All right. We're here to discuss um our Loop Road situation. Oh, there's your smiling face. Great. Um our L road situation after our exciting meeting last week.
Mhm. So, the Slack board has um opened a special town meeting warrant and they have told us I had a conversation with Joe Clark last Friday
that they are leaving it up to us whether we would like to um put the paving of the loop road onto the special town meeting warrant >> to be held within the regular town meeting or we can let it expire. It's
open apparently for 30 days from last night. What are the the cons of rejecting? >> Well, Susan, I'm going to look at you a little bit, Rother Mitch. Um
>> Oh, okay. >> We were gonna move forward. Yeah, I know. When I said Susan, I realized >> just call her Mrs. Rother Mitch. that has make life easier. >> I'm happy to jump in if you want me to do some pros and cons. Miss Rothenik can certainly jump in if I if I anything.
But um I mean I guess the way that that we see it from if we were to go to a special town meeting uh the pros for that I think uh we've been hearing some concerns from some other boards and uh I think a pro of doing that might be that we're hearing the concerns and showing
an effort of of compromise. I think the cons on the other hand, um I do think this might set precedent with change orders. Um does every change order now have to go to town meeting? We'd have to consider that. What's the threshold? Is it a percentage of the job? Is it a number value? We don't have those
numbers. So it might be something that the um charter committee can can consider as they move forward. Uh also a con if it goes forward, it might not pass. And I think we all know how critical it is to be able to to pave the loop road. everybody we've talked to, regardless of the process or procedure,
feels like it needs to be paved. Um, and then I think on the flip side, if we if we stay the course and do not go to special town meeting, you know, I think the pros, and we've talked about this a number of times at school committee, even before my time as superintendent, um, is, you know, from a standpoint of
of timing, um, it'll be done quicker from a standpoint of efficiency, from a standpoint of cost. Uh, we have the personnel on on site. So, there's a lot of pros. I think the cons again are kind of the flip of the pros if we go there. It's it's it's trying to be aligned with with uh other other town boards and and
what their what their concerns are. So those are and Susan, I don't know if I've missed anything, but those are kind of how we see the pros and cons of of of both options. >> Yeah. No, I think um you know what Evan said in terms of kind of changing the
rules of the game in terms of making a change order go to town meeting. Um so it's been authorized and it's been reviewed by two legal councils that this is within the four corners of the article. Um so because some people have
a difference of opinion making it go to town meeting um it I mean it does it changes the rules of the game. So, uh, and and we do have a list of the number of times that this has been brought up, um, at school
committee meetings dating all the way back to 2023. >> Yeah. And I can read those dates if you like. Um, was July 25th, 2023, September 7th, 2023. Uh, February 2nd, 2023. Uh we also had
in 2025 we had 417 so April 17th uh May 1st 2025, July 24th of 2025, October 30th of 2025, December 18th of 2025 and then more recently um in February and 2026. So we have talked about this
within within school committee in public about including the repaving of the loop road because I remember I remember particularly when talking about costs and rebidding it. So
this could have been brought up earlier if it were such an issue. What makes it come up now? >> That seems >> I think what we were just talking about it was brought up earlier. It's been as we've been working on the
Hopkins project, it's been brought up that the loop road needs to be paved. >> Yes. >> And that it could be included within the scope of work, >> right? >> If there was the funding available to do that, >> right? And we have talked about that endlessly.
But why now is somebody deciding choosing this moment to say, "Oh, wait a minute. This should be handled a different way." >> So, I think it caught people's attention because of the amount of money that it
is. >> It's larger than a typical change order. I I I don't think, you know, and I said this when we talked about at the school community meeting, I don't think we did anything wrong. operated within how we've always done change orders and I think that was the spirit of it. I think
there are people from the town side that said whoa, you know, how how can this be? It's a lot of money and that when we had talked about the loop road previously, it wasn't known until recently that we'd be able to put it in
>> within the budget of the project. Um otherwise we you know it could have been put in upfront. I want to go back to a couple of things just question wise. One is um do we have
a sense of what the actual time difference would be if we do the special town meeting within the town meeting versus if we go forward with it as a change order like how much time are we talking? Um the the struggle with this is because
um you know we're still working on getting different bids. If we are not able to give a notice to proceed until after town meeting, if this ends up with a contractor that is different than the contractor who's
already within the project, um that they may not hold their hold that summer work if we can't give them notice to proceed until that date. If the award goes to the existing contractor, it may not be a
problem, but if it goes to a a different contractor, it will be a problem. Um, but I will say that the discussion of the loop road originally it was talked about as being part of the fullscale project.
Um, the cost and trying to keep the cost down, it was taken out. Um but in all those school committee meetings and capital plan meetings that Evan spoke about, it was discussed that it with
money being available if it comes in under budget that it would be done as part of the project. That was always the message. >> So we've never hidden our our beliefs on it. >> No. >> No.
Can I can I ask a a couple questions? As I understand it, there's was no public comment or push back on all of those dates about doing it this way. Is that correct? Okay. Is there consensus among everyone
on all of the different boards that the loop road needs to be fixed? I understood that to be the case. Is that a correct summary? It appears to be from the meetings we had with both appropriations and the select board that they agree that it needs to be done
>> that it needs to be done. I think anyone who walks or drives on loop road would agree with that. And so the only push back is maybe procedural, but changing course means a most likely
delay and if I'm if I understand it correctly, almost assuredly costing more than what the worst case estimate is currently. Is that a correct summary? >> There there really is no guarantee on the cost. So, we we can't say it will
definitely go up, but we don't know what the bidding um environment will be, >> but I thought the is it 1.2 million to do the loop rope? I know we're asking for additional bids, but >> 1.8, I think. >> 1.8.
>> Okay. So, 1.8 and that's worst case if we move forward now, but we right. Isn't that a bid that has already come in and said we can do it for 1.8? We have the money. uh all systems go but we've asked for additional bids from from other uh
vendors and it could be less but worst case it's >> it's 1.8 >> current currently correct >> and and if we delay I guess it could be less than 1.8 but it could also be 1.8 with the bidding process we have now. So I think it's
safe to assume that best the best time to do it from a cost standpoint is now and the quickest. Is that a correct summary? >> I would say yes. >> I would say >> okay I don't understand why this is even an
issue. I am fully supportive of us moving forward with this now. It'll be cheaper. It'll be quicker. The work needs to be done. The money's there. We're within the scope of what we're able to do. It's been public. There's been I don't know. It sound like you ripped off six or seven different times.
It's been brought up. No push back. No public comment until the last minute. >> We did get one email. >> One one email. Okay. >> Am I correct that asphalt involves oil? >> Yes, it does. Oh, we know
that the price is going to be much higher. I mean, to me, that's that's almost a given of the project. I thought it was, you know, had oil in it. Um, I think economically and I I think Chris
laid out the scenario perfectly logically. And that's one thing I I always lean on Chris for is his his logic and and looking at numbers like that. And I personally think we should
go ahead and do it considering I am Am I right that Blue Bro basically exists because Hop Hopkins is there and it was a way to manage traffic. >> It is the Hopkins driveway. >> Yes. >> If it's a Hopkins driveway, it seems to
me it's part of the Hopkins renovation. >> Agreed. >> Chris, do you want to make a motion? Oh, I can before we get into emotion, I did have just one other one other thought on on the whole thing and I I do feel like I'm kind of an outlier here. My my
concern is not about the merits of the project. My concern is that we went before two different boards and we asked for their support. We asked for them to I think pro provide a united front and in the process of asking we got the
opposite of that from them. And I I think that if we go forward with it we need to be cognizant that doing the opposite of what they have when we asked them what they gave their opinion to be could have fallout in the next budgetary
process. Are you suggest are you suggesting that if those two boards don't like the action we take that it'll be held against us? I uh yes we the last meeting that we held with the select board there was one member of the select board who
said he would wrote down the entire budget because of this I mean that's >> the entire town budget >> the entire town budget which is a ridiculous thing but I think the sentiment is and I don't think that's necessarily how we want to kind of conduct our business.
Um, but I do think we need to be cognizant that we asked for their opinion in both cases and their opinion and we're disregarding their opinion if we go forward with it. And that's I'm not saying that's not makes it a no-go, but I think we need to be aware of that
going into a difficult year. I think those two boards are probably a higher hurdle for us than the larger public. I thought there was there wasn't consensus on at least the select board >> three to two vote.
>> There were there were three somewhat um passionately against and two who were very supportive of it. >> Although I can say that they could have um put this on the warrant themselves.
in my conversation that I had with Joe on Friday said he would not support that. So if they had taken a vote last night to put it on the warrant, it would have been three to two in favor of us. >> And what was the >> take a vote? >> What what was the
breakdown of the other board? Sorry, I missed the Thursday meeting obviously, but what was the other board that >> we met with appropriations a different night? They didn't take a vote, but there were a couple of them that were pretty
pretty angry in the same way. Not all of them. Um, but it they there was not a lot of warm fuzzy support from them either. >> And they're they don't they don't I don't think um rebroadcast their meeting. So, it's not something that we'd be able to go back
and review anyway. But it I think that's >> one member questioned why we were doing it at all, >> why it was being repaved at all. >> Yeah. And the other ones that brought is the one that brought this to the select board originally that they didn't like
our decision. >> I do think that most people are aware of how and and we've had emails from teachers talking about how unsafe they feel that the sidewalks are and how unsafe it is for
you know both the road and the sidewalks are are in abysmal condition. I don't I think it would be hard for anyone who looks at that to come to a different conclusion. I think the what's a challenge is if we're we're looking at
town meeting is almost exactly a month away. It's May 2nd, right? Is that accurate? um a and trying to kind of project out it. I I hear there's some risk that it's going
to push the project out, but it it feels like there are a lot of unknowns. And I think that the change order piece, the the larger thought of is this going to change how we do change orders, I feel fairly
certain that whatever we do, there is going to be some move to either put it in the bylaws. I think it's more appropriately a bylaw issue than it is a a charter commission issue. But to to put a cap on how much change orders can
be, I don't I think that there are enough people angry enough that there could be a movement for that. What whatever we do. >> Does anyone know why they've chosen this hill? >> I don't think it matters. Um, but I do
have a question. So, a prior town meeting appropriated this money to the Hopkins project. So logistically, I I'm just curious how that would work to put an article like we are then
I I was trying to think about like is there a way to bring an article that acknowledges the concern of the community um but doesn't somehow remove the it's because we'd be nullifying a
previous vote. I just I I'm confused about how that's supposed to work logistically. >> I don't think it nullifies a previous vote. I It does of the school committee, but not of the town because the town voted for the Hopkins project.
The the original presentation did not include the loop road even as a driveway. Uh I think that if it went forward as a town meeting article, it would be a separate project. And I think that the funding source would,
you know, that's I I think the town really doesn't have a different funding source other than the money that's from within Hopkins. So, it sounds like the risk is not only that
we would delay work this summer, but what you're envisioning is that Nancy is that it could be that the money goes back into another bucket and then we don't not only do we not get it approved >> like
>> no. If the town votes to take that money and uses identifies the Hopkins money as the funding source, it wouldn't I don't envision that we would lose it. I don't envision that it would fail and I don't like I don't think that's the piece that would move me one way or
the other because I think there is more support for it than there are people against it and I think people would turn out for it. You're basically >> I am a little worried about turnout of parents because as far as I can tell sports have not been cancelled for that
day. >> I am a little concerned about the turnout of school age parents voters have >> and I hear that and I'm I'm not opposed to I know I'm expressing opposition but
I'm not opposed to it either way. I do think that if we're concerned that it's not going to get the the support at town meeting, then I think it's a mistake to do it. Like I I think if we're if we're thinking that the town is against this and it wouldn't clear town meeting,
I would have an issue with spending the money that way. Anyway, >> I don't have a sense of the town. My concern is is going back. How does that not
motivate someone to, you know, add an article to this warrant that's open for 30 days saying take the money and use it for something else. >> Somebody the the warrant is open. People can >> the warrant is open. People can add anything they want. I mean, that's
>> right. I just like >> it. it. The confusing thing when I tried to read up on this was how does it work to say that the Hopkins project budget is being
like we're reducing the budget of the Hopkins project and that 1.8 million is now in some unknown bucket. Um, and we're expecting that we're going to town meeting when there's when there are
legitimate, you know, challenging budgets for every department. And I just I'm trying to envision how this works logistically. And I I just >> Yep. And that would be something that would be it >> like I don't know what the look like.
That would be what happens to the money if we don't spend all the Hopkins money >> at the end of the project. >> Yeah. At the end of the at the end of the project, what is left over that is unspent u becomes rescended debt.
>> So basically it goes back to the >> we don't borrow it, right? >> We just don't borrow it. They they resend the debt for that. Yep. Okay. How are they going? How would they word this item in this special little
envelope as part of the meeting? Is it is it simply a that it it um is an article that permits the the use of money allocated for Hudson school to pave the road.
>> So I I tried to work like what an article would look like. Um I I wonder if people who are smarter than me at how this works have also done that and have a vision. But like I tried to figure out what it was. >> Tell me on Friday that she could work on
the wording with their attorney. >> Feel like if we're proposing a warrant article, we should be writing it. >> I think our attorney we would want our attorney to do it. >> And not that I mean I I really I I like
Elena a lot. I think she does a great job. Um and I'm sure the town attorney would also do a great job. But if we are proposing an article, I would expect that we would be responsible for it. And so I would expect us to be the ones that are drafting it. >> I agree.
>> And again, no um no intended criticism of our, you know, town manager who I think is doing a great job. Um >> I more to say if we're doing >> I appreciate your sensitivity and I agree with you entirely.
If that if that was the road that we were to go, I would say that it would be something that we should do ourselves. I mean, our have our people do it, not townside people. Well, both have agreed that this was an
appropriate use. I wonder if an advisory vote would be sufficient. Like an advisory vote >> um like something that's
a non-binding intending to provide guidance to the school committee which retains authority over the expenditure of previously appropriated funds in accordance with the applicable laws. So I I like the the thought behind that.
I think that we have to be careful though because I think that if we want to if we want to go forward with this one way or another. I don't think we want to ask for any kind of a a vote binding or not because I think if we go forward with an advisory and the town
does say no and then we go ahead and do it, I think that looks worse. Yeah, that's the thing you don't you don't want to happen is have the community
>> displeased with how we went about something. >> No, I know. And that's in theory why we're here. >> Yeah. um having this conversation and I I do that we've discussed it in public
many times. Um which is why it it is it is so hard and I understand why um the boards with whom we work very closely >> are maybe digging in their heels a little bit. Um, but I I do wish that
they had come forward to us at some point in the last few years when this had been being discussed. >> I I agree with that. I I wish that it the concerns had been brought forward earlier. I I do think not to say one or
the other, but the process has been different because it's an addition. and it doesn't have a building committee the way Elmwood does, which has highlighted different things along the way on its own, not kind of in within our meeting. So that I I I agree with you. I think
this has put us in a difficult position because it's come very late. Um, and we're kind of up against a a hard deadline that it could change the trajectory of the project. And I'm not saying I, you know,
I know I'm being difficult because I'm throwing a lot of different things up to think about. It's not I I I don't not support going forward with it. I just I want to make sure that we've considered all of the the different ramifications of either way.
>> Well, so you're talking about unintended consequences of us moving forward with something that I think makes sense. And I still support moving forward. >> And quite honestly, using budget threats as um as leverage in this is I don't
think appropriate. I think it's petty and it doesn't I think reflect how a town um should be operating. in our focus I think should really be on what's best for students the school and the greater community as well as their tax dollars which my experience with uh
building and renovation and construction is the further you kick it down the the road it's almost always more expensive so if there's consensus that and I maybe it's just anecdotal that everyone in town every board um feels it needs to be
done it should be done we can do it now we can do quick and we can worst case do it for the least amount of money, I'm fully supportive. And if people want to hold it against us and um you know hold budgets hostage because of it, I think that's petty and
inappropriate. >> I agree. It's petty and inappropriate. >> Chris, would you be willing to call them out for being petty and just >> Sure. I think I just did. >> Yeah, I think you do, too. >> I don't know. I I don't know. I don't
know who said that. I wasn't at the meeting, so I don't know who I'm directing that at. But >> yeah, >> whether it's the greater boards or multiple people, but >> if if it were to come up >> during budget season, >> um >> I don't I don't know how to keep my
mouth closed. So, I'm happy to >> True, Chris. >> Yeah, I'm happy about you. >> I struggled with that at the last meeting with the with the select board there. So, >> yeah, >> I I'm I'm with you on that. If I if I don't if I have more people hate me, I don't care.
>> Would it be inappropriate to to perhaps make the observation somebody has a bee in their bonnet? >> I I understand. I don't agree. I don't know that it's going to help us get through this >> no conversation. >> No. Um
>> I feel like I've put out everything that I I would want to make sure that we had considered. I don't feel like I there's a whole lot more. >> I I believe NY's is the most diplomatic approach. um whether
diplomacy serves us well in terms of putting out um something at the least amount of money, which is which is my greatest concern is given what's going on in our world.
>> How much more we will be paying for that driveway if we how long will we be putting it off, Susan? If we do it this way with the warrant article and stuff, >> well, like I said, depending on who is
awarded um the contract, a notice a notice to proceed that late could push it to 2027. Regardless, >> when are the contract when are the bids all due? So the change order that you agreed to
or approved >> was a budget number, >> right? >> So they've been securing bids and then you have to um what you call level because you know sometimes biders will come in, they'll carry some costs, some
will not carry those costs. So you have to level out those bids. We'll get we'll get more information as we move along, but but we're not quite there yet. But but you know, summer work, you know, they you know what it's like driving in
the summer with paving projects. They're all scrambling to line up their summer. So, >> you know, I I think even independent of what's going on in the world and rising oil prices, if you kick this if you kick it down the road, it's going to be more
expensive. Exactly. >> Or it virtually always is. And then add to that, you know, the the probability of if it's kicked down the road that the the rising oil prices will affect that even more.
I I just think it makes the most sense uh fiscally uh as as well as for the the what's best for the school, the project, the kids, the teachers, the buses. You know, I happen to live over by there. I walk my dog there a lot, so I'm over there a lot. And for years and years,
it's a disaster. The we potholes and the bumps and it's a mess. I I don't know anyone who wouldn't agree that it needs to be done. And we can do it now. We can do it quick and virtually with certainty that it'll be at the lowest price point possible.
To me, this is simple. >> If we wanted to defend that position, we we choose to just go forward with it as is. Is there a way at the town meeting to address what our
uh what our thinking was? And I think I think Chris said it very well. >> So this this would not be on town meeting. Basically your decision
would be um stated probably at your next school committee meeting. Okay. >> It's either a town meeting warrant article or it's not and there's no discussion. >> Okay. >> And the best we can do is a as a
statement at our next committee meeting. >> Correct. >> Something like that. Yep. And I I I would guess that probably we we've had a thorough enough discussion in public that we don't need to make a any kind of a lengthy statement, but just to say
this is what we're going to do and people are free to look back at what we said and what we considered that we considered alternatives and and why alternatives were not serving the best needs of the schools, the students, etc. Um >> is this meeting not public? Is this
>> it is public? Yeah, it's being recorded so it should be I I would imagine it would go up with our other >> um I think typically when we meet remotely they still get put up on the HC cam channel. >> They are it's live on Ham now. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So I mean isn't everyone can everyone >> if they choose to watch live or Yeah. >> Exactly. So I I don't think we need to go through it in depth. Just >> super the superintendent also helped us
draft a statement that we consider we might consider putting out as well. >> Is it a good statement? >> What is this? So just can we get just a high level of what is the
what is the intent of the statement? Like where is that what is it? What does it do? I guess >> it's basically rationalizing our decision. Um, do you want me to read? >> How long is it? If it's like three pages, I don't want you to read it.
>> No, it's four paragraphs. >> Okay. Well, it's fine to read. That's fine. >> Oh, we got an intro paragraph and a closing paragraph. Maybe the two center ones. >> Yes. Okay. Well, yeah. It starts off. The school committee appreciates the select board's decisions and community's
continued interest in the Hopkins school renovation project including loophole. We want to be clear about both our authority and responsibility on Massachusetts municipal law. Town meetings already appropriated funds for the school building project under wellestablished municipal finance project. Once funds are appropriated for
a specific capital project, the responsible body in this case, the school committee has the authority to manage those funds within the scope and purpose of that appropriation. Both town council and school committee council have reviewed the matter and agree that using remaining project funds to address the driveway falls within the original appropriation. This limes with the same
purpose principle that governs municipal expenditures. It's also important to consider the broader precedence as sets. Change orders are are standard necessary pro process of any public construction project. If each individual change, regardless of scale within the overall
project co scope, required a return to town meeting, it would significantly disrupt project timelines and undermine practical framework under which municipal capital projects are managed historically and legally. And it's how these projects are executed. From a stewardship standpoint, completing this work in summer 2026 represents the most
fiscally responsible path forward. Deferring the work could cost increased cost and extended known safety access concerns. We also make it clear this topic is not new and they go we go on to explain all the times it's been mentioned. We respect the role of town meeting and appropriating authority. However, these funds have been already
appropriated and the purpose remains within the scope and additional vote is not legally required. Our priorities act lawfully responsibly in the best interest of Hoffington. >> I like it. I think it basically reiterates it summarizes a lot of this conversation.
The only other thing I was wondering, we potentially maybe could bring something to a special town meeting that does set a threshold for additional change orders in the future. We could say then we could set it at,
you know, we could be in control of that setting versus >> another body imposing that on us >> in that thought would be >> maybe we could set it at $2 million. >> You know, that being a town bylaw, I'm
not sure that should >> it's a town bylaw. It's not up. >> Yeah, I'm not sure. That should just go to town meeting. >> It also could be amended on the floor to go to like 1.5 on our lake like >> would be the other risk of that, but
it is something we could pass along. >> Yeah. >> The the um charter review. So the problem with the charter review is that it's it's only reviewed every 10 years. And so putting things that are that kind of
granular in like the with a specific amount >> could be come come back to haunt the town is you know >> $2 million is a lot of money >> but it in 10 years it'll be a different
you know percent of what projects are whatever the threshold is. >> That's true. And it's easier bylaws can be reviewed annually. >> Okay. >> All right. Well, I I feel comfortable with where we are. Um I appreciate um
the opportunity to have had the conversation and to have considered um and to go into it fully on board with it and feeling like we're in a good space. Do we need to take any sort of official vote or is this good enough?
>> I feel like by consensus the default is the the vote we already took on that. Um I I think it's noteworthy if if you know nobody here is expressing dissent from the desire to move forward.
I when I raised my things, it wasn't to say I I wasn't in favor of it, but what rather I just wanted people to consider them. >> No, I I think it was valuable to to share your perspective, especially having worked with um some of these
other boards for a longer time than than I have. So, you have a more more depth to your experience. Um, I don't know if you wanted to have a vote to put our feelings on record. >> I don't need a vote to put our feelings
on record. I feel like I I vote I voted in favor of this to begin with. I wasn't >> looking to necessarily vote against it. I feel like the vote stands as the vote. I feel good about it, >> but I also feel good that we took the opportunity to consider the concerns
that other boards expressed. And still nobody's suggesting that we take a different course of action. >> Exactly. The conversation has always has been in support of I think moving forward. We've picked out a lot of the
pieces of it and looked at them and I think we've done a pretty thorough job at looking at all the the pieces of it. And I think that the the statement that you read tends to summarize a lot of
what Chris already saying even right >> so everyone's comfortable putting that statement out. >> Yes. >> Okay. Good. I don't know how we put it out but >> I I think it's well articulated. I don't
know if that if we want to put that out um as a press release or Evan if you want to include it in um something that goes out um in an superintendent update or what the best mechanism is for that.
But I I think >> yeah we can we could do either Nancy. We just sent one out today, the April newsletter. Um so but we could do >> we could do a statement uh or a press release um or we can put it in some other type of communication. But I do think uh sending it out in some format
is the right right decision >> and pop it up on the website in um some place visible >> on the school committee page maybe. >> Yeah. Well, in under the where the sometimes we put additional links
under the uh agenda and the that page. >> Yeah, I think that would be great. Not the registration popup that pops up every time I try to get to the change. >> Yeah, >> not there.
>> I will actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I probably feel like a press release makes more sense since it's coming from the school committee than a superintendent newsletter. But um >> yeah, >> we can work together on that. >> Uh well, so a press release, but still also put it I think it should still go out onto our website.
We can make sure the letter is signed by all five of us. >> Okay. >> Not physically signed, but >> signed in blood. >> Our names at the bottom.
>> Okay, great. I appreciate. I I can tell you I also had a conversation with the select board about um the way we conduct ourselves as a board and they see us, you know,
the way we as a school committee um have respectful discussions as a positive aspect. >> Well, that's appreciated. you know, and I think we are able to to voice different opinions and disagree with one
another and with other boards and and still make it a positive mostly respectful. I mean, I I don't think we've really gone into disrespectful, but firm. I I was feeling a little firm last week.
>> And I think this like if nothing else, this is good feedback that even when something feels like it makes sense that it maybe we could have reached out directly
be any push back. we are proactive in the future if we have um any change or to be significant um whatever percentage that is um we can we can
with the other boards in town to reduce the risk of ever seeming like we're trying to cut any corners um because I don't think that was anyone's intention and being how often we meeting I don't think that we But I I understand that was the the
experience they had. I don't want to negate their so diplomatic, Jamie. Good girl. >> All right. So, I'd like to adjourn. I make motion to >> make a motion to adjurnn.
All right. All in favor? >> I do. Do we have to do a roll call? I think so. >> All right. Nancy, >> yes. >> Jamie, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> Susan, >> yes.
>> And I'm a yes. Thank you all for a great discussion tonight. >> Good night, everyone. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Bye. Bye.