[Applause] [Applause] I think it's approximation. Yeah, let's just put on get you. Yeah. Okay. I mean,
thank you for whatever it is. She said much. Okay. Well, at least we know, right? Her Yes. Yes. That's correct. At the end of the meeting.
Yeah. 11:30. So if we need to filibuster to get past 11, I want you to step up. Once there's more to wait till the I agree with you. Is that correct? Matters.
How are you? I didn't get all the way through. I'm going to do it right now. I want to say something. I'll hand you the mic when I'm done. Yeah, just you can decide. We can do it simultaneously. I don't you know
we can give it together. automatically. Hi Rod. You're not Rod. Okay, everyone, please quiet down. 7:00. I would like to advise all those present that notice of this meeting has been provided to the public in accordance with the provisions of the open public meeting act and that notice was
published in the city website copies provided the Bergen record el special the northstar ledger jersey journal and also placed on the bulletin board in the lobby of city hall any any objections shall be made to the city clerk
thank you Mr. Verina all rise for the saluting of the flag to the flag of America to the stands one nation indivisible
and justice for all Mr. Con here Miss Fischer Mrs. Jabor here Mr. Presidento present Mr. Cano present. Mr. Ramos present. Mr. Russo present. President Doyle
present. So, Councilman Russo has suggested we put the resolution off for the end of the evening. But, um, proclamation going to override his suggestion and we're going to suspend the agenda and take care of the
proclamation that many people are here uh with regard to. So, council members, do we want to? Yeah, if everyone can join me up front for a presentation. Joel and Narland, come on up. And uh where's Commissioner Romano? Come on up, too.
He's got one, too. Anybody else have one? So uh we are honored to honor Joel and Marilyn Fryer tonight. Uh they are an extraordinary couple. Uh they have been in Hoboken for 50 years. But not just in Hoboken for 50 years. They have been
married for 50 years which I think in itself is worthy of recognition. Happy anniversary. Uh I just like to read some of the proclamation uh from Mayor Bala that I'd like to present on behalf of the city
council. Whereas Joel and Marilyn Fryer have been dedicated residents of Hoboken for 50 years. And whereas Joel Fryer played an active role in the early revitalization of the city of Hoboken, including his leadership with the Hoboken model cities program and serving
as chairman of the Hoboken Waterfront Corporation. And whereas Joel and Marilyn Fryer became deeply involved in the United Synagogue of Hoboken community almost immediately after ar their arrival in the 1970s each serving terms as president. Whereas Joel Fryer
was instrumental in encouraging the community to plan thoughtfully for the future and to protect, expand and restore the historic Star of Israel synagogue building at 115 Park Avenue. And whereas Joel Fryer has been a dedicated prayer leader, goodbye and Torah reader at the synagogue for
several decades. And whereas Marilyn Fryer was one of the founders of the USH Learning Center and teacher of my kindergartner daughter and and many others as well and was the first teacher of Torist stories and Jewish tradition to a generation of young children.
Whereas Joel Fryer served for many years on the board of the Hudson School as both a trustee and president during a transformational period where the institution secured, rebuilt, and established their first permanent building at 601 Park Avenue. And whereas Marilyn Fryer has served the Hoboken
Public Library, Friends, and Foundation for over 40 years in various capacities, including as a member, trustee, secretary, treasurer, and president. And whereas Marilyn Fryer oversaw the merger of the Friends of the Hoboken Public
Library established in 1986 and Hoboken Library Foundation established in 2012 into the Hoboken Library Friends and Foundation in 2022. And whereas Marilyn Fryer helped support the transformation and modernization of the Hoboken Public Library over the past
four decades. And whereas having met each other early in their careers at the federal agency HUD, Joel and Marilyn Fryer both led vocations of service spanning disaster relief, economic development, and housing security for city, state, and country. Now therefore,
I, Rainda Espala, mayor of the city of Hoboken, on behalf of the entire community, extend our heartfelt thanks to Joel and Marilyn Fryer for their profound impact on the civil, cultural, and educational life of our community and for inspiring many people with their
kindness, hospitality, and enthusiasm for strengthening community. Congratulations [Applause]
Wow. Yeah. Be before before you take the picture, um I just wanted I you know, Phil started out by saying he wanted to read some of what was on the proclamation. So good. I couldn't stop. So, there was there's an awful lot more, but I just
wanted to um add uh that Joel also taught meditation. Um if if if this weren't enough, everything that was recited, he and my lovely wife taught meditation to uh women who were released from prison in
in halfway houses in New York. And uh they they would drive off, you know, one night a month to teach meditation. And it I I'm a very jealous individual. So I was um you know, wanting to keep an eye on Joel. So in order to reciprocate
after 911 um when Marilyn and I, we both work for the federal government in downtown and the PATH service went out and so the only leg uh reasonable way to get to lower Manhattan was on a bus. And so
Marilyn and I met daily as we commuted into New York. And I had my eye on her so that I could get back and get Joel to be jealous of me spending trips in and out every day. So anyway, thank you very much both of you and I'm sorry to exact.
Yes. Okay. And Commissioner Romano has a Do we want You may as well do them together. Does that make sense? Okay. I'm here on behalf of the Catholics. No. Um first uh kiss
uh uh to the honored and distinguished members of the Hoboken City Council and and dear friends that they are. Thank you for the allowing us the privilege to come here. on behalf of the county executive Craig Guy and my fellow board of commissioners. I'm not going to repeat all the words that Phil did, but the interesting fact is that for the all
the things that you've done not only in Hoboken but outside of Hoboken, the things that you started out in Newick during the early rehabilitation days after uh uh some disturbances there and what have you done as a team and I think that's what strengthens the marriage, the fact that you've both accomplished
so much and what's not mentioned was that you're both uh great parents. you have loving daughters that uh always speak highly of and I think that's just important. [Applause] So, um together with got to say with the council together we all uh adore you and
both thank you for everything you do and continue to do for the community. God bless. Thank you. And uh Here you go. Nobody move. Nobody move. Everybody good? [Applause]
Congratulations. [Applause] Just do this. Jim, we don't want to encourage everybody to stay. Hot dogs will be served in the clerk's office, right? Going out for a drink,
which is which is true, by the way. You know, once I started reading, I'm like, "No, always true up the wine. This is not like you should have said that's only half of but you covered two of the things I was going to They invite you for drinks or are we uh
We're going to make it still be That's true. call back. No, no, just just made the observation now. How old is your daughter now? 22.
22. Goes very quickly. like that is okay. Uh yeah, let's do we're gonna do the two presentations and then Okay.
Then we can suspend and deal with Yep. Not just every time hyperbole. Yes, I I get it. We're doing the Brian Aoy special. Okay. But so it's not under first readings. Okay.
Y Okay. Are we uh Director Weber, could you close the door? Well, thank you. That was today. I saw him. He just looked at me like nothing on the agenda. Yeah, exactly.
All right. So, um, Director Gonzalez, uh, are you going to be providing us with a p presentation for the public hearing for the Tom Aloe vera park improvements? I am. Thank you. Um all right. Uh thank you so much city
council members um for this evening. We Oh, you do. Is that better? That's better. Okay. Um I'm here this evening to present the final concept design for Tomy Park. Um, a little tough to read there, but Tomy Park is, uh, as all of you know, a 5,000
square foot pocket park in Northwest Hoboken, uh, on Willow Avenue at the intersection of 13th Street. It was renamed in 2019, uh, Tom Olive Park to honor its namesake, Tom Olive, who was this one of the city's first tenant rights advocates. Um, this timeline up
here, uh, illustrates the outreach and engagement for the project. Um, the proposed redesign was developed with input from more than 400 residents um, who participated in an early community survey and public hearing that we started back in 2025, last time we were here. Um, that feedback was incorporated
into the preliminary concept design which was presented at a public meeting on June 5th. After that public meeting, uh, an online public survey was made available and, uh, we gathered additional input. We further refined the concept design and presented that concept design to the planning board.
Excuse me, director. Could could could whoever's talking in the back of the room please take it outside or stifle yourself. Thank you. Thank you, Council President. Director. Um, so the concept design was further refined based on all this public feedback and was presented to the
planning board on August 5th. That takes us to the final concept plan. Um, this concept design includes an inclusive playground which has two connected play structures, an accessible safe surface that will allow for children of all ages and abilities to play together, as well as a redesigned
water spray area with modern spray features to enhance the water play experience. Um, the design is guided by three main principles. First, play to create a joyful and inclusive opportunities for movement and uh, imagination and then comfort. So, we're
looking to provide safe, shaded, accessible spaces for relaxation, and connection, and culture, which grounds the park in its heritage, identity, and community pride. The proposed project's color schemes that you'll see up there are very bright. Um, these were selected by our
our design firm arterial is they are inspired by um the Puerto Rican heritage and pay tribute to um to Tom's heritage. The design also uh prioritizes the preservation of existing mature tree canopy to provide shade and natural ambiance throughout the park with new
furnishings that cover comfortable seating and accommodates both parents and caregivers. Um there are as as uh those who have been to the park know there are two murals in the park. These were um approved by the arts advisory committee and uh painted a few years ago. Um, this includes flight um, as
well. And that's a mural honoring Tom Olivivery. Um, and uh, I'm sorry, flight as well as a mural honoring Tom Olivivery. Um, painted by his son and um, uh, another painted by um, I'm sorry, I'm misreading my my notes here.
Apologies. Um, so flight is a mural honoring Tom Oliver designed and painted by his son um, Ray Guzman and members of the Hoboken community. Um both of these murals will be restored as a separate project but will integrate it into the new design and um also the uh safety
surface uh incorporates some of the um uh I I guess pays tribute to the current spray feature in the park the frog. Um so just now to provide a few renderings of the concept design. This is a perspective of the playground.
Here's a perspective of the prominade. And finally, a perspective of the splash pad. And uh I will just conclude with funding. Uh this project is entirely grant funded. We received a grant from the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Greenacres
Jakelaw Program for accessible and inclusive uh playground equipment. And we also are receiving a grant from the Hudson County Open Space Trust Fund uh funded by um uh Craig and Hudson County. and at this project will ultimately be
um be funded then at no cost to city taxpayers. Um with that I will conclude for any questions. And what's the timetable? Uh so we'll enter final design and then we anticipate to be bid uh bidding out later sorry toward the beginning of 2026.
2026. Thank you. This is a final concept design. So we do have to do final engineering first. So when will it be built? Next year. Mhm. I don't have a full construction schedule yet but yes next year. Would you microphone? Yeah. Sorry. Um, do you do you have a sense of how
long it's like is there anything major in this or is it like structural or is it kind of more surface moving things around a little? Like do we expect this to be a two-year project? No, I think this is more like a one-year project. Um, I envision it very similar to the timeline for the Church Square Park improvements. Um, so
can can I bother you just to go back to the original one? So where on here is the splash part? Uh circle back here. That's the splash. Okay. Let me let me just Yeah, that's I got the presentation of the playing board. Okay. That is the splash.
That's the slash there. And then the blue and green is just the the play. This is equipment. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. The blue is the safety surface. That's about like the light blue. And what's the safety surface again? Rubberized. And is there um
And it's just are the And the features are all new. And you said there um can you describe the actual play features again? Uh yeah, I can just actually run down all the captions here. That would be helpful. So this highlights the murals that are uh to remain. Um this is a sensory wall for kind of quiet play. Oh,
great. This is an accessible playground structure. Um as as you noted, the green and the blue is the uh port in place rubber safety surface. These are planting beds, right? Sorry, it's perable. Permeable. Yep. Great. Um, these are
planting beds in here that preserve some of the trees. Um, this is an additional uh accessible playground structure. Uh, here's an additional play structure for sensory um and also uh quiet play. We have some trees around the the perimeter
of the park. Um, the fence will actually be moved back a little bit to the property line. Um, and that's right here. It's a 8ft fence. Um, and then starting at the top right here, um, here we have kind of a a paver decomposed, I shouldn't call it PA, it's decomposed
granite, um, kind of plaza area. Then we have our our chairs and tables here. They're accent chairs and tables like beastro chairs. Um, engraved symbols and art opportunities are surrounding this kind of wall area, a seat wall. Um, all
of our utilities are are um, camouflaged. um the splash pad as we mentioned before and then we have uh benches along the the side of the property here uh near these mature trees and then we'll be adding a Portland Lou restroom um uh
down here which is both a community request and also a requirement of our funding. And and will it have um a gate and be locked at night? Yes. Great. Awesome. It looks great. And stroller parking and the frog and you kept a frog. Uh the yeah the safety surface will uh will
look like froggy. Nice. Yes, cuz everyone calls it the froggy part. Everyone loves froggy. Is it all one level as well? I know one of the challenges with the existing structure is that it's been multiple levels. So this is all graded. I believe it's Yeah, I mean it's not flat, but it is yes accessible.
The ramp though, I think the Yes, I think the black part is a ramp. Probably the best way to put it. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Nice. Y awesome. Great. Thank you. Is that available somewhere on our website or something? Uh yes, it is. and I will um I'll can send around a link tomorrow if that's helpful. Great. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? So for the the public um this is a hearing which we have on changes to our park. So we're opening up the uh to the public to Manny we can put your name on there if you want to come up to the
microphone. And perhaps I should I don't know that there's one of those sheets has is a sign up for Tom. I'll don't don't take both because the because the budget is the other one. So
and I I'll I'll put his name on it. Jimmy, if if there's is there no one else on it is my question. I go so I won't get the answer. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Council President, council, members of the public. I appreciate the
opportunity. Um Council President, um just a few questions. Um one would be the most interesting one is when was mentioned about the funding. Um in the past we've had um circumstances where we get grants uh into the city for
designated for some of these parks as has happened recently. um how secure will these funds be in the um city's uh budget that you're not going to use it for something else and then
say, "Oh, now we need to borrow or pull some money from somewhere else. How secure will that grant money be?" Obviously, we know that the grant monies are dedicated for what it is that I know, but sometimes it it gets switched around. And is the cost going to include
also maintenance for the park? Uh or is that uh a separate issue that has to be spoken by the council? And in regards to what was also mentioned which you did uh present uh I had in my notes here which is uh the accessibility for um any
persons or children with disabilities. So that is incorporated in in the thing which is a great thing and I I appreciate it and thank uh the design for it also. um when you mention and again this is uh uh just a sidebar but
you mention your incorporating um Puerto Rican culture and heritage. I'm assuming that what does that actually mean? I would like to know. And does it include um I guess I'm assuming Hispanics and who were there as well or
or of other nationalities. But when you say colors, cuz what what confused me is you said colors, but what does it mean by you're you're doing something for that culture, which was by the way uh personal um uh knowledge. I lived a block before and it was mostly all
Puerto Ricanos and Dominicans and other of our great nationalities and cities. But if you could uh uh give us a little insight on those uh uh concerns. Uh I think other than that uh I appreciate the presentation. Thank you, Council President.
Thank you. So, director, am I correct that if grant monies are dedicated to a specific project, it is not it would be inappropriate as in Yeah. Yes, it is. So, these grant funds are um
will be uh incorporated into the municipal budget for a particular purpose because the grants cannot be used for any other park or any other purpose. Um these two particular funding sources I would consider among the most secure um that that we can receive. They're not federal. They're not federal funding. Uh one is a state grant, one is
a county grant. Um and we are grateful to our partners there that those grant funding sources still exist. Um and uh let's see, maintenance is maintenance cost, which we're currently spending money to maintain. So we're the grants don't go in perpetuity for
maintenance, unfortunately. No. Uh this is incorporated into our our current uh operating budget. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Motion to close public hearing. Well, yeah, there's nobody else signed up. Um so I
I all those in favor I I thank you. Um and there is a sign up over there for we have uh nobody sign. We're doing that in a little bit of time. So if you just there's a sign up a dedicated signup sheet for the budget if
anyone wants to sign up for that which will be probably in about you know 10 15 minutes depending on how the or the second readings ordinances go. Um here you go. So, which is um the first second
reading is going to be uh it's going back to first reading. Well, we could do it when we're going to vote on it or No, I I don't Yeah, that's fine. Thank you. Um we we will open up the the public hearing on the budget.
Now, we had the So, I I take back what I just said. There's nobody signed up currently. Um, but we so we have to open and close the hearing with regard to the budget. We had a a 2 and a half hour meeting or however long it was on July
29th on this topic. Um, so anybody mot Oh, Manny. Okay. So then I will put your name again down. I know how to spell it. Manuel Rivera Solair. Yes, Council President Manuel Rivera Solera that's of
the sixth ward. I just wanted to um I guess you're voting. Are you having any further discussion um to enlighten members of the public that perhaps were not at that meeting? And could you could give precise uh examples as to um what
is being raised, what rates of uh taxes, if any, uh and uh I guess any pertinent information that maybe some members of the public don't know if you can do that. Council President, I'm sorry to take up too much time, but uh uh it's here and someone should ask a question.
Thank you so much. I yel back. Okay. I I don't it's there are many numerous amendments, so I don't know about going line by line through them, but director, if you feel capable of uh
just giving an overview. The administration introduced a budget that proposed a 6.9% levy increase. Uh the council has passed amendments to that budget that would implement a 4.5% municipal tax increase. The total
reduction was about $1.58 million from what was introduced. Um and that's what will be voted upon tonight by the city council. Okay. Council President Councilman Russo. Director, if you could just um maybe summarize the memo that you sent out to
the council, I think that would be informative for the public as well. Um, I sent a memo to the council this afternoon. The first page was an update on where we stand on the 2026 budget. The following five pages were memos from
our department directors to the city council summarizing the line item changes um and the impacts to municipal operations based on every one of those line item changes. Um, some of them related to salary and wages, some of them were related to operating expenses.
Um, and uh, I don't know if you have further questions on that or Yeah, if you could just if you could just go over the um, those specific impacts and and the concerns that you had uh, expressed in that memo. I think that would be important for everyone to
know. Do you mean the first page which is the overview or well the the concerns that uh this director had and then the subsequent directors as well in their individual departments pertaining to those changes. It's difficult to summarize other than
reading the memos into the record. Um is there specific whatever's easiest for you director honestly. Well, director, could you I'm not trying to modify what you're asking. Your your initial page just talked about the challenges for 2026 that that are in
the future. um and the the the various caps and so forth. And then the the remaining uh four or five I guess yours you also have a a Caleb you're the you have two memos in
essence and it just it says if projected costs exceed we may have to revisit it. I will I will read I will read at a high level. So, there's a a 30,000 reduction in the city clerk's OE, $125,000
uh reduction in corporation council, $265,000 reduction our insurance. We appropriated grants. We have to reconcile the budget based on grants we receive. Uh there's a reduction in the office of emergency management of about 50% of their operating expenses, 70% in
salary reductions. Um the police department $100,000 salary and wage reduction. Security $50,000 salary and wage reduction. Um the redevelopment budget was cut by $150,000. Division of housing OE by $100,000.
Zoning board of adjustment by $40,000. Um $60,000 reduction in central garage salary and wages, $40,000 reduction in public property salary and wages. um and a use of $300,000 of surplus from HPU's budget. Uh all of these comparisons are
based on what the administration had introduced versus what the council has voted to adopt um for the 2025 budget. Thank you. Motion to close public portion for the budget. Motion second.
All those in favor? I. Thank you, council members. Um Mr. Fina, call the vote. No, I guess you think you got it. All right, we're on to ordinances now. All right.
Yes, we're going on to ordinances. Hearing on an ordinance of the city of Hoboken and the county of New Jersey. Pardon? Is he Is he there? Um, ordinance number two. Let me get my glasses on. How many are there a number uh councilman that
I think there's that's it. Do you want to vote on B783 and first reading number 10? That'll be a couple Ruben can get up and move around twice. Okay. Um, so we're on number two for first reading, right? If you wait a
moment 783 going back to first reading. Take a second. Uh hearing on an ordinance of the city of Hobok and the county of Hudson, New Jersey, approving the contribution of portion of annual service charge provided to the city of Hobok and pursuant to the financial agreement by and in between the city of
Hoboken JB112 urban renewal LLC into the city pilot education trust account. Okay. Um is there Thank you. Anybody signed up to speak on B790?
And the answer is no. No one is signed up. Motion close. Public portion. Second. All right. All those in favor? I. Mr. Fina, call the vote. Mr. Con? I.
Miss Fischer. Yes. Mr. Jabore. Yes. PresidentO. Yes. Mr. Cano. Hi. Mr. Ramos. He's abso I President Doyle I refused.
Could you go get C? Oh, okay. Never mind. All right. On to the next hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 141 parking garages and lots public of the Hoboken city code to amend transient parking rates in municipal parking
facilities. Uh, Manuel Rivera Solair, you signed up for this. Hey, I just sent you a text. Yeah, I just sent you a text. No, it's okay. I still I still have a few because I have
some questions. Once again, thank you, Council President. Council President, I'm going to be brief, but I just want to um let uh council president know or see that I place my name in five, including this
one, five different ordinances. That means there's five times I could come up here and speak for five minutes. And if every member of the public in here would like to speak on each and every one of them for five minutes, do you know how long we would be here? For a lot of minutes. Anyway, I just wanted that on
the records. I just wanted that on the record because you you you do it every time and it's it's work has to be done. Of course, nobody's saying that. But then again, we cannot get mad when the meeting runs for hours plus. I will get to my question. It's very simple.
Council President, are you up? I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Council President, can members of the public um have a better understanding of what is being amended? if what rate is being amended in I see that it says
transit parking so I'm assuming it's people it's not for the residents in general but can you clarify that um that interrogative there and can you let members of the public understand the reasoning for um the amendment and possibly changing of any fees if that is
to change a fee and I yield back and also council president yielded back I I yield back but I will not be speaking on every single one that was dramatic effect okay your penmanship leaves a little to be desired. So, I don't know that I could even figure out a few of these, but I will check with you for each and
you could let us know. Um, all right. No one else is in the public. Motion to close portion. Second. All those in favor? I um is the question is just how the rates
are right in the ordinance. They've gone up about I I don't know the answer to the question. Um yeah. Um rates are going to go up. Garage B, garage D for transient. Um one
hour rate stays the same. 2 hours goes from $11 to 12 uh dollars. Uh $1 for a number. Uh up to four uh hours goes from 16 to 18. Up to 8 hours goes from 20 to 22. Up to 12 hours goes from 28 to 30. 24 hours
goes from 32 to 36 and there was a note that we are currently so this will rectify about 30% below market rate so we're going to try to fix some of that thank you councilman uh Mr. Anyone else Mr. Ber call the vote
Mr. Con I miss Fiser yes Mrs. Jabore yes presidentano hi Mr. Canero Mr. Ramos hi Mr. Russo. No. President Doyle. I hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 192 parking for persons with
disabilities. Uh no members of the public. Motion to close public portion. Second. All those in favor? I. Um Mr. Fina, please call the vote. Mr. Con. Hi. M. Fischer. Yes. Mr. Jabore. Yes.
President. Hi. Mr. Cano. Hi. Mr. Mr. Ramos. Hi, Mr. Russo. I President Doyle. I hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 146 peddler transient merchants of the city of Hoboken to include non-motorized
mobile retail vendors. Mr. uh Rivera Solair. Thank you once again, Council President. Uh uh once again to members of the public this is not uh meant to be uh me
grandstanding. It is not at all. It is just me asking questions and I hope members of the public understand that. I just want to clarify that again. Council president here I will be once again very brief. It is very simple. Can members of the public those that are not able to read the complete packet sometimes
myself or it gets overwhelming. Can you please help members of the public understand what are the amendments? What is being changed? It is it a fee for these types of um retail vendors and
what if any can you give an example as to why it needs to be done at this moment? Thank you. Council president, are you back? Second. Yeah. Thank you. Uh no other members of the uh public motion public portion. Second. All those in favor? I
uh can sure so just to address the question that was asked by the member of the public um this was precipitated due to um some level of oversight with the vendors who have been on the waterfront. Uh and there was a particular vendor who
didn't fit in any of the existing categories and there was some lack of clarity for between sort of the communications between the clerk's office that issues the permits versus the police department that oversees enforcement of those permits. there was a particular business that did not fit into the existing categories. So, this
allows for clarification to the law so that we can ensure that that particular business is properly permitted and not that type of business um and not violating any of the um existing ordinances. Thank you, Counciloman Councilman President.
Um I guess I have a question. Most of our laws I was looking through most of us are like we have mobile retail. Do you have a microphone? Uh We are one short I today but we're we're sharing budget cuts. Yes, budget cuts.
I'm okay with that. Um so in this when we say mobile retail vendors, most of our laws are written for food. Right. Right. So this is an embroidery business. This will clarify it. Yeah. Okay. Because that's one of the problems that I have
w with enforcement. But I wanted to make sure that I was it was under the same it's a non-food business. That was the issue. Food is that's the issue. Okay. Yes. And there were some concerns with those food businesses, which is how this kind of got in the crosshairs of that. And so the update was actually recommended by the police department to ensure that those other non-food categories were
covered. So one other question that'll come to hand. I know we have a 75 ft rule. So this is going to get into a little bit of a weird thing now. Now that we put this, so if we have a mobile vendor then that is on let's say Washington Street and is selling clothing. I I'm just
using an example. If there's a clothing store within 75 ft, they can't be there. So, how are we going to enforce that? This is a secondary problem because I have it on Washington Street right now with something. And uh in the food, we clearly say food is 75 ft. And we've I
think um we had an issue over here with Goi Grill in in a food truck that it was measured and it was looked at that, but I have some other issues on Washington Street where some vendors or some businesses have expressed some concern. Um, does that mean now that we'll be in they'll fall
under the 75 ft rule as well? Off the top. That might be more of a question for public safety with respect to enforcement. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm happy to follow up and check on this because I think the particular type of business that brought this to our attention is an embroidery business, which is rather unique. So, I don't know
that there's duplication in the universe with respect to that type of business. But I think we could look into some of those other non-food categories to clothing vendors and stuff that kind of pop up was I don't know that those are permitted though. So the difference with this was that they had actually gone through the process of seeking a permit from the
from the city. Oh, these people still have permits. I mean they're trucks like so that I'm just my concern is that if we're going to put everybody in now now that we have the law that the 75 foot rule holds and a lot of these vendors can't be on Washington Street because a majority of the blocks kind of have what they're
pedalling. M so uh we could look into that if that's helpful into that because I know at the summer season a lot of merchants on in the business district have been expressing concern that every little bit helps why everybody's at the shore and on vacations. Sure. All right. Thank you.
Can I ask uh is is this um who enforces it? You just mentioned public safety. Public safety is actually the one who enforces this. Yes. This came to my attention through an interaction between a business and the police department. I'm so curious if this is one of those
things that we can have like a code enforcement officer HPU enforce. You know, it doesn't feel like it's a public safety doesn't feel like it needs to have public safety resources in terms of the enforcement of this. I'm just curious if
that's something um we could consider. Caleb says yes. Okay. not not to change your ordinance or anything, just conceptually um thinking about removing some of those everyday more administrative type enforcement away from public safety so they can uh you
know focus more on safety related issues. Thank you, Councilwoman. Mr. Fina, please call a vote. Mr. Con, I miss Fischer. Yep. Mr. Jabor, yes. President Zano, I Mr. Cano, hi.
Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo, hi. President Doyle I uh 79 B 794 is going back to first reading. Correct. A hearing on an ordinance amending chapter 110 adding section 28 for
sidewalk trash sheds. Uh two members of the public have signed up to speak. Um Mary and Draa This is the TR ordinance amending uh sidewalk trash sheds.
It's it's the number seven on the page one of the agenda. Yes. Okay. If that helps. All right. Mayor Andrea 159 Street. I'm I'm a little out of the loop. I've been
away. But um this is on second reading. trash sheds. I My understanding is that this is to cover the garbage cans roughly. Is is that right? Yes. Okay. Well, as Yeah. Okay.
No, I'm Well, I that sounds nice. Retain them and not discover them or whatever. Yeah. You know what I mean? Um, the issue that I've had with the garbage, the trash
receptacles is that you you want to put a trash shed. Uh, um, is this a covering over the existing res new ones? Yes. Okay. All right. If you're going to get new ones and spend the city's money,
it's not our money. The city's not our money. Whatever. If you're going to get property owners, I'm sorry. property owners will be putting their trash cans into a little shed so that Oh, these aren't the public ones. These are not public at all. This is So now we're going to clutter up
Washington Street more. No, this is a This is No, this is on Washington Street, correct? No, this is citywide for any building citywide. It's residential buildings. Buildings between 10 to 50 units. Okay. What about this is all every
building? This is an option in the university. It's an option. It's not forced on you, right? It's not forced. No, it is an option. Okay. I thought this had to do with Washington Street because I was going to say if you're going to cover those up, why don't you empty them first? We We have an issue with that never happening
and that's, you know, I brought it up and it's kind of a sanitary thing and rat thing, but that this is though. So, who asked for this? Who asked for this? Right now, we don't have any law for this. So people could just put these things out if they wanted
to. So nobody was regulating it. Nobody was watching it. So if I wanted to put a Oh, you're only allowing people to do this. Yes. Well, people were doing it and there was no code for it. So we inserting this. So if you wanted to go out there and build, you know, um
but this is on their property in front of their house. Yes. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um Manuel Rivera Solair. back. Okay. Thank you. Yes, we got five back.
Um, no more. No other members in a closed public portion. Second. All those in favor? I. This is just no more. Mr. Fina, Mr. Con. Hi, Miss Fischer. Yes. Mr. Jabore. Yes. President. Hi,
Mr. Cano. Hi, Mr. Ramos. Hi, Mr. Russo. Hi, President Doyle. Hi. Uh, B796 is going No, read it and Oh, we're going to amend it. All right.
Yes. Just for the public, this ordinance needs to be amended because there's a essentially a typographical error, but we passed it on first reading. So, we're going to vote again as if it's a first reading and it will come back for a final hearing at our next meeting.
Could you just highlight what the error was? I'm happy to do that. The the the dollar amount instead of saying 1425 instead of$125. $1,400 versus $100. There was an extra four. That's That's a problem. Yeah.
Will be a big one. Yep. There's a good catch. Good catch. Councilwoman Jabor. Problem. So, uh, no members of the public have signed up. I I think we already did that. If we didn't, we Motion to close by portion. Second. Thank you. All those in favor? I.
I. Mr. Fre council president just um go ahead but that the one increase up to uh $1,245 is still current per program. That's the typo.
That was the typo. Typo. So it should have been $125. From 70 to 125, but it said that was the only one. That was the only one. That's I just want to make sure. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you, Councilman. No problem, Mr. Fra. Call the vote. The ordinance as amended. Mr. Con.
Hi. Fisher. Yes. Jabore. Yes. President. Hi. Mr. Cano. Hi. Mr. Ramos. Hi. Russo. No. President Doyle. I. Hearing on an ordinance amending chapter
58-23 permits enabling reservations on resiliency park community room. No members of the public have signed up. Mushing to close public portion. Second. All those in favor. I.
Mr. Fina, call the vote. Mr. Con, hi. Miss Fiser, yes. Mr. Jabor, yes. President Xano, hi. Mr. Cano, hi. Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo, I. President Doyle, I. Hearing on an ordinance uh further
amending bond ordinance B551 of the city of Hobok and County of Hudson, New Jersey, relocating funding at no additional cost to the city. Uh, no members of the public have signed up. Close public portion. Second. All
council president. Okay. Well, all those in favor of closing the public portion. I I Councilman President Zano. Yeah. I I Well, first off, I think uh a positive thing is we've saved $2 million on Southwest Park. So, that's a positive thing. I that can't go unnoticed. Uh 2
million, sorry. 2 million. Uh, I am concerned that we're reallocating it for more parks, uh, particularly Church Square Park, which I was told when I first kind of got on the council that that would be covered by grants. Uh, my concern is how about we use that money to pave some roads. How about we use
that money to do some infrastructure work? Let's put it towards that instead of towards the parks right now because I think the pending need that we have, you can't drive down Madison Street or Adam Street or I know some of them are being paved. Madison for one. Uh but you got 13th Street. We I can name the streets
that we have issues. You know, I I think that we the 2 million that were there, we should re if we're going to reallocate the funds, let's put it towards the infrastructure of the city and not parks. Right now, I think we have enough parks that are going on right now, and
I'd like to see that money go towards infrastructure on keeping every resident happy, especially paving. Council resident. Counciloman Fischer, what did you say? Yep. Uh
so I I just wanted to highlight one thing that um often we have to bond first um in order to get a project going knowing that we're going to have grants at some point. And so Southwest Park, if I do recall, I know um Dr. Gonzalez is
busy right now, but I but I think if I recall correctly, when we were doing the Southwest Park expansion, um we had to bond for the whole project, but we knew at some point we were going to have uh grant funding to reduce the bonding. And I think you're going to see in the next bond ordinance, the same thing. has a
big number of $36 million because we have to bond for the cost so that we can start the projects um and actually fund them, but there's 15 million in grants that will come back. So, the net amount is often lower. So, um happy to see that
we freed up the 2 million that we approved for Southwest Park. Um I don't disagree that we should be paving roads more, um etc., but I think two things can be true at the same time. And you know, Church Square Park is uh the heart of Hoboken. We've done if if anyone's
gone by and seen the the the new um young kids area. It looks amazing. I mean, they preserve the trees. It looks beautiful. And um spending a little bit more um you know, in that area I'm just okay with. So, I hope everyone supports this tonight.
Thank you, Councilwoman. Mr. I'm sorry. Councilman Russo. Yeah. Just I mean I understand Councilman President's point here. What was the overrun in Church Square that we need the extra 2 million?
It's not I think but was this is for the next phase. Yeah. No, there is no overrun. This would fund additional phases of implementation. Okay. So it's not for that first. It's absolutely not for that. My misunderstanding. Thank you.
Thank you. Mr. Pina, please call the vote. Mr. Con. Miss Fischer. Yes. Yes. Oh, Mrs. Jabbor. President Zano. No. Mr. Cano. Hi. Mr. Ramos. Hi.
Mr. Russo. I. President Doyle. I. Excuse me. Hearing on an ordinance amending bond ordinance B493 of the city of Hoboken County of Hudson, New Jersey, revising the soft course borrow
borrowing limit at no additional cost to the city. Uh Mr. Rivera Solair. Yes, Council President. Thank you for for calling me up. uh partial answer to
the question was uh just given by council member Fischer but still the question would be the sum is it necessary to bond that amount because of grants that are possibly coming again grants at this uh
juncture of our um national uh circumstances and our um legal issues um could all be in question. So, we need to be a little bit more um I would say prudent when we bond
and bond and bond and as uh the parks are noble. People need to um have parks in their neighborhoods. That is that is a good thing. Um but we cannot overburden the taxpayer and that has to be um and made somehow a little bit more
equitable uh for the residents and the taxpayers of Hoboken. So that is my question would be then why this amount does it have to be because as was mentioned that you have to bond to start um making uh some
I guess some arrangements with whoever is going to uh uh be uh in charge of the project. So with that council president if if any of that made sense and if you could ask any member of the council that would like to answer I would appreciate it and I'm sure members of the public
would too. And with that, I y Thank you, Mr. Manny. Um, no other members of the public have signed up. Motion closed by the portion. Second. All those in favor? I. Uh, Mr. Fina, call the vote.
Mr. Cohen, I. Miss Fischer, yes. Mrs. Jabore, yes. President Dano, uh, no. Wait, where? Hold on. Sorry. We're 11. 11. Yes. Yes. Hi, Mr. Cano.
Hi, Mr. Ramos. Hi, Mr. Russo. I President Doyle. I hearing on an ordinance bond ordinance authorizing the completion of various capital improvements for Maritime Park
block 259, lots one and two, 800 Monroe Resiliency Park block 87, lot 1.01, 01 including public art acquisition install installation and capital facility improvements allocating related there to
and for the city of Hobok and county of Hudson, New Jersey appropriating the sum of 36,342,000 therefore authorizing the issuance of general obligation bond or bond anticipation notes for the city of Hoboken County of Hudson, New Jersey in
the aggregate principal amount of up to 34,524 $4,900 are making certain determinations and covenants and authorizing certain related actions in connection with the foregoing. Thank you, Mr. Fina.
Um, uh, Enrique Herrera. Thank you, Council President. Uh, my questions involve the skatepark that's being built. Uh I did submit a survey along with I think Robbie Bala had something going on there where you can
submit your personal you know the skate park and the marine. Yeah. Yeah. The maritime involves that specific one. Correct. Yeah. I think that was this this does fun. It does extend and everything. Uh but what what is the point of authorizing those
bonds? What is being completed first? Exactly. whe whether is it the skatepark first and then the amenities around it or is it like is there like a structured thing going on? We can get an answer for your question. Okay. Um are you done?
Oh no no no I u point is the point is u as a skateboarder that is very important to the community that is Hoboken. I am a part of that community of the old skatepark where I pretty much knew everyone. We ran contests there. I was part of sponsors that did involve themselves with starting contests there.
So, that is an integral part of our community and I'm like one of the only ones left that can, you know, like that has that the skill set that, you know, we can skateboard and have a good time and stuff. Most of the friends of mine went to Bear Lane, others went to New York. Uh, so bringing that flavor back to Hobin is very important to me.
Okay. Thank you. Um, Manuel Rivera and I will get an answer for you. Um, Mr. Y thank thank you. Um no other members of the public motion to close public portion second. All those in favor.
Um Director Gonzalez, are you able to tell us the chronology of the skate park in relation to the maritime parks construction? Yes. Uh so this ordinance would fund phase one of the maritime park
construction. uh scope of work for that phase would include the skate park, the living shoreline, the waterfront walkway at the pedestrian plaza. Um and within the phasing of the construction, I I cannot confirm exactly when the skatepark will be, but it will actually
be um you know produced as as one entire phase. So I think you can assume all of that at once. Great. Thank you very much. Director, just as a quick followup, is there like when we think about how that area has been used Um, is there a way to
prioritize the skate park and not have it be like an 18-month process for the skate park, but just separate it, get it done first, cuz that has always been actively used and get them where the rest of it we we can we can always walk on the sidewalk. We can do things in
that area, but that has a lot of activity around it. I can I can absolutely bring that up with the design team as they're finalizing the engineering plans and see if there's a way to do a TCO for the skatepark. As I always say, as I always say, tell them they have to. It's a it we're rep we're advocating for our
neighbors. We're not We're solving for what the neighbors want, not what the contractor wants. Understood. Awesome. Director, could you break down the dollar amounts for each of the projects? Uh yes, with the bomb. Um so, Maritime Park, um estimated
project cost is 14.8 million. Um, however, the estimated debt issued would be about 11 million. We anticipate that we will receive um $500,000 from the Hudson County Open Space Trust Fund. I'm sorry, we have received 500,000 from Hudson County. Um 2.4 million from New
Jersey D and a million from the state, which is actually already been confirmed. Um that's Maritime Park and then 800 Monroe. Um, we are looking at uh
project cost of um, hang on, sorry, make sure I'm reading the right slide for you. This is this is a Yeah, a resiliency park. Correct. Yeah. 800 Monroe um, resiliency park is about $21 million. Um, but the
estimated debt issued would only be $9 million. That's because we have uh obtained $1 million in grants from NJD. Um and we anticipate a $10 million uh contribution from the um nearby developer. The nearby What was the last part?
Sorry. $10 million from a nearby developer. 914 Monroe I believe is the uh Chris would probably know best. I don't 914 Monroe. Thank you. Yeah. 914 to 9:30 Mandlebound. Yeah. Former Mandelbound. All right. Thank you, director.
Uh, Mr. I we no members we closed this already. I post to close public portion. I all those in favor? I I um council president Mr. Councilman President Mr. Councilman President I'm getting we're getting a little official here or Miz whichever. Oh yeah. All right. I'm a mister just to
let everybody know. Um I'm not in favor of this resolution. Uh, I think in the past couple years, uh, we've had a pending need growing, not along with just the Wrangler infrastructure that I spoke about before, but we have a growing need for a
school and we're going to put 7,000 roughly units. I'm going to defer to Councilwoman Fischer's numbers. Uh, she did the counting. 6,000 7,000 somewhere in there. New units. Rough a 10% number. That means 700 more students.
Where the hell are we going to put them? We sit up here and we vote for parks up here very easily because they're easy for votes. They're easy for uh the pretty things that we get, but we tend to ignore the tough ones. Uh 800 Monroe,
barring an environmental study, would be a perfect place for a school. A school is about 700 square ft or $700 a square foot. So a 50,000 uh size school could be 35 million there. I mean we have to
think bigger. Everybody sits up here and talks about we care about other things. We're we're neglecting a huge need that we're going to have here and yet we just bond and bond and bond for parks left and right and we ignore the things that are staring us in our face and we blame
someone else for it. Whereas there's a potential opportunity here that we could work with the HBOE to use 800 Maro. Now all this work has been done. A lot of it was done before me. However, when I look at these bonds and with the pending need that's going to come and with space not
available, we have to start thinking bigger here. The park is great. I get it. We've got 30 43 of them 38 43 of them now. We need to help find funding spaces for schools and this would be a great opportunity. Hell, we could even put in a maritime park. Who knows? Be a
great view. Something great there. But at the end of the day, we sit up here and we don't think about the tough decisions that we have to make to help another part of our community. Whether the board of education hits us with a tax or we tax the public, it's
the same thing essentially, but it's just just helping each other. So, I'm not in favor of this. I think we need to be more I think we need to be bold and think about our children of the future in a high school. Not a high school, sorry, a school, a grammar school of some sort because that's going to be the
pending need coming up. Um, so that's why I'm not in a favorite and I really hope my colleagues up here tonight start thinking bigger and especially some of the mayoral candidates, you all say you're for schools, but yet there's an opportunity staring us in the face here
and we're going to put a park there. That's all I have to say. Thank you, Councilman. Mr. Fina, please call the vote. Mr. Con? I. M. Fischer, yes. Mrs. Jabore,
yes. President, no. Mr. Cano, I. Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo I President Doyle I uh resolutions
F1 resolution to adopt the CY 2025 budget. Uh do you have a signup sheet over there? Jerry, if I could hand this to you. Thank you.
Um, Manny, you didn't in indicate anything that you wanted to speak on, but on Okay. Um, we're going to F1. All right. So, no members of the public have signed up to
speak. I actually I apologize, Alyssa. There should be a separate sign signup sheet just for the budget. Yeah, but we already went through that. Never never mind. I apologize. It's just us now. Okay. So, um,
Mr. Bina, any anybody want to discuss this? C, if I may, Council So, yes, you certainly may. Director, what was the um the debt service for this budget, if you don't mind?
Neighborhood of 17 million. 17 million. What's the projected debt service for next year's budget? I think we add another 2 million to that debt service. So it goes up to 19 million. I feel like a broken record. I say this every year. I mean, it's year in year
out. We continue to do it. There's no real plan to fix it. In our amendment, we actually increase that liability. It's just honestly it's it's um
you become speechless after a while when you say it so many times. But I understand it falls on deaf ears at at points. But that's all I had. I appreciate it. Thank you, Councilman. Councilman Canera. Uh, thank you, Council President. Um, I
made these comments last time, but I wanted to kind of reiterate because I did struggle with this vote. Um, I recognize the comments of the past BA and and I thank the current BA for his memo, uh, which paints a dire picture for next year and a lot of that is
because of, um, our surpluses that we're going to be, uh, you know, tapping into. Um, what I find interesting though is is, you know, we have to remember what it is we're voting on here and what a tax levy is.
Um, tax levy is a tax levy isn't some, you know, ill gotten booty or treasure that we're stealing from the citizens of Hoboken. This is what it costs to run the city. We have a lot of things, a lot of services. We have police, fire, uh parks, um infrastructure improvements.
The borrowing that we do is to go to those in infrastructure improvements and other things, long-term uh improvements. You know, Councilman President Sano wants us to think big, you know, and and I I thought about speaking in the last one, but you know, the fact that 800
Monroe is a resiliency park, that is thinking big. You know, if we said no to all these parks years ago, we'd, you know, with all these past rainstorms, we'd be underwater still, but that water was gone within hours. I was actually driving in central Jersey during one of
them, I almost got caught and kind of floated away in my car, and I was thinking if I was in Hoboken, this wouldn't be happening right now. So, um, you know, I'm voting yes today. Uh because while
we are going to be in a tr tricky situation for next year, even with this this us retaining us passing a budget, us doing the adult thing keeps us in control over that destiny, over what we're going to do for next year. If we didn't do it, if we stay in in in a in a
uh a position where we can't decide what's going on, the state's going to come take over and and force the issue on us. So, I'm voting yes because this keep gives us the control that we need that we want and uh I hope the rest of my colleagues do the same.
Thank you, Councilman Councilman Fischer. I love the look. Thanks, Jim. Um the uh an admiring look. I uh listen, it's uh you know, again, my
favorite phrase, two things can be true at the same time. Um what I think Councilman Russo said is we've we've literally bonded a lot. We've seen our debt go up uh dramatically. Um but what Councilman
Quantero just said is yeah because we're investing in our city. We've acquired um we've acquired parks. We've made massive infrastructure investments. The Northwest Resiliency Park, we probably spent 40 million there just on the the part that's underground. um the things
that are long-term investments in our community, they do cost money. And um you know, this is uh I I think we probably should have had more transparency and more forecasting
when we were approving these every step of the way. But here we are. We have promises to our community. So, while I agree we have a space conraint constraint in um in Hoboken and you know we're losing the opportunity to identify
places for schools, a rec center, you know, etc. Um we made some uh commitments to our community publicly. We've gone through planning processes as it related to um the last couple parks. So that's why I supported it knowing that those costs were going to feel 5
years from now when they finally get built and you know are completed. So um next year is definitely going to be a difficult year. Um to some degree every single uh every single proposal that was submitted has an element of kicking the
can into next year. we're all just holding our breath and and um and we're going to get into next year and it's going to be a lot of really difficult uh difficult decisions. So, um, you know, the one thing I do want to say just to Councilman Russo,
uh, and I'm not trying to be too antagonistic, maybe a little, but, um, the, uh, no, it just he just voted he just voted for 36 million in bonding, and then his very next comment was, "We've been bonding for this long, and
debt service is a problem." So, like it's uh I think we just all have to own up to what our votes have been for last, you know, last several years, you know, I think especially those that are running for mayor when we go back and we're all looking at prior votes. You know what? We had almost unanimous votes
on every major project in Hoboken, right? Every major investment. You know, Mike, Ruben, Emily, and I, we were all there because these are important projects for our community. Um we have you know we have not had we've made cuts
every step of the way um and which has been very helpful to members of our community and we tried to make the same kind of cuts this year uh to you know recognizing that affordability is a top issue in every conversation that we have
um and you know next year we have an opportunity I think to have a fresh look at things uh with the new mayor. Um, so you know, to Councilman Cano's point, we can hand the reigns to the state and let them put through major tax increases
this year or we can keep it, vote on it, and work together to try and figure out how to have a, you know, how to have a more reasonable outcome next year. So, I hope everyone does vote um for this tonight. And the last thing I'll say is before all the people that do vote no or
may vote no, um you know, the proposals between the the few of us that put proposals in weren't that different. So this is uh you know, literally not that different. Um so anyone who's voting no tonight hopefully is voting no uh not on
the dollar amount, but just on a general principle that they want to have the state take over because that's really what a no vote means. So with that, I'll I vote yes. Council Councilman President Zano first and then I'll I'll defer to I'll defer to Council Russo.
Okay. Council Rouso. Thank you. I appreciate it. Um just want to make the point when I vote on things like bonds. It's because those are the priorities that I see for this city. I don't vote on bonding for the or I don't vote on contracts for
things that I don't think are priorities. I don't vote on line items or I suggest cuts in line items because I don't think we should have the topheavy staffing that we do in the city of Hoboken. Those are the things that I continually say. Those are the things
that I will continue to do and those are the and those are the ways that I will govern the city when I am the mayor. That's the point. The point is the priorities need to be fleshed out. It can't be everything all the time. So when I vote on a bond because we are
building a resiliency park, that's the right thing to do for our residents. When I propose spending cuts because I think we're topheavy in our director's positions, that's why I propose those cuts.
Those are cuts. Those are priorities. I make my priorities very clear. I will always make my priorities very clear. And that's the way I will vote. Council President, uh, Councilman Ramos,
President Zano, Cohen. Thank you, Council President. All at the same time. All right. So, here we go. Eddie, sorry, Ruben. Yeah. Uh, voting no on this budget is not asking for a state takeover. There
were some more opportunities to lower it a little bit more. Uh, all of my votes, whether it be bonding or not bonding, reflect priorities that I have, that our cities has, but I have other votes that bring in revenue that we vote on that
other council members vote no to bring in that revenue, whether it's redevelopment projects or other means. So, my yes votes also do reflect other votes to bring in revenue where other council members don't support a lot of the time. So, it's a balance that we
have to strike. I thought there were opportunities to do a little bit better and I think uh the residents of Hoboken deserve a little bit better where you know we're not going to put our our heads in the sand and just say you know we have five votes to pass it when we
can do better. We have an obligation to try and do better to try and communicate better. So a vote no is not asking for a state takeover. uh a vote no is saying there's an opportunity for us to
negotiate and continue to do better with the opportunities that we do have before us. When I spoke to director uh Stratton about this, right? We had a conversation, you said it'll make things a little bit tighter, but they're possible. Correct. Right. It's tighter but possible. We could work towards it.
But yet we neglected to work possible to better to work towards that effect that we had conversations about. So heads were not stuck in the sand. A no vote isn't just a political vote because I was be I was here for other state takeovers where it was grandstad taking place during that time. My votes are
always responsible and reflect what the needs of my priorities are for our residents, what I believe they see fit. So when I vote for a bonding uh referendum that that's the right thing to do, but I also know I have votes to pay for those bonds, right? Whether it's through the IE bank that I helped get
funding for when I was in the state legislature. So I know the work I've done to reflect the votes of my priorities. Thank you, Council President. Thank you, Councilman Ramos. Councilman President Zano. Thank you. I think when I sat in the in the audience and
came and spoke at the microphone a few times or even on Zoom calls, CO should have been a wakeup call. It's when we lost our revenue coming in from the parking garages and put us in dire straits and we had a hole plugged of 26 million from the state and federal
government at that time. It's water under the bridge, but the previous business administrator should have tightened the belt. And I said that several times, tighten the belt and figure out where we can cut things and start there. That didn't happen.
So now we find ourselves here on this budget. I'm also one that believes that if we're going to push certain types of agendas, then we should actually put our money where our mouth is. If we're going to
sue Exxon Mobile, well then guess what? We should put everybody on bikes that works for the city. We should be putting them in cars. Let's put our if we're going to put our priorities there, what do we need gas for then? Why are we spending money for gas? We're fueling Exon Mobile. I mean,
we talk out of both sides of our mouth up here. So, if the agenda is to be green, none of our cars should use gas, right? So, I cut the gas budget. Unfortunately, that was spent before this budget could even get here. But I think the biggest
thing on these budgets are and whoever wins this mayoral election and chooses a next business administrator. This stuff has to be maybe maybe it is you Caleb. I don't know. But that's the discretion of the mayor. I don't know.
Up to them. However, I think nothing against I actually enjoy working with you. And Caleb, by the way, Caleb has been extremely a standup uh individual during this whole process. very much refreshing and I I I'm happy that he that the mayor
selected him. But we're in September basically and we're passing a budget. We already spent the money 9 months in the state of New Jersey. They start in October of this year for next year so they can get it by February. I know
there are some things that they have to submit it to the state by, I don't know, by March 31st and we get it by April, but I mean, this is backwards. We're in September and we're deciding on how we're going to fund the city and we're living on appropriations. It doesn't work. It's not supposed to work this
way. So, this should be taken care of in the first quarter of the year, over and done with, finished, and we can get to the big priorities of the town. But every year, this is the second year in a row. September, we're passing a budget. Some other years, we passed it sooner.
But I don't know what the problem is. Now, yes, there is a small difference between what Councilman Ramos and myself have put forward. Uh, yes, the surplus and the reserves were rated, but they were rated a little bit more, and I'm not happy about that. And there was some
funny accounting that's gone on as well of saying, "Oh, we're going to get more money here, we're going to get more money there." Um, you know, kind of the goalpost moved a little bit from what I was told from the old business administrator to the new one. I I the old business administrator seemed to
move the goalpost a lot. Um, that said, I'm voting no on this because we just had the administration has not done their job well. If we find ourselves in a hole, that means eight years. For eight years under the leadership of this administration and many that have supported him, the
mayor have put us in these dire straits, this fiscal cliff that uh the outgoing business administrator told us. So what happened? Suddenly, we just realized this after eight years that oh no, guess what? We're going to fall off the cliff.
What happened? Everybody else sleeping at the wheel for the past eight years. So this is just yeah it's my soap box now to talk about this but when we cuts last year I put forth the same thing detailed this year
same thing detailed and while we got some of them we also cut in areas like the housing department the the the rent office we're cutting 100 grand from them. Uh, didn't we all
just stand up here and say rent control, rent control, rent control? Help me out here, guys. We cut from an important thing. I didn't touch public safety because I know that's a priority right now. When our cuts, we didn't touch the housing department, but yet we
we took 100k from them. I don't get it. I mean, that's potentially another person. They have to do the lead inspections. Hopefully with rent control things can we can get more people registered. There's they're hurting for people, but yet we just all voted on this and that we're
cutting 100 grand. So anybody votes yes tonight, you're cutting from salary that you're still cutting from the office. So needs that they have. So at the end of the day, I don't understand some of the cuts. When you look at a budget, you look at the the important
things that you need to take care of today and things that I cut that I put forward on it, which by the way, only a few of you have commented. Several people have just been moot the whole time on this, which which really drives me bad. You know what? Um, so at the end
of the day, I'm voting no because we're not doing our job up here. We're not I don't think we're doing enough for the taxpayers. I think yes, getting to a physical cliff. There's many of you guys that sat up here before me that haven't said boo. We talk more about a swing in
a park than we have the budget in the past eight years. We can do better, guys. We can do better. Thank you, Council President. Uh first, I want to thank the members of the finance committee uh for their time. I
want to thank the my colleagues who proposed uh making amendments to the budget. Uh there was only one amendment that had the support of enough colleagues that made it to the state for a proposal
which was approved by the state and that's what we're going to be voting on tonight. Uh people in Hoboken expect a lot uh they expect a lot from us as council members. They expect a lot from people in city hall. Uh, they want their streets clean. They want their garbage
collected. They want their streets safe. They want their parks maintained. They want the city to be resilient for the long haul. We who live through Supertorm Sandy know what that's like and know how fortunate we were to win the Rebuild by Design competition and
then to to build it. uh the things that we've been investing in through bonds this year alone. Repairing the seaw wall that's been there for almost a century uh that was crumbling below our waterfront which we all cherish had to
be fixed, had to be done. Northwest Resiliency Park, I'm hearing good things about it today. I've heard other people say less than good things about it in the past, has transformed Northwest Hoboken. transformed it a a neighborhood where every car that was parked in 2012
and October 30th, 2012 uh in in the garages in the buildings over on Jefferson and Madison uh Grand uh had their engines uh hit by Hudson seawater, Hudson Hudson River water and
all those cars were totaled. People were out of their homes for a week. There was no power. That's not happening anymore. Councilman Cano referred to the fact that we are a much more resilient city. Uh the work that we're doing now with respect to North Resiliency Park that's
going on to attach flood pumps to get the water that's being collected, the millions of gallons to get it out and to uh to have that park work to its optimum uh capacity, that's happening now. All the construction that's going on in Northwest Hoboken, this council, this
administration, where nothing was going on in Northwest Hoboken for a generation, where nothing was happening over at the the railard with Elor. It's happening now. Nothing was happening for a generation. We're getting real affordable housing. We're getting real
new development. And all that requires the work of a very small team in city hall that work really hard for the people of Hobok. really hard. So when I hear about cuts, I think, you know, listen, it's great to find places to have cuts. But we've seen when the
federal government makes random cuts where wonderful people who are dedicated public servants lose their jobs. We've seen it. I mean, we've seen the people just escorted out of office buildings. Our government workers are valued people. They work hard. They're
accountable for what they do. And when we don't get the answers we want, we get answers. and they give them answers. We get the answers and so do the people who I represent who email me seven days a week, 365 days a year and I forward those requests and those requests are answered and when they're not answered
and I ping them, I get the answer. People are not hiding in city hall. They're working. They're working hard. And in order to have a a government that's responsive, when you have a bunch of people Holy shaking his head, no Holy They work hard. when when when when when
you have high expectations, when you're proud of the fact that your city is on the cutting edge of really important things like resiliency, having the largest resiliency park in the state, winning the the uh federal rebuilt by design project and building that, having
no pedestrian deaths in the last eight years because we've invested in infrastructure to have safe streets, okay? Investing in Rebuild by Design so that we're never going to experience all of our business. We talk about helping our businesses, our mom and pop businesses. How do we help our businesses when they're flooded and their inventory is sitting out on the
street? That's what was happening in 2012. It's not going to happen because we've are all of us, all nine of us and everyone who's working in city hall is committed to getting that done. There's a cost associated with that. Yes, we can get grants. Yes, we can get supports to
to different We heard from director Gonzalez tonight about how Maritime Park and Southwest Resiliency Park were not bonding as much as it costs because we've gotten significant amount of grants and other supports that requires work, too. You have to apply for those grants. You have to get that extra
funding and they do that really well. So, what I would say is while this is a compromise uh budget that I'm going to be supporting tonight, uh it is it is I regret that it is not fully funding the operations of the city and I regret that
it's not fully funding the surplus to the extent that it should be. I think that's I get it. It's an election year and people want to say that they've saved the taxpayers money and I respect that. I understand that is a difficult thing to say that we need to charge
people what it costs to run this city and it's not what we're voting on tonight. It's it's just the sad truth. It may feel like it's a it's a significant tax increase and I'm nothing denying it, but in my opinion it's not adequate to cover what we need. and the
people of Hoboken understand that in order to get excellence and quality in every aspect of of municipal civic life, there's a price that's attached to that. Whether it's public safety, whether it's our fire department, they deserve to be compensated fairly. And if their
contract is more than 4.5% and we agree to that and we vote on that and we have a 4.5% tax increase, you know, is the money going to come from the sky? It's gonna have to come from somewhere. So if we're Excuse me, Pat.
Excuse me, Pat. Excuse me, Pat. Patricia, please. If we want to have if we want to pay our public servants fairly, which I think we all believe in, if we want to support
union uh negotiations and union contracts, and I think we do, then we should have the will to pay and and charge our taxpayers for what the contracts support. So, that's I I think it's
common sense. I think it's, you know, I think, you know, maybe it's it's a hard thing to do, but I would like to see our next mayor and the next administration come in with more realistic numbers, even if they may be politically unpopular. Thank you, Council Rosen.
Thank you, Council Cohen. Uh, Councilwoman Jabbor, uh, I I want to remind all of us up here that this is our budget. It's not the
administration's budget and I think some of the comments tonight reflect a complete misunderstanding of this process. The administration proposed an initial budget which was indicated and discussed earlier that came in at about 7% or so. And then through the process
of having negotiations and conversations and compromise, we ended up landing with an amendment that has the municipal rate at a 4.5% increase. which means the aggregate for residents is landing at about 2% or so.
Um, this is a reflection of a political process, not a policydriven process because people want to make sure that they are giving you the lowest rate possible. I said the exact same thing
last year. This is about scoring brownie points when it comes to politics. I'm very clear on that. But there is also the reality that we have to land somewhere to get five votes, right? That's the conversation. Five of us have to agree on a budget and that is what
moves forward. I know this because in past years I've served as the chair of the finance subcommittee. I know the conversations and where it ends up most years is talking about how much of the surplus we're going to end up using to try and get to a number that people feel good about. And so this year that number
was 4 and a.5%. I don't think that that reflects anything other than the politics of that situation. This is not the administration's fault. This is the process every single year and this is my eighth year up here. And every single year, this council has a negotiation
about where we're going to land and what feels comfortable in the given environment. And sometimes there's a political campaign going on and sometimes there isn't. But everyone wants to score the brownie points of having the lowest tax levy possible. I get it. But you can't vote on contracts and then
complain about the cost. And you can't vote to support bonds and then complain about the debt service. And you can't create this manufactured crisis around needs for more and more and more services and not be willing to pay for
it. That's reality. And if you're going to sit up here and you're going to demand all of these things, you have to be willing to pay for it. So, this is our budget and it reflects our politics. Very clear on that. And I want to make sure everyone
up here is clear on that. Finally, it bears correction. We didn't all say supporting rent control. Not all of us did. And I know that my friends in this room know that. Only some of us. Thank you, Council President.
Thank you, Councilwoman. Uh, Council President. No. No. That's not fair. That's not fair. Councilman Russo got a reply. Councilwoman Jabor, maybe you just basically said if you're elected mayor, you're going to raise the taxes. That's what you just said. So that's fine. And
as far as you want to throw some darts at people, I can do that, too. Everything up here that we had to vote on for rent control, I voted yes. And yes, you're speaking about me. This is ridiculous. Talk about politics for Well, no, no, no. That's I
I can tell you to stop, please. I want my I'm going to keep talking. The bottom line is for 8 years you sat up here and followed the mayor's budget through. So don't sit here and get on a soap box. You're not safe up here just as I went after Councilman Russo.
That that is garbage. It's our budget. Yeah, we passed that. But guess what? Who gives us the numbers? And by the way, those numbers are creative writing. I'm finding out there's things that I was told years before that couldn't be done like the collection of taxes. Oh no, we had to
have 3.1 million that had to be held back because a 95% of a collection rate where all of a sudden this year under the the previous business administrator said we can have 99%. So there's a lot of funny stuff going on here. Don't don't play that game and saying it's
politics. When is it politics when you're talking about somebody's wallet? There's no politics there. It's about cutting. It's about doing the right things. And yes, if we vote for crazy contracts, the people are going to pay for it. And if
we vote for crazy bonds, the people are going to pay for it. However, those decisions are what each of us make. But sitting on this council since I've been here, I've looked at the waste that sits there and we can cut things. And as I was called before about cutting pencils,
it starts with cutting the number of pencils. Thank you, C. Well, I don't thank you because I asked you politely, but anyway, I appreciate I appreciate the and council I will I will end this
by saying Councilwoman Fischer, just a quick thing. Excuse me. Just a quick thing. No, please please please no. All I want to say is not going to thank you when you're done, though. I I apologize to you if if you thought I
made a facial expression earlier. And I want to thank you for your work, responsible, mature approach to coming to an amendment so we
could get over this hill. So, Mr. Fina, please call the vote. Mr. Con, I Mr. Fisher, yes. Mr. Jabor, yes. President Xano, no. Mr. Cano, I Mr. Ramos, no.
No. Mr. Russo, no. President Do I. Budgets adopted for 2025. Thank you. F2. We don't need F2. And we're off to the consent agenda. I
before we get there, uh, director um, Stratton, I just I apologize not asking this earlier, but in the payroll, you have three payroll reports,
the 9th of July, the 23rd of July, and the 23rd of August. There seems to be one missing. They were all missing. And I'm not sure that 23rd of July to 23rd of August is 30 days. August 6th.
8. Oh, this. So, the 23rd should be the 6th of August. Okay. Could be a typo. I can take a look. No, that's fine. It's just a typo. And um Thank you. Um All right, council members. With regard to
I well I guess we'll go to Manuel Rivera who wants to he's speak on the descent agenda. So you'll have seven minutes. Council President, you said 15 minutes. Take it.
You have until Thursday. Just joking. Council President, I'll be quick because I know everybody wants to speak on public portion, but there are a couple of things here in the agenda in the consent agenda. Again, just for members of the public, the the agenda is full impact. There are many um questions
in regards to um this agenda. So, uh I'm going to be quick. I'm going to skip administration which R2 A1 A2 but I want to say in climate action innovation CA2 can members of the public have further information in regards to this
inspection is the uh funds that are being allocated just for an inspection and is it of the complete waterfront uh structures everything that is on the waterfront uh end to end uh members of
the public would appreciate uh the information or is there other ways that you are going to then fix whatever the inspection shows that it is
uh in need of repair. Uh, also I'm just going to say CA3, CA88, CA88. Um, again the funds that are being allocated on this one, even though again it was already funded by B62,
but um I guess what what is going to happen in the the Midtown garage? Can you explain that or give members of the public a better uh understanding again on CA13 and CA14 and CA15 these sinkholes uh
council president can members of the public know that money was already um allocated and uh the work paid for this evening you are just uh uh basically writing the check is what I wanted to ask the question again I could continue
on and on but I'll just go to CD13 again uh monies again to be you would someone was member of the council was just mentioning uh rents and rent leveling and then anything having to do with the
rent control. Uh we can perhaps check what we're paying and how we're paying it. Again, we also know that it's being allocated. Uh council president uh I will then move on to my last thing here if I can find it.
Here we go. uh in transportation and parking. Council president, can members of the public understand um when there is an auction, and I've asked this a couple of times, but I don't believe I ever gotten an answer. And I look back at the meetings. Um when there is an
auction for these vehicles, what is the cost effectiveness, if that is such a word? We we are funding 94,000. Would members of the public ever find
information as to what is the benefit? What is the cost benefit? How how many cars do we sell that we can get $94,000 back or any other revenue back from that council president? And uh yeah, I have further things, but I will leave it at
that and I will yield the floor. Thank you, Council President. Thank you, Mr. Rivera Solair. No other members of the public have signed up to speak. Motion to close public portion. There a second. Second. All those in favor?
I um I would say Mr. Riveraire that the administration does go through a great de puts forth a great deal of
effort to document what we have here on the agenda. This week's this meeting's portal has 1,019 pages and those the compilation of that of that
documentation is so that the public the members of the public who want to know can look at that and get answers. And so I I I don't know you've asked many many questions. I you know the abandoned
bicycles are abandoned. They cost nothing. We sell them for whatever we get. The auctioneer gets a cut of what we sell and the vehicles that are city vehicles that are outdated. I don't know what,
you know, what our what the value is, but whether it's a a lose-lose, but we're just getting rid of abandoned property or or expiring property. It is. Well, yeah, if we get a lose lose, it gets rid of
It's actually a lose. We asked that. Exactly. Well, we have to I I We don't have a choice. It's 94,000 and there's 17,000 in the resolution. But either that or we could just leave them on the side of the road. I mean, uh, yeah. Director Stratton, do you want to
part of the reason why it's so expensive is that when we take custody of a vehicle through a tow, we have to track down the owner of that vehicle and that we have to pay for research contact. These are state required and mandated expenses uh that are extremely time
consuming and um difficult to implement. So that's the portion of the reason why that contract is so much money. Thank you. Um do you know when this spike there was not I did not find a
date is I assume it's online period not a specific day but um I don't know if we have a date established for the auction. We're happy to provide new. Okay. Um All right. So, members of the council want to
pull some items or not? Y CA8. What did you say, Mike? CA8. Yeah. CA2, CA5, CA11,
CL2, T3, T4. Slow down, slow down. What? I'm keeping up, don't you? I lost you at CA11. You lost me at hello. Just say what you're not. Uh, I CA5,
CA8, CA11, CL2, not CC4, T3, T4, T3, T4, uh, CC4 as well.
Is that it? No, I'm serious. You're done. Okay. Well, uh, almost got mad. Uh, anyone else? Give me one second. One second. You You got it.
Okay. Repeat them again. Well, you got it. Would you really like I'll do it. Yeah. CA2, CA5, CA8, CA11, CC4, CL2,
T3, T4. Yep. Everything else? Mr. Fina. Mr. Con. Hi. M. Fisher. Yes. Mrs. Yabore. Yes. President Dano. Hi. Mr. Canero.
Hi. Mr. Ramos. Hi. Mr. Russo. Hi. President Doyle. Hi. So, we'll start at the top if it's alphabetical with CA2. Now, this is a resolution awarding a
professional service contract to Kier's Engineering and Design in the amount of $256,575 to perform a comprehensive inspection of Hoboken's waterfront structures funded by B735. Councilman President.
Yes. So, uh, Director Weber, I know we spoke about when we did the walkth through on the on Sinatra Drive. Um, you I had said if we talked about this that if there's if they're doing the inspection on the waterfront, if there's anything that has
to be done, uh, upon that inspection, would it have impact where big trucks or machinery has to come in and mess up our freshly new pave job? Um, I was wondering if you got any answers back on that. I I know that's why I pulled this because it was something we discussed
this week when we did the walkth through. My concern is that we bond to do the Kimley Horn piece and then all of a sudden they find a huge project on the seaw wall with the inspection and then we have to do mitigation there and then
suddenly we've got big trucks coming in and we're ripping up the fresh job we just did. So I don't know. I mean it's both of you guys but do we have any clue? Maybe you can get back to me on that. That's more of a question. Is it easier just to come back to me on it? Yeah, that's fine. Now, yeah, whatever
you want. But that's the only reason why I pulled it was I I didn't have a chance to get back to you, director. I've been tied up with some family stuff. But, uh, I want to make sure that we're not going to start a project, rip up the, you know, rip everything up, and then suddenly we're going to have to come back in and replace it. That's my only
concern. Okay, that's easy. Thank you, Mr. Freda. CA2 Mr. Con. I Miss Fischer. Yes. Mrs. Jabbor. Yes. President Zano. Hi, Mr. Cano. Hi, Mr. Ramos.
Hi, Mr. Russo. Hi, President Doyle. I CA5, a resolution amending the city's contract with Simpson and Brown for the emergency rehabilitation of Frank Sinatra Drive, Seaw Wall, block 259, lot two in the
increased amount of $468,559.96 for a 2.97% increase from the original contract amount funded by B3735. Uh, director, I if you can let me know on this one. I'm just curious, uh, you know, another 3% increase. I'm always a
stickler on this. I always will be as long as I sit up here. The increase in contracts we give out every single time. I just want to know what this is for. So, all of the reasons for the proposed change order are outlined in the resolution line by line, item by item, but I will read to you here. Um, so
there was additional unsuitable fill that was discovered during construction that will require the need for additional quantities beyond those that were originally anticipated in the bid. Um, as well as additional um at an additional cost of 151,241. We did have to make some modifications
to the temporary traffic control plans and striping along Sinatra Drive. Um, this was made due to actively monitoring the public safety conditions. Um, that additional cost was 26,000. Additional areas of the new bulkhead will need to be encased by concrete and
those were also due to conditions that you literally couldn't find until you opened them up. Um that's an additional cost of 291,276. This concrete enc casement though will also lengthen the useful life of the bulkhead. So it has an additional benefit. That was something new we when they
opened it they found it. Found Oh yes. And they found a lot of erosion. Yeah. Um and lastly, um we do need additional electrical improvements and ballards that have to be um installed in anticipation of the uh Sonata Drive redesign project. Um so
that to your point prior, we don't rip up an area that was just restored. Um that's an approximately $86,000. So all of those are are described in much further detail in Yeah, I read into I was just more curious on the one with this with the concrete. That was something we found. Yeah. So significant erosion. Yeah.
Okay. I I want that was my big question on that that you know I know that when you dig you find things so that that big number there yeah and we did extensive pre-esign analysis and could you still okay find things all right thank you
CA5 Mr. Fina please call a vote Mr. Con I Fiser yes Mr. Bore yes President I Mr. Canero I Mr. Ramos hi Mr. Russo I President Doyle I CA8 a resolution awarding professional
service contract to Greenman Peterson Inc. in the amount of $65,800 to prepare a feasibility study for relocating various public safety offices to the Midtown garage offices funded by B621.
Thank you, Council President. Director, what what offices are we looking to move? I thought it was the city of Hoboka owns the first floor of the uh garage and uh we've had conversations with we own the whole thing. We own the
We do own the very you are very very correct. Um there are needs in both police and fire uh specifically the administrative functions of the fire department and some administration functions of the police department. Uh police department has a trailer outside
their building for locker rooms. Uh we're looking to make modern that space on that first floor so we can accommodate additional public safety. I I appreciate it. You know, I I just wanted to make a comment on this and Councilman Cohen spoke about how
things move forward in the city of Hoboken and and I believe he believes those are the proper things to do at those moments and I think we all do it at various points. But what my suggestion is that
we could actually do things in a different way and potentially even in a better way. This resolution asks the council to vote on $66,000
to do a feasibility study to move offices to the ground floor of the Midtown garage. How about a better way is we move the offices and see if they work and we save
ourselves $66,000 for a study. That's the difference in how I look at a problem and how I propose a solution for that problem.
We don't always have to spend 60,000 or h 100,000 or half a million dollars to do a study when a simple move will tell us if it works or if it
doesn't. That's the difference. There's always more ways to do something. Sometimes you need a study, but then again, sometimes you just don't.
Thank you, Council President. Council President is Fisher is uh I I agree with uh Councilman Russo, but can you maybe tell us why there's if
there's something unique about this, unique needs? I haven't been in this space. Is the space old? Does it have electricity? Like what's the I mean, I read the description at a high level, but I don't know what the space looks like and and whether or not public
safety could even show up there. Oh, here he comes. No, it's good. Like that the acting mayor has arrived. What the? No, but but I mean if it were just basic office and we were moving like your department
if we were if it was just a basic um administrative office and we were moving an administrative department into it. I think it's one thing, but I feel like public safety often has maybe some other needs or maybe there's something unique about the space you can share with us. Yeah. So, I I'll start and I'll defer to to director Franti for any public safety
specific items, but I will tell you that the condition of the office space while acceptable is um divided into several very small uh areas that are not really suitable for frankly most other office uses. We are going to
have to um change some of the layouts. We're going to need to change electrical. We're going to need to change it. We're going to need to change really basically retrofit the space. So there is a space planning component of this. There's a survey component to this, but the the space as configured,
it's not as easy to use as it would seem. Um, and it's very difficult without actually seeing it to describe. Um, as it relates to public safety, I defer to director. Yes. Our deputy director of climate action, RJ Tfeld, myself, uh, Chief Aguard, Chief Peskins, we met uh, we've
done in several site visits. There are about 20 plus small offices that are 10 on one side and north side of the building, 10 on the south. Uh we have looked at it from an all police side of it, an all fire side of it, combination training rooms possibly for both uh
locker rooms, meeting rooms for police, administrative. Remember we are still in 2011 Jefferson Street, which is not ADA compliant when people have to go get uh inspection certificates or reports. So they have to go up two flights of stairs or our fire staff has to come out. So we
looked at it all different ways. We have to look at putting cameras in and basically what is the best way? Should it be all fire? Should it be all police or it should be a combination of? So we've had several meetings and both chiefs have been involved in that also.
So is there a So feasibility study is is a frustrating phrase, right? because it's a lot of money for someone to tell us something that potentially says we may not do it right. So, it sounds like this is a policy decision
by the administration to move administrative offices, which I think we've been talking about moving the fire um office for exactly the reason you mentioned for a long time. Uh we've talked about making changes for the police department because we're growing
and and this seems like uh it might make sense. Um but really it's a cost assessment for space planning and it's a recommendation for what it would cost to do this. Feasibility is probably the incorrect term because someone is going to be
moving there somehow. We just have to figure out how, where, and the logistics of doing so, right? And it is a little more complicated than than it seems. And it's not something that we can do internally. Your statement. Yeah. It's not something that we have the capability of doing internally. We don't have architects. We don't have space
planners, etc. Not no not to do this particular work. Got it. Thanks. And I could definitely that both chiefs definitely have great ideas of what can go there, especially the combination of training for police, fire, OEM, and EMS.
We could also put in there. Councilman President. Yeah. So, so will if we put the lock I I heard you say locker room. So, if we do the locker rooms and the trailer will dis trail will disappear. The trailer has actually has two administrative officers that that's going on right now,
but they would they would transfer down there and that could be it could be all lock the offices that are in that trailer and locker rooms can go down there. If we do a heavier police uh breakdown inside that inside that building because that's what is that 36 a year
for the trailer roughly. I think I think I remember 36. But if this is something where we're going to put and again I'm not really in favor of the word feasibility study. is the first the red flag should have said we're looking to rip out everything. It would have been better for us to comprehend that.
Um but it that's that's words. It is it is what it is. Um for next time. If you're if you're telling me though that we're going to save 36,000 on that trailer that disappears and those offices might relocate down there, that's I think everybody up here would
be able to digest that a little better because that's saving 36,000 of the 66, right? And it's our property. So, it's it's a win for the city. We're actually doing what we're supposed to be, being more efficient. Is that the case? Like, is there like a 55 I'll give you 55% chance that this could happen, or is it
more like 75? I I think that's a design goal of the project would be to to remove that continuating continuous operating expense of the trailer rental. But, uh certainly it depends on the space. It depends on what we can actually fit in
there based on feedback from our public safety professional. Okay. I'll add and also based on determination if police or fire is used there if it's heavier fire or heavy police you may have much more savings than a $36,000. Okay. Like again counter point.
No again I'll make the point again. We're getting the feedback from our public safety officials. They're telling us what we need to put in there. We're Why are we spending $66,000 on a professional to come in so that the
public safety department could tell them what they need and they could say, "Okay, let me let me try to Why are we not Why are this is a construction this is a construction conversation. It's not a it's not a feasibility study conversation. This is
Can we change the title of the No, no, no, no, no, wait, wait. Time out. It's not changing the title. It's a an added layer of trying to figure out what we're going to do with the ground floor of the municipal garage. It's an added layer. If we want to put our
public safety department offices, locker rooms, whatever it may be, get the contractor, go in, put them in there, and move on. So, let me try to alleviate some of these concerns. I don't believe that we can do
that. So there's code compliance, there are HVA system reviews, we have to do plumbing. There's inner relationships between the hospital and that first floor about how the hospital has plumbed into that building, heating, cooling. I don't believe that we have a turnkey
operation. The the the offices themselves have been vacant for a number of years. They're rehabilitated after Hurricane Sandy. The systems themselves are 10, 20, 30 years old. and every floor of the garage above it is going to be designed and rebuilt. And if we have an opportunity to spend money to know
the expense of is this a $2 million retrofit or is this a $200,000 retrofit, we don't want to put our public safety professionals in a position where they are in a space that they can't occupy or it isn't safe or it's not code compliant. Um that's they're running up
against those issues right now in the facilities they're in. So now what? Repeat that. I I say, excuse me. He didn't hear what you said. Our public safety professionals are running into code issues and accessibility issues in the existing
spaces they're in. And the last thing that we want to do is put them in that position again by occupying a space that doesn't serve their needs. It it would be really cool if the city had like an official that understood the code so they wouldn't run into those things, right? like a like a
construction code official. That would make sense, right? The construction code official that the city of Hoboken has goes there and looks at it and he can the red director. I understand what you're saying and I get your point and I'm and I'm sure this is going to pass.
But my point is that there are professionals in the city of Hoboken that we could rely on to do this work to make sure we move the offices and and locker rooms and whatever else we may need to that space without having to go
out and hire a $66,000 contract from someone outside the city of Hoboken when we know we have the professionals here on staff that we pay day in day out. That's the point that I'm making. So, I appreciate your explanation and I appreciate everybody else's explanation.
My point is there are different ways to do things and I think there's times that we need to look at those different ways to do things to save the taxpayers some money. Council, Councilman Cano, uh, thank you, Council President. Um, look, I'm supporting this. I just want
to thank Broader Picture and just point out kind of something. I'm sitting here like grinding my head with the conversation cuz we're going back and forth talking about, you know, smaller items. Yes, it's 65 grand uh for this because we're running out of room in the police station. The the current
facilities won't fit. We put in a uh a trailer because our facilities are no good. Uh we spent, you know, I don't know, a couple million dollars like a year ago to fix the the equipment in in the antiquated fire department. Uh we've had conversations today about where
schools should go if we only thought in the future as to you know how we should plan this stuff. And I just think about three years ago and four years ago when I I had the opportunity through the school district process to actually build a new school which would have yielded a an elementary school that
would probably be live now. We'd have a a middle school in the where the high school is. But but we as a community turned it down for for a lot of good reasons. But there was some future thinking there. We also thought about building a new public safety infrastructure, a new public safety
complex that would have would have had a new police station, new fire station, OEM. You want a pool? It would have had a pool. It would probably be mostly constructed now, but some of us didn't support it. So now we're talking about these tickytacky things that add to our
budget, grind away at this conversation. And look, you know what? We want to do some future thinking. Let's do it. Let's commit to it. Let's let let's actually do it. Some of us have tried in the past and failed. I'm here cuz I'm into it. Let's do it. Let's get this stuff done so we don't have to have this
conversation again every year, every couple of weeks. Like, I'm exhausted by it. So, yeah. You know, there's a lot of soap box going on today. You know, there might be some responses to my comments. Go for it. I had to let it go. No, I'm brief. I'm brief. I don't soap
box. All right, Councilman Ramos. I I I don't soak box, right? Let's let's let's get that. Let's get that. I don't directors. I think you guys are they No. No. I just want to I'm agreeing with you, Joe. Right. So, I'm on a soap box, but but I disagree with you. I'm not a
soap box either. I'm not a soap box guy, but uh I was against the palace. You know, I was against the palace because building that facility in that neighborhood was not the right thing. I thought for Hoboken's future. So, that's why I was against it. But, I'm in favor of exploring this. So, I'm in favor of
of doing this tonight. I want to see it done the right way and the proper way. I understand your your concerns and in doing that, but often times, uh, we've had to we end up costing ourselves more money by not spending this little bit of money
up front. And we've seen that time and time again with parks and overruns and various in various situations throughout. We see the Northwest Resilency Park how those pipes weren't laid properly and they break later on. So I'm I'm in favor of spending a little bit now to do it right later on. I think the the process will be actually
beneficial to all of us to go through it and hopefully make this move permanent in some capacity. So thank you directors. Mr. Fina, please call a vote. Mr. Co, I miss Fischer. Yes. Mrs. Jabore, yes. President,
hi. Mr. Cano, hi. Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo, no. President Doyle. I CA 11 resolution amending the professional services contract with Star White House for design support services
during construction for the Southwest Resiliency Park expansion in the amount of $32,395 funded by B551. Let that one go. We'll just vote on it. What is this president? We're just going to count. We're just going to vote on it. PA1.
Mr. Mr. Mr. Frera, call the vote. Mr. Con, I. Fischer, yes. Mr. Jabor, yes. President, hi. Mr. Cano, hi. Mr. Ramos, I. Mr. Russo, I. President Doyle. Hi. I did want to make a comment, Joe. Jim, honestly.
Oh, I actually just uh don't get on the soap box. No, no, no. I don't do soap boxes. I I speak in fact or or my wonderful opinion. Uh, Director Gonzalez, we've had a wonderful conversation the last couple of weeks with an open date to Southwest Resilency Park. Can we get a
little more uh clarity towards that? I know many many people are very very eager. Is that in the agenda? This is new business for council member. No, it's not. It's on the agenda. Go ahead. This is Southwest Park1. Um, yep. Jim, I no soap box, Jim. I speak to
facts. Truth to power, my friend. Your megaphone, Councilman. We are still targeting Labor Day. Um we are working as expeditiously as possible. As you can probably see, safety surfaces in the planting is happening. Uh the sport coat um uh
coating is is happening. So we're we're moving fast and furious. Yep. I I appreciate that. I know a lot of I visit the site uh daily, not not not every day, but definitely weekly, and we have conversations with the contractor there. Uh, and it's great to
see it's $2 million under budget so we re reallocate those funds and other to the other to Church Turt Square Park as well. So, I'm appreciative of your efforts there, but I'll be more appreciative it's over by Labor Day as we promised. Certainly try. Can Thank you. Council President.
Yes, Councilwoman. Can you give an update on the Sinatra Drive opening? No, it's on the agenda. It was the bonds, but I didn't ask. The change order. What What items? No. The When do we think it's going to
open up to the public? The bulkhead. I would have to get back to you with an update on that one because I I don't actually Okay. know off the top of my head, but uh we were aiming for fall for that one. Um I can get you a more specific answer. Great. Thanks. That one's in two weeks. I have a very good date on that.
Thank you. Call the vote. Mr. Fina, what we already did? We already voted. The next Oh, we're on to Okay. CC4. What was that? Yeah. CC4, uh, resolution amending the professional service contract with Antonelli Caner Rivera,
uh, PC for special counsel general litigation in the increased amount of $15,000 for a new total contract amount of $18,000. That would be Councilman Preszano, I believe. They're all mine now. What uh jumped in at CA? I mean, I don't know
what you can say on it, but what is this for? Uh, they represent the city in a a handful of litigation. So, this is general litigation. Um, I can send you an email on the specifics and give you an update if you want on what this exactly refers to, like which piece of litigation.
Is any of it relating to the fire chief crims? I don't think they work on that matter. So, I thought they did. No. Who works on it? Uh uh Weiner Weiner does. Okay. Okay. I mean, yeah, we can try it.
Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, Mr. Pina, too, I think. Please call a vote. Mr. Con, I fiser. Yes. Mrs. Jabor, yes. President, I. Mr. Cano, hi. Mr. Ramos,
hi. Mr. Russo, hi. President Doyle I CL2 a resolution endorsing a change in New York state's legislation to permit the operation of automated
traffic I say New York New Jersey uh traffic enforcement camera by the New York no New Jersey municipalities so I had a question on this one um and this goes back to I think what I discussed with the director and the
council's president is like we get the agenda and if you have some things that come up in your life, you don't have the ability to get to everything of this of you know a thousand pages reading through one but two getting to get everybody and talk to them. So you know we come to the council meeting all of us
are here together uh and I have a couple uh well not a question so much but I know that this is a state bill. Um most urban areas now are suffering some issues that I think with red lights uh along those lines as well. Uh and it's
not just fourw wheeled vehicles, it's two- wheeled electric uh commercial delivery. Um, and so if we're going to have if we're going to support something with cameras that's going to automatically give you tickets uh for if
you're driving a car, I'm looking at not not um the recreational biker or the person going to work. I'm looking at the commercial del e delivery that blowth
through red lights on a given basis in hobok and and that we know of and that we all observe. So I wanted to make a motion to um amend the uh resolution and I I can I'll hand out what I would want
to do. Um that I've added eight and nine uh with two things. one um that in the the idea of safety uh one that we look at e delivery and then number nine is to encourage then e delivery had to only
way you can do it is if they have license plates or some type of identification on them so if we're going to go where we want a supportive resolution I think we should take it a step further for the safety especially in urban areas rural areas don't have the e delivery problem so I am asking
that if we're going to asked us in good faith to tell them, but we support it, but we also support getting a little bit more uh uh to increase the safety to include commercial e delivery bikes. So, I'd like to make a motion to add this. As sponsor of the resolution, could I
respond first to your comments? I think that would be helpful. Um so, this is a spirit resolution. Uh it is not binding. We pass spirit resolutions regularly with respect to um our wishes and desires in the universe. Um but this is actually part of a larger
effort. Um Jersey City passed a similar spirit resolution two weeks ago I believe. Um and this is actually the existing language is based on the legislation that is in the process of being crafted by our um state senator Raj Mukerji. So, I would encourage you
to reach out to him and potentially put your feedback into the actual legislation rather than this spirit resolution. Um, additionally, you can always reach out as a sponsor. I would welcome your feedback, but I didn't hear
from you. Um, but this is a lovely typed uh amendment I see. But in order to be consistent with the spirit of the existing res resolution, which I also ran by Senator Mukerji, I would rather keep the resolution as is and have you just reached out as a separate channel out of respect for what he's crafting.
Okay. I'd still like to make a motion to change it. If I was there a second, I'll go after you. Go ahead. You Yeah, I what what I was going to say is um so I think the background is helpful. I
think the um you know what we can do is just have two of these if we want. I mean I I talked to Paul late this afternoon on this um cuz I saw it too and of course I think most people feel like we're we're hearing about it that
we would like to do people ask all the time why why don't we have cameras on stop signs? Why don't we have cameras at traffic lights? And for everyone's benefit the state law doesn't allow it. And so, um, Senator Mccerie is looking to put, and it's been very controversial
in the past, um, about getting this, um, approved. So, he is putting up a piece of legislation, but I think, you know, when I saw this, I thought this is great, but we know that the big issue that we have in Hoboken is is not just
um the uh cars. Um, it is it is commercial ebikes. And all this does is say kind of re represent the issues that we actually have in Hoboken. Um and and it doesn't say specifically
that it would capture all of the um the ebikes today. It is reliant upon the ebike. the state also passing legislation to require certain commercial um ebikes to actually have uh
license plates and registration, which is another kind of hot potato at the the state level that's gone back and forth. So, I I actually think this just took what um Councilwoman Jabbor um and Councilman Cano did, which I'm grateful that they put it on there, and just kind
of expanded it to say these are really the issues for Hoboken and and um and I don't think this takes away from Senator McCie's efforts. I think it just adds to our advocacy as a city council, you know, to uh to our state senator saying
these are very specific issues for our community that we would like to advocate for. So, I'm I'm good with this. Um, I mean, we could do theoretically just do two separate resolutions, but not tonight because of the but I don't council.
Well, there is a motion that has not been seconded. I don't know. I Yeah, I ju I just have a question. I mean, it it is a it's a spirit resolution, right? I I like that term, by the way. Um, Emily coined it a few years ago. Did you? And I loved it. Yep. She did.
It's inspirational. It represents the spirit. I like give give the credit to Richie Delbachio. Ruben said who Delbato did. Anyway, the point the point being that if it is just that, right? What's the difference? Why not
just put it all in one resolution, vote on it, move it forward? It doesn't do anything. There's no teeth to it. We're just asking that we would like to include ourselves as a city that would be supportive of not only what the senator's putting forward, we'd also like to add to that um some additional
points that I mean again I don't see a problem just doing one. So yeah, I'm happy to I'm happy to second I am my only Can I go when you go ahead go ahead councilman Roberts? Uh
no it uh between 2009 and 2014 the state of New Jersey did have uh red camera enforcement throughout the state of New Jersey. Uh 70 cameras were put at various intersections throughout the state. Uh one was on 18th Street on
Jersey Avenue. Uh was was put there. And the reason why I know this I was a sponsor. I was one of the sponsors and it was a pilot program going on throughout New Jersey mostly for safety purposes. However, uh when the data came
back, uh we realized that it almost did the opposite in a lot of instances where uh angled or straight-on collisions uh were down 6 to 8% in those intersections. And reason why six to eight cuz some were 6%, some were seven,
some were eight, but that was the range. But the the increase in rear end traffic uh accidents went up between 20 and 25%. At those intersections and so uh I and that that's reason number one. We look
at safety reasons for putting red camera uh cameras in place at the stage. So the data what was the cause of that? Is there any color you can give? Cause of the the increase. Do they know? Because when someone realizes I'm gonna get there's a camera here. I'm gonna stop. they short they they stop short
car behind them realizes they just bang into them. So uh then there was an another instance where uh many many cars could get caught in traffic and you're in you're stuck in the box and you get multiple tickets if you're stuck there for a longer period of time.
So some people Hoboka residents were getting three four tickets at one shot on uh entering Hoboken going direction exiting or entering Hoboken. So there's uh while there is efforts and I I understand why we want to do this again but in the past
and then that's where I forgot the the last portion of it public outreach right the the public thought of it uh strictly as a money grab and it did raise uh significant revenue but when you put the the safety data and you put the revenue data in there and it caused pretty much
when it didn't match up you think it's going to make me safer it didn't uh essentially Unfortunately, it did not. So, I'm not going to support it. We've already been as a former I was a sponsor. I was not the like sitt on the sideline myself and John I was on the transportation committee sat through the
hearings for this in both directions of it. That's why I made it a pilot. Uh and it just died out and and but the Jersey AON was eliminated because the increase of track was was at a 25 going higher and a lot more whiplashes and all types of things happening there. So, uh I'm
not going to support this tonight for those reasons. in the background I do have dealing with this firsthand. So, thank you. Thank you, Councilman Cano. Thank you, Council President. Um, first on the adding the additional pieces, uh,
you know, I think let's let's keep it as is. Let's keep it consistent with what the state's trying to do. Um, economies of scale. Let's get everybody everyone together speaking with the same voice here. Let's not over complicate things where we don't need to over complicate them. recognizing the issues that my
esteemed colleagues raised. Uh you know, let's have another one in a couple weeks and we'll have a give that it its its light. Uh and and you know, those are issues that the state uh to be effective needs to bring up as well. So let's let's put our efforts, you know, there
but separately. So that's that issue. uh with respect to this particular uh resolution, you know, this is about public safety and you know uh I actually remember um I think it was December 2014 which is when that pilot for the stop
lights uh ended and it ended for the reasons that Councilman Ramos uh said and I think that that made sense at the time but it is 11 years later uh and this one seeks to do a little bit more. One, the technology is better. Two, we also have pressures from our police department. I mean again we're looking
to do more with less. So uh so you know we want to empower them with all the tools that they need. Um and with respect to the public uh I don't for for years I couldn't go to one uh CAPS meeting where folks didn't say hey you
know we need to put you know cameras up on uh the stop lightss and and stop signs uh to enforce them. People are asking for us to enforce the laws. And so this is just a way to facilitate that. Um I think one of the other critical differences is this isn't just about stop signs and stop lights, but
this is also speed cameras, right? And so we we um a few years ago we reduced the speed limit in Hoboken from 25 to 20 miles an hour uh in an effort to you know uh uh if there was a collision uh reduce the instances of of death and and
injury. And you know, it's it's extra important that we're able to we have difficulty enforcing that because of uh the number of police that we have and also you have to set up the cameras the right way. Um, if we're able to do that
with these, especially on a night like tonight where it's, you know, pretty moist out and it's very important that we stick to that 20 mph limit because if you if you forget and you you can skid through and you can hit somebody, but if we're able if people know that we're serious about this 20 m an hour and
there's a camera that's going to uh uh uh keep us honest, then it'll just keep us overall uh safer. So, I'm I'm supporting this because I think it's the right move for our for police. Our our residents are calling for more enforcement and it's just going to keep us safer if the state uh can get this
done. Thank you, Council President. I'll second Paul's motion. Okay, there's a motion on the table to I I don't know how you're just going to staple this to it or are you going to include it? Just amend it. I mean, the language is on. It's just an amended version. We don't need to discuss how we're going to
add it, but anyway, motion to amend the uh resolution to add this page of text. Is it It's just two whereas clauses, you said, council, but eight and nine. Seven's on the original. Got
you should have I wish you had said that when you started because I've been reading the whole thing now and it looked I couldn't figure out what was different. And anyway, I don't All right. Well, anyway, Mr. Fina, on on the motion to amend the spirit resolution
CL2, please call the vote. Mr. Conn, no. Miss Fischer, yes. Mrs. Jabore, no. President, I can no.
Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo, hi. President Doyle. Uh, no. Okay. Welcome next meeting. Oh, we got to vote on the uh the original resolution.
CL2. Mr. Con? Hi. M. Fisher. Yes. Mrs. Jabore. Yes. President Xano. No. Mr. Cano. Hi. Mr. Ramos. No. Mr. Russo. Hi. President Doyle. Hi.
Okay. Okay. T3. M. Mr. Pino, are you insulted by me reading these things or are you okay? Resolution awarding a one-year contract extension to LeaZ Parking, New York, New
Jersey. Uh, both are included. LLC and the amount not to exceed 1,521,52,481 for professional management and operation of garage B, garage D, garage G, and Midtown garage. I think it's LZ parking, not leaz
parking. Just Okay. Thank you for It's Laz LZ. Laz, I live and breathe them. All right, I'll read it again if you'd like. No, it's okay. Okay. Uh it's me, Mr. President.
Director Weberman is in this contract. Um if they're managing it, do are they also in charge of security or is that us the city when they take as they're managing the parking space, do they also have uh are
they in charge of securing the area or safety? Uh could you speak into the microphone director if you're because I I didn't see the contra like I don't get to dig into the details you so the they are they're they're essentially handling the entries and
exits and they're maintaining the space so they're they're keeping it clean. Those are the those are their primary functions. But there's no security. In other words, we have cameras. I I I I can't speak to whether that's a specific part of their
scope. Uh I mean certainly if they see something they they report it, but primarily they're they're handling uh you know facilitating the entry and exit from the garages. Okay. And
do I'm trying to see like what else like there's several times that it's just somebody might be there, somebody might not be there. Uh or who we have to talk to if there's an issue. Um a lot of times
they would take care of it or the city would take care of it. In other words, if there's an issue. I've had people call me on things. Do we go to LAZ or do we go to the city? that this is an outside question to this. So, uh I mean you you'd have to ask me the specific issue. Uh certainly if you
if you call my office, if you call me, I'll I'll direct it to Laz if it's appropriate for them and uh I'll refer it to Joe Scardino or uh to Jesse if if it's something that's in house. Okay.
And this was put out for bid or they just this is the last extension. Uh so it was bid a couple years ago. Three years ago. Yeah. I was trying to remember that. So this this how much how much of an increase is it? Is there an increase?
Uh there is an increase. Uh so the original contract was for two years. Uh there was a one-year extension last year. uh and the amount was 963,000 and this year it's going to be for a
million uh and and it's a TNM contract so uh they they bill based on uh the work they're doing. Okay. All right. Yep. Thank you. Um
Mr. Fina T3, please call the vote. Mr. Con. Fisher. Yes. Mr. Jabore. Yes, President Jano. Hi, Mr. Cano. Hi, Mr. Ramos. Hi, Mr. Russo. Hi, President Doyle. I
Excuse me. T4, resolution awarding a professional services contract to Kimley Horn and Associates, Inc. in the amount of $179,500 for design and construction phase services for resurfacing and
intersection improvements on Sinatra Drive between First Street and Fourth Street funded by B735. I believe that's Yeah, my question more goes back to the I guess you can stay there uh director Weber. It it more goes back to the
question that if there is work that needs to be done after the inspection of the seaw wall. That was my question on this one. So that's why I pulled both of them just to make sure I I I caught myself. So I'll follow up with you guys on that and we can we can call to a vote.
Thank you. Councilman Reena, please call the vote. Mr. Con. Hi. Fisher. Yes. Mr. Jabore. Yes. President. Hi. Mr. Cano. I. Mr. Ramos. Hi, Mr. Russo. Hi, President Doyle.
Hi. So, we're on to introduction. First reading ordinances. Uh, where's the Yeah. Yes.
I'll let you read some. We can alternate if you'd like. An an ordinance for introduction amending chapter 192-4 parking for persons with disabilities to add and to remove reserve parking spaces.
Uh Mr. Fina, please call the vote. Mr. Con? I. Miss Fischer, yes. Mr. Jabor, yes. Oh, yes. Mr. President, hi. Mr. Canero, hi. Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo, hi. President Doyle
I. Ordinance for introduction amending chapter 190-11 titled loading zones remove an existing loading zone located on second street near Adam Street. Mr. Con. Hi. Fisher. Yes.
Mr. Jabore. Yes. President Jano. Hi. Mr. Canero. Hi. Mr. Ramos. Hi. Mr. Russo. Hi. President Doyle. I. An ordinance for introduction amending 190-6.1
of the code of the city of Hoboken designate reserve parking for Hudson County Parks Department on 10th Street. Mr. Col. I miss Fischer. Yes. Mr. Jabore. Yes. President Jano. I. Mr. Canero.
Hi. Mr. Ramos. Hi. Mr. Russo. No. President Doyle. Hi. Ordinance for deduction amending and supplementing an ordinance establishing schedule classifications and allocations of titles for the
hearing mentioned positions in the city of Hoboken. Mr. Pina, please call the vote. Mr. Con? I. Mr. Fiser, yes. Mrs. Jabore, yes. President, no. Mr. Cano, I. Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo, no.
President Doyle I for introduction amending the whole Oakland city code chapter 59A article 7 special law enforcement officers for establishing a position of class 3 special law enforcement officers
in coordination with the Hoboken Board of Education. Mr. Brina, please call a vote. Mr. Con? I. Mr. Fischer, yes. Mr. Jabor, yes. President, I IO. Mr. Ramos. Hi, Mr. Russo. Hi, President Doyle.
I launch for introduction amending chapter 110-17 requiring waste containerization for large multif family buildings. Please call a vote. This is the one that we right. Yeah,
this already voted on it. We are we voted voted on the first three. No, there were two there was trash sheds. Oh, that's why. So please I think that's true. I don't think that's true. Yes. I don't think it is.
We voted on 795. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yes. Can we could we vote? Said yes. No, you voted on 794, didn't we? No. Hi. Mr. Ramos. Hi. Mr. Russo. I.
President Doyle. I. Number seven is being carried. Yep. Number eight, an ordinance for the city of Hobok and the county of Hudson state of New Jersey amending chapter 193 the code of the city of Hoboken entitled
water and adding an article what we got here article uh what's that well entitled lead service replacement and section 193-18 entitled mandatory replacement of lead
service lines Mr. Fraer call the vote. Mr. Con I. Miss Fischer. Yes. Mr. Jabore. Yes. President Zano. Hi. Mr. Canero. Hi. Mr. Ramos. Hi. Mr. Russo. Hi. President Toy.
Twice. Hi. Launchment. Introduction amending section 154-3 notification of vacancies require documentation of proious rent payments and adding section 155-1.11
proof of reser uh previous rents. Point of order. This didn't go through committee. We had a subcommittee meeting yesterday. We didn't see anything of it. It didn't go through mine either. It is going to I think the plan is to go through between now and next. But if you
want to carry it, we can do that. Yeah, because there's a lot of questions on this because there's a lot of duplications that I see that's already done. And my first question is was the division of housing alerted to this and it when I asked her that's fine. We can carry. Yes, they have been. Okay.
They are. Yes. Diane Neves was but anyway if you if you so desire um is that that's going to go through your committee? Yeah, I think it goes one of ours is discuss. Yeah.
So that's carried. But doesn't doesn't zoning go through community North? It's it's rent control. Rent controls south. Okay. That stuff goes to south. Great. So number 10 uh ordinance for
introduction amending pre-adoption of the reinforcing redevelopment plan for the western edge redevelopment area Jefferson and Madison Street uh sub area. Time out. Yeah. Don't do anything. Okay. I apologize. The
Great Space Coaster voting for these. It keeps being pulled though. This one got wet. Don't go far. So, okay.
Mr. Fina, please call a vote. Mr. Con? I. Miss Fischer, present. Mr. Jabor, yes. President Jano, hi. Mr. Canero, hi. Uh, Mr. Canero. Hi, Mr. Ramos. I didn't get two votes.
I get two votes. Mr. Russo, I'm not. How many do I get? I, President Doyle. I say I I It's not on anymore. It's definitely
All right. So 11 is uh ordinance amending the north end redevelopment plan for the north end rehabilitation area. Mr. Freen please call. Mr. Con. Hi. Miss Fischer.
Yep. Mrs. Jabore. Yes. Mr. Presidento. Hi. Mr. Canero. Hi. Mr. Ram Ramos. Hi. Mr. Russo. Hi. President Doyle. Hi. Resolution CD15,
a resolution of the city of Hoboken referring the proposed ordinance, quote, ordinance amending north and redevelopment plan for the north and rehabilitation area to the city of Hoboken planning board in accordance with municipal land use law.
Please call the vote. Mr. Con, hi. Mr. Fischer, yes. Mr. Jabor, yes. President Xano, hi. Mr. Hi. Mr. Ramos, hi. Mr. Russo. Hi, President Doyle. Hi.
Public portion the um Mary and Draa. Ready. Yep. Sorry. Mary Andrea, 1599 Street. I have to say this city has some nerve or favoritism going on here. Um, I
endured as well as other people in this town about three years worth of a reconfiguring of Washington Street which was supposed to cost about $14 million and it ended up being Excuse me, Mary. Could could uh Director Brown or whoever could we keep it down a
little bit? Thank you. Okay. Don't lose my time here. Yeah. Uh I endured over three years as well as others the reconfiguring of the Washington Street and that was supposed to cost $14 million and it ended up costing 2021 17.
Uh President, you knew what it was. I barked enough about it up here. Anyway, um the uh in the plan because I went to every one of those meetings. I remember writing all those letters to the paper. Uh the benches on Washington Street were
to face for the pedestrians and the citizens were to face the businesses and the uh buses was to face the street. And they made a big deal about that. And um
uh when I came here to find an apartment, there was a bench at 9inth where I live on 9inth and Washington on the east side uh southeast side. I remember sitting there sitting there and it was nice. I thought, "Wow, this town
has benches on the streets, all the streets." And there was a bench on Maxwell's in front of Maxwell's beam before I came here, I believe. But through the years they've disappeared and I was away and and then I've been noticing the last few years, no last
yes, the benches are disappearing. So, I um I questioned some of the shop owners in front of the benches today. Um
uh if they have some pool in this town because the benches are missing and some were replaced. One in front of my vet was replaced. The two are missing from um to losen terso. I want to say them in
order because these are my benches that I sit at. Um, number one, in front of uh Frank's spot sitting between two trees, there was a bench on the west side where there's two schools across the street and that's been missing about three years. And I don't understand one day it
just wasn't there. You can see see still see the holes uh on seventh street on the east side three doors down from lot to funeral home there's two benches they are now gone uh I I have used that for years
hundreds of other people have used it I came back from my trip and it's gone um I understand someone from lotso told the city to have them removed the the funeral home serves serves dead
people, not pedestrians. And um why do they have such pull with the city? The benches are for the people. Uh then number three, that the bench was removed and then returned on the west side of
Washington in front of my vet, which I was glad to hear, but it's not been sealed down. And the uh guy at the vet, they're all upset about this. And then in front of Fleet Street, uh, that was removed and that was one of my benches
because I have to take boxes from my post office because I don't trouble the traffic. I don't have a car. I I don't put uh stress on the traffic or the parking and I have to go all the way. So, I take a pit stop there and it's
nice because there's a tree. It's gone. Okay. So today I my brother died last year. I was bringing back boxes. I stopped there and leaned against the tree. You know that's mean. That's really mean. I I I I I don't understand
this. Another favorite bench was near Fourth Street in front of the BCB bank. That's gone. That was next to a tree. And I like to sit there sometimes coming back from downtown. It's nice guys, you know. It's nice. um
at Third Street on the east side of the former Capitol One, the two disappeared and lot I saw them. They're back now. Now, my questions are this. Why are the public benches disappearing?
Uh no, I do not see homeless or bums sleeping on the benches in the day. If they are sleeping there at night, who cares? Two, who has special privileges or power in this town to have benches removed?
I want to know that. That's a fair question, guys. Three, who gave the order to remove them? Four. How dare the city rob
people like me or tired or sick or injured or elderly or just people that have lived here for 37 years that want to sit on a bench. Now, if this town has become so effing
snobby that they think, now there was a lady in front of the the uh I went to Fleet Street and asked the owner. I said, "Are you one of the owners that complained about the bench?" She said, "No, I'm leaving." It was some lady in her 40s that lives on that street. You
know, if you're so scared of a homeless person, they're not going to hurt you. We deserve better. We paid over $20 million for that street. You guys, not maybe all of you, promised me benches. Us benches. I want to see those damn
benches returned because you have no reason not to have them there. Thank you. Thank you. Uh Enrique Herrera. How's it going? How's it going? Um I actually wanted to dedicate this public portions to um Blue Violets Dispensary.
come a frequent customer at that legal dispensary. I'm not necessarily going to uh pass this around. This is a a receipt from a legal dispensary that's being harassed based on a location technicality where it's either too close to a school or anything like that, but we're not sitting there and harassing
the village or uh the station or Hud Senica that just opened up when we move away from well when just let me just uh there was a meeting that had occurred December 4th uh I think last year and it involved
involved an ordinance number and it involved just location not because of the dispensary itself but I was very very adamant about legal activity in illegal activity out when we remove dispensaries even for a short period of time that's where drug dealers win uh
the whole point of legalization is that we can promote the opening of dispensaries and move out um drug dealers once the pricing becomes acceptable for people who are lower lower class or don't have the adequate
funding for it. Uh I think this specific dispensary uh number R or at least the ID number uh R E000000817 is always the the one that gets most of the brunt of the attack because of a
school that seems to be across the street or something. Uh this isn't I was I was pretty much asked by the dispensary owner to see if we can consider uh bringing back the ordinance they that you guys threw out for the
first reading last year in December. Uh I know that this is something complicated, but if we can just incorporate dispensaries in the micro grid properly, we can flush out any and all illegal drug use and um and drug dealers in the area. because of these dispensaries being in this area, just
like in legal New Jersey or New York, a lot of these drug dealers are just moving into areas that are lower income. Um, I guess lower income housing, I think W 5 has the biggest problem with it where uh that was the main 1121 Jefferson Street was actually one of the main areas for legal cannabis to be
distributed. That was one of like prior to legalization, that was where you got your weed. uh by removing that and having Hudsonica there or having blue violets, we remove illegal activity and we incorporate legal activity of you going to a dispensary and purchasing
your cannabis properly and not through these third party sources that bring in crime into the city. Uh I've been very much vocal about uh you know just shutting down dispensaries in the city and over here just showing up and exposing them because that in itself is
against what Phil Murphy wanted when he signed illegal cannabis and everything like that. So uh I think we should just at least address that this specific dispensary blue violet uh is abiding by all you know all transactions are proper. There isn't any illegal
activity. I've come to know the the uh the company very well in terms of the owner and everything like that. I've even gifted her my book as well. I'm pretty much in the area always talking about stuff like that. Uh and I hope that uh we can bring back that specific number ordinance. I'm not really sure
what meeting it was. I didn't get an actual ordinance number, but it was the one that was uh it it was one that was thrown out in the first reading of last year in December. Uh but but that is pretty much
my fight. Legal activity in, illegal activity out. When we fail dispensaries, we allow illegal drugs and criminals to come in and take over the city. E even if it is a better price, as dispensaries become a favorable price point for
people where what used to be $20 in the streets is available in a dispensary, we can remove and and that's pretty much my motto for for that entire thing. That's just uh let's keep legal activity in Hoboken and keep blue violets open. And
hopefully the what's the uh hope hopefully the city of Hoboken planning board can incorporate some sense of morality here. It's already legal if there is a specific location problem. Yeah. But don't target these businesses. They're small businesses. They're up and coming. And as dispensaries become
normal uh and drug dealers are phased out, expect that violent backlash to be that they will go into the legality of it. this is too close to a school. This is too close to this and that. Let's close these things down because I can provide an illegal substance better.
That just removes the, you know, this is keep the legal dispensaries open. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Raer. Uh Zachary King. Hi, Council. Zach here uh with Hoboken United Tenants. Um, so I'm delighted to be here tonight to make a very special
announcement concerning the upcoming Hoboken mayoral race. Uh, HUT has decided to help Hoboken residents make a very informed choice about their next mayor by providing the first ever Hoboken mayor rent questionnaire. The questionnaire is intended to find out and publicize whether you're planning to
try to increase or decrease the rent of the 65% of your Hoboken voters who are in fact renters. We'll ask things like where candidates stand on protecting our rent control laws or how much they really support affordability when push comes to specific and enforceable
policy. I know several of you candidates on this sit on this council and you have all received this questionnaire, though sadly we haven't gotten replies from all of you just yet. I believe and hope that this is just because you're thinking really hard about your answers. I say
this because if you don't answer, we'll have no choice but to publish a big old refuse to answer statement next to your face and name along with the specific dollar amount of how much money you've taken from landlords, developers, and real estate interests in the last few quarters of the campaign. ELAC records
are always a hoot. That's ELC. Try it at home, kids. To be perfectly clear, the questions are simple. We ask if you as a mayor would commit to support some specific policies that we lay out in the survey. You have the choice of yes or no
and then you can also follow up with an open space to add whatever nuance you want to your yes or no commitment. Uh we look forward to sharing all the candidates answers or non-answers with the whole city. Uh and we really hope to see those answers as soon as possible. So make sure you answer the
questionnaire. Hoboken voters can't wait to know how you all stack up on the issues or if you're just stacking up the landlord cash. Hugs and kisses. Till next time, your friendly neighborhood tenants organizing across the city to secure good housing for all. Thank you,
Eric Vulpi. Yeah. Okay. I uh a couple things. First of all, I didn't realize I didn't see this business with this u the CL2. Um I'm really not crazy just I wasn't going to speak on this, but I see it
now. And I'm really not crazy about the idea. Thank you, uh Councilman, uh Ruben Ramos for the uh your comments. Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea. I think uh I don't think the feeling of having mechanized big brother over your
shoulder is going to help people be safer drivers. I drive in Hobok and I don't drive much. I try not to. I mostly try and walk as very walkable. But um but yeah, I don't think that encourages safety. And Ruben gave some uh very it was very
interesting listening to your statistics. I didn't really know all that information. So thanks for that. And I think that's uh very pertinent. I was also going to say that u I talked to a couple of city council members when they had the uh the night out activity.
I actually had the occasion to call the Hoboken Police Department uh several months ago. Uh, actually my car was parked and demolition was being done on the sidewalk right next to my parked car and
they had put up a temporary no parking sign like I think 5 minutes before they started doing this. I was completely taken by surprise. So I wanted to call the Hoboken police and when I called the Hoboken police I got a menu and I think
this is very disturbing. I was calling on my rotary phone, so I was unable to get the police on that. I had to go rumaging around looking for my cell phone. I don't think it's a good idea that we have a menu
answering the Hoboken Police Department phone. I did find my cell phone and I had to listen to the menu. I suppose I don't know what one gets when it calls 911. I only, you know, I don't I haven't really haven't had the
occasion to ever call 911. But to me, that's for life and death. This was kind of serious what was happening. I was worried about my car. I did need a police officer promptly. But I didn't call 911, but I think sometimes you're going to call the four, what is
it? 420210 0, I think. And sometimes just because you call that number doesn't mean you don't need someone promptly. So, I really think it would be good if we had a human being answering the phone instead of a menu. Now, the main reason
I I called was actually because I checked the website of the city uh today and I noticed that it still has the biggest on the headers on top of the website.
The only header in upper caps is COVID 19 resources. that's still there which leads you to information about how to get the injection wrongfully called a vaccine. It's not a vaccine. They changed the definition of
vaccine to to let that this injection off the hook according to the laws of the uh the 1986 vaccine liability act. According to this peer-reviewed study in
the international journal of vaccine theory practices and research with seven authors very distinguished scientists confidential confidential fiser documents have re revealed 1.6 million adverse events by August of 2022. A
third were serious injuries to cardiovasc cardiovascular, neurological, thrombotic, immunological, and reproductive systems. Long alarming increase in cancers. Uh well-designed studies have shown that reproductive systems uh excuse me,
repeated uh modified mRNA and rejections cause immune dysfunction, thereby potentially contri contributing to heightened susceptibility to SARS CO2 infections and increased risks of COVID 19. We
recommend a global moratorum on the modified mRNA products until proper safety and toxological studies are conducted. And it goes on, this is a considerably, as you can see, it's a very thick report, very well researched,
about I don't know about more than 10 pages of references from other peer-reviewed studies, and it goes on and on. Let's see. I only got about 20 seconds left, so I'll wrap this up quicker. I could go on quite a bit about it. Once again, this has all
been done on a much higher level than the Hoboken city government um going up to the CDC and state department of health and all that. That said, I don't think it's necessary for the city of Hoboken to be pushing this. I think it's a disgrace that it hasn't been taken off
the market. Like I said, I have other studies where doctors have requested immediate moratorum on this. I just think it's disturbing. the city of Hobok and still is pushing it on its website and also the state department of uh of health and the county of Hudson,
but I think it really should be taken off the city website. And I'm done. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Vulpi. Ernest Boyd. Hey, Ernest Boyd here at Marine View Plaza. I was here to speak about an
ordinance, but I don't see it on the in the docket anymore. It got it got carried. I think if that's the one what what does that mean exactly? It means we're going to address it at the next meeting and it our st I apologize for interrupting but
and you I'll still let you go. Please, please. But we we typ we have a practice where ordinances go through subcommittees before they come to the council and that particular ordinance did not go through the subcommittee. So it will go through
the subcommittee between now and December 3rd presumably. and September September September 3rd or December um you give September 3rd and then it will be on for first reading you know assuming that
there's a sponsor and so forth and then it it would then be voted on at the next meeting and will the language be the same? Well, the the it may or may not. You'll check our check the website before September 3rd.
Okay. We hope that like we hope Marine View Plaza, Hobok United Tenants hopes that the language is the same because what it's addressing is the issue of warehousing and to ensure that previous rents previous rents stay the same and that they're not raised by landlords and that
there's full transparency for those tenants who move into an apartment later so that we don't get runaway rents in this city and so that apartments are not warehoused. I'm saying this to everyone here are not warehoused as they are
being in Marine View Plaza right now. And the last thing I would like to say is I'm going to second my man Zach. We do look forward to seeing all of those all those questionnaires filled out because we do believe as they say in
deep as as Deepthro said we are going to follow the money. So we're going to know who exactly supports us and who doesn't moving forward. But I want to thank you everybody. But I want to thank everybody. We will be back on September 3rd, 2025 to make sure that this goes
down. Thank you. Okay. And Mr. Mr. Boyd, just so you know, on the 3 will be there will not be a hearing on it, but it will be but there'll be a first vote if that's Yep, that's
correct. Assuming that it's sponsored and so forth. Uh, Manuel Rivera. So, this is where you put the consent agenda. So many papers, council president, who can keep track, council president. Um I
would like to take the opportunity again in my unofficial capacity and this I say solemnly uh as an advocate or the consoler and chief of this council. I just want to say I want to ask you if you could join me and members of the
public and the council as well in memory of a hobokenite that was that passed pardon me um this past August uh 13 2025. Uh her name I hope I can say it
here and I hope we can join together in consoling pardon me sending our condolences to her family. Uh a great great Hobokenite 98 years young uh went to uh
the calling of her father in heaven. Her name is Hilda Ortiz. Her full name is Hilda Garavajio Vale. Pardon me. Vaj I flubbed it up. I'm going to say it again. Hilda Kavajo
V. Hilda was born in May, Puerto Rico. Hilda in May, Puerto Rico. I wanted to say that in Spanish for her family members. Council President, I thank you. I hope
that in furtherance of time I will leave it there. But again, a hoboken night. loved be loved by her neighbors and by the community at large in Hoboken. She will be missed not just by her family
but her friends and her community. Council President, now I would just like to take a little time um before and this is not a a a direct comment towards anyone here and towards
you, Council President, but before you answer the question, it seemed like you were answering the question and you were a little bit hostile. I doubted that that was the reason why you were answering the question in that manner. It perhaps
was that may you may have been irked by so many questions asked on the agenda. But council president you cannot doubt or you cannot say that it is necessary to ask questions when you do not have direct representation. Is that correct
council president? I would assume you would say yes. So that's why I come and I ask the question because I do not. and my neighbors do not have direct representation on this council. Cleaner streets,
safe parks and streets, a balanced budget, a budget presented on time, advocating for sensitive issues and finding solutions for these issues. This is what a representative should do, especially a
representative of a word that has been forgotten. a word that sometimes people come to it to her park to take pictures and videos and say, "Oh, look at this. Look at that."
Candidates that that are phantoms and ghosts, like I said at two meetings ago, she But this is not a direct insult to anyone. Everyone everyone who wants to be of service should aspire towards it.
But I say today so that it is clear to all those in the council that denied representation to the six ward residents and now you are putting your thumb on the scale to
try to get a representative that better fits your point of view if you should prevail and become mayor. Well, that is wrong. At least in my perspective. So, I ask
you, council president, I want members of the public to understand that yes, I advocate for the six ward Hobbook and in general, I advocate for and yes, yes, full disclosure, I will seek the office of the sixword
council member. Not because of ego, not because I think I deserve it, not because of that, because I truly want to be of service to the people. I truly want to give back to the city where I
was born in. Not six years living here, not 40 born here. So, Council President, with that, I do want to say to you, none of this was meant in disrespect to any anyone who's running for office. This is
what I am thinking or considering. That is a fact. And I want my fellow residents of the sixword to understand that yes, I will seek the office like I did in December when I stood here and asked you to consider me. Anyway, with that, Council
President, I'm going to say Slava Ukraine. Glory to Ukraine. Slava, glory to the heroes. And to you, Council President, God bless you. God bless you all. God bless Hoboken, and God bless the six word. Thank you for listening.
Thank you, Manny. Um, Patricia Waiters, Council President Patricia Waiters, if I might just ask to be excused for one minute cuz the young lady in the back didn't understand the process. This is her first meeting. She reached out to
several of you council people. She have a very serious matter that she want placed on a record. So, could she go before me and then I'll go after her cuz she was here ever since 6:30. I mean, it's it's it's a difference of two minutes. I mean, why don't you finish? Is that okay? Oh, I'm I'm
She's been here since that's fine. That's fine. No, that that that's fine. So, um Mary, could you tell me your last name because um Mary Perryman. P E R R Y M.
Thank you. Hi. Um, as Patricia said, this is my first meeting. Um, I was born and raised here in Hoboken, but being a part of this, I never was. Um, I um not comparing myself to anybody
else. My mom always said when she was alive, there's always someone worse off than you are. But um, the last couple years have been really challenging for us. Um, Miss Fischer and Mr. Russo know my story and I'm sure right now probably
all of Hoboken and even beyond because I've reached out to every political figure that I can think of to help us. Um, my mom had a stroke in December 23. She passed away last year in February.
Um, I wasn't able to work during that time. um my um role that I had at Kate Spade um they wouldn't um give me any hours because I wasn't able to do the
job eventually because I was too focused on my mom and what had happened. Um I lived in our apartment where my daughter and I who's disabled and uh right now is in the hospital because of everything
that's going on on top of already. um health issues that she has has been overwhelming for her. I know I've made decisions um personally and you know you have consequences for that but I believed in the system. I believed in my
political leaders. I believe that I just wanted to believe and trust um everyone that was around me and however many meetings or however many conversations I had like that's all I had left was belief and so I just went with that. Um,
I had an arrangement with my landlord. As I said, we lived in an apartment over 25 years. Over 25 years. And I went back to work April last year till September until I unfortunately got laid off. Um, and then I was right back
to square one again. Um, I try to do um funding through um all the the venues. I have not left one stone unturned. um any kind of charity or organization, anything that you can think of. Um
reaching out um GoFundMe pages that my general manager did for me. It's like every um um door that opened it just like shut right in my face. It's like I wasn't, you know, I'm not asking for a
lot. I even said that um I don't want a hand out that I would even like pay this back one day. But right now, right now, my daughter, as I said, is in been in the hospital for two weeks. We were evicted after 25 years because I still
waited until the last second until the last second that someone was going to come through for us. When it started out, it was only four months of rent. But then it just kept building and building and building. And it kept building through welfare. It kept building through my landlord. kept
building by me. My unemployment ran out. I'm still fighting with them in New York because they ended it early. I we we just have nothing. And so when you have nothing, you reach out to your community like like um this is what we're a part
of. Like um I I did what I could to support you when I was like voting for you. And I know I'm just like one vote, but I'm like begging for help right now. Where I stand right now is that my landlord has moved all of my belongings
in their basement. Our belongings of 25 years, even though I had a court order from Judge Jimenez that said on the record that I could go into the apartment, hire a moving company and move the stuff myself. She wouldn't let
me in the apartment. And she uh went above his ruling. and and now uh all of our stuff is in trash bags in the basement. I have no heart to tell my daughter that, but that's what happened. Um they they wouldn't let me go beyond
that. Um I tried to do the best that I can. Um as I said, she's disabled. She could barely stand. Um she could much less walk. This was overwhelming for her and it put her
in the hospital. She as soon as she gets better, she has to be transitioned into rehabilitation um into from rehabilitation. She's supposed to go to her home. I have no home for her. Um we have nothing. I'm
willing to to work to do anything that I need to do. I mean, you could see how much this is taking a toll on me. I'm just like pouring my heart out to you that we just need a place to live. That's it. I I will live by the the littlest means that I did that we can. I
even applied for a role here at city hall. Um I I haven't heard back about that. I've been um every kind of job search engine that you could imagine. I've been out there. But on my 62nd
birthday on August 1st is when we found out that we were going to be evicted. And I can't do anything about it. I'm just asking like is there is there anything that you can have to give us a place to live in? Have you talked to the social worker at
this at the with Nora with Nora by any chance? Nor I can't hear have the the the city I can't hear on my left ear. The city of Hoken has social workers and and Nora de Benadetto is one of them. And
I had um um I didn't know about uh Nora until um uh one of the um constituents in Hobok and Tom Brennan said that I should reach out to her and then she said that um she couldn't help me but
that Bianca could uh Bianca I've met and spoken to her um several times. Um um but it was uh working with her and with my landlord. she was trying to work with her on my behalf. She was
advocating for me um um and then working to with um the welfare office with um Mr. Knap with uh Mr. Romano. Uh, in the beginning, as I said, this was only four months of rent and everything was going
along well and then it just went out of control and I feel like the all the wrong hands got in the bucket and there were too many uh people. Do you have a Do you have a like a a telephone for contact information that you can provide to
Why don't I That's I can Would it be helpful to go and have a conversation in the lobby? I also don't Yeah. Why don't we go meet outside because I also don't want you to feel like you have to continue to do this on on the microphone in a public.
No, no, no. I I want to make sure to respect your privacy and all the situation. So, would it be okay to go out into the lobby and have a conversation just directly and I can make sure to get your contact information about how we can help share it with all of us? Yeah. Would that be okay? Um, yeah, they both have my contact
information. All right. You don't have to What would you you want you want to the the meeting will be over in five minutes or thereabouts. So if you if you want to just wait for about and then Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry to interr
Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Real quick, Patricia Waiters, let me just wrap it up real quick. The reason I suggest that she bring it to you guys as a government body cuz Michael Russo mentioned at the last meeting when y'all
mentioned affordable housing, her name came up and that's the tenant that he was referring to. She also wanted to show gratitude to Tiffany Fischer. You was there. I came on the scene and a few a few other people that she reached out to. So, I didn't want her to feel like
her city gave up on her like she said or whatever. So, I suggest she plac it on the record, especially at a time like this. I was there every step of the way. I don't want kudos. This is what I do. I tell y'all that. I feel a little popular when they come to me after she went to
every other source there was. I went and setting on two show causes physically in court. I beat the judge there and I took her personally myself. So, I wanted that placed on the record because I don't want nobody doing kudos cuz it's an election. Now, let me have my five
minutes. Jerry, set the machine cuz I promise people this is for the people, not me. Yeah, Patricia Wade is 15 Church's apartment 4K and nobody better not come to my house. Trisha, you no longer have to give your
address when you say your name. Just in case you don't want people bothering you. Okay. I said what? No, I we there's no longer a requirement that you provide your address if if you don't want to share it. Oh, no. I'll share. I don't care. I I know you're joking. Um I'm knocking tomorrow.
I have here here with me tonight. Well, they left anyway the guys from Marine View that just spoke before me. I had the pleasure of knocking on his door and I had to share this because he gave all of y'all a um little thing he said he sent y'all to fill out the survey. I
didn't get one. So he said to me, "You said you wasn't running for mayor, but when I knocked on his door, that's what I just took him in the hall and said, he took me through Marine View and we personally was looking at the doors that is being warehoused or whatever and I told him this is me and this is what I
do." He didn't mention me, but what I want to mention is today, May, thank you, Jerry and Jimmy, the first day of picking up petitions in city hall. Nobody picked up yet, 2025 at 12:14 p.m.
May 9th, Pat Waiters. Okay? And I'm saying this because I'm getting when I say a woman and Manny can witness this. I have so many people that call me and said to me, "You running for mayor? I need to fill out your petition. I said,
I'm not running. I have the petition since May, but I went to every candidate because I want to see how they really feel because y'all don't understand the seriousness right now of what our city been impacted with the last eight years. Cuz I didn't see none of y'all going
around surfacing your own petitions. But I I promise members of the public, I had to I had to come out. They see me speak all the time, but this time is very different because those hundred degrees, those rainy days, those days I dig on
there almost piss my pants, knocking on doors, they offering me so much water, every other floor I got to go to bathroom. I enjoy really interacting with the residents that live here. I am so emotionally severely scarred when I
get to the microphone and I get emotional and people were saying, "Well, she's just crazy." No, I'm not crazy. I'm emotional cuz I have a compassion for helping people. This is what I do. And my name carries integrity. It
carries respect. And I love that because I already showed that. So when I knocked on doors and asked people to join me in these petitions and they was more than willing. Well, Patricia, who do you think going to win? And I'm giving all of y'all a quick bit of advice. We all
know y'all served already. Some of y'all two, three, four terms. We don't want to hear the same old stuff. Please, I don't care if y'all had 50 debates. You preaching to the choir. I sit in this council chamber for 27 years running for
office, public office without a dime. I just told the other mayoral candidate when she pulled me in the hallway, "Oh, we're pleased to meet you." I said, "About time you sent 80 other people now and I can get to meet you cuz I'mma tell you how I feel. I'm up here tonight for the people that live in Hoboken, New
Jersey. I'm up here to say this is our chance. all of the times we came to this mic and talked about affordable housing and today I'm sorry I'm apologize to Mr. Con when I got emotional when he talked about Sandy and Rebuild by Design. You
got to understand my frustration when y'all wasn't even interested in politics. Me and Michelle Russo sat on that back bench. Am I lying? And I learned politics from a scholar. I consider her a scholar. I don't care what you say. days when they skipped over me, Beth Mason and them. She said,
"Wait, what about Pat Waiters?" I said, "Thank you, Michelle. I beg y'all to name that seat after her. People that we know and love in Hoboken." Hoboken have changed so much and y'all won't give the people what they want. We want change. I
want to see one of y'all run that on y'all platform. That one simple word, change. Change. I'm fed up about everything from the budget down to parking down to every I don't even want to talk about it. I want to be about it. So, I'm wrapping up
saying this. Thank you each and every person, especially the two young men that just left from Marine View and Jerry and Jimmy. Tomorrow, you will see I surfaced this whole community. Please adhere to the process. I did everything right. I submitted all together when I
put this one in today 300 petitions. proud where I physically knocked on doors. And I want to thank everybody again that's watching this. Those cards I gave you with my number, utilize it so you could see that I'm a woman of my word.
Excuse me. Maybe my city clerks is not listening. Excuse me. It's okay. Hello. Okay, city clerks. Jerry, I'll see you tomorrow. And Jimmy, I'll see you tomorrow. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Patricia. Have a night sleep.
That's it for public comment. Motion to close public comment. Public comment. Is that all right? Motion to close public comment. I'm sorry. I All right. I I uh We have two resolutions. Two resolutions.
I Yes. Uh yes. Uh yes. Okay. Yeah. if that's what you're going to do. No. Okay.
M Mr. Fina, please call a vote for both new uh no both resolutions NB1 and MB2. Mr. Con? No. Miss Fischer, yes. Mr. Jabore. President. I Mr. Cero. No. Mr. Ramos.
Hi. Mr. Russo. I. President Doyle. No. No. No. Really? No. Yeah, that's why I said you want to do them separately, but there's only seven of us here now.
So, four four passes passes. So, I think what was it? It was four. So, yeah, pass. That is motion to close. Second. I for like $2,000.
Bill, what was the note for? No one emergency. You just don't want to hold an emergency.