##VIDEO ID:_UZm51HQbj8## public hearing notice for one second um we're gonna do Chamberlain Street first whatever you'd like oh Chairman's perogative I like that okay uh the competent board of appeals will hold the public service for additional information please email the CBA h.gov call the departmental Grand use planning and permit at 8497 9745 or check the online meeting calendar and agenda for the meeting at Hop j.gov this leading legal notice is also posted on Massachusetts newspapers public association mnpa website at massu notices org John coutino chair and clerk regarding 2512 okay so is um royan and Joanne are you here representing yourself or do you have councel we are representing ourselves wonderful could you uh tell us what you want to do so we'd like to add a garage onto the house um and uh right now the house is was built in 1964 so the house is 40t from the street we'd like to put the garage uh even with the uh house as far as the distance from the street uh it's all the houses were pretty much built at the same time on the street so there all about the same distance they all have garages and they're all even with the house so aesthetically it would be consistent with the other houses on the street okay um I'm just trying to bring up your stuff right now is do we have um is Mike here or Chris or who here from um you have uh your yourself Arnold myself Sean Dan and James I don't see anybody else but maybe I'm missing somebody is anybody else here that I didn't see so you have James Arnold myself and you are full-time in so you have Dan or Sean is that correct okay so Dan you want Dan you you you you try and squirt out of all of these uh let's see let's bring you in on one of these now you try and you try and have it easy all the time just from the gallery seats you're in problem all right you're in okay okay because yeah we have one lawyer so we so so we can we can use Sean for the for another one okay sorry Sean Mike you're here today can you um can you bring us the uh the inspectional services point view on this good evening Mr kho how are you very good thank you for coming you're welcome so I just want to make sure that I have the right plan in my packet here it looks to me like the applicant Roy and Joan Rector 19 Chamberlain Street they're proposing to put a two-story garage and the the proposed structure appears to me that it's 50 foot 1 inch from Chamberlain Street uh no that we we had sent in an another plan the architect had drawn up two and the uh the plan that we had sent in uh today after being notified was 40 feet and it's it's a one story okay so there's a there's a there's a difference in my plan but if it's if it's 40 feet then obviously we're the same intention is here uh the frontage in the RB zone is um the front set back 50 feet and you're going to need relief so um the plan that I have is incorrect but I can I I can I can see what you're trying to do here and um it's pretty straightforward it looks like the house has 41 feet 9 in is that correct car yeah uh yes okay so and the other side of the house your setbacks like 43 feet one inch you got plenty of room on that side yes yep is um the D it doesn't show the driveway on on this plan but is that is the entrance to the the house and the driveway part of that part of the plan to come in on that side of the house the there is the driveway is already pretty much in front of the proposed garage okay so it would just come back from the the driveway as it is now okay it looks like he's he's all set with his lot coverage and um pretty straightforward in my eyes so I turn it back over to the chair thank you excellent so um and so basically what you're telling me is inspectional Services really has no uh objections to this that other than other than the the numbers themselves I'm sorry John you cut out for a minute I said in in inspectional Services has really no objections other than the other than the the exact numbers themselves that's correct great great that makes this that makes that makes this a lot easier because now if you said there there was there some wires or trees or you know you know and then we can find out if there are any AB buts or anything else that that that may be objecting okay great so that that that's that makes it a lot easier for us thank you very much okay are there any questions from uh from any of the members to either um inspectional Services um Mike or uh or the applicant M Mr chair I have a couple of questions um sure uh one question is uh is the current plan um increasing the non-conformity is uh as far as the setbacks go the two setbacks that are uh uh non-conforming with the present zoning law it it wouldn't well actually honor the way that I see it because of the angle of the house where it's 41 on the corner where that're they're starting it and 43 the other they probably will be increasing the non-conformity by about uh 12 inches on 11 inches if you if if I'm just doing the the the math in my head correctly but I I think that that that's that's di Minimus is that what uh Mike do do do you agree with that Mr chair yes so the plan that I have it appears to be 41 foot n in I do not have a dimension on the other side but we have a setback in the RB District of 50 feet so essentially he'd be a better part of eight 8 foot 3 in in non-conforming state so I asked whether the you know I'm just curious whether what he's doing increases the non-conformity that might have existed before it increases it because he's he doesn't have the Conformity of the main house so they the main house is already not conforming and then then considering that this is this is going to be a Gra that that sticks out from that side and considering that the angle of the house is not exactly parallel to the to the road that it will increase the non-conformity by somewhere in in the range of a foot is there and that's just and and and and I'm doing with with just um uh my my um mechanical engineering acumen there is no Dimension there John can you can you nobody can hear you oh I can hear him oh you can oh he just I'm not hearing him he just kind of he just said it's GNA increase the non-conformity because he's building a structure that's 40t away as opposed to the 50ft setback now so we're just in his application he that's what he applied for for the 10 foot um relief 10 feet of relief so that's what he's asked for is a 10 foot of relief you know so yes it will increase the non-conformity in the lot based on the size of that structure that he's putting in but it it will make it look appealing to the eye because it's going to be straight across the same line is is the house all right he's not moving it f he's not moving it in front of the house is moving in line with the house which which is well let's just he let's he some of the neighbors we make sure that that the abiders sorry neighbors and butters to see if what they good to see you and I just had a second question about uh so was there a plan that was just filed today is that is there any issue that uh you know the we gave notice of the public hearing and people could go and look at his plans and now he's he filed a may have filed the Revis plan today that so it's one story not a two story is that an issue I mean I well actually it actually makes it it actually makes it more more appealing I believe that it's that it's a that it's a one story than a two because anybody that might be here to speak against it may so that's one of the things we'll find out but that's a very good question do we do we have the plan do do yes we have the new plan yes they they she sent those out earlier today and they are part of the public record can't hear you John what I can't hear you what what see I hear him fine so he asked if his was and John says yes uh Kobe sent the plans out today at 11:55 uh but the ones I open it it it has the picture of the one at 50 fet uh the 40 feet not the uh yeah it's it has that sh would it help if I showed the plan on the screen yeah would be very helpful yeah this is 40 feet that I see the one today is 40 feet Mr chair yes yeah my plan does not align with this um there's a lot of Dimensions that are different um he's got this this plan shows 22 foot n off the sideline from the front corner proposed I have a plan that shows 25 foot one and then once again the setback from the street the proposed is 50 foot 1 in and his is 40 fo 6 in then the breezeway the length of it I have showing 14 and a quarter 14.25 and his is showing 16 feet even so it I just I wasn't updated with the plan but okay well what what are your opinions on looking at this um how it how do you feel so the sidey yard is a 25t setback so it looks like he's proposing on this plan 22 fo9 so think he would need side relief and front relief if that if I'm looking at it correctly request yeah the the other plan that I had just showed front relief but um I want to make sure that my paperwork how many uh let me just double check something thank you on this one I'm looking at he does have a request for side relief of 2 feet one inch is that correct yes he is asking that is on the plan that I got today yes and that coincides with the table dimensional relief that I have it's just this is the updated um oh so good so the drawings so the so the so the table was right but the drawing was wrong is that's correct Mr okay good now they match up so we you know the application's correct which which is good okay and this drawing matches the application great okay okay that's thank you okay Jim you have any other any questions for for the applicant well it's um relatively simple once we have the U correlating plans that match up great it is in it is in your email uh from Kobe today as an FYI Dan chime in here we need we need a we need the uh a build's point of view I mean it makes perfect sense to me I think it it looks good you know if the neighbors are good with it you know I feel good about it well we're gonna find out from the Neighbors in a minute yeah no I feel it's reasonable you know okay excellent any other questions before I ask for U public input okay are there any members of the public that would like to uh enter and sign in please okay all right so it doesn't look like there are that there's anybody that's that's uh that objected to this two-story one that was there before I'm sure they're probably happier with even the one so okay all right so um uh if we have no more questions for the uh for the I make a motion to close the public hearing do I have a second second second excellent thank you Dan all right so we have a motion in a second to close public is there any discussion on the motion hearing none how do you vote Michael yes uh Dan yes Jim yes Arnold yes and I vote in the affirmative also okay so we closed the public hearing all right any um any discussion Among Us so does anybody want to make a motion I don't have one prepared Mr chair I I think I could make a motion thank you all right oh good we have three three three lawyers on this on this panel I'm glad that um this will be a good one I moved to find that the proposed addition would not be substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the existing non-conformity and will be in harmony with a general purpose and intent of the bylaw and Grant um uh I was trying to read my it's 10 feet in the front of um the on the side setback requirement wait a minute one 2.1 feet on the side uh uh relief on the side U setback and 10 feet on the um setback from the straight of relief uh uh from the Street line setback requirement and with the condition that the applicant records the plan with a registry of deeds that shows the property line as depicted on the sub the plan that was submitted today uh in the addition be constructed as depicted on that plan uh would you accept a friendly amendment to make the side piss up back 3 feet just because sometimes the 2 feet 1 inch might be a little bit tough for uh inspectional services to measure yeah that's that's fine excellent okay so we have 10 feet in three feet do I have a second on the motion second second thank you Jim oh we have a motion a second any discussion on the motion hearing none how do you vote Michael Yes Dan yes Arnold yes Jim yes and I vote in the affirmative also okay Roy you're all set um just there's some uh paperwork and stuff that you got to do with the inspectional services and then you got to go to town hall and all that baloney 20 days Etc ET so there there's an appeal period once they get everything written up um because there's then then from that point there's a 20-day appeal period so U neighbors for 20 days two Christmas absolutely hey Mary Christmas Roy thanks God bless have a great one be safe thanks everyone for the consideration good job thank you okay alrighty let's go to the next one oh shoot I wrote I wrote on the wrong page okay Happ John yes before we leave this one yes why can you anybody explain to me why on the fees we have um only $400 I that's beyond my pay there's one for 250 here on this on the amended one Michael um I'm looking at it there's 250 for the side setback right plus plus the 400 but then it said fees required 400 so yeah because it's only it's only the highest fee but why why why not the 500 because they were getting a special permit for the front setback right it's above my pay grade you guys okay I was just wondering they applied as a special permit yeah but they have 400 that's Mike's group well no that's side and rear set back the 250 and then it was a non-conforming lot so that's 400 and then all other special permits are 500 and then you pick you take the highest you want us to add it on to the building permit excuse me you want us to add it on to the building permit no I I was just wondering why that was I could find out admin yeah okay just wondering okay alrighty Let's uh let's move on to the next one the option board of appeals will hold a public hearing on Wednesday December 11 2024 at 7M to hear all persons interested in the application for a special permit and or variance filed by David holber 24 Woody Island Road Hopton Mass the applicant seeks relief from the zoning bylaws for additions to an existing non-conforming dwelling at 24 Woody Island Road that does not meet the minimum setback requirements the property is shown in assessor map l36 block 18 lot zero the hearing and we be held you both we using the zoom meeting service for additional information please email zba h.gov call the Department of land use plan and per at 508 49797 45 or check the online meeting calendar and agenda for this meeting at Hopkin m.gov This legal notice is also posted in the Massachusetts newspapers publ association mmpa website at massu notices one okay David what do you got for us good evening everybody oh okay oh you got okay you got the council EXC Jack nean hey Jack thanks for joining us yeah thanks for having us um so um Jack one second one second sorry sorry just just point of just Little proceed G so we get so Michael you're Michael Jim we got um 1 two three four and we got Mike so we've got we've got a full Board of of permanence so y so Dan you're out on this one and we got Mike on this one so this should it should be John Cino Arnold Mike Riley uh James and Mike damasio okay so we got two miks a Jim and Arnold and a John okay excellent I just wanted to just uh and uh and then we got Sean and Dan in the in the hall they're on they're on they're on deck okay beautiful well they can ask all the questions and absolutely thank I just want to know who who's voting okay sorry thanks for your patience with this no no problem at all please continue sure so good evening everybody my name's Jack nean with uh Neil and nean and click here at 85 Main Street hopkington and I am in front of you tonight on behalf of the applicant David hbor um so we're here tonight to ask the board's consideration in granting the applicant relief on a project that has been going on now for three years um I don't want to waste anybody's valuable time but I do think for this particular application some some history would be important to give all the members a timeline of this property as it relates to the the uh special permit in front of you tonight uh and I and I will be brief so 2018 Mr hbor purchased the property to live in a 1970s outdated ranch with his children uh due to a growing family in the deteriorating condition of the home uh Mr hbor engaged in a contractor to put on a second floor to allow the family to kind of grow in place within the home on June 30th 2022 this board the the members then voted unanimously to Grant the owner a special permit for additions to the single family ranch which included a second story addition an addition near the garage for front entry and an extension of the existing deck so construction began back in uh November of 2022 uh which like any project of a 1970s home does immediately led to the discovery of some structural issues which caused some Foundation repairs uh and delays until about March of 2023 when they could finally move forward with the framing of the house for the new addition uh once the home was fully gutted and reframed in Fall of 2022 it was about a month and a half later that one of the framed walls collapsed due to some insufficient workmanship and uh resulting in the firing and rehiring of a new framing crew the second framing crew um at the direction of the general contractor completed their work uh in about June of this year 2024 um and unfortunately due to the framing company's deviation from the approved uh June 22 plan approved by this board um Michael sard the zoning enforcement officer noticed that the building as it was built was not as the uh plan depicted when originally approved um so because of that the zoning Enforcement office offer sent a letter to the uh general contractor at the time um letting him know of this substantial deviation which is completely true um which resulted in August 20th 2024 of a stop work order on the property um after two years of over and underlying issues with this contractor um it wasn't until October that David realized that this contractor was not going to meet with the Building Commissioner and Mike saard to discuss these issues and how to kind of get the project back on the rails which David did in October he walked the property with Mr sard and the Building Commissioner to discuss a path forward at which time our office became involved to draft this application uh since October the applicants hired a new contractor to finish the project um he also at the recommendation of the building department had an as built plan created to show the project as it is built today which has been stamped and um drafted by an architectural engineer who's on the call tonight to answer any questions also at the time um the old general contractor left the property it was a complete mess so the applicant has taken full control and um has cleaned up all the debris dumpsters gotten rid of all the trash off the site currently and unfortunately the site is an exposed frame with sheathing with about 80% of the windows installed um but quite far from weather tight so given the delays of the project the applicant and his family have been renting for the past several years um and we're before the board tonight to get this project completely back on the rails we're happy to review the plan um as updated and the the uh real change from the approval in um June of 22 to now really deals with this right side of the house which was a proposed deck and then kind of a three seasoned porch that has actually now been framed as a continuation of a first floor and a second floor so on the first floor there is an additional finish space of 7 feet by 6 feet resulting in 45 a half square foot addition and on the second floor it's the width of the house 25 ft by 6 and 1/2 ft resulting in a 162.5 5 square foot addition so it's about a 208 foot difference of finish finish space the roof height is the only thing that's increased the footprint of the home and the dimensional um the dimensional layout of the house has not changed at all as it relates to zoning it's really just the height now on the farthest right side of the house matches the rest of the house at my you know non-architectural uh arithmetic gets it to about a 30 foot height which they're allowed 40 feet in that Lake District um so there's no issue there but what there there's no debate that was what was approved in June of 2022 is not what was built the the framers they just blew out the deck there's now no deck in its finished space on that far side of the house so the relief being asked for tonight is to allow the new plan as the as built will display uh to be approved by the board um again there's no further nonconformity towards um the roadway or any of budding neighbors it's just what was done on the footprint of what was approved was not uh was not what was you know depicted in the original plan so that is what we're here for tonight the new Builder Doug graciano is in attendance as well as cleers Saba who's the um engineer and uh the homeowners uh Doug and his partner Eric are also available to answer any questions questions or um you know whatever they can do to kind of get this project back up and running excellent thank you very much it was a great explanation really appreciate it because yeah we needed to we needed to know what actually happened because it was it was a lot different and um and for me that knowing that the uh nonconformities didn't increase but it they just didn't go by the plan is something that's that I needed to know um that's what I needed explain okay um Mike um can you uh give us the um inspectional Services um take on it yes Mr chair so as as Mr nean explained I did a routine site visit over there um I actually wasn't requested to go out there I went out there because I noticed the last time I was in the neighborhood that there was a lot of um disorder on the property and I just wanted to kind of investigate and see what was going on and um we looked we started looking at the plans and me being new to that specific site we noticed that the right side of the house the footprint didn't change so much but they they enclosed space that wasn't depicted on the special permit and we we obviously have to adhere to what the board grants so that's when we drafted the letter um we were trying to meet the contractor through out there he was he was unattentive so we contacted the homeowner and we sent a letter homeowner uh Mr hurn and they were great they met they met on on the site with us with my Mr MC white and I and we figured the best thing to do would be to send them back to this board so they could explain you know what happened and that they didn't go outside the footprint but they went they basically enclosed space that wasn't on the original plan on the first and the second floor so I thought bringing them back here so they could um tell their piece would be appropriate and also um we did notice that they had structural issues and they definitely had issues with the previous framers and we' discussed that and they've been very Cooperative um after the we sent the letter and we put the stop work order so we suggested from the building department that they would clean up the site get it safe because they were kind of in the inum with different uh CSL holders and they had bad experiences so we wanted to make sure the site was stable it was safe and they're at a point now where they're in you know basically the middle of the winter and they're in a tough spot they're vulnerable to the weather and so forth so um that's about all I can say for this well Mike thanks for the due diligence really appreciate it um okay uh any any members of the board that uh have any questions for for either Mr nean uh or um or Mike yeah um Mr chair yes Arnold all right I have a question for Mike uh so so Mike you described uh the first floor where it was supposed to be like a maybe a porch and they changed it into you know enclosed it like a like an additional room to the house but what what was the what what happened on on the second floor how did it they go beyond what the original approval was on the second floor Mr Cohen the first floor was um like Mr San said it was a 6x7 extension porch and it had a shed roof on it and they basically finished that space and then they went up and they continued the house out um from there was another portion that bumped out so they made it basically a straight side so they finished 25 by six and a half but only half only the 7 by6 portion on the second for was the ex extra finish face so they essentially finished 7 by6 two stories instead of putting the roof on and keeping at one story okay so the the area that was this patio is two stories now instead of being one story well not patio porch was yeah porch I'm happy to share the plan of the original originally approved plan as well as what is built now if that would be helpful to the m that would be great that would be great thank you so much just uh then we can see what Mike's actually talking about yeah absolutely sharing is not turned on I'm just gonna send a request Mr gilich if you would all right think you should we all that now all right thank you all right can everybody see my screen here yep all right so this is the plan you'll see up here 91321 this was the plan that was approved by this board in 2022 uh let me just get a good front image so if you look here you'll see this was what was approved it was a it was a small deck leading up to this I think it was proposed a Four Season room y so if everybody has that grasp I'm switch over to the I'm gonna switch over to the as built if that's okay so on the as built plan what exists today is instead of a deck they now have this extension of this first floor here and on the second floor you can see it's the master bedroom and a fraction of a closet that is what was built up and I can show can you show an elevation that'd be great uh yes not sure if it's going to show the exact elevation but let me see if I can show kind kind of a structural yeah there it is so this is kind of it in the Forefront of what it looked like so it was originally supposed to kind of just be a a Four Season room here they ended up framing the entire you know not quite it's equally equal to the height of the 30 feet of the rest of the structure but they basically just boxed it in see if I can get one more view for everybody there it is yeah so here you can see it here so it's really it was really supposed to be about half of this on the first floor second floor was not was not uh approved and that's what the applicants are asking for I mean this is what's built now so they're looking to uh to you know receive relief from the board on this second floor and really just this half of the first floor as this back part was already approved okay happy to leave the plan up if people have specific specific questions all right so so uh the applicant's position is that he didn't realize that uh they were putting up a you know an extra story on the uh yeah second second set of uh second set of framers uh I'd say almost complete breakdown with the current general contractor um you know the whole thing's pending litigation and he wasn't willing to stop and review the plan or explain the plan to the subs and by the time you know Mr hbor was able to kind of understand what was going on had a letter in his mailbox from Mr sard anybody else um Jim Mike Michael no I Mr chair I have a question sure do do we have what was approved back in 22 or 21 it was it was proposed in 21 but approved 22 from yeah I was on the board then yeah so that's it right I think Mike Mario you were on the board then too yeah do we have a copy of what was actually approved th this is the approved plan it's recorded with the special permit this is the site plan um um Mr hurn um um steing was was there a fire in this one in this house no there wasn't this was not that yeah I know okay okay okay okay this just we we we get we have so we have so many from the from the lake area you know and then and then Woody Island is a is a is even a more special area of the lake area yes okay everything you guys do you sneeze come in front of this Bo yes Mr CH yes not not to defend the applicant but one thing that I will say is we noticed that he he did go off the print on a few other occasions but that wouldn't affect the zoning um the way that he built some of the structure was was just kind of wacky I would say and um off the plan and this gentleman is going to have to rebuild some of the things to satisfy the co so it doesn't surprise me that they went off the plan and went off the footprint um if that helps any thanks Mike yeah and that's what you know this is this is where we need you know Builders to to come in and I know Mike you've been a builder a long time we got Dan and and and and myself and and we know what uh what what can happen and and uh yeah I when I when I got to the property there was definitely because I had cired that place a few times keep my eye on it and there was definitely a major disconnect with with the CSL holder is if you if anybody drove up to that site and saw the condition that I mean they had it was it was building materials littered all over the place so the CSL holder did not have a grasp on that job at all and he was uncooperative with us okay than thanks Mike okay um Sean do you have anything else yeah and so as I understand it Mr nean you're your clients weren't residing at the property during the disc construction is that correct no they have been renting since uh since the beginning back in 2022 okay yeah this is the house in the middle holy M yeah trying everybody knows everybody knows the house in the middle get there in yes this Pro this property here and then they actually also have dock rights over here some land um Mike you have anything yeah Michael Dan no I have lived through Mr Mr missor I have lived through contractors not doing what they're supposed to or having to call out I didn't haven't lived anywhere near the situation you face with having to fire them and get rid of them but I do have a lot of empathy for you when you're dealing with this type of uh people who just rip you off and do what they want to do um to me it's no surprise if you see him building it it's one thing but not knowing I also think that it's if it's within the footprint and which you asked for I don't see the harm I do say well aren't you going to want to porch at some point but you know that that maybe for another day uh but uh I I do sympathize with your plight um unfortunately all of us have felt sometimes with the contractors the burn of it not like you have so um hang in there you'll get in there it took us 10 months to get into our house back into our house so that's nothing compared to what you guys had but we were in a mobile home so um so good luck with it but Michael to that point of a porch you know they can put they can put an egress on there they can't put PCH but they can put an egress without coming to us because you are allowed to go into uh into the setback um uh if you want to put an extra egress so absolutely yes and and being a builder I have fired a lot of framers and stuff but then being the the the CSL that Mike is being a CSL you know when the way that Mike was just talking yes it is very scary when the building inspector really hold to see CSL accountable but we have to and um and we and as a CSL we have to make sure that we hire uh framers that that do build by print but there are so many of them that think that they know better and and being a a a a homeowner that that you just put your trust into into the um into the contractor it's a it's it's it's a shame but um yeah so it's funny when when when I first saw this I um sorry to go ramble on but when I first saw this I was saying to myself how do they not know that that that he was doing it wrong they're living there and but now that I understand that you weren't living there because that's one of the discussions I had with myself earlier it's like they didn't see that the guys were doing it wrong but I get it but you know being a builder I would see that that stuff is being done wrong but yeah yeah and I'm just I'm really glad that uh that that you know inspector Services did go out there and notice some of this stuff because you know lots of people um believe that that pulling pulling permits is is burdensome and such but in reality it's especially for you guys it's one of the things that's going to give you a home that's going to be safe to live in safe to ensure and safe to raise your children in and and we're just lucky to have people like Mike that just that just you know do the due diligence and and uh go out and and notice stuff that's just not right and M Mike really thank you but I'm sorry now but you're here with us but but hopefully this can be resolved in everybody's best interests so I'm sorry ramble Dawn um Jim do you have anything or anybody else have anything no I was in the same situation I rented for a couple years my house built uh you know I can't read any plans so I can totally understand how things could go arai when you're trusting somebody you're paying and uh you think that they know what they're doing and they don't so I totally understand and Mr deasio you've always got some good stuff what do you got for us Mike I have no questions s sorry I had to turn on my wow microphone especially especially at the lake you're really good with us you really always help me out here okay um seems pretty straightforward excellent okay so um if uh there's no objection I'd like to open it up to the public okay okay with the the board okay are the members of the public that would like to um speak um on this uh on this application uh yes sir I am uh I'm Eric Bloom um I live at 23 Woody Island Road uh so I'm directly across we look out our house directly to David's house in the middle I think that everybody in Woody Island does everybody looks that's very true um I'll say that uh I am uh you know in 100% support of an agreement with David being able to move forward um and to my knowledge is that uh everyone else here is also um I've heard no um you know nothing that would be against what would be moving forward this uh I'll say to myself I know the the property very well not only do I look at it but I work from home and uh you know between meetings I'll get a little fresh air and I've probably walked around David's house a thousand times in the last three years so I'm very very familiar with it it looks great um but again I know no one who wants anything except for David to be able to move forward and finish with it as is that's great are there any more members of the public okay hearing oh do we have one same thanks we love him no okay excellent excellent and then that's in support of it though not just kid yeah and that that's the that's the important part because you know we we have to make sure that we all we all work together in this stuff and especially like I said before with with our inspectional services you know just getting out there and and and making sure that it's done right you know and it's and it's a pain the neck to come and see us you had a higher higher kneel and Neel and click to come in and and explain it to us but um in the in the long run hopefully everything's going to be uh everything will built be built correctly um so um any anybody else from the public all right make a motion make a motion to close the public hearing and we got multiple seconds okay so we Mike and so we got Mike and Jim who after the seconds all right so we get a motion as second any any discussion on the motion to close public hearing hearing none let's go into order Michael Yes uh Mike uh Jim yes uh Arnold yes and I will vote in the affirmative also okay so public hearing is closed any discussion anybody or just anybody want to make a motion anybody this little discussion first um yes I fully understand I think um again A lot of times with the lake they're having 45,000 square feet the situation where you're in where where you're in the middle um it's a good siiz house you know so you're your family can really expand uh but it's we I really think we need the the community support and we got the community support one thing I do know about the lake folks being one myself if they were opposed to it they would have been lined up and you had a lot of hearing so um and then there's a reason to go to co to have bourbon's out afterwards so that being said it didn't happen so and then Eric is in support and I agree if there was people opposed to it we would know about it uh the design looks excellent and uh I fully support uh this project um and good luck moving forward thank you we're incredibly appreciative of you know what everybody's uh done here so yeah yeah and and know again as a builder it's just what part that just hard for me is there it's there's so many Builders out there that give give us a bad name you know and um you know and it's just again it's like people like Mike that are out there just you know protecting you guys that uh you know and some people would would look at inspectional Services as as a burden but in this case it's um making sure that it's really done right and it's it's it's great it really is you well he's following in Mr Shepard's footsteps and Mr Shephard saved my me from our Builders and now he's following in the path so get he's got big shoes to fill but he's doing a great job it is for our protection he made he Mr Shephard made sure our house was built the way it's supposed to even though the builders wanted to make shortcuts and now Mike's doing the same so yeah and that's and that's the whole thing and that's and that's what we need in inspectional Services is also that that level of compassion so he's looking out he's absolutely looking out for the for the homeowners and that's that's that's one of the things we need we're we're we're a small town we're getting bigger but but we still need that small time small town feel and really it's it's it's great to know that we have people like that in town hall alrighty so if there's no other questions uh does anybody have a a motion I have nothing in front of me I'm totally unprepared for this one I totally apologize I had meetings all day today in Boston so um um I'll I'll I'll add Hawk one but okay of me I gotta get it in front of me isold yes you want to redo the first one and just apply it to this one no I mean it's a different situation than no I meant but it's it's it's a special permit isn't it it's a yes so what do we uh okay we granting them what specific so I vote to I vote to Grant the special permit noting that it is the pro proposed changes to the D to the as built are not substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood than the existing non-conformity and it will be in harmony with the general purpose and intents of the zoning bylaw and um so be substantially shall be constructed substantially as depicted on the latest plans okay so so it's up to the hoorns and uh and Mr nean and Mike please if you could just give them a little extra assistance to make sure that who's ever continuing to work work on this structure does it to their does it to the plans is that uh is that good enough for everyone can I get a second second okay thank you very much Mike all right so we have Motion in a second any discussion on the motion or any friendly amendments hearing none Michael how do you vote Yes um Mike deasio yes Jim yes Mr Cohen yes and I vote in the affirmative also hey good luck good luck you guys uh Dave you know it's uh please I hope that the rest of it goes better and I hope you have a a wonderful holiday you know you've been through a lot and um and and again Mike I I know I've been reigning Praises upon you but this you really came through here for these people and you really came through for the town and everything I really really really appreciate it thanks so much completely agree with that excellent point of order for the hoorns are they able to weathertight the house up in uh after this three inches of rain and to avoid any further damage I know there's a stop work order but with this decision lift that or do they have to wait for the appeal period And I I would suggest that we can speak tomorrow we can have a conversation and figure out how we're going to move forward okay excellent great question thank and it's and it's part of the record thank you very much okay let's move on move on to the agenda on the agenda which I have open next to this thank you folks good luck thank you thank you God go God bless thank you so much okay so we've got um oh board reorganization oh shoot okay nominate John for chair second second nomination there are no other nominations you guys talk wasn't there okay and so we got a lot of seconds okay so um actually actually Mr Riley actually I think you're supposed to be running the spot of it then that's this case all right so I I nominate John for chair we got a second um how do you vote Mike yes discussion on the mo yes a yes I don't think Sean yes Dan yes Arnold yes James yes missing anybody myself is a yes and John yes you can abstain if you want yes all right so it carries welcome to another 10 years okay then I'm gonna nominate I'm gonna nominate you for vice chair then I nominate Michael Riley for vice chair second second yeah okay any other nominations hearing none Mr deasio yes Mr Masterson yes Mr Cohen yes Jim yes Dan yes and I vote in the affirmative also it's unanimous okay I think I won't get even with you guys okay and there's clerk anybody anybody else want to be Clerk all right I can't nominate myself with I nominate John for three years what the heck you're doing a great job Why Stop Now oh boy is there a second second [Music] second okay all those in favor Mike yes Sean yes Dan yes Arnold yes James yes I also a yes and I'm a yes too okay all right we got that out of the way all right we're reorganized what else do we got minutes I don't think we have minutes theair zoning advisory committee rep yeah zoning advis okay so who's on who's who's on who's on the Zone advisory committee right now I did it for 14 years I'm I'm I'm done I was cheer for 12 of it well I want it uh if somebody else is interested in doing it uh that's okay you know anybody else interested but I'll stay on if you mind doing it no no that'd be great I Arnold yeah I don't know people know what it is you know what it is but oh I know what it is would know what it is I was the chair I was the chair and the and the representative for six yeah and then uh then I did it again no no no no no it's those that's too many meetings Okay so so a motion in a second any other any other nominations hearing none Jim yes Michael yes Mike yes deasio yes okay Dan yes Sean yes Arnold stain and I vote in affirmative Okay so we've got the one we've got uh unanimous except for one one exstension excellent okay arold thank you very much for doing I really appreciate it okay um anything else on the agenda I think our next meeting is in first week of January I'm not sure but I think it's the first week of January January 8th I think she did say we have one thing yeah John I have a question for you yes uh Adu the new law um I just this seminar today so I learned a little bit about it are we gonna discuss that or is that a Zach thing or a different committee gonna handle that um it'll probably be a Zach thing to bring it to Zach actually um um John you might yeah through the chair I can um kind of go through the process so it's before Zach right now um it we don't really have to do anything it's not like the NBTA communities bylaw where if we don't adopt something we're going to be in trouble the state law is going to supersede our law we're just going to try and amend our law to match that so that there's less confusion oh great some other additional Provisions local local municipalities can do that the state doesn't regulate um but we already do that kind of stuff so yeah we've done that before when I was on the planning board yeah okay so it's it's before Zach um we hope to get it before town meeting in in May um just be the same as what the state is putting out in February and John when the meeting closes can you just stay on for a quick second I have an I have a question to ask you about not related to this board but previous discussion me joho why don't we call why John you John John oh okay then I'm going to I'm going to okay so motion to close second okay any discussion on the motion to close hearing none Jim yes Arnold yes Dan yes Sean yes Mike yes yes and oh sorry Mike and Mike okay yes sorry Michael Michael all right and I vote in the affirmative also meeting is a Jan guys everybody thank you so much really for coming everybody have a happy holiday really app January thanks every really thanks for hanging in everybody it's you know this some of these some of these can be kind of tough feely some of was going to be tough you know going back to the to the gas station everybody hung in there really appreciate it and uh you know it all worked out the way uh the way it was supposed to I guess and um so really thanks again thanks for staying on this board Arnold thanks for stepping up and doing Zach really appreciate everybody pulling pulling it for me it uh it's it's like like Michael was saying we're a community and and we have to have some empathy sympathy but we also have to work work through the law hey bless everyone have a great have a great week and uh thanks again