we good all right all set all set all right um so being 7 o'clock we're going to call the meeting to order um this is the tuesday april 8th 2025 hoffington conservation commission meeting we're meeting today
in person hoington senior center 28 mayhew street so before we get started um i'm just going to go through we have a actually quite a few things that are crossed off of our agenda
um so 17 ledgestone drive and four lynen street both of those applicants have requested to continue to the april 29th 25 meeting so we're not going to be discussing them tonight if you're here for that also 47 oakhurst road notice of
intent that's first that um also requested a continuence to april 29th 2025 so we will not be talking about that tonight either um first up on our work session items we
have homes 37 oakhurst road an enforcement order that judy drafted up at our request at our last meeting um so hopefully everyone has had a chance
to take a look at it um jody judy did you want to highlight anything in the enforcement order sure through the chair um the commission at their last meeting had requested the homeowner provide us
with a list of items needed to temporarily stabilize the site um i received a abbreviated list that didn't contain sufficient detail to justify what items were needed um this afternoon he did follow up with
a little bit more detail so what you have in front of you is what i determined to be necessary to temporarily stabilize the site um so the only allowable actions before achieving the correct permitting being seating and loming the sideyard which is still
pretty torn up um maintaining erosion controls and preparing a site plan to receive permitting guidance from the commission by the next meeting um the homeowner did reply this afternoon that he would also request the commission
allow him to fortify the retaining wall with natural stone and mortar to strengthen the concrete blocks that are currently there as well as fortify the corner where the blocks were removed with boulders to try to stabilize that site
um not a ton of additional information besides those two items so if the commission would like me to modify the enforcement order to include that um or any other information can discuss or vote to issue as is
okay um so he wants to fortify what's already built stabilize it more not expand the footprint or anything like that yep that's correct um does anyone have any thoughts
or comments on that i did ask um in speaking with judy this afternoon adding the sentence failure to comply with these actions will may result in fines um to give a little more teeth and incentive
to the homeowner to um get back to us with plans um so if if no actions taken or we don't receive plans by the 22nd we can enforce some fines
uh the chair i have a question judy i wonder if maybe you can help um i haven't seen the retaining wall i know when we met two weeks ago the um owner of 37 ore said i'm going to put it in air quotes i'm not directly quoting um
that the lake water would be rising quickly so he very much wants to solidify the wall and yet when carrie reid talked to us she said "it takes a while for the lake to rise." are we worried that the water is going to hit this wall so when we were out there we
haven't been out for i want to say two weeks um we've been asking for permission each time we went out um the permission hasn't been revoked but we haven't necessarily needed to go back out there the water i would say was still 10 feet off of the wall um but we do know that
it's been rising i haven't heard from him that it has hit the wall at this time um so i think it it could easily happen before the permits are achieved i mean because that'll take you know getting the the site plan and having joe go out
and review it so i think that by the time he gets a permit it's very likely that the water will be up it it's a frustrating circumstance because it's it's work clearly in our jurisdiction that he hasn't presented plans for that he hasn't we don't have
any anything to tell us what he's doing or how he's doing it but we also don't want more stuff crumbling into the lake uh i don't know that i made up on my mind on whether we give them that permission or not i could see arguments
both ways so this is from march 21st so the wall here and the water hadn't been touching the waddle but it was just about at the waddle that's march 21st um i don't know it seems bad form to
give a permission without a plan it also seems bad form to have more crumbling into the lake so yeah maybe we can um maybe we can word it very specifically that it's just to stabilize what's in
place right now and not there can be no expansion of footprint or excavation or um anything along those lines i mean we're talking just strictly to stabilize the wall where it
is so that you know it doesn't it it's not in jeopardy of falling into the water into the lake i don't mean to have an opinion for all of us do you all have thoughts you're laughing at me no i'm not
laughing at you i like what you said i i think that walks the line between protecting the lake but also not establishing a precedent that you can just go do your own building projects and hamstring us and force us to say yes
y somehow facilitating the process yep does that make sense judy to can you draft that into a sentence yes sounds sounds good yeah and would you like that to come back to the commission before
issuing or i think i'm i'd be fine with issuing it everything else looks good to me i'm glad we have a we have dates in here um and we're letting them know that if they're not complied with you know we'll take further action through fines
um and i think that's appropriate for the next meeting for the timeline so yeah i'm i'm i'm good with it um so can i get a motion to issue for judy to issue this
enforcement order with the additional sentence as proposed uh do we need to then even though we're here um allow signatures because we're not signing that one yeah i think we do okay i'll make that motion can i get a second
second this is ed all in favor i i wow you just call our names because we used to just this is the one night i get off from calling names i take it but that felt so weird
um all right next up we have the draft minutes for review from june 25th 2024 um did everyone get to take a look at those do we have enough who are here who were present from that meeting this is
when jeff was still with us that's nice these minutes right uh i move to accept the minutes i'll second all in favor i i
all right and next up we have town of hopington hayden road charles wood school informal discussion on project changes welcome hi evening hi another evening
spent together yep in person this time so what's going on oh well i wish we were before you guys under better circumstances but it's a hell of a way to leave yeah right i would have started differently
are you talking about a town basis a national basis or a worldwide basis well we don't have all night so uh we submitted some information to the commission last friday giving a summary of uh sort of the events that have occurred in the last couple of weeks but
just to give you a brief summary uh about two and a half weeks a ago or so judy and anna reached out uh to our team to inform us that they were um informed of the discovery of a intermittent ditch on the property located just north of
147 hayden row street which is the parcel that the proposed secondary entrance to charleswood is going to be constructed on and that ditch flows in a south direction in the northern uh in the parcel to the north of us and enters
uh 12 in concrete pipe beneath our site um what you see before you here is a 2010 plan that um anna and judy were able to dig up out of the archives and share with us um so once they informed
me of that um i reached out to joe um and he kindly made time in his schedule to meet me out at the site a few days afterwards and we investigated the ditch uh to the extent that we could on the 147 hayden row street parcel um we also
traversed onto the site to the north uh up to there's a c series bordering vegetated wetland on site and we wanted to confirm if that wetland had any connection to um the intermittent ditch uh we didn't find any surficial
connection that would um make it a jurisdictional intermittent stream with bank under the wetlands protection act regulations but per the uh bylaw regulations it is jurisdictional
nonetheless uh if it's not flowing out of a bordering vegetated wetland or resource area it's still um protectable under your bylaw regulations so with that being said uh i hung some bank flags on site and joe was
with me for that um and bsc group the surveyor subsequently uh located those flags and judy do you have the um samiod's plan that i gave you oh perfect uh so the bank flags are
shown there the uh surveyor also located the 12-in uh cmp that's shown in magenta and uh they placed the 50 foot 75 ft and 100 foot buffer zones uh green blue
and tan i guess on uh the plan there so as you can see the entrance is now within buffer zone which um during the noi review process and through issuance of the ordering of conditions it was previously not identified um the survey
are also located the intermittent ditch uh on the northern property because it does make a turn so that projects a little additional buffer zone that we wouldn't have otherwise um identified so um that's sort of
the conclusion of what we found and what we placed on the plans um samiod's updated this plan sheet to note that the contractor um when selected and before they begin work should uh survey confirm the invert the top of the covert
elevations um and any information to gather on site to confirm that they can protect it during construction they'll replace the culvert um before installing the road in kind so you see there's sort of a circle just south of the entrance
there that's another um manhole so they'll replace the culvert where it's uh located on site and at the inlet in the northern portion of the site currently it's just uh not in great shape there's a metal
grate that's above the uh inlet and a tree throw and just uh some dense vegetation growing around it so they'll replace the metal grate with a catch basin um as well during construction so we just wanted to bring this to your
attention as a sort of new discovery before getting into construction um anna and judy have been really great to work with and joe i really appreciate all of your time um but we would like to request if the commission would be amendable to us continuing to work through this administratively
um perhaps getting through construction with this feature and um depicting any of the um replacement work as in the asbuilt plans when it comes to certificate of compliance there's there's also you'll see um i don't know
if it's on this i think we have the one the separate plan that we sent oh the planting plan yes there's so the project has been finalizing the uh butter mitigations and those butter mitigations were outside of the setbacks that were
required um from the original anrad that was done but with the discovery of the um the intermittent ditch um that throws those mitigations right in the middle of that
um that intermittent stream so we have you can see there's a fence on the 145 property and also a fence proposed on the 149 property and those now fall within those setback areas there's also
a small um uh driveway extension that will likely be part of town meeting next year um for 145 because of how deeply we're cutting the road into the front of their driveway in the right ofway work
and so that was it's less impervious area than the house and the shed that are currently there um after those are demo it would be a a place for them to be able to turn their car around because they lose about twothirds of the driveway in front of their house um but those now all fall within that same
setback so as part of the question before you is whether we can handle those administratively as well i believe the plan is to hold the fences um 6 in off the ground and um to interrupt the fence where it crosses the
intermittent ditch um so that it's compliant with the bylaw that work is not technically on 147 but on the neighbor's property so it wasn't necessarily um concomllated work and we've been spending much of the last two months working with the abutters to make sure
they're satisfied with the mitigations that we're introducing for their properties what type of a fence is it is it like a screening fence is that what uh it's largely screening fences i i know 149 wanted it to be vinyl part of the challenge of all this is that um 145
recently changed ownership and so it was about the same time that we did our soil sampling for the purposes of characterizing the site um in anticipation of the building project and so when we did that um they called dig safe and digs safe was able to do what
we weren't which was identify that there was a pipe buried there and about the same time i reached out to claire and said "hey there's a pipe that goes to a flowing body of water where did that come from?" so we have a few theories about why this wasn't caught the first
time around i know it was a lot drier when we did the nra um but the the hope would be that we could also handle those modifications administratively if we can't then we'll spend another evening together
um i also turn it to you joe and see if you had any thoughts or comments out there and well i think um as it was described as is clearly exactly what we saw um the stream would be jurisdictional i
agree under the uh bylaw um we can't confirm whether or not it's flowing uh out of through a uw at this point without access to the adjacent properties um but it certainly would be protected under the
bylaw um with respect to the additional uh bylaw cast onto the the property um there's no no work that i see actually within the resource area i
think it's just additional bylaw um so uh with with that i i don't know that it's uh would be required that there would be a amendment to the uh notice required uh i think it's just looking at some additional buffer zone work um that
the commission can discuss you know whether it's appropriate to handle that administratively because it's just under the bylaw and it's in only in buffer correct that's potentially i would i would i
would recommend that you know no finding on whether or not it's protected on the wpa um wireless protection act because we don't have access right now to the adjacent property um from what we saw we couldn't we couldn't find a direct
connection from the uh upgradient wetland um to that stream but um certainly all right judy did you have any additional thoughts or information yeah
um i was just wondering claire if you were planning on getting updated disturbance numbers like how much more buffer zone this is adding um or if you had been able to put that together yes i actually got that information from sam
yod's uh couple hours ago today so i have a lovely colored sheet that i can hand off to you and uh you can take a look but um ultimately under the issued order of
conditions total work within the 100 foot buffer zone was reported for temporary impacts 16,74 square ft and permanent impacts 8,397 square ft and with this additional
buffer zone total 100 foot impacts uh temporary is 23,584 and permanent is 15,147 um and i have that all broken up between 5075 and 100 foot if you want
those numbers to update your records and i believe there was also changes to the planting plan so oh yes thank you for pointing that out traverse uh was sure to update the plans so any of the proposed landscape plantings within the buffer zone are all native and no
cultivars proposed um right i'll leave it up to the board if anyone has questions on this um i don't have an i mean i don't have
any concerns i don't think about what's going on here my big biggest question in my head is how we administratively handle it um to keep things clean and organized and
um yeah i don't know consistent consistent i have a question yes um an easy one is the what you're calling a ditch is that the what's known as beaverbrook or the sort of head of beaverbrook or i think so
yeah it's sort of mixed uh depending on what maps you look at whether it's shown and labeled as beaverbrook or if there's just a little line work or so okay so it runs across uh north south right yes it
appears that at some point the neighbors or a developer at some point buried a pipe through all of the homes that are north of 145 and for some reason at 145 dec decided to keep it above ground and
then from 147 south it goes back underground there's a structure that's visible on 149 um that we saw when we were discussing mitigations with that owner yeah um and i i'll be honest it caught me by surprise when i i saw the white flag and
i walked over to see what it was and i'm like "where'd this come from?" it does daylight again just south of the brewery which is uh what address uh yeah i think it was 151
yeah okay because there's a pond behind 151 right but it doesn't daylight into that pond okay no it does not all right thanks who's the chair this is ed yes ed here
it's a habit yeah um you're on video too by the way yeah i know so i just find this incredibly troubling and that
if this were someone wanting to build houses in hopkin who came in with plans and got them sort of approved and then came along later and said "oh by the way i mean i don't see this as just a
little thing i mean i see this as a as a a big boo boo when we'll leave it at that for the moment when we bought the property or in plan both well i think um you said it i i think you know
things things pop up things happen um i'm glad we found it now versus in construction because that could be uh probably alternatively what would happen so i appreciate the fact that you know there's a chance here to plan for it and
you know come up with the change the plantings and um as opposed to an after the fact because we see those two come in after things are constructed and then we look at what was constructed and it's not what was approved
um but i do see some value in amending the notice of intent at this point in time um just because it memorializes some things here um we don't forget about it
um you know going forward and so that things are you know constructed as proposed the plants go in as they're proposed here on the revised plan and we're not
chasing this down and as built later documentation wise it's also in keeping with what we've asked other applicants to do if something like this comes up and we have this much work and they
in a protected zone so i think my gut would be to amend it to go ahead and amend it i i i don't have an issue with you know what's proposed at all or making that a difficult process at all
i'm in agreement thank you if i may ask if if we were to go with the amended order of conditions um are there any other items the commission members could provide to us now to consider if you know the project's already been
out to bids so this is a very timesensitive uh yeah matter so we would really like to do everything we can to just open and close this at the next meeting so if we could get any early feedback from the commission tonight
that would be extremely helpful unless we did everything perfectly um nobody does may i ask a question go for it so could you just help me with part of what you guys shared um some of the mitigation plantings are now and
correct me if i'm wrong i could easily be wrong some of the original plan mitigation plings are now problematic for the work that needs to be done where it's being done given what's underneath or can all the previous mitigation plannings stay exactly where they were i
believe some had to shift where you sort of see the split between um sort of the thicker black line work and yeah i think those had to split for the co you say previous do you mean the whatever we approved initially versus
where we are now so um two things changed one is we had further discussions with 149 and um they objected to the way that we had presented the fence they wanted something that would provide more screening okay um they also want when
the fence moved it changed the relationship of everything together okay so in order to provide them with screening we provided a little more screening plants and took the fence to their property line is there any chance you could walk up there and point your finger i would love to because i hurt my
shoulder um so this fence here y the final location we told the owner that we would work out once we stake the property line because we are providing a fence on their property that they're going to live with and maintain okay it
originally was a fence that was along that was like a three um like a split rail fence rail along the sidewalk and the plantings supported that with the move back there we reconsidered the plantings because now they're going to provide more screening
high over the so there's more trees more shade trees um in that area because this property was for sale at the time we did the northern property the northern property we did not hear from that owner until this is not an
exaggeration i think three and a half weeks ago okay and so at that point that was when i saw that i went out there saw the stream had access to their property um they are looking for mitigations that
deal with the fact that this is now a 1,200 student driveway and so particularly for this homeowner they'll now be getting headlights shined on the back of their house for this homeowner they're going to have they're going to lose that traffic and
their property line the property line is could be inches off the driveway that they have now so it's it's very close to that so we wanted to provide particularly in the back additional shade trees that would be like um i think they're cedars or furs i don't
remember red cedars um that would be large and encompass the um sort of block the area we also were hoping they currently have an existing fence that goes from the stream to the corner of the garage that is falling down we wanted to provide more of a screening
fence and we were hoping to extend it to the south of the stream in our discussions with them and because it was the same day that we discovered the intermittent stream um if that's not permitted by the commission we'll go back to that homeowner and say you know this is a
buffer zone we can replace in kind but we can't create new and i think they'll be amendable to that the in all honesty the biggest concern i have is that the town of hington's about to enter into $120 million contract and if i'm going to hand someone a new order of
conditions after that contract it's going to cost the town a heck of a lot of money just because of public bidding cost so we are eager to resolve this for that reason if we have to modify this to satisfy the commission and get our amended order of conditions then we'll
modify it to satisfy the commission i'll have the conversation because the conversation will be the same with the neighbors whether they were before you or the town is before you okay thank you that clears that part of it up for me thank you melissa i have another
question sure so i was looking at an aerial here the the ditch i think i see where the ditch starts and then it's underground right all the way to the point where daylights you were saying like around 151 or something like that
right so it's a it's a it's possible that it was only put in to dewater kind of the 149 150 or whatever it is going north right i mean it looks like it would have just been to dewater that i think it was
actually flowing south when i was there it's it flows south and yeah it sort of but it starts with a ditch and it's piped it seems that way it seems like it might be piped under a couple of the propert yeah 143 right i see that
it it actually leaves a pipe there and i don't think that i mean every this time of year everything is water back there but it appears to gather and go north and we've heard stories in the past from the previous marathon that this was a there was a
pipe there but it didn't show up on any any plans and so it basically snakes under i have a clo more close-up picture on my phone if that would be helpful to the commission but it basically snakes across their property it can't be more than five feet
onto 147's property and then it's basically a big pile of bushes and the water disappears yeah i mean that's kind of what it looks like in here 143 all right thanks contact statist
okay jim do you want to take a look at that that's um on the northerly boundary 145 towards 147 okay so and that's a northerly line is looking from north to south but the edge of this is the
southern edge of 145 or 147 this is the line between 145 and 147 i'm standing on 145's property oh okay you're looking at 147 you're looking at 147 there yeah okay
that's the way it shows up on on there that's a good looking fence okay i'm pretty sure that when we clear the brush on um 147 that fence is going to fall down on its own the brush is holding it up
i'm surprised the wind hasn't taken it down i i think because the brush is holding it up is this a job for the fence viewer well i'm the fence viewer you need any decisions on fences melissa i'd reiterate i think i'm
comfortable with everything but i do think administratively we need to do an amended noi and i can't see myself having any hiccup voting for it once we get it okay yeah everything i mean it looks like essentially you're you're just you're
replacing in kind the condition so from a storm water perspective there's no additional water going in that pipe it's all just i the dpw commented that they would prefer if we're putting a road over it that it's a new pipe we're putting a
road over and not whatever condition the old pipe's in yeah it's probably not rated for a road no that makes sense okay may i just ask one more thing related to the screen plantings and the fencing on the abuing properties uh those parcels
were not included in the order of conditions so with the amendment request we would not necessarily be including those features because it would pull properties into a permit that were not a part of the permit um initially m but those activities fencing if it has the 6
in uh of gap from the ground and uh plantings as long as they're native are technically an exempt minor activity under the wetlands protection act under the bylaw regulations it's also an exempt activity but i saw some text that it had to be 50 feet away from a
resource area is there um any allowance from the commission to sort of perhaps include those in the revised plans for the amended order of condition and note that those offsite features are considered a minor activity not part
of this order of conditions just want to understand how best to procedurally handle that as well i think i think that makes sense i don't think i can't think of any example
situation that we've done or not done that before um chair yes i think for something like that it would be something that judy and i would ask the commission to approve versus judy and i approving so typically if it doesn't meet exactly how the bylaw
states we usually ask the commission to administratively approve it some really with like the trail bridges stuff like that that it's it's a minor activity if the commission feels comfortable and then we can write an exemption letter with their vote
you would write that for each of those property that would go in the property file for those properties document it with this order but then have a property like a letter for each specific property that documented if it was questioned down the road why those particular ones have those fences yeah but like you said
not tie it to the order for the school and have that title issue i think that makes sense good they're good i'm good okay all right all right so the next meeting is april 30th
29th 29th okay we'll be there virtually virtual yes virtual yeah virtual all right thank you all for your time can i just ask one more question uh assuming that you all agree as you did tonight and that it
passes how soon after would the order of conditions be issued within 21 days but we can be quick if you'd like okay to the chair may i point out that we didn't all agree happy to accept that correction yeah
or since um and i'll just ask if there's anyone from the audience that had any comments on this no okay we're good all right thanks for your input appreciate it [Music]
all right um i'm going to jump up to our continued hearing which is ravenwood llc abbreviated not abbreviated notice of resource share uh do we want to read the hearing notices for the new oh do we need to oh yeah we could do them after
do them after we'll just end yes don't let me forget just don't n we want to wait for yeah um i guess in the meantime um so i have um i brought four copies of the plans judy
um and i only need three but i figured an extra set might be good just for people who are further away to look at businesses you have any idea not looking at a little monitor like this could you bring some fresh ones
next time [Music] most most of these this is just a this second and third pages of this are discussed as well just wait for mr yeah i think he's
coming in right now thank you all right so uh my name is mark arnold with goddard consulting we're here on behalf of ravenhood llc for d811841 this is an abbreviated notice of resource area delineation for parcels um
off of wood street and um near valley road um in terms of locus they're not actually abuing a road directly except 495 um in terms of the site locus itself um so reviewing where we were so they we filed a an enrad um joe was able to get
out to the site um identify some flagging changes which we um were able to meet on site and review and make those changes and get those surveyed um the major delay to these plans was getting um detailed topography which was part of um clarifying um the two large
isolated wetlands on the property which um uh could could have potentially been ilsf or isolated landscape of flooding which is a jurisdictional area under the wetlands protection act so um so just to to quickly review and i'm going to kind of start um from the the top down um
this is the uh the the uh southern portion of the site and um this line here is the parcel that connects to the whisper way subdivision area here um so the wetland line for this anoride started here on the property line comes
down through here um and then comes all the way down here um to the rear of um the parcels um off of valleywood drive um joe was able to identify an ivw that just sneaks across the property line right here and kind of comes back down
into here so that was delineated we gave the head of that wetland and it fingers off down here um as well and then we have two isolated wetlands here and here on the parcel we have a large hillside up here with no other wetlands or features there and then this is 485
right down through here so the uh the areas um that we wanted to review detail and again why the plan took a little longer was because these areas are are depressions of of of large extent which need to be evaluated for isolated land subject to flooding so we provided an
exhibit plan um with the uh with the plan set there basically just to help the commission um zoom in on the area and also understand um the area so isolated answer to flooding is an area of extent that can hold a quarter acre
foot of volume which is 10,890 cubic feet of water itself um the um the t-series wetland is is a large depressional area um it's it's it's very large um in terms of it its extent um we had detailed topo done at the lower end
of um at this at this overflow point in the valley to determine where the spillover would be to determine where exactly the the ponding would occur and once we determined that the ponding if if this valley flooded it would flood up to elevation 402 right here it's over
10,880 cubic feet of volume so this area does contain an area of of isolated subject to flooding which we've noted in the plan and the extent is elevation 402 again isolated sub flooding is based on a contour and elevation and volume it's not based on field conditions it's based
on the actual contours in the lay of the land so um so you'll be able to see that in um on this plan um you can see that there's many spot elevations but basically once you get to elevation 402 the elevation drops down again so you go down to 401 40,400 and then you have a
slope down to here so again isolated land of flooding says if you have a depressional area does it contain more than 10,89q if it does you calculate the the the extent of flooding up to where it actually can no longer flood to um in
terms of basically it's like a it's an isolated flood plane that if filled perfectly with water where does it where can it no longer rise to and at elevation 402 that's where the water would end up spilling up and coming down here if it ever did um there's no evidence that it does that um again it's
a very it's a very small watershed in terms of the water that actually collects here but it is an area that the way the state regulates um um areas that are isolated is isolated lands of flooding at elevation 402 so that area we call as elevation 402 um we we called it um to the extent of the wetland line
um and then once we had detailed topo we followed the uh the elevation down through here here and i know joe joe remember walking this line this is a very very distinct slope all the way down through here down here is where it gets very low um in the valley and where we had the we made that wetland line
correction and hooked it back to make sure we had the extent of the wetlands on the property there so um the plans show out that extent and then the back side here this is off property we just showed it just as a to show that it is kind of all connected together um and that's why we kind of use this this aerial lar too um just to kind of help
the commission understand there is isolated land instead of flooding back here but it's off property so again the the the isol flooding is is in this area here and then basically up to the wetland line which is basically a conservative line along here the other area which is the s series wetland um is
another larger depressional area as well you can see it's it's similar in size to this wetland here however um the topography um is is is a lot more confined within the center of of the wetland itself and so we um we showed here elevation
385.15 um and you notice that the elevation starts here it comes in around in through the wetland and then comes back out so basically the water can't flood above this elevation in terms of flooding so when you run the calculations calculating each of these depressional areas um and then also the
area up to elevation 38515 you end up with um 8,000 two 8329 um and.7 cubic feet of volume which is about 2,000
um cubic feet under um what's required to qualify as isolated answer to flooding so um this area would is still isolated vegetated wetlands up to the delineation um as reviewed by lucas um but the area is not
isolated land to flooding based on on the volume in the area um we did run the calculations because we looked at it we said it's close enough to run it and it's it's 2,000 cubic feet short of actually containing enough volume to actually um um become ilsf under the
protection act so we know this information was just provided to you um and and lucas may need time to review it but we wanted to make sure that we were able to present this information because this is a unique situation you probably don't see a lot of ilsf calculations all the time particularly when um there's a question of is it or not um so we wanted
to make sure we presented that to you and if there were any questions we could clarify that now or get you more information before the next hearing so that way um at the next hopefully we could get um this approved okay it's a lot of number crunching yeah that part of part of it was getting
the top too right and then having the the servers add additional topo layers like this contour so we could actually crunch the numbers itself so um yeah but it's it's it's a it's a it's a it's it's a geometric basically volume calculation um fairly fairly basic for those that um
that have at least an engineering background i have a bachelor civil engineering so it helps running the calculations to have some background in in the geometry and breeding the plants okay makes sense um joe i assume you need some time to to
look at this but i don't know if you have any through the chair i guess uh one question that comes to mind um the one basin is obviously too small to hold the required volume um the other
basin is large enough did um were calculations done on the uh regulatory um rainfall event to determine if there's a sufficient enough drainage basin um so we didn't run the
calculations because the volume doesn't that we the volume well the but this this area here by defunct we were like it's so big there's no way it wouldn't qualify basically um and then this area here even regardless of the watershed
it's still discharged so so that one is that too small this one this one here was this one here is i mean we're being we're being conservative at calling it elevation 402 um because if you look at the elevations in this area here you have elevations just below 402 right in
here which again as you you may remember joe this area is is a is a very very pittent mound the shrubs are on on on rises there's depressions in the middle and you might find elevations that are 401.5 that snake out so we said you know what it's def it's definitely big enough
we know it it's going to hold enough water we could spend lots of money crunching data to just prove the fact that it is still ilsf or we can just say you know we know it's going to be ilsf we'll call it ilsf to be conservative the commission won't object to us calling an area jurisdictional if we
think it is potentially jurisdictional um and then we call it out based on the elevations of the spillout point which would be 402 yeah my question is i mean it's it's big enough by your calculations um it's just whether or not it it holds that volume of water yeah so i guess in terms of that we haven't run
the calculations to determine that but we do know by area and by by by by field observations this area definitely would fill okay for that um so if we if i ran the same calculations here as here we definitely go over 10,890 uh cubic feet of volume so um and
because because it's it's a very it's a very large area and we know it's it's it's this is the high point we know it gets deeper down here so the elevation from here to here maybe i think maybe up to two to three feet versus here it's very shallow we have i think i think it's about 18 inches is some of the
deepest spots that you have the depth you meet the depth requirement also yeah the depth the depth requirements were definitely here it in terms of the average six inches of of depth but it was the volume also they were looking at and so that was that was the issue there but yeah good question okay yeah i i don't have any other
questions at this point yeah okay i don't have any questions does anyone else on the board have any questions about this i don't exercise no i don't okay
all right i think we're just going to um give joe some time absolutely and if the commission does have a a question that does come up feel free to send that to judy and she can get that to us so that way we can make sure that we get you um anything else but um i hope um you'll find everything in order okay does
anyone in the audience have any questions on this okay so we'd request a continuence to april 29th please okay can i get a motion to that effect happy to make that motion second second all in favor hi
all right thank you so much thank you thank you all right next up we have hopington trails club for exemption request of vegetation clearing good evening
good chair um my name is chuck doy i'm member of the trails club also a director uh on the hopkin area land trust um the proposal we have uh belongs
to what uh i guess is called the the cola property that the town recently acquired uh abuing the hughes farm conservation area to the north um running through this uh property uh
actually originating on originated at hayden row but uh now running from what was the old railroad right of way that parallels hayden row west u is what is being termed a
quote cow run um the uh it's a an old uh path uh lined by stone walls for much of the way that uh theoretically was used to
uh run cattle out to pasture and avoid the uh the crop fields along it um the uh area has been is densely uh overgrown
with u mostly invasives um bittersweet um mold rose uh barberry um and u we've
done a little rough clearing just so you could even get in there to see what was there um i did uh visit the site uh with judy and and an recently um the we have begun this is a cooperative effort with
the trails club uh the trails committee uh halt the hopton area land trust u and um i trust open space although i'm not sure ed if if that if the commission is officially on board
i i can't attest that the commission is officially on board i can attest to everything that chuck has said so far about the state of the trail because i spent about three hours there saturday morning and came home needing a band-aid because one of those fine barberries
managed to get me through my pants and my dear wife then had to soak my pants and i don't know what to get the blood stain out of it you can't soak your own pants that's what i was thinking i i would i would have you know left it there you know is a bad juke of honor but
but our hope uh as indic was indicated on the uh the map that was up there um is that this will be part of a um a trail that will eventually um use it right away although there's a um an
informal trail that u neighbors have already created um uh on the west side of the uh charles river wetland um the uh that connects
out to the cowron and then crosses on out to teresa road but uh we do then hope from the uh west end of the red line that you see there to then loop back and connect to the hughes farm
trail uh it'll make a very nice walking loop um but first we need to get things cleared uh we've been working on some of the upland areas clearing them and what we would like uh is a determination of
uh exemption from the commission uh to proceed with clearing of the wetland crossings these wetland crossings are old fill um basically mostly large
stones smaller stones and then earth fill over them um there is a sort of a stone culvert u the outlet end is uh at the near side of the boulder that you see uh you can see
there's concentrated flow coming through there u this is on the uh the crossing uh the uh earth and stonefill crossing at the western section the longer crossing it's well over 100 ft long um
but uh it effectively is an old uh old roaded uh that we want to clear out enough that it can become a hiking trail so this will be so four feet wide is that is that kind of what you're thinking we're starting
trying to get you know uh at least a you know five uh to six foot cleared swath um the uh the fill area here is probably
eight plus or minus it's not exactly uh uniform but that's um but it will uh you know we'll be able to once we can clear uh at least a uh a foot path where we won't have uh
the multifloor roses reaching out and grabbing somebody um the i think you know that'll be what we're looking for you sound like you're denigrating the work that i did out there i mean i came back and pronounced it was walkable from
end to end just don't do it in bare feet right the yes our our project on uh uh saturday was uh ed was uh working on this end of it
uh we were on in more in the middle uh stays the same to uh now that once you cut down the uh the the thorns um then you still got to deal with the roots so
we've been uprooting the uh what the remnants so that there won't be toe catchers and and won't resp sprout so quick yeah yep no that that makes sense this is
just vegetation clearing of brush and invasives no trees um there are a few logs that have fallen in and a couple of small trees that within
actually within the way but most of it is stuff that's fallen in and uh so we'll be taking those cutting those logs out off the trail yeah okay done by hand we're not no heavy machinery is going back there and
uh you know chainsaw right right right right right right and power shears but then ed do you have anything to add from your uh you want to see my scar no no no just
about the trail just about the trailer boyfriend relates to the question you and lp i forgot all about that no i mean it was a nice turnout from the trails group a lot got done um i was
sort of like the the lead and and taking out all the stuff that was hanging out to tear people's eyeballs out and stuff like that and these guys are coming along pulling up the stumps um and i think it's going to be lovely when it's done all right great now this
is a great property i like walking around here so looks like a good project we saw egg masses old tires you don't have to ran the gamut the old tires are going to take a boat hook to pull out okay or a wade one of
the town doesn't buy any property unless it has old tires on it all right then um can i can i get a or does anyone else have any thoughts from the audience questions concerns good all right can i get a
motion to approve this is an exemption request move them second second all in favor i i all right thank you for no problem thank you john
and since it is walkable now you're invited to come out and take a look take a look as long as those thorns are gone my wife isn't going to take the blood out of my pants you're going to wear your leather chap going to wear your leather chap my snake
safe boots you know speaking about boots i've been thinking it's time to cowboy up i'm going to start wearing my cowboy boots and gain back my inches that i lost it's about time all right next up we have 22 krueger road informal discussion on project changes did you get anything in on this
judy we did from australia how are you hello hi [Music] so we had talked last week through the little bm yeah yeah um about removal of the burm but i really didn't have a
solid plan in place to new plantings natives things like that so that's kind of what i put together for you guys for tonight and got emailed over to you guys so you should be got a small plan here
one is a breakdown of the details and the other is the site plan where i just kind of pinpointed where we were approximately going to be planning things mhm i can run through it quickly yeah sure if you want to so there were seven trees
in the burm one 12in oak three 8 in oak two 6in oak and one 5 in oak um we're proposing removal of the burm and installation of a stone wall that runs the property line up the front um and in
we're going to be re reusing the fill on site and then our planning plan for the yard after removal is uh we're proposing five high bush blueberry shrubs three river birch two hammelus shrubs one northern red oak tree and one swamp
aelia shrub oh did you have a chance to take a look at this on the planting choices yep yep so i did provide some feedback on another iteration of the plan to get some non-natives and cultivars taken out um
so everything being presented has been on our approved list of native plants um the only thing i recommended was some of the plant species might do better in wet inundated conditions so um i don't know what the the soils in the the site looks
like um it's it's hard to say it's like grally but you know it's i don't know it's moist you know it's not dry soil but it's hard to say this time of year you know either you know yeah i mean
everything that's being presented is native and if things need to be shifted out based on how moist the soils are that's something that anna and i can approve okay okay all right i like the idea of a stone wall and
there'll be nice i think this makes sense does anyone have any questions or comments on the um proposal here i think we have so three four so we have
seven being removed and then we have five 12 being replaced it's not quite two to one not quite two through the chair um two of the tree removals we believe were included in the original order um okay
yeah i have um there's six red oaks going back in for per the order of conditions um one iselia one rodendum and two dog woods okay so it does make
the okay yep seven oak trees what species i was going with northern red oak i mean the ones that are being taken out they uh that was i don't recall offh hand they were on the original or you mean from the from the burm here
i believe they're white i'm not sure it's a big difference between white oak and red oak white and if they're white oak i would suggest that planting a white oak would be more useful than a red oak they're red oak all right fair enough anything else
okay um i can't remember if we're voting on this as a so last meeting the commission voted to approve the geothermal wells and the replacement of the retaining walls as minor project changes right okay so you
have the option to approve these as minor project changes or you always have the option to request amended right okay um i guess i will ask then for a motion to
approve the burm removal and tree removal with replacement including the oak tree proposed oak tree to match what was taken out i can update this and email it over either when i get back tomorrow as a
um modification you're looking for a motion i'm looking for a motion yeah um and signatures wait can i ask a question yes so this is the property we saw a few years ago with the boardwalk that goes out yes to the yeah
state park and we were and that's pretty much on not within the property line i think was off even on the property right yeah yeah all right go ahead sorry um i'll make that motion so this motion is including
the what is noted as a red oak being a white oak yes with that change is my understanding yes i'll second did you make the motion i think i did i feel like i did second all right all in favor hi hi
okay you're all set thank you very much yep thank you thank you have a good night everyone you too all right next up we have um dcr hopington state park violation discussion for tree clearing
come on up hello hi hi nicole callaher i'm the forest health director with dcr okay dr tribiano i'm the complex coordinator for the hawkins complex dcr welcome
um all right judy do you want to give a little summary of what's going on sure through the chair um so back when dcr had requested uh several stretches of guard rail in hopkin state park um be
replaced as a exemption from the commission anna and i had gone out to the park just to take a look at the guardrails um make sure everything looked okay and we saw at the time several trees throughout the park marked with red stripes um this was back in
late march so we asked the applicants if they could explain why the trees were marked we hadn't heard anything about removals um heard back last week that the trees were slated for removal due to public safety concerns um and as we know
that at least in the stretch of road right past the kind of guard station at the front um we know there's wetlands there i had just said removals here are subject to the wetlands protection act um and require commission approval to
proceed with removals um and the following day the trees were removed um without that approval being sought um we did receive a plan showing the general locations in approximate number of trees being removed from the
park but didn't receive any documentation proving that they were public safety concerns um or hazardous trees as we would expect when we're issuing exemptions for hazardous tree removals which is a fairly common request um so we went out there earlier
this week and counted roughly 26 trees removed from the area that we know is buffer zone um as well as a significant amount of wood chips spread within the buffer zone as well um
uh there may be more trees in the park subject to additional jurisdiction this is just the area that we know to be wetlands based on you know conversations that we've had with dcr in the past so i think commissioned to sort of discuss next steps and happy to answer
any questions okay thanks judy um may i quickly ask for a photo clarification judy the the photo in the upper right and the lower left are those the same wood chip spreadings just two different photos or are those two different locations yes that is the same
location but a different angle so okay if you're looking at the guard rails from the road um covert in the middle that drains out to wetlands down slope um and there were wood chips on either side but none in
the channel itself okay um i guess i'll open it up to you all on um what your intentions were or what what you had going on here i mean this was a
hazard tree removal project along roadways throughout the park um so it was trees that i will say also equipment never left the road trees were only reached out grabbed without any disturbance to soil adjacent vegetation like if you look at some of the pictures
like there'll be a sapling a foot in front of these trees that were moved that isn't damaged um so this is pretty standard project fairly small scale was done by a contractor um through our competitive bid process just due to the
nature and scale and since it was specialized equipment used not done inhouse by our teams um typically dcr does not pursue conservation approval for hazard tree projects um it's a kind of a precedent and interpretation that
this is regular maintenance and consider considered minor actions outlined in the wetland protection act um we also there's precedent that town level bylaws relative to tree removals and chapter 87 and that is not
applicable to state agencies so it's usually why we don't go through town level approvals before completing projects like this okay um i think based on my experience i i'd agree the um usually it's this it's
what's jurisdictional under the state is what we're upholding when it comes to dcr um projects um i know in the past we've had like over at whiteall dcr come when they've had to take trees down um to the
commission even if they were you know dead or or diseased so i guess caught us off guard um as far as something that would automatically be assumed to be okay um or something that
we wouldn't need to look at um especially when you know our staff had mentioned it from being on site um what is your how you determine a uh
safety hazard tree there's a wide variety of metrics um so sometimes it's things like some of the trees were already dead some had uh defects splitting cankers significant dead branching um a lot of the trees in this project were smaller birch that are
growing at an angle that is kind of unsustainable and during the winter months were reaching a point um where they would hit vehicles that are going in um they were low enough and pruning for those was not an option because pruning back to a safe level would then
make the tree itself a further hazard and likely to fail um so that was most the scope in this project um so mostly smaller sized birch a handful of very large decayed and dying white pine um
and handful of oaks that had significant limb dieback or defects to them um the thing that i think is just important to our commission we do you know typically if we have any other applicant in town or any other property
owner in town who's going to take down trees for safety issues or because they're dead or diseased then they provide you know that type of documentation so we don't have people just deciding on their own that this
tree is a safety issue and um you know obviously you know in looking at it and i have walked the park um since then it is selective you know there's not i agree it's not like you're clearing areas of
trees in any way it is um you know specific trees that you are taking out but um we do want to be conscious that we're treating all of our property owners and applicants you
know i'm curious what your process for like dot is within the town bounds so dot i think we and for the town we have a open order or an open agreement with our
dpw to maintain trees correct yeah we work with dpw we visit every hazardous tree that they request um and i would just point out that state agencies are subject to state laws um so even though the bylaw might not apply um we're
talking specifically about the buffer zone protected by the wetlands protection act and that is what the commission is here to enforce yeah so to make it easier for groups like the yeah like this like the town or like dot i don't know if that we've had have we had dot in here dot project okay
interchange massike interchange massike interchange yep well absolutely for their construction project but just as far as tree maintenance goes um you know we'll have agreements with them where we you know say this is the
expectation and then like judy said before they go out and you know have a contractor go out and do work you know they'll go and walk and look at the look at the trees you know when they're marked or whatever and agree or give any feedback on what they might see from our
perspective because you know you're worried about safety entries were worried about you know protecting resource areas so it's kind of two different um glasses that we're looking through um you know things like putting wood chips
in resource areas we don't necessarily want to um cause trouble with putting a bunch of wood chips either um in resource areas and then you know covering over habitat
um and doing damage that way either so um it's i think it's a it's a it's a partnership ultimately the goal is the same obviously you care about the park and are doing the best um you can for that park resource but we just want to
make sure we're on the same page and doing our job to hold up the statement protection act um as well um so i think
you know our our typically if it's not a dead or diseased tree um and someone comes in and wants to take it down we require replacement or replanting of a shrub or a tree if
there's an issue because it's dead or disease things like that um you know from an arborist um determination then that's a that's a different story so those are the things that we look for when groups are coming in to take down
trees on their properties um i have a question yep so so this is an annual or or just a sort of periodic thing that you do as needed we do at least a minimum once a
year arburous assessment of our parks um but projects like this are only on an as needed basis all right so what would what would we expect them do do we expect them to submit something every time they're going to do cutting like
this and what would that be an exemption request i think if it's a so what we follow with our dpw um i think they just work primarily with you right judy for small projects so
we'll go out if there's two or three in the right of way um for something like this when i got this plan showing it was in the hundreds i would think that would be appropriate to come to the commission with a exemp yeah followup in whiteall
what have we seen something from whiteall where they've cut things i mean have they come before we've worked with dcr in whiteall to remove hazardous trees but nothing has ever been like this right most of the trees i see at
whiteall have fallen on their own right across the trails yeah i don't think we've ever had anything this scale at whiteall it's just been a few trees i think you said recently the whiteall was three trees that dcr came to talk about is that right
those were i will say those were under a different group in different circumstances and not part of our regular maintenance projects but were they part of a public road zone where vehicles and people are
walking regularly yeah you get a lot of traffic through state park for sure in the future we want a heads up when there's yeah i think in the future if you have an effort like this going on
then um a heads up kind of like the guard rails um through the chair one of the things that i hate as being the grand poohar of open space is when someone calls me open space is parcels in in hopkins and
separate from you guys and people come call me up and say hey what's going on i go i don't have a clue and so this is the same sort of thing so someone going through the park and they see this stuff happening and who do they call call conservation or they call town
hall and say "hey what the heck is going on?" and you you know people are left feeling kind of like not you know not knowing the answer so it's like just you know let people know what you're doing is there a a plan for more tree cutting
with the guard rail work or are you guys done with tree cutting it was i mean these were two totally unrelated projects oh they are not related at all i kind of assumed it was since you were doing one we we saw these trees nope completely unrelated projects they just happened to be yeah okay we we were just
pushing through to get done before okay i misunderstood that part um yeah i mean i i do want to say in the wetland protection act it does talk about roadway tree removals and and being kind of exempt from permitting processes uh which is why we typically
move forward with this type of work we have over 450,000 acres across the state um my team has three arborists that does all of that work so we i don't want you to feel like i'm not telling you because i
don't want to tell you i am not telling you because i'm trying to maintain safety across a huge amount of area for the public of our entire commonwealth um through the chair my only other comment would be um with with really
large trees if you could just pard them and leave the basic trunk there so it becomes a resource for critters to come come along and eat it and then in turn be eaten yeah but then hardwoods become a problem we do when we can but with these roadside trees even a significant
like usually you want to leave a stump like that at least over 8 to 10 feet um and a lot of times is still a striking hazard at that point which is why we don't it also kind of grows unruly too and right
unless they're i guess and and hopefully i'm correct in this so i haven't looked at the wetlands protection act to see if and i'm not a lawyer to see if i would agree with your interpretation or not but i would think certainly getting our
input whether you need our input to clear a tree or not is different from us protecting what the state says we're supposed to protect so with the dumping of wood chips and with the way the stumps are left or not left i would think that the state expects us to have
input on that as part of protection for the resource area um i don't know if we should or should not because i haven't read the act with this in mind whether we should or should not have input on the trees but it seems to me it's our job to protect what's around the trees
as well and so i think a discussion makes sense for that purpose i do also want to bring up in the future if there are tree issues outside of wetlands and buffers that those do not fall under this group so i mean there
may be times where we are moving removing that but are not under this purview correct yeah our our jurisdiction is the wetland and the 100 ft side of the wetland
so but clearly you know clearly there are plenty of trees that you know are were in i mean the wood chip thing is to me i'm no wetland scientist and i know i'm changing the nature of the earth if
i dump a bunch of wood chips on top of the wetlands um and part of me would like for you to clean him up but i fear that would do more damage to the stuff that's underneath it um so i don't know in my mind the tree cutting is a question but it's
also how it was done how it was left after the tree cutting that's a question and i'd really appreciate for the resource areas that the commonwealth asks us to watch out for that we have discussions about it
so what's the question so the question i think for us at this point in time is um we i think it is it is in with well without reading the the act whether or
not we do anything further in this violation discussion or issue any official violations if we feel that's necessary or that or if we you know have this
discussion and come to an understanding and feel comfortable that we can have a relationship going forward that you know we can avoid the situation in the future so i'll give you my opinion which is
that um i don't think at this point anything else should be done but it would be good to get a heads up in the future um and have us allow allow us to take a look at it and see if there's any impact and i don't know if these wood
chips are piles or dump loads or just what was cut when the stump when the tree was cut but i would say at this point there's not really much that i would want to do i don't think replacement is good
yeah replacement in a forested area is kind of you know it's all forest so um the the the small saplings will obviously grow especially with the bigger ones cut down
but um as an aside you guys seem to do an amazing job of getting rid of the understory there as compared to say whiteall right which is a good thing in my opinion because most this isn't the white hall team no i understand no i mean the story is not
yeah i know i know [Laughter] no i think that the just from observation the wood chips were the trees that were taken down yeah it's the chips from the s spread in that area from the soft cutting they didn't have a chipper there uh it looked like a
chipper yeah they're spread um under the 3 inch okay minimum yeah i was going to say it looked like a few inches of wood chips in that area well it's organic it does some
denitrification that's important good for bacteria they like it with chips um any other thoughts on this board um i'm comfortable
saying we've had a chat and hopefully the next time we have a chat before trees are cut and calling it a time so i guess in that way i'm with jim you need some kind of motion to do we need a
discussion we don't need any vote or motion or anything it's just a discussion discussion it's just a discussion we have a lot of tree cutting issues in hawkington um 70 something trees on private property after they were told to stop in
developers i was going to ask in a wetland uh buffer zone arguably yeah in a buffer close very close so and the buffer zone is 100 ft not 150 in this town correct but we regulate the
the the wpa 100 foot buffer zone with our bylaw it's a resource area from our bylaw standpoint 200 foot riverfront the clearing that they're talking about is within 200 feet of white hall so we have certain regulations for 25 ft
out from the resource 50 and 100 which is not wta and i've never called to say there's a hazardous tree hanging over the trail that goes down from our house you watch out for it every time you go under it don't you yeah but i don't hang
around under it and you don't go there in windstorms either okay can you imagine what your wife would have to clean up with that happen that was good thank you all right thank you for coming in and talking to us
appreciate it appreciate it go bombers good to see you you too thanks thank you oh you remember the piece of property i came looking in your in your drawers for boundaries and things still don't have that squared away can't
find it i can't find it never find it have a good night all right next up we have the municipal vulnerab vulnerability preparedness action grant letter of support so before this meeting
the town submitted an application you sure and asked for a letter of support from the commission and since we weren't meeting i went ahead and worked with judy um to draft the letter or judy drafted the letter really well mostly the project team i tweaked it the project
team did judy tweaked it i gave my two cents um uh just to show support for the project but my understanding is that um you know the application is to look at two locations in town one would be
the um the windsor uh property and then the other one in legacy place and to work with um the people that live there for an education and outreach um component and then to come up with some sort of green
infrastructure rain garden bmp uh something like that in the area big uh education effort seemed to be a big big part of it and um they would have a group and judy would be part of that
group to reach out to um community members and uh work on on the grant so um yeah just i guess an fyi that we thank you sent that in
um i think that's the only other thing i just wanted to give as a heads up to the group is um i have been working with judy and anna and the vice chairs kind of to go through the ticketing process we did sit
with town council um we figured outside of a public meeting is the best to vet those thoughts on ticketing approach um so we've been looking at that kind of trying to come up with some guidelines and if anybody has questions you can
reach out to judy on that um or me but uh we are forging ahead with the ticketing process and how that gets implemented um based on you know what's been coming
in front of us lately to carry that out so um one of these days soon i'm sure we'll write our first ticket is it have like number one is the book is it number one it's a fresh pack fresh pack yes so
we'll see who gets number one bound to happen i don't think i have any property that's jurisdictional i might do something just to get the number one ticket frame it frame it on the wall i'll give you some
i was going to say you got to go to jim's house spread some witches give you some you can have some jurisdiction property you got to get some at my house too you can donate something to you no this my house is not in jurisdiction
what are you talking about my yard's about the size of this table so it's about the size of what's not jurisdiction um all right do we have anything else on just need to open oh thank you
two ones please however i will open the new hearings now i lost them there we go they went to the bottom all right um the hopington conservation commission will hold a public hearing on tuesday april 8th 2025
at 7 pm at the hopington senior center 28 mayhew street to hear all persons interested in a request for determination of applicability filed by bayon lane incorporated for the raising of a single family house and associated site work location for lynden street
assessor's map u 13 block 23 lot zero um can i get a motion to continue this out to the 29th so moved second all in favor i
and the hopping conservation commission will hold a public hearing on tuesday april 8th 2025 at 7 p.m at the hopping senior center 28 mayu street to hear all persons interested in a notice of intent filed by michael and kathleen culler to construct an addition with associated
site work location 17 ledgestone drive assessor's map r26 block 157 lot zero can i get a motion to continue this to the april 29th so move second all in favor i
all right and with that um can i get a motion to adjourn the meeting so moved rod second all in favor hi hi let's do this again really
[Music] all right we should plan ahead maybe time to clean up i haven't done this before