I want to give they are very important talking about killing people immigrants
undocumented immigrants in the last four years killed nine people horror absolutely deport them since the beginning of this year 34 people has been killed by ICE in the last four years 14,000
white American people killed American people. So we have a total different vision of what the horror is. The horror is in here. It's not the immigration. I remember when I lived in France, there
was a documentary talking about how America can become the new economic golden place. They were talking America needs 40 million more immigrants. And what we see right now is exactly the opposite. So is a scandal what we're seeing now
because we are repeating what happened before again and again and again. I have another t-shirt like this with the the six faces of six kids with cancer that died in El Salvador because I've been
deported by ICE and by Donald Trump that I can I consider the cancer as I consider Mussolini the cancer and ICE is the metastasis. This is what's going to happen if we don't stop it quickly. This is going to happen. We have a cancer on the top and the metastasis is spreading
around as it happened in Germany as it happened in Italy is exactly the same situation right now. So I very confident because are all smart people and you understand the urgency of all this.
uh is uh is unbelievable thinking about the 3,800 kids has been deported. 3,800 kids. How can you deport kids? They there was a a few days ago they interview kids in
ICE uh uh custody. They were talking about they were treated and they said that they had mold and they have worms in their food. This is not a joke. >> Yeah. >> If we don't act quickly,
we don't have the time to think because they will prevail as they did it before. Is a deéja vu is happening again. So my hope honestly >> 15 seconds sir. >> Yeah. is that you listen what I'm saying
not because I'm it's me that I'm saying but because I already saw this horror and you don't. Thank you. >> Thank you >> Rose Markle. >> Good evening. I'm here to talk about
different agenda items. Um, my favorite one is claims, which I'm not sure who reads them, but a ceremonial shovel for $13 for a shovel. I guess a regular shovel that the city owns isn't good enough. Let's pay play fast and loose with
taxpayer money. Which fox is watching the hen house? CA6. Is this item the reason we have an 11% increase in our water charges? Because, you know, that's a little absurd. CD4, the community block grant for 115,000 to re to relocate the HVAC
at the Hoboken shelter. 300,000 to the HHA for generators. Doesn't HHA have their own money for this sort of stuff? Administration got 196,000. Meanwhile, the veterans only received 25,000. This is for 23. We'd love to see
where 24 and 25 money went. CD5, my favorite, all these attorneys. Again, I ask, how much will we spend to sue a landlord on behalf on behalf of a few tenants? We are up to $151,000 already, and it's still going. This is
taxpayer money for personal lawsuit. I really hope someone can answer me. Are we coming to a close on this? CD 310 to CC 117. All the lawyer contracts totaling 295,000 so far. Four law firms for
general litigation. Six law firms for land use and redevelopment. Four for labor and employment. Caner gets two contracts for this. Two for Oprah matters. I guess you have to have those attorneys since I've been denied an Oprah request twice.
And one for the tenant advocate. Other contracts to the same attorneys all say not to exceed. But hey, that rent leveling contract started at 10,000. It's up to 151,000. But I'll be back because I'm going to keep track of all of this. P2, thank
you, Miss Immus, for this. We are the forgotten community, the senior citizens in Hoboken. T1, um, does this mean another protected bike lane? The devil is in the details, and I've read this front and back, and there aren't very many specifics, and we
know what a disaster the Grand Street P uh pilot program is. I do think it's nice though that the residents of Adam Street will get a heads up and a community meeting. It was more that was done for the people of Grand Street. Um, can I read the first reading or do I have to come back for that one? >> Which one?
>> First reading number three. >> I don't want the agenda. Please don't comment on first reading, but Gav Rose, you have time. >> Yeah. Um, so we were supposed to be streamlining and I see that all these different categories were put elsewhere. Um, so my question is, how many more
directors, assistant directors, etc., department heads will be hired? If we start hiring more people, we aren't streamlining anything. We're just adding to the deficit. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Rose. Uh, Reena.
Yes, Nesbro. Did I say it right? >> Jean Jane Caspro. >> Caspro 15 Church towers. I'm here again about >> a little bit closer to the microphone. Gina, >> I'm here again. I'm Reena Jean Casper, 15 Church Towers, Grand Street, Hoboken.
I'm here again about the parking pilot that's on Grand Street. It is a disaster. They took the ballast down, some of them, but I feel like Hoboken's become a jail cell with these ballots everywhere
you go. It is It doesn't look like Hoboken anymore in a lot of places. And I I find it to be totally unnecessary. Also, used to be able to pull in the corner, run into drugstore to pick up your drugs or your medication.
Can't do that anymore. Everything's a hassle. Everything's become a hassle. From a friendly town, what is it becoming? Just all done on It's all figured out on computers. >> Mhm. >> And there's no community input. You're
going to have community input on Adam Street, but nothing on Grand Street. >> I lived there a long time. Love my neighborhood. Love Hoboken. It doesn't look like a normal neighborhood anymore. I can't I don't even want to look out my
window. It's a disaster. On top of which on top of which they built this bike lane that is not being observed. They're in the middle of the street still. I mean, it's it's it's crazy. and they're on the sidewalk a lot. >> Mhm.
>> So, I will continue to come here. I do have a petition. >> It's getting bigger and bigger. There will be a contingent of people coming up here about this. Also, Grant Street was fair unfairly treated by not having community input about that parking
pilot. That's my opinion and I just wanted to say same thing goes for Adam Street. >> I know Adam Street is not going to be happy with this. >> So, I hope so. Thank you, >> John Amato. >> Johan, not here. Davis Allen.
>> Hey, >> I'm Davis. Uh, I live over on Fifth in Jackson and I'm really just here to add my voice to the others here tonight to encourage you guys to do everything you can to protect the members of this community from the sort of abuses by ICE
and DHS that we're seeing elsewhere and now increasingly here. um whether that's, you know, breaches of the Fourth Amendment on the back of flimsy administrative warrants or refusals by these agents to identify themselves to the public, which they're really
supposed to do. Um yeah, I uh applaud you guys for the resolution tonight, but I'd like to encourage you to be, you know, creative and ambitious about finding other ways in which you can protect the uh citizens and residents of this town. So, thank you.
>> Thank you, Davis. Appreciate it. >> Last name is Gorman. I can't read the first name. >> Brian. >> Brian. Okay. Mr. Gorman. I'm Brian Gorman. I am a resident of
Hoboken since October of 2005 and I live at 300 Grand Street. I'm also a member of the Hoboken Pride Council which exists because of your action and I want to thank you for that.
Even when you formed the Pride Council two years ago, it took courage and that's what I'm here to talk about tonight. I was born in 1949. I've witnessed the struggle for civil rights. As a boy, I remember lynchings
in the newspaper. I remember the assassination of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, and others. I was drafted out of graduate school during Vietnam and served four years in the US Air Force.
I fought for gay rights and for marriage equality. For me, Stonewall is not ancient history. It's lived history. And just recently, Stonewall, which is a a commemoration to
the fight for gay liberation, that federal park can no longer fly the rainbow flag. Ridiculous. Today, we are living a history that hurts. It hurts me and it should hurt anyone who believes in what the United States
of America stands for. The progress we've made in civil rights required courage. It's under threat. The progress we have made in LGBTQI rights required courage and it's under threat.
Also under threat are not only legal immigrants, but American citizens who may have the appearance of being immigrants. So today, I'm asking you to have the courage to stand up for the rights of
our immigrants and vote yes for this resolution. Thank you, >> Connor Shay, members of the council, I come before you today to speak in favor of the resolution CL4 and to speak as many Hoboken residents will and have in
unyielding support and defense of the targets of ICE raids. It's not difficult to understand why people of good conscience and even those of middling conscience who are nonetheless law- abiding will speak in support of this resolution and in favor of further measures such the law will allow. From our perspective, the members of the
public, here's what's happening. Armed masked individuals pulling up in unmarked vehicles, hiding their faces, and disappearing our neighbors, often employing varying degrees of violence to detain them. Speaking in generalities that are not unwarranted, many of these agents b at the mere suggestion of being
asked to provide uh or prove that they are in fact operating within the law. Many are quick to escalate a dangerous and potentially lethal situation of their own creation and many have a hair trigger of the kind as very publicly cost the lives of American citizens doing nothing more than exercising their constitutional rights. It may well be
the case that there is a valid judicial warrant underpinning any one of these operations. But how are any of us supposed to know that if these agents refuse even the basist level of compliance? Vast majority of those of us who now have the luxury to walk the streets without fear of an encounter like this hanging over our heads stand
in solidarity with our neighbors now directly affected and with the grim realization that if appropriate measures are not taken there is nothing preventing us from being the targets of a similar action presently and without the need for speculation. This immediately affects our neighbors, our
co-workers, our partners, our parents, our children. They're entitled to protection and to dignity and all too often these days they're permitted neither. This resolution is a substantial step, but it's a first step. We implore you, our elected representatives, to do everything in
your power to protect us, to make Hoboken a leading municipality in this area. For the sake of the very foundation of American legality and civic society, and for the sake of our shared humanity, do everything that you can and then some. If ever there was a time to act, it's now. Thank you.
Zachary King. >> Good evening, council members and the people of Hoboken listening at home. As you well know, a federal secret police force is rapidly expanding operations across our country and our state. They wear no badges. They drive unmarked vehicles. They follow no law, respect no rights. They operate more like the clan
than the cops. Recently, they took people from our community at the Ninth Street Light rail station. Neighbors from our community disappeared into a fast growing hidden network of camps and prisons with no guarantee of trial or basic human rights. This terror campaign has nothing
to do with public safety. As Masimo demonstrated, the data is clear and it bears repeating. Immigrants are 60% less likely to commit a felony than native born Americans. US-born citizens are over twice as likely to commit violent crimes than undocumented immigrants.
Between 1980 and 2022, as the immigrant population in America doubled, crime across the country dropped by 60%. Immigrants paid 10.6 trillion more in taxes than they received in benefits between 1994 and 2023. Undocumented
immigrants paid $97 billion in taxes in 2022 alone for social security and Medicare they will never be able to access. Since trust armed again, ICE has arrested 393,000 people. 73% of those have no criminal convictions at all.
Only 5% have violent crime convictions. 30 people have been shot by agents in the past year. 32 died in custody in 2025, the highest number in two decades. This is about fear and control. This is about dividing working people so we're easier to exploit. When your immigrant
neighbor is afraid to call the police, afraid to report wage theft, afraid to organize, that weakens all working people. When we're divided by fear instead of standing together, a corrupt ruling class wins. Our ancestors fought tyrants in the revolution and the civil war, in reconstruction and the civil
rights movement, and time and time again to establish and secure constitutional rights. The Fourth Amendment protects everyone, including non-citizens, from unreasonable search and seizure. The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process to all persons. These rights were won
through blood. Now those freedoms are being thrown in the trash just to serve a corrupt, narcissistic ruling class. The Hoboken Trust Act was a great step, but we must all do more, myself included, as much as we possibly can to stop masked agents
from taking people without warrants. It is possible that Hoboken might not be as heavily targeted as other places in New Jersey. But the more we do here to oppose this evil, the more we uphold safety and our constitutional rights in our own backyard, the more we help our neighbors across the state and across
the country hold their ground by doing our part. What you do this year, what I do this year is probably the most defining moment in our lives. You must push your power as far as you possibly can. not to what's comfortable, not to what's safe, as far as possible to meet
this moment. Of course, obviously pass this resolution tonight. Then immediately act to draft the most aggressive, creative protections you can conceivably implement. Use every tool, push every boundary of your authority. God knows the federal government is doing the same. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Zach. Pat Waiters. Pat >> you are. >> Excuse me. >> I'm going to be I can speak on C3. >> You can speak on resolutions.
>> This a resolution but it's first reading >> resolutions. >> All right. And I'm going to don't want to lose this CL 2 CL3 C4. >> Go for The road pretty much put it in
perspective for me. So I'mma skip my lawyer for you. Um I watched the caucus got paid this 15 church towers. Excuse me. Could I have your undivided attention real quick? This is for all the council members. The caucus, the first caucus was very successful. I enjoyed it and definitely
helped a lot. It's respect to us members of the public that a day like today we could get a more opport a better opportunity to explain what was said in the caucus. Okay? because this meeting is our meeting. Anyway, the mayor put up this. This is our signature and this the resolution you got. It says for first
reading. I reached out to only five of y'all. Reason being the new people, not you, Diane, cuz you've been phenomenal so far. The new people, I want you to know the way we've been operating lately in Hobok and when you lose an election, you shouldn't say them against us, you against them. I'm going to give you a
chance, Mr. Fire Sting. Mr. Did I say it right this time? Mr. Firestone. of >> Kayn and Diane with the exception of you. You all in on Emily your boss ticket. Okay. And I told you during campaign time, do me a favor and I'm
seeing the opposite of what I asked you respectfully. Consider the other candidates for some positions. >> Speak through me please. Not the >> All right. Sorry. Council President, council president and the body. How's that? >> Beautiful. >> The entire body. >> So I asked you also Council President
Ramos was a candidate. Michael Russo, Ram, Manny, all of us. I asked you guys to consider it. I say that tonight because this is a smack in my face. People called me to watch the caucus and what you guys explained and demonstrated. They say, "Pat waiters do that." Anyway, the last meeting even
before the caucus, I stood at this microphone and told you the hard work and my due diligence I put in this city going to court doing everything. And the reason I lack right now a lot of experience that I know I have but you don't want to realize it is because y'all don't give me the opportunity. I'm
so glad we seeing the biasness all around the world and the racism and people in Hobok and I kept saying it years. We a key away from the same thing. That's why I jump up and I sit and protest and stuff. I know the pain. I know the feeling. This how y'all treated Paters for years and you turned
around and did it again. You did not offer me one boy. I went to Emily Jabbor myself. I was out there with Miss Honorable Emily Mayor Jabbor on Saturday and you Joe, I was so proud of y'all. We united together for a great cause. I froze my toes off and those got
forbidden, but I was honored. I kept saying in the video, this is what real love is. This is what real love is. And I called them for your support. People out there that know I FIGHT FOR THEM. THAT'S WHO LOSE. By you guys not giving me your vote and your support, they lose. Now rewind. What if I'm not black?
Close your eyes and I'm a white girl standing here that you threw on a ticket and won the race. I'm not Pat Waiters. Okay, think about that and think about how I feel. Go to my web page and see what people put as I march with you. Joe and Emily Pat, WHY ARE YOU out there
marching for them the way Hobo CAN BEAT YOU? WORRY ABOUT our black people and Ruben, I'm a because of you. You made history tonight. For your those of you that don't know David Little, his picture is hanging outside for Black History Month. I came here prepared because y'all didn't name the flag. But
when I seen that Mr. Fina, and I mean this with my heart, you you know Robin Burns, you better than Robin Burns. THE CITY CLERK REACHED OUT TO ALL YOU. HE SHOULD HAVE TO. Nobody hung a black flag outside. But my uncle's picture is in the lobby of city hall that was drafted
for the Mets in the 60s. Could you imagine his fight? He looking down now seeing exactly what happened and it's happening now. And it's sad. It is sad. I'm going to see how many of you come out and support me on the 25th and I'm going to share with you my uncle's
legacy in Hoboken. I'm going to show you pictures of the [ __ ] coming to move the news. All right, I'm wrapping it up. But on the 25th, and this is for the entire body, wherever you have Phil Cohen, I hope you listening. I'm serious. I want to share my uncle's legacy cuz I'm a
proud product of David Little. >> Thank you, Pat. Appreciate it. Manny still there. >> Losing your time, man. With props. I'm sorry. Well, I already know the time. I have it uh measured as uh per somebody's
request. Uh don't worry, the props are there. So that visualize the people who are here who I appreciate this evening, members of the public who are standing and rising for um CL4 because it was very lonely last meeting by myself. It was very lonely for me to also get home
and look at my social media, which I usually don't do, and have people hate fellow Hobokenites. ridiculous. It It hurts. But seeing the people here has made me change my perspective and I know
that Hoboken Knights will stand for what's right. Council President, I also want to say that I am so proud that you did the council and the administration this statement because names matter, actions matter.
this expression of solidarity for fellow Americans matters. Renee Nicole Good, I'll say her name again. I'll ask you the question again as Mr. Alex Jeffrey Perry asked the woman he was trying to protect. Are you okay,
members of the public, and also a name that I did not say that I'm so glad you put in here as well. Keith Porter Jr. These people were brutalized by the federal government and some people that I just mentioned or deferred in our city which I hope their hearts are
changed in their minds. They believe that division and otherizing any murder of an American is a test of pride and a showing of their American
heritage. But it is not. The Constitution says otherwise, which I have it right here, council president. I have it right here next to my birth certificate. Never thought in my 58 years that I would have to walk with my birth certificate in my own city of birth because that's not even enough
anymore just because of my last name and maybe I don't think I have one but of my accent. I hope that the fellow members of the public who are here can understand that
it's not just persons who are here trying to become citizens or here because they're looking for a better life for their children and maybe something hasn't worked and they're trying to get it straightened up
but yet they are not shown due process. So these things council president altogether matter. So that's why this is a good beginning. This is a start so that other Americans and other hopenites could remember that the Constitution of the United States of
America should not be politicized. It's the fundamental, pardon me, the foundation of our democracy. Council President, I also again thank you. I thank the administration for this
this evening. I hope and expect that it's voted on unanimous even though it's on consent agenda. So, Council President, with that again, I want to say thank you to the members of the public who were here who stood up. For those that cannot speak for themselves, I thank you for being a champion of the
people and all of the members of the council and our mayor. So with that, council president, I say once again, thank you for this statement and for the people who are no longer here and we stand again with all Americans.
I yel back. >> Thank you, Manny. Appreciate it, buddy. Thank you, Jeremy Miklin. >> Jeremy, call it MK. Is that Oh, okay. >> You You don't remember me? Okay, I know it's you have to
mispronounce my name. That's the job of the council president. >> You got not a good grade for penmanship. >> I sorry. Okay. Uh I had to hobble over from Midtown. Uh had a great night at Susang Shan barbecue in Pal Park last week. I think it gave me gout, but it was worth it. And I'm going to talk
about the the ice resolution. Um, I live in this part of the country and this is one of the few parts of the country that I would want to live in because we have such ethnic diversity and I appreciate that. I commend our community, the city government, the
board of ed, our assembly persons. Uh, it was a surprisingly quick response on February 1st. Um, everyone piled into St. Matt's after everything we saw that morning that happened at the light rail station. I'm sure a lot of people saw the videos and that uh and some people
learned the hard way that Google Meet was limited to 100 guests. Um but we they packed that room and that was so encouraging to see just a few days before I was at community church on six and garden. There was a little room of 40 people talking about how can we um
organize and what what can we do because we were seeing what we were just talking about was in Minneapolis. made a little WhatsApp group and two days later that WhatsApp group had 200 people in it and I'm like all right well this is now this is going to go downhill from here. Um but good things are happening as a result of that and we met a lot of
community members. Um and that same night up in the Heights I'd be remiss not to mention Jake Efos. He was there filming them and he had his own meeting for his constituents and I'm getting to know a lot more neighbors in Jersey City as a result of participating in Hoboken.
Hudson County is no stranger to DHS. I mean, we see him at the PATH station all the time for different reasons. Um, ICE and CBP enforcement. This happens like we we know this, but what we're seeing in the rest of the country is I'm just realizing Paul's not here today. What we're seeing in the rest of the country is giving us pause in what we saw on
February 1st. And I think it stunned a lot of us to see that. Um, especially watching what was going on in Portland with them gassing people dressed up in frog costumes, what's going on in Los Angeles, Minneapolis, and other cities. Um, so to see unidentified agents, um,
the covered plates, really bad driving even by Jersey City standards. Um, and this is creating a sense of fear and just ripe for the rumor mills. So, when we had an elderly guy fall from the Palisade uh, this weekend and there was a big response there, the first thing on
all the what because, you know, I'm on every WhatsApp group that lets me in. Is this ice? Is this ice? when the Hoboken high school clamped down yesterday and people didn't realize it was the Hoboken police department. Was this ice? Is this ice in the Hoboken schools and you had kids inside the school? And someone on
Facebook said like the those were the rumors that were starting until we got that communication. Uh nobody benefits from this. Um so this resolution is a fine first step. I think uh Cano, Lac, Phil. Um, many members of the community are going to be advocating for ordinances and legislation down the line
and there's a large group that's growing by the day for that. Uh, so check your inboxes. Um, meanwhile, we're going to watch the we're watching in real time the first, second, fourth amendment, like who knows what other amendments are next getting trampled and tossed under this rug by administration. When you
have the NRA who's often silent about people of color, but when they come to the defense of Alex Prey and say, "Hold on, wait a minute." That speaks volumes. um and Renee Nicole. Good. Um and if it took a few white people getting shot, that sucks and that tells us the sad
state of our country, but that's if that's what it took. Uh I hope some good can come out of it. Um and that they can be remembered uh for prompting these changes. On January 20th, the current administration rescended a whole bunch of Biden era policies. Uh it seems hitting the undo button is what they do best. One casualty was eliminating
decades old guidelines on offlimit safe spaces. And this is one of the things that is being discussed on with some of the working groups in town. Uh so some of those things that you're going to be lobbied for to create legislation. I'm going to implore local state leaders to look into any ways that we can restore protections of safe places. That's going
to mean schools, hospitals, places of worship, etc. Uh a populace living in fear helps no one but the ruling class and even then to a point. Um 45 seconds. It's absurd to see descendants of immigrants and people of color working for ICE. you know, half the videos I'm watching, these agents are not the white
cowboys that joined up to live out their racist fantasies. Uh, but I mean, there were a bunch of Uncle Tom's. And I I think of also the kids working in Palunteer on H-1B visas and immigrant newrads building the technology to power
these fascist policies as well. Uh, the internet does not forget these people. I'm dropped a link to iceist.is is who the government seems to not be able to take that down. And the same goes for our community members relishing the opportunity to pile on every face of coast that Emily Robbie and the city of
Hoboken post. Your neighbors see you. There's a reason so many of us are not afraid to show our faces here tonight and you're at home. Trustworthy turtle 6849 and red reindeer 1412. That's you. You are the proverbial dog poop being revealed by our melting snow. But I'll save that for another public comment. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jeremy. Appreciate it, buddy.
Thank you. Elijah Conlin. >> Uh hello. Thank you very much for giving me the privilege to speak tonight. Uh congratulations to the new council members and uh to the president. >> Uh my name is Elijah Conlin. I've lived in Hoboken my entire life. Um and I've
had the privilege of feeling safe. Uh that's for numerous reasons, but mainly because Hoboken, we have our backs. We are, as you've heard before, there are people here that care. They really care about our neighbors, about our friends, about our family, and about the people
of Hoboken. And so CL4 is clear. It's a good step. It's uh but like it's been said before me, it is the first step. We have a lot to do. Uh our federal government feels like what's done in rooms like this doesn't matter and that they can supersede us. That's not the
case. That's not the point of why we elected you guys. And that's not why I live in Hoboken. Uh we need protection against ICE. We need protection for our friends, our family, and our people. So, please pass this resolution, but also consider what everyone has said before
me. There's more to do. There's more to get done. And we need you guys. We elected you. We can unelect you. Uh so, uh please please listen to us and uh pass CL4. Thank you. >> Thank you, Elijah.
Jim Vance. >> I'm Jim Vance, Hoboken resident. Uh, thank you very much for letting me speak tonight and uh my Councilman uh Councilman Ramos, congratulations on uh your position as city president. >> Um, two things. one the resolution um
regarding um ICE and what comes with it. Um ICE is going to come to Hudson County. We're ripe for it. I read an article in the Wall Street Journal a couple of
weeks ago by Peggy Nunan and basically she said that that the reason uh civil rights succeeded and the reason that uh India broke free from from Britain
was that those leaders and their followers held the high ground. Now, I have no compunctions about confrontation, but the object here is to win. And we need leaders, and I'm really
pleased to see leaders, especially young leaders, coming up here and saying it's important to pass this. And I'm I'm really pleased with the actions that went that came down right after the the arrest. But we need to organize in a way
that we hold the high ground. Um, and that as Gandandy did and as Martin Luther King did, that's really the way we're going to win this. Um, thank you for letting me talk about that. T1, um,
there is a resolution before you to, um, do a study on how we're going to use the roadway known as Adam Street. U,, it's a study. We now have a
pilot >> dedicated protected bike lane. Um, and there's a lot of controversy about it. Uh, it's there. We're going to learn a lot from it. I personally find it uh
really important in from a standpoint of safety for those of us who ride bicycles. I see folks out there with their kids riding bicycles who wouldn't be on the street otherwise. and and I have the pleasure of not being having to
pull up behind double park cars and be forced out into a travel lane in front of a 4,000 lb SUV so that I can use the public right away. But this is a pilot project and we've got to look at it and think about it and learn from it. The
Adams study is going to give us an all an opportunity to have public engagement. There's a lot of controversy about this. I welcome it. I welcome the attitudes and the ideas. One of the things I really hope is that people like Rose Markle, who I have a great amount
of respect for, and others who have been around Hoboken for a long time, but often don't show up at these chetses or these public hearings, but just don't show up. And it's time
for whatever reason I don't know it may have been in the old days it wasn't worth showing up but in the new days it is. And I urge everybody to come and engage and learn from this exercise. I want you to pass
T1 so we can do it. Thank you. >> Thank you. Motion to close public hearing. >> Second. All in favor? I >> I the clerk, we are uh for agenda items, we're removing CC15
and CC17 have been removed from the agenda. >> CC >> CC 15 >> and CC1 17. That's it, right? >> Thought it was all three. >> Okay. >> Yep. 15 and 17.
Items be moved by council members. >> CA6. >> Give me one second. CA6. >> Um CC12. Well, never mind. T1. >> T1. >> All right.
>> That's for your agenda. public portion is later on. Now's >> uh you on you're on the public portion item, not the agenda. >> Reopen the public hearing for Mr. Vulpi and I forgive you, Mr. Vulp. Thank you for not Yes, I didn't do my homework. I just
wanted to speak. I wanted to thank everyone who spoke for this and my apologizing there was this proposed um proposed resolution CL4, but I just want to speak in favor of it. I want to thank the people who spoke in favor of it. I
support it and uh I never thought I'd be agreeing with Jim Vance in public, but I do like what he said about keeping the high ground. And it almost seems like these this ICE business which is extremely disturbing
to me. What happened Minnesota is extremely disturbing and now they come to Hudson County is extremely disturbing. And it seems they are so aggressive, it almost seems by design to try and get someone to stimulate a
response. So then they can get an ICE agent injured or hurt and then say, "Oh my god." And and and stimulate that. And it's that's what I think Mr. King was also saying something very good about that that this is all about fostering
and encouraging division. It's an incredibly cynical action or series of actions or campaign being done. I think people can have honest disagreements about immigration issues. There is an immigration issue in this country. But
but once again, this the ICE campaign is in no way, absolutely no way a good faith effort to deal with that. This is a far cynical, darker thing is being done to try and force the division. And it's terrible. And I do appreciate the city council coming up with this uh with
this resolution which I wholeheartedly support and I just also think it's an indication of how what bad faith it's being run in in that the federal government which is way outside your bailey wick but we continue
to have a foreign policy that lays waste to countries around the globe especially in South and Central America. We just we the US just kidnapped the elected president of a South American country and have caused that country extreme
distress with economic sanctions for like 20 years and do that to lesser extent in all sorts of countries south the border and the rest of the world and this is one of the reason you have so many immigrants and then to tr you know and then to come and have this this just
brutal campaign and the cruelty is just appalling. So, I do fully support this and thank you uh council president for letting me get in there because that >> Thank you, Albert. Thank you, Eric. Appreciate it. Motion to reclose. >> Do we have a second? All in favor? >> I.
>> All right. So, we have CA6 and T1 thus far. Uh, removed by council members. >> Council President, uh, payroll CC7. >> Payroll CC7 >> CC7 CC10 >> CC7 and CC10
and >> CL4 >> CL4. Thank you, Councilman Caterero. And and CL2 and CL3 have two nominations. We're going to do a voice vote on those items. Okay. to say the number that uh the individual's name who
you will be voting for. >> When are we doing that? >> Uh we're gonna do it uh >> as part of the >> Yeah, as part of the individual votes now. Correct. >> Okay. Those those are going to be removed for individual votes. >> Okay. >> As well. >> Yep. We being removed for individual votes.
>> Okay. Anyone else? So, we'll start with uh CA6. Counciloman Fischer. >> Oh, so I apologize. Uh consent agenda vote. We're not used to that going >> on the consent agenda. Mr. Con.
>> Oh, we're voting. Phil, >> Phil, we're voting. >> We're voting. >> Mr. Firestone. >> Go. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. Yes,
>> Mr. President Xano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos. >> I >> Okay, now Council Fer CA6. >> Yeah, I just uh
>> President, >> what? >> We're going to go in order of what you guys said. CA6. >> Okay. Um I just wanted to give 30 seconds. It's a a pretty big number. Um this is as everyone is aware we or we've talked about before we have to replace
the lead service lines uh in Hoboken by 2031. Um you know any number is maybe it's a thousand and this is the lines that are between the main sewer line in the middle or the main water line in the middle of the road in the house. Um, and
we're starting this spring. And so what this project is is going to be doing test pits around the city. And those test pits are going to happen, there's 500 of them. I'm looking at I think there's 500 of them. So we're going to
have 500 small 18 by 18 in uh test pits on sidewalks all across the city. Um, it's a really big deal for the city. That's just the test pits. when we actually go to do the lead service lines, um you know, it's going to have to be um uh scheduled well scheduled
because it's going to disrupt the majority of our streets in Hoboken. But um that's what this is. It is funded by the water utility. So your water rates are funding it. It's not coming out of our budget um directly. And that's it. Just wanted people to know what's
behind. It's a big number. >> Thank you. Uh any other questions? CA6. Call a vote. Mr. Con. >> Hi. >> Mr. Feststone. >> Yes. >> Miss Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Leon.
>> Yes. >> President Zano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> Hi. >> C1. Councilman Fischer. >> Yeah. Is Greg's not here? Just you. All
right. Lucky you. >> Jeff got it. Um T1, so T1 for everyone's benefit, for those who don't know, it's a resolution to award a
contract to do to design um the redoing and upgrading of Adam Street from Newark to 9inth. Um we've had we heard you. We just want to let the public know the council has heard you on Grand Street.
Um, Grand Street got slipped in without any input from anyone, funded by prior bonds, and just basically got done with no um, approval other than the initial approval on the contract where we didn't realize we were locked into a design.
So, we delayed this from last fall. Um, we pulled out any specific reference to bike lanes. Um, we had a meeting with our parking transportation subcommittee. We had a follow-up meeting with uh and
on uh with uh Councilwoman Imus uh Council President Ramos ended up not being able to join, but he was part of leading up to it and Councilman Russo. Um Adam Street sits in the fourth and the third ward. And um so this mayor
Jabbor joined us. She committed to making sure this was an open process, that this is a process that is going to involve input from stakeholders, a variety of stakeholders. There's no predetermined design. Um, you know, this
is, uh, we were pretty, you know, our informed voices suggest not having a protected bike lane on Adams. Um that doesn't mean that you know 98% of the people who come out who says yes they want it. Maybe we'll you know change our
mind. That's just not what we're hearing. It's not what you know Councilman Rouso and Ramos can speak um in a second. Um there's a lot of like anger coming from the prior administration on how they handled things and mayor uh Jabor has been you
know insisted that this is about open communication will involve a lot of stakeholders. Um, what I would say is the proposal that's in front of us is not worded very well. It still suggests that a small number of people that are not elected representatives, that are
not um, uh, residents are going to sit in a room and decide what two plans are to bring out to the public. We are very uh, direct saying we don't want either one of them to be with a bike lane on it unless there's stakeholder input ahead
of time. So, more to come on that. I've been assured that we the parking subcommittee we will have a meeting with this contractor before they go and start working on it. So we are going to be part of that original like scoping and
giving feedback um which is 180°ree change from the last administration that actually wouldn't allow the city council at pretty much any meetings any time early on. So I just want to give those assurances. We know it's a big issue for Hoboken. I don't know if you guys if if
I mis misrepresented, but feel free to jump in. >> Council President, >> thank you, Council President. And I appreciate the summary from Councilwoman Fischer and and I do appreciate uh Mayor Jabbor coming to that meeting and discussing this specific contract. You
know, it it's really important that the council becomes a stakeholder in in these conversations because we were duly elected to be the voice of those residents who don't have the time to come to that community meeting. They don't have the ability sometimes to come
to those community meetings. We get those calls day in and day out. And I made it very clear on our call with the mayor and and the and the committee uh that right now because of Grand Street, I'm hearing from the neighbors in the third ward, they do not want the protected bike lane. They do not want
another protected bike lane. It's very clear to me because I get those calls on a daily basis. So I don't want to go into this conversation with the starting point of a protected bike lane into a community meeting as an option.
I think we need to go into a community meeting with no option. Let the community come and discuss what they would like to see and the majority of those people will dictate what the what this administration will then go back and look into. But this council also is
a major stakeholder in those conversations. And in years past that that didn't happen. Uh I I absolutely welcome that that refreshing change from this administration. Uh, but I still have a lot of concerns. I'm still very
worried that passing this tonight puts us in the same position as it did when it came to Grand Street. It's the same exact process. The only difference is that the current mayor has
given us her insuranceances. That's the only difference. We as a council do not have those protections. the moment we vote for this, we move that ball down the court. So, I'm still very concerned about it. Um, I will support it tonight
because my colleagues and I have had multiple conversations about it, but I could promise you this. If it comes back to this council for protected bike lane and the community does not want that, it will not have my support into the future. No construction contracts, no
other contracts for this firm. And that trust will be immediately broken from a brand new administration to the council. And I think it's really important to put that on the record because I don't think anybody wants that. We want to move this city forward. We want to do that in a way where we could all communicate with
each other. We have the ability to trust each other as council members and have the ability to trust the mayor and the and the current administration. So, I appreciate the time. Thanks, Council President. >> Thank you. Any other members of the council? I appreciate both of your comments and I agree agree with both you
many aspects. I think the one the last time we had a public meeting with regards to protected bike lane was on Willow Avenue and that was at Wallace school and that was before COVID and the crowd was like I'm upliftic to that. So we're looking forward to these the public processes and to Mr. Vance's
point the public needs to show up. If you're happy with Grand Street, show up. If you're not happy with Grand Street, show up and and we'll act accordingly from there. Uh call the vote. Mr. the cone. >> Mr. Firestone, >> yes.
>> Said yes. >> Miss Fischer, >> yes. >> Mrs. Irish. >> Yes. >> Mr. L. >> Yes. >> Mr. Presidento. >> What? >> Mr. No. Okay. No.
>> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos. >> Hi, >> Council President. Point of order. >> Um, I need to abstain on one of the I meant to abstain on um on CC12. >> CD12. Could we record our votes of
absention, please? >> Thank you. >> That's all we have to do. Okay. Thanks. >> Thank you. >> What we got? >> Abstain on CC-12. >> We got We're going to Councilman Roose payroll. >> Thank you, Council President. And and we talked about this in in caucus a little bit. you know, there's there's
probably about $15,000 of stipens >> um for the payroll period, which equates to, you know, almost $400,000 for the year. Uh and I was hoping that I would get an answer to why and who and how all
these stipens are working. Um I didn't get that. I mean, one of the reasons why we move to a caucus is so that we have the ability to ask the questions, get the answers back, and if we're going to continually just get the same I'll get back to you or I'll email you, I mean, that that poses a problem because then
we're going to run into this asking the question at the caucus and then asking the same question at the meeting and we're defeating the purpose. So, uh, if corporation council and or, uh, business administrator could just go through the stipens and explain what they are and who they're for.
>> Uh, sure. So, I did provide a stipen report in advance of the meeting this evening. Uh, apologies that it was sent out around six o'clock this evening. >> Oh, tonight. >> Yeah. Oh, >> yeah. Um, but that said, it it does uh does provide additional information. Um, I I should note that all of these were
stipens that were approved by the former administration. All stipens are currently under review. Um, and I'd be happy to have that conversation in the administration and finance subcommittee as we move forward in the budget process. So do so it's my understanding that no stipens will be paid out until that's done or will we continue to pay
out stipens until that point? >> Well, they're currently under review right now. So they are obviously in this payroll because they had previously been approved. >> Understood. So next payroll am I to anticipate that these stipens will also be paid >> to be determined.
And then we there was one other um other pay a large scale for vacation time. Um >> there is going to be a a uh memo sent to you by corporation counsel on that particular matter. >> Okay. >> It relates to the office of corporation counsel.
>> I I appreciate it. Um again, I was very hopeful that we were going to be very transparent when it comes to some of these things and getting emails and having conversations offline. That's it. >> Um, that's not going to work for me with
the current structure, right? If we have if we have a a caucus meeting on a separate night from our council meeting to go over this stuff, I would hope that all the directors are there, all the department heads are there, we have the answers to the questions that are being
asked. If it's going to be on the agenda, I would hope that everyone's prepared to answer the questions about whatever is on the agenda, whether that's payroll, whether that's claims, whether that's an ordinance or a resolution. Um, >> that's what I anticipate when it comes
to a caucus structure. If we're if we're not going to do that, I think we're wasting our time with the caucus. So, >> thank you, council. >> Thank you. >> I printed I printed out my before I came that that's the uh the email. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, council. I'm sorry. >> Uh, payroll, Mr. clerk
on the payrolls. Mr. Con, >> Mr. Feststone, >> I >> Miss Fischer, >> yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes, >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes, >> Mr. Presidento. >> Mr. Cano, >> I
>> Mr. Russo, >> no on the other pay, but yes on the rest. President Ramos >> I, Council Russo, CC7, >> uh, CC7 and CC10. We could do both if if
you want. >> Perfect. >> Uh, corporation council. Um, and we talked about this in the in the caucus as well. There was a claim for $40,000 for Corporation Council's office. Um, and that that's about a half a million dollars to the firm. Uh, I'm assuming
it's not all going again, although I'm sure you hoped it would. Um, but then there's also CC7 here and CC10. And in the conversation, I talked about the additional costs for the firm. Uh, before we pulled the other two
tonight, we were looking at about $50,000 of other contracts to the firm. What is the anticipated amount throughout the year to the firm in addition to the half a million dollars for corporation council? Do do you have
a an estimate on what that looks like? >> Sure. The resolution that you approved um two cycles ago at this point was a resolution for $40,000 for what I'll quote the meat and potatoes of running your corporation council department. So that is, you know, daily meetings,
constant meetings, questions from council, questions from mayor, those types of things. Same thing that your former corporation council was doing with three bodies. Now you have two bodies doing it. Um I think what you are seeing and asking for is these separate items which uh for instance Oprah
litigation that wouldn't be covered. Brian didn't handle that either. That is a separate matter. What you see in front of you is actually one that is for uh Trink who handles one matter that you have under Oprah. Um and we're going to also just add Dotus to that so that also
moving forward Dotus can handle those Oprah requests as they come in. Not the requests, the litigation side of it. Again, separate and apart than meat and potatoes on a daily basis. Um the only other time you're going to see it as if as what you saw in front of you is again when it requires expertise. And the only
thing I can tell you is that is what you want. You do not want a municipal attorney that does the municipal work without having the expertise to handle very specific matters. For instance, here affordable housing, that is an expertise. And if you get it wrong, you
get it very wrong and your residents are affected by it. Um, same thing would go for Oprah as well. Uh, I would even add contract negotiations. Now, sitting here today, I can't even tell you exactly what that cost would be, but there's still a significant savings. Now, the
memo you asked for, and I do apologize, it was pulling three separate settlement agreements. Um, we did pull it all together, so I almost have it done for you. Um, but you're still going to see a savings. And when I said 750, I misspoke by about $60,000 and I apologize for that. the cost for your three employees
when you add up all the other pieces to it. Um because I do want to start everyone understanding the true cost of employees because we're going to need that for contract negotiations. Um it's not just a hard salary. It is a hard salary plus vacation plus sick plus health benefits. Um which is a
significant number on top of the hard salary itself. Um so I'm still confident you are going to see a savings. Uh does that help answer it without the document in front of you at least right now? Yeah, to to some extent. My my concern is what does it look like over the
course of the year for specifically your firm and then all the additional firms, right? So, if there's, for example, a total of, let's just call it a million dollars to your firm and then there's also a million dollars to all other outside firms, what does that look like
in comparison to last year, the year before? What does that look like into the future? So trying to figure out what that what that is and so if you could get that to me and even if it's a estimate I don't have a problem with that. I just want to try to prepare for what's coming throughout the year.
>> I appreciate that. And what I am getting a handle on is the budget of corporation council as a whole to make sure that you will see a cost savings. Um you know the other issue keep in mind that your budget seems to fluctuate with corporation council depending on obviously litigation that you guys have
outstanding which I can't control when you guys are sued. All I can make sure is hopefully that we are successful in the lawsuit itself. Um, but I will uh get something to you aside from the may memo um because it is something I am trying to wrap my arms around because you have the commitment of the mayor and
certainly me and the firm to see can have a um reduction in its legal cost. >> Thank you. >> You can vote on it. >> CC7 and CC10. Mr. Clark, Mr. Con >> yes
>> Miss Fischer >> yes >> Mrs. Imus >> yes >> Mrs. Lson >> yes >> Mr. >> President >> I >> Mr. Canero >> I >> Mr. Russo >> no >> President Ramos >> I
>> Mr. Quincer CL4. >> Um, thank you, Council President. Um, I just wanted to thank all the speakers who came today and I wanted to thank Councilwoman Le, Councilman Cohen for co-sponsoring this with me and the various groups in Hoboken who who've come together uh since February 1st to
really speak with a unified voice as to what we believe in as a city uh and who we'll stand up uh to. Um, every year when there's an election, one of these local uh blogs uh puts out the question and says, "Should national politics, you
know, play a role in local elections?" And and it's usually a mixed bag. I usually say yes. My answer yes is because while we are focused on you know police and fire issues and stop signs and insurance and getting sued um you know a lot of the time especially these
days national politics uh speaks to what kind of person community you want to be and increasingly in this country I feel like we're at a divide as to a a a country that wants to take care of each other uh as neighbors
and those who just want to look out for their own and and protect just their own. And you know, I I I always prefer to lean on my lesson side and and and believe that, you know, we should take care of each other. Uh we should take
care of the poor, uh the the weak, the those who came here uh with just a hope and a dream. Um, and while we certainly want to get rid of all the the murderers, as uh Masimo said earlier today, that's not actually what's happening with uh with our federal
government um these days. Uh my I speak about my father a lot in that, you know, he came to this country in the 60s from Colombia believing that uh not Hoboken, the United States was an exceptional place and he was right. Um,
but he also believed that bad things we were somehow insulated from from the bad things that happened in in countries like Colombia and El Salvador and and other places with authoritarian regimes have taken over that somehow we were special. We're just different. Uh, and during the first Trump administration, I
was really worried and I said, "We're not that different. This takes tending to." And he didn't appreciate it until January 6th. Uh, and that's when he really realized and he was really sad. and he said, "I never thought I would see something like this." And you know, part of me wanted
to say, "I told you so." Uh, but I felt so bad and so sad for him that I that I I held it back. And, you know, I didn't want it to be, it seemed like hyperbole at the time, but I was explaining to him how it could happen. It doesn't happen
overnight that we have Jack Buddha thugs were with masks roaming the streets of Hobok and snatching people off the streets, although that is happening now. It starts with just the law that says, "Hey, you know what? We're going to get aggressive and we get rid of the people who shouldn't be here. We all agree with that." And then they overreach and they
start getting rid of the people who are violent. And they just get rid of civil offenders. And then they do it in an aggressive way. And once they're done with that, then they start saying, "You know what? If you're not reporting on the person that you know is here unlawfully, we're
going to come after you, too." And then it snowballs. And I wish it was hyperbole. I wish that this was a pure fantasy of my mind, but most of that is starting to come true. Um, I forget the name of the professor,
but he wrote a book on tyranny and how you stop it is the one of the very first things is you don't obey, you don't comply in advance. So why are we here doing this resolution is so that we can tell very loudly to the people of Hoboken
and to our immigrant neighbors who are scared is that we will not comply in advance to federal overreaches in town. We will be together. We'll do everything in our power to protect our neighbors. We passed an ordinance last year
prescribing what the police can and cannot do with respect to federal government. That holds true. I'm committed to looking to see what else we can do. It's going to be a fine line, a thread that we're going to have to uh weave through, but we need to look at it because we can't count on our
institutions above our level right now. In situations like this, historically, we would count on, you know, the first line is the the officers in charge of executing to do the right thing. You know, we we we don't necessarily have the right that don't scare everybody
because you just know morally that you shouldn't scare people and executing your duty. But that seems to have failed. Then you rely on the institutions, their employers, the people who uh send them out to execute their duty. And and that's failed too. Our institutions at the federal government have failed. So now we're
with the people and in the United States, New Jersey and Hoboken, the people speak loudly. We saw it in Minneapolis. We've seen it in Los Angeles and now we're seeing it in New Jersey. You want to see people fight, come to New Jersey. Come to this meeting
once every couple of weeks. You watch people fight. Um so again, we're here to speak loudly and encourage our residents to speak up. Know your rights. do not obey in advance if it's unlawful.
So, I hope everybody in the spirit of my comments uh supports this resolution because it's the right thing to do. It's the first step and I hope this passes unanimous today. members of the council.
>> Councilman Cohen says the author of tyranny is named Timothy Snider s. I highly encourage the read and thank you for council councilman Cano and Councilwoman Le co-sponsoring this meeting. >> Thank you, Council President.
>> Thank you, Councilman Co, Mr. Council. Yeah, I just want to add to uh Councilman Cano. Uh you know, we are I'm a history teacher by day and we're witnessing history before us. Uh PI
versus Ferguson, they had that Supreme Court case said basically legalize segregation. We see Supreme Court on September 8th legalize essentially racial profiling
in the country based on the way you look or the way you speak. We're reliving history. Guess we haven't learned yet what we're doing. We've I show my students things that happened uh in the 60s when they're at Woolworth
counters and African-Americans getting beat and dogs chasing them in Birmingham. And we put on our TVs today, we're seeing the same exact thing. People getting dragged out of cars, dragged out of their homes, dragged out of light rail stations here in our
community, waiting in front of schools in West New York, New Jersey, going on New Jersey Transit buses on Burgaline Avenue in North Bergen. It's here. History is watching us now. And Manny, to your point, Manny, uh I don't
watch uh Facebook comments a lot of the time, but I've been watching a little bit the last couple of weeks, and I'm ashamed of some of my Hoboken residents. I've known my entire life and people that I grew up and no longer live in Hoboka, some of their comments that they're saying.
So, if you watching this tonight and you thought you're my friend and you're saying the things you're saying today and yesterday, just unfriend me now, please. So, I have to I've been going through just unfriending people. I don't need you as my friend. I don't
want you as my friend. Just keep on move. Keep it moving at this point cuz history is judging us today. And you're going to be in those books 30 years from now. And the next student is going to see you 30 years from now just like they saw the the the kids uh when segregation
was happening in their southern schools, right? And people are online. Don't come here. University of Mississippi. That's going to be you 30 years from now and you're going to be ashamed of yourself. So unfriend me now. I'd appreciate it. >> President, Mr. Cler, call the vote.
>> Can I just just really quickly, I'll be brief. Thank you to um the sponsors of this and your comments. Um, I I heard something recently that I was unaware of. U I think it was on a Rachel Matto show where she said that when 3 and a
half% of a population speaks out, that's when you're going to see change. And she's kind of reported on it a couple times saying we're getting closer and closer. And you know, which side of that 3 and 1 half% do you want to be on? Do you want to be on the side that you just
mentioned which is you know changing history in a way that sends us backwards or do you want to be on the three and a half% of the people that are coming out and you know protesting not going backwards and I think people just need to decide you know which 3 and 12% that
they want to be and and hopefully you know it's moving forward and supporting our community and and the values just broadly the values of Americans that we all take for granted. So thanks happy to support >> call was click Mr. Con
>> Mr. Fstone >> yes >> Mr. Fiser >> yes >> Mrs. >> Yes >> Mr. L >> yes >> Mr. Presidento >> Mr. Canero >> I >> Mr. Russo >> I >> Ramos
>> I we have a voice vote on CL2 and CL3 >> I two nominations one is >> Mark Bronky uh Mr. Consk Mr. Firestone
>> Mark Brodsky >> Miss Fischer >> Kirk Gardner >> Mrs. Imus >> Kirk Gardner >> Mrs. Le >> Mark Brodzky >> Mr. Presidento
Mr. Cano >> Mark Brodzky >> Mr. Russo Big Kurt Kurt Gardner, >> Mr. Ramos, >> Rodsky, Rodski. >> Okay. >> Uh, we are now moving to
uh public portion. >> Also, ordinances first. >> Almost proving it's trying. >> You're going to skip them. >> I'm trying, my friend. >> Okay. You ready? >> Yep. >> Uh, ordinance for introduction. An ordinance amending chapter 58-23
entitled permits to modify the personnel fees associated with event permits. >> Call the vote. >> Mr. Constone, >> yes. >> Fisher, >> no. >> Mrs. >> Yes.
>> Mrs. L. >> Yes. >> President. No. >> No. >> No. Mr. Canero I >> ordinance number one >> no >> no
>> we voted no okay got him >> I >> Russo >> no Ramos >> I Fisher voted no >> she voted no yes >> okay >> all right an ordinance for introduction
amending chapter 190-1 11 and title loading zones to relocate loading zone on Hudson Street between Third Street and Second Street. >> Call vote. >> Mr. Con. >> Stone. >> Yes.
>> Fisher. >> Uh, yes. >> Mrs. >> Yes. >> Mrs. L. >> Yes. >> President. >> Hi. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. President Ramos
>> I ordinance for introduction an ordinance amending the city of Hobok and organization to add the department of community services call out >> Mr. Con.
>> Stone >> yes >> Fiser. >> Uh yes on first reading >> Mrs. Zyus >> yes >> Mrs. Le >> yes >> Mr. President Mr. >> Okay.
Mr. Cano >> I >> Mr. Russo >> I >> President Ramos >> I >> Orange for introduction authorizing the amendment to execute of a lease agreement between the city of Hobok and community investment strategist
incorporated property located at 25911 street also known as 1033 Willow Avenue block 172 lot 17 call vote >> Mr. Con. >> Hi. >> Feel >> hi. >> Fisher.
>> Yes. >> Mrs. Zyus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> Mr. Presidento. >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi. >> President Ramos. >> Hi. Ordinance for section adopt adopting an
amendment to a non-disturbance agreement between the city of Hoboken Heritage Heritage Village at the Hoboken LLC and the New Jersey Housing and Mortgage Finance Agency. Call vote. >> Mr. Con.
>> Hi. >> Firestone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Imus. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes. >> Mr. Presidento. Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos.
>> Hi. >> Or for introduction amending chapter 192 entitled parking for persons with disabilities to establish a reserve space on Adam Street between 7th Street and 8th Street. Call vote. >> Mr. Con.
>> Firestone. >> Yes. >> Mr. Fischer. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Yes, >> Mrs. Slen. >> Yes, >> Mr. Presidento. >> Mr. Cano, >> hi. >> Mr. Russo. >> Hi, >> President Ramos. >> Hi.
>> Orange for an introduction amending the North End redevelopment plan for the North End Rehabilitation Area. >> Call vote. >> Mr. Con. >> Firestone. >> Yes. >> Fisher. >> Yes. >> Mrs. Imus. >> Yes.
>> Mrs. Le. Yes, >> Mr. Presidento. >> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> I, >> Mr. Russo. >> I, >> President Ramos, >> I. >> Now, C CD11 is sending uh, ordinance
number seven to the planning board. Correct. >> Yes. >> Call a vote. >> Mr. Con. >> By Stone, >> yes. >> Miss Fiser, >> yes. >> Mrs. Yes, >> Mrs. Le. >> Yes, >> Mr. President Zano.
>> Hi, >> Mr. Cano. >> Hi, >> Mr. Russo. >> I >> President Ramos. >> I public portion now. Correct. >> I'm messing that up. Uh, Rose Marle
Jim Vance. He's cute. I do attend public meetings and there was none for Grant Street. I just want that on the record because Jim Vance stood up here and said I didn't show up. Anyway, a little pettiness on my part, but whatever. Um, as we're all aware, the multi-ervice
center has little to no heat and when it was minus 4 degrees was disgraceful. Did anyone think to have a special meeting, emergency meeting to discuss and remedy this remedy this situation? Senior citizens are being taken all over the place now to do certain functions, keep their social activities going. Um, so
can anyone give me a time frame as to when I know we're allowed to use it because it's warmer in the morning than it is in the afternoon. Doesn't mean it's fixed. And while we're checking it, we didn't have AC this past summer, so I'm assuming that's probably not going to work now. So, can someone give us a
timeline on this? >> Dr. Gonzalez. >> Sure. Um, as I provided in uh in the memo following the caucus meeting to the city council, unfortunately the the fix there is not a straightforward one. Um, we have moved senior programs to other
facilities um, including the gym, including the housing authority as needed. Um, we did recently receive a proposal from PSENG to modernize the system. That's through the direct install program which offers significant savings to the city off the total cost. Um, but this long-term fix will
certainly need to be weighted against the long-term future of the multis-ervice center as well. It's not an insignificant cost. Um, we don't yet have a full timeline because we need to review that proposal and and we will do so shortly with uh with committee.
>> So, if we're tearing redoing the multi-ervice, we're just not going to have heat or AC. Got it. Thank you. >> Thank you, Rose. Uh, Manny still there? Once again, thank you, Council President Manuel Rivera Soler. Um, before I want
to thank you for your vote on C L4. It was um as wished and thank you for it being unanimous. I want to thank you, Council President. I want to count thank uh council member um Quantero uh Lam and Cohen for being co-signers as well as
Mr. Firesteing for his vote to make it unanimous. Sir, thank you very much. Uh you are true Hobokenite. Thank you. Um Council President, I think the word that was missing and again I speak through you. Um I speak to you in mentioning Councilman Cano. I think we were looking
for the word quizzling. Quizling in the definition means collaborator, a trader, a collaborator that with the enemy occupying an occupying force of a
country or a state. We could use it in this point. But these are other synonyms that you can use in case quizzling is too hard. Even though we say it like this, you can say turncoat, traitor, collaborator, betrayer, renegade,
defector, fifth columnist. That one I don't know what it is, but also you can say Judith, Judas, that hurts more. But anyway, council president, we don't want to fester hate
and division. So we me I hope to include you. Um again thank everyone who spoke this evening. Once again I would like to say um we are not dividers. We don't otherize and we also don't want to disrespect those who think differently
from us. So, we want to say to them, again, I use my unofficial um title as the consoler of this council, which I think is working because I'm I'm getting in your in your head, in your brain. Um, we want to say
these names as well because they matter as well. Jen Ngare, 12 years old. Rachel Morin, 37 years old.
Kayla Hamilton, 20 years old. This Beth Medina, 16 years old, and Maria Gonzalez, 11 years old. Yes, council president. These are victims of people who
committed a crime against these people and in to their families. We don't sol want to be people who condone crime. These are crimes. It doesn't matter who committed them. So we
>> salute we should always stand with them with their families and send our condolences to them too and remind them that even at this point we are not dividers. We care for all Americans. And I would also like to say because it's been, I believe, one
year for the family that lost Lincoln Riley, 22 years old, last February 2024. So, Council President, this is so that we don't get accused of being otherized. We care for all Americans, all our
neighbors, whether they're here in Hopoken and in other jurisdictions. And also, Council President, I was remissed by not saying the name of John Wilson Brutus, who is a named person in the statement
earlier. And tonight, I would also like to say her name, who was a victim as well. Luckily, she was a survivor. Mira Martinez who was shot six times by agents of the state and I would also
like to say his little name Liam Kjo Ramos a 5-year-old who was taken into custody because he was standing with his father. They were asylum seekers council president. So council president with that I just want to say change the tone.
I want to also thank you and the count and the um city clerk and the administration for the beautiful uh symbols that you have outside in the hallway for um black history month. Uh it's important to always remember the black history is American history and Hobokenite has
great Americans like this the picture that was up there Mr. David Little a pioneer in his field as well as Vanessa Falco a former member of the council. We should also recognize them and other members of the community like Patricia
Waiters who advocates for everyone. With that I say God bless you council president. God bless you all. Slava Ukraine. Glory to Ukraine. Slava. Glory to the heroes. Thank you. >> Thank you Manny. I'm
>> Elizabeth Adams. >> Hey you're not on the list. Yes sir. Good evening. Tonight, I'd like to address what seems to be ongoing issues regarding these proceedings.
These being the interrelated issues of transparency and accountability. I was reviewing the agenda of the January 15, 2026 city council meeting when, lo to what do my wondering eyes
should appear, much to my considerable dismay, I discovered that an entire block of resolutions had been summarily and rapidly passed with absolutely no explanation or
discussion beforehand. whatsoever. Thereby depriving people who are viewing these proceedings at home of any knowledge of what was allowed to slip through the all too convenient rule of
following so-called consent agenda. To refer to it as a consent agenda implies that both the public and council members have full knowledge of a resolution before it is voted upon and
passed. Apparently, this was definitely not the case at the January 26, 20 28th January 28th, 2026 city council meeting when Mr. Firestone expressed both frustration and disgust
to Mr. Cohen regarding the fact that he, Mr. Firestone, did not know what he was voting on. >> Mr. President, >> for my own part, I decided to actively sit down and crunch some numbers, specifically in the climate action and
innovation section of the January 15, 2026 city council agenda. When I did this, I was shocked to realize that of the total claims for that agenda, which consisted of $3
million, $914,8451, 1,377,17610, or almost half of that total amount. of $3 million $3,914,8451 was dispersed just in that one climate
action and innovation portion of the agenda. Most notably, La Pest Resistance CA12, a resolution amending a contract with Murray Paving in the
increased amount of $12,71256 for a new total contract amount of $547,8286 for the installation of a press box at Mama Johnson Field funded by B653,
whatever that happens to be since there was no B section that was even listed on the January 15, 2026 agenda. I was surprised to see that you sponsored this resolution, Miss Fiser, given your past history of fiscal
responsibility. Mama Johnson Field does not even happen to be located in your ward. In any event, the bottom line is that none of the rest of you opposed it, or even chose to question it, challenge it, or
even discuss it. I would like to remind you of the reason why you are sitting there. You are privileged to do so because the people of Hoboken chose to place their trust in you. Is their trust
misplaced? Only time and you can answer that question. In the meantime, it is well to remember that people's money is not to be thought of as the equivalent of potato chips.
Lastly, as it has been previously observed, no human being is illegal on what is stolen land. ICE out now. Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you. >> Pat Waiters, thanks for coming back. Pat Waiters out now. >> Pat Waiters, I got to stop letting people come up here and make me lose my chain of door. I wasn't even going to talk about what I'm talking about, but that's nerve-wracking. I'm serious.
Sometime I say that I'm glad I didn't win cuz I probably be the only one sitting up there challenging everything to impress members of the public. Like she said, the ones that love y'all and trust y'all. That's sad. I'm serious.
500 for Mama Johnsonville. Again, we using the old Reuben. That's your ward. And you don't know nothing about it. >> You do know about it. You do know about what she talking about in January. >> Yes. >> All right. Me and you going to talk about that later then. I trust your judgment. Is that okay? >> Yes. >> Thank you, Council President. Oh my god.
Liz, you was giving me a heart attack. Anyway, I want to say one thing, and I mean this from my heart. Five minutes ago, I text five of y'all. I got to get your email. Okay, Diane. I I text five of y'all my resume. A little rough condensed version. I'm going to ask you
again to And I put Manny on there. I'm going to ask for you again. Us being two candidates, losers, whatever y'all want to call it, we still want to work for members of the public. We still want to work for the residents that live in this city. I don't know about Manny. I can't speak for him, but I'mma run again till
I have holes in my shoes. I'mma never stop running. But I'm going to tell you, we're all due fairness. Give me the opportunity that y'all gave other people. Okay? Cuz when you give somebody an opportunity, they give them a chance to build a resume, to build experience,
and build everything they need to run this city efficient. And that's why I'm upset. I do it anyway. Whether y'all want to acknowledge me or not, it's funny. I laugh. I'm going to take what Ruben said tonight and run with it. Unfriend me cuz I don't even And you know, Manny, until you call me, do I go
on the internet? Cuz I don't like the insensitive things. Cuz crazy pat waiters when I get in my ghetto fashion, I can approach everybody all day. All the cowards that hide behind Facebook and they could just say the comment and I could tell you their name, social
security, and what color shirt they have on cuz I know who don't like me. It doesn't matter. We have a city to run here. So when you run and you sit there in those chairs with no integrity or no respect or some of you have no conscience, you don't care what we
saying on this microphone. And it's not fair. It's not. I'm pleading the seat in in your wardrobe. I spoke to Mr. Sanford. His seat is up. Poopy Rya called and reached out to me for the sewage authority. None of y'all
considered him. And I love Kirk, too. I love Tony Suarez or whatever. Give other people an opportunity in Hoboken. Now, the caucus. I watch the caucus. Mike, tonight you hit it on the on the nose. Your caucus is your time. discussed that
exactly what you just asked. Corporation counsel, she said the same thing, but she left out one thing. Her meat and potatoes. I watched it and I was sick to my stomach when you mentioned three times. Corporation counsel. Oh, they made three times the salary I made.
Didn't I tell y'all after the election they was going to do that? It was the past administration that left that bill here. So then don't pay it. You get it? Oh, it was them. I know they did, but what am I? You had three people that went on vacation, had lunch breaks, took
their kids to the zoo so I could do it, too. No, that's not how we run our city. Who took her resume is what I want to know. Y'all asking me for one >> through me, please. >> Y'all, you council president. I'm sorry. >> What I need is, like I said, respons uh
accountability. I'm holding people accountable that's running this city and making sure they don't abuse their authority cuz it's about us at the end of the day. Now, in the caucus, again, before I lose my chain of thought, the caucus is for you guys when we get here for the regular meeting. No
presentations. All of that should be done in the caucus. Go to the freeholders or watch of you to understand. And I promise you, I was going to say it and I'm saying it. Don't wait till we get here and say, "Oh, I received this today." No, that should have been done at the caucus. Give us the respect we deserve. The open public
meeting that clearly states the meeting is for the public. Okay? for members of the public. So, I want answers. Now, we got to go home tonight with no answers. Why Corporation Council had all of that money you mentioned, Ruben? She didn't give you no answer. I mean, Mike, you
didn't get an answer. You didn't get a response. And that's disturbing. I watched the caucus and I heard her again tonight because somebody else in the past, that's why they not working here no more, received that much of money. That don't mean you automatically received it. You just got here. your ink on your application and you earn money
in Hoboken. Our town is vulnerable, guys. I'm closing saying this. THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHER come here. Our town is very vulnerable. >> 15 seconds. >> And people come here to take advantage of that. And I'm not having it. And I hope council president isn't having it either. And thank you, Mr. law Ruben
Ramos and um Jerry uh Jimmy Fina for considering my uncle and giving him credit for his longtime overdue legacy and what he performed in Hoboken. I will be sharing it with you again on the 25th in city hall. Thank you. >> Thank you Pat. Motion to close public
portion. >> Motion >> uh committee reports. We're gonna start with uh transportation committee. Councilman Fischer. >> Yeah. Uh we spent basically we reviewed the agenda, spent a lot of time talking
about T1 and Adam Street and had as I mentioned before had the followup and then in terms of like you know talked about how we want the committee on a go forward basis to talk about some of our bigger topics. Um the one that we raised
on this one was corner cars. um just you know getting information on our corner car program and starting to relook at that again as a way to expand alternatives for people um and and then uh I think city bikes we're going to talk about the city bike contract which
is coming up so we're going to talk about that at the next meeting. >> Thank you very much. Uh, Councilman. >> So, uh, parks and public works, we were unable to meet prior to the caucus or to this, uh, council meeting due to the,
um, uh, you know, ongoing snow removal operations. Um so we hope at the next one to have more to report which would include some uh you know more feedback on what went well with snow removal uh
and potentially where we can uh make some suggested improvements. And one of the things that did come out of that recently was the um was the app to uh get volunteers who are willing to help uh seniors and disabled during snow
removal uh to help uh shovel. So that is a positive development. Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Cano. >> Uh public safety subcommittee didn't meet as we had no agenda items uh for this meeting. >> Councilman Firestone. So we had a chance to meet last week um and we went through
agenda items obviously for this particular meeting. Uh we also had a preliminary introduction on budget changes and things that are being thought about in terms of at a high level um issues that might impact the budget going forward. Uh uh administrator Gonzalez was very generous
and set up time for us to speak with with Chris Brown as well as others. Uh, unfortunately I've been sick as a dog for the last two days, so I wasn't able to attend the extra meeting that was set up on Tuesday, but I hope to have more reports back to you on the budget within the next week or so. >> Council Brusso. >> Thank you, Council President. Uh,
unfortunately, I wasn't able to u get on our committee meeting uh due to technical difficulties, but I did speak to Director Brown following that. Uh, we just had the two items for first reading tonight. If anybody needs any more color on that, we can most certainly speak offline. I I could I could speak uh to
your meeting. Uh we we spoke about some zoning uh issues coming up regard regardless to uh some residential and commercial districts. So we're going to be reviewing that in the committee uh at our next meeting. >> Yep. >> And then Councilman President Zano uh he's chair of community development
south and there we discussed uh short-term rental uh taxes uh within that committee. Uh motion to close the meeting. All >> in favor? I. >> Thank you. All right.
And away we go. Sweaty. I was looking for a good night, Manny. Thank you, Manny. Well, you still there, Phil. >> You got to stay on, Phil. >> You got to stay on for another hour. >> We didn't close the meeting, Phil. Hold on.
>> You got to stay for all the times you you miss talking tonight, Phil. >> My next meeting is going to be a disaster. >> We got an extra 15 minutes, Phil. Tonight. >> Good night, everybody. >> Good night.
>> Good night. Good night. I've met all of you. >> FYI, so finalizing it. >> Let me know. But you know, this is important to all of you. Um, you have my commitment to try to get