##VIDEO ID:UvnIlkVSOLE## [Music] Township of Howell zoning Board of adjustment Monday January 13 2025 I hereby declare this meeting of the Howell Township zoning board to be open adequate notice having been given pursuant to the New Jersey open public meeting act in the following manner first on January 2nd 2025 a copy of said notice was emailed to the Asbury Park Press and the Star Ledger second on January 2nd 2025 a copy of said notice was hand delivered to the clerk of the township of Howell third on January 2nd 2025 said notice was posted in the office of the plant zoning board and on the bulletin board in the Howell Township Municipal Building 4567 Route 9 Howell Township New Jersey in accordance with the fire prevention code and for your safety please be advised that this facility is designed with two emergency exits at the front and rear of the meeting room furthermore smoking is not permitted in the municipal building please take note that this meeting is being videotaped for POS possible future broadcast on how Township TV 77 thank you so at this point in the meeting we we have uh I guess new members and reappointed members who need to take their Oaths we have Mr Ryan Miss scotson uh Mr caner and Mr karakus if that's correct and odonnell oh and Mr odonnell we have I'm oh yes Point um if you want to all stand we could you could take your Ro collectively if that's okay I state your name do solemnly swear swear that I will Faithfully will impartially and justly perform all the duties of the office of Zoning Board member to the best of my ability and I will support the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of New Jersey and I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same I willar true faith and Al to the and to the governments established in the United States United States and in this state in St under the authority of the people so help me congratulations and I we'll have for each of you you can get from eile you have to just uh your of office you can sign before the meeting congratulations to all um at this point in the meeting we have the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible justice for all um at this point in the meeting do we have nominations for chairman of the zoning board I'd like to nominate Rich Martens please second oh second any others seeing none uh ien call the rooll Mr burillo yes Mr cancer yes Mr Hughes yes Mr merens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes Mr cabakis yes congratulations Mr meron thank you very much I am going to happily turn the meeting to the I bet you are to you sir anyway I want to thank everybody especially my colleagues for your vote and confidence I got big shoes to fill but I'm sure with you guys working and our professionals eileene and John looking forward to it so thank you so our next order of business is our vice chairman do I have a nomination I'd like to nominate Matt ugh as Vice chairman do I have a second second roll call Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr kabarak gu yes congratulations Matt thank you congratulations do my best next is uh nomination for secretary I'd like to nominate Glenn caner for secretary second second by uh Matt do we a roll call please Mr villo yes Mr caner uh yes Mr Hughes yes yes Mr merens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr cabz yes congratulations Glenn thank you nice to have you on board next uh order of business here is our professionals Consulting attorney do I have a nomination I'd like to nominate The Firm of pashman Stein Walder and Hayden and Andrew Bayer do I have a second second second by Matt roll call Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Martens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr cabakis yes okay now the next will be Consulting engineer do I have a motion I make a motion that we nominate T&M Associates Charles conliff second is that Mr Hughes for a second yes Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Martens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr karakus yes congratulations Charlie good to have you back thank you I look forward to working with you for another year okay great Andy I'm sorry I meant to congratulate you as well thank you as well Mr a little first mistake but I want to make sure that you weren't forgotten I look forward to working with the board as well thank you for everyone's support next is Consulting planner do I have a motion I make a motion Mr chairman that we nominate or that we will nominate Jennifer beam of Leon S avakian incorpor second I'll second that motion roll call Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr cabakis yes congratulations Jennifer as always it's good to have you on board thank you so much 100% thank you last um we have our certified tree expert do I have a nomination Mr chairman I nominate The Firm of CMA Associates and Sherie M speiro second second by Matt roll call Mr barello yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Orosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scottson yes and Mr cabakis yes congratulations Sherry as I said uh nine years ago you and Jennifer the only ones that are familiar faces in here so we come a long way so anyway welcome back thank you Mr chairman yes may I just add that I want to express for the record our appreciation for the service that the professionals provide to us um you make us look good and we learned so much from you so thank you very much for doing this for us thank you you ditto okay administrator administrative officer do I have a motion make a motion for Eileen Kusa do you I have a second second an Marie roll call Mr Billo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr cabakis yes congratulations Eileen I guess e too anyway good to have you back and I mean say thank you appreciate it and John welcome back even though we don't have to vote for you it's still good to see you stuck with me regardless yeah okay let's move on um secretary oh that's right okay recording secretary do I have a motion I'll make a motion for Eileen cusa uh Mr Hughes you're the recording secretary from last year no that's the secretary of the board isn't recording secretary yeah last year we we nominated both e to both of these positions oh okay sorry yeah so you have are we correcting that or you are okay okay arene so I guess you have double duty then okay you act as you do you are the you are recording as we speak okay okay roll call on that I don't know if we had a second to second okay and Marie roll call Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan sure miss scotson yes and Mr kavaris yes thank you okay we do have the 2025 meeting dates we have a resolution for that um John did you see the dates by any chance yes okay good okay so I need a motion for the meeting dates for 2025 motion motion to approve the meeting dates a second roll call Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr merens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr cabakis yes resolution approved okay Andy do we have to make a former motion on the newspapers or is that set by the council no you should do that because it's advertisement of this board's meeting yes okay so we have a motion for the As Park Press in the Star Ledger as the official newspaper of the board do I have a motion I'll make a motion second second by an Marie motion uh roll call Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr karakus yes Mr chairman I'm not sure I guess the township we'll have to talk to the township The Star Ledger I don't think publishes or they're not going to they're getting out of the ad business okay I read that I think the legislature is working on this issue but uh I we have a so we're okay but uh you know we'll have if we have to figure anything else out I'll report back appreciate it Andrew okay the site Review Committee we're going to have one change because now that Glenn is our secretary he moves up to the rules committee and I would like to uh ask that Tom Odon will be our chair on the site committee review would you be yes I'd be happy to do that okay thanks Tom and I'd like to keep Mike and Nick on board for next year so we don't need a motion on that right you have no no no I don't believe we have so the rules committee is Al dictated too by um myself Matt and Glenn so that's all so we can get to the regular meeting right now uh first are there any minutes to approve no minutes to approve tonight correspondence no correspondents tonight okay Andy could we swear into the professionals do you swear the testimony you give will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth the help you got I do do please State your names for the record Charles conliff Jennifer beam Shar Spiro your professionals are sworn Mr chairman thank you Andy okay resolutions the first one we have is 2024 yearly review resolution constituting the 2024 yearly review and Report do I have a motion I'll make a motion to approve do I have a second second by Nick Roll call Mr burillo yes Mr caner yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr odonnell yes Mr Rosco yes Mr Ryan yes Miss scotson yes and Mr karakus yes resolution approved okay and we have one more this will be how medical investors LLC a resolution granting use variant in preliminary and final site plan elgible voters would be burillo Hughes Mertens Ryan and scotson do I have a motion motion to approve by next second that okay by Mike roll call Mr burillo yes Mr Hughes yes Mr Mertens yes Mr Ryan yes and Miss scotson yes resolution approved okay we have one application before the board so I will read it at this time case number ba 23-6 Gateway industrial 175 LLC type it would be a use variance application Gateway industrial 175 LLC is applicant seeking use variance approval to construct 13,940 ft² Warehouse with associate office space on proposed lot 30.02 Associated site improvements include trailer parking passenger car parking lots storm water infrastructure utility connections off-site water main extension lighting and Landscaping on the premise known as block 49 lots 30.01 lots 31.0 and 45.02 and 46.01 Lakewood Farmingdale Road expiration is February 28th 2025 Mr chairman yes I'm sorry before you start I noticed that there's a troop of Boy Scouts in here are you are you here as Witnesses or just to watch our Pro our proceedings also well I would invite you to ask any questions um probably about 50 years ago I did the same thing I'm an eagle scout so I know exactly what you're doing and that's why I recognize you but please ask questions if you have any yeah thank you for that okay thanks for coming so no that's fine I'm glad you okay Mr P good to see you happy New Year Happy New Year to you and support good evening canth p from high alurn Pape on behalf of your applicant this is as you've read into the record a request by the applicant Gateway 175 for this board to consider it's a D3 variance as well as preliminary final site plan the um we intend to present the witnesses Lewis zugner the professional engineer Melissa rub the architect Scott Kennel the traffic expert and Allison coff and the professional planner we did not bifurcate the application per se it's filed as one application but we will present all of the proofs for the D3 variance relief and the associated U variance relief uh I think that the the complexity of the application is such that um if the board is moves forward with the D3 relief we can return and complete the site plan presentation just thought I set set the stages how we intended to present okay uh would you prefer we swear in all the professionals first and then when they come up individually we can do their qualifications that is a real courtesy and I think that would be fine okay thank you do you swear the testimony you give will be the truth the whole truth nothing but the truth I do please St your names for the record my name is LS zner z g n r Alison coffin C Melissa Scott Kennel k n e l professionals are sworn Mr P thank you so Mr Zer it's going to be our first so I just need your qualifications and then we're all set if I before I qualify Mr Z if I might just statement okay this um our client's property is just is 49 plus acres the use that we're requesting a warehouse use is a conditionally permitted use it is not a use that is forbidden in the zone it's actually in the zone it's embodied as a conditionally permitted use the two conditions that we do not meet are we are 49 plus acres and the maximum develop development is 10 acres you will hear that the applicant is restricting their development to 10 acres so all of the controls that are built into the ordinance to make certain that the 30% of 10 acres is the maximum impervious and Max there's also a maximum building size all of those are honored notwithstanding that our clients have a greater parcel they're not developing the roughly 39 Acres the second is that the property the warehouse is to be serviced by sanitary sewer when the ordinance it was passed it was a condition that development of a warehouse required a sanitary sewer facility we went to the different sewer purveyors we went to Mr nun who is the the sanitary sewer engineer in town we went to the masan River Regional sewage Authority um there was considerable confusion between them that got resolved but not in a way that was favorable this property is outside of the 208 area it this although all the other properties around it and the warehouse next door all the industrial buildings are in the 208 and have sewer the state of New Jersey did not designate this property as being in the 208 we're not allowed to have sewer so we're asking for permission to develop the property with a septics system those are the two conditions of the of the ordinance that the applicant was not was unable to address and we're going to provide Pro proofs this evening on both points we have been working on this project for since 2019 and the plans that are before you are not the plans that we started with the plans have evolved considerably the building has been reduced considerably really all towards the goal of making certain that the development that we're asking you to consider favorably is consistent with the restrictions on a 10 acre parcel presentation will be by initially by Mr zner Mr zner will introduce the property take us through the design elements to go through some of the staff reports M rub Melissa rub is the architect who's designed the building and we Miss rubs testimony presenting the architecture and the interior layout of that building Scott Kennel is our traffic expert he provided the report that the applicant relies upon I'm going to ask that he go through that report with us and point out parking circulation emergency vehicle movements as well as our connections to the adjacent roadway system and finally the professional planner Allison coffin has the responsibility of bringing it all together I'm optimistic that we will be able to move through all four Witnesses this evening I will ask for a break for our court reporter sometime an hour hour and a half in with your permission absolutely no problem well thank you and with that I'm going to ask if Mr zner has been sworn to could begin by sharing his credentials and then we'll go right right into his exhibits and his substantive presentation great thank you good evening again Lewis zner I'm a licensed professional engineer engineer in the state of New Jersey uh graduate of Virginia Tech been practicing in this field for over 25 years testified before numerous planning and zoning boards including this board in the past uh founding principal of the firm midatlantic engineering and uh hopefully you'll find me acceptable yeah we accept your credentials well good to see you again than thank you Mr Z before you begin your substantive presentation if you could identify the exhibits of on which you rely will identify them by exhibit number there's the exhibit chart if you need to reference that but just so that uh just Mr agar is able to sure there uh four different colored exhibits which I would expect to work with this evening one is a30 that's a location map uh another is a31 that's a Property Holdings map uh the main one will be a32 and I think you've seen me Ed before colored rendering of the site which is really an amalgam of all the plan elements and colored for ease of following and then I also have with me this evening a33 which is the sewer service area refers to what Mr P discussed earlier about the sewer service area do we need any marked our secretary these are all exhibits that are in your exhibit charge okay okay if you would I think it' be prudent to should just begin with an overview locate the the property for the board talk about existing conditions and then we'll do an overview of the proposed development plan that' be great and perhaps we could start with exhibit a30 the location map excellent thank you uh so this exhibit this is obviously an aerial image of the region and helps us locate where we are you can see in a purple color this is the extent of all of the existing properties which are focus of the application they will be merged as part of this application into one uh this site sits at call the southern end of Central Avenue uh Business Park you can see numerous larger buildings industrial buildings just above this property running up and down along the right hand side uh this is Lakewood Farmingdale Road it continues out ultimately to 195 at exit 31 that's about a oh thank you sir careful I know this this is going to be we'll see how I do but so board members be warned that's a laser yeah I don't need a haircut uh so up and down the plan this is what I was talking about uh this is Lakewood Farmingdale Road it's about a mile and a half out to 195 that entire length which I'm sure you're familiar is you know mostly commercial or industrial uses not entirely but mostly uh across from us across the street this about you know close to a th000 feet of property mostly owned as njde lands before it gets to the golf course so this is um preserved lands that some level uh and then you can see there's some extensive Woods to the rear of our property and as we get into it uh what we'll start to focus on is our developable area and the area we're looking at this application is towards the road or towards the front of this site and just south of the other commercial buildings uh the entirety of that purple area is just under 50 acres so as a framework of reference there are wetlands on the site we have been to D we do have a letter of interpretation uh and the up lenss developable portion of this property is proximately 16 acres and we'll get into how this zone is a 10 acre Zone and what our footprint looks like within that uh might be worthwhile if we just wanted to look at I could show other Property Holdings just just before we do I wanted to share something I know this is the third time in the last i' take 10 years that I had the opportunity to present the building in this industrial park to either the planning board or the zoning board and the very first time we did an Oprah to see if we could find the original approvals and we were surprised there are no original approvals there were no approvals for these buildings these buildings appear to have been built by government a very long time ago and when we did an Oprah looking for the approvals we came up that there were none so the buildings that are in this Industrial Park are there um two of them we've presented to the board and modified the uses so that they do now have a history um but the property that we're presenting to you is is part of that original parcel of property that was government owned that our clients acquired thank you you're welcome uh if we might uh just briefly look at exhibit a31 so again beginning to bring us into and start to see where on on the property in question in purple where we will uh be proposing development uh and then through notes and other reference starts to show it's a lighter blue color so it's a little hard to follow but a number of those most of those surrounding commercial buildings there is some contiguous uh uh continuity between ownership and operation in this area so it is functioning as a a commercial segment with different properties and we are proposing to be part of that overall U commercial development and commercial use just thought it was worth briefly seeing that there is some continuation of ownership it doesn't necessarily affect our parcel or our application in front of you but just that it's not entirely Standalone um and then if we could uh go to exhibit a830 I I'm sorry not a30 a32 so now we're down looking in specifically in a portion of what seen it's that overall parcel developing Development Area right along Lakewood Farmingdale Road which you can see on the right hand side and as sort of an overview to this application we are in the S1 Special Economic Development District Mr papid talked to you about how we are in conditional use uh that there is not public sewer available because we're not in the sewer service area not that it's that far away uh we are working with New Jersey American to bring water to this site and I'll go into that a little bit so we would have water but we would not have public sewer we' be on a septic system you can see in this clearly we a single building it would be a multi-tenant building and I can talk about how there' be three offices or up to three offices in that configuration uh the single building and was talked about in the opening 13,940 Square ft throughout this process of design this has been significantly reduced but that's what's before you now uh office space would be around 7500 7,541 Square fet we'll have an architect who can talk to details of the building itself but multi-tenant with up to three offices we would have County roadway access so Lakewood farmingdale's County Road at this point we have spent a fair amount of time with the county on the access for this uh and you can see there's obviously two points of access in this plan the lower or bottom one is exit only can we stop you for a second yeah Lou is that the most current rendering of the building footprint because I think what we have is more square and shape that looks more rectangular and can you repeat the square footage again sir uh square footage is 13,940 and yeah Ken do you know when you last revised this because this is March of last year no we we sent one in in November and I would have it on my uh you want to take a second and just yeah that's good uh yeah it what exhibit is it day 32 two them in here thank you no problem thank you for catching that and before we move on from that too right so it's kind of not shown on the top of the page here but there's a parking area to the north of the proposed building correct an existing parking area correct and does that s is that going to service the proposed Warehouse site or is that servicing the existing um complex that's is already there it does not service the existing it does not service the proposed building it's not in any way Rel related to the proposed building it is existing and it is an overflow lot for the for the building owned by our clients that's above so and the reason why I bring it up and I'll defer to our planner is you know typically parking is an accessory to a principal use instructure that's an accessory use that's not servicing the principal use that's being proposed with this application so I know they're presenting it as just being a D3 but you know in my eyes that would be a separate D1 for that because it doesn't have a PR it's not serviced by the principal use that's and structure that's being proposed with this application anything to add Jennifer on that I mean I I agree with Charlie wholeheartedly um I guess we're going to punt it to Andy but generally we don't allow multiple principal uses on a single lot but this is not even a principal use this is an accessory use that's servicing a principal use on a different lot so I think you could argue that we don't allow that but also it's almost introducing that second principle which is offsite onto this property because if they're using the parking lot for that so I would agree but I mean I would defer to Andy really okay I think you're right you guys which L are we speaking of can you point to it uh sure uh I can and we I if we went back at display too we could see more but this is the uh a portion of that paved parking area and you can see in the very top right hand corner this is actually a building Comm existing commercial commercial building on another property uh and that by pavement that's connected to this ancillary parking area I'm going to bring a if we went back to um 830 or 831 we'd be able to zoom in and see that to scroll there we go you can see that the existing purple line is here there's more than one way that we can address that and before we conclude the presentation we'll we'll we'll speak to it is the access to the parking lot through this through the property you're proposing or through the existing property it's not through our it's not in any way associated with this project the property that is behind is owned by our client same clients that's their one of their two existing Warehouse buildings on this road is that one just behind this and that's that parking lot is part of the improvements that have no history of approvals five minutes so we can figure this out sure I think that's a good idea ien we'll take a five minute break the board will now take a 5em minute break and reconvene at 7:43 p.m. the meeting will now reconvene Mr P you thrilled the Boy Scouts okay Mr Pete you want to go first and then I'll give you our sure sure if I might Mr chair um what speaking with your professionals um and deferring of course to you and the board we are prepared to present the testimony of Mr zner this evening and also the testimony of Melissa rub the architect and then we would stop the issue with regard to the use of this parking lot the intensity of the use and then necessity of it is something that we'd like to further explore W with your professionals and if necessary when we return with Scott Kennel and Allison's testimony if it's deemed necessary we'll modify our notice to include any additional relief that your professionals direct us to include okay I concur the members we all concur on that the only thing that I would like to ask at the end of your two witnesses if anybody on the board has any questions so that way you can take them home with you and then you know let us know Mr as you know it's a process we appreciate when you provide us with your questions and guidance and I think that we'll probably have both of these Witnesses concluded in less than an hour's time and that provides adequate opportunity for that examination okay that sounds good to me thank you so we'll continue so m Mr zner we're we're still in the present the background presentation of the property um anything further before we start going into details of the proposed development uh just uh yeah sort of finished up my overview a couple of quick comments about what we're proposing with uh this particular single building again I think we we're back here on 832 the site rendering yep I talked about the sing building the three offices three potential tenants uh we just started in on Lakewood Farmingdale Road at this point is a County Road uh we do have two points of access to the road proposed and have discussed that with the county uh the lower of those two would be exit only this is a good setup for this site uh there are trailer Bays you can see in a darker color access to three sides but not the front of this building that's important there's trailer staging spaces and you can see those at the back very far left of this site those trailer staging spaces we talk about it at some point a little bit they function to make the flow the building work better so those are part of the process of the building and then we've created vehicle parking at three different locations based on the potential for three tenants and you can see at the front and then below and above those are separated vehicle parking spaces separate from the truck access areas uh there's a total of 128 vehicle parking spaces and all of that again looking at this and I know we mentioned it sort of in the opening while we while we are 49 total Acres the intent was intensity wise to build propose a building and parking and coverage that you see here based on what would fit to 10 acres so 30% building coverage was the target uh for the building footprint and then the um impervious coverage was targeted based on the 10 acres uh there might be some I know when we go through the review letters some minor di Minimus elements there we need to adjust to make sure we meet those criteria before you go into the uh the substantive presentation I'd like you to spend just a little bit more time on sewer and water and Ike said we're not in the 208 area you said we're outside of the service area if you could explain to the the board just for the record what a 208 area is how it comes into existence and who regulates What entity actually regulates where sanitary sewer service is permitted so uh the Utility Authority and the county in mouth uh produce a future Sewer Service Area map and it identifies those areas where a Utility Authority is permitted to provide or collect sewer uh and uh how the collection system and some of the collection elements are within your municipal building and your engineering office uh they're overseen by uh Township but it's the Sewer Authority which collects the sewerage and it's the county that establishes and submits the sewer service area plan to state of New Jersey and JD there are means and methods for amending this and changing those extens and limits uh but and this is now we have up here exhibit a33 and what that showing is the areas that are colored they're all within the ma sewer service area and our parcel which is little box in it at the bottom center uh is almost like a hole in the donut so there's our issue or concern here is not the ability to get a sewer line physically to the site it's that we're not mapped with d in the sewer service area therefore the Utility Authority the Sewer Authority is not permitted to provide sewer service so just to clarify that Lou so are you saying that none of the site is currently mapped in the sewer service area there are portions of the site that are in the sewer surface area cor that's correct so actually if you look at right along Lakewood Farmingdale Road there's a sort of a regular green shape that's actually part of this parcel but the building itself would sit within that white area outside the sewer service area Okay so so the part that's subject to the development is not in the mapped sewer service area right and you said there is a process where if a property owner desires to become part of the sewer service area can seek a sight specific Amendment through the water quality management plan or Wastewater management plan through the county and D to get an amendment to be in the sewer service area correct that's correct it needs U Municipal and Utility Authority and endorsement from others okay and as part of the process of you know your due diligence for this application did you explore the availability of sanitary sewer infrastructure in the vicinity of this property were the property owner to go the route of trying to get a site specific amendment to get into the sewer service area yes we spent a significant amount of time investigating both this mapping and the physical infrastructure uh for this site and like I said our impediment is the sewer service area and that this is not mapped within the sewer service so I would just submit to the board right so one of the conditional use requirements for this use in the zone is that they be serviced by public sewer uh I get that they're not in the sewer service area now but if the board were inclined to act favorably on this application it's uh certainly within your ability to request a condition that the applicant seek a site specific Amendment to the sewer service area to hook up to public sewer I I you know have spoke with the engineering department and there is to my understanding there's some private uh sanitary super infrastructure in the existing business park to the north of this property and there is uh sanitary sewer infrastructure to the south of this property on 524 in the vicinity of Mulligans there is immersa trunk line that runs along the rear of the property I think it's it is it is in a heavily regulated area C1 buffers and things like that but there are other means to connect into sewer systems uh so I don't you know I don't want it to come across as oh we have no ability to hook up the sewer because we're not in the sewer service area there is a means for property owners to seek amendment to get into the sewer service area to hook up to public sewers so um that's perfectly within your ability as a board to request that of an applicant uh should you should you deem it uh appropriate I I also want to just Pigg you back on that this was a condition that was recently added to specifically this luse type to Target the location of these land use types specific areas of the town the fact that this site is not within the service area I mean it wasn't gone that condition was not added to this lightly it was done intentionally to make sure that these types of uses are in areas of the town that they felt were most appropriate so I don't disagree that there are methodologies available to amend the 208 plan and add properties but I just want to be very clear that this was not an oversight like this was an intentional condition that was put in there to Reg the location of these types of uses if I if I might the ordinance I am certain that the requirement was not an oversight but when we started working with the various sewage agencies at manisan River Regional sewage Authority everybody initially opined that we were in the 208 area and it was only after drilling down that they realized oh no you're not there's a hole there and you're not so exploring whether we can get sewer we'd love to have sewer the the steps typically are that the governing body has to acknowledge that sew is being sought and to endorse that application and then you go to the solid waste management at the county then you go to the not the freeholders the Commissioners who used and then you go to the Depp those are the steps for bringing sewer so we acknowledge that that procedure is there um we acknowledged that the ordinance was specific that they wanted sewer the the mistake it seemed very clear as we working on this is that it was thought that this property was in the 208 area just like everything else was but it was not Mr Pate um my feeling and I'm sure the my fellow board members agree I think we really would like to explore doing the public absolutely um we can debate how the 28 for this site came about whether it was intentional it doesn't matter at this point I think as long as we have the ability to have that part of the conditional use for this property I think that's where we all want to go that to the that might be help thank you for the comment Mr chair duly noted duly noted would you also speak to the water supply and and what commitment that our client is making with with regard to the water supply and why that commitment is necessary so uh there is uh New Jersey americ water although not all that close to the site and we spent quite a bit of time with New Jersey americ on how we would get public water to the property there are a couple of different potential roots and means and uh it would be a fairly long extension but it would bring public water potentially not just to this building but to the other surrounding buildings it's key to this building in my mind because this needs to be a suppressed building and so the public water line that would be brought in would have the flow and pressure to provide for um the Fire Protection in the proposed building and that is part of this application to bring that public water to this site could you share with the board the estimated linear distance of the water line uh it uh a couple of different potential routs depending on line from New Jersey American but uh the closest is about 2500 feet away and there's another larger more powerful line that's about 6,000 F feet away we're talking about bringing what type of a water line uh this would be a potentially 12 in waterline to the site our client has a a commitment to extend water approximately a half a mile with a with a major trunk line to service this area out of necessity because we need to have a building that's fire suppressed if you would begin taking us through the details of the design sure maybe we could go back to a32 and again I'll I'll work through a little bit more in the design element of how this site would work from uh a grading perspective uh the existing site generally slopes West away from the county road uh that direction of flow is generally maintained in this you can see a number of storm water basins to the left or the back of the site the site does require fill so dirt would need to be brought into the site in order to uh maintain that drainage pattern and to get all of the storm water components to work properly so the new building would be slightly raised from existing grade the drainage for this site um would be fully compliant with the newest rules for storm water again as I'm sure you're beginning to see most of these sites now it's in a multitude of basins not just one big Basin and it's the same here uh there are the three surface basins that you uh uh can see there or four I'm sorry three at the back and there's one at the front these are all what referred to as small scale INF filtration basins so they're putting water back into the ground uh there are also four uh call it sort of the four sides of the building underground elements that are collecting water from the roof of the building so there's a total of eight different elements to the storm water management system here all of which would be privately owned and uh as heard me say in the past it's a requirement that there's a developed schedule for maintenance and a maintenance manual that gets filed with the property deed there actually already is an approval from Soil Conservation District based on this do design you know we I'm sure at some point we'll get through the review letter we have worked with Mr Cliff I believe there's still work to be done to get to 100% on his approval but uh we are confident that we will'll be able to satisfy that and that we're close circulation for this site is very good I mean this is a site I think you can see from the plan itself we have full circulation around the building we have two great points of access to the county road uh internally uh it's two-way circulation the only one-way element is the southern exit out to the county road the main aisles in this as you you see circulating the building those are 30ft main aisles for the truck circulation uh the aisles within the vehicle only the those three parking spaces those are 25t aisles again as I mentioned in the opening we separate those parking lots to keep them out of the main flow of truck traffic all of the sort of turning and turning elements function well for trucks this this site is set up for larger vehicles that of course would also include emergency and fire vehicles uh just as a quick sort of General element on Dimensions the uh load loing Bays those are 60t loading bays and then the maneuvering area outside of those loading Bays is 72 ft these are dimensions we've used uh numerous similar sites and work well the trailer staging spaces those are 55 foot feet deep you can see just as a reference the darker shaded colors there those are actual that's actual concrete as opposed to a you know black asphalt uh that's used in the loading Bays themselves for durability and then in the truck staging spaces there's a 4 foot strip so that if a trailer sets there the landing gear sits on concrete as well we I think that it's we met with on two separate occasions fire chief Pro now to go through this plan and in the packet of reports is he has no further issues with the design and that's because we modified dimensions of the driveways to his satisfaction I know Mr kennel likely won't be speaking tonight but he'll I'm sure talk a bit more about the county road uh we are uh proposing improvements along the frontage in the county road this would get widening towards our site and create you can see uh striped in on County Road there would be a dedicated turn lane for access into this site be part of the improvements we come to agreement with on the count the county uh Lou can you give us an update on where you are so youve has the applicant filed an application with Mammoth County planning board we have uh met and presented plans to them but there's not an active application with the county so they haven't actually seen any the improvements on 524 that you're proposing in a formal in a formal application not in a form we we've presented multiple plans Scott who won't testify can go through that to get their feedback what we're showing is what they have told us they want to see up there okay and I would just say for the board obviously any potential approval by the board is condition on Mon County planning board so that's something they would have to get I just want to backtrack and ask a clarifying question so you talked about uh bringing public order to the site so you said there was two different routes one was uh you know 2 200 ft one is over 5,000 feet or something like that so the plan that's currently was less submitted to us that's showing you going south down to uh 524 and that intersection with the connection which which which length is that is that the 2500 is that 5,000 uh I would I would have to pull and get you the specific information we've worked with New Jersey American on I believe that that's the shorter length down to the intersection okay is there any routing so so obviously there's the associate business or sorry yeah the business park mixing names there's the bizic park existing to the north of site uh that uh does that have public water that could be connected to or or do you have does this applicant have the right to run sewer through there sewer or water uh water I apologize so um I guess what I would say is part of the exploration we've done with New Jersey American and why I've said there's two possible Roots is we're trying to see if there's a way we're going to run this water line to provide water to the other building so that they would all have potential for water okay and the reason that I asked that is um a public water M and a public right away um has a potential to service other public properties and sort of the benefit of other public users um private users through a through a private um access easement through a private business park that you know only private entities in that business park could potentially Ben benefit from I think is a little different context on where the main is routing and who benefits from it you know we've we've had applications where you know people have run miles of sewer or mile of sewer and it allows the benefit of other property owners Al that public right away to connect into it um if it's being run through a private property through a private access ement that only those private property owners benefit from and I guess the question is does applicant have any common ownership with those does this applicant have any common ownership with the business park to the north yes yes yes okay so they own the business Parts okay all right I think we just want to know where the routing is because yeah it going through a public RightWay versus it going through a private property and who IT services uh is some context that the board should know definitively Mr chairman is it possible to have Mr Zar point out on the map where the connection is going to run to I I guess what I might like uh to say is if um if I know we're going to come back if there's something that I could work on and bring back to you what that route would be and how accessible it would be to others and what the potential additional flow would be I think it' be better to come back with all that information to share with you than what I have at hand yeah commitment to do that would make sense so the water route an identification of third parties who could benefit and you're going to talk about the parking Ken they haven't gotten there yet right we're going to do a bit of the discussion on the parking but the portion that Scott Kennel would do it will be at the next meeting so we can we'll go through I'll let L talk about it and then I'll ask a question then if he can answer it or it's more appropriate for Mr K Y I think we're just about yes so I we are parking I have essentially for the parking some specific numbers I'm not sure if this will satisfy your question or not but uh the total of the trailer loading Bays which I'd referenced before is 33 uh there's six additional ones that are at grade so from the plan you sort of see them at the end and this differentiate between a loading Bay where you'd be 4T lower and a Truck would back in versus one that's on a bit of a ramp comes in at grade this allows for one of the in this case six of the loading Bays to be usable for say a UPS truck or something that would come in and not meet that that backend 4ot loading Bay uh the trailer staging spaces at the far left are 15 of those uh the vehicle parking in the three locations as I'd mentioned there's 128 vehicle parking spaces uh this exceeds the requirement for this building building by a lot uh by a lot by a lot what's the reason for that are we going to get into that we can get into it but I can tell you our client's building is the one next door and what we did is we monitored the parking that's associated with that building and then we mirrored the same parking intensity for this building because it's a so that's exactly where my question was going is because you know our ordinance has requirements for office and Warehouse base which is considerably lower than what they're proposing um and the you know the reason we ask that question is um nine tenant spaces with uh a lot of passenger vehicle parking spaces is this more is this going to be more so like a flex space where there's going to be fleet vehicles like what what's the need for I'm trying I just want to say the right number uh 78 space is more than what's required for warehousing and office bace the testimony will come from Scott but I will what I would invite is and you don't need my invitation but if you were to go to the adjacent building that our clients own and you can see the intensity of its use the building does not have an intense use but the parking ratio that is there and the parking ratio that we're asking you for here is the same well that might be true now but the tenants that go and here May dictate a change in that am I correct potentially yeah potentially it could so sure but our clients asked us to to mirror the parking that they have where they successfully have a warehouse building have had for so just to add on to that right so and the reason we're asking the question is you know Flex Bas in other municipalities where there is a prescribed standard based off the gross Flor area the parking requirement might be you know 1 per th000 1 per 800 Square F feet whereas Warehouse traditionally is you know especially in how is one per 5,000 square F feet um and the reason we asked that question is because I think the zone does have separate conditional use requirements and standards for Flex base um which have different um maximum gross floor area requirements I believe compared to warehousing in the zone so uh is it just a warehouse with office space or are we be going to be getting you know people coming in operating you know with fleet vehicles and it's a flex Bas and we're getting a flex base under the guise of it being a warehouse and you know I think that's just um the skepticism coming from my end well you know we have a certain requirement and we're getting it's not very often that we're seeing people provide so much in in excess of what's required usually they right at it or you know they're asking for relief from it or around it you know uh this is significantly higher than what the requirement is so that's where our line of questioning is coming from and I think I think part of that too is the size of the building so one of the conditions for Flex is that the building can't be more than 75,000 Square fet so this is like twice that so there has to be a determination whether or not it's Flex or not um just because there's a distinction in the conditions what between the two Ed types also can we clarify I know um Mr P mentioned three tenants and IC three offices three offices and how many tenants maximum of nine so each tenant won't have their own office space that's correct yeah that would be Flex spacing right if it's if you have nine n ten if you have nine tenants so I would suggest that we put a pin in this conversation about Flex versus Warehouse I know know Allison is here but she's probably not going to testify tonight and then as part of her testimony when she comes back you know to address any of the conditional use standards plus the multiple principal uses we can ask for a Distinction on how this site's going to operate as a warehouse versus Flex space or whatever and that give them a minute to figure out how to adequately address that concern it is a concern Mr Pape so I just want to be clear but I think it's something that we can put a pin in for tonight and then come back and revisit it at the next meeting I agree so let's do let's do that and if I could just mention one other the thing the architectural plans do have an office space for each space each of the nine tenant spaces there's an office space for each one on the architect's plans that I can see so we probably should just need to reconcile between both PL okay okay we'll save that for the AR so let's continue got few few more sort of technical items if I keep going uh lighting for the site uh again we're starting with a new site so it's new modern LED lighting uh what's proposed is 3,000 Kelvin at the lower end of the temperature scale um modest intensity uh there is a WAV requested on we meet the minimum but we missed the overall average what I found often in the way we've done these warehouses is we tend to miss low and we miss low intentionally there you know a big travel operational path for trucks we try not to overlight that I mean one it's hard to light because it's big area you have to have big lights but it's also not necessarily to light all of that paved area uh 20 poles they're 22 feet high um and they're building mounted lights as well uh Landscaping I know we spent some time with Miss SPO before the last Hearing in November she has a number of comments which we agree to meet all of those I believe there's a little bit of work still to be done on identifying and making sure all of the buffers are planned properly we have four masonry trash enclosers around the building they're split around you know different spots around the building those are done with split block um have a reinforced gate on the front there's one proposed Monument sign one new monument sign that would be at the Northerly entrance and I believe we've addressed utilities pretty thoroughly just a few so status of outside agencies you indicated that the F Soil Conservation District has issued a permit for this plan we have it has been issued for this plan might obviously need some you know reissue or update at some point uh we've met with uh New Jersey American uh we've met with the county but we've not submitted those applications yet uh we do have a letter of interpretation on the wetlands from njde we still need to obtain ultimately General permits and transition area waiver from d those applications are filed they have been filed they're filed that is the direct presentation that Mr Z was prepared to um at this we're prepared to address questions from your professionals and from the board at this time or after the architect I defer to you I think we'll do it now Charlie yes Mr chair so you said uh you have your L and then the can you just enumerate the various uh applications you you have before the DS for freshwater wetlands and is there any flood Hazard area verification or application required there's no flood Hazard application uh but there is there are General permits there a couple of General permits and there's a transition area waiver buffer averaging okay so it's the for the alall the gp1 or whatever it is for the outfall we have an outfall we have a minor roadway cross roadway Crossing for the one drive aisle okay that's the souly site driveway there's like uh wetlands in the front of the site there correct all right and um it's been in my letter and I believe uh it might be in your Eis but one of the properties in the subject application and then also on the survey that was submitted with the application there's a number of monitoring Wells on the site and one of the Lots in the subject application is listed as an active uh site remediation uh with d can you provide some information on what the status of that is and whether that's being closed with this application uh whether there's been any phase ones or phase Twos for that and the reason that I ask the question is obviously I get from the stormw rules through D and through our ordinances you know the green infrastructure which promote infiltration and everything like that um you know it would be counterintuitive to on a site with potential site remediation issues they now introduced all the stor Water Management that promotes recharge and you know the flow of groundwater and things like that um I would think that the board would want to make sure that that site remediation activity is resolved as part of any potential board approval on this this type of application for this property Charlie you had some information that those were active this is just from ngdp data minor and I believe it was for uh lot 3101 90 900 Central Avenue and that's I think that's been in my letter from May of 23 we'll make certain that we find out from the DP if that's an active not not to our knowledge yeah I mean I think something uh written from uh an environmental professional as to the status of that and would be helpful for the board's consideration with this application all right and then the last thing I'll just add and it's it's actually timely um for this application uh I think as part of our rules committee meeting we had talk about um sites that are being constructed in town um especially when there's multiple users and uh tenant bases about the trash refu area is not necessarily always being commensurate with the amount of refu that's generated by those type of activities so you said there's four refu enclosures for the site yes there are four proposed is there any internal like compactor systems for cardboard and recycl s or how's that handled so that um that hasn't been proposed as part of this building that has with some other buildings we've done before where we've had uh internal collection or collection system in one of the loading Bays right outside of the door yeah so I would you know it sounds like we're going to have another night on this I would just look into that um it has been something that is becoming uh isore for the township and the engineering department I'm not saying you know that's going to be what you're proposing but uh with multiple users and the spaces shwn across a building you know people don't always tend to run their garbage and trash uh you know they kind of put it right next to the the the loading docks and things like that so you know maybe uh more more refu enclosures and larger spaces would be uh something uh positive for for this application have you thought about using compactors just probably just made it mentioned that I'm going to go over it with the client that's all I have for Mr Zar right now okay Jennifer you anything to add to that not not beyond what I've already said okay Sher do you have any comments on the Landscaping with the um so they have uh buffer plantings along the main road um uh most of the trees there are in good condition which is why we had them save it but there is an area that's full of invasive species so you know we had spoken about we're going to beef up that area a little bit more because those trees are going to come out um and you know they had said they'd agree to my letter um I do they still need to complete their tree replacement calculations so that has to be finalized we have been out there with Sharie we have The Tick to prove it we were we walk that property together including the area that sher's describing as really invasive not healthy trees which we understand should be ripped out and redone okay uh board members sir Mike Jose over yeah go ahead Mike um Mr zner is there a plan for backup power generation on this building um I there's no plan at the moment and I think that might be also something uh architect might be able to speak to but there's no proposed generator or backup power on the site at the moment okay so so is the building going to be all electric or is it going to be bringing natural gas in as well I would defer that question to the architect but okay and I guess my other question will go to the architect as well is whether there's going to be a conveyor system on the inside or not okay Jose do you have anything Nick yeah um just just looking at the uh H Township Fire Bureau fire Bureau site plan review and they made mention on um something about the the bill that may require an emergency responder radio system once completed and Charlie also had it in his report where we where are we with that uh you prognos that said it might it depends when the building is up he'll determine whether or not he'll make that determination yeah he makes the determination we told him so you've had a conversation about that with him already okay um Mr zner how what is the length of that turning lane um going uh from on the Northbound side of uh 524 going into the driveway what is that the length of that turning lane you mean the stacking L like the available yeah like yeah I guess is that what they call stacking right how many cars you could fit into it I could get that for you in one moment yeah I'm more concerned about how many trucks might take me a second but okay okay um that's the only two I had for now how many trucks could stack in the turn the actual leftand turn lane not the the wide how much space is really a question for can you give a dimension yes he's working on coming up with that Dimension if you wanted to move to another board member for question we'll come back and answer Mr Mr chairman my only note was the one that Miss SPO pointed out is the train replacement plan um just knowing what's going to be coming out and what's going to be going back in okay man yeah oh I'm sorry I keep kicking her um I was want to piggy back on something Charlie brought up but kind of leaped out at me too but I know we're trying to figure out this Warehouse versus flex and all that with the trash enclosures might be a little bit light I think with four if you have nine different tenants and something to look at am Marie I'm still processing but right now I have no questions John just one question regarding the the site plan on the main road on Lakewood Farmingdale Road you see a retention Basin right there just to the south of that retention Basin there's a a light green shaded area that's like a a light green that's the area right now that's proposed for the septic field for the building thank you so that may not even be any equation coming back as far as our concern about the septic I'm not I'm not going to answer that one way or the other okay we'll wait on that Tom I got a couple questions you say there's three offices is are the offices like for General Health secretaries and clerical or you're going to rent it to an actual like to you know accountant or something like that I don't understand it best best there's two two reports two parts to that operations testimony which our client can put on but we we'll put it on at the next meeting and the architect who designed the building she'll be ready to answer that question okay and then you're going to have nine tenants in there of a variety of different businesses and uh also I'll be able to find out about the bathrooms how many bathrooms and where they're going to be and also did you mention that you owning a an adjoining property our clients own the adjoining properties yes they weren't planning on using any of that current property for this particular case as parking for your other property right no park because I was wondering why you need 128 spaces I know you're that's over than the required amount and that you want that many additional is that just for the future you're not going to like flow any traffic from somewhere else in there right no our clients ask that we measure the parking that they have for the adjacent building and to ident to have the same ratio of parking that they have on that building as this one and I go back one more time the building that's next door is everything about it has no history it just it just got built okay and the parking that's there is working for them so they want to rep and I take it you're going to have uh large tractor trailers there not just box trucks at this site yeah yes and I'll also get the hours and make sure that no trucks are running before the hours of operation you know we're not going to allow them to park on the property and the truck's running before the place is open the adjacent facility runs it's hours of operation are 247 there's only one tenant that's currently more than one shift but they they are permitted to go 247 you're going to do that at dislocation that's the request and there there's no o there's no overnight Vehicles we can come up with that language that says that can't have any vehicles that are on premises with their Motors running okay that's all I have now for Mr Bill the greatest length so from the center of our driveway to the end of the taper is 265 ft from the center of your driveway so like if you were to split the if you were to be at the point where you turn left into the driveway the midpoint uh back to the beginning of where the stripe taper is is 265t 265 yes 265 okay thank you okay M yeah I just wanted to clarify Mr Pape you said uh next time you come you will have operations testimony yes okay wonderful thank you and the only thing I had was you said there's one Monument sign at the north entrance correct okay is that going to be designated as the main entrance or correct so uh that's an inout at the moment um the way it's designed uh but the southernly entrance is just an exit so that you would come in and loop and you would leave from the southernly entrance so that's why the monuments at the Northerly entrance that's the one entrance okay but that means you would have a do not enter sign at the southern entrance correct okay that's all I have so I guess we are we can listen to your architect let me just I just want to add a a followup question because Mr bro asked about the fire so obviously any approval is subject to the Outside Agency and um addressing comment from the from the fireb and the lake um the and this came up on another Warehouse application that that's come before this sport but um where American Water actually said that they wouldn't allow fire suppression through the public water main and they had to put a you might actually been the engineer on that one where they had to put a pump station in after the fact u a pump house in after the fact and then an underground storage tank for fire suppression have you had any discussions with them on that and um whether that could be a possibility of being needed for this I will specifically have that conversation my understanding so far has been that no this would be a main extension and we'd have two Taps to it one for fire and one for pable water yeah the only reason I asked it on the other one it was we were able to there was space for it to not have to come back to the before the board you know as an administrative approval uh this tight a little sights a little bit tighter so uh if there is any possibility of that happening uh you know would behoove the applicant to present that to the board as part of the application so I will investigate that I would assume the site will need a hot box but yeah yeah and that's in my letter that's a requirement of the water company as far as connection uh for backflow prevention it's got to be within a certain proximity of the RightWay and that's something that we've granted on Commercial uses based off American Water I'm more so talking about for fire suppression purposes if the flow from the public main either can't be size appropriate or American water doesn't want to provide that flow to such a site um they would have to provide you know their own means of fire suppression by underground tanks uh either you know using the public water system and storing it on the site for if there is a fire having the fire suppression or you know buy a well or something uh to supplement that so if there's any kind of structure above ground tanks needed for that just let the board see it so that way it's part of the application and we're not you know having to come back two or three times uh with an application understood okay thank you um anybody need to take a break want to move on good I think yeah I think it's good just move okay ready good evening Miss rub good evening you're sworn so perhaps we could begin with you sharing your professional and educational background with board absolutely um good evening members of the board my name is Melissa Rob I am a graduate of the city college school of AR of New York School of Architecture I'm licensed in the state of New Jersey um I have appeared I have appeared before this and other Municipal boards throughout the state we accept your qualifications thank you thank you very much if you could give the board the back your background with this project identify the exhibits upon which you intend to rely if you would like I could give these for handout purposes very much great you can begin thank you um so tonight I'll be walking the board through our architectural proposal um to provide a structure for my testimony F first I will outline the building's floor plan and then describe its elevations and Architectural features we are proposing a single story 13,940 foot building um approximately 13,42 ft of which is is used for warehousing and 7,544 ft allocated for accessory office space the building dimensions are 384 ft I'm sorry sure 7,500 total office space or 7,000 each office no total for the entire building okay thank you sure uh the building dimensions are 384 ft 5 in wide by 340 ft deep with a height of 42 ft 6 in to the top of the standard parit and 45' 6 in to the top of the raised areas at the entrances and corners of the building the building is designed to accommodate up to nine tenants um though units may be combined to meet a tenant a larger tenant's needs each tenant each tenant is equipped with a dedicated entrance located at either the front or either one of the building sides a small office space for administrative use and loading docks or drive-through garage doors for operations on some of the deeper units we have also Incorporated a small receiving office at the rear to facilitate communication operations with within each tenant Suite so if I Canute to pull up exhibit 6 A6 I believe it is or six that's the floor plan while you're doing that I'm going to take this opportunity so my statements that I made made for my my original notes of three offices you're correc so I think that the uh the um miss you know the the clarify it's three groups of offices but each group has three sub offices to to um that are that are adjacent to each tenant so in this this is one grouping a second grouping in the front and a third grouping on the side each of them adjacent to their respective um warehouse space so again nine tenant Space Nine Nine potential tenants nine offices but the offices are grouped together in three different three distinct areas on the building so the office for a particular tenant space is not in the tenant space it is it's adjacent that's exactly why we group them it's not really adjacent look at the two on the bottom where the where's the office space on the bottom over here sorry so okay let's go through one by one so this is unit one and it's and its office space is right here where my where the Red Dot is unit two is this l-shape and again it has an office that's attached to it unit three right here with that office at the front we have unit four and its office based you can can be found in the front of the building unit five actually goes front you know uh the full length of the building and that's why we incorporated a second receiving office in the back so you know uh somebody could be there with a phone to talk to the front um and then the exact configuration is mirrored on the other side can you just go back to the height for me yeah absolutely sure it's 40 so five and a half to those steel yeah so we have we measured from average grade to the top of the parit so the standard parit sorry let me just grab my notes again um at the standard parit um can I CH you actually for the next exhibit exhibit seven please that'll make things a little clearer thank you very much yeah the Standard Building height which I call you know the at these areas um to from average grade to parit is 45 foot 6 in sorry 42 foot 6 in at the raised areas in the in the corners and around the entry we're at 45 foot 6 in cuz they they just pop up a Dr that's the top top right 455 is the top top top 455 is the top yeah yeah absolutely 63 so I just want to give some clarity on that as well because I think in my letter the calculation is a little bit more so from on your architectural plans the 455 that's from the finished floor to the top of that parit right the 455 yeah I have that right from elevation 71.5 so that's the finished first floor not the average grade then okay yeah so thank you for that clarification yeah so so I think I think I have in my letter it's 46 and change I want to say and that's because you take the average grade 5T off the foundation there is um at grade parking in the front and then you have at the rear and the sides there's like the you know drop loading gate for like a tractor trailer so when you do all that math the height is actually uh greater granted from the public right away you're going to be seeing it from the finished floor at 45 ft 5 in but it's still would be a height variance a c variance because I think we're maximum of 45 right yeah in the zone no our client would be amenable to adjusting the height you know that that little bit so that we're back you know within the allowed the goal was to be complied yes goal is to be compant so you going to adjust it down to 45 flat okay and again me measured as Mr conb said from four from 5et around building fre okay um the building will be constructed of tilt up concrete panels designed with score lines um and a painted finish to add color and variation um thank you very much in my in my talks with um Miss beam um we've also agreed to add a water table treatment at the base of the building um with some texture to it so um with tilt up you can stamp the panel so that it has some you know stone look or brick look and that will again add to add some texture and and break up the height of the building um we've we're also prop proposing these frames around each of the entrance areas um to again add architectural interest and way finding to the site um adjacent to the office spaces are these windows that you see here in the front and each entrance is equipped with a canopy the the water table you're referring to yes is just the in between the bump outs right entirety of the wall correct that is correct in the in the lower areas yeah that that is what we discussed thank you um we also we're also proposing some wallmounted sconces and lighting um for architectural interest and you know function um as well as a sign for each tenant base um to identify tenant space and a um address sign at the corner of the building um the address sign is approximately 15 square fet and within the um the ordinance um that concludes my direct testimony I would be happy to answer any questions okay Jennifer I I will say that she has worked with my office on coming up with this design she's done a great job every single thing I've asked for she has agreed to incorporate um the last little piece is the water table but In fairness we only spoke at the very end of last week probably didn't have time to put it together for tonight but as always um if the board were to act in the affirmative we'd be happy to work um with the office to make sure that it's done the way I know you guys want it but I have no doubt it was a very easy collaboration from what I see I agree I don't see too many issues with it um Charlie the only comment that I have in um and Jen can say if I'm off Bas but I I don't know if if I saw this rendering before but obviously we knew there was a monument sign at the onsite driveway and we asked a question or a letter about what any building mounted facade signs so I think the number of signs uh if there's one for each tenant plus the monument sign they probably need a relief for the number of signs being proposed the number on the front plus yeah so the number of tenants and then also you've got the building address to 175 so I guess it's 10 11 signs total one monument and nine 10 build uh facade Mount wall facade mounted signs so 11 total is that accurate yeah I mean right if the monument sign identifies a a ten in space we just want uh you know us he's saying that I think he's suggesting get the Rel yeah just the conception to it I think it was done very Tastefully you know it's kind of built into the facade but they do technically need the absolutely suggest Ken when you come back with just a little snip it I'm not worried about that but you know that the the facade signs are are based on area right like a percentage of the linear you're going to be way way under so if you could just when you come back I don't know that you need to have the heart deck testify again but just to understand maybe Allison can incorporate it into her outline to say yes we're seeking the relief but we're way under on the area which I got it thank you okay okay Mike you had a question I thought you needed to yeah just to follow up but before that the the color picture that's represented up there that would be the elevation a that is on the third sheet with the three bump outs that's correct yes elevation a okay so for the other bump outs I'd say elevation B is there going to be three separate because the doors are all closed together or is it just going to be one big one that's the one big one yeah we felt that it it was going to get too clustered you know and then the same with elev D correct that's correct D and B are mirrors of each other so there's only five bump outs that are required that's correct and the ones with the three are they going to have individual signage or just one sign sure so we have a sign on either side of the of the um frame you can see that on elevation B they're called out um so two on those that's what we have not three so seven the number and then the the outside sign right okay so I asked uh Mr zner earlier and the question was redirected in your way about whether or not we would have backup power generation so um I think we would leave that to the each tenant to decide if they wanted to incorporate a generator into their space um it's not something that we have designed at the moment I would suggest that L you look on the on the site plan I I know you're going to come back for site plan if this gets approved as a use variant but I would maybe just show like some proposed location on where those generators can be so that it get if you know it can get incorporated into the site plan and that way a tenant doesn't have to come back here to get additional approval at that point in time like a graded proposed pad location just like yeah perspective location or whatever yeah we just had a medical office come in and they had a generator on the top and then they moved it that grade and put it in like a kind of for sound purposes uh and I just want to point out for the board too um because it is one of the conditional use requirements that the rooftops be made solar ready the applicant is proposing solar on like 50% of the roof area correct that's that's correct okay anybody else you do have the electric room designated on your your drawings but there wouldn't be sufficient room for power generation and exhaust there I'm sorry you have an electric room yes located so having power generation with exhaust wouldn't be feasible there because that's one of your Bump out doorways so you'd have to find another location for it so we have that incorporated as a single door um on the front of the of on elevation a right yeah but that's just for service purposes that's not for backup generation no yes correct for service purposes yes so that couldn't be a central location unless you modified the plans correct okay thank you anybody else yes next Jose I have a question chairman okay you going down the line yeah okay um I oh the six Drive-In loading ramps these are ramps where the truck can actually go into the building yes yes yes okay so how do we how we um if the truck is running while it's in the building how are we getting rid of the emissions sure so I mean the the idea is for the truck not to run continuously through the building but it is for smaller box trucks you know if that's the preferred method to to unload the truck like um Mr zner said a UPS truck something like that um but is there is there a is there a fan that's going to be taken out is there something that's hooked up to the exhaust of that truck to to take out the emissions yes we absolutely will have fans in the building and um and you know we'll consult with our I mean engineer with whatever exhaust you know um with whatever exhaust they they would require under with the understanding that trucks will be driving in the building right I mean because we I know we all like to think that the drivers will shut their trucks off yeah but we can't depend on that and we don't need a situation where people are going to be overcome by fumes so we need proper uh evacuation of um ventilation to pull out absolutely it's refrigerator it can't be shut off if it's refrigerator can't be shut off that's a good point too yeah uh oh and what just out of C this um there's one two three four five receiving so what is a receiving area what is that use for so it's a secondary office if the main office is you know not in proximity to the to the Loading Docks it's just so somebody an employee could be station back there to receive deliveries things like that and then also be able to um speak with the main office in the front of the building so for example unit 5 right if a if a truck pulls in in the back it's a it's quite a long walk to to those docks so it's just a a place to station another employee back there but not each unit has a receiving so it depends on its proximity to its loading dock so for unit three the the and uh unit8 the loading docks are are quite near the main office we didn't think it necessary okay I was just wondering what it was all right thank you Glenn are you good I'm good okay Matt John okay Tom just for clarification when I was first started taking my notes for some reason I read was three offices and it was 22,500 Square ft when I look on the blueprint I see nine offices around 7500 ft for all nine that's right is is that correct and there's nine tenants that is correct n offices nine tenants nine offices for the nine tenants at a total of 7,541 Ft okay and and inside each office does little things are those bathrooms yes okay bathrooms and a Janitor's Closet I'd like to say it's a a really a gorgeous looking building very very very nice thank you that's it for me okay unless there's any other questions we thank you and thank you very much I was looking to see if there was any public that we should ask if they like yeah that would be a good idea because I I just feel that we Mr chair do we have a second second all in favor ien the board will now be open to the public if you'd like to come up raise your hand um and come up and state your address and your name motion to close to the public no back have a second okay all in favor okay we're closed to the public Mr P Mr Z architect will come back next time I intend to ask both Mr Zer and the architect to return I think the architect's testimony has has been minimal but in case we do have public I mean there might be a question but I don't know who would question this because this is really a nice plan so anyway but that would be good to have her come back and where is there room at the end yes yeah anybody else have a question before we set a date we need an extension on this yeah it's it's a we have to get the date from my so we know before we do that Mr Pate um so you will have somebody will be here testifying on the use of the building is that correct okay because I think we do have some questions on that other than that I think we're good to set a date e um March 10th I have two applications on March 24th I have nothing April 7th I have nothing if I could just confer with the team [Applause] and then till April yeah and we Al we already set the calendar that we were working around that already so that shouldn't be an issue 14 Mr chair March 24th is date that work for the whole team and the fact that we're at the top of the agenda I think yeah that's yeah you'll be at the top uh do we need we need to get an expiration new date for that to make certain that the board has adequate opportunity on the record I'll Grant an extension of time through April 30th 2025 I'll follow with the letter to I tomorrow do we need to send out further notice on this public notice I would ask that unless the relief that we're requesting is modified and I don't think that it will be unless it's modified we ask that you carry it without Reen notice or republication okay anybody everybody's good with that okay I thank you all see you okay so put it on the the record this case case number ba 23-6 Gateway industrial 175 LLC is being carried to March is that 24th 24th with no further notice Mr P good night thank you good night good night good night good night Ken uh before we adjourn Tom you had brought up something to us prior to the meeting I wanted to have you just go over that with the board members before we maybe consider that as far as the training oh yes yeah um bring it up to Jennifer yeah okay uh Mrs Beam we'd uh like um to have product knowledge courses like three or four times a year and uh to come in for questions and answers if you could come in say an hour hour and a half before the board on what's convenient for the board and your we could have a questions and answers to try to uh get the board on board with all changes and things that we really need to know while we're having our hearings I myself am a little rusty and you know I need to get updated myself okay yeah all right very good okay everybody's good with that I would say an hour before because with some great idea yeah and the other thing is for John I believe the man uh if you got this package you would want to get signed up for one of those classes and there's plenty here so you can probably work around your schedule it's online too you don't have to go anywh yeah so um just whoever needs to sign their oath please don't forget yes thank you is there any other business okay we seeing none have a motion to close motion to close second all in favor next meeting is yeah next meeting would be two weeks from now 27 next meeting January 27th 2025 R copy