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all right good evening welcome to the township how planning board meeting for Thursday March 6th 2025 Eileen opening statement please I hereby declare this meeting of the Howell Township planning board to be open pursuant to the New
Jersey open public meeting act in the following manner first on January 3rd 25 a copy of said notice was emailed to the Asbury Park Press and the Star Ledger second on January 3rd 2025 a copy of
said notice was hand delivered to the clerk of the township of Howell third on January 3rd 2025 said notice was posted in the office of the planning board and on the bulletin board in the Howell Township Municipal Building
4567 Route 9 Howell Township New Jersey in accordance with the fire prevention code and your safety please be advised that this facility is designed with two emergency exits at the front and rear of the meeting room furthermore smoking is
not permitted in the municipal building please take note that this meeting is being videotaped for possible future broadcast on Howell Township TV 77 thank you thank you uh roll call please Mr
Cristiano present Mr Greenfield I have not heard from Mr Carbonic present Mr Mercer I have not heard from Mr tenenhouse I have not heard from Mr reel here councilman nadell here mayor legio
here Mr B here uh Mr Withers has resigned in case anybody didn't know and chairman huster here you have a quum thank you at this time would everybody please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance and afterwards a moment of silence for men and women who served both here and
abroad flages America the for it stands Nation God indivisible withy and jce for all thank you okay Eileen approval of any minutes I I have no minutes this evening okay
and any correspondence yes correspondence I have an email from the deputy manager Mr Howard asking to carry the application for Howell Township for a subdivision uh they would like that application to be Carri to March 20th
with no further notice okay and that was a noticed application okay Ron you want to make that announcement or is there one okay so the application of how Township uh case number SD
3019 C1 be carried to the boards March you said 20th 20thth March 20th 2025 meeting is a live meeting beginning 7 o'clock here at Town Hall let me no further notice to Property Owners thank you I also have a letter from attorney
Jared who is also in the audience uh he's asking that the application for Ben Z young gree LLC case number SD 3016 be adjourned and carried to April 3rd 2025 with no further
notice Mr P did you want to address the uh the board good evening board members um as Mr Rano mentioned just here on behalf of the applicant to make the request for adjournment um to allow for some time for revised plans based on some feedback
we received from the board professionals um so that's the reason for the request thanks J so the application of uh benzan younger LLC case number SD 303016 we car to the board's April 3rd
2025 meeting it is a live meeting beginning 7:00 here here in the main meeting room at Town Hall there be no further notice to Property Owners thank you thank you thank you we also have three ordinances that were introduced by the council uh on Tuesday
and they're up for public hearing and adoption on March 18th which is before our next meeting so we need to discuss them for consistency with the master plan I sent them to everybody this morning good evening Jennifer yes so ordinance number 2509 and ordinance
amending chapter L use article uh one title purpose definitions section 4 entitled definitions and rules of general applicability of the revised General ordinances of the township of Howell this is adding okay so I'm going
to give you a global situation we in our last master plan had recommended that the township look into ways to accommodate the Farms having these events and things like that and how they were regulated so it's taking a bit of
time but this is the definitions of all those different Farm events which is consistent with the master plan so I would request that the board find that this ordinance 2509 is consistent with
the town's master plan um and that it get uh memorialized and sent back to the governing body any questions uh okay can is can it be a question or do you want to take an adjournment take there would just be a
motion uh find it substantially consistent Mr legio has a mayor legio has a question oh sure go ahead go ahead for Mr ciero yes I don't know if we should uh privately or you want me to make it public oh
this P this past council meeting I abstained from this 9 10 and 11h these okay these ordinance as per our our attorney at town
and you abstained or recused I abstained right Iain it went through the rest of the council voted yes okay I abstained as per a recommendation from our our counsil you know our lawyer
and obviously I support this I I believe it's consistent I read it I've been we've been doing it for two weeks but should I abstain again I don't know the reason why she instructed you to abstain so without understanding what the
context was um sort of out of an abundance of caution I'd recommend taking the same action but I'm sort of at a disadvantage cuz I don't know you know what generated that advice so your suggestion is I just
obain my suggestion is because I don't know you know if I KN if I knew all the facts I may not have that recommendation but not knowing why it is that she instructed you to abstain I would say to abstain again okay not fetal yet yeah yeah I'm
not worried about the no gentlemen any questions okay do I have a motion that this is consistently substantially consistent with our master plan I will make motion that this is substantially consistent with our master plan Mr Cristiano do I
have a second second councilman Adell Mr Cristiano yes Mr Carbonic yes Mr reel yes councilman nadell yes mayor legio obain thank you Mr B yes and and
chairman huster yes motion carries thank you so Mr chair ordinance 2510 is along the same lines is the actual standards put into the ordinance in terms of the
definitions the the requirements the size of the events what hours of operation all those things but again we did recommend that the township Council look into regulating these events and so
it is consistent with the master plan and I would respectfully request the resolution affirming that okay any questions gentlemen okay again I'll take a motion motion that is consistent with the
master plan Mr Cristiano do I have a second second councilman andell Mr Cristiano yes Mr Carbonic yes Mr reel yes councilman Nell yes mayor legio abstained Mr B yes and chairman
huster yes motion carries lastly 20 ordinance 2511 basically identifies the a zoning districts the two through six zoning districts where this will be permitted so again it's consistent with the master
plan questions can will take a motion make motion that it's consistent with the master plan Mr Cristiano do I have a second councilman Nell Mr Cristiano yes Mr Carbonic yes Mr reel yes councilman
Nell yes mayor legia obain Mr B yes and chairman huster yes motion carries thank you thank you and that's all the correspondence I have all right thanks Eileen okay resolutions first is a review of
proposed ordinance number o- 25-7 a resolution deeming proposed ordinance consistent with the master plan eligible voters Mr Carbonic Mr Rebel councilman Adell mayor legio Mr beo and myself do I have a
motion motion Mr Rebel do I have a second second Mr Carbonic Mr Carbonic yes Mr reel yes councilman nadell yes mayor legio yes Mr V yes and chairman huster yes motion
carries resolutions memorialize thank you and the next is for case number number sp-110 howl Crossing LLC this is a resolution granting preliminary and final major site plan eligible voters Mr Cristiano Mr Carbonic
Mr Rebel mayor legio and myself do I have a motion I'll make motion Mr Cristiano do I have a second second Mr Carbonic Mr Cristiano yes Mr Carbonic yes Mr reel yes mayor legio yes and chairman huster
yes motion Carri resolutions memorialized thank you okay on to submission waivers this is for case number sd-38 Carmine Caruso for a minor subdivision Mr chairman yes um we just recently received word from the
applicants attorney that they intend to submit everything on the checklist so they're no longer requesting any submission waivers oh great okay we'll get you home to watch The Bachelor don't worry um I don't know if that's on tonight all right so that so our only
application this evening case number sp-11 123 SMC Properties LLC this for preliminary and final major site plan with ancillary variance and design waiver relief good evening good evening Mr chairman start just give me one
minute I can pull no this is the last and [Applause] [Applause] then oh yeah here mons that's a
killer they got to get he's got to go I mean you like the guy but he's got to go you might have to like go through the process to activate the email
you not getting anything stand oh he is playing oh Johnny if you want to just uh get started with your introductions I I would love to but when the board secretary says wait I I understand sorry that's that's what I do I'm sorry I know who's who's really in charge here
um thank you um I I I just have Mr DeFalco here I have my client here and good Mr Ray is on his way but fortunately um I had an opportunity to discuss the matter briefly with your board's professionals and uh since the last hearing Mr jaalo went out onsite uh
had a meeting and I think we've worked through all of the concerns that the board professionals had the updated plans have uh minor tweaks to the Landscaping minor tweaks to the birming in the back and a slightly different angle on the entry and exit um on to Highway 33 in accordance with what the
board uh professionals have requested and the big thing is uh that we have agreed to a 6040 split where indoor Recreation uh would be um no more than um we're going to we're going to have uh trade Contracting no more than 60%
indoor Recreation uh no more than 45 I get I keep 55 and 45 well it's going to be 55 and 45 so we have uh trade contractors 55 and 45 for indoor Recreation which I think is even better than the split that uh Miss beam had recommended and Mr cachero as well so
with that said I think we're we're complete um if you'd like to make me you know have me ask a lot of long and tedious questions no that that was the outstanding issues right I agree I think I Laura do you have any anything else outstanding because for me that 6040
split the last piece of information that I needed uh the only thing I would just ask Mr DeFalco we prepared prepared updated uh technical engineering review you agree to comply I just mral I remind you you remain under oath yes thank you yes we do thank you Laura uh nothing
further Mr chairman great gentlemen any questions okay uh I will open it up to the public if the public has any questions what case are you guys here for they're not it's not happening
tonight okay yeah okay so John just I just want to confirm so when Laura and I were talking about the 6040 we said that would comply with the ordinance this particular split you're proposing is 5545 is that what you're
proposing permanently or are you saying you're accepting 6040 but in this instance you're going with 5545 but we would like the resolution to say 640 Max that's what I thought okay but our our particular configuration right now would be
I just ask one question the indoor Recreation what kind of square footage you look at Mr DeFalco can answer that I want to add one thing there was also no uh dance that was a condition as well right no uh like dance
studio no no no dance class no dance classes that was dance classes on the indoor Recreation you want to address the um yes I no danc John just out of curiosity why why
is there why is dance my question is parking oh okay intensity parking you know you have a lot of kids there for dance class they all come and the parents are in the I think that's why you're professional well how's that going to be any different than the indoor
Rec I don't think you should just exclude indir personally okay then we won't I wouldn't because the majority of the time the parents are like dump and run man I I mean I know I was dump and run
so I don't think the parking will become problematic I think indoor W is a realistic use for this additional space because I have seen a ton of these developments that have been existing forever transition from this grade
contractor to mostly indoor wck you know like agility training strength like whatever I don't think that's a a huge problem I would not recommend excluding it unless you want to come back and visit
us I'm just saying I mean I'm very Charming we'd like to include it what what type of um sports facilities will there be for indoor W it it hasn't been determined but it could be anything from batter cages to pickle bow it could be like strength and
Agility Ian like where they just come in and like I know so sometimes they have like basketball in these facilities too where you have 20 kids showing up for one game an overlap of another 20 not the space and the roof height is not conducive to actual right it's not
conducive to actual gym space when we say indoor wreck we're talking like a training facility where maybe there's a batting cage maybe there's Turf where they're like running up and down but there's not enough room and the height is not high the height the roof is not
high enough for like an actual gym okay you mean for like a basketball court it's not high enough W is the bigger issue you're going to have as owners is controlling your your um flux space tenants CU I can tell you where I
go with my sons all over the place they're always pull to the back or whatever and the electrician the plumber they take up like four spots y with a truck and trailer right so but that's on you guys as being strict as as owners you're not up for spots not you know
everyone needs a share space pallets in the parking lot CU you realize here we we're strict with complying to what I'm catching on and and Mr may know that some some towns lots of days go on it and you know Timber oh
yeah it's ridiculous horrendous place we go to it's the most ridiculous thing we ever seen that's why I talk about the the two games back to back where they got two games going on at once with four teams there with an overlap and cars are all over the place the trucks are parked this is not this is not like sportia I
just want to make sure people are aware this is not there's another one in marbor that's like the same kind of flex use do you know it we're hopeful that you know you'll see from the architecture have a reason you guys not you the
owner real diligent with with the but it could be like a karate studio it could be something simple the height is not high enough because we limited the height in Flex to 32t question you can't it's not a gym
like it's not a 40 foot 50 foot tight ceiling so you're not going to have volleyball or basketball or those could be a lacrosse uh strength and Agility thing it could be a karate studio they don't have tenants so we don't know and if
it's a problem with the space obviously they would come back to us but the way that and I Mr Jackson you can correct me 100% if I'm incorrect in speaking what they're committing to is that no more than 60% of the space will be trade contractor the balance of space
will be permitted uses indoor wreck is one of the permitted uses it could be a whole Litany of things but that was where we left off because we were unsure about the split they've committed to it so as far as I'm concerned from a
planning point of view I'm good and and and I believe to answer the mayor's question the square footage of the indoor Recreation is approximately 8,911 sare ft that's 40% it could be broken up into multiple spaces corre pickle ball is a big thing
I agree big big big big business right now my daughter's uh an orthopedic surgery resident she says pickle Ball's one of their best uh client uh ref FAL sources hamstrings C so I shouldn't take
that up listen when you retire you not pick a balling it's better than tennis softer well if you turn on ESPN 3 tonight at 3:00 a.m. it's it's all over uh really yeah pickle ball at 3:00 in the morning all right gentlemen uh yeah I'm going to close the public obviously no
one's running up uh and then uh John anything else that's it Mr thank you okay you got it uh I will entertain a motion a mo mayor legio do I second Mr Cristiano for the
second Mr I'm assuming it's to approve right this is to approve correct to approve the project Mr Cristiano yes Mr Carbonic yes Mr Rebel yes councilman Nell yes mayor
legio yes and chairman huster yes thank you thank you very much thanks John have a great night [Applause] can I'm all for batting cages um for the contractors Jennifer nothing on master
plan right just so you're aware we uh an objection has been filed to our position on the affordable housing we're entering dispute resolution but the housing element will be our next master plan element but that's we have to go
through this process so nothing yet the state objected to your red State no fair share and the builders objected to every town that challenged the number gotcha so that's where we are and we have we start the mediation next week so got it
okay good look Ron any reason for executive session I don't need luck not this uh I'm sorry I'm sry not this meeting Mr chairman the next meeting though okay thank you uh do I have a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second second
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