Heat. Heat. Good evening. Welcome to the Township of How Planning Board meeting for Thursday, April 9th, 2026. Opening statement, please. How Town Township Planning Board. I hereby declare this meeting of the How Township Planning Board to be open, adequate notice having been given
pursuant to the New Jersey Open Public Meeting Act in the following manner. First, on January 8th, 2026, a copy of said notice was emailed to the Asbury Park Press and the Star Ledger. Second, on January 8th, 2026, a copy of said notice was hand delivered to the clerk
of the township of Howell. Third, on January 8th, 2026, said notice was posted in the office of the planning board and on the bulletin board in the Howell Township Municipal Building, 4567 Route 9, How Town Township, New Jersey. In accordance with the fire prevention code and for your safety, please be
advised that this facility is designed with two emergency exits at the front and rear of the meeting room. Furthermore, smoking is not permitted in the municipal building. Please take note that this meeting is being videotaped for possible future broadcast on how Town Township TV77. Thank you. Thank
you. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Bado, >> here. >> Mr. Freriedman is excused. Mr. Gimble >> here. >> Mr. Mr. Greenfield is excused. Mr. Carbonic
is absent. Mr. McNicholas >> here. >> Mr. Mercer is excused. Councilman Rebel >> here. >> Mr. Wo >> here. Miss Core >> here. >> Chairman Huzer >> here. You have a quum. >> Thank you. At this time, would everybody
please rise for the pledge of allegiance and afterwards a moment of silence for our men and women who have served both here and abroad, indivisibley and justice for all. Thank you. Okay. On to approval of minutes for the
regular meeting of January 15, 2026. Eligible voters, Mr. Gimble, um, Councilman Rebel, Mr. Wetgo, Miss Cower, and myself. Do I have a motion? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Uh, you can't, Mr. Bad.
>> Motion to approve. Councilman Rebel, do I have a second? >> Second. >> Mr. Wetco. >> Mr. Gimble. >> Yes. >> Mr. Carbonic. >> He's >> Oh, he's not here. Sorry. Mr. Rebell, Councilman Rebell, >> yes.
>> Mr. WCO, >> yes. >> Miss Core, >> yes. >> Chairman Huzer, >> yes. >> Minutes are approved. >> Thank you. And for the regular meeting of February 5th, 2026, eligible voters, Mr. Bato, Mr. McNicholas, Councilman
Rebel, Mr. WCO, Miss Cower, and myself. Do I have a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Mr. McNicholas, do I have a second? >> Second, >> Mr. Wetco. >> Mr. Bato, >> yes. >> Mr. McNicholas,
>> yes. >> Councilman Rebell, >> yes. >> Mr. WCO, >> yes. >> Miss Core, >> yes. Chairman Huzer. >> Yes. >> Minutes are approved. >> Thank you. Do we have any correspondence this evening? >> Yes. Uh there was a letter from Greg Veila, the attorney for case SP1128
links waste and recycling, which is on tonight's agenda, asking to reschedule their application to a new date with notice. Uh the board secretary has asked Mr. Baylor for an extension of time for the board to act on the application. >> Okay. So we don't have a new date for that yet. >> No. >> Okay. So, just a notice to the public if
you're here for case number SP1128, Links Waste and Recycling Center Solutions. There's going to be no testimony tonight and it will be carried with notice to a date to be determined. >> There is an email also from Greg Vea, attorney for case SP1138, JNS Flex
Center LLC, asking to be rescheduled with notice, and he will grant an extension of time until July 30th, 2026 >> with no date yet. >> No. >> Okay. Like the last case, if you're here for case number SP1138, JNS Flex Center LLC, there's going to be no testimony on
this application this evening and it will be carried with notice to a date to be determined. >> And then uh she also wanted said there were emails sent by the township clerk to all members regarding their financial disclosure forms which must be completed by April 30th, 2026. Anyone who doesn't
file by the deadline of April 30th, 2026 may incur a fine. >> Yeah, get that done. takes about two seconds. Um, that's it. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. This we got two resolutions. Uh, first is case number SP1130,
Vanderbeir Industrial Partners LLC. It's a resolution granting preliminary and final major site plan approval and minor subdivision approval with ancillary design and waiver relief. Eligible voters, Mr. Bato, Mr. McNicholas, Councilman Rebel, Mr. Wetco, and myself.
Do I have a motion? >> Motion to approve. >> Thank you, Mr. McNicholas. Do I have a second? >> Second. >> Councilman Rebell. >> Mr. Bato. >> Yes. >> Mr. McNicholas? >> Yes. >> Councilman Rebel?
>> Yes. >> Mr. Wetco? >> Yes. >> Chairman Huzzer? >> Yes. >> Resolution is memorialized. >> Thank you. And the second resolution is case number SD 3029. Darius Tenennis submission waivers uh resolution granting application submission waivers
eligible voters Mr. Bato Mr. Gimble Mr. McNicholas Councilman Rebel Mr. Wetco and myself do I have a motion >> a motion to approve >> thank you Mr. Bato do I have a second >> second >> Mr. Gimble >> Mr. B
>> yes >> Mr. Gimble >> yes >> Mr. Mr. McNicholas, >> yes. >> Councilman Rebell, >> yes. >> Mr. WCO, >> yes. >> Chairman Huzer, >> yes. >> Resolution is memorialized. >> Thank you. Uh, on to submission waiverss. I see a couple people in the
crowd here. Uh, it's case number SD 3028, Bill and Pamela Hill. This is for a minor subdivision. >> Good evening. Could >> if you could could you please just state your name for the record? >> I'm Pamela Hill. >> Hi Pamela. >> I'm here with Bill Hill.
>> Yep. So, the way these typically work is um we understand what you're you're here for. Um we certainly will ask you any questions we may have, but we turn it over to our professionals here and they'll walk us through. >> We very much like to hear from Laura. >> Yeah.
>> So, thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the board. We have a report dated March 11th, 2026. The submission waivers specifically start at the bottom um if with item three. Um several of the items I do think should be provided on a subsequent submission, but I take no
exception to the deeming of these waiverss for the purposes of uh deeming the application complete. I do just want to go over those. One is a certified uh property owners list and my concern is this application we have flagged for potential variances. If in fact
variances are needed, the meeting will need to be noticed to the public and so they would need that list. Um we can certainly review those in detail at the professionals meeting which occurs after uh completeness to confirm. In addition items like checklist item 27, 29, 31,
32, 33, 34, 35, 52 as well as 65 county health board of health application. And that's because septic ultimately would be proposed for future dwellings. Those are the items that I think can be um should be provided on a subsequent submission but aren't needed for the
purposes of deeming complete. >> Okay. Any questions from the board members? You good, Miss Hill? >> Okay. All right. At this time, I will entertain a motion from a member of the board.
>> Make a motion to approve. >> Mr. McNicholas. Motion to approve. approved. Do I have a second? >> Second. Mr. Wkco. Roll call, please. >> Mr. Bato, >> yes. >> Mr. Gimble, >> yes. >> Mr. McNicholas, >> yes. >> Councilman Rebell, >> yes.
>> Mr. Wetco, >> yes. >> Miss Core, >> yes. >> Chairman Huzer, >> yes. >> Motion carries. >> Thank you. Good evening, Miss Hill. Thank you. >> Good evening, guys. Okay. Um, our only application this evening,
case number SP1131, Vanderbeer Industrial Partners LLC for preliminary and final major site plan with design waiver relief. Mr. Pap. >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman and board members, board professionals,
Kenneth Pap of the firm Hierogan paper. On behalf of your applicant, Vander Industrial Partners, this is the companion lot to the one that we just memorialized. There was the two lots that were off the same driveway. The one we presented to you last month was six
industrial and this is eight industrial. And this the property that we're presenting to you is consistent with the subdivision that you approved last month. If we just could have someone confirm receipt of our notices and establish that jurisdiction has been taken place.
>> Notice has been received and we have jurisdiction. >> Thank you. >> This is an application for preliminary and final major site plan approval for an industrial building in the industrial park that's on industrial court. Um, I
think think this is the fifth and I think we have one more left that's in the in the queue. We probably be here in about 60 days with the last one. It's a 57,000 plus or minus square foot building with approximately little less
than 7,000 as office space. Um, it is immediately adjacent to the building that we presented to you when we were here last month and it's very similar in size and scope. Um, the presentation will be succinct. Your professional staff has directed that we be succinct
and direct in our presentation. We have spent time with your professionals. U we've spent considerable time working with your professionals. And as I'm sure you are aware, we have gone to the environmental commission. We have gone to spend time with Chief Prock now and all of those recommendations have been
incorporated into the plan. We have our county final approval. We have our free old soil conservation district approval. We have a letter from Mr. Christopher Loberto indicating our soils are suitable for on-site septic. So all of the prerequisites are in place. The
presentation will be made by Jay Patel. Jay Patel is Peter Strong's partner pet and he's an engineer with Crest followed by Steve Rodosti assuming that Miss I know that Miss Beam has spent considerable time on the architecture
with Mr. Rodosti and I'll defer to Miss Beam as to whether we need to present his testimony but he's here with us. And finally, Scott Kennel is here and his testimony is merely to confirm the separation of the two parking areas. The trucks have been separated from the
cars. And in every other respect, the the design is consistent with what we presented to you the last time. So with that as the outline and with the goal of being as succinct as your professionals have requested, I'll ask if we could have Mr. Patel sworn in >> and share his credentials.
>> If you could just raise you could just raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're going to give is the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So I help you God. >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. And could you please state your full name and spell your last name for the record? >> Sure. My name is J. Patel. P A T E L.
I'm with the quest engineer professional engineer with the state of New Jersey. >> Mr. Patel, if you could take just a few moments to share your credentials with the board. >> Yes. Uh I have a professional engineers
license as well as professional planners license in state of New Jersey and my both licenses are current and valid. >> May I ask Mr. Chair that you allow Mr. Patel to testify? He'll testify this evening as a professional engineer. >> Absolutely. Thank you.
>> Okay. And Mr. Patel, you have an exhibit on your board and there's an exhibit that is on the screen. That's the exhibit that's on the screen is A17. And that is the exhibit. >> Which exhibit would you like? >> I like to
>> I can appreciate the easel, but like they really can't see it and they're looking at the the >> So like focus on the screen. >> You got it. >> And see what what it is that we're looking at. >> So A17 Who's controlling them?
>> Me. >> Is it A17? >> I don't know. >> Oh, >> this was the question. >> You have You got the right up. So, I'm going to ask I'm going to just take you through the site plan elements in >> as efficiently as we can.
>> Sure. If you, it's my understanding this is one of six industrial lots that this lot is generally flat and that the grading scheme that you are employing has all of the storm water still traveling in the same direction before and after the the site development.
>> That is correct. >> And it's my understanding that there is a storm water system that has been designed on site. It has been designed to be 100% compliant with the township's requirements, the D's requirements. It's private and creates no burden on the township. >> That is correct.
>> And ultimately the storm water from this site will go into the regional basin that handles the entire industrial part of park part. >> That is correct. >> And there's comments from the staff from Ms. Newman with regard to storm water. I'm trust that you can and you will address all of those outstanding technical requirements.
>> Yes, we will address all these comments. >> There's some testimony required with regard to a parking lot and circulation, but since Mr. Kendall is here. I'm going to ask that he speak to that. Only if you could identify on the exhibit that the parking for the cars and the the loading for the trucks are completely
separate from one another and have separate driveways. >> Yes, they do. The on the east uh west side of the building there is a park access drive is provided for the car parking spaces. on the west side I'm
sorry on the east side there is a loading docks uh with access ram uh going to the building provided seven loading docks and 32 parking spaces are provided when we were here last month we
had a discussion about adequacy of trash and recycling storage and the idea was advanced that the we should make our our our enclosure larger and we made it 24 ft long so that three separate dumpsters
could be accommodated and that's in the the companion or sister lot. Are you able to do the same for this lot? >> Yes, we can do the 24 ft wide um trash enclosure. >> So, the trash enclosure will be as shown on the plan, but we'll expand it as we
did on the other one for good reason. And lastly, there's an element there's a monument sign that was designed by the architect, but it's I think it's important to identify where that monument sign is located. >> So, the monument uh sign is located on the west side driveway along the wayside
driveway uh right between the building and the industrial court. >> We the the landscaping element on this plan was reviewed by Miss Spiro. She did before she left this evening advise me that she was comfortable and I think
that she so advised your professionals who can share that with you. What we just did as efficiently as I could is the elements of a site plan are grading, drainage, circulation, parking, lighting, landscaping, trash enclosure, and sign right out of the statute. I
preserve the right to do circulation and parking with Mr. Kennel. Are you comfortable advising the board that you've spoken to the board's professionals, reviewed their staff reports, and that you can and you will address the outstanding technical requirements? >> Yes, we will address all those comments
uh satisfactory to the propositions. >> I do not mean to be unduly swift, but that concludes the presentation of the engineer on this site. >> Thank you. Uh are there any questions from members of the board? Okay, seeing none.
>> Okay. >> Um >> I'm going to ask for permission to bring Mr. Odasi and ask Miss Beam if she wishes to hear from him at all. >> Mr. Chair, as you know, Mr. Odassi has been here on numerous applications and has a great working relationship with my
office. I have absolutely zero concern with the architecture and the sign. And I know that his office will work with our office to make sure that whatever it is that ultimately results out here will be something that the town will be proud of.
>> I agree. >> As long as the chair and the board are comfortable, Mr. Redi will stay in his seat and I'll go to Mr. Scott Kennel. >> That acceptable? >> It's acceptable. >> Okay, then. Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Kennel.
Mr. panel. We need to have sworn. >> Good evening. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're going to give is the whole truth and nothing but the truth? So, I help you God. >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. Could you please just state your full name and spell your last name for the record? >> Scott Kennel, Ken Nel, with Mcdana and
Ray Associates located at 1431 Lakewood Road, Manisquam. >> And Mr. Kennel has testified before the board as a traffic expert on numerous occasions. They asked that he be so noted as an expert. >> Absolutely. Thank you. >> I be we this is the industrial park. We
have gone over the industrial park elements with the board in detail. I think the focus needs to be on the parking lot and the traffic and and the loading area. If you could just describe how they function and their adequacy and the fact that we have 30 foot aisles and why we have 30 foot aisles.
>> Yes. Well, as was testified earlier, we have uh segregated the passenger parking lot to the west, separating that from the uh tractor trailers and loading zones. We provide 32 parking spaces where 29 are required. So, we meet the
ordinance as far as the parking supply and the driveway onto industrial court provides safe and efficient means of access for the passenger vehicles. as it relates to the loading area. Consistent with the discussion on the prior application that was memorialized
tonight, we are going to work with the boards uh with Laura Newman's office and tweak and modify the access for the loading area out to industrial court. And one of the things we considered was widen that from 30 feet to 36 feet as
well as modify the curb returns to address the comments raised by her office. And those that expanded width beyond the 24 ft was also a recommendation of Chief Prock. Now, if I recall correctly, >> that's my understanding. Yes.
>> Okay. And the um we're not relying on EV charging stations to reach our parking count. We we achieved that without doing so. Mr. Chair, I have nothing further of Mr. Kennel. This is the companion as you can see from the exhibit. The lot that
is located to the east is the one that we addressed when we were here the last at last month. We share that driveway and the driveway is going to be reviewed by Laura as to the driveway radi. So >> I think you're the only attorney that actually has the honesty of that EV
parking thing. I don't think anybody else even brings that up. So it's it's >> I he usually I think he knows where I stand. >> Yeah. It's pretty cool though, you know. >> A time or two. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um Mr. Mr. Chair, if I could, I do have one question and can I apologize? I probably should have asked it of Mr.
Patel. It appears as though your vehicular parking area abut sidewalk which directly abuts the building without um protective devices. >> Ballards. >> Would you agree to put in Ballards? >> Yeah, Ballards. Sure. >> I don't think we need them on the
loading side, but definitely on the parking side. >> That's fine. >> There's a If I There's a series of waiverss that I think we should address. The first waiver is is has to do with the width of the driveway where we're asking to be 30 or 36 so that we can
accommodate the the um tractor trailers. That's the first waiver. The second waiver is the um all areas between the parking and the building shall be landscaped where we have no landscaping gets one side of the building. What we've done in the past
and we'll gladly offer is we we're although we this is heavily landscaped. We can work with Sherry to distribute what landscaping would have been against the building elsewhere on site so that the site is well landscaped. There is the waiver of lighting um can't meet the
standard but we can meet the IT am I saying the right three IT standard as we have in the past and the last one is we do not have sidewalks um we're comfortable installing sidewalks
to to date on the prior applications that came before the board there was a determination that sidewalks in the industrial park were not required but we deferred refer to you. We we we have no issue installing them if if it is the board's direction. Those are the
waiverss and there are no variances with this project. >> The only additional waiver, Ken, is the height of the light pole. >> Oh, we have a 25 foot light pole where your ordinances permits 24. Whoops. It'll be 24. >> So, you're going to comply.
>> You're going to comply. >> Well, we will comply. We're not going to. Thank you very much. >> The one item we had just that there's pavement. So that's in keeping with all >> interesting. Okay. Got it.
>> That Mr. Chair, members of the board concludes the applicant's direct presentation on this site. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Chair. I would take no exception to the request for the waiver for the sidewalk, especially in this area. But we have not required sidewalk on any of the prior applications
>> and honestly we don't really want to encourage walking. So >> now this is a this is a great development over there and this is where >> stuff like this belongs. Um any questions from members of the board? Seeing none uh there are no members of
the public here so I will close the public portion. Um, at this time I will entertain a motion. >> Motion to approve. >> Mr. McNicholas makes a motion to approve. Do I have a second?
>> I'll second. >> I'm sorry. >> A second. >> Um, >> second. >> Oh, Mr. Gimble. Sorry. >> All right, Mr. B. Yes,
>> Mr. Gamble. >> Yes, >> Mr. McNicholas. >> Yes, >> Councilman Rebell. >> Yes, >> Mr. Wetco. >> Yes, >> M. Core. >> Yes, >> Chairman Huzer. >> Yes. >> Motion carry. >> Thank you.
>> Mr. Chairman, board members, all. Thank you and good night. >> Thank you, Mr. P. >> Thank you, everyone. >> Thank you. Okay, on to our master plan update. And if we could take
a couple minutes here to discuss um Jennifer, the kind of the latest and greatest. >> So, there is going to be a re-exam a re-exam coming your way relatively soon. And I know that Councilman Rebella
is going to want to talk on this in terms of schedule, but there are definitely a number of recommendations between the subcommittee as well as the governing body that need to be included in a re-exam going to move forward relatively
quickly. Worst case scenario, worst case, the next meeting, which is May 14th, would be a public hearing, just so you're aware, will be a public hearing for the the master plan.
Better case is if Mike has the ability to get special meetings between now and then, but we have to make sure that we can be compliant with the notice. So, for example,
the earliest I understand the governing body wants this done ASAP. So, there's an emergent issue on this master plan. The earliest we can have it, the earliest is the 23rd, which would mean the notice would have to be out on
Monday. Meaning the document would have to be out, sent to the county and the state and the clerks of the adjoining municipalities as well as posted on the website to get it on the 23rd. That is the earliest we can do it.
And their meeting is the 28th. So there's a request to see if there's the ability between the 23rd and the 28th, which is the 23rd, the 24th, and the 27th to have a special meeting for a master plan public hearing.
>> So, uh, Jen, just let's just address this as we go because it's going to get complicated the further we get into this. >> Um, in having discussions with members of the board, I think we're going to shoot for 423 as a special meeting. So, Jen, so
Eileen's not in on Monday to do the notifications. >> So, your office is going to have to notice. >> I can get the document to the county and to the state, which is the the do and to the town, right? I can get the document out,
>> but there needs to be notice to the adjoining clerks, >> right? >> Monday, and it has to be put on the website Monday. If not, we will not meet the notice requirements for the 23rd. Has to be done Monday.
>> So before we go on record that we're definitely having this, is this a possib are we confirming that all of this can be completed? >> We can do it on our end. We just need to make sure that there's five of you on your end. >> We will have five people minimum at the
planning board. Um I guess the question is the 23rd. That's Thursday, right? >> Mhm. Um, do we want to keep I I suggested 6 PM? >> I'm fine with that. >> I just threw it out there, right? Um, if 6 PM works for everybody or if
anybody >> that's fine. And if to make it easier on everyone, if you want to make it a Zoom just so we don't have to come in here, we can do that. Just so you can >> I mean, >> try and make it as I >> I would recommend in person. >> Okay. >> Uh, just for the fact that
>> it has I I would make it in person. >> Okay. Um there there's some folks that may want to actually be here from the public. >> So >> So if that's if you guys are good with the 23rd for the master plan public hearing.
>> Yes. >> We on our end have to get the notice out. Monday. Monday is the last possible day to do it to get the hearing on the 23rd. If we don't meet the notice on the on Monday, we can't have the meeting. >> And does the notice have to be out Monday? Like if it's Monday at 3:59
p.m., that still works. >> That's fine. Okay. >> Yep. >> Okay. No holidays Monday, right? >> Not that I know of. >> All right. Um 6 p.m. >> Yeah. Let's Let's So, we're going to
have that meeting 6 p.m. April 23rd in town hall and we will provide notice by Monday at the latest. So is how just from my own knowledge is that
township does Howard have to be involved like who is the involvement? >> So Howard who is playing the role of Andy Andy this evening. So he is his office is going to have to >> make sure that the documentation and
notification to the surrounding clerks and I think now it's on the website. I don't think we have to get it into the newspaper because the new notice requirements doesn't require newspaper notification. Just has to be posted on the website. So that's going to be a coordination between your office and
Lisa to make sure that those notices because the notification to the surrounding clerks have to go out by certified mail. >> Mhm. >> Our office will get it to the town, to the county, and to the office of state planning advocacy. That's also part of
the notice so that we can have the public hearing on the 23rd. >> Okay. I mean, I know we're, you know, working in the private sector, Fridays are like Fridays, but Fridays and Mondays, I mean, is that good for both of you guys that this >> Well, she's she doesn't have to do anything, so she's doesn't care.
>> Not Laura. >> We're good. >> Lisa, yeah, >> I'm ask not in Friday or Monday, so I'm really not sure. >> I'm trying to get in touch with her. We're gonna I will call tomorrow to and speak to John Gross to make sure that >> even if she's not around, someone is
available to do that and then you just have to let your office >> I'll do it. I just need to know what it needs to say exactly or whatever. It's just notifying of a meeting date. >> It's it's notifying them that we're having a public hearing on a master plan re-examination. >> Okay. >> So, I think your office probably has
sample notifications of that issue. And Howard, you're you're good or gota you make it good. Okay. Thank you. All right. So, the 23rd, that's number one. That's been taken care of. Now,
is does anything else have to happen post April 23rd? So, what will happen is if we get all of our ducks in a row and I have we have our public hearing on the re-exam on the 23rd,
it's my understanding that a number of ordinances coming out of that re-exam are going to be listed for introduction at the governing body's meeting on the 28th. >> Okay.
>> It then has to come back to us, >> right? before it can go for consistency, which obviously if we adopt a master plan that has the recommendations directly out of it, it will be consistent. But our meeting in May
>> is not >> is not until the 14th. The governing body meetings in May is the meet is the week prior, right? >> It's the 12th couple days before. >> So they cannot have their public hearing until we have consistency.
>> Okay. So, we would need a second special meeting the first week of May, which we've already bumped our meeting that Thursday because I'm assuming it's I think it's the National Day of Prayer. >> Correct. >> Right. So, we would need to have another special meeting the first week of May,
which would either have to be for May 4th, May 5th, May 6th, or May 8th. Uh, right. Okay. Um, and that's I don't want to say the recommendation of Councilman. >> And by the way, Lisa, not only are we
going to have to notice for the public hearing, you're going to have to notice for these meetings as well to happen. >> I'll make it happen. >> Okay. So, let let's So, today is April 9th. We do have a meeting next Thursday, April 16th.
Planning normal planning board meeting as scheduled. Then we would have April 23rd which would be the special meeting for the master plan. >> Then we are now looking at the week of May 4th with the exception of May 7th that we
would need to have a se second special meeting. My rec bear with me here and again we need five members of the board to be present for a quorum. Um, Jen,
>> that one probably if it's just for consistency, I would recommend virtual >> presume >> virtual >> because it's there's no public comment on consistency. It's just the board and it's is it consistent with the master
plan? It should be like a 5 10 minute situation. >> Okay. What I would recommend then is um Friday, May 8th at 10 a.m. Yep. 10 a.m. works for me. >> Okay. Let's Let's make that second
special meeting Friday, May 10th. I'm sorry, May 8th at 10:00 a.m. via Zoom. Um, is that Lee? Is that something the Zoom you set up? >> Yes. Yes.
>> Okay. I'm just loading up your your schedule and your plate there. Um, I could touch base with Eileen, too. Uh, but that's down the road. And that will have to be noticed as well. >> And that would get >> Would that have to be noticed by
>> that would have to be >> 8 hours in advance. >> That would have to be noticed by the Well, technically I guess the 6th at 10:00 a.m. So, probably the 5th. Yeah. Afternoon. Um, and that would if everything pans out as that would get you what you need for the
council >> to adopt on >> to adopt 12th >> on May 12th. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Correct. >> Everybody clear? >> Okay. And we we'll send out emails and certainly hit me up on my cell phone. Any questions? >> Consistency resolution is ready to go
that night too or that day too. So we can vote on the resolution. We can vote on the consistency and then vote on the resolution so that the governing body has the resolutions in advance of the 12th. >> Okay. And >> but Andy will be back by then. So we can >> Can we just I know he's he's uh
>> you know I know he's he's away. Excuse me. But can we >> We'll be fine. >> No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is just I don't even know if he's checking his emails in Europe, but can can just send him an email. >> I'll text him. Yep. >> This is kind of the plan just so he's not blindsided when he comes back. Um,
okay. So, to recap, >> meeting next Thursday, regular meeting, 4:23, master plan meeting, 6 pm here. Then we have a special meeting, Zoom,
Friday, May 8th, >> 10 a.m. >> 10 a.m. And then our regularly scheduled planning board meeting May 14th at 7 p.m. here. And also next week on the 16th we have to have the master plan subcommittee meeting. Correct. >> That's already noticed. That's a regular
that's a regularly noticed meeting. So that will be fine. Okay. >> I will just let you know though, Mike, that >> in order to meet this schedule, the document is going to have to be done and filed Monday before our meeting. So like
if you guys have things to say, the ship is out just sailed. Like if you want to change things, the schedule will no longer meet the schedule. That's going to be >> upcoming Monday. >> It has to be out Monday in order to meet the the notice requirements for the
23rd. So we can go over it and we can always amend it afterwards. >> But at the end of the day, the document has to be on file, ready to go Monday. Our meeting is Thursday. So, if you guys have things to say, we cannot change it
before the hearing on the 23rd because the notice is out on Monday. >> Got it. Okay. >> Right. Once we have the intro at the council level though, we can have comments on it on the 20th. >> You can, but if you make substantive changes, we start over. So, you can't
just say the introduction is great, but we want to change XYZ. Once you change XYZ, >> starts over. >> We start over. >> Yeah. cuz I I have a question about like the uh this the minimum lot septic uh
>> in the letter I just had I >> so right now we don't have jurisdiction over approving of septic >> oh not not like an approving a septic thing but isn't it administrative code like 79A or >> whatot so we have in our ordinance a
requirement that you have to have 40,000 square feet to have a septic although we have no jurisdiction over approving a septic And we have zones that have 15,000 foot lots >> over like in the Hollywood section. >> Yeah.
>> That have no sewer. And these people have to come to the zoning board to get approval to build a house with a septic which we have no jurisdiction over because we have something in our ordinance that requires that they they require a variance. It's ridiculous.
We've And by the way, if you go through the zoning board's annual report for the past five years, six years, eight years, 10 years, every single year, they recommend getting rid of it because they grant the relief every time because we
have no jurisdiction. >> Uhhuh. >> So, we have no jurisdiction over it. So, therefore, there's no reason to keep it in our ordinance when we have no jurisdiction. If you said no, well, it's not coming to you. It's coming to the zoning board. They said no and we got sued,
>> we'd be beat. So, there's no reason to keep it in. That's why we're getting rid of it. >> Yeah. My my qu Yeah. My question was just like the at the state level, the administrative code 79A. I'm just saying like 16 17 years ago, I put my septic in
on Hollywood. I live on Hollywood >> and uh I had to read the code like >> they still need approval. They still need approval, but we don't do the approval here. >> But yeah, like I I go through the Mammoth County Board of Health like like
I I I physically put my septic in myself and the Mammoth County Board of Health told me I wasn't allowed to do it because I needed a septic or plumber like at all what we're trying to do. We're saying that we're we have required a minimum lot area that is uninforcable.
>> Uhhuh. >> And we need to stop. And that's what the recommendation is that we are not going to regulate the lot area because we don't regulate the septic installation. >> Uhuh. >> Because >> but the size of the septic is based on >> that has nothing to do with it. That has
nothing to do with it. This is lot area only. >> But yeah. Yeah. But the but the but that's at the municipal level. That's a that's through ordinance. That's enforced. It's not THROUGH >> IT'S NOT ENFORCED. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING to tell you. We do not have jurisdiction to say if you have a 15,000
foot lot, you're not allowed to have a septic system. We're not allowed to say that. Our ordinance right now says we are, but we're not. And therefore, we're going to get rid of that because we do not have jurisdiction over septic. You still have to go to the board of health,
but we don't have the jurisdiction to say if you don't have an acre, you can't have a septic system because, by the way, then you would not be able to build your house. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm on a halfacre. >> That's my point. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> That we're trying to get rid of that ordinance requirement, which is
uninforceable. Has nothing to do with the approval of septic, the approval of the borings, the distance from a septic from a well. Simply we say you have to have an acre which we cannot enforce. >> Mhm. >> And so we're getting rid of it because
>> if you go through so it's it's going to like so there's less people applying for varying for >> correct because we don't we say yes every time >> because we don't have the jurisdiction to say no. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's costing them $2,000 to come to the board. >> Oh yeah. That's all I was just I was
just >> that's why we're getting rid of it. >> Yeah. >> No problem. No, seriously. I was It was just a question. >> It's It's been an ongoing issue with the zoning board in the in the annual report for like the past eight years.
>> Yeah. >> Every single time they come, we grant relief. But but I I I was just asking the question because I didn't know if like maybe a just like instead of just giving that like that the the not having the
jurisdiction at all like the state and the board of health doesn't have a minimum lot area for the septic >> but they have requirements over the soil conditions and the separation >> for for sizing of it. Yeah. >> And so we >> and like how many beds >> are no longer going to require an acre.
We're gonna get rid of that >> because number one, we don't enforce it. We can't enforce it. And if we did enforce it, we'd get sued and we would lose. >> I just didn't know if like maybe like making that size a little bit smaller, like saying a half acre or something. >> We have no we have no jurisdiction over
the septic, so we're not going to regulate it. >> No problem. >> Yeah. No. >> Like we don't even inspect them. The board of health approves and inspects them. Yeah. They're >> absolutely. That's what that's just that was my question. Oh, no problem. >> Going back to the notice on Monday, are
are you saying we're not going to be able to see it at all before it's noticed or we're getting >> You're not going to be able to see it all before it's notice? Absolutely not. Tomorrow's Friday. >> We actually >> So, we're just going to have to go in blind through the whole process. >> So, how about this? What if instead not to blow everything up that we just
discussed, >> you said the 23rd, 24th, or 27th. What if we made it the 27th so that you had a couple extra days backing out 10day notice so that we could see it before it's noticed because that how how can we just put it in without seeing it and
then we get down the path and then it it defeats the purpose of doing all these special meetings if we have to make changes if we can't see it before it goes in. >> I understand. I understand. >> So if we did the 27th, what would that push the notice date back to next Wednesday or Thursday? So, it at least maybe give us a couple days before that
to >> three more days >> see it. Yeah. >> I'll be honest. Um I with all due respect, Councilman, and I and I agree. I I wholeheartedly agree with what everybody's saying here, but to your point, right, we have a board
here that's not going to really have time to digest this. and the grand scheme of things and I know with sense of urgency move move to get these these ordinances I get it 100% the same token we need to understand what's going on
before we all vote as a board right an individual board so will those three extra days I don't know I like those three extra days are key agreed but if we
if we keep it as is right That's just buying what? Two two weeks. >> Yeah. >> 15 days, 16 days, something like that, right? >> Yeah. >> Where we would all have a chance to get it. And that would put you guys It would still
make the 514 though, correct? >> 512 >> or 512? >> No, it would get pushed back to the 28th. >> So that would be your second meeting. >> No, because our first meeting in May is the 14th. So their meeting in May is before us. We need to go first.
>> H. Okay, I see. >> It's a lot of time for things to >> No, I I hear you, Mike. I hear you. >> That's why I'm saying do we make the 27th and at least gives us maybe a couple days to see it has to be noticed and just make time. I mean, I I understand >> Yeah,
>> let me put it. I understand that this is >> an incredibly accelerated schedule and we in my time on the planning board, we've never had to do special meetings like this in such a short period of time. So, I understand it's it's a big ask, but this is really >> Well, it doesn't even buy us. I mean,
you're saying to the 27th to Monday? >> Yeah, because then your notice your notice date isn't this Monday. It gets pushed back what, three or four days. So then we have the ability to have to see it before it gets noticed Wednesday or Thursday next week. We actually have a couple days to review it before it can't
be changed. >> You can and now if you see something on Monday >> or Tuesday. >> Yeah. >> And that gives you enough time to change it by the Thursday. The changes could be done and all >> and then still be submitted on Thursday.
I mean, provided we don't we're not like ripping the thing down and rebuilding it. If it's just a couple minor changes, I would think if we had something on Monday or Tuesday and sent red lines and said, "Hey, can you change this and this and this?" >> Put out on Thursday then that >> I mean, depends on the comments like
like Mike said, I mean, if it's like typos and adding like little things, >> that's fine. But to meet the 27th deadline requires it to go out on the 16th. And that means out by certified
mail before the post office closes >> to the state and the county, which would require us to get the thing done in the next day. You're sitting here listening to this, right? >> And get it out on Monday.
But if there's a substantive concern, there's no way we're going to solve a substantive issue in a day. >> That's what I'm asking. Like what's the like like the plan now to send it out on Monday, right? And I'll say Monday something comes up and says, you know what, we we do have to change this. What's the flexibility to change that by
Thursday? >> If you >> we can make we can make like technical changes. I'm saying, >> but if it's a substantive issue that requires research and stuff like that, I can't guarantee that we're going to have the information that you need by Thursday. Yes. And I understand that
this is crazy fast and it would have been crazy fast if we had the meeting today as well. It just I need you guys to understand though that even if you push it to the 27th, which we haven't even discussed is available, but if you do,
the document will still need to be done and out before the subcommittee meeting on Thursday because we can't come here at 6:30 and have a discussion. >> Understood. But could we still get an advanced copy of it before? >> Yes, of course. Yeah, that's that's all I'm asking for is so that we have a
couple days in advance copy to look through it. And I I trust me, I understand if we say you need to redo three pages of it, you're not going to get that done, right? >> If if if you say it's 35% coverage and we say, can you make it 33%, you know, like that could be changed. >> But I also want you to recognize that
the master plan document is not going to be a regurgitation of any ordinance that you introduce. It's not going to be reszone block X lot Y to this. It's going to be general recommendations. Review the zoning designation in central
Howell. Look at potential opportunities for mixed use in South Howell. It's not going to be super specific to the point where it's like we're going to do this block, this lot, this designation. It's going to be more general, which you can
still use as a recommendation that you're relying upon in the ordinance portion of it, but the ordinances are not going to be regurgitated in this document if they're not. So, I just don't want anyone to understand, you know, it's going to be things like
review the potential for providing coverage requirements, build building coverage and lot coverage in the R zones. the the recommendations are going to be more general because overall you're not going to do this every five minutes. And you need these recommendations to be
more generalized so that you can utilize them over time for a variety of ordinances >> as opposed to one specific ordinance. >> So you're not going to get to that level of specificity in this document. >> You're going to see that in your ordinance,
>> right? which would we then have time to tweak if we needed to. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. >> Well, I think that works to the benefit, too. >> I agree. If you broader, then you can utilize it for more ordinances overall as opposed to just one. >> Right. >> Right.
>> Exactly. >> All right. So, now who is available on Monday, April 27th at 6 p.m.? >> Yeah. One, two, three. I can do it four. >> Would it be devastating to make it
seven? >> It would not be devastating >> that night. >> You just got to buy everybody stakes. >> Oh, there's zoning board. >> So, it would have to be earlier. And you guys have done a planning board before zoning, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, if we did it at 5:00, we could be out of
>> Are they Do they start at six? They start at seven, right? >> They start at seven. >> Um Brian, you can't do six. >> You sure? >> Yeah. Okay, Dylan. >> Okay, no problem. >> After then, y' should be fine.
>> Okay. All right, let's shoot now for April 27th at 6 p.m. >> No more April 23rd. >> No more April 23rd. April 23rd has been rescheduled to April 27th
>> in person. >> 6 p.m. in person. >> Yep. >> And notice for that would be what date now? three days. So that would be Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, right? Thursday of next week. It would be the date of our planning board meeting. We'll see each
other before that. We will see each other next Thursday. >> So it needs to be noticed by the 16th and we would be able to get an advanced copy a few days before that. >> We'll try to get it out at least by end of day Monday. Okay. >> End of day Monday. >> End of day Monday. >> That's great.
>> Can you be more specific on end of day because that's not all I'm joking. Um, >> end of day could be 1 in the morning sometimes. >> 12 11:59 >> E Od. >> Yeah. Business. End of business. Right. By 4:30 p.m.
>> Thank you. >> But if you guys are going to have comments, number one, respond individually. Do not respond. Yes. >> To all. >> Yes. >> And if you have a comment, you got to get it back to us ASAP. If you're not going to give us comment till like Wednesday afternoon, it's not getting
incorporated. It's got to be back like quickly. >> Not that you want your offices office phones ringing. I would recommend picking up the phone rather than >> shooting an email.
>> Call me, text me, whatever. >> Yeah. >> Or call the office and ask for Kira because she's honestly going to be the one doing the work. I'm just going to be the one doing the work. She's actually >> Okay. I I I would highly recommend that >> as long as we have a written log
somewhere of what the comments were just so we have to >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But I understand. Yeah. It's It's always quicker to call someone. >> Yeah. >> Good. >> All right. Thank you everybody for this. >> And that pushing that back doesn't mess with the 58 date. >> No.
>> Okay. Good. >> Be quiet. No. Thank you. I appreciate it. >> Date is staying right. >> Correct. the Zoom at 10:00. >> Yep. >> 10 a.m. Yep. >> All right. Um, there's no reason to go into executive session. So, at this
time, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Nick Nicholas for the motion. Thank you, everybody.