Good evening everyone. I hereby announce that pursuant to section five of the open public meetings act that adequate notice of this meeting has been provided in the notice which was sent to the Asbury Park Press the two river times and posted on the bulletin board in township hall and filed in the township
clerk's office on January 3rd 2025. Mayor Foster >> here Miss Lam Mountain >> here >> Mr. Imprevado here. >> Mr. Lucarelli >> here and Mr. Romano is not here this evening. Mayor, you have a quorum. >> Thank you Wendy. Can we all please stand for the pledge of allegiance?
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> If we could all please remain standing for a brief moment of silence for our troops who serve us tirelessly at home
and abroad. >> Thank you. Well, good evening girls. Thank you for joining us tonight and some congratulations. If you can bear with me one minute. I'm just going to read a quick proclamation and take some photos and have you guys on your way. Whereas this year, the 2025 Homedale High School
varsity girls volleyball team won the NJSIAA Central Jersey Group 2 tournament with a 16 to4 victory over GV Livingston. And whereas the team also made Homedale Township high school history by closing the season with an outstanding 24-3
record, making it the best varsity girls volleyball record the program has ever seen. And whereas the players were led, supported, and encouraged in their endeavors and successes by head coach Rebecca Morse and assistant coach Alex Johnson. Now therefore, be it resolved by the mayor and township committee of
the township of Homeell on this 25th day of November 2025 that congratulations be extended to the following. Jessica Donnelly, Victoria G, Marggo Messah, Brooke Lavell, Maya Houston, Kelsey
Gallow, Olivia Krauss, Melanie Sum, Isabella Peggo, Ariela Jahan Janetti, excuse me, Julia Kern, Sophia Kern, Olivia Keading, Amal Sayed,
Helen Yomomas, and Jules Gallo, both personally and officially on behalf of the residents of the community for their outstanding achievements. Be it further resolved that a suitably engrossed copy of this resolution be presented to the team as a small token of the esteem in
which they are held. And be it further resolved that all best wishes be extended to all for continued success in all their future endeavors. Congratulations, GIRLS. You guys can come on up. We're going to take a quick picture with you guys if it's all right.
You girls come on. Thank you so much. Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. You need something. Do you want me to run and get you order? >> Are you sure? The thing's right over there.
>> No, I mean it's going to be at a cop, but is that all right? What's up? Sure. She offered to get That's right. >> Danger. Okay. >> You ready?
Moving along, uh we will now take public comments on agenda items only, please. Seeing none, we will move along. Next would be the consent agenda, which includes resolutions 2025 282 through 2025 295.
>> Can we get a motion? >> Move. >> Second. Mr. Imprevado, >> yes. >> Miss Lam Mountain, >> yes. >> Mr. Lucarelli, >> yes. >> Mayor Foster, >> yes. >> Okay. Resolutions 2025 282 through 2025 295 have been successfully
>> Lance, I'm sorry. Can I disturb you? Could you shut that back door, please, buddy? >> Thank you, mayor. >> Thank you. Next is introduction of ordinance 202529 which is an ordinance amending section
2-26 titled Department of Police. This motion is to adopt on first reading published in the Asbury Park Press and set the public hearing for December 9th, 2025. >> Can we get a motion? >> Move. >> Second. >> Mr. Impreaduda?
>> Yes. >> Miss Lamount? >> Yes. >> Mr. Lucarelli? >> Yes. >> Mayor Foster? >> Yes. Okay. Ordinance 202529 will be set for public hearing. Thank you. Next is hearing on ordinance 202526, which is an ordinance approving
short-term lease agreements relative to block 49.02, lots 40, 4A, and 41, which is 117 Middletown Red Hill Road. >> Any public comments?
Come on up, Ralph. Ralph Blumenthal 41 Stony Brook wrote since the actual lease agreements weren't attached just a question about what's the duration of the leases and r how much income might the township expect from those for that whatever
period of time is >> sure so that's um still subject to ongoing negotiation at this point and really is going to turn on whether the individual the two parties want to stay on the property this ordinance is giving the township ship the flexibility to extend that to them. Uh, under the text
of the ordinance, uh, the lease, if it's extended, would go through December 31st, 2026, subject to two one-year extensions by mutual ascent. So, the township would have to agree to renew it at that point in time. And, um, if these parties choose to stay on, uh, they they
currently had an access agreement with UMC that was a a modest amount of of income. So, I don't think it'll be anything that's a windfall. Uh but they in exchange for maintaining the lease, they did maintain the property. So uh there is that benefit as well to the township. If a lease is finalized, it'll
obviously be a public record. >> And am I correct that Henry that Harry Bill Prada III is the son of the Bill Potter we knew? >> That's above my pay grade. I'm not sure. >> I think it's a relative.
>> Yeah, Bill is was you know he's deceased, right? That was Bill Potter seniors, right? I think it was a second and then a third. >> Okay. Yeah. So that >> Thank you. >> One thing I'll also note for the record, mayor, is the ordinance when it was introduced, the text says that we were
continuing to negotiate with UMC. Uh that closing took place uh about a week ago. So the township is the uh fee title holder to the former Potter's property. Uh the deed has been delivered to the township and has been recorded. So congratulations on that.
>> Thank you, Michael. Any other public comments? Seeing none, can we get a motion? >> Move. >> Second. >> Mr. Mr. Prevadutoo. >> Yes. >> Miss Lamount. >> Yes. >> Mr. Lucarelli. >> Yes. >> Mayor Foster.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Ordinance 202526 has been successfully passed. Thank you. Next is um hearing for ordinance 202527 which is a bond ordinance providing for improvements of Homedale Township school
district facilities by and in the township of Homedale in the county of Mammoth state of New Jersey appropriating 600,000 thereof and authorizing the issuance of f 571428,000 bonds or notes of the township to
finance part of the cost thereof. Any public comments? Seeing none, can I get a motion? >> Move. Second. >> Mr. Inreadudo? >> Yes. >> Miss Lamount? >> Yes. >> Mr. Lucarelli?
>> Yes. >> Mayor Foster? >> Yes. >> Ordinance 202527 has been successfully passed. Thank you. Next is a hearing on ordinance 202528, which is an ordinance approving short-term lease agreement relative
to portion of block 10.1, lot 7 and 11, 108 Middletown Road. >> Any public comments? >> Seeing none, can we get a motion? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Mr. Prevaduda? >> Yes. >> Miss Lamount? >> Yes.
>> Mr. Lucarelli. >> Yes. >> Mayor Foster. >> Yes. >> Okay. Ordinance 202528 has been successfully passed. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Wendy. Christopher, would you like to kick off our departments, please?
>> So, thank you, Mayor. Press my button before somebody else. Tonight, it's going to be a short short report. Do you hear me? I'm not sure if it's coming over. Is it? >> I I see it. >> I got to get real close to it, I guess. to the mic. >> Closer to the mic. You hear me now? All
right. Good. All right. So, tonight um I just want to quickly uh give you an update on um on the horn um at Wilson Park and the uh process we're going through. As you all know, we we did receive the preservation um plan grant
that we can go ahead and start uh getting stuff done uh planning for the future. uh the hazmat, utility mapping, archaeology, materials conservation um have all been completed. Um the historic the historian has been doing uh their
due diligence. Um we did uh walk with Dr. Wilson um around and he did give us some background on the uh buildings that are that he felt were not historic. Um the historian is in disagreement on two of the buildings. I guess um he looked
more into the echo uh of it, the echo project and they were historic. So um we're probably going to be keeping those buildings and they're in decent shape. Um they're going to be giving me uh I asked them for executive summaries on all these. Um I originally got one that
was not an executive summary. It was like 40 pages of stuff I didn't understand. So they are going to be giving us our um our executive summaries and then I'll be able to share those. The next step in that pro in the process right now is that we're um trying to
make it safe enough and um that would include a some kind of a fence that like a you know more of a park-like fence like a like a farm fence or something like that just so people it's not going to stop people from going down those hills but it's going to make them think
twice before they go past it. You know it's going to be uh you know the rail fence that that the Woodward rail fences that's what we're looking at. Um, we're going to try to get a TNM or one of our engineers to uh come up with a good site plan so that we can protect it and get
it open. Um, and I think that the the the town will be really proud of what we're trying to put together. We're going to give you guys hopefully a plan shortly on some of the educational stuff as well. So, we're getting there. It's it's it's a it's a process. Um, one of the things we need to worry about is how
we get people up there. Besides just driving, you're really walking up there is pretty unsafe at this point. So, we're going to have to do something with that. Uh, we will be applying for an implementation grant. That's why we're working so hard right now to get it because the implementation grants come out next year and they'll be uh given around September just like the last one
we just got. That's it. That's all I have for tonight. >> Thank you very much, Chris. >> Thank you, Pat. Michael, >> that's my report. Um, I don't have uh any specific items, but happy to answer any questions. Mayor, thanks.
>> All right, Mr. Prevido. >> Thank you, Mayor. We are conducting a goal zero high visibility enforcement operation known as Hive. It's scheduled for Wednesday, November 26th from 3:00 to 7:00 p.m. Our focus area is Highway 34 as part of a
statewide enforcement push. The goal of this enforcement is to keep drivers alert and eliminate distractions on the road. The results of this speak for themselves. In Mammoth County, simp since implementing goal zero details, we've attached an approximate 61% decrease in fatalities year-to- date,
going from 39 lives lost in 2024 down to 15 in 2025. This success underscores the importance of traffic enforcement and our united effort to save lives. The public safety cadet program is open to students who are 14 to 18 years old and who would like to learn more about law
enforcement. Home residency is not required. Meetings are held once a month during the school year. Members are trained in first aid, traffic control, self-defense, crime prevention, prevention, and many other specialized fields. If interested, students should contact traffic safety officer Roco
Qualia at 732-946-9690 extension 1733 or visit the Homeell Police website. from the Homedale Fire Department. The fire department will be conducting our annual canning fundraiser in the morning on the morning of Black Friday
and the morning after. Look for our members at the entrances of the Homeell Town Center and Homedale Commons and please consider making a donation. The annual Township Widewide Santa Runs will begin in a couple of weeks. Residents are advised to keep an eye on the fire department's Facebook and Instagram
accounts to find out when Santa will be coming through their zone. There will also be a link to the Santa tracker so you can see where Santa's sleigh is in real time. Please understand that sometimes our Santa runs are affected by weather or emergency calls. And then from the Department of Public Works, the
2025 townwide fall leaf collection has been ongoing since November 3rd. The second and final round of leaf collection will start on December 1st. Please be mindful of the schedule for your section. DPW is not able to come back out to your street if you miss your
scheduled pickup day. And a reminder, brush collection has ended. Please do not leave piles of brush or branches on the street in front of your home as that will impede DPW's ability to pick up leaves. Thank you, Mayor. >> Thank you, Rocco.
Committee manelli, please. >> Thank you, Mayor. uh from the recreation department. Uh Christmas tree and manura lighting. This year the annual Christmas tree manure lighting will be held on Sunday, December 7th from 4 to 6:00 p.m.
here at town hall. Please join us with your family, friends, and neighbors for this uh annual Homeill tradition. This year's activities will include the lighting of the manora and the Christmas tree, an inflatable snow maze, an inflatable gingerbread obstacle course,
Santa's sleigh selfie station, free hot chocolate and cookies, visits from Gingerbread Man and Minnie Mouse, songs by the Homeell Girl Scouts, music from DJ Mel, face painting from uh with Miss Anita, and the grand finale, a visit from Santa himself, escorted by members
of the Homedale Fire Department. This is a free event for our residents. Uh they can park and the residents can park at the senior community center and post office slots. Um I also have a resolution mayor that I would like to uh
walk on this evening. Um and the resolution uh reads resolution repealing resolution 2019-322. Whereas on October 22nd, 2019, the township committee adopted a
resolution 2019-322 which is incorporated by reference here on whereas the resolution censored Mayor Eric Hines for various alleged acts set forth there on and provided for the
resolution's transmission to various parties, including the local finance board, LFB, which administers the local ethics board and whereas Hines provided the township with a copy of an April 24th, 2025
letter from the local finance board which indicates that the complaint was filed against him under docket number C19-027 and that the LFB dismissed and the complaint as having no reasonable factual basis and in light of
the same Hines has requested the resolution be repealed. And whereas with with it generally appeal appearing that the alleged acts contained within the resolution having been investigated and dismissed by the local finance board,
the township committee concurs with this request. Now here be resolved that the township committee of Homedale hereby repeals resolution 2019-32 322 in its entirety.
And I would ask for a motion on this. >> I'll make a motion. Can I get a second? >> Second. >> Wendy, can we get a roll call, please? >> Mr. Impreaduda? >> Yes. >> Miss Lam Mountain? >> Yes. >> Mr. Luca Rally? >> Yes. >> Mayor Foster? >> Yes. >> The resolution has been successfully passed. Thank you.
>> That was all I have for this evening. Mayor, >> thank you very much. Committeeman, Deputy Mayor Lamount. >> Thank you, Mayor. from the community development department. We don't have any uh anything new this month from our
Home Del America 250 committee. The next meeting for the committee will be on Monday, December 15th at 11:00 a.m. at town hall. Save the date for our Revolutionary War trivia night. It will take place Thursday, February 12th, 2026
from 6:00 to 9:00 p.m. at Texas Roadhouse. Prizes will be awarded to the top teams. Registration is free and will open soon, so keep an eye out for more information on that. Our Homeell Green team, the members met again to work on
the community energy planning. We revised our list of initiatives and submitted it to the township administration for their review. The team attended heritage day and handed out packets of native seeds for
winter seed sewing. We enjoyed speaking with so many of the residents that were in attendance that day. At last week's League of Municipalities convention, the green team accepted our bronze certification award from Sustainable
Jersey. The next monthly meeting of the green team will be Monday, December 1st at 7 pm, which is open to the public. And any Homeell resident interested in participating in these efforts is
invited to email green teen@homedell township.com or to attend our next meeting. And I I just want to add to this. I was very excited to see there was an article uh that was shared in a publication for I
think it was the Indian Hill School and they have junior green teamers and to see the enthusiasm and the involvement of the kids endeavoring in the the same
the same goals as our green team was just really cool to see. So, it's nice to see that what we do here at the township level within the community is also being shared with the students in the schools. And I just thought it was pretty nice. If you have a chance and can read that article, it was it was it
was pretty cool. Um, from the H Homeell heritage committee, our Heritage Day 2025 recap, the award presentation ceremony for the culture in art contest, which was held during the Homeell
Heritage Day, is scheduled for our Tuesday, December 9th meeting. It'll take place at the beginning of our township committee meeting. So, please join us at this final event for our uh 2025 Homeell Heritage Day. The students
worked very hard on those art projects and those two were very, very impressive. So, kudos to those students. Thank you, Mayor. >> Thank you, Kim. Okay, a couple of updates from my side. So, we had a wonderful time honoring our local
Homedale veterans at the annual Veterans Day ceremony earlier this month. I was especially proud to present the veteran of the year award to Mr. Joe Cartazo was recognized not only for his service in the armed forces but also for his ongoing role as a dedicated community servant within his neighborhood. The end
of the year Veterans Club lunchon will be held on Tuesday, December 16th at Texas Roadhouse at 1 p.m. Details are being finalized and all members of the Veterans Committee will be notified shortly. The committee is open to all veterans and gold star family members. If you are interested in being part of the veterans committee, please contact
the recreation office. I'm also excited to recognize the Homedale Hornets football team who captured its first ever sectional title with the win over Senica High School in the Central Jersey Group Three Finals. Congratulations to all of the players and to coach Kavanaaugh and his coaching staff on
this impressive season. Some other reports, US World News, excuse me, US News and World Report has named Village Elementary School and Indian Hill School among its ranking of best elementary schools and William RSATs Middle School among its ranking of best middle schools for 2026, placing
all three in the top 40% statewide. Indian Hill School was recognized by the New Jersey State Board of Education as a 2025 Blue Ribbon School of Excellence, one of only nine public schools and two private schools across New Jersey to receive this distinction. Congratulations to the staff and
students at Indian Hills. Homedale Town Hall offices will be closing tomorrow at 12:30 p.m. and will remain closed Thursday and Friday in observance of the Thanksgiving holiday. Additionally, the recycling center will be closed tomorrow at 11 am and will remain closed Thursday and Friday for the holiday as well. On
behalf of my township committee colleagues and all of the staff of Homedale Township, I'd like to wish each of you and your families a happy, healthy, and restful Thanksgiving. So, before we move into public comments, we just wanted to put out there a few items
uh on the Vonnage development. So, couple things. Every suburban municipality is currently facing a fourth round mandate from 2025 to 2035. The state calculated Homeell's original obligation as 133 units. Homeell challenged this number being led by
Deputy Mayor Lountton and we negotiated it down to 106 units. That number is not just simply 106 units. Developers look to build affordable housing unit set aides. If 106 is satisfied through a 20% set aside, that means 530 units. If 15%
set aside, that means 707 units. Thus, we've been sitting up here for the last, let's say, year and a half, largely huddled with our planners and attorneys in closed sessions, trying to protect against a developer successfully demanding 500 to 700 new units in town
that would forever change our community and prevent our school district from functioning. What happens if we don't proactively address these threats? We are seeing those effects just over our border in Middletown with a builder's remedy litigation from just about a week
ago. Middletown entered into a settlement to build 136 units along Nutswamp Road off Crawford's Corner right next to St. Catherine's. I'm not sure if anybody's seen that road, but it's 17 ft wide. How they going to fit all those units over there? I have no idea, but this is what the state does. Homedale has fought this case at both
the trial court and in the appellet court and is evaluating further action. Here in Homedale, we have done everything we can to fight these mandates because of their unfair one-sizefits-all approach while also working within the framework since it remains in effect to protect Homeell. We
have taken every step possible to fight the unfairness of the mandates both within Homeell's borders and beyond Homedale's borders while also complying with them. Mike, could you detail some of our efforts, please? >> Yes, certainly. So, as the mayor just mentioned, um Homedale's taken a
two-track approach to the fourth round of affordable housing. Uh the first is working within the current system um and trying to make the best uh decisions possible given the law and the way it's structured and really leaving the municipalities with difficult uh
options. At the same time, Homedale has joined the Montil Consortium, which is comprised of over 30 municipalities and has asserted numerous legal challenges in both state and federal court. Uh, as to the fourth round and to the affordable housing law in general. Uh,
just to give a brief overview of the immense effort that the consortium has undertaken, uh, there have been lawsuits filed in state court challenging the fourth round uh, program and process. There have been challenges filed in the
appellet division to the um uniform housing affordability controls rulemaking which was adopted by the housing mortgage finance agency without any notice or comment. So, no New Jerseyian had any opportunity to comment on these rules. And yet, the coalition's
OPER request revealed that the state agency had um conspired with all the special interest groups, including the builders and fair share housing center, and exchanged drafts of those rules prior to their emergency adoption. Uh there's also federal litigation that's challenging the urban aid
classification. So under the law, for every um 10 folks in for every 10 people in population growth from 2010 to 2020 within your region, uh the non- urban aid municipalities need to create affordable housing to
satisfy four people. So and we we're in the Monmouth Ocean Mercer region. So there are numerous non-bur municipalities that have population growth occurring. Um, some of them may include, you know, Asbury Park, Lakewood. For every 10 folks that move
into these communities, that creates an affordable housing need of four. Those urban aid municipalities are completely exempt from having any new unit obligation while the surrounding suburbs such as Homeell are supposed to create this affordable housing for the population growth that the urban
municipalities are facing. And the federal challenge is basically saying that this formula came about in 1983 1984 when literally there was negative population growth in the urban areas and it lacks applicability today because in New Jersey we have an expert report
demonstrating that literally half of New Jerseys population growth is occurring in the urban aid municipalities even with the half that's occurring in the non-urban a municipalities. Um, and specifically your mayor, Brian Foster, has stepped up and is actually an individually named plaintiff in the
federal litigation as well as the township being a named party as well. And Brian actually signed a certification this past Friday when we filed a motion for a preliminary injunction asking the federal court to place the fourth round mandates on hold
before the March 15, 2026 deadline when every town is required to implement the zoning uh to comply with these numbers that you heard at the beginning of today's meeting. And absent that stay, every town is going to be forced to do just that. So there is a significant
effort going on to fight this but at the same time the township is working within the system as well. So on that note um Homeell earlier this year was obligated to submit a compliant housing element and fair share plan by the June 30th 2025 deadline. That plan's comprised of
uh three different components to meet Homeell's obligation of the 106 units. The first is an extension of the controls on affordable units at Palmer Square which yields 17 credits. Uh then there is the so-called route 35 project
which is behind the Cole shopping complex uh which would yield 80 units and 11 bonus credits totaling 91 credits. And then finally, the former Vonnage uh property uh yields 31 units plus 15 and a half bonus credits for a
total of 46 and a half credits. So those are the three uh projects that comprise the fourth round. And now I'll turn it back to the mayor. Thank you, Michael. So how did we get here? Well, the building a couple years ago was sold off by Mac Ali. So obviously at that point we had no choice but to negotiate with
the owner to ensure that Homedale was protected with the future of the property. So we negotiated with them for the last two plus years. Ownership disclosure is on file. There's no conflict of interest, complete fabrication to say otherwise, but that's that information is available. The
township committee has been fully transparent from day one with a redevelopment process that has now spanned over two years with over a dozen public meetings at which it has been discussed. This began in November of 2023 and then continued January of 2024 with the planning board. July of 2024,
CHA came and publicly publicly presented here in our township committee meeting as well. August 2020 2024, township count committee concurs with the planning board on the blight designation. In November of last year, the township committee reintroduces the
redevelopment plan. In December of 24, the planning board reviewed that redevelopment plan. And in December of 2024 as well, the TC approved the redevelopment plan. In March of 25, the township committee designates CHA as the
entity redeveloper. In April of 25, the township committee approves the redevelopment agreement with CHA. And November of 2025, the planning board holds subdivision site plan hearings, which is where we stand today. The Vonnage redevelopment was not negotiated
on a blank slate. It was negotiated knowing the fourth round mandates discussed earlier. We negotiated ahead of the fourth round when the developer may have even more leverage. The project maximizes the number of age restricted units at 30% and also allows for units based upon the redevelopment
designation. >> Yeah. So, um, one further note in terms of the fourth round plan is the components are in there because the township committee, um, like the mayor said, attempted to make the best values judgment it could operating under the law. As we've discussed, I think it also
bears noting that there has been an objector to the fourth round plan. Um it's a party that seeks to develop uh approximately 130 units um in an inclusionary project that would have a school impact and would be located on North Beer Street. So that's one party
that is looking to complete a development that based upon the township committee's efforts. um if there if the committee is successful through the current process, uh that project would not receive zoning even though they're seeking it. And I will submit that there
are uh many other parties that are likely interested in exploring the option of using the Mount Laurel doctrine and the affordable housing law as a sword of sorts to uh obtain zoning that I know the committee feels goes
against the character of Homeell. And you know, I think there's a to the mayor's point, uh, the property in question at Vonnage certainly would have been a a property that absent the committee working with the owners of that property could have been in a similar situation. Thank you, Michael.
Obviously, negotiating continued. Uh, we were able to get out of them five acres for an EMS fire station, the senior center, also tearing up some of the parking lots to increase the open space. The bottom line is we will continue to fight back against Trenton man mandated housing, but as long as we are stuck
operating under the law, we will make the best decisions possible and Vonnage is an example of that. This presentation was meant to educate the public on the factors that went into the decision-making to demonstrate how the township committee has acted with the public's best interest in mind at all times. In fact, we're going to read
another bad bill that is being considered that I will also ask our attorney to explain. >> Thanks, mayor. So, uh, the we talked earlier about the fourth round affordable housing law that was adopted at the beginning of 2024 and is obviously, uh, cause for concern for for
our communities. Uh, there's currently a bill in the legislature that the League of Municipalities has kind of activated itself and is, uh, set forth a draft resolution to oppose. It's uh, Senate Bill S4736.
And specifically, this particular legislation would enhance the ability of religious and nonprofit organizations to convert certain property to inclusionary housing developments with affordable housing. Um, essentially preempting the municipal land use law process at the
municipal level and give uh such developers the right to develop without having to come before uh having to comply with the municipality zoning and go before its boards to ensure that. So, uh, there's a lengthy resolution that I believe the league had put forward that
I've shared with you each year. And I know, mayor, I think you're interested in a motion, uh, to send this resolution to adopt this resolution opposing Senate Bill S4736 and transmitting it to, um, it looks like the governor, the governor elect, and, uh, legislators.
>> Can we get a motion? >> Move. >> Second, >> Mr. Imprevado. >> Yes. Miss Lountton, >> yes. >> Mr. Lucarelli, >> yes. >> Mayor Foster, >> yes. >> The resolution that was just discussed
is successfully passed. Thank you. >> Thank you, Wendy. So, I think this township committee has been pretty clear on where we stand on development in town. We're the first township committee and I think it's over 15 years to actually use our open space funds to secure three different properties
beginning with former mayor Lucarelli, then former mayor Bontempo and we had another couple acquisitions this year and we have another one in the works as well. We are fighting this to every extent we can while also trying to protect this town and that's what we're going to continue to do. That's what we
elected to do. So that being said, I'm going to open up the floor for public comment. Come on up, Mr. Yanelloo. JNL. >> It's on. >> Yeah. JNL 18 Lwood Drive. Merry Christmas, Mr. Mrs. Hines. Um,
question. Everything you said, Brian, everyone, Mr. Collins I agree with. I am not someone there's people in town that are completely against the project. I was as you know on the committee to
assess the options there and I agreed with most of the committee. It's an okay option. Um here's where the problem is and I'm sure you saw I think there's almost a thousand watches now on that YouTube clip from the planning board. The
problem is, again, everything you're saying makes 100% sense, and I agree with it to a large degree. The problem is we're not doing a sanity check on that septic system, whatever you want to call it. I visited it this past weekend. Whether that's not allowed
or not, I don't know. I didn't see any signs. I visited it before when it was full. It's a lot different picture now. Not full. It's actually not that deep. the field. It's loaded with broken pipes and
industrial commercial like tractor tire. Part of the bank in one area looks like it's going to collapse in. Um, also the sprayer fields that will absolutely have to be used.
I I thought they were going to be big fields. They're not. They're narrow strips of land where at peak operating capacity, you're going to be sprinkler systems, affluent, not next to a building weight, you're going to be near million-dollar town
houses and other establishments with a lot of residents there. So my problem is as someone and we've traded phone tag this week, the committee that assessed the vonnage
that was okay with it was assured that that treatment plant would be taken with the utmost seriousness and I even heard from the the the owner's mouth, Bill from CCH, this is real real serious. I said, yeah, because this part of town is going to be very serious about that.
What I saw at that meeting and what I see at that facility is not seriousness. Meaning their engineer, first of all, our engineers thought we were going to have a whole new plant. Apparently, that's not the case. Now, their engineer and lawyer didn't even know the cost of the
repairs and upgrades, what it would be. They didn't even know what the maximum output from the prior, you know, land owners was. Here's the best part. They admitted on the record several times that we're basically going to build and see how it
goes. But so we'll build phase one, but we're actually going to be coming to you Homeell to move on phase two before there's actually a lot of usage full usage data on that wastewater system from phase one. Are you kidding me?
their own models as I'm sure you heard show that under the current D calculations all phase all the four phases can actually be done and they're optimistic that those numbers could be adjusted. So it's been a long day. I just want to look at my notes because
there's so much from that meeting. Um >> yeah, we just got to get to everybody though. Yeah, please be mindful that everybody else is here to speak as well. >> So again, I hear you. I'm with you. But We're really not thinking logically and
the condition of that facility, their lack of desire to totally upgrade it or or replace it. Again, why did our engineers think they were replacing it and they're not? Do we know why? No. Mr. Collins, you might have heard that. >> You have the right to speak. The one
thing I was going to share at the end, but if you're asking me a question. >> Yes. >> Okay. We got to >> we got to keep moving. >> No, I know. This is the elephant in the room, >> but it's not a Q&A. We We need you to finish up your comments. >> Me, so please finish up and I'll address what I can. >> Okay. So, I'll finish that point.
This isn't saying what we're considering. Again, we're going to start building and coming to you for phase two, but we don't even know if this thing can handle phase one. I mean, the bank ready to collapse, full of garbage. It's not percolating. It rained a couple days before I got there. The rain is sitting there.
>> You said this already. No, I didn't say about the percolating. I said that on the tape. You're a little >> what? >> You are repeating yourself on several points. Can you please finish? >> It's necessary because you're not looking at this in a >> It's not necessary for you to repeat
yourself. >> Okay, I'll move on to the other things. Okay. >> And what? There's a special meeting that you booked on December 22nd, >> correct? >> For general, >> what did you write? >> General business. What's general
business on December 22nd? >> We we actually didn't make the motion yet, but the the agenda the agenda will be posted prior to the meeting. >> General business, I would assume it's probably a vonnage vote, but why not just write that? >> Because why not just write it? >> Because that part isn't done yet.
>> Oh, okay. Um, one other thing. I'm sure it's hard to do it, but the Homeell road paving, while great, there's one manhole set in particular that's way too much of a dip.
Chris, I don't know if you see. It's bad. >> It's only going to get worse. So, I again, >> it's if you're coming from like um Hasllett or whatever, it's the second set, but it's bad and it's going to cause an accident. And uh the other
thing last thing is um you mentioned fence options around the horn. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The fence Carol Balmer's old property on Middletown Road. They put up a very nice black fence which is probably very
maintenancefree. I would consider something if unless you want a natural wood. >> Okay. If not natural, go with that one. That's my only suggestion. But I I'm wrapping up. >> Thank you. >> Please, you have to look at this sely. >> Thank you, Jay. Michael, would you like to respond?
>> Sure. >> So, Mr. Yanello clearly has been speaking with specific reference to um the planning board hearing, which the mayor referenced is ongoing. It's an application by the redeveloper for um subdivision and site plan approval. The
planning board is a separate quasi judicial body. So to the extent anyone here is talking about what's going on at the planning board, we up here cannot comment on that because we're not allowed to in any way prejudice their proceedings. So you have the right to make a comment. You have a first
amendment right if you want to come up and speak to that, but we're not going to be able to provide you an informed response about what the proceedings are over there. The township committee's jurisdiction is um specific to its role as redeveloper and to the affordable housing considerations that have
informed its redevelopment decisions that we spoke to earlier. So that was what I was going to share earlier and I appreciate um thank you for clarifying that. I respect that the last comment I promise. We disagreed Mr. Foster, but on the track of land you guys greatly preserved
next to St. Catherine's you said no I want I think we should have a name and you have your name and a plaque and all your names proudly protecting that if you guys who ultimately have the say on this matter if I didn't finish my comment if you guys ultimately approve
this because you have the right to approve it in its current state whether the planning board does or not if you approve it and it's an environmental disaster will you be comfortable with the sign with all your names saying we approved it >> thank you for your comments Come on up, Ralph.
>> Ralph Blumenthal, 41 Stony Brook Road. Thank you for your presentation and summarizing where we're at with regard to the affordable housing situation, which it just is one piece of uh it's a complex situation and I appreciate your
fighting to the extent that you can and it's not sometimes more uphill than anything else. Uh, one question about the fourth round and I think what you've done is in large measure select
developments which don't end up with a 5 to1 ratio or anything like that. I think that those are good choices. Uh, one thing I haven't heard about recently and with regard to the fourth round, there are a couple of newish
developments in home which I thought were going to generate some credits. First of all, the Meridian nursing or assisted living next to the shopping center
that may have been included. And those kinds of developments often have a health component and they're required to have a certain number of affordably beds in them and that does or should create some credits
that in the case of Meridian it may have been included with round three. I'm not sure. More recent than round three and more recent than any of that is bright view of around 35
So there again, I we have thought that that would have generated some credits, but I haven't heard anything about that. So are those credits being taken into account or what what's happening? >> Well, Bright View definitely would have been the third round because the fourth round obligations weren't out yet and
the development was done. Michael or Chris, do you have anything possibly? >> No, Breit View as well >> as well. >> Yeah, Breview was completed before the fourth round obligations were confirmed. So, mayor, the correct me if I'm wrong, Michael, but I believe it's only 10% um
for the uh affordable beds in any of these facilities and I believe it's required. So, they would have to have that 10%. So, it's got to be part of it would be part of that third round. It wouldn't >> we already but I think I don't know when View started. >> Well, we don't even have we technically
don't even have the fourth round yet. I mean, the fourth round hasn't even been approved yet. We're still we're still uh going through our so it doesn't count count towards the third. >> Check the calendar on bright view. I don't think it was on the table at all for any of the third round calculations. >> It it it might not be. I'm just saying
it wasn't part of the fourth round because it was already completed. But we will check into it for you for sure. Ralph, >> it may have slipped in between the two and somehow its credit should be able to be incorporated. >> And if I if I may really quickly just a question I think really Mike more
directed at you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the last mandate was like 260 units or something that we got hit with for in 2015, which you know, you guys the the mayor's gone through the math that probably meant like a thousand units overall if you start thinking about the the set, you
know, the set aides. Um, but out of that 260, I think there was a gap that was not completed if I'm not mistaken that got carried over to us. So Ralph, to your point, um, it's worth us looking at because perhaps the bright view component, if there's 10% med medicaid
or is Medicare, I never get that right. Medicaid beds apply, perhaps it fills some of that gap for us. I I don't know, but it's worth asking. >> Yeah. Anytime you can get 10 credits or for whatever >> rather than having to do something else worth pursuing.
>> Absolutely, Ralph. Thank you for your comments. >> Next comment. Come on up, Ron. >> Front Emma 32 Ladwood Drive. Uh I'm speaking as a citizen. Uh just full of disclosure. I am on the planning board. So that application is in front of uh us
currently. I have a question about the your math. I because I just don't know how the affordable housing works. I came up with 154 and a half credits that you went through. We had carryover >> from last the last mandate the last unfulfilled part of the mandate.
>> So 106 is is the fourth new on top of that. >> Yeah. >> So the the additional units will be put towards what was carried over. >> So >> yeah and by carryover just unfulfilled is really what we mean right. Sorry. But so and it was like 30 odd 38 or something.
>> Yeah. There was a proposed inclusionary project on the Kohl's property which obviously hasn't been developed because the property is um you know not developed right now. So that uh third round obligation had to be fulfilled as well as the fourth round obligation. So
I apologize if you're sitting there doing math. It makes sense that that is the missing uh >> so so in essence the 154 and a half is not is not extra. >> It's what we're facing right now. >> 106 is extra right? 106 was this year's brand new number from 106. Then we had
the carryovers that we're talking about. >> The unfulfilled obligation from the last round. >> So, we're we're ahead of the game. Is that That's what I'm getting at. >> Well, to be to be compliant with the game, for lack of a better term, you have to have submitted by June 30th a
plan to that to the state that >> to come up with 106 >> plus the Exactly. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Ron. Any other comments? I can't see the hand in the back. Wes, come on up.
>> Wes Fagan, 50 Chestnut Ridge Road. I'm on the planning board and environmental commission. The planning board testimony was provided at this last meeting that the developer >> sir Wes I'm just going to interrupt you. I'm not your counsel obviously. I would
defer to the planning board council but I just want to confirm. Are you making comments relative to the planning board application? >> Um these are personal comments. >> Well you're a sitting member of the planning board. That's why I'm asking. happen to be a member of the planning board and environmental commission and
um um these are observations I had at the last meeting. It's public knowledge what was said at the meeting. >> I'm not going to publicly speak to potential implications, but if you wish to proceed, I can't stop you.
>> The developer does not know the exact age of any of the disposal systems sections. Jordan Vault, the developer's engineer, testified that the lagoon actually started as a leech field, but there are no records. Like a septic system,
underground pipes spread out and dispersed the effluent. After some time, it is likely that the pipes clogged. The next iteration created dikes along the sides and poured the sewage into that same surface, creating a lake. The
sewage is expected to percolate down into the groundwater or evaporate while 40,000 gallons per day of waste continues to flow non-stop from the plant. When that system failed, likely because of clay soil or oversaturation,
the DP permitted the owners to disperse the sewage by spray onto the lawn or dump it into the stream. As the permit will supposedly still allow, the developer reserves the right to use the spray system. These spray
field locations are not shown on any plot plan. So, we don't know the location nor size nor area planned to spray 15,000 gallons of sewage every day from May to October every year.
The applicant's attorney directly testified that this effluent is termed graywater and that he visited entire communities out west who irrigate with their entire it with their entire town. However, in fact, gray water by
definition has no toilet contamination. So, at best this is a mischaracterization. This is black water, actually sewer water. any and all spray areas become fenced off restricted access zones.
These are not shown on any plans and we don't know where they are. The public questioned if the lagoon will smell and requested water samples to consider the odors and clarity factors. The engineer replied, "If there were no odor problems in the past, I don't see
why there would be problems in the future." When I asked if the lagoon sewer water is stagnant, the answer was no because it is percolating into the ground. The plant had violations issued
in 20 of the last 24 D inspections. The developer acknowledges there were no there were violations, but is certain that they can be cured without even knowing what they are. My understanding of D punitive actions are either
violations or fines. The developers engineer said that 22, excuse me, 23 Main Street Limited Liability Corporation would be responsible for those fines. The cost to truck away the sewage if something broke down is
estimated at $30,000 per month. The attorney stated that the potential for breakdown is incredibly low. He said there is no requirement and therefore no intent to post a bond. When I asked the developer's engineer
the size of the lagoon, he did not know. If he read the permit, he would have seen the dimensions of 662 by 140 ft are printed right on the permit. I asked for a location of any site within New Jersey
that has a similar setup. He knew of Wes, you want to turn that on and off? See if that works. Is >> this on? Yes. >> Please continue. >> He would have seen if he read the permit the size of the lagoon. I asked for the
location of any site within New Jersey that has a similar setup. He knew of none. TNM provided testimony that they have no objections to the proposed upgrades. When they wrote in their submitt on September 30th that a new
package plant will be installed, they subsequently testified that they meant refurbished, not new. The Collier's concept plan was neither signed nor stamped by any engineer. This project hinges on a maximum flow of 40,000
gallons per day. The first three phases are projected to produce 39,000 gallons. I'm retired from a company named industrial controls. The spec the specification of flow meters was part of my professional expertise. So I took
interest in the plant upgrade to see exactly where the metering is done now and in the rehab. Unbelievably the drawing has no mention of existing meters or of any new flow meters to measure gallons coming into nor leaving
the plant. The plot plan legend shows a monitoring well symbol, but no wells are shown on the plant. I know because I've been there and I've seen and I have photos of at least four that are in this steep slope. Section 30-116,
paragraph E1 of our development regulations require the stream buffer of any Hop Brook tributary to be 150 ft. Only 100 ft are drawn on the plans. The lagoon is entirely within and would no longer be allowed in the 300 foot
conservation easement by today's standards. The Homeell Environmental Commission letter asked for an on-site visit to be scheduled to view and confirm the stream, the wetlands, and conservation zones. The developer has not agreed to that. The professionals
involved are of the view that these concerns are outside of the limited jurisdiction of the planning board. They say we must put aside our concerns to trust and defer to the D for matters associated with our drinking water. >> How much longer this is going to be?
>> One paragraph. >> The planning board bylaws allows a special on-site meeting to be convened with two affirmative votes. If we can schedule an on-site, we might gain a better understanding of the issues being raised. The potential and real liability associated with occurrences of Zika,
West Nile, malaria, and sephilitis will attract a broad attention from legal party interests. Further, I respectfully request that the township committee needs to consider how to deflect future legal responsibility and monetary awards
onto the LLC and the professionals being employed. Thank you. >> Thank you, Wes. Any other comments? Any other comments? Okay, come on up, please. >> Kristen Solero, 5 Hot Brook Lane.
So, we look at this and we see a development that completely goes against the home master plan. How does the town justify going against our own master plan? >> This isn't a Q&A session. This is public comments. Oh, okay. Ter,
>> so we appreciate the history lesson. We know it's a thinly veiled damage control tactic and you're trying to scare us also with the citations of Colts neck and Middletown. Thank you for that. But I think we're smarter than that.
Um, you say you're being transparent. It doesn't mean that we actually believe you. You cannot gaslight us into believing your talking points. When we talk to people about vonnage, nobody knows about it. Are they? And they're outraged. What does that tell you? We
live across the street from Bondage. Where was our notification of the redevelopment agreement? So, you guys sit there and you say, "Well, it aderes to the redevelopment agreement." We only got the uh notification when um it was time for them to come before and then
it's a circular argument because you say, "Oh, well, it meets the redevelopment agreement." So, what does this tell you? It tells me that it's a rigged process. >> That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you.
Any other comments? >> Come on up, sir. >> Hey, Franco 5h Hotbrook. >> Uh I know the affordable housing you guys are pushing, but does that mean that we need to sacrifice our drinking water with what's going on? What potentially can go on? I mean, it seems
that the state is pushing this on everybody and inviting contamination to our drinking water. And it's up too bad. You guys need to meet a quota. Why don't we get better? We're home though. Why can't we get better? Why can't we get a state-of-the-art sewer treatment plant that's going to keep up, that's not
going to fail? Because when I sat here the other night and asked about that lagoon, because there is a service life on them, and the engineers said it's not original to the building that was put up. They don't know when, but I look back at aerials from 1979. That lagoon is fully operational and
fully full back in 1979. That's less than two years than when Vonnage, you know, kicked up open. So to to tell us halftruths and say, you know, they don't know and and and essentially lie to us about it. Where do we go from here? You
know, the Willowbrook is going to be contaminated. They admitted that they can't take, you know, pharmaceuticals, medical, you know, heavy metals or whatever out of the uh the the gray water which they're calling it. It's going to It's going to get airborne. Everybody knows I own a farm over there. I feel threatened by this. I know you
guys don't because I guess everybody's on the other side of town and we don't care about the north side. So when they stick it with us, you know, you guys don't get anything on the south. But we don't have the luxuries the north side of town has. We don't have sewers. We have failing septic systems, you know, and we have advantage that we're being
forced to put up with whatever you guys feel necessary to put there. I feel we don't have a voice in this. Even though of, you know, recent months, we feel we do. We're we're really this is being pushed on us and really I mean like how do we how do we how do I say something
that's going to get through to you guys that you know the values of our homes are going to be affected by this? Our drinking water is going to be affected by this. The school system is going to be affected by this. Our taxes the values of our homes are all going to be affected by this. This has got to stop. You allow this. Who's to stop say SS
White from from that project being bought up and then the state wants more houses there. I I get it. Colts neck kicked the can down the road with affordable housing for god knows how long and they're they're sending it you know where. But we're home though. I mean we we can stick together find a
better place for this. Not on a category one should be retributing. It you there's got to be a better plan. >> Thank you for your comments, Pete. >> Any other comments? Come on up, Bill.
Hi. Uh, Bill Little, 8 Coventry Square. Uh, two quick things. Um, one is I'm I'm really concerned about the, you know, phase one and then we'll see how much effluent there is and then we'll try to do phase two. I mean, I'm not a I'm not in business, but from what I hear
business people say, hope hope is not a strategy. You know, we hope it works. That's not good enough. Um the other thing is is if there's a real failure, not just you know having to spray and
stuff like that um who what body has the responsibility and the authority to require remediation >> and fixing things. So that's my question. >> Michael, can you comment on any of that or >> I'm sorry. and and is it in writing
because we all know if it's not written down it doesn't exist. >> Well, I'm not going to be able to give you anything in writing here. I wish the tachip engineer were here. Although, like I said earlier, we really can't speak to specifics, but I would say generally speaking, uh these wastewater issues are controlled by D regulations.
So, I think to answer your question, it would be D compliance that would be an issue. >> Any further comments? Any other f further comments? One second. Pete, come on up. Matt. Pete, we'll go through everybody else before we come back.
>> Hey guys, Matt Weisfeld, 10 Riverside High Lane, home, New Jersey. I got to admit, you guys actually taught me some stuff and what I came up here to talk about, I'm kind of pivoting on the fly. And I just did a little chat GPT. So I'm no lawyer like Mike over here. You've
got this stuff down. But that being said, I feel like, and I am kind of looking at you two guys. I know your families have been here a long time. I feel like in both cases, you guys have your hands tied by things from the 70s. I just learned a lot about Mount Laurel.
Holy crap. What a terribly done thing that has nothing to do with you guys. And holy crap, speaking of crap, Vonnage is literally getting screwed by something from the 70s. How come home is adopting all of this old nonsense? And
frankly, I I was going to read it off, but again, it's a chat GPT thing. I don't want Mike, what are you talking about, man? Come on. Why don't we fight it? Why don't we just say no? I just checked out New Jersey. There's no record because everyone's afraid. And it looks like they're all turning on each
other. they're doing. Again, guys, I'm literally going off of what I just gleamed and a quick because this is not at all what I was going to say, but you guys have taught me a lot because if your hands are tied that much, you don't want the builder's remedy. Guys, check out the builder's remedy. It's
frightening. My point is we are Home Dell. Let's start. And I am a business owner, so you know it the business mind standpoint and everything else. Why don't we just fight it? There is really no backend, you know, anything on it. Let's be the first. Let's be the ones
that say stop screwing with our town and putting you guys in terrible positions because at the core of it, I'm sure every one of you don't want to build. I mean, I hope or something. And in reality, everything I'm looking at, I want to Mayor I came in here pretty pissed at you. I'm with all of you guys.
I'm tempered by learning a little bit more. When I look that up, I'm like from the 70s. That's why my overall comment is screw it. We're gonna be blowing a lot of money on all the lawsuits and stuff, the GoFundMes, the just to fix the water. If we're going to blow the money anyway, let's go after the state.
Come on. Let's get Vicky FLYNN IN HERE. LET'S GET all the people in. Let's do this. I'm like, and I'm not even kidding. You know, I'm in here with my freaking flip flops like a lunatic and I really want to get back home because there's way too many kids there. But seriously, let's freaking fight it. Let's Enough with this crap. Are we Home
Dell or we a bunch of chumps? THAT'S THIS IS WHY WE moved here. And guys, this is why again was turning to you guys. I'll leave it at that. I made my point. I think I got a little excitement going on over there. I'd rather a lawsuit of fighting the stuff that keeps screwing us rather than whatever lawsuits that may or may not happen with
fixing Vonnage. And you don't have to I don't have to hold this, but like if we're if there's going to be money spent in lawsuits either way, doesn't it kind of make sense? Wink wink. You just kicked me over the table later. It's all good. Anyway, thank you for the time. Seriously, let's just say no.
Mayor, if I can just Thank you, Matt. Go ahead. Would you mind if I just jump in real quick? And Matt, I appreciate that. Um, >> so I, you know, look, I there's no excuses here on anything and I want to be very clear about that. We are the first governing body in 40 years to sue the state over this mandate. That's when
Mike mentioned the Mont veil. Am I allowed to talk here, Mike? Okay. >> Yes, absolutely. >> Because I know there's like touchiness when I start going down this road. Honestly, we've been very public about I mean, and the lawsuit's very public and I think it's worth educating the public because more people understand about what's going on.
>> So, just so just rein me in if I start going too far. >> Let me just throw one thing out. I know everybody I know you're all worried about political advancement, everything else, all that stuff. Frankly, guys, I don't give a crap as long as you do good stuff that's going to be good for my kids cuz I just don't want my three kids to fight whatever mistakes we make 20
years from now. So, just to throw that out there. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, so we were the first governing body. We are the first governing body in over 40 years to to present a legal challenge to the state. Okay. So to Mike's point, we parallel pathed it. >> That's happening, right? That's the thing. >> That's we're in the midst of it. It started under me and then and then we got denied at the state level and then
it got pushed to federal and Brian put his own name on it because it had to be a per like it had to be a person attached to it. So that's still going on and we're still escalating and still fighting. So that legal challenge has been going on now 18 months 20 almost 20 almost two years at this point I think. Mike, is that right? or they separate
legal challenges, whatever they are. >> Yeah. No, I literally I'm the attorney of record in all these cases. Um, and in the federal case, as I mentioned earlier, uh, the mayor is an individual plaintiff. The township is a named party. The mayor signed a motion this
past Friday asking the federal court to place on hold the March 15, 2026 deadline, and that's coming up next year. That deadline is the one where every municipality that's participating before the program either needs to implement the zoning which in most
instances will require highdensity housing or they lose their immunity and a developer can file a builder's remedy lawsuit the next day. >> So we're literally this fight is ongoing as of this past every day. to be prudent and and and and to be frank,
these are very difficult legal challenges to win, >> right? So, we had to parallel path the effort. We present a legal challenge to the state. We sue the state effectively and we work within the structure to negotiate the mandate down. Okay? So, the mandate originally came in at 133
units. Kim Le Point, our deputy mayor, that negotiated the number down to the 106 that we're faced with now. Again, not carrying the unfulfilled mandate from the prior. So, so we operated within the system to negotiate down in case we lose the legal battle. We
couldn't just put all the eggs in one basket because then if we don't comply with the state regulation and lose, now we can get hit with builders remedy lawsuits >> all across the board to Brian's point about the development on Nut Swamp Road. Like that's going to be a disaster. It's in Middletown, but Homedale gets impacted, right? Like so so that was the
that's the context in terms of what we were trying to accomplish or what we've been trying to negotiate navigate and challenge. Nobody is looking and again Mike I don't I don't want to go too far here on things that I can't say so just pull me back in you know when needed
because I don't want to get us caught up in a legal jam here. No one ever looked at and and Jay you alluded to this. No one ever looked at the development proposed for Vonnage and said, "Boy, I can't wait to put my name on this, right? What what the what was what was
this, you know, what was evaluated, right, were things that are viable in this day and age and in this context in this county. So, what's viable these days? Not acceptable to us, but what's viable? A distribution center, >> right, which like an Amazon thing, we don't want that there, right? A storage
facility, we don't want that there. We looked at data centers. data center nice quiet no impact on infrastructure except for the massive amounts of energy it would take right so that wouldn't work right so I'm just it's process of elimination right so and then go down the line uh 300 toll condominiums we
don't want that there either the impact on infrastructure police fire schools you know it like the downstream impact of this type of density like doesn't get calculated right and so and then ends up costing us money later on um you know and it wasn't you know
people brought up rec centers. I talked to two owners of recreation facilities. They both told me point blank if to even hope to turn a profit, that building will have to be packed and there'll be have to be traffic in downtown Homedale in South Homeell from 3 p.m. to 10 p.m. every single night and all weekend.
Okay? There's already traffic on 520 that we've never seen before, at least not in our history here in the town. Right? So that so even if it could work from a from a profitability standpoint, it still wouldn't work in terms of the town, the infrastructure, and the impact that it would have, right? So when you
when you start going down the line on all the potential options for 88 acres and a 350,000t building, you start winnowing down very quickly to threading a needle quite frankly, right? I think there's someone had even mentioned, well, what about a shopping, you know, sort of complex? >> What's that?
>> Grove 2.0 I know or like a Jersey Shore outlets. I mean, I live in South Homedale, too, by the way. Like, I don't think people would appreciate a shopping commerce center, right, with traffic in and out on weekends and nights and you know, and evenings for people to go shopping and, you know, and I I just
don't, again, I live in South Homedale. I see the traffic that we can't do much about right now because the road's not wide enough for the population increase, etc., etc. So, when you start looking at all of these options, they sound nice on paper. There are things to consider and there are things to evaluate. And we did, right? It was part of the work the
ad hoc committee did and and it was and and and we came out of it and said this is not sexy, right? This is not like a amazing there's going to be a three-stage assistant, you know, continuing care retirement community here, right? Awesome. But what the evaluation yielded was
that building once held 2,000 people in it on this property when if if it's done to completion if all four phases are completed between residents and workers you're going to have somewhere in the neighborhood I believe of 7 I believe 700 total >> 680 there you go. So, so a third less
than a third of what used to populate that area will be now populating this complex so to speak, this development, right? So, you take a step back and say, okay, far fewer people than have ever been there. Hope Wendy's not holding me to three minutes. Um, far fewer people have ever been popularly been in that
complex other than COVID are going to be in that complex, right? Older folks like >> Yeah. They're trying to give me the hook. They're going to start playing the music. Um, so they're going to be older folks. They're just not I mean, let's be frank, they're not going to be as
mobile, right? So, we're not going to worry about impact necessarily on roads, right? They're donating 5 acres for us to put a fire and EMS hub in South Homeell, right? Which over time we can build and we can sustain. Um, we're going to get a 7,000 foot senior in the complex for Homeell residents, for all
Homedale residents. These were the negotiating sort of pieces that came in to make sure there's some benefit to the town with this, right? And so then when we get to so so functionally right and then there's no impact on the school system whatsoever. And by the way and I'll and I'll wear it. I said publicly two year two years ago last year you
know when this you know if this goes through we promise to keep the schools whole or better. Okay. We're not taking money out of their pocket right on on this. Like that was never the intention or never anything. And that's it's it's a public statement I made right and I'll wear it. So now all when all those
factors come into play, what you see is a situation that works, right? Not one that again, you know, everybody's like cheering for here, right? But it works given the constraints and given the fact that we were negotiating with a proverbial gun to our head because our
our attorneys specifically told us if we don't get a decision on that property by October of 2024, the state will mandate between 6 and 800 units there. Okay? Largely affordable. Okay? So that was that was the so as we're trying to winnow down the options and what we need
to get to and and get to something that works. We had to get something locked in. Otherwise, the challenge would be presented and it wouldn't have been 133 units that we got to ask. It would have been far more. Mind you, you're dealing with a state that came to us last year and said, "You guys have plenty of room.
How about right here?" And our attorney said, "Well, that's the PNC Bank parking lot." And then they said, "Well, what about over here?" And Mike said, "Well, that's our swim club, right?" So, there is no logic. There is no rationale any clear rationale behind how they do what
they do and what they calculate. This is why we're fighting it because it's it's it's beyond comprehension, right? They don't do their homework. They don't try. They just look at a calculation and make things up from my opinion. Okay. Now, so all that said, that's how like so the
timeline the mayor presented, this is public record. It is accurate. I've made many statements like the one I'm making now to you many times over. What I will say is we are in agreement when it comes to, you know, and we're all in agreement when it comes to not compromising on public safety. And public safety, I
mean, uh uh uh, you know, the sanitary conditions, the drinking water, etc. I can't speak to the engineer reports. I think we're going to double down and take a hard look at that if and when this comes to us, right, to be very clear. But I will also say that you're dealing with and and not I'm not a
engineer, right? I'm just speaking from my personal perspective and the perspective I've had from the beginning on this with and I you know whatever that packing plant has held over time. It used to handle appropriately a
building that had 2,000 people in it and now we're dealing with a maximum of 680 give or take in that in that area alone you know on any given day. Now the next question would be well these people are going to need medical assistant and their waste is going to be have
chemicals in it. I think we can all >> I got to stop. >> I know that the storm water waste water has been specific topic for the planning board. I think we should keep our conversation to the governing body's role which is sorry I always get in trouble. I go too
far but but sounds like you put a lot of time into that. You you've honestly been working on that for like two years. >> Well, we all have and so look the ultim ultimately look and I'll leave it at this. >> No one is looking you know no one's looking to make any decision detrimental to the town. We're working to make the
best decision we can to deliver on the task at hand. And the task at hand was to protect as much property as we could as appropriately as we could. That's why we've preserved like 67 acres over the past couple of years. Right? We got Potter's Farm, we got the Horn antenna under DJ, we got the property next to
St. Cathine's and we're chasing one other property of 40 odd acres as well. Pavis, you know, that'll, you know, that'll be a hundred acres, give or take a, you know, that we've procured in the past three years, starting with DJ and following through. So, I'm not, this is not deflection. It's not an excuse. It's
reality. The reality is we are procuring property as fast and as much as we can to prevent development on it. We prevented the development on Potter's Farm and we procured that property and that's gone through. That's that's been our aim. Number one, our goal is to do that is to take property and ensure it's
not going to be developed. But what we've always said from the beginning was if there was nothing, we want nothing to remain. If there was something on a property, there's likely going to be something there again. And whether or not the thing is right or we agree on what the execution of it is, that's sort
of been the sentiment we've had. And so without getting in particular about, you know, you know, before I get myself in trouble again, that's the perspective. And again, I'm not trying to convince everybody. I want people to understand the rationale because we all live here, too. So we don't, you know, we're not
looking for for something that's going to be detrimental to the town either. >> Not the head zoning guy. He's out, but I'm kidding. >> No, but so that's so that's ultimately the point here, right? So there are concerns. I'm sure they are viable. I can't get into that piece of things. Um they're worth considering and discussing, I'm sure, but at the end of
the day, this is how we got here. This is where we are, and we don't, you know, we're not making this decision lightly. We're approaching three years on this project. by the way. Um I think I wrote an article about it in patch last year as well, right? Like so you know we've been as public with this as we possibly
can. Um and I understand not everybody pays attention. They have lives but we're here not by the snap of a finger. We're here after almost 36 months. And if I may, I'm not I know not Q&A but saying positive everything else because I like that. I had no clue up until
literally like you know 15 minutes ago. These are the kind of things where again I mean I'm sure most of the you know you guys don't even know about this. This is where I think I can speak for everyone. We want to help like in the sense that I mean frankly there's some past things that I think were great but could have been fleshed out a little bit better. Um and there's I just feel like there's so
many people between CEO between everybody rated I mean hey some people just not going to like you guys. There's some people you're just not going to like. I'm not going to get into it but you know I mean like I I think we're pretty good guys over here. Whatever point is like I knew nothing about this. And frankly, off the record, I'll filibuster the crap out of this stuff so
we can just hold off vonnage till we fight the state because that's to me what the solution should be. And I get about having that second opportunity. But to me, it just feels like we're getting clouded by the big fish. The big fish being our hands are being held. And you know what? After looking it up, it looks like every town is too soft and
too weak. Why are we not the leaders? We should be the ones saying no. And I'm glad you are. Any of you know about that? Now, not I don't know if I'm allowed to do that, but again, I I I think I'm decently informed. I'm not with everything. I'm all over the place. Three kids, you guys get you got four. But the point is, I don't even think any
of us know about the builder's remedy or any of these other things that you guys are going through. I'll leave it at that because it's getting late and it's Thanksgiving. So, >> thank you, Matt. Thank you for Thank you for chiming in. Anybody else? Public comment. >> Mr. Trash, come on up.
Where's the food? Coffee for closers. Good. Good evening. Lance loopy uh line road. Um I I was at the meeting where you voted on this. I spoke my piece then. I'm against against it then. I'm against it
still. But I think the I know this isn't a Q&A, but I think the there's really nothing that can be done at this point. Right. The committees voted on it as long as they comply with all of the zoning requirements. Right. Right. That
>> So that's that. So I think unfortunately the time to speak is probably passed itself. Right. I wish there was a lot of people here. There actually there was not a lot of people here that night that you voted. It was very quiet and most of the people that did speak were in favor
if not all except for me. Um, so I'm sure I'm not a fan with the people behind me now, but whatever. Uh, question. We spent how much on pickle ball courts? >> 1.3 >> 1.3 million. >> I think we've given those numbers
before. We can get it again. We got a bunch of grants for >> I think we had 800 in grants or something along those lines. Do you have any usage stats on those pickle ball courts that we spend all the time? >> We'll definitely have them out, but the usage actually really ramped up towards the end of the uh summer and the >> It is fall. There's no no. >> You go up there on the weekends, they're
pretty packed. >> Gotcha. Because I've looked on the calendar several occasions, it's pretty open the calendar. >> I think a lot of folks aren't >> using the calendar. >> So, if you drive by, I mean, it's getting colder now, but if you would drive by in temperate weather, >> I can almost guarantee you you'll see them in use.
>> Okay. >> As I have. >> Okay. Um, >> just curious because that was that was a lot of money. Grant money. I mean, where does the grant money come from? Comes from us. So, you know, we could say it's grant money, but ultimately comes from us, right? It's tax dollars. >> Yeah. It was it was what? A state recreation grant, I guess. Yeah. Something like that.
>> But it comes from us. Okay, that's it. Thank you, >> Lance. Thank you, >> Pat. Thank you. You too, Lance, >> Patrick Tuskita, 56 Line Road. First of all, uh, thanks to Chris on the horn antenna. Anything we can do to move that up. Just want to have the public be in
have access to the, uh, creation of the universe up at Crawford Hill. Um, I've watched I want to commend the, uh, the committee on how they've handled the uh, first through fourth rounds of Mount
Laurel. It's not Mount Laura's been around for 40 years. It's not easy for a town. For the fourth round, as I said, uh when the uh plan was put together, I think it threaded the needle uh to what
we can do. And um when we look at it, building a uh place behind coals and uh bondage redevelopment, you look at bondage, as I stated many times before, it's a dilapidated uh building that's
long past its use. Uh what could we build there? Well, the committees and uh different ad hoc committees looked at that. Putting what we're putting there right now to me looks pretty good. Um
phase one is 104 senior housing. Uh the town gets five acres for um potentially a new first aid uh squad and fire EMS building. Um and we get a new senior
center. Uh I have no doubts that the uh uh the u environmentals will be maintained and the bucolic conditions of Homedale will continue and our water will continue to be safe from New Jersey American water.
So I want to thank uh the committee for proceeding on the way and commend them and uh move forward with uh this into 26. >> Thank you Pat. I I went and looked at >> Jay, please. >> I I had no smell. Um saw it and uh yeah,
there's some cleanup that needs to be done, but uh >> Thank you, Pat. >> Nothing major. >> Any further public comments? >> Come on up. >> No, no. Yeah. Anything? Yeah, please.
>> Wanted to clarify that. Um, Bill Fabani, 13th Street, Bri Lane, Homeell, Mayor Foster, and members of the township committee. Uh, I'm Bill Fabani. I'm here representing my wife Karen, my 10-year-old son. Uh, we live at 13th Street, Ry Lane in Homeell, our property
share the border with Casola Farms. We have serious concerns about the negative impact on our health and peaceful enjoyment of our property and the negative impact that can solar farms I quote all new merry Mile of Lights drive-thru will have on township as a
whole. While I noticed a couple of weeks ago that Cassol Farms installed new holiday lighting on the back of their property, the side of property that faces the the houses side that faces uh Route 34. It wasn't until yesterday that I became aware of new usage that is
advertised as a quote a mile long drive-thru holiday trail with again quote millions of dazzling lights. The car route is just uh feet from our shared property line. The new usage arguably is not in any way related to
agricultural agriculture as evidenced by the annual magic of lights display at the non-farm PNC bank uh PNC art center. Uh which by the way is a cheaper option for a lights display than those solar farms. Um,
this is going to lead to a steady stream of of cars moving at slow speeds and emitting noxious emissions essentially in my backyard. Um, it is advertised as being opened on Wednesdays to Sunday. This will create unnecessary nighttime noise that will directly impact many
school children uh who live in the houses that are adjacent to the Casola property and who sleep during the time that this is going to be open. I believe that in 2002, the township and Casola Farms after a number of legal actions agreed to standards uh of
operation for the October hay rides and uh Christmas tree sales. The hay rides are only allowed on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. And and from what I read, specifically 60 watt or less bulbs, this was 2002. Um and 40 ft of distance
between temporary lighting on the hay ride. were specified. This new usage, which does not appear to have been cleared with township in any way, uh clearly with its millions of dazzling lights will exceed that and they clearly
state that they're open on Wednesdays and Thursdays for this uh endeavor. There's another critical difference. current hay ride is fully operated by Casola employees who drive a few tractors on a loop and it passes by my
house every three or four minutes or so. Usage has potential to have an unlimited number of cars driving bumper to bumper and potentially honking the whole way past my house and my neighbor's homes. That doesn't happen with hay rides.
PNC Arts Center magic of lights display provides us with a clear picture of what this could be and clearly that's not what we want in our community next to our homes. There are good reasons that such holiday light displays occur on parcels like the
PNC property, not along residential uh home properties. Businesses are important to our community. Also important is the right of our residents to have a safe, healthy and peaceful enjoyment of our property. The farm's new usage jeopardizes that
this new drive-thru is inconsistent. The township's already established operating agreement with solar farms. I understand that township is aware of this of these concerns and aware that others uh have raised it as well. I also am aware that township is looking into these concerns
concerns. Immediate action by the township is needed to stop this usage before it starts this Friday. I thank you for the opportunity to speak with you tonight, >> Bill. Thank you for coming down. We obviously received your email and we've have started to uh look into it. I'm going to let our attorney come.
>> I'm not going to be able to say too much. What I will say is that uh obviously the members of the township committee aren't the ones who would issue a violation if there were ever a zoning violation. That's the zoning official, the zoning officer. So, uh I believe whether it was yourself or someone has raised this particular
issue. It's being reviewed. Um there are potential implications with the Right to Farm Act. So, we'll review those internally. Um, and if the zoning officer has jurisdiction, the zoning officer will, you know, follow the law as appropriate. Um, so I would follow up on whatever you may have submitted to
the township. >> So, um, the, uh, communication that you're referring to is not mine. It's from a a neighbor who also shares that property line. The issue right now is um, they start this on Friday. Um,
I'm hearing process which for all I know is ending in January after a month of this after the time of this happening. So my uh my push is for action and quick action. Um and
and I thank the uh township committee for for hearing me out and I appreciate the the appropriate bodies in town uh governance um whether zoning or wherever uh addressing it. And I I I we have an
agreement 2002 that clearly outlines operating uh requirements for them for similar type functions. It seems to me that this is a an open and shut uh uh discussion with them. Thank you. Thank you, Bill, and thank you for your patience. We will be looking into that.
Any other further public comments? Seeing none, Pete, did you want to >> please? Yep. >> Peter, five hopper plane. >> Uh there is no mitigation plan in case it did fail and there is no spillway if that was to breach and catch 6 million
gallons of gray or black water into the brook. What you before. Um, also, uh, Roco, if I may, um, 600 people at 125,000 125 gallons a day is 75,000 gallons of what's supposed to go through
that plant. Um, Vonnage was a building of 1,700 people uh, for eight hour use, 5 days a week, not 247, 365. So, uh, that just kind of makes it a lot worse now that you look at it on paper. Um, also, uh, with the affordable housing,
if they do bail after phase one because the system can't handle it, phase one gets 21 affordable, phase two gets 13, phase three gets six. So, after phase one fails with only 21 affordable units built, what happens with the 13 and then
the six, where do we put them? Uh, also, um, there is work being done at the Vonnage sewer treatment plant. I went on the SDL portal. There are no permits that are open. Uh there is work going on there every day. Uh I walk through there. Um you know, whether I can or can't. Sometimes I even drive through
it. Uh there's people, they're doing masonry work. There's valves coming in and out of that building, containers being filled, grates off the top of the uh the tanks that are underground. Um just want you guys to know I did take pictures. I did send them to the building department. I never heard back. Um but I'd appreciate if somebody
followed through with it. That's all. Thanks. >> Thank you, Pete. Before we move forward, can we please get a motion for item 16 on the agenda, please? >> Motion. >> Just for the record, this is the uh the
motion to schedule the special meeting for December 22nd. Uh 6:30 executive, 7:30 public, just like we normally do. It's on Monday rather than Tuesday in light of the Christmas holiday towards the end of the week. And as mentioned earlier, right now it's a regular
business meeting so that we could conduct regular business just like we normally do. I think we were ambitious with the meeting schedule this year hoping to have one meeting in December, but it looks like, you know, we'll need to. >> Mr. Impravadoodle, >> yes. >> Miss Lamount, >> yes. >> Mr. Lucarelli, >> yes. >> Mayor Foster,
>> yes. >> The December 22nd. >> Ma'am, did you have a public comment? >> Please come on up. Absolutely. >> Hi. Sorry. Michelle Angelene. 197 Oaks Drive. Uh I just had a question about, you know, in the last meeting that I watched, it was a lot of like the D sets
the guidelines. I'm just wondering like can we hold can we have like independent um I don't know water experts or something come in. I don't I know this is like a comment or a question. It's more of a question >> more for the planning board. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. So no one would be able to Okay. Okay. So then I would just like to state that that would be my preference and I represent many mothers my age who cannot get here at this time right before Thanksgiving who also feel the same way.
>> Well, thank you very much. >> Come on up Alicia 8 Riverside Lane. I appreciate you all trying to explain a lot of this to us this evening. feels like there's a lot of fear-mongering going on. Um, when I hear numbers like six to 800 units being
built on that property advantage, it simply wouldn't happen. It couldn't occur there. We can't we can't build it there because of that water plant. It's not able to handle it. Can we push back on the builders and explain that to
them? Who's fighting for us? We go to the planning board meeting, they can't answer us. We come here, you say the planning board, who is going explain to somebody that this isn't going to work. This can't work. Guys, we've talked to the experts. I know you want it to work.
It we can't push a a square hole in a round peg. We can't whatever it is. We can't do it. It's not going to work. This isn't working. Using a third of the lifestyle area, you're you're bringing up the number. A third of what is being used, you had said
>> a third of the capacity, right? That was >> capacity, I assure you, is not the case. We're going to be at over 100% at that wastewater treatment plant. Their own engineer said we need every treatment like this needs to be built specifically for the usage. This is not the usage
that it is for. It is going to fail and it is a question of when, not if. It's going to fail. And at that point, are those units going to still be built? When they said if we can't get to the third and fourth phase, we just won't build them. Then what do we do as a town? What are you guys going to do at
that point? >> It means the property has two phases built and that's it. >> What about all the affordable housing that was promised? >> Well, there was there was a spillover from the last mandate and I presume the spillover would go into the next one. We had to we had to cover up. We had to cover for the last mandate that wasn't
fulfilled and I I presume that would happen again for the next one. Now, I will also say if you've ever seen what happened in Colts neck, the state does not care about environmental regulations. They don't what as long as the words affordable housing or mandated housing are part of the discussion. The
state, the judges, the courts do not care about environmental mandates. >> But then we have to. >> Of course we do. But my point is you said they can't do 600 800 units. Yes, they can and they will. >> Not with that treatment plant. >> Nobody said they were going to use that
treatment plant if it goes that route. They could force them to put in sewers. There there's just look across the state at what's happened with the builder's remedy suits. We just mentioned the project right down the block behind St. Catherine's for for Middletown. Do you think that fits on that property? It's not even close to fitting on >> situation. Do you guys understand that
we're worse than that situation? And you're talking about it like that's the worst case scenario. We are worse. >> I I >> Are you prepared for what's going to happen? We all live here. You say you live here. You say you care. Why do we all see it, but you can't see it? Why is
that happening? Why do we have to keep reminding you about this wastewater treatment plant that cannot house these residents? >> I have not I mean I have not heard an engineer report. >> You seem to be the most talkative. >> Yeah. Know it's typically the story of my life. I'm typically the one that's
always they got to shut me down. I've not heard anything from the engineers both ours or theirs that said it can't handle it. >> So I'll be honest, you guys weren't here that night. They couldn't answer 75% of the questions that were asked. who holds us who holds them responsible? Why do these meetings happen if they
can't answer the question? >> Well, look, and that that's why there I mean, look, there's and to to Mike's point, they're a separate separate governing body that we can't comment on. And I went a little bit further before than I should have, but that's why the process exists. And so, there's another meeting as far as I know on what the
16th, >> you know, and that that's that's that's how the process is supposed to go. And you know, all these checkpoints along the way. And listen, >> rush to this meeting on December 16th. Why is there such a rush? >> But again, there's not it's been three years. >> It's been almost three years.
>> You guys had an ad hoc committee last year which gave you eight brilliant ideas. This was the last one. >> Hold on. I I went hold on hold on. I went through all the eight brilliant ideas. Distribution center, storage center, right? 300 condos. Okay. Data center.
>> You didn't agree with the ad hoc committee that you that you appointed? >> Are you kidding me? I wanted a university there. there was a university looking to relocate. I wanted to put that there and the ad hoc committee didn't agree with me. So that was that was what I that's what I wanted. I thought it would have been >> a couple times. >> We met with him a couple times. I met with the president of university a
couple times to put it there. Um yeah, I'm going too far, Mike. All right, I'll stop. >> Yeah, I think we'd all like to know who else offered who else offered to go into that space. Somebody else must have offered. >> No, >> nothing. No. >> So my final question to all of you is, are you offering them
>> a pilot program? >> Speak to those. >> Yeah. There's no secrets here. I think >> there are actually because there's two different development plans. One has it and one doesn't. >> The the redevelopment plan, the redevelopment agreement that was adopted um has a provision in it that the township committee uh would agree to
extend them a pilot. A pilot agreement under the long-term tax exemption law can only be awarded if they demonstrate a need um a gap in the project that requires it in order for the project to be completed. Our professionals are currently working with uh the redeveloper to evaluate their financials
and the township committee if if it's warranted under the statute uh will consider that. >> And at the end of the day, who suffers these pilot programs? Our school that's already >> See, again, that's incorrect. That's incorrect. Incorrect. you can we we'll be doing a pilot
presentation December 9th. So, we'll be able to answer all of your questions then. I mean, there was one done back in 2016. I'm sure Mr. Bontempo remembers that >> thing that townships do. They take on these pilot programs so that they can have money for the for the township and not for the schools. >> But I don't but so so so provide provide
meard. >> That's fine. Provide me with an example then, please. >> Of which >> how the schools have lost out on a pilot program. Well, they're they're not losing out on the current program. Actually, they are. We could be getting more money directly to the schools without them fighting or lobbying you
guys for more money that they needed to get through this year. For example, >> they've pulled in almost 10 million off of that development. >> Uh I'd like to see the numbers there. >> We'll talk to I'll talk to the head of my finance committee again. We're close to 10. We're between five and 10 million on development. >> The police the police that we offer them
from the township. >> The police? No. No. No. No. No. No, I'm talking about the >> Let's do all this at the December 9th meeting, please. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Alicia. >> No problem. Any other further public comments? All right, Pat, real quick, please.
You got to be quick though, please. Patrick Tuska, 56 Line Road. I'm want to respond in favor of pilot programs. the Vonnage. Um the Bell Works pilot has delivered now over $10 million amazing
this year and I'm looking forward to the next um um season of severance film that Bell Works. Thank you very much. Thank you Pat >> for the pilot for for Vonnage. It's a senior conference and urban. >> Thank you Pat. Last chance for public comments.
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