We're good. >> Hello. Okay, great. Testing. >> All right. >> Oh, you will be reading, Ray. >> Welcome everyone to the zoning board of adjustment regular meeting April 22nd, 2026 in the meeting room at town hall. Uh, so actually we're going to seat
Angela to fill in for Francine. So, uh, Angela, you're going to read the call to order. >> Oh, you want me? No, I >> Oh, you Okay, Lori, please read the call to order. >> Okay. I hereby announce pursuant to section five of the open public meetings act
that adequate notice of this meeting has been transmitted on January 14th, 2026 by the board administrative officer to the Asbury Park Press, the Two River Times, the Township Clerk, and has been posted in the meeting room and in the entrance hall in town hall, all pursuant
to section 13 of the Open Public Meetings Act. >> Thank you, Lori. Um, and then again, just for the record, we're going to seat Angela to fill in for Francine Campus. Um, Arena, could you do roll call, please? >> Of course. Mr. Burkel, >> present. >> Miss Campus, Miss Campus is absent. Miss
Gerard, >> present. >> Mr. Luchiani >> here. >> Mr. Marzoka >> here. >> Mr. Gian Paulo >> here. >> Mr. Orphan >> here. >> Miss Castello >> here. Mr. Arnon, Mr. Ron is absent. We'll have a we have a quorum. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh please rise for the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for a moment of silence to honor the military, police, and our first responders and pray for our military overseas. >> Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty justice for all. Okay. So, Inreina, I don't believe we have any resolutions or Marty, any resolutions to approve. Okay. So, moving on. >> No resolutions and uh the minutes. So,
Ina, I believe we have four sets of uh minutes. Why don't we start with the July 19th, 2023 minutes and we'll go in chronological order from there. >> That's correct, Mr. Chairman. July 19th, 2023. Eligible to vote. Mr. Burgl, Mr.
Gian Paulo, Mr. Deos, Mr. Luchiani, and Miss Ghart. >> Do we have any corrections or edits to the July 19th, 2023 meeting? >> If Demetri, >> no. >> Okay. If none, can I have a motion to
>> motion to accept the minutes? >> Second. >> A vote. >> Mr. Burkel. >> Yes. >> Mr. Jolo. Yes. >> Mr. Orphan Polos. >> Yes. >> Mr. Luchiani. >> Yes. >> And Miss Gerard. >> Yes.
>> Uh, no. November 1st, 2023. Eligible to vote. Mr. Burkel, Mr. Gian Paulo, Mr. Orphanos, Mr. Luchiani. That would be it. >> All right. Did everyone get a chance to review? Any edits or com questions, changes to the minutes?
>> If none, can I have a motion to vote? >> Motion to accept the minutes. >> I'll second it. Mr. Gian Paulo. >> Yes. >> Mr. Orphan Deeros. >> Yes. >> Mr. Luchiani. Yes. >> And Mr. Burkel. >> Yes.
>> December 6, 2023. Eligible to vote. Mr. Burl. Mr. Golo. Mr. Orphanita Pulus. And Mr. uh Oh, I'm sorry. It's Mr. Burkel, Mr. Golo, and Mr. Orphanita Polus. >> Okay. >> Three of us. >> Three of us. John.
>> Any uh edits, John or John? Okay. Uh, can I have a motion to accept the minutes? >> Motion to accept the minutes. >> Second. >> Do we vote? >> Uh, Mr. Gian Bolum. >> Yes. >> Mr. Orphan Bulas. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Burkel.
>> Yes. >> Minutes for April 15th, 2026. Eligible to vote. Mr. Burkel, Miss Ghart, Mr. Luchani, Mr. Orphanita Pulos, Mr. Gian Paulo and Miss Castello.
>> All right. So, this is pretty fresh on everyone's minds. Uh, any edits or changes to the minutes for April 15th? If not, can I have a motion to accept the minutes for April April 15th? >> I'll move to accept the minutes. >> Second. >> I'll second.
>> Uh, Miss Gerard, >> yes. >> Mr. Lucian, >> yes. >> Mr. Orphanita Pulos, >> yes. >> Mr. Gian Paulo, >> yes. Miss Castello. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Burkel. >> Yes. >> For the record, minutes for
>> April 15, 2026, July 19th, 2023, uh, November 1st, 2023, and December 6, 2023. We're successfully approved. Thank you. >> So, we officially caught up. >> Almost. Almost.
>> All right. Uh, Lori, can you please uh we're going to open up the public hearing portion of this meeting and please read item number one. >> Yes. Item number one, ZB2025-08 Maria Cotus 33 Bay Drive, Homedale, New Jersey 07733
R/TTH zone. The applicant is requesting a variance for the installation of a rear pa patio around the pool located approximately 1 foot off the property line and increasing lot coverage by exceeding 30%. The application will not
be heard tonight and will be carried until July 15, 2026 without further further notice. >> Thank you, Lori. Um, anything Irene that we need to add to that? >> Uh, motion and second. >> Okay. Any motion to >> motion to carry to July uh
>> 15, 2026? >> July 15, 26. >> I'll second it. >> Miss Ghart. >> Yes. Mr. Luchianim, >> yes. >> Mr. Marzoka, >> yes. >> Mr. Gian Paulo, >> yes. >> Mr. Orphanita Pulus, >> yes.
>> Miss Castello, >> yes. >> And Mr. Burkel, >> yes. For the record, um, item number 2023, I'm sorry, 2025-08. Uh, was carried until July 15, 2026 without further notice. >> Too many dates. >> Yeah, a lot of dates. Um, Lori, do you
want to proceed with the next public hearing? Item number two, ZB2026-02, Randy, and I'm going to apologize in advance. Chimalooki 78 Parkway Place, Block 24, lot 15. The applicant is seeking to construct a
twocar detached garage on the applicant's property, which is a corner lot. The homeowner will need a bulk variance to permit said construction of the garage within 30.5 ft of the property line where a minimum of 75 ft
is required necessit necess necessitating a front yard setback on this property which fronts two streets. In addition, a variance is required to permit the construction of a garage to conform to the requirements in the R-4A
zone. >> Thank you, Lori. Um, >> I have a question before we get started. Marty, uh, the applicant moved the to 36.5 and so should we update what we just read off or what? >> No, no, >> we have new plans.
>> No, they're going to testify to what was changed, but that's the original notice. Okay. >> Just make sure everybody's mics are on, please. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead. Um, so, uh, this is Shimalasi. >> Shimali. Do you want to introduce your attorney
and uh present your uh your application and your testimony? >> All right. Not a problem. >> For the record, Maurice Maloney appearing. I'm taking Mr. Men's place tonight. He had another meeting that had been scheduled >> and it's Maurice Maloney. >> Maurice Maloney. M A L O N E Y.
>> Great. Thank you. >> My office is in Shrewsbury, New Jersey. >> Okay. Now, as I >> for the record, uh your witness has been sworn in already. You're still under oath, Mrs. Jamoski, and our uh professional has been sworn on this application.
>> Okay, great. >> All right, Mr. Maloney, do you want to uh begin? >> Yeah, it's it's my understanding that most of the testimony, if not all the testimony was taken when Mr. men was here the last time and uh there was talk about amending the site plan to show
that okay we can push the garage back another uh I think 6.5 ft or around it and it would basically stay in the same place but it would be back as far as it could go. Uh we have the plans and I think
they're up on the >> These are the revised plans. >> That's the revised plan. Uh yeah, that's 37 36.7. >> And you know what, but why don't we just give a brief summary of what we're doing because we have two they they listen to last week's testimony on on YouTube and
and Facebook, but just to kind of give a summary again of what exactly we're doing and what what we have changed since last week. Just a quick summary of last week. >> I think my my witness, my client would probably be better. >> Okay, just bring just move the microphone over to her so she's on the record
>> since I wasn't here. >> Yep. >> Sure. So, we purchased the property at Seven Parkway Place East in September of last year, and we've been um working on making some significant improvements to the property. Uh, one of the things that we would like to do is to uh put in a uh
a permit request to be able to finish the existing garage and understanding that a garage is required um in Homeell to then build the proposed um detached garage on the property um we've proposed to um located and and are requesting the
variance to meet the setback on the one of the two frontages of the property. It's a corner property with two frontages. It meets um with 112 ft and plenty to spare from the deerrest side. The deerrest side is the architectural front of the property as it has been
from the original design of the home um and is the sort of effective front of the property for anyone in the neighborhood. as the nature of turning a left onto um Deerrest is that you only make that left if you are coming to our driveway um due to the fact of a gate
installation that separates East Parkway and West Parkway and the location of driveways and all other property owners being prior to making that left turn. So the um community of experience of the property is from the Deer Crust side. Um, we had come last week and proposed
the location of the garage where it is placed to maintain full use of the existing driveway and um, not moving that driveway and also to be able to preserve some mature trees in and about the neighborhood of 50 feet or so that are located, you know, sort of
immediately behind that driveway alongside of that driveway. Um and then also given the um it's sort of at the top of a a hill, not the nature of some of the hills that we have in Homedale, but the nature of a hill that placing it here would minimize the need for, you
know, retaining walls and things of that of that nature. Um hearing the board's testimony last week at some of the board's questions, um one of the questions was um what would it look like to move this back about five feet? Um and so in conversations with our um architect, he was kind enough to drop
some additional plans for us. Um and so we brought those in paper copy and we'll email those over as well and have them displayed up on the screen um to propose 30 an additional 6.7 ft to bring it back to 36.7 from the parkway side from the
functional back of the property. Um >> so it was 41.7. Is that correct? It was 30 in the last um and so this moves it back provides an additional um >> okay >> um and that would also from sort of a a design and an experience perspective um
bring the home >> and the garage into a full line alignment and full line. It would preserve the full use of the driveway. Um, and it would also preserve again in this area and this area where those uh mature trees are located and where the
additional sort of sloping of the property starts to get um a bit more severe. So, we tried to um hearing some of the questions and appreciating that the board members had um offered to have a site visit, we thought it would be helpful to also um provide a
presentation for today that would um further demonstrate what we heard as um an an interest Is there anything >> in the squiggly this squiggly circle line like a cloud shaped line around is that the the slope is that the slope representing the slope of the land there
like the cloud that kind of surrounds the uh garage itself. What does that represent? >> I don't know what the cloud represents. I apologize. Um >> typically Mr. Chairman that would be the area of disturbance that that they're anticipating where grading is going to be for impact.
>> Okay. So it is representing some of the slope. >> Uh Yes, that that would be basically the impact on the lot when they're actually >> just that's what they're going to disturb. That's all it represents. Doesn't have any elevations. >> And in the one in the triangle, does
that mean anything? >> That's just how they number >> that that is most likely I have in front of me so I should be looking that up on screen. >> Uh that is typically a reference to a note number one which any
>> on the drawing symbols. It says revision number. Does that just mean one first revision? >> Oh, and that's the only revision >> that exists. Okay. >> Good job, Lori. >> Well, no, Vinnie pointed out to me because I couldn't figure out what it
meant. Okay. Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead. >> Um, that's okay. I think I think that that summarizes every everything, but if I've missed anything or glad to answer questions >> just to >> behind the garage, uh there's there's
all the trees, mature trees, >> correct? And we really like to keep the trees for the screening and uh just makes the lot look better. Uh and the other thing is u >> can you just speak into the microphone just a little more closely? Thank you.
>> I'm sorry. >> Sorry. >> The other thing I would point out is uh they put in the the architect put a note. It says the addition will not require changes in current grade all the roof leaders to be directed toward the street and away from adjacent properties. By putting it in this
location, there's no other changes that need to be made. Is that correct? >> That's my understanding. >> Okay. And behind with there's a it's a septic system. Is that correct? The house is serviced with a septic system. >> Correct. >> And the the leech field is is back in
that area. So >> that down at the bottom of the hill. >> So you're not interfering with anything concerning the the septic system. That can stay the same. Correct.
>> How far back is the septic system? >> Don't know the specific. >> It's on It's on one of the maps. >> The septic cleanouts are shown on the survey. >> Yeah, it's on the survey. It's way back there. Doesn't affect anything.
>> You can see the points on the left on deerrest drive site. They have the cleanouts. Yeah, there should be no impact from this >> by moving it by moving it back there. There will be no impact on anything. >> No impact how far back you
>> No, I said there's no impact. You're right. >> Was this received already or we have to mark it? >> Um, no. This Randy just brought this at the meeting. So just for the record, we'll mark the uh it's two pages from the architect as a I'll check. I think
it's A1. >> The second page was just to provide like uh an understanding of the the structure. >> That's fine. But it's a two-page submitt. So we'll just reference that for the record. But it is a one for the record.
>> So Mr. Maloney, is there anything else you wanted to add before I open up to the board for questions? >> I don't think there's anything you need to add at this point. Okay. All right. So, um, at this point, let's, uh, I don't know if we want to start to the left with Jean. Do you have any, uh, questions or comments or >> Yeah.
Now, the way you've you've done it, you're 38, 37. Uh, you've got a side entry garage. Why? You could, for example,
put the garage in front in front of the back of the house, so to speak, you know, right next to the existing patio. So, you could have built it there if you didn't care about the driveway in the back,
right? And you wouldn't have window in the back. You have to have windows in the side because the garage is covered house. But if you did that, um, you probably would go back further.
You wouldn't get 75 ft, but you might get 50. >> You only need 50. >> Only 50. >> You might not need a variance at all if you did that. Now, you wouldn't have as long a drive.
>> You'd have a short driveway >> with front front facing uh garages. >> Gene, not to interrupt, but it it is 75. It's a front yard, so the setback is 75.
>> How come it shows 50 on these? >> I made a mistake. >> I don't know. >> Mr. Luchian, I'm going to try to fix your um microphone. When I when I read it into the record >> right >> earlier, it said 75. >> I know the plan say 50 here, but this is
their architect's plan. >> We need to know for sure. >> Mr. Yakis, >> could you uh provide a little insight for us? >> 75 ft. Okay. >> Okay. Then no matter what, you're going you're going to need a variance. No
matter what you do, if you did it the way I suggested you might do it, uh, you'd probably need less of a variance. That's all. >> Did you ever think about doing it that way? We considered a range of options, but
felt that this was the best option to sort of preserve the full functionality of the driveway, be able to preserve um the ability to also walk within that paved driveway space um to the front existing patio that's presently sort of a a pass through and sort of
functionality feature of the home. Um, and also to have the um the garage not facing the back, but to have um what was our understanding of an additional preference that the garage uh like the doors themselves didn't face the any front of the property. Um
>> I know uh in fact if you did what I suggested, you wouldn't be able to use the existing part of the driveway in the back, right? It would block. >> Correct. You would you would not be able >> Are you okay? >> All right. >> He's all right. So I check
getting the paperwork. You can continue. Thank you. >> Drives the problem. >> So that's correct. It would it would both eliminate the use of the current existing driveway in that portion. It would also eliminate the ability to have
the walkth through to the front existing patio um where we have also uh an approved porch that um we're building on that front existing patio. So it's again because the nature of the home is a little bit unique that the again the architectural and like the functional
front of the home is really dear Chris. Um and so we're trying to, you know, ma maintain um the ability to use the property to its full benefit as it's currently structured. Now, when I made a site visit, I took uh
pictures and and uh Irene uh uh printed them out for me. I don't know if anybody would like to see >> I think we all have a copy, right? >> I I just made two copies so we can circle it. Mr. Luchani and Mr.
has it says 01 I mean board one B1 >> no it should be board two because Mr. Luchani did submit one more exhibit last meeting. >> Okay. So, basically what I saw when he was there is that the the so-called
front in Deerest looked like that was part of a regular uh community development, whatever. Whereas the Parkway Place entrance
uh was very rural looking and the uh house across the street was up on a hill and would hardly see your parkway side of the of the house. >> Correct.
So that would mean that having it closer to the uh to that part of the street would be wouldn't be so much of an eyesore. Uh that's all I I'd have to say. I I asked
that question about moving it uh you know closer to the house and obviously you'd have to add a sidewalk if you did that to the uh to get from the driveway to that to that existing patio could be
done. >> Okay. Anyhow, that's uh that's my my only viewpoint is you could have done you could do something like that instead of what you suggested. I don't know that it makes a lot of difference in terms of
the aesthetics. In fact, it might look better the way you've done it. >> Well, I think one thing I see Dimmitri is actually re-measuring something because I think there was a question that I'm still scratching my head about the 50 ft uh front yard set back versus 75 ft. >> Courtney's denial letter. >> Okay. So Dimmitri, would do you want to
share what you're just I see what you're doing here. This is it's interesting. So are the plans itself that dotted line incorrect. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Can you make sure you're >> Yeah. So, yeah, Demetri, why don't you explain what your >> I think somebody should have caught that obviously ahead of time that we we were
off by 25 ft, but I just wanted to see where 75 ft is and it's basically only a few feet away from the corner of the existing garage area. So, um, my observation and when I was there is I
thought we were working with 50 and I thought that okay, if we can move it back 10 feet or 15 ft, it would almost minimize completely the variance. But now at 75, there's nothing you can do about it. Even if you attach it to the house, you'd be getting a variance.
>> Yeah. Mr. Mal, could could you share that with Mr. Maloney so he can understand what we're looking at here? >> Yeah. >> Um, do you want to come up to the You want to come up to the come up to the podium? It's it's shown on the planet as 80 ft to the corner of the house. So yeah, you can you can you don't have to measure it. You can see it.
>> I just I just took my pen and scale put it to scale to the guide before I was trying to hit my ruler and but I did the red lines just so that we can see where the actual
75 foot setback is red line. So, you know, a lot of us wanted to move it back and even if you moved it all the way back, even with the house, you wouldn't even be able to meet that requirement. >> Do you want to share that with your client real quick and just confer with them?
>> I don't know, Al if you saw that or you want to look at it. >> I did. My report says, >> so it's just a bigger It's a much bigger. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We just got the >> I know.
>> So based on that, >> I mean, is it my turn to speak? I don't >> Well, Angela, did you have anything? Go, you go ahead. Um the only observation that I had when I was at the property was um I know last meeting we had some discussion on um how it was going to be
consistency wise with the rest of the neighborhood and driving through the neighborhood. It seemed like each lot uh there really wasn't any sort of consistent layout um with any of the houses. Some seemed closer, some seem further, some did have detached um structures.
So to me it's not as big of a concern consistency wise. I don't think it's going to stand out, especially the location of the property. Um, I thought that it would be more uh in I don't want to say the word intrusive, but just that it was going to
be closer to the neighbor on the um across the street on the Deer Crust side because their house seemed to be pretty close to the property line. Um however, even in drawing the updated plans with the setback, I don't think that the deer crust um setback would be affected at
all. So my concerns there um I I don't really have any concerns there. Um so yeah, I yeah, just I guess just kind of gi given that it's out since it is so the whole kind of the whole structure
now um kind of needs a variance as opposed to just partial. But um I I don't have any concerns I guess from across the street on the East Parkway side. >> Demetri >> uh I took a look at the property and as
I was saying earlier I assumed it was 50 ft too and I thought that you know by moving it back 10 more feet besides the 6.7 she moved it back that would really mitigate it almost eliminate the variance. But at this point even if you did that you're still going to have a
variance no matter what where you put it. And I know the trees are in the lined up the big ones right behind the rear of the existing twostory structure. So you could have moved it back and a little bit of grading and maybe a slight wall would have been able to mitigate
it. But I still think that even if you could move it back a few more feet, you know, five or 10 more feet, it would just be a little further away from the street. I noticed that neighborhood. But I drove through the neighborhood and I see a lot of homes that have been totally updated and they look like either they're brand new or totally
remodeled. So I think that that neighborhood is is getting elevated little by little. So why put a structure right there close to the street and kind of set the precedence for that? You know, you put it there and all these people fixing up their houses and making
all this improvement and yours garage is going to be 36 feet away from the street. So, I still would like to see it go back a little further. >> And you can do it without disturbing a tree, >> maybe a little bush. >> The only thing I would comment on is I
understand none of the neighbors had any problems with right where >> I don't go by the neighbors. I go by what's I see as a driving through. I assume that if I was living there, how would I feel? And I always try to protect the neighborhood, not an individual that happens to live next
door across the street today. and won't be there in a year or two. >> I I I agree. But the idea is if the neighbors there had a problem, they would have said we have a problem with it and we could have talked about it, but >> everybody has their own way of going on this, >> right? But if they did have a problem,
then it might be a noble versus a little bit of an adjustment. >> But the idea here is I think there's only one person on the other side of East Parkway east. There's only one house there. >> Is that correct? Um yes, as Mr. Luchiani described, which
is sort of behind the hill as um I know Mr. Bennet Polos, I hope I just call me. >> I hope I got close. >> My first name. Thank you, you were able to drive by the the property as well,
>> but if you attempted to move it back in that area and that is where your leech field is. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> Ordinance is not going to pick up. >> If you were to move it move this back uh
that there's an area that's right next to the house there. >> Yes. That's where the septic system >> it would and it would um as we discussed before it would impede the use of the existing driveway the ability um to walk
through and and similarly you know um along with our neighbors are you know observed coming to the property for those who were able to also like some significant improvements um into the neighborhood into the home and um and hopefully uh with this as well again as
a structure that would not have that's facing um any of the neighbors um and in other maximally functional ability to utilize the existing
property as well as neighborhood. >> Yes. So just to elaborate on what you just said. So, I think one of the points I I do see your uh is is pulling into the driveway from the side. If you brought the garage back any further, that would kind of eliminate the ability
of pulling in on the side of the garage there. >> The garage door then would like sort of have to be where it is currently, which is facing the current structure. The garage door faces >> and there's a neighbor across the street there.
>> So, this way it avoids that. It was our understanding that that was also part of the aesthetic design of soc. >> Now you won't have a problem uh turning in sideways. You have enough room there
to uh to make that turn into the garage. >> That's correct. backward. >> No, exactly. You're going to block that ability to drive, you know, and then kind of key turn on here back. >> Right. >> John, do you have any questions? >> Um, yes. I believe I heard you say a
minute ago that moving the garage structure backed us. It's not impeding use of the septic septic system, but the more you move it back, just the closer that it gets to the septic system.
>> That may be a question for the engineer. So they they would need to maintain a 10 foot set back from the leech field to the foundation wall. >> So approximately >> isn't shown here. So we don't know where >> it's shown on the survey >> on the survey map.
>> The the cleanouts there. I I expect that those are located on the >> I doubt with that configuration that they're located at the corners. So that's probably the So, so I think where they have it,
whether it's moved forward or back, they would still absolutely be able to maintain that separation. >> Any other questions, John? Um, >> and I believe I also heard you say a minute ago that
the way that you uh originally intended for the garage structure to be is cons you said is consistent with the aesthetic of the of the overall neighborhood. Could you explain that a little better to me, please? Sure.
>> Would it be helpful if I showed a couple of photos as well of sort of like our like circle radius neighborhood? Um >> I was at your neighborhood an hour. >> Sure. >> Same guy.
>> We'll mark these all the photos as 82. >> Okay. Thank you. Um so a couple photos here. So these are um I believe Thank you. Um, so this one, >> did you take these photos? >> Uh, my husband took these photos. >> What date was approximately? >> Um, approximately a week ago.
>> Okay. Just for the record, we have to say that. >> Sure. Sure. Um, I don't know if I can I'm just going to try to make them slightly larger. I'm not sure. >> Well, it should say on it what date it was taken, right? >> Well, I just downloaded them today, so it's showing the time is u today, but
>> probably 16. >> April 16. Can you blow it up to a homepage view? >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear the >> Can you blow it up to a full page view? >> I'm sure that I can. Bear with me for a second. >> Okay, that's great. >> Is that helpful? So, um, this one wanted
to provide as an example of one sort of garage doors facing the front of the property and two also um one of the existing properties at Birch Lane sort of it goes in about a circle. It's kind of a walking distance. I can put pull it up on Google as well. Um but again just um in terms of the setback that
currently exists and the variation and the setback that currently exists within the neighborhood. So thought that that was a helpful example. This one is um I believe three um and I'll pull up two different images. This is similarly um
an example of a twocar detached garage sort of within this one block radius um which is also similarly um just from an eye and observation um less than 75 ft. This is on um birch, white birch and birch. Three white birch. I can pull up
just to give you a sense of like what what I mean by neighborhood sort of within the block radiance. But um so this is um one I think I have two images. This is our neighbor across the street um uh Mr. Stillwell. And so again an example of like in this case the garage door being on the front of the
home and also the setback um from an eye perspective very very well below um 75 ft. Um, and I wanted to show another version of this. Uh, the three birch lane. I guess it's the same one.
Yeah. Thought I had another image of the three birch lane, but just to give you have a little bit of a sense there of the distance um or relatively short distance from the um so those are a couple examples of like few of the homes both
from the perspective of the setback, the perspective of detached garage and detached structures and and also um the perspective of garage door and the way that other homes in the neighborhood face it. um our intention to try to keep the garage door away again so that the
um experience is of um a home structure as opposed to um an accessory structure. >> Is that helpful? >> I understand I understand your point. >> Do you want me to Is it helpful if I pull up the white version just to give you a sense of like how close
>> Go ahead. >> So, just got to forgive me for a second because I always have a lot of windows open. I'll just do directions. >> Glad to see our uh technolog is working today, Arena. >> Yeah, >> much better than last week. >> I was doing so well up until that moment
and now it doesn't want to give me directions. So, I'll see if I can >> Are you using our internet or your own? >> I'm using my hotspot. Your internet. I was not able to um get as successful a connection. Warren, perhaps you can close your computer, please.
>> Give mommy the maximum capacity. But as it's loading, >> let's try to connect. I can just sort of verbally. So this is where are we? So deer crest
and so the home goes And as that loads, so Deer Crest that runs this way. We're right on the corner. So we're looking at a distance that looks like it's coming up here as.3 miles because as you go to White Birch Lane, that house that I was just describing with the green detached
garage is located right there. Sort of. It's like just circle of our our block if you will. So this is the approximate location of three birch lane. This is the um approximate location Stillwell builders of Mr. Stillwell's home. That was one of the ones that I observed. And then the other on White Birch Lane was
just approximately here. Um I believe it's eight white birch lane. Um that has the um that was the blue home with the twocar garage that was built less than the setback and also in that case the garage doors also facing the front the
road of the property. So just within within the block radius. >> Can I ask you a quick question? uh your neighbor across the street uh Parkway Place. They don't have a driveway out of Parkway, do they?
>> So, I'll try to show you here um just with my cursor because I know the tree coverage is quite difficult here. So, this is um going up to our driveway here >> and you make the left turn. We are the only driveway. The other two driveways to this home, for instance, um is
actually down here at the intersecting point of Parkway and Deerest. Both of these driveways are entered from right here. So none neither of those homeowners ever makes a left onto Deerest to get onto their property. >> So you can argue that that part of Parkway Place is really an extended
driveway for you. >> Correct. For all intents and purposes, you only make a left on Parkway Place if you're coming to our home. Um or if you're going to make a U-turn as we've observed the common thing. >> Okay. Thank you, John.
I think that's all I had. Moving along. Vincent, any questions? >> No questions. I would like to know the distance between the nearest corner of the proposed um
garage to the corner of the home. So, right where it says 80 ft, >> 80.4 So I if if you were to move it back as Dimmitri had suggested another five feet
let's say how much clearance would you be able to get a vehicle? >> So right now the distance between um here if you will as our architect has measured it is 12 feet to be able to get
a vehicle through. Um, so I would have to go back to the architect whether like of course as you move it and as you structure things. Um, >> so this was um designed in conversation with our architect in wanting to preserve the full use of the driveway. And so this is presently at 12 ft and
bringing the home and the garage into line and alignment on where the um cursor is located to try to move it back what we felt was um um above and beyond sort of the five feet that was originally suggested to move it back um
while maintaining again that full functionality of the driveway that currently exists both for the purposes of a driveway and also for the purposes of a passageway to be able to utilize the front of the home. Sure. Which is um an existing patio and and in which we're
improving with um uh a beautiful porch. >> It does scale. >> Yeah. Like 12. >> So I'm trying to just re recall my visit here and I'm looking at this uh photo on the front here that Jean took for us. Is it does the driveway go back that behind
the garage that square that almost rectangle is that all propo is that proposed driveway or is that the existing driveway that's there right now? All that area there. Yes, that all that what is that right there? >> Yeah, this is existing. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> So I guess what Dimmitri has said is
because the where are the trees then? Where are the two large trees that >> they're right on the Exactly. They're right on the edge of the driveway. >> Okay. And when your architect was working with you that you just the idea of never just
putting the garage right next to the house was was just something that he didn't recommend. >> It was um one of the things that we discussed but for the purposes of the items that we've mentioned which is one the sort of like ability to sort of use the full outdoor space relatively
seamlessly. Um as that's one of the attractive features of of being in a community like this is that outdoor passageway. The use of the garage that's there. And then again, doing our best to try to keep as much of the mature um landscape as possible, knowing how
difficult it is to we've got a tree going from one of our acorns. Um I'm proud to say we collected about 20 acorns. We've got one that's about yay high right now. So like but that's far and away from where we felt we could get. Um, and of course I understand that
there are trade-offs and and different things, but um, as we were proposing this plan, we were trying to do our best to both maximize um, the existing functionality of the property. Um, maximize what we could protect of the
like landscape and that wonderful experience of being in Homeell and walking up to properties and in particular for our property as well. When you come up on Deer Crest, we have all these beautiful trees. Um, and then similarly to be improving our property um, for the community, for our family's use, um, and having the aesthetic match
within the aesthetic of like as you're driving around the neighborhood, you're not viewing like a garage structure, you're viewing what looks like what will look like, you know, matching our home. Um, so for those reasons, um, this was what we felt we wanted to propose, um,
in consultation with our architect and also taking into consideration all the septic and and other things that we didn't want to serve. Um, yes. And if we were to just use that one little space before all that trees, that would be a onecar garage, which would be the reduction from the one and a half to a one. And so
we're proposing to again, our plan would be to then submit construction permit, amend our construction permits to be able to >> because sideways allows you to get two cars in there versus this point. Yeah. Okay. >> Exactly. >> Uh, Vincent, do you have any other questions? No, you know, considering uh other homes in the vicinity are also not
meeting the standards, I I I would ultimately like to see it move back slightly as Demetria suggest suggested, but I mean three or four feet between friends. >> Okay, >> I'm satisfied. Thanks. And Lori,
>> my only thing when I walked the property and I listened to the testimony was initially thinking, why wouldn't you try to attach it to the house? That was my logical thing since the driveway went all the way up. And I think aesthetically probably would have looked a lot better than two buildings on the
property. I think you've explained it because I think it would have to be wider. I think you're the garage that you meant here would have had to be wider to get the second car in. So, I guess I understand that. I'm not sure. You still couldn't attach it and
make the structure a little wider and still be within 75 ft. I think it would be close. Um, that was my only thing is the need. Was there really a need for a separate structure? I did drive around. I did note that there were other homes that have separate structures. I just I
always question that when people try to put a second structure on their property. Is that a need or is that was that an old house that that's the way it was and that's what these people bought? Um, you know, I'm not a huge fan of the separate structure. I understand everything you're saying. I still would
have liked to see it wider and attached to the original house. >> Of course, if they did make it wider, >> uh, you would go down the you would have to do things with with the elevation and retaining walls, etc., right? to because
you do have a sort of steep decline right there. >> That's correct. >> And they still need a variance because it wouldn't be the 75 ft. >> Yeah. >> You wouldn't have to put a retaining wall. You just put a bigger footing on that side of the garage. >> I think it's close on the 75 ft. It
depends on how much wider because this is 112. So I think you're close. >> Albert, feel free to jump in >> on which part. I I agree with what you're saying. That's what I was trying to >> Yeah. You don't really need a retaining wall. You just need a little bit higher
>> foundation on that side of the garage. >> Yes. >> But I mean, just if you look at it, I mean, everybody's talking about attaching. And we're not here to redesign your plan. For whatever reason, you want it attached. But it would be almost where that line that you see coming out, that's about 23 feet. And if
you spin the garage around, for the doors to be in the front, you need like 25 ft. So it would almost be at the same spot even if you didn't go all the way back to the trees and it went halfway and it juted out halfway into the house and halfway out. It would probably my
opinion only my opinion it would look better from all my construction business that I've done. But I mean I understand what you want and it's what you want doesn't matter what I think it looks like. I'm just concerned to mitigate the look from the road and I know there's a gate there but things change in life. So
that could be taken out tomorrow if somebody from the township or road department felt they wanted to have it open again. So even though right now you're a dead end street pretty much, you never know what happens in the future. So I always look at the future and the possibilities. People look at
fields behind the backyard and say, "Oh, I my backyard I got a beautiful open farm. All of a sudden now they have a huge building going behind there." So they didn't realize that when they bought the house. So >> ple please don't build a building in our in our backyard. No, I'm not I'm not saying that. But there are other
applications we had where people >> thought they had a beautiful field and now they have a big tall building going behind their house and they're upset. >> Yeah, I understand. And that was part of what we understand to be like this oddity of the front of the home. I guess it was the first home in we were told that it was the first home in the
neighborhood and it looked out on all farmland and that's why they designed the front of the home so that you would sit and enjoy the front of the home looking out onto the farmland that no longer exists because it is now a community. >> So again, just to not to repeat
ourselves or myself, if you can put it back a few more feet, whatever it is would be helpful for the look of the neighborhood. That's how I look at it. And I think you can because I looked at it pretty closely. You might have to put a higher foundation wall on one side of
the garage, but you could do it easily. >> A few more feedback. That's my onlybody else. >> If if I could, Mr. Chairman, just to comment further and I completely agree because I've seen things like gates go up and come down things change. uh the
survey that was submitted and I believe the lady that testified the neighbor last time indicated that that part of the right away was vacated. So uh it looks like the township at some point intend to vacate that vaccin. >> So your conclusion is what exactly does
that mean? >> It looks like that gate is going to stay. >> It's not being it can't be removed, right? It it would it would take some type of condemnation. Okay. It would appear to get that back. >> Okay. >> Well, what I was going to say is, you know, I appreciate the extra week. I appreciate the, you know, permission to
go on on a site and look at everything and I and I see the work you're doing on a home, which is, I think, definitely an improvement to Homeell. So, I appreciate that and I understand your testimony here. Whereas, you want the garage coming into the side, you know, almost looking like another structure part of the home that's not just a garage. That
looks like something more than a garage blowing into the side there. Um, you know, I I I I I do agree, Dimmitri, if you can, and I saw it. If you can get it back five feet, I mean, I don't know how we put this as a condition. If we vote on as condition, I mean, you know, I I,
you know, I I feel like, you know, I'd like to, you know, offer up a variance here. The less of the variance, um, possible would be great. Um, but I do understand, you know, the perspective of keeping the trees and not taking down any trees and and and not having the
garage facing the road. And I do understand, you know, looking at the the property, your neighbor is the only one behind you and it's not really going to look that bad from the street view from behind the house. So, I um, you know, I'm inclined to vote on this today uh,
if if the rest of the board is and um, unless there's any more comments. Well, maybe she wants to discuss with her husband. >> Do you want to >> or do you want to stay as is >> with your application right now? Like would do you want to talk to your husband about moving it back another four or five feet in case that may um
you know move some of the votes on the board or or do you want to just vote on it as is right now the way you have the the plan set up? >> You already sworn you're still under >> come with the microphone. Yeah. The only thing I was going to say is that the structure was moved back six feet. >> I know.
>> And that makes it so that the garage is basically a line with the existing structure. You go if you draw a line. >> Yeah, I can see that. >> Straight across, >> right? >> Which provides you, you know, access to that that small area.
>> I thought I would talk really loud. I apologize. I'm used to >> it's it's for the public to hear. >> No, speak loud. I'm sorry. Um, so like I think that pushing it further back, you start getting into like the steep steepness over there and I also think that you start approaching some of the
some of the trees and the wilderness that you have already there. So, as far as like access of passage, I think we pushed it back because I did I was honest, you know, Miss Genard, she asked me that question last week and
I was honest with you said I I believe my architect has another five feet. He found six. >> I think it was Miss Campus because I wasn't present last week. So, I was like, >> it was Francine. It was >> she's not present >> and she was beautiful. So, I just assumed it was the same person.
Um, no. But seriously, so I I I stated that we had five feet because originally was drawn at 30 feet point I think five or six something like that and I went back to my architect immediately and I said, "What do you have to get me?" And that's as far as he could push back. So
I mean I guess the quick and easy answer is I think we want to vote on this >> as is >> as as is because I don't know that there's more space to go. I mean >> the shed the shed is 8 ft as I
understand it. So the total structure so I think it's 8 feet. >> Where's the shed? >> Where is the shed? >> That little lip that little lip help. >> So I mean I can ask to see if we can get the shed further over. But I still think you create passive issues.
>> So that's why I'm inclined to say I asked my architect to go as far back as possible, you know, hearing the concerns of this board. And so I I did my best. I made my best effort, you know, one to mark the the area so you can get a
perspective and then I ask for as much space as they would have given the topography of the land and the existing foliage and wilderness there. So So the answer is you want to you want to
continue the way you redesign That's all we need to know. >> Okay. So, Marty, there are no conditions being added to this vote tonight. >> I would just add u if it's approved, we add a condition. If this gets corrected
and Mr. Chairman, the applicant previously agreed to several items in my report, including a recharge system. >> Okay. Thank you. >> To accommodate that, as well as technical things. >> Okay. So, uh, how do we word that,
Marty? >> All right. Um, so I think we there's I will just open up the public if there's anyone in the public that want to speak. Um, and seeing none, we will close the public portion of this hearing. Uh, Mr. Maloney, go ahead.
>> Just one moment to speak. >> Sure. Go ahead. >> And and and just and our engineer also said I think there was an agreement to do a u submitting us plan or we'll take five minute break.
>> So are we videoing and