You can't >> that's the joint powers board. It's economic and community development and we can better be doing >> you can't force people to open a business. You have to have someone interested and then you can support them. You can't just force someone to do
something. They have to show interest first. >> And we do that. Ir has grants we'll offer them. The city has inind services we can offer them. >> There is so much out there. It starts with someone interested in opening that business. That's where it has to start.
>> Again, but someone has to come to you and say, "I want to open a daycare. How can I do this?" And we say, "Here, here's all the resources. we can help you. So it's a again it's a circle. >> The what company? >> The company that you pay that brings
these people to town. >> We're part of the joint powers board each city, >> but they have there's there's a group that runs that auditor. >> Yeah, the North Group is our consultant. Yeah. >> You're paying them to find these people.
We're paying them to support our efforts in finding people to open businesses and housing. We're not paying them to do magic. I mean, they can't do magic. They they from Duth. They come here to talk to us and find out what we need. Yeah. >> But if you're paying for it, you're not
getting it. Why are we paying for it? >> Because they they have provided a lot of insight. And when Kurt Antelo was our economic developer for 30 years, obviously he did a lot in those 30 years. or why in the world would he have that job? We do support the community, but you can't work magic and force
things upon people. You have to have an interested party. >> You're paying. >> That's what I'm saying. If I remember correctly, it was 20 or $30,000. >> Northband Group gets well more than that
in a year. Public cities pay 15,000 a year. Each city pays 15,000 a year. And when we talked, I remember saying, "So you're telling me that the amount of people that they discussed twice with, we paid $5,000 each for each
one of those people." >> I don't know which. Sorry, I'm not I wasn't following that. >> You I asked how many people had they brought to town or how many people had they talked about Point Lakes at that time. You told me about three. And I said, "So, you're saying we're paying
$5,000 for one to talk to one group to come here?" >> I I guess I'm I don't recall what Yeah. What the three referring to businesses or >> I know there was three businesses interested in the new industrial park in Aurora.
>> That's the only thing. Yeah. time that time. I said, "How many people have they brought?" Because we see business going into Aurora. We see business going in. We see new construction going on in Aurora
and we see nothing. And I'm saying, "Why are we paying them if they're not doing anything? If they're not doing anything." >> And I think we all want the same thing. That's why we're all in this room. You know, we want White Lakes to thrive again. We want new businesses. We want new houses. We want the city streets to
be nice. But >> again, that's I hope >> good place to end. I will ask for a motion. >> Uh is there a second? >> Second from Eman. All in favor? >> Any opposed? Motion carried. All right.
We are past 5:30, but I will call the regular city lakes uh regular council meeting for Monday, October 27th to order. Roll call, please. >> Winklers Gr. >> Jarala, Ecman, >> Mat, >> here. >> Mayor Scott, >> here.
>> All right. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. >> All righty, moving on to the consent agenda. Has everybody had a chance to read through that? Any questions or comments or anything in there? Um, hearing nothing, I'll ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda as
written. >> So, motion from councor Jarville. Is there a second? >> A second. Second from councelor Grahams. All those in favor I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Um moving on to the guests and citizens forum. Is
there anybody that wishes to speak or have any questions? And we have the public forums meeting. Hope everything or hopefully everybody got everything out if they need to bring that. All right. Hearing none, we'll move on
to reports from staff. Um, right. City administrator Wyber is not here, but we have Deputy Clerk uh Sansinger. Anything from you tonight? >> Nothing tonight. >> Recreation Director Peterson. Anything from you?
>> Just agenda items for Bucky. Um, anything from city attorneys? >> All right. Thank you. All right. Moving to reports from elected officials. Councelor Grahams. >> Um, I just wanted to remind people that
the Chamber of Commerce has their annual haunted trail and kids Halloween party at the community building on Saturday, November 1st, and that starts at 4:30 and goes till about 7:30. Other than that, uh, nothing to report tonight. >> Sounds good. Thank you. Uh, councelor
Traba, >> I have nothing. All right, councelor Ecman. Um, >> there are about 30 kids interested in garden, so I'm kind of excited about that. I might have to get another chunk of land for that.
>> All right. Uh, councelor Mat. >> Um, yeah, back on October 8th, I attended the Ranger snowmobile ATV monthly meeting. Uh, the first one I was able to attend since I've been a part of the council here. Um, so that was interesting to attend the meeting. Uh,
they just kind of wanted us to know that they are currently taking not applications. What's the word I'm looking for? >> They're registration >> redoing their board. So, they're they're going to be hiring a new for electing a new president, secretary, and so
director. So, those positions are open. Um, they also did give a big thank you to the city of White Lakes uh for use of equipment and screening of dirt and stuff as they were working on the trails through here. A lot of interesting stuff, a lot of big trails going up uh in the area. Kind of along the lines
that we were talking about hopefully maybe drawing some more people in. They are expanding trails out into the abyss this way. So, um, this isn't really the end of the world of the ATV trails and snowmobile trails anymore. it's going to keep going that way and looks like there's a chance they'll be connecting
like that down to two harbors. So, um connecting to that stuff. So, that would be huge to get all that connected. So, other than that, we have nothing. >> Very cool. Thank you. Uh nothing from me tonight worth sharing. So, we will move
on. Um nothing for old business. Moving on to new business, we have 11.1 max spray change order summary. Um, do you mind speaking to this Bucky a little bit? >> Uh, yeah. probably that
they're asking for. It's actually two chain or one for the 88 elevator lamps that go up onto the features. Originally, uh would come kind of come
sit down on the concrete like that, but with them not being recessed at 3 in would just made anyone else kind of walking through. So, we'd have to get block the area off and it would kind of
limit our walkway towards the east wall. So, I kind of tripping. So what we plan to do is just recess the ramp itself heater that was never inside of which is not sure how they mess it, but
uh it is. And the other one on top of that, the heater, the wiring, the unit, all that stuff is some emergency stop buttons on the hot water heater.
So once they they got spec,000 [Music] stop right there, >> is that stop installed on the gas line going to it? >> It's electric.
>> The heater is electric. >> Yes. 300,000 B2 electric water. >> In the past when we started discussing why such big hot water, we didn't really get the explanation we wanted. It's okay, but we just came
back. So that's because with that ammonia system inside of there, you have shower and wash station. So water go a
10 minute watch or whatever. >> Is this replacing those several water heaters that were installed like a year or so ago? >> So this water heater is just in that new building in the back.
Why wasn't gas as opposed to electric? >> You know, it's funny. I don't know what to do with that, but I think just with everything inside of there, everything is trying to keep just not having other safety issues
inside of that building. So, we haven't seen I I I got to ask the question because that is a chunk of change for something that's not designed to be a team showering item or anything like that. What are
they planning on usage of volume of water? Well, in case there's multiple emergencies in there, there are two different show. So, their theory is is that the size
they need to carry that temperature for a long period. So they're thinking like there's going to be possibility of exposure to a moment for multiple people. >> Well, yeah. Right.
>> I honestly I didn't agree with it either. Um and I went back and see >> you said that come from state like they're ones that because of this ammonia system that's what they want correct next to it. You talked about a heater for the
compressor room and this is maybe it's a dumb question but I've been in the current compressor room and it's very hot in there as it is with all the equipment running but because this is now a standalone building does it need a better heat source being out in the
elements or even source fire that And that's not the bulk of these expenses. I was just I see it's only 620, but I was just Yeah. >> Right. >> And do you feel it's necessary? I know
you said like it's kind of a tripping hazard or in the way if we don't do the lifting like as a you know manager there. Do you feel like it would >> really be in the way if we didn't or >> get I this one was my idea
and I took the mirror there today and I kind of explained to where this elevator platform is going to be and it's the other day too. >> Yeah. Like we're redoing it. We don't want it >> right anything then it just it doesn't
just take away the path itself it would be one thing if we had you know 20 wheelchair handicap people I mean we we don't know like hockey. So we just want to be able to hide.
It's got to be getting close. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We're 92% there. As of this one, we're 92%. >> Yeah. This is approved still hovering around 90,000 where we projected
still have. So 90,000 under budget. Any other questions for recreation director Peterson? Uh hearing nothing, I'll ask for a motion to approve um max gray change
order um with the overall final amount being 10,9865. >> Motion from councelor Mat. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Moving on
to 11.2. Chamber of Commerce community building fee waved request. Um you mind speaking to that Sherry? >> Uh just for the party every year we just um we're a 501c so we ask if the fee can
be waved to host the event and I don't even remember what the nonprofit rate is for community building rental. I thought it was like 50 C. I'm thinking that's a lot, but we always >> and it's usually an annual thing that we wave in.
>> It is >> just for the benefit of all the kiddos in town and being able to have that event. Is there a motion to um wave that fee for the chamber? >> We have a motion from councelor Ja. Is there a second?
>> Second from councelor Ecman. All those in favor. >> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Um, moving on to 11.3 resolution 202532, uh, effective role for current.
Um, do you mind speaking a little bit to that? Tammy, >> Betsy updated it today. People had until today, right before this afternoon, to still pay on everything. So, these are the totals that will be assessed to their property taxes. Most of them are passed to utilities. There are a couple
that are blight maybe two that are blight three and the rest are all just utilities and none of them let's see I don't know that besides the one who had a who had approached us during the public hearing to lower the amount by removing I
believe the penalties the rest none of them have even contacted us I believe according to Betsy so yeah I see one went down a little bit. Um they must have made a small payment.
>> Yeah. But it's Yeah. something. But their balance gets >> assessed then. >> Yeah. >> Um yeah, we've given folk the opportunity to either pay or come and ask for their request at the last council meeting. Um looks like some
added some money into it, but generally this is kind of what we typically do when we have those pass due. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So this is yearly thing. Um, any other questions or comments regarding this resolution? Hearing none, I'll ask for a motion to
approve resolution 20250032. >> I'll make that motion. >> Dr. Grahams. Is there a second? A second from Jarva. All those in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carried. Moving on
to 11. core. Um probably youth hockey association hockey contract. Um you mind speaking a little bit to this? >> We do have contract different ones with them every year. I talked to Dean a little bit about this one. Um it looks
like Hillary had sent I'm assuming in an email to both Bucky and Dean about it making some changes. I asked Dean his opinion on the changes and he said it was mostly just language. he felt that it wasn't anything he was worried about. Um
there was just some clarification that had been in there in the past like just a few little things like the popcorn and stuff just I think now it's just food food items and I would assume they would discuss anything with you if they felt they were getting something new that you might have.
Um other than that I don't think there's a lot changing in it. You can see all the changes that what they added, what they removed. Some of it was just old language, smelling. Um, they don't stop, they don't manage the hot machine, the
Gatorade machine there anymore. So, they wanted that removed. There was a couple things I noticed like just on page two it says um that they'll work all like Rock Ridge
High School um all games um plus special events if requested by this White Lake City Council. I just I think that should maybe just be like city administrator or city staff. Like the council is not going to I don't think ever request them to be open for something. I would think
that'd be more of a, you know, city staff if you guys see someone book something and they want concessions open. I don't think that the council would really be approached to approve that. That's one little thing between the administrator and
>> director >> but then I see they also want um on page three number six it says that if they they'll respons the city is responsible for the cost of necessary repairs and maintenance of the
concession stand because it is our building. But then they also say any fixtures located therein. So just curious like at the golf course contract, is whoever runs that bar restaurant responsible to upkeep their
microwave and their convection oven and their fridge and freezer or is it the city responsibility to keep all those products purchased and working? So just at the arena to be consistent, you know, is is that just typical how we do it like we pay for the popcorn machine and the hot dog rollers and the microwaves
or do they pay for those equipment things themselves? because this one does say repair and maintenance of any fixtures located therein. So I I guess I would just think maybe there needs to be some clarity. Does that I mean
[Music] >> Yeah. Yeah, stuff like that. >> I know they bought a hot dog roller and they bought like certain things, but >> yeah, like obviously I would think we need the fridge and the freezer, like all that stuff to work. Um, if the
coffee pot is ours, we should make sure it works. Is that a lease with Coke? I mean, that's how we do it at the school is we lease >> that cappuccino machine as a lease through folk. I don't know if we own ours if someone maintains it. >> I just think there might be a little better clarity of >> and this is their changes that they
made, right? >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, they're even questioning, is there a list that explains what we own and what the city own? So even they're >> again yeah the way it's written it sounds like we're responsible for all of or the city would be responsible for everything in there but they're even it
looks like they're thinking that we're responsible for whatever we own. So we probably need to >> So even if you add like in the list provided on appendix A or whatever and we list what city owned things that we will >> there's that convection oven where they
cook all the like just so we know like I don't want them to be like oh we need a new pretzel warmer unless that is something we always keep in there you know just and I think it should also kind of be consistent with the golf course if we're paying for certain things at one or the other it should be the same we're kind of doing the same
contract with each one. >> Is it a problem to do an inventory of what the city owns and what they own and have that done as a >> it would take a little >> I'm pretty sure when I was president that question was asked and everybody was like that's just always been there.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, >> but I do know, you know, at least they got $8,500. >> And I think if we're going to lease it out, there are some basic things we do
have to have in there. We can't give them an empty stand and say, "Go ahead, make money." And they're like, "Well, now we have to buy." Obviously, there should be things that just come standard with the concession stand. >> If they feel it's important enough to put it in here, then that that should be delineated and a separate list should be
done that this is city responsibility and this is >> even if it's going forward if people don't really know like I don't know where that came from. I mean maybe the city can be like well we feel like these are five standard items that you need to operate. If you want something different, you're going to like renting
the slushy machine or, you know, a different style warmer or something. But I I think we should have the basics. I I think it'd be a good idea so that it's a CYA for all concern so that we don't end up spending money on something that Hey, we thought the
hockey >> the ones that put it in the car. >> But she's thorough. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Keith, >> but it is best to just have it. So there's not a fight to vote. Well, you need to replace that and the city says we're not dependent spending that much
on that, you know, like just never hurts to be clear and just some clarity because when we first took it over, I was on the h the board and doing the hockey hut and the pot machine was already in. >> So it was from when the city owned it. So it's probably just city. But if something happens to it, is that
something like you say that we are saying we will provide? >> Yeah. from now on like the um for the >> the fountain pop. >> The fountain pop, but that's >> gone. >> So, there were some things that were just initially in there because we used to do it.
>> Probably should replace it. >> Yeah, >> that's probably why when I asked it was like >> been there. Yeah, that that coffee machine. If it's still the same one with the two pots going, the same grease from 194. It's just seasoned perfect now.
>> And then they they want to I think we we used to have it looks like a 6040 split and they're asking to go back to 7030. But I guess just to make sure there's 30 and you don't know what 30% is because you have no idea what they'll make in a year and you can't really even predict that because you don't know about the
seasons and but is just so as long as the 30% typically used to cover you know any any cost that the city might incur as far as electricity and Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> They do want to go back. >> Does youth hockey do the pizza out of there during the kids Christmas party or is that the ambulance crew that does it? So, it's not only them. Is it always only them doing it? >> Yeah. Right. that's used for other city >> things too, I think. Yeah,
>> I said if we had basic items like the coffee pot, the convection oven, the um pizza, you know, if we made a list of the basics that >> Yeah, >> but they want to go back to G giving us only 30% instead of 40. So, just to
point that like are we fine with that? We think that >> I think >> I'm fine with it. It's just something they want to change. So I >> I think their explanation of there being less kids and wanting to keep it down to hope bring back some more kids too. Like
boys hockey didn't have a game there last year at all. You know, there's less events there too. So >> it's nice that junior gold is out of there. >> Yeah. >> I'm fine with 30. I just want to point it out.
They want to change. I guess I I don't even remember even back when I was there what the 40 or 30 even I don't remember the amounts but >> it just went up to 6040 like two years. So I'd be 30 back when I was >> I don't remember what we were paying the
city like I don't remember >> right >> I think they're making up something >> yeah replace it for >> you want the arena used especially now that it's all redone yeah you don't want I'm fine with this 30ft also.
>> I mean, guess we're wait are we kind of tableing this one until we look at that list or we >> want to do that. >> We could make a motion to um just direct city staff to um touch base with the youth hockey association regarding
rewarding that section to figure out >> attached list or something and then we can >> or we can just table it too and just have them. Yeah, let's do that. We can table it and then in the meantime if Bucky and I mean Dean when he's back or 10, not that you have any extra time
that you can spare, but you have a minute, >> but Okay. >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it would be a fight. I just think we have Yeah.
and then change the language from >> city staff or had been or something. It just seemed a weird comment like at the request of city council seems >> we just put up the request of city lakes. >> Yeah. >> Making the request but >> yeah the request of the city.
>> Yeah. Then on the front page, it says that that basically that this will be from beginning of the season October 25 and shall continue until the conclusion of the season in March 2025. Should that be
2026? Yeah. >> So then changing that on the front page. >> That was the big thing. >> Yeah. Yeah, we could have an updated one at some future. [Music] >> And then do is this our version or is this
>> So that's the version that Dean typically >> and then this is the changes that >> that Heather Couple little get an appendix of inventory of what the city >> especially when Hillary mentions it too.
We might as well just be on the same page. >> Yeah. Because I mean, I'll be honest, once Jared was old enough, you as parents, you move on to the next level and the ones who take over don't necessarily know what you know, right? >> So, it's just easier to have it written.
>> All right. So, we'll table that and then hopefully at next council meeting we can approve that just with some of those changes. All right. Moving on to 112.5 max rate the applicant [Music]
want to add to this Bucky they look like the ones you've gotten before provided us with some updates on the work they've completed It's for the 448 currently. There it is. Correct. They do 448 330.
>> Yeah. >> Uh so yeah, with their email they listed the updates and then kind of what they have left. So, doesn't look like there's too much left before Yeah. at 92%. Hopefully, we only get one or two of these left.
Um, any other discussion or questions for this pay application? Hearing none, I'll ask for a motion to approve next pay application number 13. Uh, looks like in the amount of $448,330.92.
>> Make that motion. >> Motion from councelor Grans. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second from councelor Matson. All those in favor? >> I. Any opposed? >> Hearing none. Motion carried. That vote for the agenda. So I'll ask for a motion for amendment.
>> Make that motion. >> Council Graham. Second from Counc. All those in favor? >> Motion carried. You guys know