there is every reason to have a higher bar in terms of what those amenities look like what that space looks like this is the type of scenario we want to go on with the design guidelines preferences below the park is gem within
our downtown like that's the level that we want to be seen throughout the city throughout the city so at this point we'd like to hear from council also from well let me talk to talk to to our director and you know maybe you
introduced yourself somewhere recently you've been here about 18 minutes or so maybe up for about you know relative 25 minutes now and I wish we could do a rewind and when
the words 785 units came out of your mouth spit that out um we've clearly heard no more and look I know that with land rights and
the natural progression of population you know and to a certain extent for some folks that are saying that it's not in my backyard you know we have relative newcomers now complaining about their tune well you don't get to complain because you're one of one of the newcomers
[Music] if I had my brothers we would develop old city hall site with little or no units and I kind of came here today with the thought and that was on one of your slides that council and we could
all hash out what were absolute out of the realm of discussion or and I think it's easy to to figure that out and kind of you know put our wish list in a in a box make the analogy to it's kind of like a Cub Scout or a
Girl Scout project where they just randomly throw stuff in boxes and hand it to the kid and say "Use your imagination and go make something with what we've thrown in this this box." So
I kind of you know along those lines that we would fill a box with our wish list and advertise that and see what imaginative uh concepts came back from those in the
business and I've said it publicly before and I'll say it now round numbers it's been appraised at a million dollars an acre let's just just use that as as a baseline personally I'm willing to give up price
in exchange for fewer or no units if someone wants to bring us something that they feel is financially viable that fits our vision I'm willing
to consider price adjustments you know we've got that you know million dollars an acre baseline now you know higherend you know luxury you know either market rate units whether it be purchase or or
rental that's not an absolute deal killer i kind of make the analogy that the now and again with the caveat that it's not coming out of the ground yet the estate companies came in and they were fine at 15 units per acre so when we're talking about 50 to 70 units an
acre my my mind cannot cannot grasp that when someone came in and agreed to do market rate uh units at about about 15 and an acre for the last 16 months 18 months or so
so you know I think we alluded to it earlier you know we want some entertainment component we all want a hotel I think with room for at least 800 people in a in a conference or party
venue and I think that we're willing to consider you know that's implicit we all get the rooftop you know the ghost of Guzman's here with with Yeah that that is an amenity um and it could be in a on a lower scale
on other on other buildings you know implicit in these conversations is that with some unique architecture that will stand the test of time not the trendy stuff that we're seeing in other
places so you know I come back to you know what what would we like to you know in a perfect world what would we like to see there you know what what's going to supplement let's let's say the crown jewel of that the anchor of that of this
redevelopment would be that hotel and someone would come in and do that and then we we deal with the additional height obviously a six-story hotel is is not viable at the at the level the caliber of amenities that we we want so
you know with that I'll swing open doors for my my elected colleagues to uh you know start throwing stuff in the in the box yeah I think um uh everything that you presented is what we've
heard been by expert after expert after expert so there was nothing wrong with um but it's the same calculation same formula that everyone is using and I think homestead is not they don't we
don't want to be like everywhere else so we need to find a way find a new formula to develop the attraction develop the the uh the things to do the things that we want on that wish list we need to find the
formula to get it done without the density or very low density I don't think we're here yet but we had a discussion about uh even though six stories is code for commercial we don't want to see anything over for so I think
that's going to be your cap uh not your minimum uh at least for the current the current workshops and this forward so try to think outside the box on how we can get that done and that I think is going to be the real challenge as we invite you developers to uh bring us um
a design and a concept that's going to work and I agree we we might have to be you be on price but I definitely never wanted to have a homeowners association on government property so that was out of the out of the picture for me but I
did always support having the you know a legacy project where we could have continued revenue year after year as a landlord but I'm hearing from the you know the experts that the rentals are on the downside what I would also want to avoid is that if we do sell these into
condos that they're just not there's that they actually live here and that they're not just turning it into more rentals and so you have a higher investment concentration but I would assume that they would have a higher caliber uh tenant and that they would have more
disposable income regardless if they are being sold at higher market rate um what is what is so the the four unit or rather the four story cap what is the wish list if you will so
um definitely connectivity to the downtown so that it's complimentary um the walkability um some kind of combination of a outdoor retail mall shopping experience
with outdoor dining um art galleries um a lot of nods to what we already uh have pride in undergradal or Speedway making it a hub for uh just being able to connect to the other opportunities in
and around the home status area so a lot of the stuff that we've already seen in our in our concepts have been brought to us but without the residential so is that side in your mind a contin a continuation of downtown or
is it distinct from downtown i think it's an arm an arm to the downtown so that you can where whether you start in downtown or you start at Old City Hall you can get to the other place easily whether it's through a freebie the
trolley or a walking by path but I I I need more amenities amenities um amenities supplementary not duplicative but I I don't think you can have enough restaurants so you know with
the exception of the restaurants and the retail in terms of um the overall concept and the and the the field it should flow it shouldn't be like a sore thumb sticking out middle of the heart of the city and
I would love to see connectivity through the other side of this one to Harris Field if there's any way to kind of make that look and and make that traffic pattern where you could maybe be with your family at a baseball game and then walk over and have dinner at Old City
Hall site so making that kind of easy you don't have to drive to the other side so I guess I'll go um yeah as the presentation started the first thing I thought to myself is why do we need residential there so is there is there a
purpose for that is it because the developers say they need it or is it just a a a ploy to have density right um is it a must have component yeah is it a must have and I don't know that it is or it isn't
um I'm I'm hearing rumors now that the developer who was doing the Florida City one where the old packing house was is no longer doing the mixeduse component they're only doing the residential component and and that's how it starts and so I think that our city hall
property should be a legacy property for the city um me and the mayor may not agree on how we sell the property or the financial aspect of it or or in in my perception it was a 99-year lease program where we we and I think you can
figure out this as that property develops the city doesn't get to enjoy any of the tax revenues that would would come from that because it's a CRA property right so property tax revenues it's in the
CRA So it would be beneficial assuming CRAAS aren't effectively abolished in the legislature that's very distinct possibility right but no it it could be beneficial to the CRA however it's developed whatever
whether it's a lease or a a sale but it wouldn't be uh beneficial to the general fund yeah well in the longer picture it would eventually let me let the finance talk first before we
off goes to operating none of it goes to the operating right so so if we lease the property then would come to the general fund and then the property tax revenues that were created from that would go to the
CRA so that's a win-win if we do the lease right so I just wanted to put that out for that yeah but that's a temporary that's a temporary thing i mean if you do a long-term 99-year lease um and and for
those that weren't here when we had the original negotiations with related and the other group they were offering us from the start a million dollars a year on a land lease and then compounding it over time so my thought process on that
aspect of it was that if we do a land lease we can capture that general fund revenue it helps the chief with police it helps parks and wrecks with keeping parks and wrecks up and running um and I think we also designated the the
proceeds to go to infrastructure road work that trust fun the trust fund so we'd have to figure out all those different avenues but I think in that aspect it would be um the financing that I would think would be more advantageous to the city would be to a win-win for both the RA and the general fund but as
far as amenities and stuff go with the property and I think we kind of agree on this it's a destination we want it to be a destination property right so you talk about amenities right where's the nearest miniature golf course right you mentioned Topgolf i
don't think that property is large enough to put a Top Golf on it i think Top Golf needs 10 acres so that's would be I'd love to put it there but I don't think they're going to go there maybe five acres but I don't six acres is what top is all right so that would be
uh a third of the property so maybe that's to the potentially to the west of Flanigans on off toward the power plant it could be where the armory was it'd be interesting if they would if they would invest in that top so you have Top Golf you have miniature
golf ice skating or roller skating and now the property takes on a life it has something there but in one of the drawings that you showed where the VA clinic would potentially go looked like
that northeast first road was eliminated correct correct that right away and then I know there's going to be some area some some environmental issues on that property on the other side depending on these it would be old gas station or something a long time ago
the the hotel convention the convention center is a must is is crucial I think to the area there's nowhere you can go with more than 200 people in our city nowhere so I think that's that's
crucial as well um and any other ancillary like convention center in that site do you envision it there or do you envision it more east well it was originally a part of the original related concept okay oh forever
i think I think our the very first conversation mhm so if you listen to folks in the sports industry most of their complaint is that the innings speedway which is the tracks is
way out of access to the turn pike or US1 so pushing a potential convention convention center to the east will run the risk of not being successful as already we need something quality something down here at this site is more
palatable and it has easy access to the turnpike to the US the iconic building on that intersection and it doesn't sit on the corner i mean it could put in the back wherever it goes so you know that would be kind of what my vision would be because now you
then you put the ancillary restaurants in there and then you've got a whole area i mean you could always somebody could throw an arcade in there or somebody could throw a laser tag place in there you know you can do a lot of different things that attract families there and then by day it's that and then by night you create a pub crawl type
situation for adults right they want to have live music they want to go sit outside in the in the winter time especially you know outdoor cafe type thing where it brings all these different amenities all together where it's by day uh more family oriented and
then by night it turns into more an adult attraction and it it just it begins to live and breathe so um that that to me is what I think my vision would be of that that property is that excitement um the
Flanigans there is going to be the another anchor i mean 12 to 12 to 15,000 patrons a week coming through the doors i did the numbers and I was like there's no way that happens but it's only 160 people an hour that's not bad i mean you can do that in a 12 hour 8,500 foot
restaurant i was blown away by that number just the fact that that's there everything else we do in that area that adds to the entertainment value of the Flanigans is just going to create a a a destination location so I'm all for the
ice skating trust me I would love to I used to ice skate as a kid in South Florida at the I think it was up by the Highline Front there used to be a ice skating up there you remember there was I remember it yeah it was a long time ago i broke my ankles and all that stuff
but but um and we had one down here prior to Hurricane Andrew right we had it at the uh where the uh it was a ice skating rink it was um Well they turned it into the the church now it's a church now it's a
church yeah yeah that big building back there well at one time we were for example we were contacted by Urban Air Adventure and their issue was they they they would have preferred an existing building they need really high ceilings
again that that there's all that potential now back to your point on the financial analysis we're going to have the luxury of well before this moves out into the public realm first we're going to know the future of CRAAS in Florida
and other things and we can we'll have the opportunity to take a look at that and see you know if they continue maybe a lease if they're not continuing maybe another scenario yeah you know and we have the the I call
it the mini bowling alley over there on Chrome Avenue but you can't even get a lane at Bird Road anytime you can't so even something like that you put all those components in one spot and guess
what you have on social media they're going to say you have a traffic nightmare right in my opinion you have amenities that don't have to leave the city of Homestead to to to take place and take part in so across the whole economic spectrum exactly yeah i kind of
envision more of and I hate to to say it this way because I don't want to diminish it more of upscale chain type restaurants at Old City Hall with the specialty mom and pop stuff downtown i want Irish I want to
see an Irish pupa somewhere i want to go get bangers when I don't have to drive all the way through to get some bangers and some some shepherd's pie and a black and can all the artist bring me a Greek restaurant right bring me a gyro and some lamb so
may inadvertently you answered what was going to be my obviously a strong thought on downtown and Chrome and how that becomes so am I hearing it's a clear distinction though that what we would see and anticipate our performance through the website
would be more of the larger brand larger name that you might find elsewhere but become the destination here we are good recommending and recognizing downtown as our historic main street and then to just really focus on that strong connectivity the specialty type
stuff and again kind of duplicating the opportunity for outdoor dining drinking and entertainment exactly on on Chrome but you know a whole different different economy yeah Kevin I would like for you to apply for a minute
and go based on what you see in other cities what are other complimentary um elements that we might want to consider the council might want to consider and any high level thoughts as it relates to the correlation between this sure we can
talk about that if you can go to also scenario two because I want to talk a little bit about the commercial i left that out of the feability piece um when we did the rental analysis on the models the one that feasibly rental units rental units the one we like that that
really looked the best was this one where the red is the commercial because the commercial performed very well this one had the most commercial this one was at 90,000 ft compared to about 70 uh we'd still be cautious about not over retailing it at least to at least
through a phase process or something let it get absorbed but it did perform the best so if I think about that and then I think about hotel use instead we've done a lot of research into hotel feasibility here and we see some different I think we see about four different areas that
we think it could have feasible hotel a couple of smaller boutique style uh more in downtown something more echofriendly and related we think there is a resort and a destination type component that could be up by the speedway but it's not a convention hotel it's not a conference
it is that should be in the near the greater downtown area um what they're looking for the key there is not so much the financial feasibility we can pencil that out and see that those concepts can work the key is really the market feasibility and the hotel operators seeing the potential of what they could
do so there's there's some different things that we can do there we just actually teamed with and were selected to build a convent we've been going through that process from the developer side really kind of understanding what are the different things that that we're looking
for there now that's they're building out a downtown we've got a very active downtown that's going to be proximate uh we have a Cincinnati Convention Center going under construction but the key thing that they're going to say is what do I have that my guest can walk to what can my
guest walk to that's going to be the key question that they'll tell operator so the more that so that's I think Jerry where that connection to Chrome comes in um the different things I mean the use ordinance the all of those other things that we've talked
about here for downtown and that becomes part of that answer and then just understanding the nuances of again every developer every hoteler are going to have a very different model they're going to have their own unique model so once you get to that point understanding what those individual needs are going to
be is going to kind of be key to making sure that we're able to meet to address those concerns and requirements that they don't have but but that's going to be it the number one question is what can my guests do you have other things that you always talk about the proximity to everybody's keys
as well as just what we fill in the market is the severe gap of hotel stock and I think we're kind of kidding ourselves to think that if we build stuff on US1 that people are going to walk to Chrome Avenue especially during
the summertime so I I think I mean once we get this whole thing put together there could be a simple transportation trolley that simply went from old city hall property Rome Avenue Washington Flaggler back to city hall that was a a
20-minute loop that could move people around and round and round as this whole thing develops because I really think that if you if you think people are going to walk from city hall property to Chrome Mountain I think you're you're mistaken that but I mean you're walking down the
sidewalk there's nothing attractive there walking by fire almost an industrial area yeah I mean it's nothing flag to yeah and Flagler has no sidewalks on so you'd have to build and construct those things too so what I'd
like to suggest then certainly defer to the manager to you Councilman VA I know you we you've heard of what we recommended today a few different times times in in the past and it's got the model that's why we bring it forward we want to shift gears and I think that's fine we do have
to though as we've talked about be mindful of of downtown and chrome and so to your point uh council member what I would like to then suggest as we look at this is let's go broader than than just this site if this is going to become that entertainment destination you
should be thinking in this process and what does that connectivity look like to downtown how does this relate to those broader roadway network modifications to that shuttle system to where are we also making then that correlated investment in some of our downtown businesses so
that we're you know really trying to take advantage of both investments at the same time and I think keep in mind that you have between old city hall site and avenue you have Miami day college you have a high school you have the JD
red park so you have these little opportunity areas where they will travel either by car or walk to one of these other options they might go to Farm Avenue they might go to the the old city
hall site um but the goal is to get them to stay in that area spend their money in that area and not just go home hotel guests can go to our new pickle ball courts as it relates to this and again city manager has brought this up a few times now you do own enough property in enough
areas to keep that interest for perhaps trying to go in those incremental segments which are the positive I also want to add if you guys don't mind um I I went and visited Fifth Avenue Naples I remember that trip that is kind of
what so I would love to see Pro Avenue kind of take on that that livelihood um whereas old city hall site would be kind of like a combination of
um the West Palm Beach related city place uh merged with what we're talking about here yeah I'd be curious to see the success of the 300 units that are going up across the street from Baptist as a
market rate rent luxury apartment complex because something like that might be suitable for this property as well if they can be successful there and they're bringing in four five restaurants horizontal
yeah they can be successful in doing their thing there obviously we could attract somebody to do similar there if we needed to do the residential component with that if they needed that as a Right right and a project like that helps validate the scaling of the market
right one thing I would say about the public realm is sort of the distances the distance from the old city hall site to Lawer Park is essentially the distance from the Ricks Carlton at Collins and Lincoln to the movie theater at the west end of
Lincoln it's just a matter of the the scale that you're going through and the physical conditions that you're going um and is it inviting Oh and kind of related to all this and since we're in the sunshine I'll throw this out and a stick a pin in property
rights and vested rights and setting aside the open door of live local even as it exists now for my taste yeah understanding that whatever we do live local can go if
somebody chooses to do a live local project in near the downtown they can do six stores so currently currently that's 31 well 30 yeah that's the
uh well generally because 30 is our ben 30 unit acres our benchmark is established in homestead gardens so we can file that under no good deed goes unpunished um and we'll probably need to get those
you know and I guess we've got 25 and other areas we really need to know what our live local exposure is but there are folks who are going to want to come and develop and redevelop in downtown
outside of live local and I say all that to say this i'd like us to consider and get legal and not today just throwing it out there on lowering the height for everything else to four
i you know for this community and what we've heard in the sharet and what we heard last week you know other than extraordinary circumstances like a hotel or to put the units in uh I don't think folks really
want to see a lot more than four now a nice hotel at you know 9 12 whatever that's a different story but just as a general rule and I think anything more band four ruins the
ambiance of a traditional downtown of our traditional downtown yeah that's where Kevin was talking about the boutique type you know hotel or whatever they are um would we'd be be more in that than would be in a larger scale
conference you know convention center type thing kind of like the Redland Hotel the boutique type hotel so yeah and and given what existed when live local was enacted if someone does a live local we all just have to understand that it can be
six but you know again another discussion for another day that kind of dovtales with what we've we've talked about today on general scope and scale but understanding that you know let's yeah we take Old City Hall as a blank
slate we can we can say whatever we want we can impose whatever's viable for for that councel Davis well I I mean certainly I'm I'm in concurrence with what I've heard i mean uh you guys
have so much more experience in this matter you've been talking about it you know well before well before my arrival on the council uh completely in agreement and and restating those things i would say please don't give up on the VA clinic we've been very aggressively
pursuing that thing and I get it it's a it's a parcel that is valuable piece of ground you know and it's very easy to say we'll put this thing there instead it is uh it's absolutely essential to our veteran community but it's also an
anchor for that property because they will be pulling people into that clinic once we finally have a clinic to go to and they'll be pulling people from the Keys and from Kendall into our area and um I have my full support and that was a given and I'm okay with that too is have
we contacted VA and said "Hey if we do this will you come?" Otherwise it's already been done that's our conversation it is yeah he's been I'll tell you Jimenez has been a great champion for this he that's a it's like an instant lease for somebody right we
don't build the building yeah and they're gonna they're gonna that's a that's that's a tenant that will never go away it's like it's like renting the post office in your building right they don't ever leave you know so the intention is not for the city to build anything no no I get it but but the the
the fact that a developer would What are you going to do that you can put a VA hospital in there we've already negotiated everything you build it they're coming you know and and and and that's what we're hoping to do uh the congressman has been very helpful with that that I called up Alex about a week
ago his chief of staff and they're they're still moving in that direction the BFW also is getting more uh and aggressive more active aggressive is not the word yeah they're getting it's our clinic get get on it and um and so I I
I'm still supremely hopeful that that's going to happen because there is a need and you can quantify the need and we can we can do it um so please keep it there uh I know the I know I would be tempted to say "Wow look what else we could put in that spot let's keep that VA clinic
there let the political process go." My goal you know there's lots of different ways to get funding for this hospital doesn't have to be for September but that's the goal that we're setting hopefully is that we'll know by September if where the funding is going
to come from and how it's going to be progress that might be yeah that might be a little bit you know people thinking they have it by then but that's what we'd like to see so I know that this is a I know this is a workshop would you like to hear from members
absolutely um I know that I have written an email well um I couldn't get through the night without waking up and hitting my head you know just all my thoughts uh and uh so I just
spent a couple hours just kind of without my heart um I do believe that that needs to be the driving catalyst then talking about
the conference center Anyway 20,000 5,000 definitely need something smaller scale there there's so much to know that I
need connectivity and you asked such a good question when drawing what when drawing uh what hotels what they would ask is where can
my guest walk to And when you think about the hotel itself it's like okay we obviously don't want a low scale hotel we want something like or we get a Four Seasons or R Carlton but we can
definitely get something um that is upscale um and um but the guest has got to have something that is embodying and I
know I I try to paint that picture in my letter um what is going to be unique it's going to draw people to homestead and um it's it's just it's the key it really
is and what um happens across the street on that corner has to complement this got to compliment whatever goes into the old St paul site
um I don't think we need residential uh it can happen along Chrome like you saw in Naples it happens along with those other cities that I've mentioned before and meeting in Grenellan and having the cues it's
beautiful with the brick it's so attractive it's so exciting but whatever you choose and don't get me wrong I I I love the idea of the hot golf and ice and all those but those are very
common um we need something that's that will make them drive to from the Keys from Ocean R from Thor from you know Gable what is going to drive them to
homestead of the day and and just really I mean we could you know find room for a talk we can find room hopefully for the other wonderful activities that families enjoy that we
need but this particular attraction has to be unlike anything else um and that's kind of what I painted the legacy part but whatever it may be um I just know what I would do if
as if as if as if as if as if as if as if as if as if as if I was a very godmother um but it will take you know an investment upon the city um the developers have got to um and at the same time I heard a
question what businesses will draw in the downtown area maybe with all this happening you know big law firm will come uh somebody text and they'll see it still want to
have other people live here and buy those luxury apartments not luxury but you know nicer apartments um and hang out and just live and learn so those letters you guys we're just
people that want to see it but I just I just poured out my heart and just were the attractions downtown i mean you said them all i mean we all know like you know art galleries the coffee shops the decor stores the uh little boutiques
that you know women and children can go to and too the cycle shop um the ice cream store uh the list goes on and on but we got to have I do believe and I I and I think I
mean there's probably hotels I think the architect guy Mr valet said that that they already had somebody very interested in building the hotel conference center i don't know who
that was I haven't heard um they just but they got to know what is going to do next to it so you got to have those conversations that's interesting when we start the forecast like so said the hotel want to
know what so when they started the hotels just east of the turnpike there was nothing there they built two of them and everything came with it right so you have the outback take out there now you have Starbucks there we have um whatever
else we got little strip center then oasis built that across the street the public came all that stuff is trying to evolve it and I agree that there has to be some destination but that's why we build the whole thing there will be destinations
there group well theract the attraction is going to be either if if it's a host down the conference center right they're coming there for business they're coming there for a trade No I understand
that but it's what appeal the appeal but what if you know when you know you go somewhere you you know are you going to go to see that particular like park or or
Yeah what is the iconic thing can we do a paddle boat thing i don't know no forget the lake i mean we're not blessed with the water and can just I don't know who has been to Millennial Park anybody
here never been to you've been there city manager come on you know I mean people spend all day it's like unbelievable interactive fountains um uh the obviously the beam the big crowd
24 acres 24 acres yeah But no you can get investors to partner with you i promise you if you really set that up and design it and it's one of a kind you know a
mini version they will come in there for you know concerts i'll say concerts whatever it's it is unbelievable go one weekend especially right now when it's getting warmer i tell you you'll understand the Sheridan
Resort right there on the river i agree the difference there is Carolina Ash been to the Cabrio Hotel Bar downtown Asheville okay so the Blanca family also they're from Miami
and that you probably it's done in this style it is so cool and then you can just walk to everything because international charming but
between now and in these next workshops please just take a weekend and travel and go see it i wish I could get a jet i can't afford that you got to go see it you got to walk it and you'll see why people from all over the world go there
and nobody in Miami has that nobody they're all fighting for you know the pedestrians the consumers thank you for that yeah and I I do want to expand expand real quick if you don't mind on what you're saying about the
interactive fountains uh those are some of the things that I enjoy my family when I went to visit the beach uh project um having a lot of open courtyard um heavily you know beautifully landscaped areas to enjoy around the
development is is important to me we didn't discuss it as like a wish list but that was part of the attraction is having the being able to enjoy while you're outside um another another place I visited is in um Virginia i think it's
called uh no it's called um Pentagon Pentagon City Crystal City so the brick the courtyard they didn't have an interactive um water fountain but the kids were having a fantastic time we spent hours and hours and got a little
hungry you got to have something else you got high so that outdoor uh the easiness of being able to stay outside and enjoy and and and feed off of those those stores and those restaurants is very important and there's got to be and I've read
somewhere in my room about parks there's a lot of money for parks i think there is i don't know there's something to look into for sure very
that's not what we're hearing from our grants writers yeah the government doesn't really fund parks which is one of the reasons we changed from Huntstead Sports Complex to regional park so that public and private money can go in
there park land developers i mean there's a way to have a partner and name a exercise and eventually we're going to put all these things into the box and
we'll put it out there and then we'll come up with you know developers incentives and even like everyone they offered us an acre and a half central park right at the end it was gone but that's what they offered at the beginning so
Um I got a couple little comments um he some things like it depends on what all you got to have in mind that you put in that box you got a lot of room you know you
got seven 16 acres i would I would when you're negotiating with Flagan that's about two and a half acres i was going to take it out of about 12 yeah they still need shared agreements like stuff like
that starting off that that was a that was a not they needed their own designation they claimed 12,000 customers a week they have 120 of their
own parking spaces [Music] house okay obviously no real true mixed use resist a water feature i would put it out there if you're going to put stuff in
the box on that corner right there I would I would my guys kind of ask for a really cool entrance feature there on the corner see the homestead welcome to kind of like I know that we're already in the city homestead like 15th Street but that's
really kind of like the home right there you got you know but right there you can do some really cool stuff like something cool like really something just like a featur that that that pump station or
whatever they put there can that be moved oh yeah you can always move it if you have the money with enough money if you have money you can move can move city hall if you have money that's what that nasty looking thing our our dearly departed public
works director never commented on the plans we didn't do that that was done that pump station is a long time bomb station is a sanitary square was actually
relocated to the present location listen if you have close to two to3 million dollars in your backpack no problem man i like our mega million tickets couple thoughts just one sec i want to know from the
legal side any of this conversation before we begin the wrapup stage huh yeah i mean at this point the discussion is really on the conception and so we get into I think that's what was intended really today was so if you look
at the the the agenda item was clearly for seeking direction from council we have a clearcut direction to explore commercial aspect with minimal density in terms of residential so now you have a clear
direction from what the concept today and move into some kind of destination legacy iconic project yeah and and and and list the amenities that we're talking about right so they don't come and what do you guys really want well give us the fun family stuff right
give us a pub or two or three whatever give us that night life right give us maybe a rooftop lounge on top of the convention the public space yeah or open space you know for for gatherings the water features you know whatever those things are i've never really seen them
but seen at Disney World where they spit out yeah in the other area one last comment ice skating rink bowling alleys all of that stuff just put it out there put it in your golf let me ask a quick
question you guys is it okay to reach out to the remaining elected officials and see their interest before we go so far sure i mean well like I would like like I asked last night the summary of what the discussion was and what the amenities moving forward might look like
right and um then the aversion to Did you get the schedule back up that you had laid out for us yeah I don't think that's exactly what we're going to follow i don't think so either i just want to see the concept has changed so Another idea or if anyone has been to
Atlanta Georgia City Market it's uh an old Sears factory that they converted and it has minimal flat rentals rooftops that have an alligator
that have to pay in order It has it has it has very uh on one side of restaurants where people go and have and underneath inside of the
building they have a big large opening where they have all these pocket restaurants and they're all those are pretty interesting and it's definitely a big one okay so April May it looks like would be good
the cool and then you can go out and do the rest of it i think that one more finaliz one more I think we need to go back digest what has been discussed today and come back with another workshop and and let's not forget that out in the
development world the fact that we have all but struck a deal with Flanigans is I think very positive oh yeah yeah and we want to be ahead of the deal Horton project too on North Canal right because they're going to be doing basically the
same thing that we're trying to do on corn the shops the commercial the mixuse the but they're putting in a thousand units or the sales center no no no the BJ just Oh oh yeah yeah yeah sandero
Sandero yeah sero landings i don't see a lot of dirt turning out there not yet i will have to relocate your favorite utility electrical one by the street yeah have to We're going to have to fix that well when they w the road they're
going to have to move it anyways somebody wrote huh that's line right those lines are those our lines that's the house right those are all transuc by by the treatment lines
that's big yes may be moved from road lighting anyway they have to be in the media coming yeah i will okay we'll see when when that happens so what I also don't
want if I want to tell you guys that I don't want to I don't want I don't want tall buildings right up through the sidewalk on your Yeah yeah i want it to be as back as far as possible i've talked a lot if we have to go to four to five feet
five stories four stories where anybody So Are we trying to set height huh we're trying to set height before we det because hotel doesn't 5t 5 i think the analogy you try to make is the
multi-story apartment buildings that are right up on the sidewalk up and down US1 that's not the look that we want we want a the height to be set back so it looks shorter saw that in Dubai they are like almost
50 kund set back i'm like you got to have land to do that so what I'd like to do then no go ahead i uh recapping a couple things and thoughts obviously what from CRA side I'm leaving thinking of course as we
speak more specific to our downtown Chrome now I I question often is the chicken and the egg do we not have a lot of people because we don't have a lot of restaurants and activity or do we not have a lot of activity because we don't have the people right so there's the combination so I want to make sure that
we're being mindful of that as we go forward we have to be sure that in this list of all the things that that we want that it makes sense right someone wants to do and they're willing to do it so as we we take this back and kind of rework what this program is that captures the things that you want um you know I do
like the idea of us taking a little broader look then and how is what we're doing helping also the the broader downtown those categories but also you know like to be sure that we're getting Kevin our market folks in here to see if there's other things then we can bring as options that supplement this if
there's a gap in terms of that profitability for the developer so um I think that's the direction we have sar am I yes you're absolutely correct with the also the additional comment that perhaps when we're talking to hotel operators
Kevin I understand council clearly the sky is the limit well I don't know about that but the hotel would be in I think we'd have to really consider what what they need to be successful we have leeway on an
iconic non-residential component with a rooftop lounge let them come back and tell us how high they want to be the thing about the hotel about it really was chicken and the egg the hotel's a little bit
different than that because we have to look at the conference demand of what that's going to be but you can support a hotel because number one we've already established the park stay for the hotel and you can use the proximity to the key the national parks the other things that
are already out here are enough to justify a hotel investment if everything can cancel out and so you have the you have the the ability to do that and then use the hotel other things around it just like we talked about how it's turnpike and really fill in all of that
space between the side and over towards downtown and even get the upsc Yeah traffic count yeah we can get to we can get to traffic count uh F dot actually has an updated traffic count I think on a quarterly basis when we were
discussing with them about the C and URL they just told us the don't do it the campus so and the other thing to think about also Florida City close down their campground correct to do something
similar to similar to what they're Yeah that's supposed to be their city it's on hold right said you passed away well that was who had it yeah a penino project i just want to be ahead of some of these projects i'd rather be out in front of
those instead of than competing than competing with okay so we Hey any comments additional comments whoops thank you for Thank you this is what we what we wanted yeah
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