All right. 5:30 on the >> We'll call the regular city of White Lakes council meeting for Tuesday, April 28th to order. Roll call, please. >> Councelor Jar >> here. Council Recman >> here. >> Matson, >> here. >> Mayor Scott, >> here.
>> And councelor Grahams is not present tonight. >> All right. Thank you. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Moving on to the consent agenda. Has everybody had a chance to read through that? Any comments or questions um for anything in there?
Hearing nothing, I will ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented. >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion from councelor Matson, second from councelor Jarvala. Uh, all those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion
carried. Moving on to the guests and citizens forum. Is there anybody that has anything to say or any questions? Nothing. We will move right along into reports from staff city administrator Wyberg. >> Um
so as I said a while back a couple those some of our bonds matured a while ago and even some last year that we didn't know about right I wasn't aware of. So we did reinvest some of the the monies from the bonds uh that did mature in the same funds 4.3% interest. And then also
I'm meeting tomorrow with uh Northland public finance tomorrow and look and see what he can offer as well. So we have we'll have two players in the bond game. And then well as it relates
to the PD question came up about fundings that they had and and we are able to reinvest those funds from the K9 and the DARE program if we wish. Um that's it. Oh, our audit's complete and journal entries will be going in. So,
prior to our our next financial meeting or when the finances come out, we'll have the adjusted entries in. So, we'll be looking at last year's hard numbers, audited numbers. So, >> sounds good. Thank you for taking care of all those things. Um, we will move
over to city administrator Luiki. Anything from you tonight? >> Thank you for the uh promotion, mayor. I appreciate that. >> You're turned off. >> What did I say? >> What's that? >> You said administrator. >> Oh, city city attorney. We have two city
administrators now. City attorney. >> Uh, no, I only have uh some comments on on items on the agenda. I'll wait till they come up. >> Sounds good. Thank you. City attorney the wiki. All right, moving on to reports from elected officials.
Councelor Jarvala, >> I have nothing tonight. >> What? >> That's a first. Yeah, be go ahead. >> All right, councelor Ecman, anything from you? >> Um, I went to a library board meeting last week and they hired a new clerk.
They hired DJ Westover. Um, so she'll be a a good addition, I think. Um, I started planting seeds with the kids for the kids community garden, so that'll it'll be interesting to see what we grow, if we grow anything. And that's
about it. >> Sounds good. Thank you. Uh, councelor Mat, >> nothing for me. >> All right. Uh, for me, I attended my first Youth Hockey Association board meeting last week or the week before. So, just kind of getting updated on all of their things. Um, kind of the only
piece maybe that we'll have to coordinate with rec Director Peterson about. Um, potentially next year them not having as many volunteers as they have had. Um, so maybe just looking at some alternative ways to make sure that the concession stand or the hockey hut, whatever name you want to give it, um,
is just kind of staffed during, uh, different events, hockey games and things like that. So that's kind of only kind of the big, um, update that I would want to provide. So that is it from me. So we'll move right along into old
business. Uh, 10.1, mosquito control contract with DNB environmental services. um we had Dean kind of look into um kind of the finances of that and paying and just making sure that we were um providing the amounts that we were
supposed to be per the contract. So, do you mind giving a little update on that? Um >> yeah. Yeah, that's uh I went back well Betsy and I went back three years. We pulled the invoices from the mosquito contract for and they matched up exactly to the dollar amount of the contract.
So, we weren't charged for any additional services or rentals. And that's uh addendum 10.1 on the contract for anybody's information. >> So you can move that. >> All right. Um and then I think last
council meeting talked with um Kenny about them providing the services. It sounds like they do um a good job for what they do. Um is there any other further discussion or questions regarding um this contract with um this
group? Hearing none, I will ask for a motion to approve the mosquito control contract uh with the MB environmental services. Motion from councelor Java. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? I >> I.
>> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Um yeah, thanks for looking into that, Dean and and Betsy. >> Um 10.2, uh request to allow campers in the arena parking lot. Um we had touched upon this last week or not last week, last council
meeting kind of discussed, um it had been brought up that potentially there's um a limit that you are able to have. Um sounded like Water Carnival has ran into that before. Um, so they kind of brought that to our attention on like how many
campers or um tents, those different types of things you can camp in are allowed um in a space. Um, is this something that you were able to look into at all, Joel or Noel?
>> No, I have not I haven't found anything that would be particularly helpful on that. >> Okay. Um, I guess the only thing I', so when we went back into the office either the week after or whenever, um, talked with, uh, Sher who used to work at the
county, um, and she's, um, so it wasn't the county that was going to water carnival, kind of, um, finding them for having too many campers there. Um, it was the Department of Health, it sounded like. So, I looked on the Minnesota Department of Health's website just to
see um, what this might be regarding. So, I looked at their summary of general requirements for recreational camping areas. Um, so if you want to know anything about recreational camping, I did a ton of research into it. Um, so I'm your I'm
your new expert. Um, so what I had found, so I'll just kind of read what it has here. So, recreational camping area means any area whether privately or publicly owned used on a daily, nightly, weekly or longer basis uh for the
accommodation of five or more tents or recreation recreational camping vehicles free of charge or for compensation. So I guess just my reading of that is for something to be like a recreational camping area it needs to be less than
five if I'm reading that >> more than >> or if it's it's a recreational yeah it's a recreational recreational camping area if it has five or more. So I guess okay that's how I read it. Um and then just there's different requirements that go along with what a
recreational um camping area is. Um, so I think if we approve it just for the um arena parking lot, I I think four would be fair. Um, just so that we don't run into any issues with the Department of Health. Um, I I would think that they
would probably want more than that, but um, just in reading that, I think we the most it can be for without running into any issues with the Department of Health um, just for right now. And what I was thinking with with this kind of being a
first time type of thing with like a wedding um just having it free of charge, them putting um the campers there. Um, and if everything goes well, then we can coordinate with with Dean and Joel and
um, rec Director Peterson about um, coming up with some sort of agreement or working things in the future to where that might be a draw for folks for being able to um, pay and use that spaces um, to do overnight parking in campers. Um,
so I think just using this one as kind of a trial run and everything goes good, then we can proceed with looking at different ways of using that to get some revenue when when folks want to camp or or use that facility for overnight. Um, so that's what I was able to find. I'm
by no means an expert. Um, but that's just what I was able to find. Um, is there anybody else that has anything that they have questions about or um would want to talk through? Well, we discussed in the last meeting about the uh security deposit, if you would, you
know, yeah, damage deposit, whatever. If they pay that, >> and I really like the safety aspect of keeping people from driving after a wedding, that's that's a whole lot better off. I mean, if they're going to the motel or staying in a camper down
there, if they're not on the road, we're all we're all better off, >> right? Any idea, Brent, how many people they're going to have staying there in campers? >> I She didn't say I guess so. I don't I don't know. I think it was more of a
just she didn't even know a number yet. It was more all of a sudden she had people reaching out saying, "We can't book rooms at the hotel. They're full. Where can we stay? The campground's full." That type of stuff. >> Yeah. >> And so it was more of I think she was preemptively reaching out to be like,
"Can people just do that?" Well, they stay down there during the water carnival. >> So, you know, >> I mean, I I understand the Department of Health stuff, but I'm like, so that says priv private or public land. Like, I mean, so if growing up my kid had six
friends out at our land in Aurora and six of them threw up tents, that's all of a sudden considered a recreational camping area and the Department of Health jumps in and gets involved. Like >> I think >> I feel like that is maybe because we're a city entity I get.
But like just to say well any private or public land like holy cow, >> right? And I I don't think you're going to see someone that works for the Department of Health driving around looking for kids camping in the backyard and going and stomping on their fire and saying get out of here. U but so that's
what that's the information I was able to find on the Department of Health's website. Not saying that I agree with it by any means. Um just yeah having five or more tents in an area that's considered a recreational camping area. I I don't >> they send some over to the community building parking lot.
>> Right. So that's they spread out in the city. >> So that's kind of what I was talking with rec director Peterson about is that they asked specifically about the um arena and they had it put on the council agenda for the arena. But if they want to touch base with rec Director Peterson
about some additional overflow or whatever, they can do that. But >> I I would presume no fires in the parking lot. >> Yeah. You know, so I kind of >> like I said, we they're down there for water carnival and this is just before, right?
>> No, this is June. >> Yeah. So it's before water carnival. >> Keeps them off the road, too. Mhm. Um, so would you want to put the number limit on it or just kind of
>> You're saying five to 10 is the >> five or more tents or recreational camping vehicles. So that's like four RVs in a tent. That's from me reading that it seems like that would be a recreational camping area. changes that go
through the provider. >> I mean, there's no other stipulations to this like we're not like it's not saying that to have that recreational area you allow people all the time to just come camp there or like because this is one event and they're just staying
overnight. Is that does that take that away? I mean, I guess I feel like you can't just that the department I feel like that's not just a shouldn't just be a generic t like if there's five or more camp their tents in one area that's now a recreational
camping area. Like it's just >> I think you have to provide like a shower facility and all and all that kind of stuff. But again, I'm wondering if that means if the city were to say this parking lot can anybody
can pull up and camp in there whenever they want. >> Mhm. >> I feel like is that I guess I'm thinking that's more of what these stipulations are. I mean, >> it's actually different. They I do know that they have a a special event uh
camping the I think that's what the uh citation you're referencing mayor was talking about is the special event uh camping permit that was a license that the department of health has. Um that's what has the five or more uh
constraint on it. So, if you're four or less, I think that you're okay. And anything over that is potentially going to be an issue without getting the permit. Uh, Water Carnival already does this. They already obtain the permit for uh the areas that
have this special event uh camping through the Minnesota Department of Health. that I'm sure someone with that committee has information on what's required process >> that because they didn't have the the bathroom the >> the things they needed to have with it. So
>> Jill, they'll have access to all the facilities because they have the keys for the weekend >> for that wedding. >> So they will be able to use the bathroom if they wish and water. >> Yeah. And I I don't know what those I don't know what those requirements are. But when they do like that bike group
and they have how many tents you >> say do they get a special permit with the city or with the state? >> I don't. >> Yeah, cuz >> there was likeund and some tents all I don't know >> and there's nothing there.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, they're not hooking up to anything. Yeah. And again, yeah, I don't agree with the definitions and things like that, but um if we said this for the arena, it doesn't take away from them touching
base with Bucky and putting a couple up by the um community center um parking lot or over by the beach or some different parking lots um if there's some additional campers that they need to have. But >> or they can just pay the fine.
Would it >> if they come? >> Would it be them paying the fine or us paying the fine? I don't that's where I would I don't know. >> Where's the land owners? >> Right. So, I would assume >> I think the fact that we know about it now would be us. >> Yeah. >> If we never knew about it, >> right?
>> So, we get a ticket, they can pay it >> next time. >> Um, so your recommendation, Joel, would be keeping it under or for under? >> Yes. >> Okay. So I I I had looked through it on different so I looked through the the website and um different things that
they might want to require just so that it goes fine. So like um David mentioned with the fires and things like that. Um is there any further discussion before I bring up kind of the potential motion I was thinking about in my brain? It's kind of a longer one but any other
pieces? Um, I mean, four is something again that's keeping people safe off the the road from and like we had talked about before, they um sounds like they booked out the hotel and and things like that, but they can still coordinate with Bucky if there's um more than four campers looking where to to place those
and things like that. So, um yeah, we want to make sure that everyone that goes there is is safe because they've done their due diligence and um filling up the the camp or I don't know if it was the campsite too, but for sure the hotel. Um, so kind of what in in my mind
I was thinking, um, so the motion would be to approve approve the use of the parking arena parking lot for a one-time use of overnight wedding parking um, from June 6th June 6th, 2026 to June 7th, 2026 for four or less campers with
conditions that the campers don't block traffic or exits. Um, that there are no open fires, and that the wedding party ensures that the space is uh, cleaned before they leave. So, that's kind of the motion I was thinking about. Do people think that's fair or make changes? >> Are we going to have them pay like a
security deposit or >> when talking with Bucky with just being this being like a a first time thing with allowing this and us not knowing if we were allowed to put four or 10 or whatever, um that we just see how this goes. We use this as a trial run. um not
pro put putting any sort of fee on it. And then if things do go good, there aren't like fires and um that they start and that there's not like this big trash heap, then we look forward to um making changes to um like when folks uh pay
deposit for the arena though. So >> So they are paying for the arena already. So there are funds coming in that way. But I think this is just a good trial run to see how um allowing some overnight parking at the arena goes and if it goes good then we can look at continuing to allow that and then but
putting an additional fee on it on top of um renting out the arena. Um so that's kind of what I was thinking. So at this point not putting a fee on it but they are still paying for the the arena and using it for their wedding. So um how does that sound to folks that
that motion? Did that sound good to you guys? Okay. Uh, I'm not going to read it again. So, is there a motion for what I had said before? >> What was it again? >> I refuse. >> Could you repeat that? >> I'll make a motion.
>> Motion from councelor Ecman. Is there a second? >> I'll do it. >> Second from councelor Jarvala. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Hearing none. Motion carried. And then I think um councelor Mat will abstain. Yep. >> All right. Yeah, I'm kind of
disappointing that it can't be um more than four um if they do end up needing more, but again, they can coordinate with with Bucky on that. But at least we got four campers to allow some some folks to stay there and not worry about um drinking and driving and things like that. So, all right, moving on to new
business. Uh 11.1, uh Jway LLC liquor license transfer. Uh it looks like that'll be for um the Haven to provide um their services at that wedding on June 6th. Um so this
looks like uh a typical liquor license that we usually see. So is there a motion uh to approve Jway LLC liquor license transfer to the arena on 6626? >> I'll make motion. >> Motion from councelor Ecman. Is there a second?
>> So moved. >> Second from councelor Jarva. All those in favor? >> I I Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carried. >> I guess technically do I abstain from that one also or can I that one? >> Um you >> I don't think it matters but
>> Right. Yeah. >> Um >> I don't know if the other that one's not so much a personal. That's the Haven asking. That's true. I that >> nice. All right. We got um councelor Matson on high for that one. Um, so they're
getting their liquor, which is important for a wedding, I suppose. Um, 11.2 Ranger Snowmobile Club Minnesota lawful gambling application. Um, anything you folks want to share about that or >> um, we're just going to be running a
raffle around water time. >> Okay. >> And, um, we just need the approval to do the drawing in town. >> Sounds good. All right. So, they will be doing that at the VFW. Um, I'm sure they'll have like flyers and things like that going out. Um, but this looks like
a typical um application that we usually get. Um, any discussion or questions for that? Uh, hearing none. I will ask for a motion to approve the Ranger Snowville ATV Club U Minnesota lawful gambling application. Motion from councelor Javala. Is there a second? >> I'll second.
>> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Moving on to 11.3 broken putter license applications. Um, so we have these three that I think we've gotten in past years. So, liquor
license, tobacco license, and then THC license. Um, anything to bring up for any of that? >> Same as Oh, well, we prated it last year and we're planning on prorating it again this year for the THC tobacco liquor
license. We don't prorrate. That's that's the 660 fee, but we do have in the past been prorating the THC and tobacco license. >> The THC license, is that for drinkables or >> um last year the both?
>> I think >> and drinkables or was it smokables or >> no smokeables? No, no smokables. >> Um so I think yeah, they did that last year. Um I didn't hear of any uh issues with um yeah the drinking side of the
THC or the gummies or anything. So um there's that. Um but so it sounds like not prorrating u liquor license but we'll prrate the tobacco and THC licenses um just considering that they're not open for the that full year. They're just open for that specific
amount of time. So any further discussion on any of those things um or questions >> hearing none. We'll one at a time. >> Yep. We'll go through it through A, B, and C. So, um 11.3A,
I'll ask for a motion to approve their liquor license application, and that won't be prrated. >> I'll make a motion. >> Motion from councelor Ecman's, second from councelor Jarvala. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Moving on to 11.3B.
Uh motion to approve the tobacco license. Uh, and that will be uh prrated. >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion from councelor Matson. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? >> I.
>> Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carried. And lastly, moving on to 11.3 uh THC application. Uh so I will ask for a motion to approve uh the THC application and that will be prrated.
>> I'll make a motion. Motion from councelor Ecman. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Nay. >> Uh we have one opposed or nay from councelor Jarvala. Uh but motion
carries. Moving on to 11.4. Um so 11.4 through 11.8 it looks like will be for our seasonal hires. Um so starting out with 11.4. Uh, looks like
arts and crafts instructor. Uh, the recommendation would be to hire Jill Ecman. She's done that for the past handful of years. Um, and I've heard nothing but compliments for that. And I'm not just saying that cuz she's sitting right here. Um, but um, so
again, Kenny and um, Bucky, and I'm sure they coordinated with you too, Dean, about um, who they thought they should um, give those positions to. So, >> all right. So I'll ask for a motion to approve Jill Ecman as arts and crafts instructor. >> So moved.
>> Motion from councelor Jarala. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? I >> I >> I'm going to abstain. >> Oh, I that's a good idea, I suppose. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. All right, moving along to 11.5.
Uh looks like they have a recommendation for the arts and crafts helper. Alexi is the recommendation. Uh, is there a motion to approve her as the helper? >> So moved. >> Motion from councelor Java. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Got it.
>> You're seconding your own helper. >> Yep. >> She can second it. >> All right, we'll give it to Councelor Ecman. Uh, all those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carried. Moving on to 11.6.
Uh, recommendation for mowers. Uh Paul and Doug. So is there a motion to approve them as the mowers at the golf course? >> So moved. >> Motion from councelor Jarva. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? I >> I. >> Any opposed?
>> Hearing none. Motion carried. Moving along to 11.7. Uh Wade West as assistant greenskeeper. So is there a motion for that? Um for him to be the assistant greenskeeper out at the golf course. I'll make that motion.
>> Motion from councelor Matson. Is there a second? I'll second it. Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Hearing none. Motion carried. Uh and then lastly for the seasonal hires, we have the student summer hires. I won't read through all the names. Um but is
there a motion to approve the summer students for their uh positions within the public works, utilities, golf course, and then uh just general recreation? >> Question. Yes, >> I know one of these teenagers. >> Plan on abstaining. Do I have to abstain
from all of them? >> Um, no. Um, >> it's the public utilities and he's the only one. Austin Walner. >> Okay. Um, yeah. Well, we'll we can do it by section. >> Okay. >> I know them all. >> I was going to say I don't know if that's >> Yeah, I guess it's just cuz it's
neighbor. >> He's my neighbor. My nephew's been there. >> What's that? I was going to say she's got she's related to somebody in I mean if there's no if there's no problem I've known him since he was born >> cousin's in there >> in a small town >> right
>> I do have one question I know it's come up in the past like with >> uh Netzinger's kid not working under him I see on here under recreation is Huck Peterson is that considered a conflict of interest with Bucky being where he is
>> I don't think So was part time. >> I thought it was just >> cuz I know that's like that's why Jared when he would he had to work at the golf course. He couldn't work under >> Kenny. >> Kenny. >> I just don't want I know that there was
a uh like >> nepotism >> nepotism thing brought up not that long ago that passed through everything. So, I won't say how I know that, but um I just I could care less. I don't think
there's going to be any issue, but I mean, technically, is there an issue there? >> I thought it was for Se. Well, it wasn't just cuz >> Yeah, cuz they always had Jared work at the golf course cuz then he wouldn't be
directly under Kenny. >> And that was the reasoning why is what they said. >> I'm bringing up now because I don't want to hear somebody complain about it later. I I don't think it's an issue. I really don't. But and I know like in the summer
Bucky is out at the golf course. So I guess I don't know what the recreation ones do anyway, but are they really under Bucky in the summer? >> I think they're the ones that do like the fields and that kind of stuff. >> And is that still technically under
Peterson Bucky? >> It would be. >> Mhm. I feel like I remember it just being for full-time employees, but I'm not finding it. Um, would we need to have this done for tonight or can it wait till the next >> It doesn't matter what department we we
assign them to. If you're going to hire them, you're going to hire them. >> Okay. >> We can we can always change the departments if we have to. >> Okay. Um, so yeah, we can do that as hummer or hiring these kiddos for um for a student summer hires and then if we
find out that um if part-time can work under whoever um then we'll leave it. But if part-time can't then we can just shift things around into different um because we have public utilities and public works in addition to public or the recck department. So um we can move
things around. Um, so I think that that would be it. Um, yeah, I don't think, yeah, the neighbor piece of it, you would have to abstain. Um, >> what's that? >> Yeah, with with the neighbor piece of
it, I don't think you'll have to abstain. >> Okay. >> Um, >> what about my nephew? >> I think that would be Yeah. >> Um, you can abstain just just from him. >> Just for him. and then I'll abstain just from Huck also. So, um is there a motion
to approve um the uh hiring of the summer students? >> So moved. >> Motion from councelor Jarala. Is there a second? >> I'll make that motion. >> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion
carried. Um and then Jillain. >> Who did you guys abstain from? Nikos is my nephew. >> She'll she'll abstain from Nikos and I'll abstain from Huck. Um but then yeah, we'll look into um uh the
full-time versus part-time thing and then we'll um kind of go from there. >> Are you related to Huck? >> Yep. Unfortunately. I'm just I'm just kidding. >> Your mic is >> right. Oh, I forgot to mute myself. My bad. No, I'm just kidding. And again, I'm not just saying that it's just
strictly because of the nepotism policy that got passed because I think that was for just full-time because they they've made a way around the EMT thing, I believe, right, for that. >> But I'm just saying I know it's been common practice that the director's kids work in different >> right
>> areas other than under their own. >> So yeah, something that Dean, you can follow up with um the directors about and figure out what the best way to proceed with that is. I know my brothers worked with my dad, but he wasn't a supervisor, but they they would work at
the water plant where my dad worked. So, I don't know. Um, yeah, something we can follow up on. Um, moving into 11.9 postage machine lease agreement. Do you mind speaking to that, Dean?
>> Oh, I was doing some math for a customer back there. Um, so that this is a renewal or renewing a lease for our postage machine and stamper for um, Pney Bose. So it's just
it's up it's three years. It went up $60 a quarter, so about 200 or 240 a year. Um, so it's a three-year lease. We get a new machine, updated software and all that. And then we can keep stamping cards and
envelopes. It's for postage, too. So, it's not just a stamper. It's a postage issue. >> And it's identical to the one that was approved three years ago. I just did it. Other than the price went up a little bit. >> Okay. >> All right. Any further discussion or
questions for Dean with um this lease agreement? Hearing none, I'll ask for a motion to approve um the postage machine lease agreement. >> I'll make a motion. >> Motion from councelor Ecman, second from councelor Jarvala. All those in favor? I >> I.
>> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Um finally, moving on to 11.10. Msabi's class of 2026 arena fee waiver request for prom. Um so yeah, we generally get this request um during prom time. I think we've done it the
past handful of years um just with kind of the limited funds that they have um as like a not school but as a a group or committee that um plans these and puts these on they or put put this on um they just request that the um fee be waved
and again we've done that for the past handful of years. >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion from councelor Ja. Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? >> I >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carried. Uh, and that is it for our
agenda. So, I'll ask for a motion for adjournment. >> I'll make that motion. >> Motion from councelor Matson, second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Hearing? None. Motion carried. Thank you.