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Okay. >> Okay. All right. >> Wait for Marty. everyone to the zoning board of adjustment regular meeting for July 15th, 2026. Um, can we Francine, can we

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have a call order? I hereby announce pursuant to section five of the open public meetings act that adequate notice of this meeting has been transmitted on January 14, 2026 by the board administrative officer to the Asbury Park Press, the Two River Times, the

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township clerk clerk, and has been posted in the meeting room and in the entrance hall and town hall. All pursuant to section 13 of the open public meetings act. >> Thank you, Francine. Ireina, can we do roll call, please? >> Mr. Burkel, >> present. Miss Campus >> present.

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>> Miss Gerard >> present. >> Mr. Luchiani >> present here. >> Mr. Marzoka is absent. Mr. Gian Paulo >> present. >> Mr. Oranita Pulos >> here. >> Miss Castello >> present. >> And Mr. Arnon >> here. >> Uh we have a quorum. Thank you.

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>> Thank you Arena. Um could we please stand for the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for a moment of silence to honor the military, police, first responders, and those serving overseas. I allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Um, I don't believe there are any resolutions to approve tonight. >> That is correct, Mr. Okay. So, we'll move on to the minutes. We We're going

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to vote on one set of minutes for the regular session and the executive session for June 24th, 2026. And I think only one person can't vote. >> I would do it separately. >> Oh, we do. We are doing them separately. I thought

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I thought you do it together. >> No, because se Yeah, because Mr. or Mr. Orphan cannot vote. So, >> do we have a motion? Actually, first before we do that, any edits or comments on the minutes from June 24th? Anyone?

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If not, can I have a motion to approve the minutes from June 24th, 2026, regular session? >> I'll vote to approve the minutes. >> Second. >> Arena, can we have a vote? Call. >> Mr. Arnon,

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>> yes. >> Miss Castello, >> yes. >> Miss Campus, >> yes. >> Mr. Gian Paulo, >> yes. >> Mr. Mr. Oran Pulos. >> Yes. >> Mr. Luchiani. >> Yes. >> Miss Gherard. >> Yes. >> And Mr. Burkel. >> Yes. >> Minutes were successfully approved.

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>> Okay. Were there any edits or comments to the executive session of the June 24th, 2026 minutes by anyone on the board? That being uh there being none, can I have a motion to approve the June 24th, 2026 executive session minutes?

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>> I'll make a motion to approve them. >> I'll second it. Arena, we have a little vote. >> Uh, Mr. Arnon, >> uh, Miss Castello, >> yes. >> Miss Campus, >> yes. >> Mr. Gian Paulo, >> yes. >> Mr. Luchiani, >> yes.

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>> Miss Gerard, >> yes. >> And Mr. Burkel, >> yes. >> For the record, June 24th, 2026, regular and executive session. Minutes were successfully approved. Thank you. >> Thank you, Arena. Francine, can you please read the public hearing item

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items we're going to hear tonight? Item number one, zoning board of adjustment, 2025-2, Maria Cody's, 33 Bay Drive, Homeell, New Jersey, RTH zone. The applicant is requesting a variance for the

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installation of a rear pa patio around the pool located approximately 1 foot off the property line and increasing lot coverage by exceeding 30% will not be heard and will be carried to the August 5th, 2026 meeting.

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>> Thank you, Francine. Um, do we have the motion to carry this meeting to the August 5th, 2026? I have a motion. Could I >> without further notice? >> Could I have a question? >> Of course. >> What do we have for August 5th already?

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>> We have on the agenda uh two items. We have the uh five is it 8 Bay Drive patio. >> No, that's this application that will be carried. >> And then there's also the Coptic Church.

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Uh Coptic Church um >> which most likely will be will be carried to another day. >> Okay. So is available? >> Yes. Yes. >> We haven't received any new plans from the >> church. No. No.

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>> Uh anything else, Jean? >> Yeah. I'll move to to the meeting >> to carry the meeting to August 67 2026 meeting without what? >> August 5th. My eyesight is terrible. August 5th. Uh without further notice.

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>> A second, please. I'll second it. All in favor? >> I. >> Thank you. >> Francine, do you want to read item number two? >> Sony board of adjustment 2026-03. An application for bulk or C variance

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relief and such other relief as the board or its consultants may deem necessary. Honeycomb Estates 3 LLC to permit the installation of an ingground swimming pool and a pertinent features.

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The property located at 798 Homedale Road, lot 31.03 in block 29. The property is situated within the R4A zone. This will not be heard and will be carried to the August 5th, 2026 meeting.

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>> And I have a motion to carry this item number two to the August 5th, 2026 meeting without further notice. >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second it. >> Thank you. >> All in favor? >> I >> Thank you. and Francine number three, please.

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>> Okay. Zoning Board of Adjustment 2025-02 24 Shank Road, Homedale, New Jersey 07733. Said premises are also known as block 17, lot three in Homeell, New Jersey, and are located within the R40B zoning

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district. The applicant is seeking preliminary and final site plan with use and both variance approval to convert the residential dwelling into a private outdoor learning center and daycare which are not permitted uses in within

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the R40B zone. The applicant also proposes to construct an additional parking area and driveway. The second floor of the building will be used to store clothing and supplies for the nonprofit village foster closet. Okay. Thank you, Francine. Uh, Mr.

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Alfieri, we have heard this application back in June of 2025, and we've have some new new members here that weren't here present for that meeting. Could you start off giving us a recap, a brief, you know, uh, summary of what we heard uh, almost well over a year ago?

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>> Certainly, chairman. Good evening, chairman, members of the board. Dante Alfuri on behalf of the applicant. Um, as was introduced, we are here on behalf of Tranquil Inspirations, Inc. Um, as the chairman stated, we were here back in, I believe it was June of 2025. Um, at that meeting, we were presenting an

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application where we're pres we are proposing to have a residential dwelling conversion to a private outdoor learning center and child care center. Um, at the time there was also a secondary tenant who was occupying the second floor for

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uh foster um clothing. uh that tenant is no longer there. So that that is no longer part of this application. The application now is just surrounding the outdoor center and um childcare daycare center. Um at that prior meeting there

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was questions from the board with regards to the circulation and the parking. Um we took those to heart. We went back to the drawing board, made some significant changes to the plan itself. I do have three individuals to provide testimony tonight. I do have the principal of the applicant who's going

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to provide a statement to the board which will detail the the operations of the site itself. Um and then I also have our engineer to touch on the engineering changes. We're not going to get into too much detail from the prior applica or the first portion of the application because a lot of the changes um took

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place that modified it significantly. And then we do have our planner, Miss Capone, who's going to provide testimony with relation to the planning side of things. And Marty, just to be clear, we're this is a continuing >> hearing as amended. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> As as they're going to present that

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test. >> Yes. >> And we have uh it's a it's a it's a new year and we also have a new uh engineer ourselves. So we're going to swear in our professionals now just for the record and ask it just to confirm there's no conflicts. Have we asked this last time? You're not aware of any conflict? >> Not aware of any conflict.

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>> Board members conflicts. Uh we already talked about this prior board member but no one has a conflict and >> we've gone through that also recently so we know what the rules are. >> Um so I'll swear in our professionals swear to tell the truth about the truth of helping God with regards application.

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>> For the record our professionals are sworn. >> Thank you. So I have Miss Perez here who is the principal of the applicant. She has a statement that she has prepared um which will detail her um the proposed use itself and then touch on some of the operations of the the site and then like

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I said we'll also have our our professionals come up and touch on site plan and then the variance relief being sought. >> Great couple new members and it's a year I'm going to swear all your witnesses again. You swear to tell the truth about the

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truth of how we got. >> And just for the record, just spell your name. >> Spell my name. >> Yes, please. >> Jill. J I L L Perez. P E R E. >> We ask every Thank you. >> Go ahead, Jill. >> Take it away. >> Yep. >> Oh, just go ahead. Thank you. Um, so

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yes, I started this application five years ago, so thank you for hearing it um another time. And when I started it, both Loretta and Bonnie were working in the zoning office. And honestly, they were cheerleaders as I submitted this. So, I'm very grateful for that. And I'm grateful. It's been a journey. I've met

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so many wonderful people. So, thank you for being here today to help with this application. Um, it actually Tranquil Inspiration has evolved because it is now a nonprofit. It's a 501c3 and its mission is to provide a learning and garden space that encourages a return to

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connection, purpose, and the simple act of creating with our hands. At the forefront is land stewardship and promoting essential life skills to strengthen families and communities. And I hope to convey to you, the board, that this endeavor provides an intrinsic

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value to our community by advancing outdoor education, fostering environmental stewardship, encouraging self-sufficiency, and honestly, as a lifelong resident of New Jersey, the preservation of the Garden State. So, I do have a statement. I want you to

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hear my heart, but I also have many points written because I want to convey this after five years. There's so much that I just want to get out there. Tranquil Inspirations was created really from the deepest place in my heart to serve our community and respond to the growing needs of our children. As both a

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parent and a teacher, I can no longer ignore the increasing number of children facing chronic conditions such as allergies, asthma, autism, ADHD, anxiety, and other health challenges. Through my own research, personal myself, I have a nut allergy and have

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changed things myself to understand that and observations, I've come to believe that many of these issues stem from a growing disconnection from nature. As a society, we have drifted away from the simple healing gifts that surround us every day. The warmth of sunlight, the calming presence of trees, the vitality

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of plants, and the restorative rhythm of the natural world. In their place, we have witnessed rising levels of stress, anxiety, and chronic illness. And nature is really a solution without any side effects. Tranquil Teachings is an invitation to return to simplicity, to

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reconnect with nature, and to embrace timeless truths that nurture the mind, body, and spirit. It's rooted in the belief that when children are given opportunities to slow down, explore the natural world, experience the moments of peace and wonder, they will tr thrive.

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My hope is that Tranquil Inspirations becomes a place where families, educators, and children can rediscover the healing power of nature, cultivate resilience, and build a healthier, more balanced future, where outdoor education is viewed as inherently beneficial. Outdoor education is not simply

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recreation. It's an investment in public health, community well-being, and future generations. Research from the world's blue zones, where people routinely live longer, healthier lives, consistently point to the daily interactions with nature through activities such as gardening and walking as part of a

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healthy lifestyle. Time spent outdoors increases physical activity, encourages vitamin D production, reduces stress, supports healthy breathing, and decreases screen time. In just a few generations, we have evolved into a culture where our children can identify

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corporate logos, logos, uh, consumer brands more readily than they can the plants, leads, and leaves and seeds that produce their food and sustain life. This disconnect has had consequences. Teaching young people how food grows, how ecosystems function, and how to care

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for land builds knowledge, resilience, and appreciation for the environment. Our logo involves the dandelion and I think it's a best example out there because the perception of the dandelion is one of a weed but in reality it's a

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model of resilience, adaptability. It provides us with food and medicine and in fact the entire plant is edible. Its roots, its leaves and its flower and its life cycle when we look at it the flower, the bright yellow flower is the sun and the delicate seed head is the moon. And then when you disperse those

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seeds and you blow them into the wind, it's the stars. It's the first plant that grows after a long winter because it's designed to cleanse the lever lever after a cold season that's absent of fruits and vegetables. Instead of seeing this valuable health benefit, modern

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society destroys it with pesticides. And this is especially concerning in light of a Supreme Court hearing ruling in which now Bearer is shielded from lawsuits from his product roundup. We are living in an age where seed patents, corporate control of agriculture, the

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prevalence of seedless produce has significantly impacted the quality of our food. Respectively, as a teacher, I personally feel that the most important lesson facing future generations is the role that seeds play in maintaining healthy ecosystems and food security. Seeds themselves represent the

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foundation of life. Understanding where our food comes, why biodiversity matters, and the importance of preserving seed varieties has become even more relevant. In addition to outdoor education, Tranquil Inspirations will provide hands-on instruction in practical life skills that have become

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less common in educational settings. Programs such as home economics, woodworking, food preservation, and promoting well-being. skills that complement traditional academics connecting connects the theory to the real world application. These

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lessons build confidence through experience experiential learning while developing an appreciation for craftsmanship, sustainability, and the value of producing rather than simply consuming. By preserving and teaching these essential life skills, we work to ensure that generational knowledge is

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not lost, but instead continues to benefit the public for years to come. This mission is deeply personal to me. Years when I purchased the property, I made a promise to the Mensel family that I would continue their legacy of gardening and educating future generations about the importance of

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agriculture and environmental stewardship. Our educational approach is holistic. It inspires youth to appreciate local farmland, understand where the food comes from, and be responsible caretakers of the land. Through these experiences, we hope Tranquil Inspirations will become a

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respected and valued asset within our community. Furthermore, the operations at Tranquil Inspirations are designed to complement, not burden, the surrounding area. Activities will be conducted in a manner that minimizes traffic, noise, and any other inconvenience, ensuring the quality of life for neighboring

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residents is preserved. Ultimately, this application represents a forward-looking investment rooted in tradition, education, and environmental responsibility. It fosters the development of informed, capable, and resilient individuals while honoring New Jersey agricultural heritage as a

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garden state. So, just wanted to get all that information out there because this is deeply personal to me. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jill. Uh, >> Perez, >> at this point, I think, uh, we'll open up to the board if any questions for the board for Miss Perez.

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>> Yeah, I have a question. Uh, we have Pal is light. Yeah. Well, there's a red light on it. Uh yeah, we have Homedale Park and we have Bayonite Farms. Uh and they have a a large area that people can use.

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Uh why wouldn't you, uh try to operate out of one of those places where you could hand you could impact a lot more people? >> Well, I believe that maintaining this existing farmland, right? So, it's three acres and when I had met with the owner,

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you know, he had offers to sell the house and everybody just wanted to knock down the house and not encourage the agricultural component. And I just think having another farm is important, right? Wherever we can garden is necessary. And so, this provides us with the opportunity to have classrooms, to store

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materials, to have teachers on a regular basis provide these skills. So, I do think that that this personalizes the experience and it absolutely maintains the garden aspect of our town. So, the more we can preserve all these homes that were built in 1880 on these beautiful pieces of land, I think the

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more it's going to benefit our community and it allows our children to kind of have this stake um in something that they can regularly visit. I know the park they can go to as well, but now they're associating different teachers and different experiences and seeing their role in this part of state. So, I

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think it's necessary that we preserve as much land as possible. >> Jean, any more questions? >> Uh, no. Uh, okay. It's mostly about preserving land. I mean, you could do this somewhere else that that's already

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established, right? Like Bayonet Farms or Park. >> You know, I what happens as well is our teachers are there. They're preserving seeds. We're we want to incorporate classes like sewing and kneading uh knitting which you know is something we're trying to preserve as well. So

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storing all these materials having this children come you know there's a kitchen in the house so we would like to have some small groups cooking as well. So the building lends itself to having these experiences and again when schools when I went to school I had homeck I had

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sewing. It's not there anymore. So we are trying to bring that back. You know I'm I'm a teacher. I've been teaching for 25 years. I taught at Ruckers at the Graduate School of Education for 10 years. I did supervision for Satan Hall and I've seen schools change and I really feel that this needs to be brought back and so we're we're trying

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to create that environment. >> Jean, any more questions? >> Uh, not at this time. >> Okay. Um, you know, I was actually thinking, uh, before we actually ask more questions from the board, Kate, do you want to give, um, Miss Keller, do you want to give a a response, a kind of

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summary of all the what the variances are entailing here, what they're requesting, and what the criteria for uh, variance relief would be. >> I'll give a brief summary of that because I know their planner is here tonight, and I, you know, I want to let her do that part tonight. Um, but I'll give a brief summary, but I actually,

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that's a good segue because Jill, thank you for your testimony. um appreciate the information and I'm sorry to bring it to kind of like the the boring not boring but the less heartfelt side of it but I just wanted some clarification on exactly what uses you are proposing

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here. So because at the first application you know you you had the outdoor component you had a daycare facility and then you also had um you know we the whole thing with the village foster closet which I understand is no longer part of it. Um

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uh sorry, hold on. Um so then, um but the question is and and I I looking at the newly resubmitted application materials, I I thought that it was just the outdoor component, but in your introduction, Mr. Alfier did mention the daycare. So, you know, how is that going

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to operate? Because like um we this was I this was in my first letter. I took it out of my second letter because I thought that it wasn't proposed anymore. Um, but essentially I believe that the way that they've been operating the daycare now is that there's a specific type of daycare use that's limited to a

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certain number of children that is permitted without any type of regulation in all single family residential zones in New Jersey if it is operating out of a personal home. So obviously once this kind of switches over that will no

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longer apply here. So if you and so you know you are you're able to run a family daycare in a uh which is a definition by the state in a single family home and you know but this would no longer qualify as that if if this userian was granted and the property were to be um

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you know used as a for the outdoor learning program. So I know it's a little complicated and I know that I you know I I think that they are fairly similar. They're kind of complimentary uses, but just for the record, I just want everyone to be clear about what is going what is proposed to be going on on

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the site. Um, I think, you know, I appreciate all of the new information you gave about I think they they've lowered the number of students per class, things like that in response to board comments, but um, this this will have an impact on what variances are technically required and maybe so I just want to be sure.

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>> Sure. So we Tranquil Teachings and Tranquil Inspirations are two separate entities, >> two separate entities. >> So Tranquil Teachings is an LLC and that operates at 146 Route 34, New Jersey. >> And we actually just purchased square

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additional square footage in that building. >> And for the board's knowledge, this is the office building. This is the office building >> that is next to this or pretty pretty much it's directly the store, right? It's directly adjacent on 34 at the corner of Shank and 34. So, you know, we

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we were asked to help some families out with child care. Um, and again, I'm a teacher. So, as children have needs, that's what I do. It's just how I operate. And so, seeing that more families have these needs, you know, I was keeping the daycare to the the five

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child um maximum. And we have purchased this unit to begin the process of creating a daycare in the building. So in the commercials building >> in the commercials building. Okay. That it has not happened yet. That's going to be a long I don't want to say I don't know how long. I mean this is taking me

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five years but I know it's not going to happen overnight. Um so eventually those children will be moved into the main building. Correct. As of right now we're still utilizing that space and you know it is just a very small group of

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children. So, you know, I did create a schedule and such that if we had classes, outdoor classes for little ones, again, similar in age, it wouldn't interfere with the drop off of those of the the daycare. >> I'm sorry. So, so you're you're saying

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until you finalize the use of the new space at on the 34 Route 34 building, you're going to be having tranquil teachings students at the hall. >> No. So, oh, so, so, >> so it's a Okay. So, and I'm sorry, I'm not trying to muddy the waters. I do want

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>> I don't think you are. I just I want to make this as easy for you because I'm just going to go ahead and say that anything that's not happening on this property, we are not concerned with. Okay. >> If it's all staying next door, then that's great. >> Eventually, those students will be moving next door. >> But, but where are the students now? >> They are at the house right now. >> So, they're at the house right now.

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Okay. Correct. And so, okay. So, this is all kind Okay. This Thank you. Okay. Appreciate it. So, that's where it kind of becomes like a little >> Right. It's all kind of like a timing thing. Um, one thing I would recommend, maybe the board would approve it as like a um, if you were to look at it almost like a temporary use until the space

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next door could be sec to be finalized. I will also note, you know, I can't say for sure. I don't know the site, but um, child care is a permitted use in all non-residential zones in the state of New Jersey. So, at least you have that going for you. So, but okay. So, that Thank you. I understand that. Um

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>> so yes the goal is not to keep our child care there but it has served that purpose the ultimate goal is to focus on outdoor education. >> Okay because my the main concern when it comes to this is both from the land use perspective and you know just looking at it from the variances is having what is

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technically two uses on one property because you like you know I know they're really similar but the people they're coming at different times it's different different teachers versus caregivers. it really is technically two two different things. So that's all that I wanted to clarify. Um you know maybe we can talk

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more if if board looks to maybe talk more about like what that schedule would look like because I would recommend looking at it more of as a temporary use in which the township would have you know would be you could check in you know we could we could figure something out rather than it being permanent there. >> And I did prepare a schedule. So the way

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we want to operate is there's a lot of mud citch happening, right? So little ones really walkers to age five. They're they're meeting in locations. A lot of times they're meeting at ch churches, but they're outside and parents stay with the children and they do different

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activities outside. You know, I mean, when I was younger, we just played in the mud, but now these are supervised activities where there is a teacher present. um they'll do a morning song and then they're just playing out in the mud kitchens and then they close and they leave and it's about a 45minute class. So what Tranquil Inspirations

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wanted to do was create two of these classes each day and then have an afterchool activity that's open to the public and then on weekends have workshops. So essentially we were looking to have two outdoor mud kitchens

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throughout the week for ages 1 to five. Again, varying levels for each of those classes. After school activities, so the kids who are in public schools or other schools could enjoy gardening or sewing or cooking. And then on the weekends, we would open it up to different types of workshops that again support this type

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of natural learning. So that's how the property would be used. Plus, you know, there's a garden there. So there, you know, ongoing there will be people in the garden assisting. Um, and >> for clarity, if we could, it's Monday through Friday. You're proposing two

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tranquil seedlings each day, >> correct? Yeah. And actually Saturday as well. So two classes um a day, Monday through Saturday and then in the afternoons we would have two workshops on Saturdays and Sundays. >> And how many children would be

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participating in those classes at a time? >> So 10 children. And that's why we created a parking as such. So the the parking lot has um space for 12 people. So, two teachers and then 10 families attending those events. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. And so, I just want to just for

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the board's knowledge. Um, I would recommend, you know, there there's this kind of a statement of this use on the cover sheet of the site plans. It's a little different than what you just said. I would go by what Miss Pres's testimony just was because what I'm hearing is that there'll be three class. I'm not really concerned about what time

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the classes are as long as they're in that 9 to 6:15 kind of slot that you have there. So, that's fine. you have three classes per day on weekdays, which is what it states on here, but then also up to four on Saturdays and Sundays. >> Okay, this says this has three classes Monday through Saturday. So, we just

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want to clarify that there will be weekend activities. >> Um, Saturday I just also have three classes. So, it's two of the mud kitchens and then a workshop in the afternoon. Okay. So, and then on Sunday I really just have a workshop. >> Oh, wait. Oh, so I thought you Sorry, I thought you said you said you you said two of each on Saturday and Sunday.

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Okay. So, let's just The only thing that needs to change on here, it just needs to say up to three times per day, Monday through Saturday, and then, you know, one class on Sunday. >> I I also have copies of the schedule. >> Yeah. No, that's fine. That's fine. Okay, great. Yeah, maybe submit that as an exhibit, Marty, because that way that

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can supersede this um this this this table in here. >> So, I have a question for you. >> Sure. >> If we approve this, is it approved to the use that you just described? >> Your microphone. I would recommend that Miss Perez think about what she would like to be doing in

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five years. Um, and be honest with the board about that because I think, you know, and look, I I this isn't like going to be some like not going to be Grand Central Station over there. But um you know I think just for your sake and just for growing your business you know just growing it just for everybody's knowledge that you know if these are

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really successful and you want to have one more medk kitchen a day I don't really think that has that big of an impact techn in my opinion if you're just adding one class or something like that especially if it's between this certain time um you know but I would so that that I agree >> it's just a little confusing that why do

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we have to have a limitation you know the school's hours might be let's say 9 to5 period >> yes and she can have as many classes as she wants in that period. >> I agree. >> So why are we getting into nitpicking how many classes, what type of classes >> because it was offered by the applicant. >> So you made a big mistake. You should

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have said 9 to5 classes. That's it. >> Yeah. And and I'm not trying to I mean again I'm looking at the community in terms of what's being asked, what the need is. And that's another reason why it has evolved. Originally 5 years ago, I did not think I'd be doing >> No, no, no. I >> No. The reason I'm jumping in here is we

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don't want the applicant to apply for a certain thing >> and then find out now she's limited and then she has to come back and spend more money to change and well I added one more class I did this. So >> I agree >> if we're going to do this and give you this application and approve it and I'm not saying we are or we're not but we

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should approve it for a school like you're having or whatever you want to call it nursery school or earth school whatever the name of the school is besides the tranquil and not worry about how many classes you're going to have. I mean that's my feeling >> and Kate can you simply sorry Mr. Gakus

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>> not to get into the engineering too too quickly as I know Mr. French is going to testify. But part part of what we need to consider too is the actual impact per class. And I mean they're providing parking, right, for the the teachers, parents that are going to be there. So

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there's not that much turnover with 10 cars over an hour class. >> Yes. And I think that we'll hear I think we'll hear testimony tonight about the new parking layout because I know that was a concern last time. But um Demetri, I generally agree with you. I think that as long as they get there's hours of

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operation and that, you know, the board is comfort and Al is comfortable with um, you know, how drop off will work, I don't really see the need to regulate it past that because she also has a certain amount of staff and everything. >> Miss Keller, very simply though, we are

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voting tonight on a D1 use variance to allow a daycare facility with more than five children. Is that what we're voting on tonight? >> No. >> Okay. >> So, >> Okay. [laughter] So for the board, very very simply for the board, >> I was about to Thank you, Jason. I was

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about to go into this. So based on the Thank you, Joel. I think we're good for now. So based on the testimony, you know, that was given today and based on the review of your application, the applicant is seeking D1 use variance approval um to permit an outdoor learning center for children um school

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age and younger. Right, Jill? There'll be children up to like 13ish. Sorry. I think I think there'll be Sorry, Jill. It would be school age children too, right? >> Yes. Okay. So, I mean essentially I don't want to oper operate at night. So, yes, it would be daylight hours. Those

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hours may be a little bit longer in the summer, but it would just be daylight and the schedule was based on that traffic pattern. Okay. That students would be dropped off at Tranquil Teachings next door at a certain time and then therefore I was if I was operating the mud kitchen, those children would be coming at a time that

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wouldn't be busy for our operations next door. So that's why I did put a lot of time and attention into the schedule so that it would coordinate nicely with other drop off and pickup times. >> I think I think that that's fine if it's up to you and I agree with Demetri. You know, if you want to, you know, you get demand for one more class class a day. I

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don't think that that's a big issue. So we don't want you to have to run into trouble with that if the board were to approve this tonight. So anyway, sorry. Um so the applicant is seeking D1 use fairings approval for to permit an outdoor learning center for up to uh say maximum of 10 children um approximately

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10 children whatever the board feels comfortable with um at this site. The other thing that I want to also note that was mentioned earlier is that I think as part of this variance, you would also want to incorporate the temporary operation of a daycare center

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or a child care center because that is what um Jill has stated. We're not sure how long that's going to go for, but I think that it it technically is a different use. It's regulated under kind of different ways. Um, and it and I think that that's something where the board could put a kind of like a a

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sunset provision on it if you felt comfort if you felt the need for it or you know if you wanted if you think it's fine you could let her run it in perpetuity out of there. That would be for the board to consider but that's not what she's proposing tonight. >> I understand that but I'm still confused. So let's say it's a rainy day. The kids are not going to come inside that day or you're just going to cancel

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the class. >> They're going to wear rain boots and rain coats and class will happen. That that's part of what this is all about. But why wouldn't they want to possibly go inside or something? >> Because that's not what these classes are. They're specifically outdoor focused and they're about the elements.

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>> Oh, I get it. >> And there is a barn area mentioned of a cooking class. And so is that indoor or outdoor? >> So that would be indoor. That would be one of the after school activities. So in terms of the little ones to five, it would be outdoor mud kitchens. And there is a barn area that has an overhang as

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well. So we could move in there also. But then there would be after school activities that children in public school could participate in after hours because those classes are not being offered. >> It's sort of like two se I'm two separate programs under the tranquil inspirations head heading here. Right.

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>> But I'm I'm still confused. I don't understand why this wouldn't be like a temper temp a typical nursery school or a school like I have my granddaughter going to a little place and they go outside they have activities outside they're inside activities >> because this is more like think of it more like a piano lesson it's 45 minutes

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>> but why do we have to make it complicated why can't we just treat it like a regular nursing school and if they want to have classes outside they can have if they want to have class inside they can have it >> they they can that's not part of that's not what I'm talking about >> I'm confused >> yeah I want to simplify this What what are you asking for? What is

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the variance that variance relief that you're requesting from the board tonight? >> I I think it's what it is what I just said. [laughter] >> So, there has been a huge growing community of homeschoolers, right? I mean, this is this is big. Like Connecticut just passed a law because so many people were homeschooling that now

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they passed a law you have to be deemed a fit parent in order to homeschool. It's you look at Tennessee and there's almost more kids who are homeschooled than going to public school. So, this is taking off. parents are looking to provide be the main educators of their families and then they're looking for

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these other classes. Now again with ages one to five some of them may be in preschool some of them may not be in preschool and then even after school some of the children may be in public school and some of them may be homeschooled. So it is providing a different type of learning environment for you know certain ages and again

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those classes will be age appropriate. So the outdoor mud kitchens wouldn't have anybody old older than five, but the cooking classes would have students obviously older than five. So there'll be, you know, classes catered to different needs. And and again, I'm looking to serve all sorts of families. Families who go to public school,

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families who homeschool, families who go to private school. You know, I think really education is changing in so many ways. And and as an educator, I've seen that. You know, I I I wanted to support all those new ways that we're really looking to educate children.

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>> Excuse me. I think the question was, what exactly are you asking for here? >> I'm just asking that the property be used as a learning facility, right? So, it's a residential area and now we're looking to have children come and learn there >> because Kate, it's not a permitted use

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in this D1 variant. >> It's a D1 variance. So for an outdoor learning center of up to 10 children maximum per day. >> Per per time. Per class. >> Per class. >> Per class. >> Yes. Um and J Jason and Demetri and anyone else on the board another way of looking at this. So this is so you know

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um Jill mentions how um you know school has changed as you all know retail has changed. You know types of commercial districts types of different uses have changed a lot over the last 10 or 15 years. And so in many we have not done this in Homeell but in many municipalities we have amended ordinances to kind of update modernize

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you know things that are permitted not necessarily in a residential zone but in general. And one of the new kind of like experiential quote unquote uses that we often include in an ordinance is is a definition for something that we call an instructional school or studio. And this is something that can run the gamut from

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anything from children's tutoring to children's music lessons to gymnastics. you know, just one or what one class at a time to adult fitness to, you know, all different things of that nature. And the the idea there is that because it is kind of an instructional class-based

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situation, it's not like an all day drop in, it's almost like appointment based. So, it's that's kind of different than um you know, an all day daycare. So that I would look at this almost like she's like the applicant has proposed the outdoor component is almost like it's just descriptive of what this particular

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applicant is looking to do. But in my opinion, this is almost the equivalent of like someone seeking to run um any type of instructional class for children for up to 10 children at a time. It's different than a daycare because it is class-based. It's not, you know, you

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send your kid four days a week. It's they can go as often or as little as they like. here you go by the class. It's like going to like a um a yoga class versus planet fitness almost to put it in adult terms. Um but um that I think is the way to look at it. Less f

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less focused on the outdoor aspect. That's how the applicant has described it. And I think it's I think it's import I think it's part of the proposal here because you know if you're outdoors is it going to make more noise? What's going to happen? Etc. But the main the main use that's being proposed here in my opinion is really like an a

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children's instructional school. In the current law, you were saying how daycare is much more acceptable as far as the variance or variance relief if but because the daycare facility would be in a commercial property off to the side, there's no discussion of that here

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whatsoever. But if this was considered a daycare facility and we weren't doing a temporary uh relief or waiver of this, what what are the what are the what are the the ground rules for us to understand about a daycare facility? >> A child care center would still need a

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D1 use variance in this location and that is separ that I'm talking about a child care center that is separate than a family daycare home. That is a specific definition that is intended to allow people to run small private daycarees out of private homes with a

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very very certain maximum of children, you know, things like that. And the idea was that, you know, there's a shortage of daycare. We need to encourage that. But as soon as it's no longer a private home and that as soon as you have more than a certain amount of children, it be it it's no longer meets that definition and it would require a D1 variance.

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However, a child care center is deemed an inherently beneficial use. um you know the by the state um schools are regular schools are um you know diff different as we've talked about this in other you know other kind of uses um

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this is you know by and and I'll allow the applicant's planner if she wishes to get into this um you know the fact is that this is different thing there's different levels of you know what rises to an inherently beneficial use if this was a daycare it would be because the MLUL says it is um you know if something

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someone's getting like guitar lessons is that an inherently beneficial use it has some kind of benefit for children but I don't know if it is but you know the applicants of planner if she chooses to go that route will weigh that um you know for example it's a nonprofit is that on the public benefit scale um but in either way it would always be a D1

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use variance here >> okay >> I have a question with all of this is there two uh two separate things that we need to approve number one approving an outdoor learning center on the property and number two whether she's operating a

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daycare on that property because I think you mentioned something if it's over five children it's not a family daycare anymore it becomes more of a business and I think the concern here is one approval approves daycare and an outdoor

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environment >> well well that would be that would have to be part of your approval here if uh because the technically it's two businesses or two different organizations that are operating out of the same facility so that would be part of your variance consideration And that's why I noted that it should be

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considered, you know, one option would be to consider it a temporary use and sunset that um the ability for her to run the tranquil teachings, the actual factual daycare. Let's call that like capital D daycare or something. Um as

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opposed to the learning center, >> with regards to the the daycare, um it's capped at five children. There's not going to be an increase. He doesn't need an approval under >> but but no but but but >> but then because it's a double use of the property. >> Yes. And because it would be it would be

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functioning if be approved it would it would no longer be a single family home. It it would be a it would be um you know this this use would be there as well. >> See that's what I understand. If she's only operating with five children and you said you're allowed to have that kind of

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>> that is it's a special carve out in the land use law. Um I can read that um for you. It is very very specific what the provisions are. Um I I I don't know if she meets that now. I'm not even going to ask that. Um living there, >> but nobody's living there.

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>> Nobody's living there living in the house. >> Explain it to me. >> I don't understand. >> Okay, then it shouldn't be a It shouldn't be a family daycare then. I thought someone was living there. I thought that was the testimony last time. >> Yes, I was pulling it up. Yes. >> No. If if it's because the family has to live there, then I don't need any more explanation. Family daycare home means

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the private residence of a family daycare provider which is registered as a family daycare home pursuant to the family daycare provider act. And what that means is that it is um

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the definition it's essentially it's I believe it it's for some reason it's not all in this section but basically it's a it has to be your primary residence. It has to be a certain under a certain amount of children. So, if it's not the primary residence of either you or another provider, then I think we're going to have to add that to the Dvarian

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tonight. >> And Jill, can you add for the record right now, do you currently live in this residence? >> I don't currently live in the residence. >> Okay. >> Does anyone currently live in this residence? >> No, no one currently lives there. >> So, realistically, the whole building could be a school. You could have

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different classrooms for first grade, second grade, third grade, or whatever. >> Well, that that's that that's a totally different application than what we're talking about now. So what happens then with that? What does that change >> if Miss Pres I think that >> just tell don't see bring talk general

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talk general >> she would have to meet the requirements for a daycare. >> So that's a whole so >> yeah and that's not the that's out of this board jurisdiction. >> This is just the outdoor learning center. >> I'm not talking about the outdoor learning center. >> No we're talking about tranquil teachings not triangle inspirations. I

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know it's confusing. We are talking about the current use of the property which to be honest sounds like it's not fully in conformance with the law but we are um we are here tonight to potentially fix that but anything that's any outside regulations that would be up to Miss Pres to deal

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with for like you know having appropriate space and everything. >> So you're telling me if she wanted to have like a nursery school for argument sake the limit of the kids would be a greater allow allowed to have 20 kids or 30 kids. >> No >> no

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But all I mean my granddaughter goes to a nursery school. There's no limit on how many kids are >> because it's But Demetri, it's a use variance. She'd have to get a use variance for it. >> Yeah. So what So what's the difference from what she's asking for? It's not as restrictive compared to what a a normal nursery school would be like.

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>> This isn't So the couple things, it's class-based. There's people in and out all day. That's not the case with the nursery school. And any any daycare, any kind of thing that comes in here, we always ask them what their limits are going to be. >> Okay. Yeah. So, it's, you know, >> and I think a day, if I'm again, one of

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the probably points that we have to get over the negative criteria here is that with a daycare, there's probably less traffic because there's a traffic in the morning at 9:00 a.m. and traffic at 5:00 p.m. picking them up throughout the day. If there's different classes, you're going to have 10 different cars coming throughout the day. >> It's a different use. And that is one of

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the reasons that as I also mentioned in my letter, there are a few exceptions in the state where like you know something like this that she's proposing for the the class-based learning center does not require state licensing as a daycare because it's a different kind of situation and that I spell out in my

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letter. So you know the thing is is that Demetri what you're talking about of course like you know there's bigger classrooms but there then it's like you have to get into like square foot per children how many sinks per children how many restrooms how many staff things like that because it's a situ it's regulated very very differently than

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what's being proposed here >> and you have much different I mean even from a traffic standpoint in a preschool you have a drop off in the morning and a pickup in the afternoon you need addition additional stacking queuing safe drop off procedures all those kinds of things this is not that parents are

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going to be joining their children there. They're going to go park, get their kid out of the car, and go to their activity and then leave. So rather than having that morning and afternoon peak, which is kind of what we're used to seeing with a lot of uses, we see this is going to be divided up during the day.

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>> Well, that's for the the the outdoor learning center. >> The outdoor learning center. Yes. >> Right. But for children, that's different. >> Yes. >> So there's two different uses here we're talking about. >> Yes. And and that's why I suggest that the one be looked at as temporary

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>> and and a sun setting of this sun setting that's perhaps in 12 months. >> Yes. If if I don't know what if you have a time you know we can we >> I'm hoping within the upcoming year to have >> have you know because the state absolutely has to approve >> everything that will happen at the main

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location at 146 route 34. So, it's really up to the state to give me that licensing as I >> And so, if we approved a sunset provision for 12 months and for some reason you weren't able to do that, you'd have to come before the board again for an additional extension of this >> just to make like a statement rather

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than, you know, it would need professionals necessarily or anything like that. >> Maybe it's a dumb question. You you basically said if you're not living there, you can't run the daycare out of the house, but that's not for our concern. How on earth could we grant a sunset provision allowing her to run the

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daycare out of a house that she doesn't live in? >> Because Thank you, Lori. Because any anything would be subject to state regulations. >> That's why how can we approve a daycare there if you and her have said there is not regulated. We'd have to square

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footage per student. So, you're asking us to accept something, approve something that really needs to be looked at much differently if we're going to say it's okay to operate a daycare. >> So, I I agree with that. And I was miss I was I did not realize this was not

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somebody's personal full-time residence. It was it was submitted to us as a family daycare home. And I don't know how Miss Pres is running the current situation here. It might just be flying under the radar. I mean, I did receive approval from the zoning board. So, the

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zoning board was aware. I met with them and they gave me approval. So, I >> What? This is not this. Not this. >> The zoning officer. >> The zoning officer. I'm sorry. So, Courtney, I I personally met with Courtney and she had given me approval. >> Okay. She may have been under the impression it was a family daycare home.

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>> Um, but I we can look at that approval. Um, I can look at that. some concern to a daycare center not even whether we're talking about use or not without following all of the regulations that was just pointed out here >> and and France I mean it'd be a condition they'd have to get all outside

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and mainly the state you know approvals that are necessary we'd only approve the use but not we don't we're not doing what the state would be doing >> they'd have to still get state approval >> exactly it's like anything else it's like a um you know anything that requires a different level of regulation

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it's up to the The applicant cannot continue to do that use unless they have the appropriate approvals outside agencies >> like an outside thing like a wet land that was applicable. They have to still get that post post approval. We're not granting them the wetlands waiver. >> Not I'm just talking hypothetical.

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>> Yeah. Can you start because we didn't hear you in a sec. Could you start over with that statement? >> Yeah. >> We can approve the use obviously the two uses whatever this board wants to do but it's always subject to outside agency approval. So I'll use the better example. we're used to some kind of D

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approval, right, for wetlands. So, we just because we approve somebody's site doesn't mean they can build in the wetlands. They still have to get that sign off from the state. That all comes usually after the fact and then it runs through our professionals to approve and Al would be the one probably doing something like that to check on it when

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it's submitted as resolution compliance. Same with the daycare. I have to get it's regulated by the department of >> I have actually reached out to the Mammoth County Department of Health and what I was told and I have an email from them as well that if I'm accepting private individuals who are paying

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privately then I was not subject to any type of regulation because it is out of my home and I'm not accepting any type of state but your home. Yeah. That's that's for you to confer with the state and get the proper answers or approvals and submit to our

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professionals. I mean, again, we're not here to regulate what the state or the county may or may not do to you as a daycare out of a non-residential home. >> All we were going to do is approve or not approve >> the request. >> My concern is our approval almost

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suggests that she can do this. And if she's not given proper information, because I'm concerned she doesn't have proper information right now regarding what the definition of a residential home is and us allowing the use. I know you're her attorney and I I'm

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appreciating that, but you're attorney for this, but I I didn't want it to make it seem like that we are saying it's okay for you to continue this daycare if you don't live there because it sounds like from what the planner just said that it isn't. So my concern is if we

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legitimize it by saying yes, you could run the daycare. It's sounding like if I was an ordinary a citizen, I would think, okay, I could run the daycare. And I don't want to give legal advice like in a situation where I think we may have overstepped a little because we didn't realize what your living situation was.

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>> Well, I will say that when I purchased the property, the goal was to get a variance and create a learning center. And when I went to the zoning officer who at that time was Lonnie, she had said that the only thing I could do legally in that house at that point was

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operate a home daycare. So that is the information I took. And then I also reached out to Mammoth County Department of Health and they had shared that again if I wanted to accept private families I could do so privately. If I wasn't looking to receive any type of state

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funding then I did not have to adhere to any other regulation. So that was my my understanding from the start >> and that is my concern. I I truly believe what your understanding is. I'm afraid the officials may have believed you were living in that house and they

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were giving you information based on the fact that you bought this house and it's a residential home. It's in a residential neighborhood and that was the purpose of the house. That's my concern. >> Miss Pres, did you ever receive a zoning violation for the site? I I had children

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on the site um several years ago and it wasn't they weren't young children, they were older children and I was told that we were too loud outside. Okay. >> I have a zoning violation in the townships and I don't know if we need to enter this but it's not but zoning violation from 12125

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stating exactly what we're going off of here. Um I don't know how it was resolved. We don't have Courtney here to answer that. So I don't want to go too deep into that. and and that's when I met Courtney because originally Lonnie had given me permission and then I met with with Courtney and she told me that I could continue operations.

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>> Okay. Did she provide you with an official in writing or a zoning permit or anything? >> I I I have a huge file I can check. Okay. >> Yeah. >> I think we' um you know I I hate to drag this out, but I I think I think that that's something we need to know about. I don't know if that was ever included in your packet or >> what does it say in there?

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>> I do not I only see a zoning violation. I don't see any resolution of it, but I might not have all the information on on SDL. >> I just think I think it's wonderful what you're proposing, that outdoor thing, and I just feel that it's a shame it's

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being overshadowed by this other daycare thing. I would love to Well, I shouldn't say anything, but I think it's wonderful what you're proposing, the one use. I think the other use that's happening here on the property I think is what's the concern for for myself on the board.

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Okay. Because I I believe that if you are operating a daycare center then it's a totally different totally different story. >> Yeah. I think that I think that what I think I think that you know from a you know it's a it's a D1 variance. I think

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from a um procedural issue, Miss Perez would be starting out with a completely clean slate if we were just looking at the learning center class-based thing. I think the either the continuation or you know even if the even if the existing daycare center is not you know that's not really this

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forged jurisdiction if she was proposing to not continue that use here it would be an enforcement issue. So, I I think that that's what's really complicating this. And I understand your need for space and I don't think anybody here I think we're all very empathetic to the needs of parents and I don't think anybody's like, you know, like kicked

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those kids out of daycare, but it also becomes it's a liability issue for the township. It's, you know, there's a lot of things at play here, especially when children are involved. And so, I think I think we need to get to the bottom of this. I I whatever whatever the existing approvals on that site are because I

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don't I don't see them. I I mean it all really started because I was waiting to go before the board regarding the outdoor education and I was told that the only thing I could do was offer home daycare. So I started utilizing the facility that way and the goal is to

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move the children into a different location. Um however you know that is also taking a while. So at this point I am >> why is that taking a while to get the kids into that commercial space around the corner there? So there needs to be a different buildout. There needs to be

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sinks and classrooms. The state has to come in do environmental testing. It it's just, you know, when you're talking about moving into now a location that's not a residential facility, there are a lot more there's a lot more requirements. >> Mr. President, I think I think we all we

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understand that and I don't I don't know what Lonnie told you. I know that what's in the zoning violation I'm reading. It says the infraction is running a daycare out of a single family dwelling in violation of the ordinance. Family daycare [clears throat] homes are permitted in all residential districts. The family daycare provider must reside

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in the dwelling. I >> I did meet after that um with Courtney and the fire inspector and I I I'm pretty sure I have >> Okay. I Yeah, we just don't have anything on SDL and I can't I don't know anything more than that and I didn't know this was an issue or else I apologize to the board. I would have looked this up in advance. >> No, I I definitely had a meeting with

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them and I was told that I could continue to provide that service. >> Okay. Okay. >> Um, I would, you know, I think I think that this, you know, if the applicant, you know, this is up to the board and if

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the applicant, I I think that this like as long as the applicant is willing, wants to continue with the proposed UCD1 variance, I think we can wait on this. Might not vote tonight, unfortunately. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But we I think that there's no reason that the her professionals can't go forward with um, you know, all the

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changes to the site plan and we can go through everything else tonight. Well, I will want to finish the board qu I don't know if everyone's had a chance to ask their questions on the board first and then um John, did you have anything to add? >> You know, I also wanted to ask I heard

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you say in your statement in light of a recent Supreme Court decision. Um I but I didn't hear you identify or name the decision or explain, you know, why it's relevant to your application. I I just think that it's important now for us as

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a community to really begin to protect our children, right? So when you look at a company like Bear, which was once Monsanto, right? They were able to buy the three branches of government. So now their product, they don't right now they

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have many lawsuits from farmers that are worth billions of dollars and now this case may throw all that out the window. So, you know, as an American looking at these three branches of government, we want them to protect us, but now they're not. And so, I look at this as a way of

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us protecting our children. And yes, the government plays a role, but we also have to help ourselves. And so, I want to make sure that we're giving our children the best start possible. And that is knowing where their food comes from. You know, because it is being sprayed with pesticides. It's being

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grown in labs. It's genetically modified seeds. And I want to go back to those heirloom seeds. And I want to get our hands in the dirt and I want to take care of where our food supply is coming from and our children will benefit from that because we're seeing the effects of in our children. They're not as healthy

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as they once were. So I think it's extremely relevant. >> What was the name of the Supreme Court decision you referring to? >> I think it was Bear. >> It was recent. >> Yeah, it was very recent. >> It was a round up and whatever you want to call it.

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>> And Bear is the main distrib It's not a land use. >> They took over somebody else. But >> right, they took over Roundup. >> It's a It's not a land use decision. It's sort of a corporate responsibility decision. Yes. And the purpose of that was just to highlight that what this is

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bringing to the table is removing I guess children from uh you want to call it uh corporate farming and bringing it back to the home and having the ability for children to know what they're going to do and how to properly grow and

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potentially have their own farms down the road. This is a good way for those children to have that education. I think it's very lofty and it's very admirable of her to do this, you know, one small thing at a time until it grows, but and that's why I'm disappointed that we

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can't really um well me I can only speak for myself really can't find myself to approve that second use because I don't want what you're doing to be tainted by the other thing that we're talking about

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and I know you made some site plan changes, but are those site plan changes related to the outdoor element or is it related that you are continuing to do daycare on that property? And that's a concern of mine as well. And I'm I

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appreciate that you're looking into the building because I'm sure you're going to run a wonderful daycare. >> I mean, I just want to take care of children, right? And I haven't been able to use the property for that outdoor component. So, this was the way in which I thought I'd be able to operate. And

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and again, I'm not trying to, you know, throw anybody under the bus. You know, this was something that I was was shared with me from the beginning that I thought was a permitted usage. If you have a zoning permit, that's all we need to see. I just can't find it. So, I mean, again, I think that this is for the secondary use. We can, you know,

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board questions of course continue, but the two different things going on here. and one is, you know, um, one is one is kind of separate than from it's not it's not the crux of the application night, but it does have to be resolved. >> Gloria, >> I think similar to what Francine is

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saying, and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse when you purchased the property, and I I again love the idea of your business, which is I loved it a year ago when you explained what it was. My concern keeps going back to you purchased a property in a residential

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neighborhood that was zoned for residents and I don't know that that was ever really your intent which was fine except it's been five years and now we're hearing the application and I think that's what makes it difficult. Now, you've done a lot of work towards the business, but almost like put the

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cart before the horse because we're here. And if you didn't live in that property, it it is more concerning to me that what your intent was in buying a home in a residential neighborhood that is zoned for single family housing. And I know

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other >> a few other uses, but that's my concern has been my concern. I didn't realize when I was here in 2025, I had no idea you were not living in that house and I feel that that would have been impactful

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at that time. >> Yes. So, Miss Garrett, I'll just I'll let the but you know, we we did have an application for what at the time was Tranquil Teachings back in like 2021 or so. Um that application was withdrawn and so we didn't never I don't know if we really mentioned it because it was it was different. And it was for it was for

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more of like a schools type setup like a um like a kind of like a private learning kind of clinic. It was diff it was a different use and it was it came before the board once or twice and she Miss Press chose to withdraw that and so this is a new use so we didn't reference it. Um but I yeah I think that that was always the intention correct me if I'm

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wrong was to use this property for children child care and education. Honestly, it was always to be used for outdoor education and I was told that the only way I could use it without a variance was as a home daycare. That's originally what I was told.

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>> Um, so, you know, I didn't want the the house to be vacant and so I just decided to use it in in a different capacity than intended again serving children and getting them outside. Right? A lot of daycare facilities, they're not outside. So, I was able to offer that outdoor component. And you know, when you look

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at the location of this house, there is a residential, there is a commercial building right next door and then Casola Farms is diagonal. So I feel like it actually very much fits the neighborhood in terms of the commercial zoning next door and the agricultural component that's diagonal from it. But yes, I mean

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I I wanted to utilize these three acres and start teaching. you know, I mean the world in 2021 was also a different place and so I was trying to offer different options, educational options for parents as a teacher. I saw the virtual model

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and the part-time model and you know it offered families to look at at a new way of educating students. Um, you know, but I just wanted to create something that was a little more natural and organic for families. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um, sorry comment. I dug into SDL

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a little more. And um so two things here. One, Miss Perez is correct that she was given permission to continue the daycare use because it was contingent on filing a zoning board application for a D1 variance to allow daycare.

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>> Thank you. I I have >> Okay, so the problem is that that's not what you're here for tonight. >> Okay. >> We you are here for the outdoor area. Um and you tech This is so okay this is I I might change my mind here unless you're

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going to withdraw the daycare because it's a totally different thing. You have to you have to get that lensure and all things or you know you need to prove to us that you don't need lensure because that's what this was. This is a zoning violation issued and I wish Courtney's not here. Maybe we'll have her here next time. Um issued 121 2025 and the zoning

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violation states that zoning board application must be submitted no later than March 21st 2025. If not received, daycare use must stop immediately and return to a single family use. And that the implication there, it specifically states running a daycare out of a single family dwelling is in violation of the

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ordinance. Family daycare provider must reside in the dwelling. She's indicating that the operator needed a D1 variance to continue the daycare. >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. >> I was asking why do we have to approve both things here? and >> you know because one thing is one to me

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one application to take that residence and say I'd like to be an outdoor learning center which I think is stupendous is wonderful >> yes I I was not >> I'm just concerned about giving an approval to do daycare I mean let's if a child gets hurt there right away

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somebody's going to look and say >> was she supposed to be operating a daycare out of that house >> well and now yeah I I you know I I wish I'd been able to speak to Courtney about this prior to the meeting but um I think this is kind of a, you know, the the D if if the daycare is going to continue,

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it's contingent on a D1 for the daycare and all the things associated with that. >> All right. So, thank you for that. I want to if there are there any more board questions for the testimony we heard from Miss Perez for the last hour or so. >> No more. So, if not, there's there are

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some members of the public here that I would like to open up to the public, you know, close the board questioning. And again for the public, just to remind everyone, this is not a public comment. This is public questions for the testimony that was just provided by Mrs. Perez. So you're you're able to come forward, state your name and address,

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your full name for the record and your address, and ask questions about the testimony that was provided during the last hour. If there's anyone from the public that would like to come up, could you please raise your hand? Sir, come on up, please. Uh, do we have an extra microphone?

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Yeah. Oh, thank you. >> Just state your full name. And I think Marty's going to need you to spell it for the record. >> No, we're not swearing in. Yeah. Okay. >> Just go close to the microphone. >> Sure. My name is Frank S. I live at 27 Shane Road.

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>> Thank you. >> And my questions are just how how something I >> And you're going to ask the questions to Miss Perez. That's the question. Not to have questions for her. I have questions for you guys. >> Uh, well, it's only directed to >> Oh, I didn't understand that. No, I don't I don't have any questions for for >> Miss Brez. No, >> no, not at all.

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>> Okay. Okay. >> There'll be a time later, sir. There'll be a time to make comments later. >> Yeah. No, I I just had questions for >> how you not for Okay. Yeah. No, this is >> your case very clearly. >> Okay. Great. Okay. Anyone else from the public that has questions for Mr. Perez

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about the testimony she's provided over the last hour? Okay. Okay, seeing that there are none, we're going to close the public portion uh questions for this um witness and um Mr. Alfairi, do you want to uh No, we're

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not going to do comments. No, no, no comments. >> Chairman, if if we could have five minutes before I have my next witness come up. >> Take a fiveminute recess. Yes. >> Yeah, that's great. Okay, >> for the record, 8:15 board will be taking five minute break. Thank you. Test test

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um 8:34 um board is back to regular session. Okay. Thank you. Perfect. Okay. >> All right. We are going to uh resume the public hearing of 24 Shank Road uh in Homeell, New Jersey. Um Mr. Alfiri, I

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know you had some time to confer with your client. You want to uh >> Yes, >> Chairman. Thank you. We appreciate your patience. Um, so given the uh questions and the confusion with relation to the the uses um and the site plan that we have presented right now, it it doesn't

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make sense to continue with the the presentation at the present moment. So we would request to carry the application so we can go back look at the site plan a little bit further and see what we can do to accommodate what the proposal would ultimately look like and when we come back before the board it'll be a much more clear and concise

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application. Okay, great. Ireina, uh, what are the possible dates that we have open in uh, >> would August 5th be too? >> Yeah. No, we have >> No, it's it's not because we'll be carrying one of them again. >> Yeah. >> From August 5th.

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>> August 5th won't be enough time. >> Okay. >> But you still got two others now. We just We carried the other two. >> Yeah. But from one of them will be carried again. >> There was a third one we carried the >> How much time do you think you'll need? How many months? How many months? >> We have two this and one more.

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>> What's the first meeting in September? >> Well, I was going to say October 7th. That's what I was actually looking for. >> I think October 7th would probably make more sense as professionals are ready. >> Ireina, does that work for you? >> October. >> October 7th. Uh or October 21st. >> Well, do we want to do 21st then?

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>> 21st. >> 21st. Perfect. >> All right. We also have November 4th if that would work. >> I don't disagree with you. >> All right, we'll do the we'll do the 21st. Okay. October 21st.

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>> Thank you. I am going to >> So I can I get a motion to carry uh zoning board 202502 for 24 shank road to the October 21st,

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2026 meeting with no without further notice. >> We will be renoticing. >> We will be renoticing. >> Yeah. Because the notice is if they if they come forward with the second use, the notice is as as it stands is deficient. >> Okay. All right. with re with renotice.

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Do >> I have a motion? >> Uh, Mr. Burkel? >> Yes. >> Miss Campus? >> Yes. >> Miss Gerard? >> Yes. >> Mr. Luchiani? >> Yes. >> Mr. Gian Paulo? >> Yes. >> Mr. Ofaneos? >> Yes. >> Miss Castello?

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Arnon? >> Yes. The matter of Tranquil Learning Center will be carried to October 21st, 2026 and um um notice within 200 foot list will be provided. >> Yes. >> Thank you.

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>> All right. Thank you, Arena. Um >> moving on. Do we have any professional reports? >> None here. >> Okay. Uh can I have a vote motion to um close the meeting? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

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>> Second. >> Second. Okay. All in favor? >> I >> Thank you. Have a good night.