##VIDEO ID:D3j6yrxxWq0## all right then I'm going to call the meeting to order and say good evening and welcome to the Hopkinton school committee uh joint meeting and regular meeting of the school committee for Thursday January 9th 2025 uh I'm going to invite if um you would like to call the select board to order in the Appropriations to order as well on the screen oh he's on the screen yeah so we'll go ahead and call the select board me to order for Thursday January 9th we already did it you already did it okay so I would invite those here in the studio to please rise and Pledge of Allegiance I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right and just before we begin just want to remind everybody not only are we being um televised live but this is meeting is being recorded um so people should be able to watch at home if they're not able to join us tonight so are there is there anybody here for public comment um do we want to bring another chair up oh there is another one okay all right then if there's no public comment are there recognitions from the school committee that people would like to make or from the administration okay then let's go right into uh The Joint meeting so thank you all for coming back appreciate coming out I know this is the second night for you guys so where's the Nancy we do have someone from the public with oh I'm sorry do you want to come up so we can catch you on the mic dressed foras okay which uh there you'll just bring you can bring chair up there wek thank a com sorry I welcome can you just introduce yourself and yes hi um let me sit down that may not be on T yes hi I'm Don souland and I'm at 205 Winter Street hopkington I'm the uh chair of the environmental um working group at the hopkington sustainable green Committee just to bring a topic up for the group it it isn't on your agenda or in your circle but has to deal with an environmental issue for the schools and for the town uh the DPW is applying for a uh application to apply pesticides onto the town grounds that they determine as right away and uh we've reviewed and interviewed uh DPW and reviewed their plan it's a vegetable uh vegetation management plan uh that will allow them uh to uh administer uh herbicides on on their RightWay area uh we've reviewed it by the committee we just want to let this committee know um that we don't think it's u in keeping with the existing laws that's protecting Children and Families um and that law is 333 CM R14 uh the U protection of Children and Families from harmful pesticides it was passed in 2000 it's administered on school grounds um that personality of use is sensitive to the most vulnerable population which is children and the DPW application is not in that personality so it is not in keeping with the safeguarding of Children and Families as it's been administered in the town so we just wanted to make that statement that the that our working group is in opposition to this application thank you thank you thank you I just want to make sure that I don't think there's anybody else for public comment thank you Don um Carol do you want to go ahead and start presentation then we can have discussion and updates as as appable surely so thank you um once again we'll present our fiscal year 26 budget for the hopkington public schools um as we always do we have approached budgeting this year stressing financial responsibility and responding to shifts in any demographics and student needs we always start with the goal to maintain our exceptional educational and extracurricular programs we we offer curriculum and instruction that meet the needs of all Learners including their academic behavioral mental health special education and social emotional needs we are striving to accommodate enrollment growth and programmatic growth and we always support the school Improvement plans um so I do want to just quickly show you what the enrollment uh looks like right now and how it's tracking um our current enrollment as you can see right here is 4,251 and that's our pre- 12 students Dr Wagman had predicted that we would be at 4,290 and so we are running about 39 students behind uh one of the things that you can see right here is that uh last year at the end of the school year we had 109 students in prek it is not unlikely that number will climb again to the same figure simply because when students turn three and they qualify for services uh we invite them into our integrated preschool um so that's an area where our our numbers will grow um since the last time you saw this presentation I think what we are probably um just maybe three students ahead of where we were when we talked about this in December um so when we take a look at Dr Arthur Wagman's projections in November of 2020 he had done this uh projection for us and you can see that in 2526 um he was looking at 4,3 55 students in the hopkington public schools so ultimately that's what this budget is based on we did have him come back in October 2023 and his more recent predictions were 4,416 in 2526 but if you go back and take a look at this slide it seems to us that the November 2020 projections are the ones that seem to be tracking and so those are the numbers we're using um so you're going to see Staffing requests tonight at Marathon and Elwood they are requesting a shared 1.0 FTE intensive special needs teacher at Elwood an assistant principal at Hopkins a reading tutor at the middle school point4 FTE Orchestra at the high school a French teacher and also at the high school a point six computer science teacher at Elmwood and the middle school there are three FTE paraprofessionals and I believe that they are already in place right now so we've got them working now but we'll wrap them into the FY 26 budget in technology we are looking for one additional technician and building and grounds is looking for a 05 custodian I believe we have someone working at 0.5 now and this would make them whole so let's talk about the needs for each one of those positions when we are talking about the Intensive special needs teacher all the decision making that we do is based in data so if we take a look at our K to 5 intensive CL uh case loads those are running right now between six students and 12 students and so I can tell you where this bubble is at Elmwood we have one teacher who has 12 intensive students in a in a single classroom this is a very high number for hopkington if you look at our other intensive numbers in grades 6 to 8 so at the middle school they're running between 7 and 10 at the High School those numbers are going to look very low to you because we've had a few students move out of the district so those numbers are at four and five uh so uh we really do need to put somebody into marathon and Elmwood 0.5 and 0.5 to just take those case load numbers down a little bit that um that classroom is it's very busy classroom oops sorry uh I also want to just quickly show you uh what our numbers have looked like in terms of their tracking and I apologize that the most recent number you get here is uh 2023 this desie data data radar should be updated in January I did look at one of their website Pages tonight and it was down for service so I'm wondering if that's what's happening but if you take a look at hopkington in particular we look at how many Educators we had for every 100 students with disabilities and in 2019 we had 10 special Educators for every 100 students then it dropped to 8.4 popped back up a little bit to 9.3 went back down to 8.8 and while I could feel comfortable with these numbers when it got to 7.3 it got to be a time at which we needed to add FTE um and then finally you can sort of see how we compare to other communities we're at that 7.3 currently but when you look at what I think is a good number you can see that Wayland is at 10 West Bros is at 10 actum box Bros at 8.2 uh Lexington is at 12.0 I feel like those are are closer to the kinds of places we should be so that our kids are getting the very best services that we can deliver uh so let's talk a little bit about the assistant principal at the Elwood school we really need to take a look at our administrative leadership and our instructional leadership and I know that you've seen those positions kind of creep into our budgets little by little if you look at just straight admin we are are somewhat competitive in here I would say so we have um $625 per student is what we're we're paying this is a per pupil um expenditure diagram and so you can see that someone like Westwood is at 658 Welsley is at 603 and so we could say that we're competitive West and Wayland are very very high uh but but we're we're in the running but then when you look at instructional leadership this is a place where we're not and we've re relied on our building principles and assistant principles to be instructional leaders so they are the people who are not only evaluating teachers but they're running professional learning they're ensuring that when we say we have a guaranteed and viable curriculum if they go into second grade classrooms for example at math time they should see math being taught during that block and they should see consistency among the lesson that's being taught but our building principles no longer have time to do that because they're working so hard at things like running the building dealing with you know physical plant issues making sure that student discipline is covered so those pieces are starting to decline we've added instructional leadership in the middle school and uh K to 5 math recently and you can see that in terms of instructional leadership we are still at the very very bottom um our the instructional leader positions that we have they're working very hard they work well I think our teachers are super responsive whenever we ask them for something um for for a change in curriculum a change in instructional delivery but if you want ex excellent programming you want exceptional instruction you want great curriculum these numbers have to come up a little bit and we made a good dent I think this year at Hopkins um and we're looking to do the same thing at elwind uh so the 1.0 FTE tutor in reading for Hopkins school um I have got data here from grade three 2024 mcast so they are a current fourth graders and you can see that of the 326 students who took that test 27% of the 326 were either partially meeting or not meeting expectations when we pull out just the 40 students who are on IEPs you can see that about 75% of I'm sorry about 85% of those kids uh were partially meeting or not meeting expectations and you'll see very similar numbers for grade four who are our current fifth graders when we look at the 335 students stud in grade five 30% of them were either partially or not meeting and then again we had 80% of our 45 students on IEP so 36 kids who were either partially or not meeting expectations so the goal really is in grades four and five to kind of get to a place where we are making sure that kids are reading at grade level because when they leave Hopkins school and they get to the middle school our teachers kind of become disciplinary Specialists they go to an English teacher a math teacher a science teach teacher and the reading piece falls off a little bit you don't get that same intensive reading instruction that you would get in a full-fledged Elementary School um the point for FTE and Orchestra I think these numbers are very telling uh you can see how many kids we have in chorus band and Orchestra in grades six seven and eight and so if we look at Orchestra in particular in grade six right when now we have 92 students who are enrolled in Orchestra grade 772 and grade 8 54 when those 54 leave grade 8 and go off to the high school at grade 5 there are 111 students who are in the orchestra at Hopkins so we're replacing 54 with 111 and even if we have some kind of attrition we still need that point for a teacher there's no possible way that the teacher who's there now is going to be able to absorb an additional say 55 students or 65 students this year um the point 6 FTE in computer science I think that's kind of happening everywhere computer science now is very hot lots of kids are taking it there's a strong push from the Department of Elementary and secondary education to make sure that every kid gets a comps ey class before they leave High School it is not mandated now it's not required now but students are kind of seeing that in the workplace and they know that they need that course so that's just based on student enrollment when we look at the French teacher what I've put into the table over here on the right hand side are the course caps for French so all of the French classes at the high school we can load up to 25 students anywhere you see this orange color we are either at the cap or we are exceeding the cap so we do have some classrooms with 26 27 students in them that that shouldn't be and even in a classroom with 25 while that is a cap so we can put that many students it's not our practice to do that in a typical World language class we we' probably put somewhere around 22 23 kids which I think is sort of the market um expectation not just here in hopkington but in other communities so those numbers are high and we need some relief there um our par professionals I will just quickly show you uh why we keep adding pair of professionals if you look at our number of students in 2020 we had 476 students on IEPs in 2024 that number Rose to 600 so we're 12 4 students ahead of where we were 5 years ago and then if we look at the percentage of students we have on IEPs in 2020 we're at 12.2 and today we're at 14.2 so the percentage is going up and the number is going up um obviously so uh when we also look at par professionals a lot of that is just dictated by a student's I AP if an i AP says a student gets some kind of academic support through a par professional or gets onetoone with a par professional that's why you see those position positions in there um and I will show this slide once more because I always like to we take a look at our per pupal expenditure and uh we compare ourselves always to these other 31 uh and one of them obviously is the state average up here at $20,000 and you can see that a lot of these towns are very competitive towns some of our neighbors with whom we share a contiguous border but as you look at them you can see that the highest per pupil expenditure is over in Weston at 30,000 and here in Hopkinton we are paying $1 16,17 per student we get a very good return on our investment there uh that's a very low per pupil expenditure and our students do exceedingly well while they're here in hopkington and we now have evidence that as they go off to college they do very well there as well through self-reporting and through other metrics um finally when we break down per pupil expenditure by bucket um so they'll break it down by Administration instructional leadership teachers teaching Services professional development instructional materials uh wherever you see a red C Circle Hopkinson is in the bottom 25% blue circle hopkinson's in the bottom 50% and a green circle we would be in the top 30% and even though in many of these places we are in the bottom 25% we are always in the top probably 5% in terms of academic in the Commonwealth so a lot to be proud of all right and I will hand things over to Mrs rck to talk about the numbers thank you um so looking at the operating budget for FY 26 we're looking at a salary increase of 2.9 Million 4.74% and an expense increase a little over a million at 1.67% for a total increase to the operating budget of 6.41% we also use uh revolving accounts to reduce the amount that uh comes uh to from the general fund for the from the town so the parking um building use bus revolving preschool athletic revolving International tuition so the total offset from fees is 1,680 then there is circuit breaker of 2.5 million and the special educ reserve a little over 1 million so the total offsets to the Grant from the general fund is 5.3 million which is an increase offset from FY 25 of 720,000 so if you are to add the revolving offsets you can see what the true gross operating budget for the school for FY 26 is 72,5 4 and we always like to just show a little graphic in terms of where all the money is being spent so you can see the largest percentage is uh regular education at 52% followed by student services at 24% and then they're just smaller pies that come off of that um give you a visual of what the budget looks like and then of course lastly we always talk about the fact that the operating budget is 80% salary it is all people so moving into the salary uh piece contractual obligations are 2.2 million and staff requests of 69,000 so again we like to take uh the budget and break it out into these buckets which um to make it more understandable about how the budget is driven if you will so again contractual obligations for salary 2.2 million special education so these are the FTE that you heard Dr Kavanagh speak about earlier 211,000 4 FTE instructional cost and enrollment growth 143,000 2.4 FTE and support at 335,000 which is 2.5 FTE so again just recapping what Dr Kavanagh said earlier student services one teaching for marathon and Elwood three PA Professionals for Elmwood in the middle school but also an increase to preschool and nurse sub accounts the instructional cost and enrollment growth is two teaching uh Middle School point4 the high school 1.6 a point4 FTE for technology and this is a technician but it is offset by a 6 reduction of an integration specialist the administration support and facility enhancements one FTE Elwood assistant principal one reading tutor for Hopkins 0.5 custodian and an increase to substitute accounts of 15 153,000 and that is to bring it up to the actual experience over the last couple of years moving on to expenses again the increase is 1,56 looking at that visually you can see that a lot of this is uh really contractual obligations and driven by um the biggest percentage is student services at 29% then Transportation at 20% followed by building and grounds at 16% using those same buckets contractual inflation and current Services the increase is 271,000 student services 278,000 instructional cost enrollment growth and replacement Cycles at 56,000 for the increase of 1,56 looking at the detail for contractual inflation and current Services Transportation the new contract is 117,000 increase technology which is software hardening security and inflation at 116,000 regular education this is supplies inflation and supplies enrollment at 21,000 and then some miscellaneous others for 15 moving into student services Transportation has an increase of 243,000 tuition's actually decreased 3,000 and that is due to the increase offset of 770,000 for circuit breaker supplies increase of 11,000 contracted Services increase of 21,000 instructional cost enrollment growth and replacement Cycles Transportation 93,000 this is adding one additional bus curriculum 2333 ,000 these are textbook license renewals vocational education 118,000 this is student choice for Nork Aggie and Technology 66,000 for Teacher lease Replacements as we combine both the salary and expense that You' seen in the previous slides contractual inflation current Services 2.5 million special education $489 ,000 instructional cost and enrollment growth 650,000 Administration support and facility enhancements 335,000 and then putting those together for the percentage increases the contractual inflation and current Services the increase is a little over 4% special education 78% instructional cost and enrollment growth a little over 1% Administration support and facility enhancements 53% again for a total increase for the FY 26 budget at 6.41% okay all right so I think we'd be good to start with discussion and are there questions on either presentation anybody I don't know if the select board wants to start you guys have any questions just doing a little math here so the school committee over the last five years my math is correct and I was wrong earlier today about something else so check me on this it looks like there free cash coming back after this fiscal year is less than 1% it's a half a percent of the budget I would argue that's pretty darn good on 65 million bucks or whatever the number is you're not putting back 400 Grand so I think that that what that says to me is all the numbers you put up here it gets utilized in the manner in which it goes up here right so I don't see a lot of padding going on here because some folks in town think well everyone just pads the budget and pads the budget and pads the budget then they don't spend the money or they spend it on wasteful stuff I don't see that based on the free cash stats that I'm looking at so I think it was one year was like 600 Grand the other couple of years is around four so I'm averaging the number a little bit here but it's I think a very good sign that you know the money is spent well the money is spent as planned and the money is not wasted so uh I just wanted to point that out because some folks do think that we've had these things we being town government um and I don't think that's the case so not a question there I guess but a comment I don't think so because this is substantially the same presentation we've seen before right it's it's just the problem at the moment we have a gap in the budget and Mr said the other night we hope that we might get to a point where could be such a big gap but we don't have to cash can I ask a question about that just because I when you had your meeting the other night I we are actually um Jamie and I were in negotiating with the the teachers and I have not had the opportunity to look back through hcam is that number still I think it was 4.7 when we met in December is that down to 3 million yeah okay it's around three now I think the Gap three milon thank you Mr manad do you have any questions comments uh no I was just correcting I thought um Schoolboard chair Nancy asked what's the uh budget Gap is it four I think it has come down to 3 million now yeah that's correct thank you okay good than thank you Mike Appropriations have I don't have any questions because essentially the same uh information as before but I'll let others um Bill you weren't here last time if you have any questions I do thanks um on the fair professionals you mentioned there's three they have now and you're just rolling them into this year's budget so does that mean they were on grants last year is that why you phrased it that way no so these were new requests that came about during the summer based on on students that were before us okay so we are absorbing them this year through grants but then they would have to be funded next year what do you have a total of how many how much money in Grants currently that we will be looking to have to support when they come off that grant for the next budget these are the only ones okay currently okay thank you um a question on the French teacher just so I have a better understanding of it it looks like you've got 15 classes am I interpreting that chart correctly that you've got 15 classes of French that are pretty much capped out almost in every case in some cases they are more than capped out so the proposal is by by adding and maybe ma my math is wrong you want to add a one full-time French teacher so in simple math wouldn't that mean that now the classes are only half full what would that additional teacher do when your access is really one or two people per class so if you see 15 classes there it it means that you would have three people teaching five periods a day so if you had another you'd end up with 20 sections right so you would be taking people out of those and it may end up making those numbers very small um or much smaller I wouldn't say very small uh but it's very challenging to find some first of all it's very challenging to find a French teacher but secondly it would be near to impossible to find somebody who would want to come and work for us for like 6 or8 okay and I understand the math the way you explained it um the other thing that you don't see in these numbers is that we have kids currently taking math on BHS so French they are I'm sorry French on BHS so they are connected to a teacher in some other District in Massachusetts but they take it you know electronically and just for folks at home that may not be familiar VHS is a virtual high school it's they're not learning from Hopkinson teachers I just it's not a VHS we sorry we use a lot of acronyms yes I know in my head they all make sense and is frencher required or is it an elective for most students so they do have to have a couple of years of World Language before or they leave high school but typically our kids will do three or four years of World Language and they get one year sort of under their belt before they leave the middle school and then they come into the high school so for example this year we had we have these very high classes but we also have kids who want to take AP French and that's a place where the number will get low so you know kids will kind of walk away and through a trition you could end up having a section of AP French with only 14 students in it but you can't take 14 students with them on VHS and you can't convince other kids that they have to take v um AP French well I think when you look at a if you were to look at the high school enrollment numbers they fluctuate from classroom to classroom pretty marketly um sometimes for example and I may be getting really in the weeds here but you could have an art classroom where you have drawing one kids and drawing two kids in that same art classroom and you might have 11 drawing ones and six drawing twos so 177 kids two different curricula one teacher under the class so we try to be clever with the way we're grouping kids so that it's not costing the taxpayers more in FTE but something like AP French is there's not much else you can do okay I guess all I'm trying to get to I'm not beating up on French CU I'm not sure how the other classes are but you know we're all trying to find a few thousand here and 20,000 and 50,000 wherever we can I'm just wondering is that is potentially is that one FTE possible to postpone for a year and have classes with 26 27 for one more year is that a that a possibility the part that I don't like is having kids on VHS um and sometimes we'll have students who when we say your only option to take honors French for is a VHS class they'll say then I won't take French and and I I just don't think that's fair to do to kids okay thank you ask a followup from Bill question do we have in in because I'm asking it just because it popped up now if you don't have it this week it would be fine for next week but numbers of eighth graders that are in enrolled in French right now sure would that number be different from the number of kids we expect to exit French yes sure and I think it always is because going from freshman year to senior year there is attrition of course you know there'll be kids who decide that they don't want to do that anymore um but a tricky thing too we do what we call a student generated schedule so this year we could have 100 kids coming into 9th grade who all want French and the next year we could have 62 kids coming into ninth grade who all want french um but we do look at those numbers and I can get the eighth grade numbers for you um but that then means that the 38 kids who from going from the 100 to 62 are going to find their way to Mandarin or they're going to find their way to Spanish so those ters get bigger and smaller all the time that's one of those funny places in a like English nine is not funny everybody takes it but foreign language is you know it's hard to predict is it difficult to find dual certified in foreign languages that's just what I was going to say if you get someone dual certified French Spanish that would be the ideal right because then when you have that sort of it gets bigger and smaller waxing and waning and we had someone at the high school who used to be able to sometimes they would teach four sections of French one Spanish sometimes Three French to Spanish some years all French no Spanish depending on what kids wanted to take the Dual certification is key I have a question on the um increase for contractual for salaries for the teachers which I assume is pretty much Union based has that been firmly negotiated yet or is that intill in Works still in the works and how long is that contract for year toe or a multi-year we typically negotiate threeyear contracts so my question would be if after this gets approved or not get approved my question is if we held the line uh the town with the union and held the line at a smaller increase would you expect teachers leaving in mass quantities to go to get more money or are you using the inflation rate of 3 or 4% currently as the negotiating uh Factor it it's really hard to say whether people would leave a position or not there's loads of reasons why people would leave a position um but I I can't predict what would happen based on a contract because that that is a huge increase uh seeing the numbers here and I know there's always negotiation back and forth but typically I've seen it follows the cost of living you know the percentage you know 3 four 5% you know as a typical you know rule for negotiation one thing that we could show you is what the year-over thee increases have been historically I think that that data is important but I'm wondering if you're looking at that 4.1% for all contracts and the 2.9 Million increase I'll go to front that's that's all contracts right all salaries not just the teachers right yeah so I mean there there should be some wiggle room between the select board and whoever approves you know yeah and can I clarify in the contract terms so your pair professionals Union negotiates at a different year than your teachers UN in right so the prepar professional numbers are known for a few more years to come correct okay but you're but we only know the teachers for the end of this year so and and we also have the cafeteria workers and the custodians that will be the negotiations have not started yet but we're in the process of that and those will numbers obviously aren't firm yet there yeah so the predictability when you're bargaining with three different units gets grayer and grayer okay uh through the chair I had a question go ahead yeah just to clarify on the contract NE negotiations you said it's for 3 years so uh once it's finalized this 4.1 would be recurring in the coming um 3 years including 26 so yeah if I understand your question um correctly year 1 2 and three of a contract can look different so this year uh is projected to be 4.1 next year do we know what it would be or we should be able to project those numbers to no I think we we should be clear that this year we have no number we are still in the process of negotiating and I think that that 4.1 that people keep talking about that is for all contracts um not just the teachers we have custodians we have cafeteria workers we have par professionals um in that number so we don't know what that is and I think maybe to clarify what Mrs RMI was just speaking about when you negotiate with the teachers and you do a three-year contract so we might say in you know the first year of the contract the increase is 2.5 and the second year of the contract the increase is 1.75 in the third year it's 3.25 so that number can change that percent cost of living increase will change every year sometimes it changes every year but you negotiate each year individually is what I'm saying and that number also includes your step increases as well yeah so if a teacher is not the maximum step so they've been in the district for four years and they're going to their fifth year they will make a step uh increase from step four to step five and if they change the degree status say for example from going from Master's um to Master's 15 they would make a lane change as well so that the structure of a salary schedule teaches has a little bit of complexity to it and Ju Just because it it sounds a little bit confusing when we're talking about 4.1% I I've never seen those numbers in a cola adjustment for any um any contract that we have done year over- year in fact I think the LA the existing contract for the teachers I think it was under 3% the 2.75 and 2.5 the year two years before that so if that makes sense yes I don't think that there was a year that was 3% in that contract right through the chair I had one other question um just quickly on the transportation side looks like the expenses grew by 20% that's pretty high and I see there's one new addition of a new bus which probably contributed the most can you um clarify that uh increase a little bit so we do have the uh contract increase for the um bus which is 117,000 um so that's for the fleet of 35 buses and then there is a new bus being added and that new bus is 93,000 thank you and the new bus is because of the growth because of because of growth some of our buses are still um running Beyond an hour and are at over capacity yeah I I know that and from various firsthand experiences unfortunately and a subsequent question do we not also increase in revenue from our bus um fees we do we have the the revenue that we're using from the bus fees is projected out over the next uh till 20130 so the amount we're using from the bus fees is projected at that number but continuing to say sustainable um until 2030 so even though we're adding a bus it's putting kids into the bus so that they their ride is not as long and it's not over capacity that makes sense thank you right Caroline do you have any uh yeah I have a few questions thank you thank you um yes uh first um I know our school district is um you know running very successfully R uh uh on the top um besides the uh uh our school district everyone's work I also want to recognize all the parents behind the scenes the uh energy the work and the resources they put in to um push their children to success uh my question will be um so our state funding does it go up and down with the number of inv en it does it's it's driven by enrollment is it in proportion like per student by culation there there's a very complicated calculation there's enrollment there's um poverty there's special education there's several pieces to the equation but it is driven enrollment is a big piece of it okay great um second question will be so do we administer like SAT test or do do we provide um like a VH or other classes to students in other districts and you know collect any fees or funding for that we don't so annually the school committee has to decide if we want to be a school choice District or not and historically we have not done that just because we've had our own overcrowding problems okay even virtually we're not able to do we don't have virtu ual classes going on as a general rule no at this point is your question are hopkington teachers teaching the VHS classes that students across the not only in our school district that's what I'm saying right yeah so if you are participating in VHS and we do um I think we have like 75 seats meaning that 75 different courses not they can't be taught to 25 kids one kid counts as a seat and so if you have 75 seats that means that somebody in your building so someone at Hopkinson High School does have to teach a VHS course like it's part of like this reciprocal thing to make sure that kids so say for example you're a student at hopkington high school and you want to take Latin but we don't offer Latin you could take that through VHS you know what I'm saying and it's not just I guess my question will be are we only a consumer of this or are we provider too no you have to be a provider if you're part and parcel of the program okay that sounds like it's a wash it's a one for one okay it's part of the contract in order to get seats you also I think it's like every 25 seats you have to provide a teacher okay great for one period right yeah but they're not dedicated to Hopkin when the teachers are doing correct that they're open to yeah but it's not a revenue generator it's not a revenue generator it's just break even right not it's does not generate revenue for any school district yeah but it offers classes that you can't offer necessarily yeah right that's all from thank you Gan no I don't have any questions thanks okay we're good okay school committee people have comments questions I know there's been a lot of talk about budget kind of for the past couple of months but it seems like it um we're getting to a point where it's going to become busier and next week is our public hearing and we're getting close to a point where we need to vote the budget so do people have questions um thoughts on steps forward Etc I have one just one question does the projection of what our cost per Pew per pupil expenditure Rises to with the 6.4% I mean is it just direct it jumps 6% if the overall budget is that tied to the per pupil expenditure so what would happen is you take this whole great big budget and you would divide it by the number of kids in the district okay so it's essentially the same so if it's a 6% 4% increase in the budget then the cost per PUK will will jump up 6% as well unless you have more kids I get unless you have more kids but okay in Broad terms yeah okay got it thanks although I think the last year for example it was about a 5% % increase like the 5.35 5.35 last year and so did the what how much did the per pupil expenditure increase cuz I think it's been in the 16 right I hate to say it but you don't get to see that until probably two weeks from now when they post it of course so we can see if it went up from the 16,170 or if it went down but I think as long as I have been here we've lived in the high 15s low 16s like just waivers like within a maybe 200 $50 parameter and the percent increase in number of children were expecting to increase is also yes I think that that's what moved it is the number of kids ask when so you're having your hearing next week is that right correct you'll be voting on a budget at the end the foll week okay and we so we may have more information by that time right pre would be known that great the first pass of the governor's budget will come out as well so you'll get a first look at potential revenue from from the state Susan what's your take on that is that something you should even count on well you know like like the budget it's a very long process um so we did get notice today that the um collections were above Benchmark and I know Kyla has been also told that you know it could be flat so there's all kinds of information out there in terms of what the governor will put forward we don't know what are the collections the revenue that the state collects if their if their revenue is down then they're not going to give towns and cities um you know more than they collect so the revenue projections will get that first pass towards the end of January from the governor but we won't know um I would like to I'm curious so my understanding is that the the current 6.4% budget that we've been presenting does this basically represent level Services I would say yes to that oh thank you so anything below would require a decrease in services to our students and families I don't know if I want to say that it would like just it would it seems to follow logically right right it's hard to speak in those like black and white right I think my concern I think that we to kind of put the elephant out in the room is that we're looking at it what we've been discussing the past couple of months of what feels like really strong needs in the district we're hearing some concerning things on the revenue side although we I remain hopeful that some things will look a little bit brighter but my concern is that there may be things that will need to be removed from the budget in some way and and that we're going to have to roll up our sleeves and figure out what the where the priorities are of things I know obviously um the 3.0 pair of professionals that are already in that would be a a thing that in the teaching positions that we have I think that's losing I a for lack of a better word student facing positions is always the biggest concern ABS um and but wanting to also make sure that we get a budget working with our partners here that we can bring forward to town meeting in May and and get what we can for our keep our schools I think it's going to be really difficult because as we went through the budget process Dr Kavanaugh made sure her staff really cut it to the Bone and didn't ask for much and I'm the only place there is to cut is to cut services to students yeah the special education services we just talked about are legally required can not cut them they're in students IEPs and they're entitled to those and beyond that I would think of classroom teachers if we um it impacts everybody um we want to do what's legally required of course but it's going to hurt our students on IEPs as much it as is our typical students if we look at having to increase class sizes that that would be a thing that I would not want to have to look at but 25 students in a class is tough yeah you know I was an English teacher I taught six classes 25 students per class compositions I'd collect I'd have 1502 200 papers to read but I think in the next couple of weeks we are going to have to look at ways that we can realistically move forward even if it means there are things that are in this budget that we all felt really strongly and positively about um are there things that we could look at that would still protect the quality of Education we have but maybe be delayed a little bit and I know looking at creative things like making the French Spanish double if we're able to get that is obviously things but is that something that we can try to discuss if there are ways we can sharpen our pencils better um than we think we can right now um and look at are there positions that we're adding um that would be less damaging or less hurtful if they had to wait a year for our physicians that we currently have that you know when you look at enrollment and and think about what kids want need choose that kind of thing so we can look at that um but I will need to put my team in a room so building principes directors and really take a look at everybody's asks so that we're looking at it holistically yeah I I just don't see a lot of as I mentioned a few minutes ago I don't see a lot of fat here I don't see a lot of wasted money um the challenge is while we want to take care of the students and maintain the great schools that we have we have 10 other departments or whatever the number is we got another $60 million on the other side of the Ledger we also need to take care of we can't be cutting police officers or firefighters or anything else you know so we just got to figure it out I believe we can figure it out they really do and I you know as somebody that gets emails like all of us the word cut creates emails anybody that sends emails about cutting right now I think is wasting their time because we're not there yet you know I don't think that's what we have to talk about I think what we have to figure out is what is the absolute best possible budget that we can work with the schools to finalize and do the same with all the other departments and see where we land and see what our revenue streams are like and then maybe take a look at a couple of other options so I think we will figure it out I really do and I don't see a lot of I'm a pain in the butt about the money at the local level as we all know I don't see a lot of wasted money here and it's in line with their increases as the enrollment has grown over the last 5 10 years I mean the average increase over the years is about it's about I can't pull up a sec it's about um I think it was about 5.6% somewhere around there uh year after year after year and the town has supported that so the word cut I don't think is what we need to be talking about I appreciate hearing that because I are there any other pieces that we don't know yet that we will know soon um any Revenue sources or no just the so free cash we know will be certified and then um and state a and state aid okay excise tax that's a that's an estimate yeah and the circuit breaker is that's a solid number we budget for what the current year receivable is so it is a solid number okay there's a couple of big numbers on the on the in the general budget that aren't solid yet though I don't think we have a solid number yet on benefits I don't think we have a solid number yet for you know health care and things of that nature so there's some other big numbers out there that could go up that could make the challenge bigger they could go down that could make the challenge little easier so sometimes we don't find that out until we're getting well into the spring so there's some big numbers out there that you still have to sort through how often do those come in low uh historically is it I think it's like zero to thenone yeah benefits usually comes in under I think people are it be up year-over-year but it could come in but we're currently caring for because we're trying to be conservative set it all up right so um I think that's why I still think this we can figure this out all right right thank you thank you thank you so we all set I think all set Brian yes we're all out thank you all right stay warm out there all right that then brings us into uh reports and we're going to start Savannah with you if that's hope everybody had relaxing holiday season um quick summary of going back to school oops sorry I think your microwave phone your microwave mic microphone needs to come in a little yall hear me out there you tap and see if it's on okay it is you probably better louder from the diaphragm quick summary of going back to school we had that nice two-day week which kind of eased us into this brutal 5day week that we're having right there with you uh the ninth grade students have been collecting signatures to run for Student Council this year we decided not to have them run going into first semester to kind of have them acctivate to the school and to avoid 8th grade elections and kind of show them the real meaning and purpose of the student council rather than kids who are just running for like college applications or something like that and they will be holding actual elections for that on the 17th additionally HOSA is hosting a neuroscience tedex event in the auditorium right now I think it started at 5:30 and it ended it ending at 8 so the speakers they have lined up range from high school juniors to Harvard alumni uh hopkington Unified sports is putting on an eight 8-week strength training program competition right now so this program meets two days a week on Wednesdays and Thursdays from 2:45 to 3:45 in our wait room and we'll end on February the 13th hopkington unified theater is putting on a production tomorrow and Saturday titled a salute to Disney where members are going to be performing and celebrating some of Disney's most popular songs and this event is hosted by the hopkington center of the art so if you're looking to purchase tickets go on their website uh as a little Shameless plug I wanted to let you guys know about the ovarian cancer fundraiser game that Hoppington girls varsity ice hockey is hosting on Saturday at 4: at New England Sports Center this Saturday yes ma'am what sports center New England Sports Center in Malboro it's the home rank for the boys and girls game is that the one that's past the uh Solomon Pond Mall down in that area M all that direction it's huge it has like 12 ranks and then the boys have a game right after us so we're hoping to collect some some people from that game so this game was started by former hopkington girls varsity ice hockey player kelen Bole when her mom Marie was diagnosed with ovarian cancer she secured donations for special teal colored game jersies which we're wearing tomorrow and during the game as well as socks and created a fun r format that features a prize raffle silent option and a 50/50 raffle the game also starts with a speech from Ken's mom Marie and an oncology nurse from Dana Farber this is going to be the fourth annual running of this fundraiser game and all proceeds go to the girly girl parts foundation and the Dana Farber Cancer Institute to finish up we're coming up on the end of the semester as I'm sure you guys know so we have our midyear exams the week of January 21st and we'll end on that Friday and teachers have finished up their last units of the semester and some of my teachers have begun exam review and the second semester will start on the 27th great thank you any questions good luck with the fundraiser I may try to get out there are you ready for exams my physics exam like cook me but all those protons moving along so now if I recall correctly in the spring seniors many of them don't have to take exams so this could be your last round cross my fingers I know I don't have to show up for my wellness exam because I have above a 90 so that's nice nice very nice all right that moves us then into the superintendent report okay um thank you so this is a superintendent report for January 9th 201 25 um I wanted to just take a little closer look at enrollment um this particular grid is one that I had shown you on October 10th and at that point in time we were 44 students from the June 30th Target and on October 10th I had looked back at September 26 where we were 53 students from the June uh 30th Target so at that point in time we were um we only had a nine student increase um so when we take a look at where we are today um we are 39 students from the June 30th only an increase of 14 but again as I said in the uh budget presentation we do have to keep our eye on the prek numbers because those will creep up pretty quickly um it does feel like we could possibly get to that 4290 and get with our 39 students away right now but we'll be very close at the end of the year I think um here's something I never show you so I thought uh maybe tonight we could take a very quick look at it because these are also students that um either the town or the district is funding in 23 24 we had 24 students at ke Tech and two at Norfolk Aggie this year we have three at norfol agie and we have 26 at Keef um at assabet Valley I should have actually pulled that down we have one student uh we had one last year and we have none this year but if you are looking for a vocational program that isn't offer at ke Tech you can choose aset Valley if they have it quite clearly that person has graduated um and then we have ch charter schools in out of District the district does pay for charter schools in out of district and so last year uh at the end of the year we had three kids in a charter school and 36 out of District this year we have two kids at this point in time at a charter school and 34 out of District you know the out of District number can fluctuate what does that cost us um out of district is really dependent upon the placement so one of the our agenda items tonight is to take a look at the tech collaborative if you are a member of the collaborative for example you get tuition at a reduced price so um then there are you know private placements there are public placements so there are all different kinds of ways that we can play students and those things are they just all have different price tags and these are our district can can be um students with special needs that's what is are they exclusively those students exclusively okay yeah um so the last part of this I really wanted to show you something that um has been happening over the last few days and and I thought is this an anomaly and it's really not uh one of the things that very frequently happens in Hopkinson and I think this might be part of the Secret Sauce is that our Educators and that includes administrators get together very regularly to take a look at um all kinds of professional learning so for example today we had after school in the high school library Educators who got together and some of them are administrators and some of them are teachers they can be Librarians but they all Gather in one place to have conversations about AI I mean it has been like kind of revolutionary the changes that have happened and I think Educators everywhere trying to figure it out and so we're not alone in that but it's really nice to see our people come together to have these conversations um at the same time over in the central office this is Shelley Moran here in the middle she is our director of k to5 math and she has two of our math ctls and they were taking a look at our math curriculum so they start by looking at data they say where are our strengths where are our places that we need to grow they revise the curriculum they talk about if it's in the right order for kids to build sequentially they think about instruction practices and this kind of stuff happens all the time um we had yesterday what we call elt it's Elementary leadership team so everyone in that room is an administrator in the district and what we were focused on yesterday was mtss how are the multi-tiered system of supports or how is the multi-tiered system of supports kind of playing out how is it implemented in our classrooms uh we talked a little bit about what constitutes tier one 2 and three but I think the more important conversation is around when we are delivering different kinds of instruction to kids who need it how are we making those determinations and how are we measuring the growth and then finally I wish I had a picture for this one of all the people we have a 28 person adman Council and we did some professional learning and all of those call out boxes came from an article based on um uh research based breast practices from the year 2024 and so we were all in small groups and each one of these call out box boxes uh reflect some of the thinking so they could be things as um simple as you know uh just having kids immerse themselves in the natural world and they will say that when kids are outside and perhaps conducting science out there or outside on an Ela lesson um it has a significant psychological upside um things about mental health foundational skills in Reading not every kid needs the same amount um so all of those things and you can kind of take a look at them when you uh have access to this presentation but it's really nice I think even things about when kids get just a little bit of success it kind of fuels them a little bit like a drug and they want a little more and they and they report it that way it's kind of neat and that's how kids develop intrinsic motivation so all of that was there and that's all I have for you but all of that happened in the last couple of days which is really amazing to see that many people even while instruction is going on in every one of our classrooms to engage in that kind of thinking about instruction we're we're really good at that that's great yeah any questions comments for Dr Kavanaugh great job keep it up yeah yeah thank you great very proud of that great job Mr LeBron go on all right thank you um that brings us into the school committee chair report payroll warrant 25012 and 25012 2 a have been approved warrant 25-48 s 25-49 s 25- 50s 25- 051 5S 2552 s 25-0 53s 25-5 4S and 25-55 S have been all been approved and included in the folder uh the uh annual town report I have sent a very rough draft out um My Hope Is that we can um people can take a look at it over the next week and come back and we can kind of sharpen it up and add things that people think that I that should be included the it always starts with a paragraph about what it is the school committee does that's part of what the instructions are uh and then some highlights are some important pieces of the year so they they don't like them too lengthy cu no nobody reads them it's a big book any anyway yeah they it printed in that book right I think it printed in the book I'm not sure if an extra paragraph really detracts from how many people are reading it or not but well it gives you something to read in tell meeting it does it does so there's that um also just wanted to add in that since we met last week which feels like a very long time ago I think when we're talking about the five- day week this week it definitely uh I feel it I am meeting tomorrow um with Sheena and with Judy that we met um from NZ deck to put together some things to bring forward for next week's meeting for the school committee to um comment and decide to approve or change as needed so that's all I've got on that um do you have a meeting next week we do have a meeting next week this is a special month we are bonding we are bonding right um it is our public we have hit four because we did a remote one next week that's um super January I'm so sorry we didn't invite you I know was we had cookies too no no the last one was remote there there's no smell oret or tast oret to get the cookies through so uh are there liaison reports that people have yes so that sustainable green committee on Monday night they have a concern that we will bring I talk to Mr Masters as well about the reimbursement in the new building worried about the new ad Administration and the credits we're getting for the geothermal if those would be affected by that we won't have any information until that person steps into office and what happens to the IRA that was their one concern they also would like an update I think they're going to make the meeting happened but in case they don't I'll bring it back um about how the composting is going going so we we will we we will it is going I'm not really sure what the question is all the kitchens are doing the composting using I think they want data on the composting how like how much num of buckets like what maybe they could switch to worm composting and you could talk about the number of worms that have been generated pick the compost thing up is that how does that work I don't know the the pickups are twice a week okay I'm sure they have the data right the company they must me do we have like I mean I don't know that they measure yeah because we we don't ask for it to come back so you can have the contract and and take back the dirt that's composted but we don't have a place to put that so we don't ask for it back flow back we just give it away so twice a week all five schools have pickups um okay from the kitchens okay great so we could go and get free compost from the school no the school things no you can't no because we don't we don't take it back yeah we don't want it no but we could go and say well you know we're from hackington can we have some compost oh you want to go to Black Earth can we have some compost please all right that is all from suable Green thank you it's good anybody else okay we're going to have a lot from uh CPAC there's a shark things on the I'm excited about that that was touched on briefly when we had um CPAC here so yes all right so that brings us then into new business item a which is the Hopkins school gift account okay um so the Hopkins school has had its annual fundraiser and they have earned or raised $660 35s and they are looking for you to accept that for the Hopkins school gift account fabulous I mooved to accept $660 35 for the Hopkins school gift account motion by Jamie a second by Chris all those in favor I it's what is the Hopkins gift account used for so one of the things I know that they will do with it is if they are having say a field trip sometimes they can defray the cost or of things yeah sometimes they'll buy something that will impact the entire school so they try to make sure that it goes back so that it impacts pretty much all kids okay that's great okay that moves us into the CPAC shark project okay the CAC shark project um it has really taken off and you don't get to see some of the things that people are buying for our special education uh teachers and related art Specialists because they come in under $100 so they don't have to come here for approval but we have had one person donate enough items that they are valued at $250 so we will need you to accept the donation from a single donor of school supplies for the shark project that we have valued at $250 fabulous I move to accept the donations of school supplies for the shark project valued at what $250 I second motion by Jamie a second by Susan all those in favor I I and is unanimous and that brings us then into the education collaborative agreement okay so Tech is permitting two districts to join the collaborative um one is King Philip Regional and the other are the Sharon Public Schools um and so when that happens we go through a very very long process of having conversations about whether or not Sharon and King Philip are the right fit for us and um ultimately we have decided that they are um so what will happen before between now and January 31st is that every school committee who is a tech member will have to either vote to approve letting them in or say no to that um the board of directors did have our vote and we voted unanimously to accept them into the collaborative um and then if the majority of school committees do vote Yes then it will pass in King philli and Sharon will become a part of the education collaborative I move to accept the amended the education collaborative agreement okay second motion by Susan a second by Chris all those in favor I and and it is unanimous thank you very much for that and that brings us into the Sprinter van okay so a long time ago yeah Ricky Andre our athletic director came here and did a little presentation on what it would look like if the Hopkinson Public Schools were able to afford a sprinter van um and I think it's a 14 passenger van and we the boosters were largely the greatest contributor to this at $77,500 we will use it for after school travel of our athletic teams um and so we currently have a a protocol document in place because we want to make sure that legally the B is being used safely and so our legal council has that and they are working on getting that document in place but I think right now it feels like everything is is ready to go so uh the Sprint event is here it's parked next to the middle school and so we just need you to approve that and our legal council to figure out all the you know particulars and we'll be we'll be good is it nicely dressed does it have Hopkin tin on it and all kinds of stickers does not yet have any Hopkin tin on they still they still need to get the well they're going to they're going to print it up and dress it up has it has to have that on there identification I did not know that was a rule yes isn't that exciting it is exciting all right wait you see it'll be around town we yeah very generous um the boosters um yeah yes to they do a lot of work to to support things in our school and a shout out to Ricky too because he has been like tenacious about this thing he has not given up really back thought we already had it yeah I did too we have different we voted on this yeah can we vote on this we voted for them to explore purchasing yeah we didn't have the number okay all right well I move to approve the donation of the 14 passenger Sprinter van valued at $7,595 [Music] folks are Kyla if you and Susan had a chance to look that and to make sure that those dates work for you they had emailed us prior okay to this great okay and so there we you know obviously if something comes up along the way we can come back to looking if something needs to be shifted but I would seek a motion uh if somebody feels I'll make a motion to approve the Revis timeline for the superintendent search committee second okay motion by Kyla second by Chris all those in favor I I okay and the next piece is the focus group guide for the superintendent search um we want to determine here how many focus groups I know that um last last week they were saying that four is the typical number we are allowed to have up to six without any additional charge um I liked and I'd love to hear what other people think too but I liked the idea of having some that were able to people able to access virtually in some in person yes I don't know how others feel about hybrid I do think sometimes with hybrid that it it's difficult you lose um the people that are in the room can't hear or can't be as aware of who's not in the room and vice versa so that would be my I agree dedicated virtual and in person makes sense um so I I guess I was thinking it would be helpful maybe for staff if we had one that was a little bit after school that was in person to be yes targeting for staff um what in terms of Staff what time is a good time to do an in-person like is 4:00 meet the needs of most or does that create too much or too little of a gap uh so it's a I think that I think anything after 3:30 is okay okay yeah I mean our administr Traders would have a little more flexibility but teachers are really integral I think in terms of getting kids on buses and you know all of that at the end of the school day so we want to make sure that teachers that are getting kids on buses are able to get to the what the location is yeah I think you could say 3:30 33 would be fine don't you think that way the I I I would probably say 3:45 to be safe just to give them little time to like they're still doing dismissal at 3:35 yeah and we know we treat the way maybe we can offer treats do they um do any kind of like um sign up to be in the focus group so the one thing yeah one well the one thing that I somebody from NASDAQ had said last week was that offering a sign up for people does encourage people to come I wouldn't want anyone to feel like they couldn't come if they'd forgotten to sign up would be the only thing that we could maybe ask for a voluntary RSVP but to give us a guide you know B so one thing I I am thinking about when whenever we do something so for example like mentoring right we invite all the beginning teachers in once a month but we always do double sessions because the high school people and middle school people don't like to wait till 3:30 qu to 4 okay when they get out of school so it would be nice if we could have a 245 and then maybe a 345 if that would be possible you you would certainly we do two different if we have six and we were going to do four yeah we can defin that I think that's a good idea um in terms of community forums I think definitely at least one virtual and one um in person do we think there are other groups that we want to specifically have a forum for do we just want to go with CommunityWide not keep it broad that's what I was thinking too just because it's awkward if you have two people show up she had a small be a waste yeah all right so one one in person one virtual do we need do we want or need more than that for the community did we say two for staff or one for staff we said two for staff one at 245 for high school midle yeah have they given or you have an idea about how many people is there come to these the only thing I can think of is did you do them last speaking we did they I mean they weren't huge groups of people which allowed for you know probably more conversation with those that were there 10 or 12 people yeah that's probably about about what we only have to use one cupcake pan really stuck on I think we'll get more from staff that are if they're after school I think that's and and there there is also the survey they're going to do so are people good with two Community yeah and two Staff All right so we'd like four in the community um in person I'm thinking like a 7:00 so people are home from work yeah or and can have dinner get settled and get out cuz I assume most they do and they've invited us to participate um preferably in groups of fewer than like two people yeah yeah three that's the okay we can divide ourselves up okay all right I think we do want to are we setting the dates or just nzda at the dates so I would be inclined to let them set the dates off of the calendar unless people have AE like if there's a preferable day I don't just CU how that works uh are there in terms of Staffing are there days that are better than others for stuff like that Monday they always have meetings in their buildings so we don't want to go we want to away to Monday um Friday they want to get out right Tuesday is good me too Tuesday Wednesday Thursday depending on I think Tuesday Wednesday Thursday seems reasonable okay all right so then I would look for a motion to on that I moveed to hold focus groups for four groups two for staff one at 245 and the second anything after 3:45 and two CommunityWide forums one virtual and one in person as part of the superintendent search process second motion by Jamie a second by Chris all those in favor I I um and that brings us that was unanimous then brings us into policy jic student discipline all right thank you this is a second reading of and and I think as we talked about last time this really comes about because of the Department of Elementary and secondary Education civil rights audit uh we did not have a policy jic uh this is very largely taking taken right from mgl I mean it just sort of codifies that for us in in policy form and so we um did run it by all of the building principles and the administrators the other morning at admin Council no one seemes to have any concerns about it uh so I don't know if you want to approve this tonight because I think it would make Mrs hans's Job in the department of Elementary and secondary education very happy um I moved to a approved policy jic student discipline okay I just wanted to add in before we vote on it um just that I think the only reason we brought it back was I don't think any there were any concerns about it was because it was a first reading that's right that is correct motion by Susan is there a second second by Chris all those in favor um Can can I just bring attention to anyone in the community um on the last page of the document there is a question and answer addressing the needs of children with disabilities and the idea's discipline Provisions I think that's a really important document to look at um for anyone in the community any parents especially of kids with special needs just to be familiar with those thank you okay then that moves us into the items by consensus okay as superintendent I recommend the school committee approve the items by consensus as outlined in your agenda I move to approve the items by consensus second motion by Jamie second by Chris all those in favor I and we do have um an executive session scheduled um I hate to say it because feel like I'm jinxing it but we are ahead of schedule so I would seek a motion to comply with our act under the authority of mglc 30A and 2182 for the purpose of discussing strategy with respect to collective bargaining with the hopkington Teachers Association because discussing an open meeting would have a detrimental effect on the school committee's bargaining position and then to adjourn in executive sessions so for folks at home we will not be returning back on to the public so is there a motion I move motion by Susan second by Kyle we got to do a r call on this starting with you Kyla yes Chris yes Susan yes Jamie yes and I am a yes and we are entered into executive session at 8:28 thank you everybody who's tuned in and have a good night we can't go into executive session I don't have any