all set all right so we'll go ahead and call the select board meeting to order for Tuesday March 18th 2025 all members are participating in the meeting are present in the meeting room the public has the options of attending in person here at town hall or
via Zoom using the link posted in this meeting's agenda this meeting is being recorded we'll begin with the pledge of allegiance please pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all so two weeks ago in this room it was about 10° now it feels like it's about 100
it's getting there it's still on um you know we do a lot of different things to serve on the select board and sometimes it gets in the way of our lives uh it's my understanding that Mrs rut Bush is having a birthday today or yesterday okay congratulations happy birthday happy birthday so it didn't
completely ruin your birthday dinner good okay um with that item number two on the agenda is the public forum anyone here for the public forum sir your name and address please ken Weissman 145 Ash Street i'd
like to begin today by complimenting the water sewer advisory board they have dug right into a deep subject they've been on the Zoom calls for the last two water resources commission meetings and have listened to the water resource staff present
their latest recommendation on an interbasin transfer that was before uh the commission they have read previous IBT decisions they've written a good recommendation that's in your packet tonight
i might be over pessimistic on the chances of getting the full amount from the MWR connection and maybe your consultants will make Hopkin a special case and break precedent with previous recent Water Resource
Commission decisions you've been getting the cliffnote version of conservation measures expected such as A36 water audits leak detection meter replacement etc during
my citizen speaking uh talks so almost none of their recommendations should be a surprise to the water and sewer commissioners i agree with your advisory board that the clock is ticking and moving towards getting
cleaner and more water should be pursued with vigor when you understand the lack of justification for the 2.7 million gallons a day request from the MWR I guess I would bet all five of you
won't support that number it didn't pass the first question of why when them when the uh at the when the MWR staff first heard about the request from Hopkin i'll give you a couple minutes on
this on a f future meeting last week I suggested that an article on additional engineering for the MWR connection be broadened to cover the event that the MWRC staff says that existing wells
are viable with treatment this engineering is not in the four corners of the proposed article i was told since that last your last meeting that this is DPW Director Kerry Reed's article and it's up to her to
change it i don't want to lose time if the Water Resources Commission staff believes that all or some of our wells are viable in basin sources and that is the key finding the Water Resources
Commission has to make in order for you to get an inner basin transfer oh and by the way the new yellow salt storage bins over at Fruit Street need much better hinges i've been over there twice and
the tops have blown away one time I put it on myself the the tops are pretty heavy kind of hard to get when they're there but maybe some type of hinge other than the plastic one will help there thank you very much thank you thank you
Ken anybody else please name and address please nicole Simpson 16 Ledgestone Drive um I'm a member of the Sustainable Green Committee um and I submitted an item to the consent agenda uh and it's also in
your pre-eread packet for approval of temporary yard sign placement on town property but I wanted to take a moment to tell you about the event and if it's okay um it has uh a couple slides associated with this so if you can pull those up um the Sustainable Green
Committee is planning an EV expo on Sunday April 27th from 1 to 4:00 at the high school parking lot local EV owners can sign up to bring vehicles to the event so that people curious about electric vehicles plug-in hybrid
vehicles and ebikes can see a variety of models in one place and ask questions directly to owners we currently have 15 types of vehicles signed up and hope to continue to sign up more we will also have a few sustainability related vendors there the event is partnered
with Sustainable Westboro Ashlin Sustainability Committee and the Upper Charles Climate Action Group um and if you can go to the next slide the reason this matters is that transportation contributes one-third of the carbon emissions in Hopkin evs have no tailpipe
emissions and overall much smaller carbon footprint by helping to answer questions and sharing all of the additional benefits of driving electric we can help more people to make more the more sustainable and healthier choice and the local data is optimistic every
year EVs make up a growing share of the vehicles in Hopkin i welcome your participation either as a visitor to learn more or to bring a vehicle yourself especially as Hopkin considers the zero emission vehicle policy for
municipal vehicles thank you thank you thank you anyone else okay seeing none we'll move on item number three is I'm sorry I was being polite
sorry oh we're sorry hi select people hi um I'm Amy Groves from Two College Street i'm chair of the Hopkin Democratic Town Committee u but I'm speaking on my own behalf i'm here to comment on the proposed Horribles parade last year I urged the select board to
approve a parade as long as it could be called a Fourth of July parade rather than a Horrible Parade i'm even more convinced this year that this is the right thing to do for Hopkin at a Fourth of July parade people can wear funny costumes bring their boats and floats and goats and whatever they
have express themselves as they see fit following the First Amendment people can poke fun at themselves or even poke fun at others if they really want to but the difference and I think this is a really important difference is that the overall theme of the event will be a positive one stressing things that we have in
common rather than things that divide us the Horopus parade has at times been fun in the past but clearly they it's been more fun for some people than for others so given the current climate it seems to be dividing our community more than uniting it members of the Hopington
Republican Town Committee approached Parks and Wreck this week asking for approval uh for another horribles parade this year parks and Wreck did a wise thing I think by kicking the matter upstairs to the select board um I imagine that this will be on a future select board agenda that's why you get
paid the big bucks right um just so everyone knows the meeting was covered by an independent article that came out I think yesterday um and Josh Gracetti in the IT department was able to furnish me with a replay of the meeting thank you Josh if you're up there um the Hopkin Democrats didn't discuss the
Horribles parade this year um but we did discuss it last year and I found that quite a few members were leaving town to celebrate the holiday with family or friends um elsewhere and a horrible parade wasn't really something that they wanted to participate in or even be in town for some of them um so it's
possible that after one or two really nice Fourth of July celebrations they might be induced to come back and celebrate the holiday in their own hometown which I think would be great um personally I'm not convinced that just adding another political party adding the Democrats to the mix will solve the central problem it really
should be something positive and something for the whole town most of which are unenrolled people anyway um and not run by political committees however I would be happy to add it to our agenda i will add it to the agenda for our monthly meeting next week and see what the committee feels i urge the
proposed sponsors to decouple themselves from a town political committee and above all I urge the select board to approve the parade only if it's a Fourth of July parade that the whole town can enjoy thank you for taking my comment thank you thank you anybody else yeah me
okay now they're coming fast we know moving on please uh Beth Malloy 190 Lumber Street um basically to to back up what Amy said I was at the parade last year and I was here last year asking you not to give them the permit for it i
find it strange that it's run by a political party yet it's insurance is through the Hopington Parks and Rex that didn't make any sense to me how that happened I don't know but unlike Amy I think it was kind of lame of them to kick it up to you they said no um and I
hope you say no as well because there were friends of mine that were picked apart on those um floats last year and I didn't appreciate it at all so I think we really do need to go to a Fourth of July type of thing and it shouldn't be run by any political party it should be
a committee set up to do just that parade that's it great thank you welcome Ed Harrow 8 Lane i didn't intend to speak to this but I want to go on record of saying that last year's Horrible Parade was fabulous
because you may recall that I was made Hopkinson's horrible man of the year congratulations thank you anybody else seeing none item number three on
the agenda please the consent agenda the select board will consider approving minutes of March 4th and 11th 2025 meetings accept a gift from of $250 from the Hopinson Garden Club to the public library to be used to the li to fund the library's seed bank temporary signs on
town property specific from the or from the sustainable green committee uh for an EV awareness event uh is on the consent agenda and as we just heard and a new employee the select board will consider affirming the town manager's appointment of William Ernst a heavy equipment operator for the department of
public works does anybody want to break anything out of the consent agenda hearing none does anybody want to make a motion to approve the consent agenda i move the motion to approve the consent agenda as written second we have a motion and a second any discussion on
the motion all those in favor please say I i i anyone opposed it's unanimous and so carries those four items all pass okay uh next up water sewer advisory board update our our colleagues
here all of them here everybody we need to have here okay we have one of our colleagues on Oh yeah yeah he's on Zoom one is on Zoom so we'll Paul Gallagher can we live him up we'll liven him up
i think I heard somebody out there paul can you hear us he's not here sorry he's still in the attendees not the panelist yet ben has to move there he comes uh you want to give it a couple minutes
why don't we do that since we're are a little early yes I I could hear you and I hope you can hear me oh now we can hear you okay welcome Paul thank you okay um so with that why don't we if you guys could introduce yourselves we'll do this a few times so that the town sees who the players are um you know it takes
about seven times for people to cop onto these things myself included um and then we'll get into uh what you want to talk about all right i'm uh I'm Rob Scott and I live at 28 Fruit Street uh Don Sland 205 Winter Street and both of us are on
the water sewer advisory board okay and Paul uh Paul Gallagher 38 Glen Road um currently out of town and joining by Zoom great okay please all right so uh Lance
did you guys get the the slides uh yes yeah ben can you bring those up all right so we've got a little bit of a slideshow here for you guys i'm just going to read the the titles for the most part cuz you don't need to get into the minutia underneath it i figure you guys would rather take some of the time
for questions and back and forth if you'd rather obviously the charge of the water sewer board is to help you guys make decisions based on what's best for the water and sewer portions of town and what needs to be done for our
infrastructure um the big thing right now is the MWR connection that we've all been talking about and how we need to talk about it you know expeditiously at this point because it needs to be addressed um we've had several meetings on it as everybody knows Hopkin needs a
permanent solution for its drinking quality drinking water quality and quantity not just the quality it's quantity as well um you know we've we've discussed these three viable alternatives that are on the next
slide um there's there's a bunch of options we haven't been able to 100% rule out any single one of them um we still need a lot of information and we're going to be spending some time with Carrie and from the DPW we're going
to be doing some a tour of a facility and stuff like that learning some more about what they're doing with the wastewater treatment plant and with uh well 6 and how they're dealing with PAS um we've uh we've got a lot of issues
dealing with MWR um with uh trying to come up with how much water we're actually asking for from them you know we've got 2.7 million gallons of water a day is what we're asking for from them right now we can't say that's
enough we can't say that's too much yet we're still working on it um the committee that Ken is on the water resource commission has a lot of rules that we need to um kind of adhere to and
bring our stuff in line so that we can you know even really make this a formal pledge to the MW for this um which is one of our biggest regulatory hurdles here um the Ashland thing is kind of
here nor there um then the next slide is the um how much water we're using you can see on it how they came up with that number it's it's extremely debatable extremely how we came up with that it
could be more than the 2.7 it could be less we need to do some more investigation into it um and maybe lean on some people from planning or land management with what they foresee buildouts being in town and water you
know needs being so um we're going to need full approval from the WRC for the um interbas we don't know we don't know whether we're going to be able to uh use
some of our current infrastructure or if we're going to have to abandon all of it we're still in that phase of trying to figure out what we can use whether we can do a hybrid system or we're solely based on MWR if we do do that connection so we don't another thing we don't have
an answer on what we're going to do with our existing infrastructure um there's been banter developed there's a chance that we might be able to get a portion of what we're asking for from MWR and take a portion from our own
stuff but again we still don't know that we won't know it until we really um satisfy the WRC and then we get into the nitty-gritty with MWR um development of all viable inbasin
sources is what Ken was talking about earlier what we've got in town here now what can we expand on what can we get out of what we've already got um we know that we're taxing what we have now um
very badly we're we're very very taxing on our existing wells now so there's a lot of elements to expanding what we're doing now um you know with needing more treatment plants needing more treatment systems needing
more people that know how to operate those situations um you know we have a we have a staff now in the water department that is um you know they're busy every day keeping up with what they're already doing but it's something to look
into but we won't know until we really divest into it uh implement all practical water conservation measures i believe Mr weiss Mantle's been talking to you guys about this for a while now pretty much all of
these are on the WRC thing that we have to comply with all of them if we want to get their blessing to be able to get the MWR interbasin connection moving um a lot of them are pretty simple a lot of them make a lot of
common sense and a couple of them are a little bit more difficult like getting our unaccounted for water down to 10% from the around 16% or so that we're at now um we're not alone in that you know pretty much every single town in
Massachusetts that has municipal water is in the same position we are it's it's really common um the uh the IMA with South Row should be reflected should be completed reflecting design uncertainty and Hopkin
wants and needs um Don maybe you can help me out with this here but I think our biggest thing with the IMA was we want to make sure that what we need in Hopkin is covered no more and no less we don't want to be doing extra things for other towns that we don't
need to do but we want to make sure we cover our basises yes uh well the IMA with with it's still a work in progress but the design uh is part of that effort of clarifying what we would be arranging
with uh Southboro U specifically um I I think there's parts of it that needs a little bit more legal review in terms of what obligation of payments but um there's also issues of location of pump pump location in the design so that's
part and tied to the IMA is our design but just Rob you're doing really well i would say uh in terms of uh the IMA um issue we want to expedite that as fast as possible uh as as it stands now uh
there's there's a need to to to reach the 100% uh review process and keep that fluid and um that's still being searched out by our committee you know we we're new where we've had like two meetings so
we've drilled in a lot on a lot of documents we haven't had a lot of interviews um we haven't had any uh council interviews um to hear some of the nitty-gritty on that but the overall gist of what Rob's been talking about is
is basically that uh the town is in need of this connection at in our judgment uh and in an expedited fashion one of the elements that's being brought up a lot currently is drought uh that's that's
another stress factor that can expedite anybody's need but drought is another environmental factor that would expedite any additional needs that if if we have capacity that's compromised but we we've what are we on
our third meeting third or fourth third or fourth meeting so we've drilled into as many documents as we have uh and Lance has kept us current uh so as best we can this is our summation there's a lot a lot to this the it's
there's a lot of uh stuff as Ken can attest to that I don't think when we all signed up for this we even knew existed um which is great cuz it's keeping us busy you know but well and Ken has been very helpful in terms of um you know you
know what will work with the uh WRC in terms of making our application fluid uh and and uh we're lucky to have Ken on that committee giving us tips you know the fact that we could do our draft with them and they could work our details out
so that it isn't a do or die presentation uh we've gotten tips like that that we're learning uh you know the bureaucratic side of the issue um so we're still a work in progress but that's our summation would be what what
you're going to get that's where we're at now so the last slide is just our summary to re review the assumptions behind the the 2.7 million gallons a day that we're talking about now um engage with the water resource commission staff
which includes Ken um by sharing the sections of the interbasin transfer application as soon as possible and then complete the negotiation and execution of the proposed IMA with Southboro so that's the course of action
and that's where we're at okay um so I've been trying to figure out when I should recuse myself i think now's the moment we really need you you haven't gone really down the path of MWR conversation a lot but I think that
intermunicipal agreement with Southboro includes connecting to the MWR system right mhm and my company has a contract with the NWR for something wholly different so I need to recuse myself but I really appreciate the information and I'll let my colleagues take it from here
for the next [Music] uh I don't know 10 minutes or so okay if I start banging on the door over there you know what I'm doing thank you okay question
Joe yeah so thank you guys i know as as like a new board it's a lot to take on you guys have been meeting a lot to get kind of get up to speed with this and make this presentation so it's greatly appreciated um I I have a lot of questions kind of like going backwards it's been a couple months since I've
been involved in any of this um you know when we talk about and I know Mr wise Mantle's talked about this a lot like getting up to you know par to be even be accepted or apply um when we went through the costs on that first slide were those costs built into any of those
options for what we need to do to get to the like the acceptable level those additional costs uh no on that slide that's just the that's just the cost to do those projects themselves that's not to get us in compliance to ask for you
know the permission to go into the MWR did we get an estimate on on that what that would cost no because a lot of it is daily is handled daily by the water department that you know it's a lot of just uh good practices that they're they're trying to
work on they are going to need some money um you know grants and stuff like that i know there's been talk of like water meters and stuff like that that I'm sure they're going to talk to you about that's a part of it but that's also stuff that they would be doing anyway as part of their usual you know care of the
system yep okay i I remember the meters and stuff and I think I believe I see Carrie in the back i think there was like a meter shortage for a while it was hard to get meters so that you know that's something that's been dragged out for a long time to um you know not the
water department's fault um but with that you know what type of time frame like we need to figure out what type of time frame we're looking at for those things um the intermunicipal agreement you know from my perspective like I get why we need to do that to you know to start moving forward with some of the
the plans with Southboro and the connection but we're also far from like a final decision so that so like I'm a little just you know again this isn't like my specialty but that just process-wise is you know a challenge for me to understand like all right so we're
in you know design or draft stage of the connection but we've got to you know put an agreement together with Southboro um I get why Southboro wants us to do that they want us to you know pay them southboro is not my concern we got to take care of Hopkin so that figuring out
how to do that process-wise is you know something I'd like and I'll look for Elaine and Lance's advice on how we approach that i get I get the whole timing of it but so one of the big reasons why we're pushing is because this is like a 5 to sevenyear project is what they're talking about we're already
at least two into it um and SelfPro saying they want to do a peer review of the whole process and what they're going to need but that's not going to start am I correct until we agree to the IMA uh yeah I believe and Carrie may know better than myself there's a 30% um
design review uh built into the IMA they want to be able to review the plan before it can essentially design can proceed any further so at this we're kind of at a a standstill at this point between Southboro needing to review the 30% design and us needing to go forward
so that's kind of partly why the IMA may need to be worked out is that 30% an industry standard like um generally speaking I mean you know sometimes 2550 um so I mean it's it can vary industry but generally I mean it's an early phase stage of the plan okay so we're a little
bit concerned that after we we accept the IMA that it could get stalled again at at that point in South Bros's hands and we're just trying to keep everything moving it's not like we're trying to rush cuz feel the same way you do but it's just there's so many aspects to it
that if we delay on one it'll just push the other ones even further that that's our only concern yeah totally i wasn't implying that by the way i just know clarification so I appreciate that Rob all right i'm good for now okay so one thing I wanted to bring up and I think
it's in your slides when we have installed a temporary PAS solution on well 6 but it looks like it's going to run out in July of 2027 so that's only 27 yes 27 it's only two years away and this is not going to be done until well after that so yeah so we're going to have to do some temporary stop gap
measures I guess to get us through uh it's it's our understanding that that could be extended um uh we're not the only ones in that ca category and um I I think PAS is still a moving target for a lot of communities
uh but that's part of the reason we're pushing for this uh expedition personality is that the PAS dialogue has put a lot of other communities on on the same need um a lot of towns are in with contaminated uh groundwater so we're not
the only ones in this in this scenario there's there's a lineup and that extension is um it's not written in stone but I I think politically it is viable as long as we're showing like positive progress like we're we're
moving towards a permanent solution but um will our solution stop working is what I mean u like the filter will fill the filter vessels that we have might fill up and we might have to replace them so it's another cost we're going to have to incur yes yes okay and then the
assumptions behind the 2.7 7 million gallons per day on your slide it said 100% of the residents could then be connected that was part of the assumption but my understanding was that we were not going to plan to connect 100% of residents just um the residents that are along the route from our
facilities to South Burrow so it so that number is derived from if we were to connect 100% it's not saying that we're going to that's why we're saying we don't know if that number is accurate it could be a lot less it could be a little
bit more we don't know so we need to That's why I was saying earlier I think it might help for us at one of our meetings to maybe talk to like planning or land management of what they realistically see going forward for the town like how much buildout really is
there left you know okay and then the monthly metering I think that's a really great idea i think we've just not been able to do it before but I know a lot of residents um since we only get the bills every 6 months you might have a leaky toilet for you know 5 months and not know it till you get the bill and you realize how you're using too much water
so it would really be a benefit for everybody for water conf conservation to see exactly when you're something's going wrong with your bill so there is some cool new meter technology out there that um I don't know if we're working on it in this town or not i know other towns have worked on it that will um
actually send an alert to people if they're finding between houses um there's a larger than usual usage then and you'll get some sort of a notification um and the the the meter technologies come a little bit further in the last
couple years and I know that um another neighboring town was already using that okay and then about the IMA in Southboro like I think we do have to be cognizant i heard what Joe said about we have to look out for us but like Southboro does not have to let us connect to the MWR
and if we're not going to get out through Southboro we have to find another way so I really think we do need to move forward with that and just like our constituents come and yell at us about a variety of issues South Burough constituents come to them and yell at them about why are we tearing up our town to build water for Hopkin like we
have to we have to negotiate this um that will work out for both towns and they did even have a town meeting they weren't sure they would do it till they had a town meeting vote to agree that they would help out their neighbors that they felt an obligation and I think we have a little obligation here too i think it's not just one-sided no their
their website reflects that they they've been pretty transparent to their residents with their website and uh they have a whole question and answer type answers so they're very active on this it's not a back burner yeah and then um let's see something else on that
line the oh just like if we were to to if we were to break something for them like if we start using too much water pressure and then they get low water pressure we definitely have to fix that because they're doing us a favor by letting us connect so I think that's all I had for
comments sure uh first of all thank you um to the committee to all of you for the wonderful work it's a great start i know just started but looking at the work it looks like you had jumped right in and did extensive analysis and research that's exactly the purpose so thank you
for doing that thank you for volunteering we very much need it it also shows that um how complex and elaborate this uh is and is going to be uh and critical of course for all uh good reasons so I'm really glad that you
know we started and look forward to your future works on this and uh suggestions and guidance like we are getting today in terms of the um items I think this this makes sense this is you know again pretty elaborate and you can go and you
will go more deep I'm sure uh a couple of things that uh I wanted to understand a little bit one is that um for the 2.7 MGD is that um attached to any cost or any design considerations so in other
words I like how you are deciphering those and we want to get more accurate and more predictable um measure there for sure but for example say it's two or if it's three would there be a significant impact of any kind on the
design cost or agreements that we should be aware of um uh how much is that that would be one question to understand so we can orchestrate it accordingly so I'll pause and then I have two other questions so we don't know the answer to
that question yet on cost but we do know that the greater the ask from us the more difficult it's going to be for us to to get the blessings of the WRC and the MWR got it yeah then we want to be more
accurate so we on the favorable bucket and it makes sense if it's for 100% that means it's 40% over right there cuz yeah we 40% on private wealth uh so that's helpful I think we'll need that analysis now the second one is in terms of the
overall timeline I uh like how you are looking at those and the dependencies uh for future and I'm sure you'll have it in your future conversations as well it would be good for us to educate ourselves as well is plan ahead and you know connect the dots a little better if
we can have a comprehensive kind of plan and approach to from here to WRC approval to actual implementation town vote all of these so we have it on our radar and making sure we are orchestrating all the moving parts
dependencies and prepare ourselves or we can help you um prepare uh for other nuances that may come uh around us so something even at a sketch level would be very helpful okay so the letter that
we submitted the other day is a fairly you know 100 foot view of it um so if you I know myself I read that letter like three times cuz there's a ton in it um but there's there's a pretty good outline of the path forward but we do
need a little bit more and u maybe we can work on making that a little more streamlined no thank you and that's a great start again and has quite a bit and I'm really excited to see that it's coming together uh and also showing that you know tons to do of course which is
uh obvious now in terms of the action items and the recommendations that you have uh is there uh and I am glad that Lance and Elaine are um working together very well and connected on all the town
aspect of things anything imminent that you'd need from us from the town to get the IMA going or to make sure we add the uh you know explanation of the clause that you have identified that might be a
little more aminable things of that s well I I was just curious how the two boards are communicating uh there was a stall between in in the review with the two towns and then there was a change in leadership with the boards So I'm I'm
hoping that that could be clarified in terms of the communication between your board and the Southboro board if you've had that do you have a liaison um because um we would just have to independently go to each board instead of uh seeing the sensitivities that you
guys have so we could do that but um I just was curious do you have a liaison with with the South Burrow that's when I was when this first came up I was the chair and I was the leazison on that year but do we have a leazison on this year so it has been each chair okay
along and now um can't use the chair so uh one of this one of the members has to be the the point person so can we put that on a future agenda item to choose a new chair okay or leazison and uh that would help for your issues as well
because we're getting the Hopkin side uh we're not getting the Southboro side of you know just what we can read uh but in terms of the boards uh it seems they're very active on this front still judging by their website and um I haven't made
any personal calls to their board but um I didn't want to ruffle feathers yet okay so I think the only thing that sticks out to me really is that we need the the next thing uh Carrie was talking to us about mainly was we need to
forward the approval of to get the design to 50% correct wasn't that the next step so we have funding currently to get the design to I believe up to 50% at this time but it
has to get approved up to 50 50% so the the there is an article now on the town uh meeting warrant to potentially uh get the funding the remainder of the way to 100% and that is um you know contingent upon fulfilling that South Pom IMA so we
can get their approval to move forward you know before we can get even get to the 50% so if we can get them to review the 30% then we can move to the 50% with our existing funding and then if this extra funding gets approved at town meeting um then we would be able to move forward of the 100% design potentially
um but you know we obviously that funding wouldn't be utilized right away it's just you know I think part of the reason and Car's intention as it was explained to me with including it in the town meeting was you know we don't want to have to wait a whole other year um you know if if we get to that point and we need the funding to progress the
design we don't want have to wait till the next town meeting to make that request at that time great and we just have one W MWR connection or um article at town meeting right the supplemental connection work okay so anyway I'm definitely in favor of
moving forward as fast as you know as we can because it's important that we all have clean water i was going to say thank you again and the action items that we have i'm glad you're connected and you're on top let's crank these along and any way we can help let us
know but you have the items and you and I'm sure with K's help can move things forward i just want to thank the board they've uh been very attent of the issue they met you know they've met every two weeks consistently it's been actually five meetings now so I appreciate all the hard work uh all all three members
have put into this and uh they've been asking a lot of great questions time flies when you're having fun awesome keep up the good work thank you thank you could I just make a brief comment it's It's Paul sorry I've had my hand up for a few moments
um so just to answer uh uh Mr man's question about uh kind of what do we need the select board to do um I think on just going to our three actions on the
um on the calculation of the future demand I I think it would be good if if the select board asked um I'm not quite sure which department in town but you know maybe the town start with the town
manager's office just to confirm that those assumptions of all private wells connecting to the uh uh uh to the public system etc are the basis on which we want to to calculate or ask and if so
great if not then probably now is a good time to um uh to refine those assumptions then on our second recommendation I think it would be good in your role as
uh water commissioners to um uh ask the DPW to begin preparing these drafts of the key um application documents to WRC
for the interbasin transfer and when you go through I believe that when the engineer the our consulting engineer goes through that analysis in the correct format it will be very clarifying in terms of the fine details
of the design and uh you know which water source or water sources we want to to use going forward and then on the third one on the IMA you know besides reinitiating contact with
Hopkinington uh the document is just not in condition to be signed at the moment it's a it's a draft and there's an opportunity right now to make sure that the um that it reflects what Hopkin
really wants and uh for example in terms of the future billing arrangements and the future arrangements for funding capital replacement uh and uh also I think it would be
prudent to be a little less dogmatic in in that IMA uh you know given that the design is only at 30% and given that we've got this um we've got this uh approval marathon to to get
through for the interbas and transfer uh let's acknowledge that there's the possibility that the volume could change uh that we're asking for uh south mains to convey to us and with that uh some of the design elements could change so th
those are the the three things that that you know or the things that I would ask the select board to consider doing with with respect to each of those three recommended actions thank you you're all taking notes
thank you Paul anyone else want to say anything no okay i want to thank you gentlemen it's nice to see we're moving forward on this issue to some extent uh we spent a lot of time trying to figure out why it
happened with our fire academy here and working on foam and you know all that stuff over the years and uh I think we should still be researching that to some extent i know representative Arena D rosa has some information on that and he
was working with a woman from another town who was trying to get money from more money from the state because of the fire problem uh so it is something we we also should keep our eye on not not to stop moving forward with this at all but
it's still out there that's all and um I I'm so happy to see progress being made thank you very much for your time and energy okay thank you oh good thank you great
it's all yours guys handling that um next up on the agenda item number five uh is a public forum for proposed general bylaw amendments lane do you want to introduce this one please sure
um so each year the select board uh offers time for proponents of general bylaw amendments to come and explain what they're all about and answer a few questions so first this evening we have an article um submitted by the finance
department and we have CJ Pette here to talk about a request for a revolving fund hi CJ hello everybody all right so the finance is requesting um a revolving fund um so it' be an amendment to our bylaw chapter 13
um for a revolving account for our department we haven't had one before obviously so this is something new um the reason for it um I'll go into a little bit but first I'll start with funding so right now uh what we'd fund
the revolving account through um would be our collection of municipal lean certificate fees um which our office processes and our demand fees um so once bills are over a certain point past due a demand fees added um right now both of
those fees are just dumped into the general fund um and then become free cash um but we're hoping to kind of pull that apart um to use towards uh a new budget software um it's an option that we're kind of
investigating to hopefully defer increasing our operational budget um by using a revolving fund instead of asking for an increase to our operational budget um it'd also be used um for any
unexpected costs related to billing collection and office supplies uh that we couldn't charge to our operational budget for any reason um I did break down a little bit of our sources of funding um so our average collection for
mutants lean certificates is about $20,000 a year um and then currently the demand fee is $10,000 a year however that could change as we're also asking to increase demand fees this year at town meeting um so we can't really
predict that without knowing the answer to that question yet okay anything else that's it elaine your thoughts on this particular request uh so
um it does offer an opportunity to to fund the budget software which I think we talked about at their budget presentation um I know that grants and so forth in that regard and hope to hope to get some funding there as well um but it's just another way to try to
creatively fund some things through the collection of fees okay anybody have any questions comments nothing particular i think this is a good idea and if we can creatively
manage it um how much um on an ongoing basis do you see the additional cost for this the operational cost for the the budget software um so we've looked at a few different options we're not sure exactly of pricing yet um I'd say on
average somewhere between 30 and 50,000 a year but we we don't have an exact number yet um we went through some demos last year but we're we're going to have to retouch on those um it's really a benefit for the entire
town um this would tremendously help because it would reduce the burden of the spreadsheets and reaching out individually emails and all those right right and there'd be more digit um digital forms um and graphs that would
you know help um it'd be better for the public for viewing the budget as well there's a lot of different opportunities um to make it more digital more user friendly um more visible for the public um as well as I think it would help the
organization of the process too um right now everything's very manual um you know I I don't touch the budget personally obviously Kyla does um but I've seen her work it and it's it's it's pretty difficult right now without having a
formal software in place thank you what's miss the frontier oh I I think that this is an idea that time has come and um I just would like to know what sort of things will you be charging for
municipal lean certificate the what kind of things yeah so the only two fees that we'd be putting into the revolving fund would be the municipal lean certificates um and the demand fees so that's the only two things that would be pulled into uh the revolving fund and there is
a cap on this of 100,000 right yep uh no I I do you have did you happen to do any survey do you know other towns that do this around i know that there are some finance offices that have a revolving fund but I
couldn't say specifically a percentage okay thank you very much what's up Joe i'm good thanks for walking through it CJ yeah thanks i think my questions pretty much been answered i I do support this idea and I think it's really important
to have good quality budgeting software that's easy for the staff to use easy to explain things to the public and visualizations so if this is a path to do that that sounds like a good plan seems logical to me we don't need to vote it this evening because it's a town meeting article but we're just listening
and if anyone has any comments questions they can ask right does anyone have any comments questions on this at this part of the public forum okay thank you very much thank you thank you good night right and next we have uh Connor Degan
uh who has proposed an article regarding the date and time of annual town meeting connor is on Zoom if I'm sorry Connor is on Zoom connor's on Zoom mr degan are you out there can you hear us there he comes come in
how do you see him there and we don't see him up there because you're actually on the Zoom link they're in there's panelists that we can all see and attendees that not everyone can see great hi Connor connor please go ahead join you in person today
had to run home to do baby duties um so uh this proposal is to look at some of the barriers that we've faced and complaints that we at town hall have heard regarding town meeting and the timing of town meeting and finding ways
that we can make the whole process more efficient and more open to everyone in the community uh I some of the things that I've heard and we've seen from some surveys that we've done over the course
of the last few years show that uh there's an actual issue with some people who have uh disabilities able to get there at certain times in the evening and of course they actually have to attend um I know that we've seen a
number of people especially our seniors who've said they either can't drive at night or they can't find a way to get a ride uh because they can't get buses that go that late the other piece of it being that it was a huge hurdle when we first started talking about having uh
child care at town meetings because you can't have child care going until 11:00 p.m on a school night so this is something where we could realistically look at starting earlier in the morning on a Saturday uh with minimal impact to
existing procedures that we have in place and in doing so uh potentially also keeping a rhythm going so that we're not breaking up after a 4-h hour period we could go for a few more hours and kind of keep our our cadence going
uh with the hope of then also increasing the the speed of the meeting obviously you know some of this is hopeful but you know I think that when we've heard enough of this discussion from uh from our constituents it's important to at
least have the conversation i did have a conversation as well with Amy earlier today about uh potentially changing some of the language uh to make it a more you know a more workable day instead of just
on um on the first Saturday in May uh because there was some concerns about that weekend from her so what I said is I'm totally open to changing it the goal is to have uh minimal impact and have it
still set so part of it is in setting it so that you know when it's going to appear each year that helps when setting the budget process uh obviously you know if we don't know when town meeting is going to be then we also don't know when uh a lot of the budget deadlines are
going to be and so to keep that from having a negative impact on the town manager's office and the CFO's office that's why I kind of wrote it in to be so close but if we want to find some method
of changing that or you know whatever would work better i mean the the goal that I have is just to have a version that we can at least feel comfortable that if if it does pass because people want that at town meeting then we can live with it
okay anything else Mrs rb not for me thank you but welcome any questions or comments you know I think this is a great a great moment where we have you know the five of you as well as Elaine here who can really
talk to you know the impacts this will have on the budget process in general you know there's risks with putting it earlier there's risks with putting it later that's why you know I tried to keep it as close as we could amy yep so I appreciated speaking with
Connor about this and um so I I share the goals of making town meeting more accessible to a wider group of people and more diverse group of people um my concern was that it is such a busy time of year so my suggestion was that we might change it to something like town meeting instead of right now it's specifically 7:00 p.m on the first
Monday in May and this was another specific date that maybe we should say town meeting shall begin no later than the 7th of May each year with the exact date and time to be set by the select board when we do the budget calendar in the fall and the reason being that this would um this would allow us to try out
a Saturday town meeting if if this goes through next year and maybe even for a couple years see how it goes and if it works out um we could continue and if it doesn't we have the flexibility of switching back to a Monday evening or something else or even a different time whereas if we specifically say you know
exact time of day it's going to start just like they do being a little bit more flexible and seeing which really will bring more people okay Joe um no questions thanks Connor very interested to see how you know people discuss this one at town meeting i feel like Absolutely it's going to be an
interesting one thank you certainly mary Joe I I think it's a it's a great idea to try and um we can always put it on town meeting next year if it's not working out and change it for the following year back to
Monday um and I I think we really have to do it and give it a chance mr going on um along the same lines I think it's a creative good idea to try and see how it goes one thing would be
that uh and sounds like you're very prepared to have some of the details thought out so we can kind of give a broader picture and u kind of the landscape of the land to the town people but I would love to try it and see how it goes thank you Shul yeah I think that
you know it's important that's why it's great to have conversations like this where we can we can talk about it and we can figure out how we can make this stuff better and ready for prime time in front of the town meeting so y I um I like what Amy's suggesting
about the language i don't think we want to paint ourselves into a corner and like have to be passing articles year after year to set town meeting for the following year so I'd like to see a little bit more flexibility around how we would do this this year uh but we can talk about that on the floor and I'm sure there would be a couple of
amendments thrown around um so but in general what's the harm in trying we did a Saturday town meeting during co a couple of them yeah at the stadium 10 ft apart from everybody just bizarro world we got through it and we had enough people there i think um I can tell you
this Connor that child of yours someday is going to play soccer baseball go to robotics class on Saturday morning and a lot of other things as all parents know weekends are not yours in about three more years so just forget that idea yeah uh so unfortunately I I know that it's
just a case of you know it I can't when I'm working with trying to support my constituents just think of myself as much as it's perfectly convenient for me to do it on a week night and it doesn't impact my schedule all that much it's um
it's something where I hear real uh accessibility complaints about and I think that's concerning about the risk of disenfranchising a whole population of voters i think you'll get a lot of feedback from a lot of parents though about Saturdays too opposite of what you're saying now because you know we're
working on a constituent base that doesn't want to be out at night there's a lot of folks that don't want to be there Saturday morning because they're busy with other stuff too so it'll be one of these things that we'll learn from and I think it's a great idea to bring it to town meeting let's have that conversation i I agreed 100% yeah that
brings me up a a question now if we're going to have it on a Saturday that means it's going to be rather long a period on Saturday and you know we're talking about parents and kids playing soccer and all that sort of thing and I
I foresee parents wanting to switch off and and how long are people going to be able to sign up for town meeting or can can they leave after a point and have the other parent take over or uh and and
then are we going to provide some sort of sustenance um while people are there for so many hours we cross that so just like now um you know if two parents decide that you
know it's dinner time for their family and a lot of them end up having to choose between only one person can go to town meeting uh you know the that's where the other benefit comes in of being able to offer uh child care for at
least some parents obviously there's going to be some who have activities that's just the reality of the world that's uh you know and I was talking with Amy about this you know some people when you're faced with is your priority going to town meeting or is it going to support your kids then you're might just
say no my kids are more important than that for me and that's you know that's a decision that each person makes but there are people with with actual disabilities who can't make that decision yeah okay we will cross the bridge when we get to it i think it'll
be an interesting conversation at town meeting is there anyone from the public here that would like to speak to this particular article mr howard you want to speak to it or are you leaving i think he's next on the agenda isn't he you have two minutes sir i have a great
book on town meeting historical looking back into the 20s and food was a feature at town meeting and people would bring stuff i realize we didn't have the concerns we have today about the board of health
being nervous about things being cooked and places that might not be sanitary but how many people would show up for the idea of free food thank you for your input thank you Ed how many people would how many people
would show up too with just the ability of having maybe some food trucks um you know being able to say we're going to have options for lunch that you can leave i know what uh Westboro does uh Saturday you know start early in the morning meeting and they don't break for
lunch but they have you know optional you can go and step out and they have food in another room I think it is and you can go to like the cafeteria and you can get something to eat and then you when you're done eating you can pop back over to the meeting okay great everybody
good miss Lazarus another one uh next is uh citizen petition uh for uh engine compression brakes oh the citizen to not use them
i believe the citizen petition is Mr harrell yes it is so this grew out of an event in Woodville back in January which I'm sure you all know about the scrap metal truck that
rolled over nearly in front of the Woodville Post Office discing its contents on the side of the road and if you go to HCAM you can watch the video of it being writed because I happened to be there to film
that and an outgrowth of that was I heard a lot of complaints from people in Woodville about truck noise speed and specifically Jake brakes and Jake brake is a compression brake and the engine makes more noise i can
talk about it in nauseium if you want in the fall it just so happened so last fall before this I was out to Sutton and I happened to see a sign in Sutton that said no Jake breaks so I thought to myself well if Sutton can have a no
Jakebreak law why can't Hopkin so I know that Massachusetts no but 13 states have rules and regulations about Jake breaks that doesn't mean they prohibit their use they have rules and regulations about it massachusetts has 10 towns that
have a no Jakebreak rule on the morning of the 6th of March I was taking a walk out to the Whiteall Conservation Area to get the the uh camera we have a camera out there open Space has a camera out there i was going
out to get the card because it had some cool pictures on it that I wanted to print and heard a truck using a Jake break starting someplace near the boat ramp i mean you know you're standing there and you're listening by your ears you can't I can't say for sure exactly where it
was but we were on the George Adams Trail it was to our left i heard it apply the Jake brake multiple times as it went through town there's no need for a truck to be using a Jake break in the middle of Woodville there's no need for a truck to be using
a Jake break out in front of town hall where I've heard them apply there's no need for a truck driver to be using a Jake break in the front of Main Street Service so from that I thought hey let's see what happens so I copied um the
bylaw from Sutton with Connor's help refined it and so that's what we got okay great interesting idea and I see those signs out and about as I move around Massachusetts for sure mr manan any questions comments u would it just
for my understanding would it require any major um sign changes along the paths that or the streets and some traffic regulation so so you would have to put signs up and you'd probably need to put them up at
the main roads in the town you wouldn't be putting them up on every side street but at the at the West Brotown line at the South Brotown line Milford Town line stuff like that thank you all set yep there's the front well this isn't a topic that I'm really
well verssed in i I I want to ask you would a would a dump truck have these kind of brakes it could it could okay and so we have businesses in town that run large Mhm trucks and
things and they do go on some side streets not too many but it's because it's really difficult to get from some places to like 495 without going on one street and etc um how would this affect them how would this affect these business just means that they have to
use the right foot on the brake pedal more have to use the right right foot on the brake pedal most people break with their right foot we have a couple brake systems and does this make a Is this one of those that makes that screeching noise when they go to stop it's been
likened to a jackhammer it's been likened to a machine gun it's a very loud pulsating noise allow and and and if you want an explanation how a Jake break works I'll
do my best to explain it we can save that for town meeting so you don't you don't you don't want the Buster Katon story either then okay we good for now y Mr clark um thanks Ed for bringing this up uh so this would be um monitored and
then you know any fines would be enforced by the police department yes is that correct have you talked with them about this i have not talked with the police department about this no okay i think it would be a good thing to just run it by the chief and get support okay thank you i will do that amy I
think it's a good idea to try this i have seen the signs in other towns um this is not a money article though so there's not any funding for installing signs yet so I guess I would recommend that you talk to the DPW too and even if it passes they might not have signs for another year because it's not budgeted
okay I can do that too any Sorry all right go ahead i'm sorry one more question is this the kind of break do you have to hear it how would you know a vehicle had this you would hear it you have to hear it yes you know the sound you just can't
imagine you've heard this sound before everyone's heard this sound i don't know uh anybody from the public here want to comment on this particular idea we have the board of health nurse rushing to the microphone taking off the board of health nurse hat
and putting on the resident of Hockington hat got it um I I think based on my experience living here that the places that Mr um Harrow was referring all of these spots are places that have
a little bit of an incline and a decline but they also have a very clearly posted speed limit of 25 miles an hour so if you are truly adhering to that speed there is no need for a Jake break and then especially in Woodville there are
some sections that as we know with the recent overturn of the truck there's a very steep hill and a curve and if you're coming down too quickly people can't get out of their driveway so in the sense that yes there is no way
you can miss the sound of a Jake break once you've heard it it does sound like a machine gun kind of at 5:30 in the morning not going to say how I know but if the speed limit is enforced then it shouldn't that there should be no need
for the Jake brake because you are able to downshift and even with it a dump truck and use your regular brake now I can see the need for that in other areas like you know maybe a faster speed zone
but these are all spaces that have a lot it's thickly settled and the speed limit and the um safety should be maintained within the existing laws great thank you for that public comment anybody else have any input they'd like to share hang
on a second anybody online by chance no okay mr har real quick so the one comment I want to make is that a Jake break was invented um this is a Buster Keaton story i'm not going to go into the whole thing right now because diesels do not provide
deceleration like a gasoline vehicle does because of the nature of the way they work so when you downshift in a diesel you do not get much engine braking interesting okay great all right I think we got a good feel for that one
now when I went to the Whiteall Conservation Area to take pictures I have a bunch of pictures if you'd like to see pictures of what the critters are that we've got in the Whiteall Conservation Area they're on the way to the library right now but if you want to take a look no we can't do that right now we can certainly jump over to the library and check it out at some point
soon but thank you okay Miss Lazarus next is an article put forth by the Council on Aging so Jessica Fitch may be on Zoom oh yes she is is Jessica out there
she's coming over i'm sorry she's moving from the one column to the next so on shortly all right thank you can you all hear me hi Jessica yeah hi so um we have an article that is um a pretty
straightforward article we have not updated um our section of the council on aging bylaws in the town charter in probably conservatively 30 or 40 years so really um what we are
recommending are really just updates to modernize um our current or to modernize to meet our current um council on aging so the most of this is um we worked with Elaine and we
worked with legal to make sure we had every everything in order all of our ducks in a row um the real big change that we're doing this year is we have consistently operated a sevenperson
board with a twoperson alternate um however for as long as I've been at the COA as long as Amy has been there um we have operated as if we are a nine member board um we require you know five people for a quorum um and there's always been
a lot of confusion over what what can an associate do what can't they do are they a voting member are they not so really the big change in this article is we are going to move from a sevenperson board with two alternates to just a nine
member board um and give everybody equal voting rights equal opportunity to participate in um in the meeting okay thank you Mrs ridbush thoughts questions uh no this sounds like um good changes and I'm glad they took the time
to review their bylaws cler no questions thank you all right Joe i was looking at this and I a little bit surprised that you you just got rid of the whole old
article is there anything being held over into this article so what we are doing um this is the article that is going to be part become eventually part of the town bylaws and the town charter
um we are then as a COA board looking at our internal policies because it is much easier for our council on aging board to vote on board policies it does not
require that they go to town charter so this article is really kind of the the required information the stuff that we shouldn't have to come back in a year in two years in 3 years to to change any of it um barring you know major changes in
in uh state policies um and then we can make the changes that we feel have the potential to require a vote for example um you know we don't need to stipulate in here
that our meeting is held the specific day it is each month we can put that into our Council on Aging policies and procedures that our Council on Aging board approves and then if we feel that we need to change that we can so it
gives us a little more leeway without having to come back um next year or you know two years from now to the select board to ask us to vote again at town meeting okay thank you okay Mr man i
have no question i think the uh it makes sense and the rational also makes sense thank you very much jessica is there any members of the public that would like to comment or ask questions about this part article there's no one left on No one online okay I think we're all set thank you
very much thank you Elaine anyone else that's it that's it okay with that we'll move to item number six uh the 66 Fruit Street lease and pilot agreement the Hopkin Scout Leaders
Association uh Mr because Angie if you want to join us and Elaine if you would introduce the article please and the action in front of the board potential action in front of the board tonight all right so before the board this evening is a um a draft uh lease and pilot
agreement uh between the town and the state leaders association um it's uh several years in the making uh town meeting voted to authorize the leasing of this uh portion of 66 Fruit Street uh 2017 uh there was an RFP after that and
then a second RFP in 2023 um and it took a while to negotiate the lease uh but in general there's 25 acres of parcel 8 that wraps around the Bay Path lease uh that would be leased to the scouts um this parcel was uh in the master plan
for the property it was undesated uses so it was available for some future future lease opportunity um and uh the rent would be a dollar a year and the pilot would be a dollar a year and it's a 99-year lease one of my questions was going to be is
the pilot overburdensome but I don't think that's the case glad to hear that okay anything else no do you guys want to introduce yourselves and just talk for a minute about what we're doing here sure i'm Karen Bograd and I am currently
president of the Hopkin Scout Leaders Association as well as I have been a member of all the units for I think more than 20 years at this point um and just I've just been involved in supporting the youth in the town as you know a
member of all their different activities so it would be really great to see this finally come true um Jerry Kazangen no longer a board member of the uh HSLA but still involved hoping to see this uh project through i
suspect you were playing attorney a little bit with this process a smidge we thank you uh I think this is a great We've been talking about this forever i mean Fruit Street parcel master plan back in 2008 or whatever it was had
something for the scouts in there and so I think we've it's great it's great okay uh so with that background anybody have any questions or thoughts mr manan um no questions i'm glad it's u happening um
hopefully and uh thanks for what you do and love the work that the scouts do as well the frontier hi this this is a very good well-written document um and I know we used to have land behind EMC off of
South Street and we sold it for a camp in New Hampshire and our scouts were supposed to be going there all the time did anybody know what happened to that oh yes we do okay it was actually in
Vermont um okay near Brattleboro and we were never able to gain favorable tax status in the state of Vermont or in the town of Brattleboro or Gilman Gilmington I think
or Guilford Gil Guilford Guilford um because we were not a local troop and they said there's nothing you can do for us as a board you know they wouldn't have us do service projects or anything like that um so and
that went all the way up to the Supreme Court in Vermont so there's a lot of um documentation out there on that case and we lost and basically the revenue we could bring in from the property was about $2 to $3,000 a year and the taxes
were always $10,000 a year so it was just a matter of time before you know we were going to be in the red so we wound up having to divest that in 2014 so and then we've been searching here to help our membership with a lot
of their needs for meeting space and areas to do activities oh this is Vermont's loss would have been good for open space even you know that's a shame um but I
think that this is a good idea i think the time has come i know my kids went to the behind EMC a lot winter camping and biblacking and all that stuff and uh we need we need it here and we need now
it's at home again nice so Mhm mr cler no questions hope to see this move forward at town meeting right no questions for me either i really like that camp McGregor in Vermont but I understand you know financially it didn't work out so I'm really glad after all this time we can finally have this
go forward okay uh Elaine this was before town meeting before that makes sense and it passed at that time correct so we are already
authorized to do the vote so we can finalize it tonight and not go back again to town meeting yes right was there any is there any statute of limitations on that town meeting vote or anything because it was a while ago no okay all right and do you have a
recommendation for us about this matter tonight i recommend awarding the the lease to the SC Association all right uh I think it's great karen I know you've been doing this forever with the scouts and all kinds of other things so thank you for all that and Jerry and I used to be neighbors i know how
involved he was in scouting so this is I think a really nice nice asset for the community does anybody want to make a motion please off the document i'd be happy to make a motion to approve and award the lease of 25 acres at 66 Fruit Street to the Hopkins and Scout Leaders Association approve a payment in le of
taxes agreement as negotiated with the Hopkins and Scout Leaders Association and to authorize the town manager to sign the lease second we have a motion by Miss Ritterbush and a second by Mr manan for the scout lease any discussion on the motion
all those in favor please say I i any opposed it's unanimous and so carries congratulations this was great congratulations thank you i want to thank the scouts for all their patience and everything as we've worked through all these details over the years
thank you and thank you for all your help as well all right yeah that has been a long time in coming i can hear Ron Clark in my ear right now okay item number seven annual town meeting the select board will consider reviewing the draft town meeting warrant
and motions including a discussion of a resolution regarding encouraging PAS testing of private wells and take positions on warrant articles ms lazarus what would you like us to do this evening uh so this evening um I don't know if you had a chance to look through
the warrant some more um we've keep adding some details to the motions uh as we as we get those details um and there are some articles that um you can uh probably vote on a recommendation this evening as well things that
are maybe ready for your recommendation that are so that's these first six in our document why don't we start with those um I think we've talked about all these plenty of times we never taken a vote to recommend or not recommend correct
correct and some of them some of them still need dollar amounts and and so forth so whenever but the general concept of recommended or not recommended we can do correct correct so if you could give us those maybe one at a time and while we've talked about this before many a time if we don't need to
deliberate again let's not let's just do it okay if there's a question or there's someone's not clear about something then we can get into it but I'd rather just keep it going because we have kind of I don't think there's one that we're going to not recommend based on what I've heard in the past right so if you want
All right so in the document this evening for that has the motions in it there's a a list here excellent so it's acceptance of town reports acceptance of town reports is um every
year it's article one is the list so how about if we do this let's put a standing motion on the floor right now to appro and and tell me if this is in order i move the select board moves to recommend passage of this article at the town
meeting annual town meeting and then we're just going to all look at each other and say yes that'll then that one passes and we'll go to the next one and the next one so somebody want to make that standing motion i move to recommend approval or
disapproval or recommend no action on the following town meeting articles as we discuss and go through is there a second should we make it not recommend or disapprove but um the default recommend I think right yeah it
shouldn't be or the recommend is the default is that Yeah let's just have it be recommend and then uh if it's not recommend it's not recommended we just vote it down pass is not recommended okay so the default is recommend and if there's no if it's no then it's no so
there's a motion on the table Mr manan is there a second second second okay so now we'll go through them acceptance of town reports that's a yes everybody yes yes yes okay we recommend peg access and cable related funding yes yes everybody good
chapter 90 highway funds yes home rule petition economic development special revenue account yes we've talked about that one many a time that's the new entity that tax for the meals tax resend authorized but voided capital projects
yes yes yes elaine the ones that are in dark as usual we're saying are ready for recommendation tonight tonight and others minimum y but not all these necessarily the moderator will come to
us and say do you recommend or not these are all the ones that you'll be required to make record these are the required ones the ones in bold or all of these all of them okay got it thank you lisa Farm former Center School yes yes okay supplemental appropriations and transfers for F2025
yes yes unpaid bills from prior fiscal years yes yes okay rescend unauthorized rescend authorized but unissued debt yes yes was that that big number that Kylo was talking about a couple weeks ago the two million bucks
or something i'm not sure if that will be a separate article or incorporated into other other motions and that's different than the one we just recommended the voided capital projects i guess it is different okay okay weighted one is the um that has to do
with the uh four DPW articles that unusual we had insufficient got it excess bond premium i think that one's going to come off the warrant this excess bond premium we don't need that one so so we're going to scratch that one and there's not a recommendation in
the box okay um set the salary of elected officials that's the town clerk salary aka Connor yes and we we do have a number in there so yes we have a number yes okay and we had that in the budget fy26 operating budget
i don't know if you want to hold off on I would hold off on this one folks because appropriations has to do their thing yeah we have to respect their process and we don't want to jump the gun is that okay yeah makes sense we just say no for now we just leave it at blown for right now leave it blank yeah we're going to pass that so we're going
to pass on that one for now but we will do that before town meeting did we say yes on the select elected official salary yes okay because we have the number now okay we said yes on elected officials passing on operating budget FY26 revolving funds spending limits so
for all those revolving funds like the one we discussed this evening we have to set an annual spending limit that's not a budget thing that's just a it's administrative i think that's I'm a yes on that everybody yes yes transfer to other postemployment oped benefits liability trust fund yes yes yes
we can still tweak that number but we're going to recommend something there right so that's a yes transfer general stabilization fund yes everybody good with that so what what doesn't get used goes into stabilization
that's two this is from there's two of them well we just did two that was two we just did two yeah yeah so we transferred to the stabilization fund excess funds that's the right thing to do that's the savings account right that's what gives us our crazy bond rating crazy good bond rating transfer
transfer from the stabilization fund so we can take that one off the warrant if we're not going to use it but appropriation is still in its Yeah I I would leave this one out for right now too let's pass on that for right now i would likely think that that will not happen based on everything we've done
today with the budget or to date with the budget but let's just not paint ourselves into a corner transfer to the capital expense stabilization fund yes yes yes yes transfer from the capital expense stabilization fund same i think
we should pass on that one for right now everybody agree that's a pass transfer to the school special education reserve fund yes in the budget pay as you go capital expenses should we wait until we we don't have recommendations yet from We don't have
all the recommendations in CIC yet and there's quite a list there and there's a bunch of money there um we went through a lot of that but yeah if capital improvements hasn't finalized there i think we should respect that process let's pass on that for
now water department vehicle W3 perhaps the same for these some of these other capital we don't have all the CIC yeah let's pass on that everybody okay with passing on that water vehicle replacement one the W1 pass on that
townwide water main flushing program is that another one of those capital items we should hold off on okay we'll pass that that's really a capital item though okay grove Street tank design yeah pass on that water department V
task vehicle W9 we're going to pass on that supplemental appropriations for somebody else want to read that please for the MWR connection design work you guys decide okay so is that been recommended recommendations yet i
believe they did recommend yeah I I would like to go ahead with that if everyone's comfortable it's also part of the CIC list or Yes so we're waiting for all of those anyways right what' you say it's part of the CIC recommendation they did recommend it they recommended it so I'm comfortable voting yes tonight
unless Oh they recommended okay cc did all right um I'll be yes yes yeah then I'm Yes I have a question i I mean I' I've read this and as I was reading it in in the list of things all of these vehicles and
stuff were there for the water department but W9 doesn't appear till after in the article it doesn't appear on the list is there a reason for that they add they added another vehicle
and what I was reading they had two vehicles the flushing program the tank and the and then at the bottom this other vehicle replacement which I didn't see and since we passed on that huh since we passed that should be We're
passing on it now but it's got to come we already did pass on it but that means we're going to talk about it at a future meeting yeah okay appropriations so we've passed on that one and you guys are on this next one you four are on this next one i just had we we voted yes yeah we had three yes on that yes is
everybody a yes on the one i'm not going to say three of us voted yes which is a majority three of us voted on supplemental appropriation for MW connection design work i I saw that you okay we need the design work very much
i'll guess on that so I'm back in Fruit Street wastewater treatment facility screen system replacement that's a capital as well right pass from now sewer main replacement design pass adaptive playground at the Marathon
Elementary School still outstanding with CIC uh it is they have not recommended community preservation funds community preservation funds So that's the article that uh puts the
money in the various buckets of So that yes on that okay yes yes everybody yes on that community preservation recommendations are they done with the recommendation that's a long list of projects um probably should review those yeah i'd like to go through them all first there's a lot this year pass on
that for now accept the gift of land at zero John Matthew Road yes yes it's my old neighborhood gift of land Franklin Road yes yes just confirming tell me recommends yes on both of those yes temporary easement at 32 Chestn Street
for sidewalk construction yes yes recommended i just wonder why we need an easement for one address well I don't know actually I don't know if CICs recommended this but it is a I putting in a whole sidewalk passing this one till we get It's associated with a project that town meeting already
approved it's just a temporary easement to go with they just need to do construction just like every year okay I know what a construction town funded legal review of 500 acre land transfer is this a citizens petition and there isn't a dollar amount associated with it i have no idea what it is i'm going to
pass myself yeah pass okay so with that we had a standing motion to approve recommendation for a bunch of things that say yes on it and the ones that we passed on we have not either recommended or waiting
for voted against it we just haven't done it yet does everybody agree yep yep all right so we'll close that for now you good Elaine and I'll give you this okay [Music] [Applause]
um and then meeting 38 articles if you could give that to a L thank you okay so also on this agenda item we were just going to discuss the PAS article so Sean McAuliff is here to talk about the
PAS as we discussed at the last meeting okay a little bit more background please so um there's a resolution uh that the select board submitted that's on the the warrant and the resolution is regarding uh encouraging people to test their private wells for PAS contamination and
so at the last meeting um the board thought it would make sense to hear some more information about uh private well testing for PAS and the ramifications of that from the health department and so Sean McAuliff is talk about that got it
everybody good yep yep sean please you all have copies of the um the uh which section is it DP presentation oh so I think
Yeah perfect no I just Where on the warrant is it what's the title i I know we read it last time so last the last Okay thank you so if you if you go to page 17 it's the um it's in the middle of the document it
says mass D's role um POS released to the environment it's just and I'll roll right through this mass D's role PAS releases to the environment yeah so um
so quick background the D has been um adding some nuance to the their their policy on how they're going to handle PAS and private wells they make it clear that they don't have any oversight over private wells however if
you identify a release um by having a release condition in your private well that's when they step in so uh points that you had made Brian was
that if someone identifies um uh POS at a concentration greater than 20 parts per trillion or and I'll get into 90 parts per trillion but anything over 20 parts per trillion you trigger a
reporting requirement and if you move to so would be page 20 you can see the notification criteria where it says uh PAS over 20 um you have um oh it's it
says where it says 2-hour notification requirement um that is for anything over 90 parts per trillion so were you to um identify over 90 parts per trillion you would have a 2-hour notification requirement to the mass
D if you have over 20 U parts per trillion and you're within a uh protective radius of a water supply or within 500 ft of another private water supply well you have a 72-hour notice uh
requirement on the following page the D is for the first time being quite clear sampling a private well may trigger a legal notification obligation on the part of the homeowner if the result is
equal to or greater than the um reportable concentration GW1 um reportable concentration it's kind of redundant but so by definition any home that has a private well on it would fall um into
the RC GW1 reportable concentration and the mass D is saying just below you know it's what they would like us to do is discuss the potential implications before sampling occurs because the last thing we would want and you know you had
brought this up at the u at the last select board meeting is if I identify 25 parts per trillion in my well now I have a reporting requirement um the D will
assign a um a um release um tracking number to my property i will have obligations to the easiest obligation is to meet um or to address this requirement by installing a point of entry treatment system and and then
you'll be under you'll be held under a regulatory obligation to mitigate this relief situation so you know one of my concerns is that you know there are people living on the edge and if now they have got an order to um install a
$10,000 treatment system it might it might you know crush them um what you do have is you've got me and several other uh residents in town that are environmental consultants so what we've
been successful in doing to date is when we've identified a release situation there has been one where a resident identified a concentration over 20 I was able to step in with the Department of Environmental Protection and get them
assigned a downgrade in property status which uh releases them from um really any remedial responsibilities so they have a stay on from having to do any remedial work and in this case that
stay um really kept you know this family in their home um but it's we did a we did a similar thing with the YMCA um and they have a John Granian property status and we've worked some other
uh we worked through some other issues with other land owners in town to um help them with the uh with the D but um you know I think this speaks to what we really need to do is provide them
guidance on um what um when they should sample um you know we've been talking you know kicking around possibly developing like a heat map where if you're in like a green area and you're interested in
evaluating um you know your water quality or whether or not your well has PAS in it um then if you're in a green area you should be okay um out of the the data
that I've that D has shared with me you know with that ex one exception um where they had an exceedence the other six wells were all um below 10 parts per trillion so um and what the D has been
doing is you know asking residents around these um known contamination issues if they would volunteer to have the DP come in and do the testing um what I've asked is
that if you're going to do that I would like you to extend um you know a downgrade in property uh status to these residents so it doesn't put them into financial jeopardy because at the end of the day the last thing we want to do
with our residents is to um introduce um a condition and a reportable condition at the time of sale that could negatively impact um the value of their property um I mean this is what I used
to do you know as a consultant for big industry and um and and it's it's it's why I've got a working relationship with the D so I think I think we have a way forward where we can develop
um a good educ educational tool um where we can provide residents some good solid advice on what to do um and you know I'm going to work with the D to figure out you know any other
ways that I can get them in to do um analysis for free um and no risk to residents involved yeah and not trigger yeah and and they're clear to say right at the bottom with that page let's back up
though this is an article on town meetings warrant correct correct and what is the article question before town meeting it's a resolution to encourage people to uh test for PES who's sponsoring the article the select board who's presenting this article
member of the board right we have to figure that out because whoever presents this is going to confuse the hell out of the members of town meeting right this is not an easy topic to get your head around and it's going
to be very difficult to concisely put forward a message about why we're having this resolution in front of town meeting if there's any article we have at risk sponsoring and going in front of town meeting this is the one and it's only not only it's a resolution that's
not a $125 million budget that's easy this is going to be the thing that's going to be a nightmare so how are we going to do that you got to think about that there's time to work on the wording and your strategy in this regard work on the wording and I I was talking to Lance
and Elaine briefly is that taking out you know some of the sensitive and probably you know more complex areas like testing or self- testing and make it more of a um awareness resolution for
you know near future because this is an evolving area and laws are changing and all that so there might be variety of complexity in the discussion and I agree with you this might you know become more sensitive than u needs to be and defeat
the original purpose which is you know bring awareness so let's see how we can verbally and I would look for you know all of all three of your advice and uh crafting how can we take those out make it you know more of an awareness simple
awareness education with pound support resolution so at least everyone is aware that this is something to keep on their radar and start looking into seeking help as needed but no pressure no complexity no legal or real estate value
related um challenges that would be my recommendation okay Lance yes sir how well verssed are you on this topic um moderately uh you know I've uh have involvement from the town engineer side i also oversaw the some
health programs i think Sean is probably more knowledgeable in certain aspects of this but I do have some awareness i think it'd be really good for the town to get to know you at town meeting a little bit and I'm thinking you might be the person it would be really good with Shawn standing up there and maybe Mr
manan kind of in there in the wings with you to present some of these ideas if if I could try to summarize right now Shahadul um it seems like the general intent is as the town is moving forward with trying to find a solution towards our PAS problem as public water suppliers we're we're dealing with that
front we don't want to leave behind the other portion of our community that is on private wells so just this is more kind of acting I think in heart as an affirmation of support to those private well owners saying we haven't forgotten about you you know we want to see how we can better equip you to make informed
decisions about your own risk about you know potential contamination in the community of PAS so how do we do that in a way that protects your liability but informs you and equips you i mean I've had a phone call from a resident asking about you know he's a private well owner and you know asking about PAS in the
community and it's right now there's information everywhere it's but it's hard for the average person to digest and like pull it together in a meaningful way to assess their own personal risk so if we can take that information as a town and put it in a more easily digestible accessible way for your average resident to like you
know make a determination of what they want to do um I think that you know it's a reasonable thing for us to do potentially so um but the you know par it down a little bit that was really well said write it down got something um I I think
one of the first things we were talking about was we were going to consult with council to see if there was any liability to the town in doing this did we get that paired down what we have now okay to something that's legal perfect it may not be advisable but it's legal
okay did they say that yeah so I think we we had talked about you know just pairing it down something more gentle with more awareness um advice then I guess like and and Sean thank you again for walking through this like um
your whole point about you know if someone comes over 20 parts per trillion you know downgrading them so that they don't have to remediate do you see that as a repeatable option like if say a bunch of people jump in the boat and do this testing and we got people popping
up do you see any concerns with that as long as I can keep the D on my side i mean I like I've got a very good working relationship with them i mean I've I've been I work for them you want to put the backs of the Hopington real estate
market or the real estate market on your back Sean like that's that's a big it is a$5 billion dollar number right now i I mean I got here because this is this you know I used to do this for the Egan
family and and Cru you know that's that was that's what I did that was my specialty and and it and what we did on the corporate side is like I develop you know my job was to look at laws and
figure out workarounds so so if Amy tested her well or wanted her well tested say no well for me so you could do you could ask Joe to uh to to send the lab data in and
then the lab would run this the analysis report it to that sounds like a conspiracy to me i mean this but this is what we used to do and then it removed the reporting that's not what you're created this whole not recommending but
this is this is the point is that that we created these schemes to help protect our you know corporations and and at the end of the day like I wouldn't want the civil you know that kind of you know
that criminal uh risk you know assigned to any people so to your point it is a very tricky topic I don't know that we want it dependent on one person interacting with D no that's that's what I'm saying like carry
an awful lot of weight and not every resident will go to the to the board of health either and and also like what if the first dozen people over the next few years it goes through no problem and then it stops after that right like that's a to me that's a very realistic thing and then who's on the hook they're
like well why' everyone else get downgraded and I didn't and and you need to be you know downgradient from a release site so you know there are there are sites or there there are areas in
town where the DP and I have agreed that um that the John the use of the John gradient property status was appropriate i want to go back to the count town council they paired it down and then what was the other thing they said at the end of
that sentence well I guess they're they're worried about the impact of of adopting something that may mislead people so the can of worms seems to be getting bigger as we sit here i guess what I'm thinking the items one
four and five seem not very controversial encouraging testing offering some town support um and but the uh the no legal disclosure requirements from the town and no legal obligation from the town i think it's a little misleading people might think but
there are state requirements for disclosure and remediation so I don't want them to read this and think oh there's no requirement and then find out later that there is and and if you report to me and it's above 20 then you have an obligation yeah but but what's
the gain for the community to put this before town meeting here we have eight or nine people in a room we're thinking it through and talking calmly and civily and you know we're you put it in front of town meeting and the microphones are open and
all hell can break loose and we have zero control over what happens in there and what is the gain for the community by even doing this well I think that the people on wells feel heard and listen you know that we're listening to them and I think Shadel brought it up last time too we don't want people to not
test and maybe continue drinking their water that is contam contaminated at least if they test they could buy a bottled water or maybe there's a simple solution to their all i totally agree why does it have to go to town meeting it'd be a great project well it's
non-binding so it doesn't have to i'm just putting my I'm fast forwarding to May 5th at 9:00 at night and this article comes up and all hell breaks loose and everyone starts screaming at us what the hell is this thing going on here we're going to be there for 3 hours the town's going to get all energized they're going to get all confused and
what's going to be the gain yeah I agree on the noise of course I think the main gain is um not in a negative way but in a positive way to bring attention for everyone that's the main gain although plenty of potential if it goes the other way then again defeats the purpose so
something to think about too i agree it's just tough because obviously the intent is is the right thing right you know giving giving people comfort and testing and stuff but when it's coming from the town that comes as advice and that advice comes with responsibility
and if we aren't you know rock solid on the advice that we're giving it it's it's it's concerning to me and like one of the things that the there's another issue that hasn't been really discussed
by the D so I I've been drinking MWR water for over 30 years um and I know that I have u 7.6 6 parts per billion in my blood um
so if the 7.6 parts per billion didn't come from MW water where did it come from and and that is your food your clothes so that is the major driver in the risk so to me water is um it's
really the it's really on public health the D and other state agencies to really start talking about how the water isn't our true driver it's really um our food
supply yeah it's coming elsewhere um the warrant's closed correct so the only thing we could do right now is we either recommend the um de sorry the declaration or the what's the term the resolution
resolution or we recommend and take no action or you can remove it still we can still remove it yes mhm but you know maybe with the understanding that we we can still you know promote you know what people should be doing with public awareness
um information for private well owners um continue with this because the problem's not going away right but I don't think that's my point i totally agree with everything everyone's concerned about town meeting is not going to change that
and we're just going to create a storm at town meeting that's not going to I don't see the gain so is there another mechanism to accomplish you know what we want to accomplish I guess to make people feel heard and continue to provide resources we can certainly
invite you know a group of people to come speak with us at a select board meeting and their private well owners and their concerns about PAS and what can town do or not do about it and we can have that dialogue here in a controlled environment where we can have you know stay focused on the issues that people want to talk about that'll turn
into a whole other thing over there we'll be talking about real estate values more than anything else i'm I'm having a flashback like a nightmare to title five when title 5 first came out and people couldn't
afford it and they had to do this that and the other thing and the town loan them the money when they sold the the home or or they had to make payments and we had to set up just just like the sewer betterments the title five we had
to set it up like a betterment if people couldn't afford it etc and uh you know these people are on their own there's there's nothing here it it's it's not a it's not a town thing like Title 5 was we made people change
to that and the sewer you had to hook into the sewer for your 2,000 3,000 5,000 depending on what part you were and we had to set up cards and when when people sold their property that had to be paid first and in the meantime every year in
their taxes they they could they paid a certain amount off um and I I think we need to do more study on this we need to know how many private wells there are that could be affected and so how many
people could we have to do something for uh and help out or and then someone going to be able to take it on themselves like a lot of people did their own Title 5 which which was great but um it's a it's a we don't know how much
money it's going to cost to clean up the worst of these and it's going to vary by property we know something like that we really can't make a decision and I mean about all we can do is put this out at out on our desk at town meeting and let
people take it so am I the only one that sees this going in the wrong direction on a town meeting floor or is everyone else understand i I mean um I don't think we need an article i think we just need to information i think at a minimum you
know we would we've got time before town meeting so we could always discuss it again but I'm certainly not comfortable moving forward with it as an article right now could we wait till the next meeting or or or should I don't I don't know yeah no I was just thinking um Lance do you
want to take a crack at it inoculate it the way we're discussing and make it more uh you know resolution for awareness sure and see how it looks if we all think that is more you know consumable and less or least
controversial uh we might go for it otherwise I wouldn't you know mind pulling it off either because again I don't want it to be a controversy that would defeat the purpose right then we'll have to find other way to Yeah I think it would be a big distraction to what we're actually
trying to accomplish which is getting factual information out for people to understand town is just not the place for factual information that people understand i'm joking a little bit but you know let's just put something out let them take it it's not part of the town we could
probably have a handout we could ask the moderator if we could have a little presentation at the beginning like I remember when they were kind of gearing up to build the library even though they didn't have a library article on the meeting warrant they did come introduce the concept so everybody was made aware and knew that it would be coming in
future years so I don't know if we it'd be the moderator's decision if we could have a That's a good idea yeah why don't we do this let's table it for now i think there's general consensus that there's cons concern about what might happen and we may only hurt the cause not help it uh let's table it for now
and we'll come back to it okay just thank you thank you guys for both being here and helping us it's Thank you thanks for all the resourc anything else i think that was it right for Tommy mhm okay item number eight on the agenda is the town manager report
just a few things uh regarding the Main Street Quarter project um the first phase of Comcast's work uh pulling the coax cable into the new underground infrastructure should be completed by March 15th which has passed um there's still a large amount of work uh left for them to complete verizon will start its
work once Comcast has completed the work um Amarella will assist Comcast and Verizon with extending the new underground conduits into buildings and existing utility poles located between the police station and Ash Street will be removed by Verizon and they may remove the poles as the work progresses
or remove them all at once uh as the work is completed and there are no new uh town position vacancies to report at this meeting okay anybody have questions comments no I was looking at your or sorry if it
if I may yeah um the in the chart here about it's taking that long to hire when we've um approved it to post and then it gets posted the next week and it's two or three months before we can get someone in place that sounds and some positions are harder to fill than others
so the hiring market is tight I guess okay anybody else oh good all settling yes theison reports Mr man um not much i spoke to the library about their
resolution or about their warrant they're going to come I think on the 8th um so we'll discuss more uh but nothing nothing else at this time mr fier uh I've been talking to Dy
Farader and she's keep me up to date on what the marathon committee's progress that they're making for the marathon so that's good and the MWRTA meeting is the 31st Monday the 31st and I have let them know that I
will be going to that and um that's all I've got right now mr clark no updates right now um I attended the uh or the MAPC uh I guess it was the spring meeting to vote
on their budget and meet the new staff that are coming on and anyway they need a quorum for every town so I go on even though it's in the middle of the in the middle of the day but anyways but they voted their um their budget and moved forward and then um let's see the Oh and
then Shay Dola and both attended some of the ifar dinners in town we got invited to three of them this year it's amazing but anyway it's very nice and welcoming and it's good to just to learn about the other cultures that we have in our new and the new um I didn't go to the one at the new mosque because it was a night I couldn't make it but um it's it's really
nice to meet our residents and property owners okay um future board agenda items item number 10 in the uh agenda i think I'm going to have to get glasses i'm get close to this paper every week
um we've ticked off several of these some of these are still hanging here because they're not quite done and we know certain reasons why um we added one I think last week or two weeks ago to talk about a process to change speed limits that we'll try and get to here soon cuz I know it's on a lot of folks
minds um are there any others that people would want to add to future board agenda items yeah we discussed this tonight that we should select a new select board liaison for the IMA agreement with Southboro since uh our chair cannot do that anymore select board
liaison for that entity okay got it anything else should we ask the police department to give us their uh impression on uh changing the speed limits what they think they should be that's part of that
process we would sure process okay yeah and they'll have an opinion on it i know uh-huh i did i went down this path before years ago anyone else can we remove the water sewer board update there we did that tonight yep yes
we have ticked some stuff off take those off and get some other things on all right um with that uh that concludes our agenda for this evening uh the chair entertain a motion
to adjurnn mr chair I move to adjourn the meeting second all those in favor please say I i any oppose so carries thank you all have a good night thank you