You are alive. Mr. Sir, Mhm. Yeah, look All right. 5:30. I will call the regular city of Great White Lakes Council meeting for Tuesday, April 14th to order. Roll call, please.
>> Councelor Jarla >> here, >> here. >> Mat >> here, >> and Mr. Mayor Scott >> here, >> and Sher Grims is absent today. So, will we have a quorum? >> Sounds good. Thank you. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, moving on to the consent
agenda. Has everybody had a chance to read through that? Um any comments or questions uh regarding anything in there? >> Uh just for record keeping on the public forum minutes says that uh
councelor Jara abstained. I believe he made I think he abstained >> to the adjournment just for recording purposes but >> what was that again? I didn't hear you. >> It was the the adjournment of the public forum. >> Okay. you wanted to continue talking
>> and it says in here you abstain, but I believe you made the vote. >> Yeah, >> I'll I'll make that correction. >> Thank you, Dean. Um, thank you, Brian, for pointing that out. Um, yeah, we'll correct that. Um, so excluding that. Um,
any other questions or comments for anything else in there? Um, if not, I'll ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. um excluding um the minutes for the that public forum. So Dean can make those
changes and then we'll include that in um the uh the consent agenda for the next meeting. So is there a motion for that? Motion from councelor Jarva. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? I. >> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion
carried. Moving on to the guests and citizens forum. Um we'll start with our guests. Um, so first from Northspan we have Ally. >> Hi, thanks for having me. My name is Alan. Can you hear me okay without the microphone?
>> Um, yeah, but you need to speak into the mic so it picks it up. >> Something should be on. >> It's on. >> Is that Can you hear me there over there? Oh, okay. Turkey. Um, thanks for having
me. My name is Ali Building Camps. I'm a consultant with Norban. Norban is the contracted staff for the East Range Detroit Powers Board and um, we are providing annual updates to the city councils and so that's what I'm doing here tonight in front of you. Thanks
again for having me. So, just a quick reminder, the East Range joint powers board is a formal partnership between Aurora, Bwava, Quite Lakes, and the town of White. The idea is that um working together we can get get more done than working alone. So some of the things like housing, workforce, childcare,
business development don't really respect municipal boundaries but kind of work across the region. And so the East Range Joint Powers Board um connects and collaborates to um to work on on some of those bigger issues. So I want to kind of talk about what we did over the past
year and then what we're looking forward to in 2026. The work that um the board generally does falls into about four areas. How we collaborate as a region, how we communicate, how we address community needs, and how we bring outside resources in. And so my highlights tonight will touch on all
four. So starting out with regional collaboration, uh one of the more meaningful uh shifts this past year was building the structure for regional collaboration. Um produce a real process behind it. And to that point, we reestablished a regional administrators group that meets regularly. We meet
quarterly in person. It's become a a great space for shared problem solving. Uh we started some early conversations around shared fire services and what a feasibility study might look like. And the board also moved forward on regional energy and infrastructure conversations and began some early coordination around
trails and recreation. Uh none of these are finished yet, but we're just in a better position this year to make some decisions as we go forward. Uh housing has been one of the most consistent challenges across the region. This year, we focused on putting the right tools and partnerships in place. Uh the board has $40,000 for the seller readiness
rehab program. Uh this program addresses a specific problem, homes that owners want to sell but can't qualify for standard financing because of their condition. So, it covers up to $5,000 in repairs per property to get homes up to uh USDA, FHA, or VA standards. It's
targeted program, but it helps unlock some transactions that would otherwise stall out. Um, additionally, all four communities are also working with Northshore Development Company, which is an important step to having some regional housing strategy. Uh, the board also worked on business support. One of
the more valuable things we did this year was to go out and actually talk to businesses across the east range. We had 10 in-depth visits um where we asked a lot of questions, tried to understand what's really happening with business on the east range. And the overall picture was really encouraging. About 80% of the
businesses said their revenue is stable or growing. Roughly half um expect continued growth over the next year. Five have active expansion plans and nearly all of them said they plan to stay and keep investing locally. So that's a real vote of confidence for the
region. That said, there are some consistent challenges. Workforce is uneven. Some businesses are having a hard time finding people. Others are doing fine. And the bigger issue uh is around supply chains, but it's not quite just availability, but cost. Prices have stabilized, but at a higher level. So,
it's encouraging that these conversations are um that are happening. In last June, we hosted the East Range Summit at Giants Ridge. I'm sure some of you were there. We had about 40 people, 40 uh participation was strong across all four communities. Ben Winchester was
the keynote speaker. He led a really thoughtful conversation about um demographic trends, workforce changes, and uh what those mean for communities like ours. But beyond the content, the biggest takeaway was just the level of engagement. People were were really excited to come out and have those conversations.
Uh marketing, we also made some real progress on telling a more unified story about the East Range. We've got a joint marketing committee that's up and running and has developed a really wonderful, robust, ambitious marketing plan. started uh producing some video content. You can find more about the
marketing plan on the East Strange Joint Powers Board website. The goal is to promote the East Range kind of as a connected, compelling place to live and work and invest. There are some challenges. Child care, that's uh probably the most pressing unresolved
issue. The board identified a space um that could work for some childare in the next year or so. needs about $60,000 in renovations and still needs an operator, but there are some things in place um to move that ahead. And then some of the bigger issues like emergency services,
housing, policy alignment are genuinely multi-year efforts. So progress is happening, but it's um it's going to take a little while longer on that. So thinking ahead to 2026, housing, like I mentioned, moving from planning to implementation, all communities have active plans for the Northshore
developments. Focuses on identifying some shovel ready projects and getting at least one development moving to our construction. The loan programs are open and active. Loans are being made and new applications are coming in. Uh so the work this year will be to continue to get capital out into the community.
And housing has been one of the most consistent challenges. Um but again that that is continuing to move forward. We've got a 2026 East Range Summit on May 6th and that's going to be at the Aurora Community Center. We have a featured speaker um Deb Brown. She's an
expert on revitalizing small towns and small communities. So we're really excited to bring her in. We're also building in some small group time with her so people can have some more direct one-on-one conversations. She'll actually be in this area for about 3 days. So we're excited to have her here. marketing like I mentioned
implementation is underway and um child care conversations are ongoing with the school district first children's finance looking at an RFP process for an operator to maybe get a new childare up and running in the next next year or so and then we've also done some work the
board has um working on some policy and system alignment thinking across the communities um some behind the-scenes work happening around business permitting franchise fees cannabis policy emergency services so these conversations are um continuing as well as funding and grant capacity, working
to be more proactive and bring in more resources to the community and to the um region as a whole. So the overall theme for 2026 is really about taking the groundwork that we've done for the last year and moving that forward into some tangible results. And I think we're set up to do that. That's what I have for
you today. Thank you very much. If you have any questions, I can uh certainly answer them for you or you can direct them to me later as well. What time is that summit? That >> Oh, the summit is uh from 10 to 1, 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. And that again is on May 6th. And I think in your packets
there's a QR code. You can um you can register there. It's free and lunch is provided. So, any other questions for Ally before she sits back down? hearing nothing. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> All right, moving along to um Sarah from the Msabi Trail. >> Good evening everyone. My name is Sarah Chetto. I work for the St. Louis and Lake County's Regional Railroad Authority in Missabi Trail. And in conversation with Dean, he had requested
I come in and give an update on our the status of our project from Aurora Lakes. Uh obviously it has gotten into the visible part of our project. The tree clearing is the most impactful um part of the project. Um we are moving forward
as we speak with our planning. Um because we have federal funding for this project, we needed to do some in-depth studies, environmental reviews, and state aid has to review our plans and such. And we are looking to get approval for our plans um within the next month.
So then we'll go to bids for construction and start the process to construct the trail. This may or may not start early this summer. It depends on when we get the approval back for the plans. Um, and then at that point, you
know, if we don't bid it out until June, they probably won't schedule any work until later in the summer, perhaps early fall. But we are still pushing to get something started this year for dirt work, um, whatever kind of material hauling we can
do and get that trail started to be built. So, I do have a map with me, one of my preliminary ones that has seen a few tweaks, but it's got the road on there. It's very hard to read from a distance. So, if anyone would like a closer look, I can certainly bring it
up. Um, but it's uh we're going around, we're going along Forestry Road in Aurora around the Gun Club, Tunnel Lake Gun Club at the base. Uh, we're tying into the East Range Multi-use trail for a section of uh distance between
the Blandon over the Blandon property. They have some conservation easements over their section and the only other way we could get through is if we were to go along the rightway for County Road 110. And really and truly that was not any easier doing the rightway than it
was to try to get an easement through Blandon. Um but we have worked it out that we will have a half mile gravel section through that area shared with motorized and non-motorized alike. But we'll try our best to make sure we have like stay to one side or or however it
works out through that area. The county has worked with us on that so we can harden the surface a little bit with like a chloride treatment that you know a lot of the gravel roads will use and uh hopefully that'll work for both our bicycles and our ATVs or whoever's out
there. Um, and then beyond that, we cross the Partridge River on County Road 110 just for a short distance and then we kind of go back into the woods a little ways and then cross the uh waterworks again on the right of way. County Road 110 has enough of a shoulder
at both those locations, so they've had no problem allowing that. and then up into the land to around the Steven Chambers shelter. We've been working in close collaboration with the group that's restoring that shelter and making
the trail head. And while we can't specifically change our plans right now because of the way the project memorandum and the state aid approval works, we can work with this group to get the trail in the location that makes the most sense for everybody. Once we're
in the construction phase, we'll go through the change order process to align with that plan as well. And then from that from that shelter, we will continue to the community center in Haiti Lakes so that our cyclists have a clear and direct path right into the
downtown area and so they can access all your great amenities here. So with that, if you have questions, I'd be happy to answer. So, the earliest you would get started on construction is the end of this year.
That's more of the hopes with approval and things like that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And that really just comes down to construction scheduling. You know, if you don't get it bid out early in the spring and we don't get into the scheduling, but I can't bid until I have the approved plans.
>> Um, in your mind, do you get approval? Once you get that approval, how long does the construction phase last? uh usually 3 to four months like this is a 5 and a half mile trail so it's it's a pretty significant distance um parts of
it are on road shoulders so that kind of changes a little bit of the scope of work but um we just did 4 and 1/2 miles up in the embarrassed to tower section and that went from May through November
we still have a little bit of work left to do but we also had it's weather dependent. It's construction schedule dependent, but I would I would give it about 5 months. >> The land the trail crosses like in
Aurora near the gun club, is any of that fee owned by the trail or is it all easements? >> It is all easements. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> We got all of our easements are covered from town of light from elite owns a lot
of property through it. We've got an ement with Blandon. Um so yeah, everything's in place. >> Well, they won't let you pave it. >> But the Blandon portion, no, >> that was part of that um conservation easements over that property. We could not put in any new paved roads or hard
surfaces other than what was already existing. So unfortunately, the closest we've become is a gravel trail section, which we will try to harden as much as possible. All right. Any other questions for Sarah? >> Are you envisioning it to go beyond
White Lakes at sometime in the future, or is White Lakes the end of Msabi Trail? >> In my long-term plans, um, because this year we're going to see the end of the original master plan for the Msabi Trail. I get to write the new master
plan for the trail. And quite lakes to me is a great gateway to get over to the Northshore. And I I am going to write that into my master plan. Now, the 165
miles we've already done took 30 years to accomplish, so I can't say that it's going to be anytime immediately, but it will be part of the master plan going forward. Are you a followup or a renamed regional rail authority that used to be in charge
of the bike trail? >> Uh we have always been in charge of the bike trails trail that it started with the rail authority. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And we were >> That's what I mean. That's it was the entity was named regional rail authority for >> Oh, yes. >> Yeah. Yes. Okay.
>> Yep. We were created to acquire the abandoned railroad properties and >> then they had to determine what they were going to do with those properties and >> now we have bike trail. >> All right. Well, thank you for >> Absolutely. >> Yeah.
All right. >> Any other questions, please feel free to reach out. >> Sounds good. Thank you. Yes, I know. >> Yeah. No, lots of folks had questions about all the trees getting cut down, so thank you for taking the time to come answer some questions for us. is the hardest part of the whole process.
>> Sure. I'm sure. >> All right. Well, thank you, Sarah. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um, move moving along. Any residents have any questions or comments? >> All right. Hearing nothing, we will move to reports from city staff. Uh, city
administrator >> Wbert John. >> Yeah, Johnny's moving down because he has an action item under new business as well. So, I had him in two different places. >> Um, I have nothing for you, Mr. here. All right. Uh, recreation director Peterson.
>> Uh, just finishing up finishing up the project right now. Uh, Friday the the elevators are installed right now. Friday constructions following Monday will be electrical part. That's about it. Otherwise, the ring's
been full. Football, basketball, baseball right now, volleyball, all that's going to happen. Of course, we're doing a couple upgrades in the kitchen and get ready for
>> All right, thank you for the update. Um, moving along to public works director Sninger. >> Yeah, public works. Uh yesterday we started our security sweeping for the year. Uh other cooperates usually about a two week process
will be wrapped up ahead of next week. Uh campground I believe seasonals are allowed to move into their sites this weekend. So you'll see some activity going on down there. Um I just urge people who are back in their campers and
use caution with frost going out. There are several sites that are soft. So, if they have any means of not writing it off, that'd be um other than that, uh part-time applications are available for summer hire. I believe they're due on Friday at
11, 10:30 to 11 this week. So, uh if kids are interested in summer employment, reach out to city hall here, get an application turned by Friday. That's it. >> All right. Thank you. Moving along to public utilities director Benda.
>> Um yeah, so I guess on the water treatment side of things, um haven't seen too much change in the river quite yet. So water's been running pretty efficiently. Um I would expect that to change as we start getting more
rain and things of that nature. We'll see when we start changes in our community facility. That's been pretty good for now. Uh waste water, we've had some issues with some different stations. Uh
we had a couple relays for turning pumps on and off place. Uh one pump replace. And then now we just came in Monday and our lift station out wastewater plant for our EQ tank uh variable frequency
drive uh for some strange reason out some wires in our door. So we had to have that hits. Um, other than that, everything else the slow
waste water. >> Sounds good. Thank you. Uh, EMS director Mstead. I have a couple um programs with the state that I've been working on. Um, one was for the operating deficit program. um an invoice
the state and we should be expecting uh $19,10 some odd cents here shortly from that one. Um I also participated in a compensated care pool reimbursement that was complete and sentient. I no idea
what I'm going to get from that one, but we'll see. Um and then I just have agenda items for billing. >> All right. Thank you. Uh moving along to city attorney Luicki. >> Thanks Mayor. Uh just an update on RLS
150 which is the uh registered land survey for the leads lots uh working with Jake. Uh I know he's not able to be here tonight with him today. uh and uh the surveyor Tony regarding uh an
exparte petition that we're drafting along with an affidavit of surveyor to get those finalized and over the finish line with the registars's office and I anticipate that to be done shortly uh and I'll update the council and public
as soon as those are available. So, uh the end is in sight, right? Good. >> Right. Yep. Happy to hear it. Thank you, Joel. All right, moving along to reports from elected officials. Councelor Jarba, anything from you tonight? >> Um,
not a short list here. We had a meeting on teams for East Range Water Board with Dean, myself, Luke, and Jacob from uh Boltman on Friday, uh, regarding the new joint power agreement for the waterboard to include Hoy Lakes. And we've got two
meetings tomorrow, one at 2:30, one at 4:30. First meeting is for the joint uh power agreement. Second is a regular waterboard meeting. Tonight, Jill and I and Dean attended the public safety board meeting over at the PD. Uh we've
got a contract to sell the dog that Cody had to the wife >> or the significant other. Basically indemnifying the city of any responsibility if something does happen. She's buying the dog as, where is, and what is, and all liabilities off the
city of Aurora, White Lakes, and the police board. Uh they're going to be hiring a new officer to replace Cody. Uh we had to vote for that tonight. And possible sergeant future sergeant position in the future. And there's going to be a possible loss of the
school resource officer, which could mean a cost to each city at White Lakes and Roar of about 12 grand. Mhm. >> Um there's no way we can really cancel the contract cuz it's what it's got to do with is apparently federal funding.
And if they lose it, they can't pay for it. And it's lose the officer or lose the Dina schools and they'll lose the officer. But then we're we're look looking at facing that loss of 12 grand. It'll have to come out of some of his
budget. But I I would presume that as much as we struggled with our budget earlier for the year that he's going to have to the the police chief will have to do something also. That's all I got. >> All right. Lots of updates. Thank you.
Uh councelor Eman tonight. >> Um so next week is National Library Week. Um, Michelle wanted me to bring up like there's story time on Monday, Tuesday creations, puzzles and games on
Wednesday, there's a pottery class from 1 to 3 on Thursday and it's a $10 registration fee. Um, Echoes Beyond the Pit, which has been pretty popular there, and then there's a family and bingo on Saturday. That's about all I have.
>> All right. Thank you. Counselor Matson, anything from you? >> Uh, nothing for me tonight. All right. Uh, on my end, um, they have their first, um, garden club meeting tonight. That's at 6 at the VFW. So, if you're
interested, um, in attending that, you've got about 5 minutes to get there. Um, but yeah, they they have them second Tuesday of each month. Um, I think until
September, I believe. Um but yeah, second Tuesday of the month at 6:00 at the VFW. So if you're interested, I know they're um always looking for for new people to go and uh attend that to help out. Um and then day two, the the Rams Group, Range Association of M
Municipalities and Schools. Um they had headed down to um St. Paul to do some advocating for the uh Iron Range. I was hoping to get down there, but we had the the meeting tonight, so had to miss out on that. But other than that, no no other big updates from me.
So, we will move ahead. Nothing for old business. So, right into new business 11.1, uh, arts and crafts program. We have a public notice. Um, anything to add on to this, Dean? >> Uh, no. I believe it was in the agenda last year that there's nothing to vote
on or motion. So, >> okay. So, just use this as umformational. Um, so yeah, continuing with the arts and crafts program this summer um for the kiddos. um begins June 1st through
July 30th. Um again at the community building um and they don't have the program July 20th to the 27th just kind of water carnival time. Um and we'll run from 8:30 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. for kids uh
4 to 8 and then 10:30 to noon um for children 9 to 12 years old Monday through Thursday. Um, and then you can get registration forms from the White Lakes website, city hall, um, or call into city hall for more information. So glad that we're continuing with that um,
and giving kiddos the opportunity to, um, yeah, do some fun stuff this summer. So, moving along to 11.2, mosquito control, uh, with DNB environmental services. Um, and again, like with the Arts and
Crafts, um, public notice, we get this every year. Um, we've been contracting with these folks for, um, as long as I've, um, can remember. Um, is this anything that you're able to speak to, Kenny? >> Uh, no. Like you said, it's it's the
same contractor that's been doing it now for probably close to 10 years. So, um, every year, uh, he has his pack shipped to the city garage, one of the we take delivery of them and then he
has a few special events like the water where he does extra dollar amounts are the same as last year, too. So, there's no price increase. Okay. Yeah, >> sure. >> The mosquito.
>> Oh, I think you all know me. Former city councilor. So, when I was on the council, I did some digging into this. And I think if you actually do some digging into what it's costing the city compared to what you're proposing
it's going to cost the city, you'll have your eyes opened up. At the time when I dug into it, it's the same contract. And the way it states there, it looks like it's going to cost about $8,200.
That year, it was over $15,000. H. >> So there's a lot of difference. I think this is another generic contract that was supposed to be changed when I brought that to the council's attention.
They still approved using the guy and he said because they've used them for 10 years. But how many other things possibly is the city okaying in and using because we've done it for 10 years and we're released again.
>> What additions were there that increased that too? >> Oh, it was pretty interesting. He was charging us rent. He had a rent the Bobcats or the equipment back side by sides he was using was charging the city
for the rent. he was charging the city for the insurance that he had to provide in the contract. I mean, if you dig into the DND invoices from last year, you'll find point out what's in there unless it's totally
changed. But I just wanted to bring your attention what I found out when I was on the council when I read the agenda. This is the same generic contract that was presented to me. Did they take any action at that time?
>> Did you take any action at that time? >> To switch to a different provider, but the counselors out of me and they decided to guide that the whole time. And at that time, the administrator was going to dig into and
change the contract, but I see it never got changed. We've had a lot of change in that position. Dean, can we look into how much it cost last year? >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. >> Before we Maybe >> Joel wants to review the contract, too. >> I have and I don't It doesn't allow for
any of those things. >> Okay. >> The contract doesn't allow for any of those things. >> Additional items. >> The those additional items that you're saying charge saying that it's going to be 4,000 up front, not to exceed the 250. Mhm. >> Correct.
>> Yeah. But it did. >> But it did. Um, >> was this something that I No. Yeah. Thank you for >> knowing the background, >> right? >> No, it helps just like with the the seat
administrator position last night. >> Who did I look into? >> Oh, there's a there's a sign up. I don't know. It's not D and D, but there is another mosquito control and
>> they did present a pole the next year and we still was more than the 8,000 that he would stand a lot cheaper than the 15,000. >> So, how did he get to charge the insurance because the contractor says
that he shall provide that. I realized that I did some digging. I went into the bill room and found the DMV bill and all the line items were listed right on there when he charged the city. So, >> okay. Do you do any special calls
throughout the year or >> uh other than water? I mean, I don't know if that's a separate charge that he does. I don't I've never seen bill the contract. I want to think the water carnival was an additional charge last year. I I'll
look I'll look into it. >> It's not under his contract. The contract says that it's for the golf course, campground, and water carnival. >> Oh, it does. Okay. >> So, um >> he does do a little extra spring. He got the campground and golf course
that when he's on there, he does a little extra out there. whether that's yellow. >> I'll I'll pull pull the invoices. >> Um so would folks um on the council feel comfortable um just tableabling this at
this point and then giving Dean the the chance to look back at those invoices and see what we paid um last year just so that we can make an informed decision. Um >> if you need a motion, I will make that motion. >> Okay. Motion from councelor Jarvala to table this agenda item. Is there a second?
>> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carried. Moving on to 11.3 cemetery caretaker/recycle driver uh hiring committee
recommendation. Um so last week I believe um Kenny Dean uh myself and councelor um Mat uh scored applications for that position and then completed interviews. Um didn't have as many
applicants as I maybe thought there would be. Um but we completed those um interviews. Um and through the interview process, um we're making the recommendation to the city council to hire Shane Stewart for that position. Um
just kind of what stood out to me was just kind of his um in his interview like his initiative um discussions on attention to detail. Um and then he has engaged in kind of um relatively similar activities kind of needed to um complete
the duties of that job. So that's the recommendation we have. Um, anything else to add for Kenny, Brent, or >> No, good. >> Um,
yeah. So, that is everything that we had wanted to provide. Um, is there a motion to um approve the hiring committee's recommendation to hire um Shane for that position just pending the or pending the
successful completion of those post hiring requirements um like the background check? >> I'll make the motion. >> Motion from councelor Matson. Is there a second? I will second that. Um all those in favor I.
>> Any opposed? >> Hearing none. Motion carried. Moving on to 11.4 uh community volunteer cleanup notice. Um this is justformational too. Um Dean. >> Yeah, that's all it's just informationational. Okay.
>> Unless you want to review it or something. Um so yeah, Wednesday, May 6th, they'll be doing the community volunteer volunteer cleanup. Um volunteers can meet up at uh the community building at 5 um can clean up
public areas um in places. Bags will be provided um and then please leave all um bags of trash in one pile so it can be uh easily accessible uh for the pickup crew the following morning. Um and then May 13th uh Wednesday is a backup um day
in case of a rain delay. So that is justformational. Moving on to 11.5 East Range Water Project um labor agreement. Um do you mind speaking to this Dean? >> Sure. Uh so this is a project labor agreement. So that it just agrees ahead
of time that we agree to uh for all the contractors on that will be working on this project years down the road are going to be um in unionized and um so so they want this on the front end before we seek funding because it helps
the process go smoother going forward. I think you're in some of those meetings too and it and you have to provide the prevailing wage charts and all that for and and it actually identifies all the labor unions that this would be in effect for um and then hearing from the town of White and then
>> Oh, and this is for the joint water project. I should point that out. >> Yeah. So, yeah, the town of White and Aurora recommended that we go through with this um again just with the um helps out with the process. And then in your past experience, Dean, with like
your other employments, you thought this was >> it's very similar to a union contract, just a collective bargaining unit kind of negotiating. >> Um, and we have to do it. I mean, we when we do get funding, we have to provide prevailing wage and
wage information. So, um, this is formalized. And then with this um agreement, are we agreeing to the agreement, I guess, or are we um just giving Bolton and Mink the um indication that we're
going to be doing the I'll >> I have the motion in there if you if so what the motion could be the motion to include a project labor agreement in place for White Lakes portion of the joint water project to ensure the general contractor hires union labor and
pre provides prevailing wages. Okay. >> Um, anything to add to this, Dave? >> It'd be tough to get it done without >> Mhm. >> if you're an on range.
>> Yeah, we're going to do it anyway. >> Um, any other comments or questions from anyone else on the council? Um hearing none, I'll ask for a motion to um include a public or project labor
agreement um putting that in place for the White Lakes portion of the joint water project um to ensure the general contractor hires only union labor um and prevailing wages and abides uh to the terms of the PLA. >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion from councelor Jaba. Is there a
second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor I >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. >> And and Joel, by the way, once I get the act, this is just a draft. Once I get the real one, I'll send it over to you for review.
>> Uh 11.6 East Range Water Project Conflict of Interest Waiver. Um is there anything to add to this, Dean? >> No, actually I just gave that to Joel at this >> No, I I reviewed it. It was in the
packet. It's a standard uh notification from Fryberger because they represent some of the entities individually and saying that there may be a conflict because they're representing the board and uh the the the waiver request as
presented is reasonable. It's my recommendation to sign it as provided. Um, with that, is there any other questions or comments regarding this um waiver request, contract of interest waiver request? Um,
hearing none, I'll ask for a motion to um approve um signing of this conflict of interest waiver. >> So, motion from councelor Jarvis. Is there a second? >> I'll second that. >> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? I >> I opposed. Hearing none. Motion carried.
Um moving on to 11.7 uh New Range Arena um center sign uh sponsorship discussion and we have Johnny from New Range to kind of speak to this. So >> thank you. Uh my name is Johnny L. I
community relations over at New Range and I just uh put together a couple of remarks for the council uh for this agenda item. Uh thank you mayor and council members for the opportunity to speak regarding the proposed making rights agreement with the Hoy Lakes Arena. New Range values the Hoy Lakes Arena as an important community asset
and recognizes the role it plays as a central gathering place for local sports events and youth programs. Uh this proposed naming rights partnership is intended to support the arena in a way that is financially responsible, sustainable, lowrisk, and respectful to the city's ownership and authority. Uh under the proposed agreement, the green
would provide a $10,000 annual sponsorship payment in exchange for exclusive naming rights to the facility subject to annual renewal and city council approval. The lake uh the city of Hoy Lakes would retain ownership of the arena authority including coordination and review of signage design and placement. All costs
associated with signage including design, installation, maintenance and removal would be fully born by a no additional financial or operational burden to the city. Uh the agreement is structured to provide flexibility for both parties if it is renewable on an annual basis, allowing the city to
reassess the partnership over time while also including clear provisions for a signage removal should New Range or the city choose not to renew. This approach minimizes long-term risk and preserves the city's ability to act in the community's best interest. New Range views this as a straightforward sponsorship and partnership with the
city, one that provides consistent revenue which maintains transparency through the city council approval process and strengthens our long-term relationship with oil lakes. Uh we respectfully ask for the council's consideration and are committed to working collaboratively to ensure the arena continues to be an asset to the community.
>> All right, thank you Johnny. >> So I'm happy to answer any questions but uh just feel like this happened really organically. I think it actually sprung out of um reaching out regarding they used to say poly on the dasher boards and the conversation kind of just turned into turned into something else and we
certainly view it as a community asset. So >> yeah. So for those yeah wondering Johnny had some like went down to the arena to talk with Bucky about putting up like dasher boards or doing some sort of advertising um and then kind of turned into maybe naming rights to the arena.
Um and then just Dean, myself and and Bucky have been talking about that what what that could look like. Um just what um wanting to yeah continue to work with a good community partner partner um like New Range and then looking at um getting
or finding some creative ways to find some um extra funding to come into the arena so we can take that burden off of residents. So >> I think the other thing on the the annual basis um while we're in pre kind of production or operations we can't really sign multi-year contracts. Um so
that's one of the other reasons for it just being an annual um kind of thing. Usually these things are a little bit longer um time span, but just where we're at as a project um maybe in the future we can do something that's a little more longterm so we have a little more stability in our
>> I should point out that uh we don't have the actual finalized sponsorship yet. So what you have in front of you is the notes from our meetings from prior. So, um, so yeah, we'll at some point be getting some sort of contract and then, um, we'll be going over that with the
council for, um, official approval or not, I guess. But, um, that'll come to a future council meeting. Um, but today was more justformational, just giving the council a heads up that, um, this is something we've been kind of working on and, um, looking to partner with New
Range um, on this project. So >> happy to answer any questions and I think >> Sounds good. Thank you. >> Um, anything to else or anything else to add to that on that? >> I don't think so. I'm pretty excited about it.
Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, any other comments or questions from anybody else on the council? Uh, hearing nothing, we will move along to 11 8
uh 2026 sexual assault awareness month mayor proclamation. So, every year uh the sexual assault program of northern St. Louis County um sends us a packet um uh just regarding uh sexual assault awareness. Um so the sexual assault
program of northern northern St. Louis County for those that aren't aware um provide advocacy services for the victims of sexual assault. Um they help um folks all around the county um including here in Ho Lakes. Um so we're
very thankful to have a group like that around here. Um just with um the different services we have on the Iron Range, we don't have a ton compared to places like the cities or um the Luth and places like that. So lucky to have them. Um so yeah, this is just um
proclaiming April as um sexual sexual assault awareness month. Um so I will make that motion. Uh is there a second? >> I'll second. Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion
carried. Um, moving along to Water Carnival 2026. Dan, about that time of year. I usually come down once a year and I'll kind of update the council on on everything that we got. I know a little bit about last year. Uh, it's about 3 months away now.
So last year by far I think the committee's point of view is the biggest and best water harm we ever provided. In fact I was just notified about two weeks ago that we are up for uh what they say the best small town festival in
the state of Minnesota. >> Oh wow. >> We'll find out if we win or not. The dates this year are uh July 23rd through 26th. We have a 4-day festival and uh this year um
it was it was really big last year and we plan on having it probably about the same size as big as it was last year because we did book that big national band hair ball again one more time. That brought in a lot of a lot of people.
Uh the waterfall has really grown since uh I took over about 21 years ago. I think our budget was about $30,000 and uh it's now close. Believe it or not, it's all it's getting dang near a quart million dollars.
>> Oh wow. Well, it's over $200,000 and we do it with about 22 250 volunteers and helpers. Last year we had we had a followup meeting with some of the council members uh Kenny Mel
Jordan and uh you all last year went really really smooth. We hardly had any incidents uh with police or or that kind of stuff. It was probably one of the best years we've ever had. Uh the one thing that did come out is I know Mel, I
still remember what you said is we got to do a better job. uh the flow of traffic in town for emergencies uh and up by the community building. In fact, this year our plans are we're not
going to have any parking past um past the hotel entrance all the way up to the community building. It's not going to be anything. Uh we need that for EMT to get in and out uh because that is a a mess that Saturday night if something happens
and uh we kind of taking away that parking as the years went on. Uh the beach parking lot don't have any access to that. That's where we'll shoot off the fireworks again instead of using the uh fine three ball fields. That seems to
work really nice and didn't hear any complaints about that. I think people really like it. And uh we're still going to have a Last year we planned to probably over over plan and overthought it. We thought that we'd be
getting about 3,000 extra cars in town because of the airball concert. We might have had 1,500 cars extra, but we didn't use our designated parking lots that we had with Celebrate Aurora. That was a It just didn't It just didn't work. People were going to park on the
streets. said, "We're going to pay the $10 where we at designated sites, you know, and that's one of the problems that we have to kind of put up with in town. Uh where they park is where they park, you know, we put up all the strand and stuff, but that 4 hours. I mean,
that's uh they're going to park where they park. We're still going to put up a couple we'll still probably have a a lot or two like we did last year just with signs over full parking, but there won't be any or anything like that. We didn't need it last year. We we thought there was we probably thought there was about
9,000 people there last year on this Saturday night. Um, one new thing is there'll be a VIP area this year on the top of the community building. Uh, and that's going to be for a lot of our major sponsors for the water carnival. They'll be able to sit and watch the concert from the
top of the water carnival. Open up the windows. They'll have some food and beverage up there, bathroom, air conditioning. It's kind of reward for uh helping. I look at people like uh people that have given us $1,000 every year for 18 years. Uh the Roy Boys and all that kind of stuff and we give them six
wristbands. Well, we're going to do a lot more for our sponsors. Uh now, uh so any major sponsors going to have that I guess that chance they can watch that up there. And I already talked to Jordan about it, but Jordan uses that as kind of a kind of a little mini headquarters,
I guess, for Friday night, Saturday night with the police. So we're going to kind of share that and all all that kind of stuff. We don't know how many he's aware of that. It shouldn't be a lot stressful, a lot less stressful this year with most of the road construction
completely done. There's a little bit left in I don't think not like last year when we were sweating bullets, you know, 2 3 weeks before how we're going to do that. So what I've done is I haven't enclosed in your packet. I think you have the event application, the liquor
license application, and the bingo application. And I guess what I'm hear the last thing is here to uh ask the city council to get to no money. Uh but for I think there's even uh I think I even handed in something there were something that some
of the some of the inind services that you provide whether it's ambulance whether it's police or um and again um we appreciate everything the city does especially department couldn't do it without him. Uh we kind
we haven't had any meetings this year, but we've been doing it for so long. Each each everybody, so we kind of know it's all we all have to do and all that kind of stuff, but if anything comes up, we'll meet them. >> That should be it. It's a little recap. >> All right. Well, thank you. >> Any questions?
>> The blue and white in kind services are what we spent last year. That's these are the city's numbers, not Dan's. >> Okay. Um any questions for Dan? hearing nothing. Um >> yeah.
>> Um supervisors are on your ends is everything good with still have the ability to provide those in services >> with a smile on our face. >> Always.
One thing I want to say is like last year with people parking on the streets, we couldn't get ambulances and fire trucks down those roads. So I mean we have to put no parking signs on at least half the roads like suff or like why do
suffoke cuz that was that was bad. >> If you request us to do that, that will be a meeting with Jordan and we'll have to work that out and stuff. I don't know. There's no parking signs on every street in white. I don't know how they do that. >> They used to do it like by my parents
house. They used to do half of that was no parking for a while. >> One side of the road maybe or >> Yeah. And that's what they used to do. >> I had to take an ambulance down Arlington last year and it was horrible. No.
>> Um, but good. Yeah. That it's on your radar now and hopefully we can work to make sure that that that's resolved. We'll we'll come up with something. We'll try to come up with something. It's not going to be perfect. Those four hours when you have 89,000 people in
it is what it is. Only four only six hours. You know, the whole total thing, right? >> Yeah. >> All right. Um we'll kind of go line by line here. Um so the first point 11.9 I'll combine A and B. So this is
approval of those inind services. So um Kenny's workers um EMS firefighters those different types of things, public utilities. Um so we're looking for a motion to approve those in kind services. >> I'll make that motion. Motion from
councelor Mat. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. >> One extra thing about service is just bringing up last year we thought big
influx of people that Jordan had hired extra police >> from around the area more than a usual water carnival and we did pay for that. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. He did send us a bill. It was more than what he had it was more than what we agreed on or we did pay we did pay
that off. I think what happened is there was a murder or two murders down in Duth and the people that were coming up here they would put on administrative leave you remember someone but they couldn't do that and all of a sudden they had to get extra cops that would usually pay
sheriff you know Rob Gilbert's in there do that so he got extra extra so we did pay for extra police if that happens to be able to do that >> Sure. All right well yeah thank you for letting us know that. Um so moving on to
11.9C. Um this is the temporary liquor license application. Um any discussion on this? Um hearing nothing. I'll ask for a motion to approve that. >> I'll make a motion.
>> Motion from councelor Ecman. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Uh, moving on to 11.9
uh D bingo application. Um, this looks similar to all the previous ones we've had before. Um, so I'll just ask for a motion to approve that. >> I'll make a motion. >> Motion from councelor Ecman. Second from councelor Jarala. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed?
>> Hearing none. Motion carried. And lastly for the water carnival 11.9 special event permit application. Again just like other application or special event permit applications we've gotten this looks similar to those. Um so I
will ask for a motion to approve that. I'll make a motion. Motion from councelor Ecman. Is there a second? >> A second. >> Second from councelor Madson. All those in favor I >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. All right. Thank you, Dan. >> Thank you.
>> Moving on to 11.10. Um, a request to allow campers in the arena parking lot. Um, do you mind speaking to this, Bucky, a little bit of request permission? Some people are going to pull some campers
pretty much asking guidelines for a lot of this practice. Who would be responsible for cleanup the next day? >> As of right now, uh, whoever rents the
responsible for the clean. Yeah, I realize they do the interior, but I'm saying on the outside, would would he be under under the understanding that he would be responsible for clean up of the parking lot if there is a mess? >> Right.
>> I I get the reason why they want to do it. I mean, it it mitigates drunk driving and and everything else, but you can also end up with systems, raw sewage, garbage, who knows what out there that hopefully he understands that
that's his responsibility. >> Correct. I mean, yeah, in a perfect world there. >> Yeah, exactly. We still have >> I'll just make a comment. I'm going to abstain from any vote on this. I'm
officiating the wedding, so I'm involved with it. So, I will uh if you do vote to approve it, I know the family personally and it will not get left a mess. This one specifically, again, going forward, we want to do it, but I mean, this one specifically, they're not going to leave
it a mess. Yeah. >> And it sounds like they booked the maximum hotel rooms. They've done everything else they can. They're just looking for extra space. >> Can we come up with some sort of a contract that they could sign like?
>> Yeah. >> Do you normally do a damage deposit or a cleanup deposit for >> weddings and stuff? >> Yeah. >> So, they pay a little bit extra money. They pay a little bit bit extra money on top that they get refunded if it's to
your satisfaction. >> Yeah, >> okay. So, kind of what I was thinking in talking with Tammy and Betsy too. Um, this would be another I mean, not a big revenue maker, but if we allow camping there, like you had said, it makes
sense. Um, but having some sort of fee, but then putting like a a cleaning deposit down. >> Um, so kind of was thinking is like if you want campers there, um, I went over costs of different things down at the point. So, a campsite that's
non-electric is $25 a night. And then a um a camper like in the field where there's electricity is $30 a night. So kind of maybe what I was thinking and again this is just like an arbitrary number like if you want to camp there it's 150 bucks and it looks like 150
bucks is what um each person pays when they camp down at um water carnival um when they do the camping there. So we could say maybe um 150 to camp there and then >> for the whole group or for >> right so I was thinking
>> for the individual >> was just like the whole group it's something >> but then another 100 for like a cleaning deposit so like $ 250 >> and then you get that $100 back if you clean it up and there isn't a big mess afterwards. A little bit about that is
even with water probably something you don't know we all the camping down there we actually have to apply for license for that because we pay a fine every year even though we apply >> you have to have a place to wash your
hands running water that won't come up it did it for us for 20 years all of a sudden >> we got fined like well we have the arena but we're not going open up the arena to all the softball campers and their water, right?
>> We always got by well there's running water in the water in the in the in the arena. We said that and then she gave a check cuz you got no running water here. You know, you don't have no like So we pay we pay we pay a fee. I think it's $200 to allow camping there and then we
can only have so many people and we exceed that and we pay a fine every year. >> How much? >> That just started a couple years ago. I'm just so I'm just letting No, >> you might they might not say anything. >> Sure. >> You know >> how much they find you? Well, at fisherman's point just as fish point.
Yeah, that's a mile away to walk. They're not you wash your hand. You know >> what what's the point of the permit if they're still going to find you? >> How much was >> square feet or something, you know? So, we charge we do charge but we charge
usually for that. We charge 150 bucks a >> That's what it looked like on the website when we looked. >> It was only like a 12 by like 12 by >> there was only like 12 spots down. >> Well, there's a little more than that now cuz now we have about 18 or 20. And
I think that's the problem. You know, when you come in there, >> but we charge $150. The city used to get the money because whoever ran the fisherman's point would administer the overflow parking in
the arena. That's what Harters and I mean this goes way way back. They don't want any part of it anymore. The city just said no bon it's yours. In fact a couple years we forgot to even collect the money. Remember you were on you were on 10. We went down there on a Saturday
morning and collect the money cuz we forgot to collect the money down there for free. >> Sure. >> So >> what was the fine charged by the company? >> Which was it? The fine was for I think was occupancy
and no running water. >> Well, no dollar amount. >> Not a lot. >> Does it matter if it's a camper and you have water hooked up? I mean, a lot of campers will have water in their tanks. >> Well, that's that's what he's saying is camper parking. So, I I would assume
they'd understand there's no running water or electricity for them. >> Well, there were tents down there, too. >> But I'm wondering for this it says campers. >> They see the pickups, you know. >> I mean, another thing here we could do too is the bride works for the county as
like a land usage person. So, I mean, we could probably ask her to verify that we're not going to get a fine for letting her camp down there. So, I'm >> Let's say there's six campers, >> right? I don't And I don't Yeah, I don't think it's going to be
>> Well, we have a check tournament every year. There's usually two or three. >> We were We were We had applied We had applied for a camping permit for the arena, >> right? >> We were I I couldn't believe it after all those years. Three, I think three years.
We If we actually apply and pay >> and then they find you anyway. >> And then they they find us. Yeah. Then they find us. What are you going to do? You said, "What are we going to do in town? What are we going to do?" >> Right. >> Got 1500 softball players. There's no hotel. There's no steam in the chambers. There's nothing to park. What are you
going to do? >> Right. >> So that's what it is. >> Point just plug. We can't put them out there. >> So it's just something that you might come across. >> No, we appreciate that. I might come across that. Um, do you have any recommendation,
Joel, with how to kind of proceed with it if we were maybe wanting to do it? >> No. >> No. >> Uh, I based on what I'm hearing, it would require some additional uh some additional research to make sure
that we're complying with what we would uh >> so maybe tableabling it to give folks the chance to look into a little bit. >> That sounds like a good idea to me, mayor. Okay. Um, so yeah, I think that's a good idea. Dan brought up some good information that maybe we wouldn't have
I don't think we would have known if he wasn't here. So, thank you for yeah, speaking up and letting us know. Um, so yeah, I would agree with Joel. It sounds like there's some extra things that we need to account for. Um, and then if if it is a number of campers that can be in
there, maybe we can write up a little thing where they can only bring in six or whatever whatever the the um that threshold would be. So, I think um a good idea would be to table it. So, um is there any other motions that folks
would want to make or do folks want to um table it? >> I just have a quick question. Is there any chance that the difference there is that that is like a committee putting on an event and having people camp there? Then >> that that's what I was going to say. Maybe just like it's a oneoff event or
something, you know, like what you do. It's kind of like that. >> Well, they have their reserved anyways. So >> that's what I'm wondering about like the permit and the the fine like is that because a w the water or water the committee is putting on the event.
Is this just the city's just saying, "Yeah, I mean, if you guys want to park a camper there and sleep in it, I It's like It's like people camping at a Walmart, I guess. I mean, every single camper that pulls a Walmart doesn't have to go get a county permit to sleep there." So, I guess I'm just wondering if that's what it is is because is that an event getting put on by the committee
charging people to camp there? >> Is that where, And that's a question for Joel or a question to look into. Is that where that might be coming from? >> How big of a wedding is it? I have no idea. I just know I'm supposed to be
there and say words, >> I guess. You know what? And going from that immediately carried away from >> That's just what I'm wondering. I >> when Tammy and I got married 25 years
ago, the next morning we went down to clean the arena. There was six or seven campers there that we didn't even know. I mean, the people were responsible and did drive home. and my mom drove her RV >> and you didn't police it that night of your wedding. How >> Well, like I said, I I understand it
because it'll mitigate drunk driving. If if they're there at the motel, they're not driving around town. They're not driving out to wherever to go stay. >> It keeps them off the road >> and they have nowhere to stay. >> At least have a camper.
>> Make sure it's organized. See, I could understand if they sent out things, you know, all their invitations. Hey, bring your nobody back the arena parking lot. >> But again, I mean, legally, that's something we might want to look into first, I guess.
>> And waiting cuz I'm not against it. I'm leaning more towards allowing it just for that, >> more so for the safety piece of it. And they've already went through the due diligence of packing the the hotel. So, I'd much rather have folks safe staying at the arena rather than drunk driving or trying to to walk back out to Blake's
house in Skybo and getting lost. So, to be honest, I guess at least for the, you know, five, six years I've been here, I haven't seen it being a problem. And if it's going to be a problem, it's usually water. It might take a half hour clean up.
Um, >> the reason the reason we're fine is because we go over the >> the capacity >> number of allowed. >> Okay. >> That's why we get I think we can put in 15, we might put in 25. >> Oh, okay. And that's why we get fined.
>> Okay. Um, and it sounds like their wedding is what? In June? >> June 6th. So, if we wait till the next council meeting to approve it or not approve it, would that make or break anything or >> I wouldn't say it's going to make No, I don't think it'll be an issue. So,
>> I think it it would just be smart to um table it and then give us the chance to look into it a little bit more just to make a better informed decision. So, um is there a motion to table it till next council meeting? >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second. >> Motion from councelor Ecman, second from
councelor Jarva. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carried. And then I >> still abstain from that. >> Councelor Mat will abstain. >> I don't know if I need to abstain from that, but no, >> better to air on the side of caution.
So, yeah, thank you for letting us know. Um, lastly, moving on to 11.11, uh, ambulance billing service, uh, contract and vendor change. Will you please speak to this, Mel?
>> Yeah. Changing billing companies. >> I would like to change billing companies. Joel, you've looked over the contract. We made that one change. Now you're good with it. >> Yeah. There's So they they updated the law to use Minnesota law. It's still venued in Jefferson County, Wisconsin.
So I just shoot back and say update it to here. I have the council approve it pending that change so that if it does have to get litigated, we're not trying to do it in Wisconsin. Go bikes. Okay. >> Um, sounded like you'd had issues with
the previous one or the one we have currently. So, it's tr >> right. >> What happened to just >> your level of service isn't what we expect.
>> Yeah. I'm not getting what I thought we were going to be getting. We did at first and then there's been multiple >> Yeah. Weren't you guys saying that there was >> phenomenal amounts of money coming through? >> Yeah, it started out great and the business model kept changing and things
kept changing and then we were getting different account representatives and this and that and we're slowly seeing our service decline within the last year, the last
6 months, 5 months for sure. You said that the company has changed hands too, right? >> Yeah. So, initially when we when we I found this company, we were going to go with them, it they they knew they knew
while they were taking us on that he was selling the company. So, we went on with him and then not a month later the company was sold to the company we're currently with, which they did. They started out great. The first couple years were were great and then now we're
just slowly seeing a income in in revenue. Um there's a lot of billionaires being made. Um the more I'm looking into it, the more I'm getting irritated, but we're moving on. April
30th will be their last day. We'll start with the new company. May 1st. It's a difference in the prices between what you've been paying now. Um I think charges is $15 per run and then on top of that 2% of any revenue and the
company we're going to switch to is 4% revenue and that's it. So the more money they make for us, the more money they're making for themselves. >> Have you had projections done of what it's going to mean for the city
>> for costwise? is going to be roughly the same. You bring in um $800,000 4% of that's 32 and that's basically what we gave them last year. So, but there strict this new one would
strictly be a percentage. We're not paying them per run. >> They only get paid if we get paid. >> You think that's a good incentive and especially if Yeah. you're running into issues, but we're with the service that we're having now, it makes sense to to
switch just to um in the hopes that it doesn't get worse than it already has. So, all right. Um any other comments or questions for Mel. Uh, hearing none, I will ask for a
motion to uh approve the change to the um this new billing company pending that change um to um Minnesota that that Joel had referred to. So, is there a motion for that? >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion from councelor Matson. Is there a
second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Jarvala. All those in favor. >> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Um and then I'll abstain from that. Um Jill, do you want to abstain or do you want >> I'll abstain too?
>> Okay. >> So then we don't >> we do we have a quorum with all of them. >> We don't have a two. >> Would that is that an issue? That is not a personal matter.
>> I mean, we're not >> I don't know necessarily if if there needs to be >> I don't think I don't know if there needs to be an obstainer just cuz you're on that doesn't >> Yeah, >> cuz are you are you both on the >> fire department? No, >> we don't have Sherry here.
>> Yeah, >> I'm not hiring Jill or Brian. >> Do you want to fire me for a few minutes? They don't they don't do any of the billing. >> We don't have anything to do. >> They're not involved. We're not benefit from it. So, I don't know.
>> My advice would be to wait until you have a quorum of people that don't have a potential. >> Oh my god. I have a May first deadline. >> I know. I know. Um >> like seriously, I have a May first deadline. I am done first. So, we won't have any ambulance runs built out until
we have signed contract. Just letting you know. I would just note the potential conflict and that you're voting anyways and not recusing because acknowledging the conflict, you're deeming it not to be uh
uh a a violation of uh your ethical duties as members on the on the the force. >> Okay, got that. >> Yeah. Um so in other words the the uh governing body the city itself has the
duty for the uh for the conflict analysis and if you make a finding on the record that you're doing this uh because of the circumstances and the lack of quorum otherwise uh but acknowledging it and that it's not actually a conflict because it doesn't
affect you personally at all I think you're okay. >> Okay. So, yes, won't they beat me up in the parking lot ditto to what Joel said. Um, I repeat all of what he said. So does Jill. Um, >> but I think it's on on the ethical side
of things. I think it's more ethical to have an ambulance service, having revenue, and being able to to run and provide services to residents. So I feel yeah definitely ethical and confident in being able to say I and then Jill I too >> I
>> All right well you don't have to worry about that. Um but that is it for the um agenda. So I will ask for a motion for adjournment. >> So motion from councelor Javala second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? All