e e e e e e e e e good morning the Tuesday February 25th
2025 regular Board of County Commission is meeting will not be called to order we'll begin with a moment of Silent reflection for the First Responders and members of the Armed Forces followed by an invocation by none other than Wesley
Davis our property appraiser and our our attorney Jennifer Schuler will be leading Us in the pledge please rise thank you Mr chairman and how appropriate the moment of silence has been in light of what happened last week
with the police officers so thank you for doing that please assume an attitude of prayer our heavenly father we thank you for the opportunity to live in the country that we do for the for the opportunities that we have in front of us for the community that we live in for the elected officials that are making
decisions today not just on the fiveyear plan but for generations to come may you give them knowledge wisdom and guidance in the decisions they make today and forever in the future in your heavenly name we pray amen
amen please join pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for
all thank you all are there any uh additions deletions to the agenda from the board move to approve we have a motion by Vice chairman law seconded by commissioner MOS anything
further all in favor I opposed motion carries unanimously we'll now move on to proclamations and presentations we have a presentation Proclamation honoring African-American
Pioneer tyone Perry coach Perry and we'll have uh commission Erman present this proclamation to coach sir it's it's my honor to to read this Proclamation present this to you on
behalf of the board and um I'm gonna read it and then then we're going to talk yes sir all right thank you Mr Proclamation honoring African-American Pioneer Tyrone Perry
whereas africanamerican Pioneers have made significant contributions to shaping our community through their dedication leadership and unwavering commitment to Excellence and whereas coach Tyrone Perry a native of gford
Florida has devoted Over three decades to empowering young athletes and students inspiring them to achieve both on and off the field and fostering a legacy of excellence in sports and
education and whereas coach Perry has achieved numerous milestones in his career include including being named the 2023 thund Sunshine State athletic association Atlantic 11-man football
state champion head coach a 2013 to 2014 Florida track and field Hall of Fame coach of the year and a celebrated educator and Mentor who has influenced countless lives through his role as
teacher and coach and whereas Perry's coach Perry's achievements extend beyond Athletics and as he exemplifies the values of resilience P perseverance and community service evidenced by his recognition as
the 1993 Indie River County School District teacher of the year and his tireless work with the Youth of Indian River County and whereas coach car's unwavering dedication to his community and steadfast belief in the power of
education mentorship and determination have inspired countless individuals to strive for greatness and to create a brighter future for themselves and their Community now therefore be it proclaimed by the board
of County commissioners of in River County Florida we recognize and honor coach Tyrone Perry for his outstanding contributions as an africanamerican Pioneer his exemplary achievements in
education and Athletics and his enduring commitment to making a positive impact on the lives of those he serves adopted this 25th day of February 2025 and signed by all five County
Commissioners coach Perry this this is a proclamation to people p piece of paper that doesn't say enough of of what you've done and the lives you touch throughout your career and the in the school system and as a as a citizen a resident of this County along with your
athletic coaching that that I'm sure made better students and better uh people to represent this community in here in River County you've touched a lot of lives and and uh it's it's just
freaking awesome what You' done thank you well coach this is your opportunity to speak a little bit and I know that you have the capacity to speak very well and communicate with the students the
individuals that you're molding that you're shaping you're a grit developer you are a role model par excellance and I know that and you know I I just wanted to share this as I approached you before
the meeting started what was the first thing you said how's your son Joseph you know when I mentioned and I mentioned that we were having a proclamation he was at the house two
weeks ago and when I mentioned it he said coach coach per is getting a proclamation he deserves it why didn't you do it sooner and uh he he he shared how much
you mean you mean to him now the connectivity um there there was another quite a few people have mentioned how much you truly mean to them uh as Joseph said it's not the topic it's the
treatment it's what you do and how you do it and whether it was driver education Sports you had a story for that too um
and an overwhelming experience and and I'll tell you there's been a lot of teachers there's been a lot of guiding lights there's a there's a lot they're all great in in their own way he mentions you yes sir and I I I
was I said well that was that was great I knew he meant something he says well that's how I got one of those uh V City letters he had five of them and he said you meant a lot to him that you thrusted
him into more achievements than he anticipated you know he also said something else he recanted a story about the driving and he wanted me to tell you go
Birds maybe you want to share that but uh I I just want to say that I appreciate what you've done as a father as a member of this community and a person who contacts so
many individuals that have something to say you know a lot of people have something to say but when it's all good it's got to be about you and I really appreciate what you what you do for all the children in the community and I hope
that retirement is nowhere in sight because we have more work to be done for our future thank you coach thank you well um I didn't get here alone as you can see my family um my
co-workers um they made it possible U starting with my grandfather he always gave back you know in giord and uh that's all I wanted to ever do was to uh have my spot and give back to the kids and
uh it's been a been a blessing and uh I couldn't have got it done with my family uh co-workers uh you guys giving me this opportunity and I just want to say thank you anybody else there got to be somebody
else out there it's got something to say they say enough they say enough you want to say something got to b m up this is uh my first cousin but we
like brothers and sisters and uh she's on the downside out of 35 years in the military 36 I'm sorry 36 36 and she was a first female uh what was position
Chief War officer chief warant officer five of the army of the army so she had a lot to do with this is not about me okay this is not about me this is all this is about you um thank you so much for this opportunity to be able to say a
few words um it is definitely an honor to be here to see and witness all of the things his accomplishments and his achievements he's a very humble person um when he gives he gives not to receive anything in return except for the best
and those that He imparts in and so it is such an honor to be able to give God first and foremost the honor and the glory for being able to see you all to recognize all the things that he has done um many things that he's given and
he's done that many people will never know the countless days nights hours um that he's not just been a coach but he's been a mentor he's been a father to some folks right um waking up in the middle of the night going to someone's rescue
because they didn't know if they wanted to live or to die and so it goes far beyond just an athletic coach right or a driver it goes beyond it's it's the humanity and the humility in which he serves not just just this community but he's absolutely Global because again as
he stated I'm in the Army and I take him wherever I go and I take his story wherever I go so again thank you so much for honoring not just him and what he does the spirit that lives in him but for the coaches and the staff that stand behind him and support him and for his
family and his friends so I'm super proud of you thank you for being my brother in all sense and so keep doing what you're doing and only know what you do for price will last first and foremost thank you for your
service uh but I I I just want to say that you you said something about many people will not know they do know you just ask the youth the youth know who the go-to guy is and
the guy that cares a lot about them as they're going through it so I I I think they they are aware and you know if you want really want to know about things you talk to the younger ones because they're the most
impacted thank you thank you sir um just really quickly I'm Mr Cummings I'm the principal at Sebastian River High School um I do take it as an honor to be able to come and celebrate this um this moment with with Coach
Perry um just really quickly when I first became the principal of B High School 5 years ago um I already knew coach Perry um you know he was one of those individuals within our community
whom I looked up to um coming up and our first meeting um we sat down and and I asked him about his vision and his mission um within football the first thing he said to me is Mr Cummings it's not just about
football it's more than football it's about life it's about the wins and losses not just on the field but the wins and losses that we as a people will experience in life and that's the lesson
that he has taught to a lot of kids when you're talking about your son um talk about my children whom um he's coached um teaching him about you know how to
deal with how to celebrate the wins but also how to overcome the losses in life which we all know you know throughout life we're going to have wins and we're going to have losses but how do we persevere how do we come out on top even
in those challenging moments so again thank you thank you thank you from the bottom of our heart anyone else well come on up coach picture anybody else you want up here
all who you wish instructed take one with with himself and then one with the with all the students that coach affected we'd have to have it at the stadium might need the stadium
today yeah for I'll take it for you sorry y'all look I think you need to come closer in you want to be in I took a little video
there breakfast that was the most photographic uh event that we've had but thank you all just uh wait a moment everybody's getting settled in next item on the
agenda will be uh a presentation uh regarding our meals and wheels program good morning good morning k Karen deagle I'm CEO of the Senior Resource Association and it is that time
of year again um so thank you for allowing me to present information about the 2025 Meals on Wheels event March for meals event um our Meals on Wheels programs are dedicated to promoting the health and well-being of seniors in
indan River County and March is an important month course for Senior Resource Association As We join thousands of other Meals on Wheels programs across America to raise the awareness of senior hunger and isolation Meals on Wheels is a Lifeline to
countless older adults in our community and the number continues to grow in uh 2023 Senior Resource Association provided 106,107 we served 144,000
104 meals that's a 35% increase today there are about there's still about 510 seniors on the public funded weight list but thanks to philanthropic generosity of our individuals and organizations in this
community we are able to feed all of those seniors while they are on the wait list for Public Funding um I never thought that would happen actually in the entire time that I've been with Senior Resource Association which is 19 years I I didn't think we would ever be able to do that
so again that uh generosity from the community has just been overwhelming our home delivery meal program helps alleviate hunger by providing hot nutritious meals delivered by SRA staff and volunteers to clients 5
days each week with an additional two frozen meals for the weekend a register dietitian plans all menus to ensure they that it contains the onethird of the daily nutritional value that seniors require but this program as you all know is more than just
delivering a hot meal it's also that daily wellness check our visits provide seniors and their families with a sense of security and allow them to live more healthy and independent in their own homes sadly for too many of our seniors
this visit is the only social interaction they experience until a volunteer arrives with tomorrow's meal providing more than 600 meals each day could not be accomplished of course without the dedication time and effort
of well over 200 devoted volunteers and no one can expl explain the program better than the boots on the ground wonderful volunteers so we'd like to take a a moment to show you the impact that meals and wheels have on Aging friends and Neighbors in our
community we all know people closely in your life that are going through ups and downs and if you can help people on some of their toughest days and you're making a difference with Meals on Wheels you
can see it it's it's a gift when your client tells you that this is the only meal they might have in a day it really opens your eyes we're so fortunate in in our lives and to see that it really puts things in
perspective if it wasn't for you guys I wouldn't make it between the bread and the meals you don't know how many times a meal like this has helped us from starving going all day with no
food and waiting for this the best part of volunteering is you is you get more than you give completes your picture of the world you live in and to be able to do this and help people survive to help people stay
in their home to help people get a nutritious daily meal is is is really A Gift To The Giver it's a simple place to volunteer they need volunteers the people need meals and it just fit hand in glove I think with what I was looking
for we are so fortunate in our lives and it just makes me happy to be able to do something for someone else join us in supporting Meals on Wheels and make a difference in the lives of local seniors thank you all for being here thank you all for your
support it's life changer we need to ensure that this critical program can continue to address food insecurity and malnutrition combat social isolation enable Independence and improve health for years to come and of
course you guys can help so on March 10th 12th and 13th Sr is hosting the March for meals again uh wonderful opportunity for public leaders like yourself and members of our community uh to experience a gratification of delivering a nutritious meal to our
homebound seniors um I know many of you in fact I think all of you have actually participated in March for meals at one time or another and commissioner flesher I know you're signed up um as well um for this time so I appreciate that thank you uh thank you to each of you for your
support now and in the past um and if you're interested please give us a call again it is on the 10th 12th and 13th two times in buau beach and one time up in Sebastian um and again thank you for allowing just a few minutes to help me share the awareness of meals and wheels
uh program how important it is in our community thank you thank you uh Karen it it you know when the when the program started it was again aligned with contact as well and
it it is the uh sometimes for most individuals it's the only contact that they'll have throughout the day unless they Endeavor outward but I I I think that the the the whole uh element has
shifted a bit with the high cost of food and we heard it right on the testimonials without this I may not have food going back about eight months ago we are tracking about 10 people signing up a month um for Meals on Wheels we're
now tracking 35 individuals um a month that are signing out so it's it has a big impct very much so yes yeah well well we have great hopes for the economy uh to improve but uh well uh we're we're
going through this and the high high cost of food and availability for some thank you for all that Meals on Wheels does thank you all right well we we'll now move on sorry about that we're going to go to
uh any approval of the minutes there are none so now we'll move on to the informational items that do not require any approval we have uh uh the elap District 4 pointd uh Peter D
O'Brien uh has relocated so he has uh resigned from that position from uh environmental lands and uh another item uh it was that it's actually overwhelming uh the folks
at State Road 60 hyai and the chenza agency uh have donated a uh sizable donation to our recreational Endeavors so that we can continue to have some
nice pleasant contact and they want they wanted to support uh most of the public Endeavors that uh you see and I just want to say thank you to State Road 60 hondai and the
shenzo U Association M chairman yes I may I want to uh thank commissioner lore for his appointment to M Mr Pitts will be a good choice he's very well versed in the county and he's
a biologist and all that sort of stuff so that's much appreciated I didn't know if if I'd like Mike if he could comment on the on the sponsorship kind of tell us what what we do with
it thank you commissioner good morning everyone uh Michael zto Deputy County Administrator uh so we have a great relationship with rout 600 they've been with us through the years uh they they travel under our sponsorship program which we staff goes out and solicits
sponsorship for team shirts and things that the teams just can't raise money for sometimes trophies sometimes it's a citizen assistance program we call the cap account where we put money uh into an account for um uh participants who can't afford the fee I mean it's just
$50 to play baseball for a whole season Indian River County we're proud of that but if you don't have it we can find it um so this money is there um with great discretion I will give Mr chenza um great respect for that for trusting
staff in how we utilize These funds including um for food and beverage items uh to complement certain um events ribbon cuttings and the like so it's a broad spectrum of uses for the money but it's no different than a lot of the smaller sponsorships that we get this
one is nice because it's a recurring stream of income that we did renew from last year and um doing great things with it so very appreciative and we have room for more if anyone else wants to sponsor a program or a team um contact our parks
and rack office thank you yeah thank you appreciate it no and and and thank I that's very charitable you know we do in we do in exchange if
you will um offer some um exposure for the sponsors on our electronic signage on the back of the shirt so it is a genuine sponsorship opportunity much like those who are investing in the Jackie Robinson game with through the United Way um it is a wonderful thing to
be philanthropic in that regard but you do get uh genuine exposure for your business so we try to make it um worth worth the while thank you yes is there anyone that wish to speak uh regarding anything that's on the agenda
that they may not be able to stay for uh that's the exclusion of public hearings or any quasi judicial matters and there are two podiums if anybody wishes toh speak at this time or we can wait until
the actual item is up seeing none given ample opportunity we'll move on to the consent agenda I would like to uh PLL number nine F Fox rot is there anything else I was going
to pull n f so we're both going I'll be happy to entertain a motion you have I'll make a motion to approve as amended Vice chairman got got you on that one but but we'll accept you as a a
very close second so that's uh approval from Vice chairman lais seconded by commissioner Airman any further discussion all in favor I opposed motion carries
unanimously um I I pulled uh nine F foxtrot uh regarding the Children's Services Division acceptance of a donation for the golden impact ceremony as you're aware this week we will have a golden impact ceremony recogniz ing the
Shakers and movers in children's services and uh many of the organizations that make it happen will be honored well there's a course of doing business and an
individual uh came forward um and uh under JM Consultants I see he's here so I'm going to ask him to to I I want to recognize the fact that uh he
contributed to this great event and wanted it not to be a cause factor for the county and I would truly appreciate that because it will be a very nice ceremony with his benevolence Mr
Andros Mr Andre yes sure there there's a microphone miss Andrew contributed several thousand doll to ensure that the event goes well good morning Commissioners uh thank you for this I uh I'm happy to do it what we
do in seesac is very important work and actually as a seesack member I I think the Credence goes to the staff the staff does phenomenal work makes things better every single day and is getting this
process process down to be better stewards of the money but I am very proud to sponsor this event and I thank you for allowing me to do it to be uh part of the part of something that helps the community as a whole thank you thank
you appreciate it well with that uh I'd like to I'd like to speak Mr chair I was going to pull the item also um for the community I'll I'll read the first sentence of the letter about this matter and this is a
donation uh to uh IRC Children's Services we are pleased to announce that J Consultants LLC will partner with IRC Children's Services as the premier sponsor of the 2025 golden impact Awards
with a donation of $3,000 designated to IRC children's services for the support of golden impact Awards um while the generosity may be well-meaning
um I cannot support this uh the owner of jaat consultant should not be quotes partnering with IRC Children's Services because he is a member of the cesac main committee as he stated is Don is
donating $3,000 to and this is from the letter empower the community services director unquote is entirely inappropriate and potentially could be viewed as self-dealing which is defined as using a government position to get personal
benefits in this case uh attention for his business uh he also has a political Consulting business Mack works and perhaps undue influence if you will on the cesac committee also it sets a in my
opinion horrific precedent for other advisory boards to County Commission suppose uh Mr Todd brano of amaron homes who is the pnz Planning and Zoning member at large offers to have his business quotes partner with planning
and zoning and uh quotes sponsor Refreshments or other items for the planning and zoning board members and staff in my opinion this kind of activity totally undermines The credibility of any Advisory Board and should be prohibited the only donation
quotes sought from any member M of any Advisory Board is his or her time and attention to the matter at hand and his or her time and attention to the matter at hand should be the only quotes
donation accepted thank you for the time I'm actually stunned um wow u i i i guess it's an opinion uh I I I can't support any of your words uh that is uh
rather so disingenuous I I I I don't read any of what you're stating about this uh other than just to take the wind out of somebody's
benevolence um I I I guess you don't get it because you're not known for contributions but I I really I'm lost for words I get it sir I don't think any Advisory Board member should be making Financial contributions in the name of his or her
business you serve as a volunteer position and you should not be benefiting privately from government service that's my opinion thank you sir Mr chairman I I don't see how
anybody benefits by serving in the volun capacity especially on the children's service advisory committee how they benefit and I would I would guess I would ask commissioner Moss did you check with the county attorney and see
if this is proper illegal or anything it's it's interesting because we just um heard about Hyundai it's called advertising a sponsorship is advertising for business that's what it is that was uh number seven uh F I think that was an
informational item so we we just talked about this it's a sponsorship sponsorship is for your business I think business should be kept out of it you know we've had we've come a long way with cesac I don't want to jeopardize
the neutrality of it you know I want to keep you let's keep money away from it you you start accepting gifts you can have undue influence within the group itself I I have a point of clarification for my fellow Commissioners because as a
business owner I do sponsor many things in the community one of the things um that we have been considering sponsoring is the Centennial so as a commissioner is myself sponsoring as Marsh Landing or
Marsh beastro the Centennial giving me undo influence on the board because to me it's just supporting what the work is that we're trying to do in the community and allowing events to occur I believe
that so I'm I'm curious because if so I will stand down on said sponsorship um and let let Michelle know that but I believe that this came up because in the past um the commission has not wanted to
allocate any funds towards the golden impact Awards now if we want to allocate funds towards the golden impact awards that would take this whole situation out of the equation but we have not wanted to allocate dollars to these types of
events which is why this event was looking for sponsors which is also why um the Centennial is looking for sponsors which is why um the Parks and Recreation looks for sponsors for some of their sports teams and leagues that
they do um so I just want to make sure that if this is something that we are going to have an issue with that it's applied appropriately across all of the different venues and opportunities in which we seek sponsorship and then the
last thing I'll say is you know the Economic Development Council is comprised of many many different Business Leaders in the community and those Business Leaders uh sponsor and support many different things that this
County does um through you know different workshops that we do perhaps providing space uh providing um Refreshments those types of things and they are typically uh given um some type
of call out on an agenda on a flyer or something of that nature so I have no problem if we want to have a sponsorship policy but I I just want to remind everyone that that means we need to allocate dollars for these things or
they're not going to happen and maybe that's what we want to do just not have things but I do want clarification because I don't want to be seen as trying to seek undue influence by sponsoring the Centennial certainly I'll be happy to clarify and I think I said it already I'm talking about strictly
advisory boards to County Commission uh the Centennial is not for the community the Centennial does not advise us in any way the the Centennial makes no recommendations uh to us whatsoever so I'm speaking strictly about advisory
boards and I'm speaking strictly about members of advisory boards to us donating monetary gifts to the board upon which that individual serves so this is a very
narrow Focus okay well I cannot understand that but I think think um at this point everybody said their piece and I'm happy to move approval I I you know well no I I just want to comment because you know um commissioner Moss was on uh
an Advisory Board and she was uh designated at seesac and you know there was an individual that was providing Refreshments while you were on watch it didn't bother you then but this
is B than you because it's political you think it's political and and I find it very disingenuous you know someone who contributed to the Sebastian Centennial uh through a political campaign uh you know you you have to
you're picking and choosing what you don't like about other people I think that's so unfair well I'm sorry to to bege someone's AC of kindness and
generosity I I'm trying to figure out the gain that an individual has by doing something nice for an event the same thing we we can't accept gifts so why should advisory boards be accepting gifts we can't accept gifts
unless we declare it as you know well no no that's that's individuals that's they're elected they're appointed but we all we are all serve governmental entity well I I appreciate that oversight and always taking a look at it it's it's always good to make sure that that we
aren't providing opportunities and in which undue influence may happen but I don't I don't feel and I think what I've said what I've heard other Commissioners is that I don't we don't feel that's the case here I think it's a Goodwill gesture so I've made a
motion and there's a second so I'd like to go ahead and ask the chair to call the question if possible all in favor discuss EXC is there discussion no this was old item thank you opposed oppos n motion carries 4 to
one with commissioner Moss dissenting that was unanticipated but unique conversation ation wow all right we'll move on to uh public
items the next item is a public hearing it's quit judicial in nature it's on the agenda and it's a request to amend the zoning ordinance and accompanying zoning map for approximately 8.0 Acres from CG to
General commercial through medical and Medical District this is a qu judicial proceeding the parties involved are in River County and the schwar realy also known as the
applicant at this point I need to ask Commissioners to disclose any expart communication site visits or independent investigations I'll begin with the left um no site visits uh I do drive past it
during the normal course of my day um and I do have a traffic study from kimley horn for this property and thank you Mr Balter and staff and that's it thank you thank you sir none none that I'm aware of
next confirm that each commissioner can have an open mind and is able to base their decision on the evidence presented an applicable law Canon will Canon will Canon will Canon will Canon
will thank you at this point I'll open a public hearing and I'll ask the clerk to swear in any and all Witnesses collectively who wish to speak regarding this hearing
if you anticipate speaking please be swor in do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth thank you we'll now have a presentation by County
staff I don't know good morning board you got the lead I'm Cindy Thurman uh senior planner for long range planning as was stated we have a resoning request from CG to Medical
M the property contains eight acres and is located on the east side of highway US1 south of 41st Street in a residentially mixed use area the property is currently zoned CG General commercial zoning and is undeveloped the
purpose of this request is to reone the property to meed medical Zone district and developed a site with uses permitted in the MBD District such as multiple family housing the area of the county features a blend of commercial and
Warehouse prop properties residential and undeveloped commercially zoned land all line within the urban service area picture at the zoning map you can see here the area all cross-hatched in the
gold is also zoned me look here at the future land use map you can see that this uh property is highlighted is located in a established future commercial industrial future land use
node the ex existing CG General commercial future um zoning district is designed for General retail commercial uses with no warehousing sent in to provide for develop of General retail sales and selected service activities CG Z
district is now intended to provide for heavy commercial activities such as outside to commercial service uses or heavy repair services look at the development standards as you compare the CG and the Meed requested zoning shows that the
only differences really are the side setbacks and the minimum open space requirements the me proposed zonies theend to provide a variety of uses which support major medical facility it protects such ma major medical facility from encroachment by
land uses which may have an adverse effect on operation potential expansion of the facility prohibits land uses that could cause adverse effect on neighboring properties because of noise vibration odors smoke traffic and other
physical manifestations and allows for accessory uses in support of principal uses the resoning request is consistent with the commercial industrial featured land use nodes as I showed you early on the fut featured land use node it is in the
sea of red there so is part of an established commercial industrial future land use node the commercial industrial future land use designation is intended to provide areas for development of Industrial and Commercial uses it is
located in areas with suitable levels of service and infrastructure for urban and development scale located along major transportation routes and separated from residential areas and no FY landage Amendment change is proposed as part of this
request as part of all the review criteria for res zonings we have to analyze everything as PRI riew criteria in 92.1 123 items a through K and whether or not the proposed amendment is in conflict with any applicable portion
of the Land Development regulations no conflicts within the applicable Land Development regulations for the requested Meed zoning designation or present Item B is inconsistent with the elements of the compersive plan we do find that the F it meets the future
aimless you land use element objective one policies 1.17 1.18 and 1.43 item C is in consistent with the existing proposed land uses again it does there is no future land use change Amendment request as part of this
resoning item D is in compliance with the adopted County thoro plan it does meet this criteria the main access for the site is from 41 Street an urban collector item e does it generate traffic which would
decrease levels of service as adopted it does meet the criteria all Redway segments within the area of influence would operate at acceptable level of service ENT proposed Meed zoning item f is the subject change
conditions exist the warrant to Warrant an amendment it does meet this criteria economic conditions have evolved make it increasingly suitable for uses permitted with the Meed District this is particularly due to the existing Meed zoning directly to the east of the
subject property item G with this request decreased levels of Service established for sanitary sew sewer pable water Solid Waste drainage and Recreation we find that it meets a criteria the applicant may be required
to pay connection and customary fees a more detailed concurrency review will be conducted conducted during the development review process as a reminder we are required to review everything uh against section
9107 of the L Dev regulations for conditional concurrency review based upon the most intense use the CG and the M both have the same most the is there equatable under retail and medical office use for the most intense uses
generated item H the result in the significant adverse impacts on the natural environment the site is currently undeveloped and vacant densely vegetated when the development is proposed and more detailed environmental analysis based on the site specific
development proposal will be conducted item I result in the orderly logical development pattern specifically identifying any negative effects on such pattern we believe it meets this criteria that the request will facilitate a more orderly and logical
pattern by aligning the zoning patterns in the area particularly with the adjacent Meed Zone to parcel and the nearby commercial and residential development supporting overall cohesive land use strategy in the area item J in conflict in the public interests and is
it in harmony with the purpose and interest of the Land Development regulation staff has found no adverse impacts to public welfare and finds that the request aligns with the purpose purpose and intent of the L Dev relations and item K any other matters
that may be deemed appropriate in review in consideration of proposed amendments such as police protection fire protection Emergency Medical Services all concurrency mandate facilities have adequate capacity to accommodate the most intense use under the proposed
zoning District so in conclusion the requested Meed Zone district is consistent with the goals objectives and policies as previously stated of the County's adopt a competive plan and ldrs is compatible
with the surrounding area and strategic strategically beneficial for the community supports the contined development of vital medical Hub meets current anticipated land use needs and does so in a manner that is environmentally responsible and the infrastructure is compatible supported
by staff and at the planning zoning commiss meeting on Thursday September 12th 2024 the voted the commission voted unly to approve the request to recommend approval staff in the plan zoning
commission recommend that the board of County Commissioners approve this request to reone the subject property from cgu to meed and we're available for any questions does anyone have a question to sta
would that be commissioner Moss yes thank you Mr chair um this it's actually not a question but since you gave me the kimley Horn uh thank you for providing that the kimley Horn uh traffic impact statement I'll offer uh
that information here U this is just one sentence from it from the cover letter uh dated May 1st 2024 and I'll read it into the record um as shown the proposed zoning designation would result in a decrease of Da project traffic net
decrease of am peak hour traffic and net decrease in PM Peak Hour project traffic when compared to the chip trip generation potential of the existing uh zoning designation numbers uh these are
estimated and this is page two table one um this is for the um existing uh land use would be 34,39 with the change uh that's being requested it would decrease to
5,133 I know that traffic is very important concern to our community and again I thank Mr Balter and team for providing this information thank you Mr chair Mr chair if I could just add one thing to that uh the reason for the decrease is because the actual uh zoning
category is considered a down Zoning for the actual allowable uses that are in that zoning category so that's why it is a decrease just so you have some more background thank you so it's methodology as opposed to information that has been added
deleted subtracted minimalized in any way correct thank you for the clarification chairman Chris I didn't see a lot of difference in the zoning the
to to this medical they're both in most intense use 80,000 Square ft is there is there any major differences in it really per se so the major difference is that uh in General commercial allows for a more intense form of commercial and medical zoning it doesn't allow those
more intense commercial uses it actually is considered a down zoning that is lesser uses to more support the medical that's what I figured but I didn't I didn't read all that that into it but uh I I think this is a good choice because it's on the back back side of the
medical Zone it's almost to 11th drive that we just created which puts it in there and I mean it's I don't see any impact to hosy Schuman park or anything so I I I think it's a it's actually uh Pleasant to see a really
good zoning come through a good zoning change once in a while so Mr chairman I'll make a motion to approve well we we have to oh that's right we still we got to get out of the thing I'm sorry my my apologies an early warning but we still have more work to
be done I forgot okay is there any other questions at this time does the applicant have any questions of Staff of Staff good morning Rebecca grall mbv engineering on behalf of the applicant I
don't have questions for staff I just want to thank them for their assistance in bringing this to the agenda and providing the well-rounded um staff review of this project so I am asking your approval here today and I'm happy answer any questions you might
have at this time does any Commissioners or staff any questions of of the applicant seeing none looking for any input from the attending public if you were sworn in please come forward good morning good morning Tom
Sullivan 4187 West 16 square I was just looking here I was here before you before you you were here okay and before you so I have a little sense of history of this now the one point that I would like to ask about the traffic study and you said there was a downgrade when the
tech I I didn't understand the methodology and I I've talked to Ryan I want to find out the methodology of how the study is done an office building would have traffic going in and out during the eight operating hours or 10 a
plant a community that house has housing in it usually has traffic coming out from 7:30 to 9: usually has traffic going in from five to six that's the old theory of like do you realize more people you know this is one of those
statistical things more people drowned in water that's not over their head you would never guess that because you stand up but they put their hands in drains they slip in the shower I think the traffic methodology is used like this also and what I'm saying is just to give you a little highlight and I don't want
to bore you but when you're going east on 41st Street and you're coming across US1 there is no leftand turn on US1 there is only one L on us on on 41st Street on Old Dixie
Highway coming across now what happens okay if someone wants to make a left or someone wants they can't make that left until the westbound traffic breaks we don't have a turn signal light there so now what we have is a backup that in the
morning and I talked it was very interesting this morning I happened to run into the uh fellow who handles the sewer pumps and I was just talking to him I said boy a lot of stuff in the neighborhoods he goes yeah this is getting real crowded and he said you know one of the things I'm concerned about is the tracks and he said oh I've been stuck that way a few times I I
didn't even think it would happen yet so what I'm saying is I would like to know and I would like a more accurate accounting of how we do the methodology for traffic because we seem to keep adding this on now I think all of you
are aware if you go on to 11th okay uh Quail Valley just got approved with 272 parts walking spaces below that gho got approved for 72 Town Homes they're obviously going to carry okay so now
we're take now this is what I find funny that whole area which we talked about was when this went way back before you guys were on the board that whole area was going to have two apartment buildings in the back when PTY first came in and those two apartment buildings according to Dr Rosenberg who
was the president three presidents ago at the hospital okay he was he was so enthused because you know what those hos you know those apartments were going to be residences for the workers at the hospital recently that piece of property
was sold 12 acres was sold to ver to Varity of Indiana okay a one bedroom apartment there will cost $2,000 they go up to three-bedrooms I don't want to tell you what the three bedroom was but I can tell you this there ain't too many
Hospital workers unless have MD behind your name that are living in there now I know I'm going off the track here I would just like you all to think about slowing this down a little until everything is built out because you're not going to have a chance to do it
after that and I don't know what type of traffic relief you can put on 41st Street and that's all I'm saying I look at these traffic reports and I don't understand the methodology because if they're basing it on a long period of
time that's not the way that people come and go people come and go in very short intervals particularly when we taken the entire medical area and this is another interesting fact that I would like to just bring up that a lot of that land
was developed under administrative approval without even coming to you like Quail Valley did Quail Valley ever come up here no I mean so what happened was this fell into the Planning and Zoning people's hands and they made
administrative decisions over the use of medical land you never knew about that they made that decision and I'm saying I elected you guys to make those decisions I elected you guys to sit here and decide that not to all of a sudden say this is medical land and under a Fiat
that Planning and Zoning has they can decide that Quail Valley fits that criteria you know I just think it's wrong now and the other point I'd like to make is When Things become judicial in nature
that they're judicial in nature and I think the the first incident that occurred today I've been on a lot of boards in my life I was in I was in College administration we always referred things to the judicial okay I think the first conversation that
occurred today uh it was it was not about personalities it was about separation okay and it was a quasi it was a Judicial Affair but that's another issue that's another issue okay sorry I'm talking about the donation you know everybody can have different
opinions let on point on topic okay all right so so getting back to my point I don't think the road improvements can be made or can be made as quickly as the developments are we have I think Mr FL
you're aware of this the uh Costa point is not built out yet matter of fact there's only four people four homes there okay the apartments that are 287 are not occupied yet okay gho has
not built its 72 homes yet Quail Valley has not put its new facility which has 272 parking spaces which means there's going to be some people there okay and now we're looking to turn which I think is rather peculiar CL back to Med we
took all of the med and turned it to CL and now we're going to take this little portion and the only reason for that is because under the med one of the conditions is they can change and put in Okay
Apartments all right now everybody you know people think I was at the pnz meeting the other night I have to share this with you and I know I don't want to boore you but after the meeting was over I was talking to Susan pra about signage and Mr Day called me a groupy I said I'm
a groupy I'm a groupy because why I go to these meetings because I try to express my opinion on behalf of citizens because I express my own opinion you know and and and I just at this moment now I'm a little annoyed I first got involved in this nonsense because I
moved from the island I drove down and I went to make a a left turn over the bridge I saw a blinking arrow and it said the little sign this big said yield to oncoming traffic I went to Curry and I said that's stupid I said I'm a basketball coach I've traveled all over
the country you go into a single Lane with a blinking light and you're supposed to know to stop well after the first person was killed The Colonel on his bike okay who his friends called the mother ship I went and I called canado
at fdot oh talk to you well I'm just saying this is how I got involved in this I don't want to be looked at like I got no I got no dog in this fight I'm not making any money out of anything I come here to give my opinion like I go to the pnz and give my opinion and I know that Joe you respect
my opinion we talk I do respect it my we're a little off point right now I I know I'm I'm just telling you how I got inv inv be thank you I didn't want to be involved in this stuff okay all of a sudden I started coming to these meetings and I started seeing long plan
long range planning was dinner tonight Mr Sullivan can we have this conversation at another time okay but I like it on it's not on point I like it on the record thank you Mr chair welcome to the community i' just like to clarify that
the Quail Valley was not administratively approved it was approved by the Planning and Zoning commission just to clarify the record thank you for that there were several inaccuracies that were expeed and that's
why we need to have that discussion at another point and maintain this topic thank you Mr chair I have a question of Staff thank you um either we we we had the opportunity to have
questions of Staff uh Will based on a comment that was made it's an ongoing meeting well thank it's very simple question it's just what triggers a study for a traffic signal I mean how much development doesn't have to be within any given area and who
keeps track of that so it's a signal warrant analysis and I will let actually the engineering department answer that that we have the traffic engineer the County's traffic engineer in the back of the room so good morning Mr chair members of the
commission I'm Joseph defronzo currently the County engineer but I'm also reviewing and helping the traffic staff and as Mr Bolter said there are warrants that have to be met prior to the installation of a of a traffic signal
there's different warrants Based on data that we collect to analyze and not only our staff but Consultants do the same thing that may trigger the need for an unsignalized intersection to become a traffic signalized
intersection what would trigger it in this particular area well there's already you mean at us one or other locations this location that's been discussed you know 41st Street going east and all the development that's occurred so there Street there are
already traffic signals at US1 in IND River Boulevard the the yeah the intersections along that segment would be driveway intersections I think we were talking about the intersection with US1 and 41st Street yes that's in terms
in terms of a making a leftand turn so so is this a specific question regarding a uh flashing yellow arrow indication something to uh make uh the Turning of left there easier so so there are also
uh data that trigger whether you need an exclusive left turn indication or a protected permissive that's what a yellow flashing Arrow indicates when the intersection is the RightWay is given to
that direction of travel you can make a left turn if you yield to oncoming traffic that's a permissive movement but if the left turn volumes increase so high based on the oncoming traffic it would become a protected movement so
there's an amount of time where you have a green arrow and then after after that you can no longer turn left thank you so Mr defronzo so can you clarify so for this resoning the actual analysis for any
development on this property would happen if somebody submitted a site plan for the development of the property they would be required to do a traffic study is that correct correct and the the information that was provided was a statement indicating that based on the
existing zoning versus the proposed zoning there would be trips generated and they use the manual uh the trip generation manual to come up with with and as part of that uh when they do the traffic study could you just clarify in the record that they take into account
all the development that has that exists today the traffic volumes that exist today the development that's been approved in other words that they have they've they they invested they've got approved they they count that into what they call back traffic is that correct
correct and then they evaluate the proposed development the impact of the development on the roadway Network to segments and the signals yes and the early first step is for either the traffic consultant to to submit a methodology that's our methodology that
they propos to follow to do the actual traffic impact study and we have to approve that first so who approves that is it a traffic traffic staff is it a traffic engineer a PE uh that's preparing the methodology correct it correct okay thank you I just wanted to
clarify for the board the the process that because I think just I don't want this is a rezoning it's a down zoning as mentioned but my point is when the development is proposed at that time a more granular traffic study will be
completed to evaluate the potential impact to both the roadway Network and any signalization that would occur as was done in the case case it was mentioned earlier about Quail Valley recently there was a traffic study related to that approval that pnz took
into consideration just want to clarify that thank you any other questions thank you thank you appreciate the input next we'll have any final uh presentations or aument if any by County
staff you have any thank you by the applicant no at this point we'll want to ensure that all documents and tangible evidence have been admitted and to evidence and
are in the hands of the clerk Madam clerk the tra and that's the document from the result from the traffic yeah the kimley horn traffic study and cover letter was that not in the original package that was in the submission on
the application okay thank you as far as any County staff uh agenda materials they're automatically admitted into evidence uh unless there are any other objections
all evidence will be submitted to the clerk at this point I'll close the public hearing Commissioners Mo staff approve move staff recommendation
second we have a motion by commissioner Erman seconded by commissioner Moss any further discussion Mr chair yes sir if I could ask ask um Cindy how much experience do you have in this
resoning process when you say experience what do you mean thank you and Chris how many years yes sir I have over uh right now 13 years thank you sir thank you I've been doing this since
uh 1997 and we do appreciate it thank you no further all in favor I opposed motion carried unanimously thank
you uh we're been motion for uh a quick recess we're going to take a five minute break thank you e e e e e e
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meeting will now be called back to order the next item is 1182 which is the county initiative request to amend the 5-year Capital Improvements program for the period fiscal 2024 2025 2028 to 2029
good morning Commissioners good morning Chris Balter planning and development services director we have before you today the county initi request to amend the Capital Improvements element the cie more specifically the Capital Improvements program background so in 1990 in River
County adopted its Conference of plan on February 13th the Capital Improvements element the cie and more importantly the CIP must be updated annually state law allows amendments to the CIP through a simplified ordinance process this update ensures compliant with state
regulations the cie CIP adoption process is different from the standard amendments it requires only one public hearing no planning and zoning commission review and no state agency review the highlighted changes are updating ex existing Revenue information
and updated Revenue projections updated appendix a which is the Indian County 5-year schedule of Capital Improvements the CIP appendix a the 5year CIP for 2024 to 2025 to 2028 to 2029 the total 5year
expenditure increased by 5% from 489 mil 10,568 last year to 514 m647 844 proposed the projected revenues
will match the projected expenses the level of St the level of service standards will be maintained and as always the transportation is the largest category of the total expenditures before you you'll see the uh comparison from the last 5year CIP to
this year CIP the difference is which is about 25 uh million some major projects and the budgets the coastal engineer ing is 15.97% five million which is new fire St
new fire station and Fleet upgrades building and facility services which is our new Department 29.267562 3 3.48 million facility expansions and security upgrades are the notable ones Recreation open space is 46
uh 46.1 million which includes upgrades to parks and Aquatics excuse me Aquatic Center improvements sanitary sewer and poble water 122.5 million main water and sewer upgrades uh Solid Waste is landfill
expansions at 33.4 five million uh continued is storm water at 3.4 million which we are doing a master plan and water quality improvements and then the transportation is 1458 million which is includes Road widening sidewalks bike Lanes just to
name some of their major projects summary we have in increased forecasted Revenue our level and services standards are maintained our CI is consistent n CIP with the comprehensive plan the amendment aligns with the comprehensive
plan policies follows the capital Improvement El element policies uh 1.1 through 1.11 ensures all projects over 100,000 are included as per policy 1.19 and the recommendation is the board
of County Commissioners approved the updated update to the 5-year Capital Improvements program for the periods of FY 20242 2028 29 and supporting data and Analysis of the cap improvements element of the comprehensive plan by adopting the proposed ordinance
that being said I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have any questions of Staff everybody's got their own microphone questions to staff Mr chair one thing I'll add is
that in years past obviously depending on the economy this subject to change as well absolutely these are project projections and we're looking at through 2029
correct just think of what people were thinking in 2017 as we were unfortunately it with the co event that changed the course of
many opportunities and projects with that this is a public hearing we'll open public hearing y'all didn't come for this item having given equal and ample opportunity I'll close the public hearing
approve second we have a motion by Vice chairman law seconded by commission Adams any further discussion all in favor opposed motion carries unanimously thank
you thank you and the next item is quasi additional in nature and that would be the request by Glendale Baptist Church for special exception use and site plan
approval for a grade 6 through 10 private school this acqu a Judicial proceeding the parties in the proceeding are in River County and Glendale Baptist Church Incorporated also known as the
applicant uh before we get started it I need to ask uh each of the Commissioners uh to disclose any expart Communications site visits or independent investigations and I will begin with the left none that I know of nope none that
I'm aware of I'm aware thank you and I'll also ask you if you can confirm that you have an open mind and are able to base your decision on the evidence presented and
applicable law Canon will Canon will Canon will Canon will Canon will thank you at this time I'll open up the public hearing I'm going to ask the the clerk
to swear in anybody who anticipates speaking at this hearing uh you need to be sworn in if you anticipate to be speaking at any time during the the hearing Madam clerk do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth
and nothing but the truth thank you we'll begin with a presentation morning Mr chairman members of the board Patrick Murphy chief of longrange planning uh we're here today to discuss the Glendale Baptist Church private school special exception
use uh the property you'll see here in the red rectangle is located on the west side of 58th Avenue Southwest it is south of 1 Street Southwest and north of Fifth Street Southwest property is bordered by A1 agricultural zoning to the north south and west and across 58th
Avenue to the east is PD zoning and RS3 single family residential zoning and all the exhibits that you'll see before you the north uh orients to the top of your exhibit aerial map shows the existing school laid out on the land to the north North is undeveloped vacant land to the
South and West are large acreage single family home sites across 58th Avenue Southwest with it a four lane divided highway and a canal is the Citrus Springs Village plan development and the hammock Lakes plan development your site plan shows the
church in the blue polygon existing Church there's a cell tower compound in the far west of the site it's not owned by the church the elas it it's just there for posterity to show you on the map uh the existing ponds are in the green polygons the plan on this site there is
no additional buildings being added all the schools will be the school grades will be an interior buildout inside the church so there's no expansion of impervious areas the only impervious they'll have is there's nine existing gravel spaces that will be concreted and an existing dirt drive that will be
considered or created into moral for an exist um emergency access so the increase di Minimus and the ponds will not need to be increased whatsoever traffic circulation shows a full access existing driveway in the very Southeast corner of the site in the
northeast corner is the emergency access there is no need for a traffic impact study on the site it did not trip the minimum threshold for requiring one it was less than half of what that threshold would be the engineer did show
a vehicle stacking plan that would stack a minimum of 20 vehicles on site uh previous to the drop off point the landscape plan as part of the specific land use criteria the project is required to have a 20ft wide type-c buffer along all property lines in the
Far West there is existing vegetation it's very dense that goes above and beyond this requirement the remainder of the property lines do have existing trees along them and they will be planting additional trees and Shrubbery in the gaps to create that type SE buffer there's also numerous trees on
site that are all going to stay in place as there is no expansion of any buildings improvements and other conditions the project will construct an emergency access at the Northeast portion of the site with a stabilized path to the facility uh it should be noted that educational centers in the A1 zoning
District must adhere to the specific land use criteria in section 97144 of the County's Land Development regulations happy to report the proposed plans comply with all seven of the criteria listed in this code section for such items as site selection and
increased building step backs landscape buffers and adequate parking the Planning and Zoning commission unanimously recomend recommended approval of this request at their regular scheduled meeting on January 23rd 2025 planning staff recommends that the BCC Grant special
exception use approval for the Glendale Christian 6-10 private school with the conditions listed below those conditions are a formal review of The Life Safety plan shall be conducted by the in River County Building Division and must be approved prior to issuance of a change of occupancy permit to convert the
existing building into a school the maximum student enrollment shall not exceed 70 students and any future request to increase the student enrollment at additional grade levels or to construct new principal use buildings may require additional special exception approvals with that be happy to answer
any questions that board may have the applicants are also in attendance thank you there any questions to staff on the dice the applicant any questions of
staff for the record Rebecca gral mbv engineering I am sworn in and we represent the applicant I don't have questions for staff I just wanted to thank them for their analysis and bringing this project forward um through the approval process I do have members
of The church here today as well as the school who can speak to any questions you might have regarding operations but they're very excited about this as an expansion of their existing school facilities um by allowing them to move up into some of the upper grades that
they currently don't offer now uh with that um again I ask for your approval and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have thank you thank you so that would conclude your presentation at this point
point do anybody any questions of the applicant moving on I'd like to open it up to the general public and if any member of the public if you've been duly swor in and if you wish to speak on this matter please uh come to the podium and state your name
and address for the record I've been given an ample opportunity uh we'll then move on we have any final presentation by staff no
sir by the applicant none I will ensure that all the documents are tangible evidence if many have been admitted and into evidence and are in the hands of the clerk of the court Madame
clerk county staff agenda items will also uh be automatically admitted unless into evidence unless there is any objection seeing none I'll now close the public
hearing and everyone has their own individual microphone Mo approv we have a motion by Vice chairman lais second by commissioner Adams any further discussion all in favor I
opposed motion carried 0 thank you thank you board thank you for the presentation we'll now move on to public notice items
counselor Commissioners I just wanted to give you notice that the there's going to be a a public hearing and consideration of an ordinance at the next meeting on February would be March 11th and that is
of the um camping and sleeping on count property ordinance which is required by state law I'm just going to go ahead and read this ORD this ordinance title an ordinance of the board of County commissioners of Indian River County Florida creating section six of
chapter 306 titled prohibition of public camping or sleeping within County buildings or on its grounds streets sidewalks right of way and other public property providing for conflicts providing for severability providing for codification and providing an effective
date thank you counselor and now we'll be moving on to councilor's items and the first County attorney item is item 14a Alpha which is amendment number one to the service agreement for Southeast Florida
behavioral uh Health Network for administration of opioid settlement proceeds um Commissioners back in May of last year uh this board approved a service agreement with Southeast Florida Behavioral Health Network to
um basically administer opioid settlement funds this was required by the state because of the size of our County uh we were not allowed to get those funds distributed directly to us and um but but this board did determine
who the funds would be allocated to so you did enter into a service agreement with Southeast behavioral unfortunately all the details about how it would be administered uh and and the checks
actually distributed to Providers there just wasn't a full meeting of the minds on how that was going to work um and so so basically that's what this amendment to this service agreement does it allows Southeast behavioral to get a 5%
administrative fee um because they were basically given the monies by the state but not really the staff or resources to um distribute the money so at this point the monies are kind of sitting there not distributed so um staff supports this
amendment um I think it would it's it'll be the providers will be very happy because the monies will get distributed and I also know that Amanda busbin from Southeast behavioral is here in case the board has any questions about her I mean questions to to her sorry
thank you councelor and I will say that uh we we missed a step there uh Amanda came to the uh Public Safety Council and uh that's where this was all vetted out um this was a moving Target when it
first came came out whether what the amounts would be or how the distribution would take place I want to thank thank amander for all the the Tre the tremendous background work that had to be done and I don't believe that it was
ever discussed at the Public Safety Council uh as far as the the burden of appointment and distribution uh as the uh settlement was actually uh again a moving Target and uh we were behind the
eightball to get it distributed it came back to the after all that work had been done it came to this commission and we moved it forward um that uh I don't believe that Southeast believe that how much work
this was actually going to encumber uh their uh limited staff uh Amanda so uh yes if she's uh able to I'd like her to uh talk about it as well
just to ensure that everybody's aware of all the hard work as you invited and thank you yes I I appreciate appreciate Amanda very much for helping us get this before you good morning Commissioners Amanda bubman chief of network integrity at Southeast fla Behavior Health Network um
yes this was very trying it was very um with the change of County attorneys in the middle of it there was some confusion about who was going to administer the funds you guys would like us to manage the funds we had written the original agreement for you to manage
the fund so there was a lot of Confusion And I think uh Jennifer and I have hashed that out and um you know we're we're willing to do that for you as the experts in our area for Behavioral Health um we have been in contact with
all the appointees for the funding from the first year um the Public Safety Committee will meet for any ongoing um allocations that are done which will come through your um through this meeting to you for you to make decisions about how that funding will be
administered and then we will have staff that stays on top of the reporting and reviewing of those finances and making sure that it's done appropriately and reported to the state appropriately could you explain a little bit uh that it's not just about taking a
lodge check and cutting into pieces and getting it over to uh this location so it can be distributed to the uh appropriate uh recipients yes the am the opioid settlement funding is only
approved for certain uses related to substance use disorder and the Improvement of someone's life related to that so um all of that needs to be verified any funding that is used what we'll do with our agency is um they will
have to submit documentation to support either data or financial statements receipts however the funding is used I I think one of the approved uses for some of the funding at this time would be for housing so we would be looking to see what that cost was and and looking at
the uh reports come from Treasure Coast homeless Services Council to make sure that that housing is being used one for individuals that are of have a diagnosis of substance use disorder or coing disorder for all the Florida Statutes
and how it's to be distributed so that's part of what our agents will be doing down to every dollar our CFO is very particular about that DCF is very particular about how the funding is spent so we we'll make sure that it all is monitored and uh reported
appropriately it is a lot of work and we're going you're going to have to add to staff and uh location and ensure that it's done properly for uh the appropriate uh
decisions for transparency absolutely and impact Effectiveness yes we we'll assign a staff member that will monitor these contracts for you and however you would like it reported to the public safety it's a quarterly meeting so they will report there at the
council meeting every quarter on how the funding is being utilized and spent um the good thing about the opioid settlement funding is there's no cut off uh it rolls over from year to year so anything that's on use will just roll to the year the the very next year and we'll just keep pushing it forward until
it's used the way that the county has decided um today the tax watch report come out on the managing entities I encourage you all to read it um I can share it with Jennifer if she would like and to see a if you have questions about
what a managing entity does and how we administer funds for Behavioral Health Services so uh I started reading it briefly before I walked in here and it looked pretty good to me um but it just in case you're curious about all the
different types of funding that we um have oversight over and uh just as a reminder today's decision is going forward uh we're looking at this for the next 16 years or
17 years as far as uh what's happening with the funding but today is for today right and just to clarify um this kind of is a catchup the ter the term we pushed it out a little bit but the term really just go to the end of our fiscal
year there this year September 30th 2025 I think this is a good blueprint for how we want to go forward but there will be additional monies coming that will need to be allocated so we can bring back an amendment to that effect but the the the
uh decision and the distribution of the settlement will be a a long standing operation that's I just wanted to that's certainly what we intend yes ma'am many years it's was an 18 year agreement an
18year allocation allocation of funding yes well thank you of course any questions so with that Mr chairman the county attorney's office recommends the board approve Amendment one to the southeast behavioral service agreement
Commissioners Mr chair I'll add that just for the record this is a settlement from the opioid plague that that literally plagued all Americans and this is a settlement it is not taxpaying dollars with that I move
approval second that's a motion by Vice chairman law second it by myself any further discussion all in favor opposed motion carries
unanimously thank you next item uh under attorney's matters is the in River County boards and committees updated annual member reappointment for 2025 councilor uh Commissioners thank
you this is uh our office is bringing back to you an item that came to you in January about um consideration of reappointments to your various boards and committees and just to kind of um give you a little bit of background
um the committee monitor that we just resumed this role in the fall is supposed to go through a process and there's deadlines writt pursuant to an a resolution that you all adopted on how this is supposed to work um back in you
know dur in October every year they're supposed to contact UM members whose appointments are up to see if they want to be reappointed and then make a list bring those reappointments back to you if you choose not to reappoint it would create a vacancy that then gets
published and and so on so there is more of a process that we'll get back to this year but we're trying to play catchup and and um so what happened last time was we brought those reappointments to you and then there was a discuss and you
made reappointments to two of your committees um but then there was an interest on the board to kind of hold up and consider kind of open this up and encourage more new applications new applicants try to get new blood on these
boards and committees and so we we did do that we did a broad uh advertisement encouraging members of the public and interested persons to apply for these various boards and committees and you can see when you look at the the item we
we are showing you that there's new applicants for these very committees but just to clarify what we're asking for today we're asking you to go ahead and uh finish up the task that's laid out in that resolution of what your process is
which is to make a decision on whether you want to reappoint to these various boards the the the members that are asking to be reappointed and if you choose not to then we can bring back um or or when the vacancy is created we can
bring back those boards and committees in a a more methodical way um to you but I'm asking if for purposes of keeping this orderly that we stick with the task which is to make a decision on whether you want to reappoint um the members
that have asked to be reappointed um also I kind of part of my reasoning for keeping it to that is as you can see there's a lot of new applicants to some of these various committees but there is a vetting that may need to be do done on some of them some of them may need to have certain
qualifications or fit certain categories so um again if we could just go through these committees and make and you could make a decision on the reappointments I would appreciate that well Council I
um I understand the the challenge because we do have some vacancies as well and and a uh rather significant number of applicants and it is a long long-term process to vet them out to ensure that uh they're uh not capable
but qualified and uh there's no prohibitions in in their dossier to to serve in this uh voluntary capacity but when we're looking at uh
recertifying uh the other members there may be an applicant that would be best suited so that it just adds a little twist to it by not by approving who we have or not
approving who we have and again the Commissioners have another uh challenge too because at this point where they where they're free to do it at any time uh for any reason uh they have their own
uh appointees designes that they have made so this would also be an opportunity for them to do that as well uh as point of clarification ation that all uh regardless of whether someone is appointed Or
reappointed until otherwise replaced they still have the luxury and privilege to serve in the capacity until they replace is that correct that is correct under your code
um these even if you did not reappoint them they would serve until their successor is appointed and we anticipate having the second wave of the evaluation for the Committees at the very next meeting yes or the one to follow uh Dr
Moore I realized that there are a lot of applications and not all of them have been earmarked for any one specific committee so I I I know you have some work to do but uh so no pressure but uh my I just wanted to point that out
because although it's not likely uh if there are committee meetings that those members can still continue to serve if not appointed uh or reappointed yes thank you question yes question um okay
just so for clarification we are being asked today to focus on the appointees that are up for Renewal that's right and then we'll see what is open or not open based on that and then we'll come back
with I don't know how are you're going to format it a spreadsheet or something um a good Lord like a giant diagram flowchart but um about who qualifies for specific positions because like on
affordable housing we do have a vacancy but it's very specific as to who can fill that okay do we have um for the atlarge members on some of these committees they are not all bound
by the same term correct like I believe seesac at large is only for a certain set of time and then you have to roll off it can't be extended but like the EDC at large member is basically in
perpetuity until we or they make a decision that they no longer want to serve just for clarification exactly um some your seesack you've you've the board by ordinance has actually put in some term
limits um but that is not the case for across the board for at large members unless so so there you could do it but it's not the case currently I just raise that for may not today's meeting I do
not want to confuse the already confusing reorganization that we're doing here but we might want to think in the future like next year when this comes up about possibly aligning some of those atlarge members um so it's kind of
consistent it's a little confusing right now I don't have an issue with anybody but they do tend to exist in that specific position forever and ever and ever and and and I have gotten comments
from various Commissioners in with interest to kind of look at some of those um to create some more guidelines and you actually have a section in your code that deals with the boards that you could set some you know broad parameters on or put rules into place that would be
a good place to do that okay that's all I have thank you well with that counselor U you have any if I would I I want to kind of expand on what Commissioner Adam said a little bit before we get before we get started on
this but first of all I need to ask the County Attorney are we are designes like by District 3 designate on children's services Katie beish her term is up now do we need to approve those today or we
approve those at later and and so that's your appointee so you really just need to make a choice on whether you want her to continue or you want to because those have never come before the board normally we'll you'll I've seen informational items to that yes right
effect I have always been under the impression that District appoint District specific appointees serve at the pleasure of the commissioner commissioner for which they're serving that's what I thought I just wanted to be clear on that and that's correct and that's what you're so there's some on
here but I would just look to whoever's District appointee they are to say I want that person to stay and then we would move on to something else the next thing I I want to we got is is is for y'all to look at to keep in mind you it
doesn't say this anywhere and these are some of the discussions I had with the the county attorney that that we have three or four people serving on multiple boards we've got one that serves on three boards
um it's my opinion that you should only serve on one board and this was I'm going to assume commissioner flushy maybe you can help me with this this was probably done because maybe we didn't get a lot of interest for certain boards in the past so we kind of took whatever
body we could and put them on there but I think we have more people now we got a good response from from this um last when we just did that I would think in the and we could come back and
do this later but I want to just put it in the back of your mind that we ought to look at just people serving on one one board and one board only for that and then we look at something stuck with me when we talked
about this a month ago that Commissioner Adam said about at large members being pretty much there for life if they want to be and I don't think that should be the case either I think if it's an atlarge member I think in the future we need to look at we need to look at term
limits I mean I think that's only right that we do i' say eight years or whatever we decide to do not not for today but it's just just something that that I think that we need to take a hard look at so basically an at large member on whatever committee be is not there
for life because what I've noticed in this is that I think we just overlooked I mean when I was chairman in 23 we didn't we didn't do any of the Committees and we haven't done any since I've been a commissioner have really reviewed them we've only reviewed when there's an when there's an open spot a
BCC appointed or an at large member resigned such as I have in beach and Shores coming up have two spots in beach and Shores that I have applicant I had like six applications that I'll bring that back at the next meeting and give you my recommendation because I'm
liaison and I I took the time to interview these people and find out what they want to do so to let y'all know but it just seems like it does seem like at large members because I think we're at fault for that and and and maybe you
know past administrations were a fault of that of not looking at the atlarge members and saying wow that guy's been on there since 2002 you know I mean 20 20 plus years on a board so I just I just want to bring that up because I I think that's some
stuff that we need to look at it it it I'm going to look at it today as we go through as we as we go through some of this but um I just for next meeting I just want to kind of put that in the back of y'all's mind that those are some of the things we ought to that that we
ought to address where they go is whatever we decide at that point in time but I think I think I think those are those are important because serving on a on a thing you know is is a volunteer it's a public service but we want the right people the best applicants and uh
and have them have them do their do their due diligence and do their job accordingly um I think I had anything else I wanted to add on that let me make sure um yes multiple boards term limits
you know we have the deadline date specific which the counselor talked about send the resolution from from 2011 uh when it should be done she which she already discussed
um yes and because and also we have uh I've got her looking into one on the environmental control hearing board but I don't think meets the criteria of being on the environmental control hearing hearing board that's one I looked at when I went through this so
that's all I have I just wanted to say that I'm ready to proceed and we can talk about the stuff I talked about next meeting well again uh I Joe you hit it right on the head as far as in years
past uh now we have an abundance of applicants we did not have the abundance of applicants it was it was infilling it it it was uh specifically when somebody had an element of
expertise that uh could fit uh and we called upon them uh that's fine and as far as the the term limitation uh you know if you today if you do not want to reappoint somebody based on the fact
that they serve on multiple boards uh to today could be that day we don't have to wait until later on to determine it as far as it's my opinion if they serve on multiple boards they need to pick which board they want to be on and then resign from the other two or other
one or whatever have many of their on but here's the challenge they're not here today to speak on their behalf or place their request so if we don't give them the opportunity and today the day in which we're doing
reappointment we have to make a decision on their behalf I've got the names and we so if something is that concerning if you make a recommendation that we not reappoint and we have three votes that AG agreed to that then that person is
not reappointed but so simply it could be done today if it really concerns you um I just wanted to address those two points I a't no problem either way I just think they should give them the right to choose which one if we decide to go that way we'd have to put that in
our we'd have to vote on that first anyways not to need to amend your obviously we're going to have to vote on each committee and keep it rolling on each one so that each commission has the opportunity to uh discuss or approve or
disapprove any reappointment make any appropriate changes in their own profile but that would also have to be made public and go inside of uh section seven of our agenda at the next meeting if you
made that type of decision I also think it's not fair and appropriate to U take someone off a committee without talking with them or as the same way as we do when we add them onto a committee Mr chair
yes in sticking with the ask of the uh general counsel as well as um as fast of things have been moving since the attorney's office uh has been tasked with
this rather challenging chore of sorting and cleaning up uh past practices I believe that what the general council is asking today is appropriate and I would move approval
so so what I need you to do today and particularly is to um go through each of these committees um and and determine whether you want to reappoint the members that are up for Renewal and if you go through on
your um attachment here it'll tell you like for instance speech andure preservation advisory committee is the first one since you've already done ahck and agricultural advisory committee at the last meeting you've got two members up
for renewal for consideration if we could just go one by one we'll take notes okay so you're asking us to look at beaches and Shores current members up for renew renewal are William tuck Ferrell and Shelby graani and do we as a
BCC want those or want to renew those applicants yes want to reappoint them okay and we we'll do each one in that same manner great I thought thought we would just do them a blanket well uh and then she would come back
with specifics with the particular or chart and term limits well the challenge with that uh Mr Vice chairman is that some of them are actually our own appointments so we have to treat them all independently to ensure that
everybody has the opportunity to make their choice good try try to make it fast I'm sorry that was good it was a is that is a conversion yes Jo you said I didn't know that huh I will say Mr chair if I could add one extra thing which is
that we did give you a lot of historical information on these various boards so you should have some information that you've gotten to help you determine how many years people have served etc etc yes well with that uh we're looking for
the current members uh up for renewal at Beach and Shores uh which is William tuck Ferrell and who a BCC appointee and Sher and Shelby graani BCC appointe Mr chairman I can tell you
they're both outstanding members and I'm make a motion to continue their good work second all right so that's a motion uh by Joe Herman second by myself any further
discussion all in favor opposed motion carries thank you chairman can I ask you just a second one question when we talked about multiple boards it's probably too late because we haven't voted on it but back in the
agriculture advisory committee um Anna Kirkland she serves on three three different boards can we address that at the next meeting if we so choose counselor um already vot no if you're
appointing them now that's what that just up that was how I explained it she's up for renewal on which committee they see they were reappointed at at our last meeting for AG
yes well a advisory hasn't met in over two years but it's I know but it's just still the board but I I understand what you're saying and she serves on other committees so I think when we get to
those committees um I don't think she's up for reappointment I know she's on EDC for example perhaps not up for reappointment this year on that but I think that's something that if we want to move forward it we going to have to okay there's not an opportunity today to
address that particular that's what I that's what I figured I just looked at and went oh there it is a was done before the decision okay next is the uh Children's Services advisory committee and current members
up for Renewal are Amber El Serta member at large and hope Woodhouse which is the District Five appointee um on the District 5 appoin I'm not making any changes at this time okay and um on
Amber Serta she has been a very um engaged member of seesac so I think that there's value in keeping her there and I would be happy to make um that motion second we have a motion by commission Adam seconded by uh commissioner
Joel that was you okay so commissioner Airman and uh any further discussion all in favor I oppos motion carries unanimously Mr chairman I got another question K yes mirus wasn't on this list
and she's up for appointment who's that Katie mirus my District 3 appointe she is what she didn't make this list but she's actually a Christine am I right she was actually up for according
to your other sheets she's up she just didn't make this list Christin please uh if you would come up to the microphone if we're getting that in good morning Commissioners my name is Christina Moore I wanted to parel with
the county attorney's office my question commissioner are we which committee are we referencing right now Services C okay yes you're right um I apologize she's not on that list she's a district you don't have to
apologize so I'm not making any changes for that so just just to let the board know Katie mirers will continue to serve so she was she was up though she's up for Renewal okay so we have to include that in the renewal for children's
services is that a a motion John yeah he said he wasn't going to make a change so so that's his a change no that's his appointee so okay you're not making just letting us know he's reappointing her okay we're good counselor yes thank you thank
you Dr Moore next is the uh the citizen oversight committee there are no members currently up for Renewal next is Code Enforcement board and those members up for
Renewal uh Dana de Francesco and Terrence schit um I don't have as many have as much experience with the code enforcement board but what I do know is that there are specific um roles that have to be
filled and it's also very difficult to find people that actually want to serve on Code Enforcement so if they are willing to serve I'm happy to move renewal second Mr chairman if I can add that we that we
did just fill the the new applicant veter Mill he's a architect because there was a opening on that for an architect yes so we just filled him so and that was open for several years right just like the mechanical engineer
for the construction advisory and that's a continual problem a challenge with the building and with engineers and architect it's highly specialized and and that's your next uh board item is coming so the next
yes uh so uh we have a motion in a second any further discussion all in favor I oppos motion carries unanimously Community Development block grant uh citizens advisory
force uh no members are currently up for renewal the construction Board of adjustment and appeals current members up for the renewal are Robert Depetro uh as electrical contractor
Michael Lu for PL examiner and Peter Robinson contractor division one I I will tell you they have been difficult positions to fil and I'm very happy and pleased and proud that they're seeking reappointment I was going to say ter my
comments here are the same as code enforcement and I will be happy to move renewal second and again that's a motion by Commissioner Adam second by commissioner Moss any further discussion all in favor opposed motion carries
unanimously The Economic Development Council current members up for Renewal are Todd howder Lee D Hunter Joe idlet the third William J
Penny Peter Robinson Carl L Zimmerman Mr chair um we are currently going through an economic development um plan uh process
and while I have appreciated everybody's willingness to serve and participate on economic development I do think that this is a good opportunity to maybe look at our members at large on that committee um both I believe have served
since 2013 which is fantastic and I really do appreciate their work and I'm not saying that perhaps they shouldn't um be reappointed but I would like to have a conversation at the next meeting
um looking at the resumés that we have gotten in on that committee and maybe think about um what direction and what input we want as a direction on moving forward considering the economic development plan is in the
works so uh there are two member at large positions one is Todd howder and one is call Zimmerman correct uh you're suggesting to renew all others correct at this point
correct and hold those as part of the discussion for next meeting compared to the applicants that we have gotten in so we can make um a decision i' would also like to pull or have included in that
conversation um attendance records that's the other thing I wanted to discuss is is attendance on on some of these committees some of these larger committees if you don't have the right amount of people for a quorum you can't do the business of the committee and in
fact I will be bringing um an item back um in the next month or so regarding some affordable housing attendance issues so this is kind of in line with that well with uh with any any committee
uh three uh unexcused absences uh would would constitute action by the board if warranted so we do have that by ordinance and I'm not trying to be an ogre About It by any means I just think
um if we're going to re-evaluate the work of our committees and the structure then it's it's worth a conversation I'm not necessarily prepared to have it regarding Economic Development today um I think the other people serve a
specific role and I I'd rather not necessarily mess with that but the at large I just think based on some of the Commissioners interest in the economic development plan it might be it might in my opinion it warrants a larger discussion at the next meeting when we can kind of compare
things but other than that I would like to move renewal for all the other members except for the at large members okay let's see motion by commissioner Adams seconded by Vice chairman
law um May I I'm sorry again Mr uh Robinson and Mr zimer also on the M we just approved Mr Robinson on the construction Board of adjustment appeals and Mr Mr Zimmerman is on Code
Enforcement so that's I mean we don't have to do anything today but if that's something that we want to do about the multiple boards I'm I'm for one board and one board only that's that's just me that's
that that might be a discussion for another day I hear that what you're saying and and I I think we heard that a couple times but what I would prefer to do personally is give
them the opportunity if that's the direction that the commission wants to go the opportunity to choose where they would prefer to be um so that's that's why my motion is really just dealing with the members at
large because they're that's kind of an open slot that's not a specific representative in addition uh we have multiple applicants that are seeking and
I'm not talking about the applications that say I'll I'll take anything you'll let me serve on right uh because I always felt uncomfortable about that just want to get a foot in the door as opposed to I would truly want to
serve on this committee and I I feel I can I can help and make a difference and and that's what we strive for but we have several applications which have uh no E mark
Direction or desire or any particular committee and I believe we're going to find many more applicants that do choose to be in one specific Arena or another I think we did
uh promote getting applications and we got an abundance of applications but I don't think each one of them are identified and just to kind of add to that comment and conversation I know in some of our other organiz
ations you're asked to kind of rank where you'd like to be first second and third choice if you want to be on all of them you still have to kind of call out where you prefer to be and that might be something if people are applying to multiple committees that we think about in the
future um because I think what has happened is people we don't really make changes unless somebody resigns or we haven't in the past so there isn't an opportunity to serve and if you have one committee you really really want to serve
in unless somebody some Act of God happens you know you might not get the opportunity to serve on it for 10 to 15 years um so I would suggest that that might help when as we move forward and seek
applications in subsequent years instead of just having them blanket check all the boxes have them rank their top three choices or whatever the case may be and that's something we can bring back when we talk about multiple boards in the
future okay any further discussion so we have a motion in a second to uh approve the current members up for Renewal with the exception of the two members at large all in favor I
opposed motion carried unanimously next item is the uh environmental control hearing board uh the current members up for Renewal are Kevin Rollins attorney and recommended uh by in River
County Bar Association and Patrick Walther again engineer recommended by BCC Mr chair I would have the same comments as I did for a code enforcement and construction Board of adjustments
and appeals this is another very specific hearing board um I believe commissioner irman has already requested a review of some of the applicants who may not meet the requirements yes
there's well she not she actually sits on the board it's it's Miss Miss Kirkland it says um member at large so she serves at a member at large but it says citizen not holding elected office is the caveat yes I think when she was appointed she was not an elected
official and now she is um this is covered attorney just to look at it before we made a decision to see so that'll be something that would have to come back to us if so but at this point the two that are up I would be happy to move renewal of second we have a motion
by commission Adams and seconded by commission Airman any further discussion all in favor I opposed motion carried unanimously there are no new members up for renewal for the environmental land
acquisition panel Mr chair other than the replacement that we're already voted on this morning that's correct yes Planning and Zoning commission Mr chairman
U Mr Adams said it very well a minute ago about member at large I think Mr brocko has been on there quite a number of years best I can tell since before 2012
um I would I would like to see us uh look at the other applications and not reappoint him at this time second but you want to reappoint Calvin Reams District your
point and Mark is your appointee yes sir I'm planning to change okay Mr chair would direct it to commissioner man would he suggest that we look at the current list
of applicants to replace or at large me that I know I have I've seen them but I haven't made a decision yet if they but I had to see if that's if the board was willing to to do that I just think it's time for a change he's been there many
many years and and at large I think it just needs a a new member so when I my motion for economic development was to bring the atlarge members back along with the new applicant so we can vet
them together would that be I got no problem with that would that be your I got no problem with that so not NE so not renew it at this time but look at all the new applicants and Mr bragano together as
okay all right so we have a motion in a second any further discussion all in favor I I opposed I motion carries 3 to2 with myself and
and vice chairman law the senting next item is the Public Safety Council for criminal justice and mental health and substance abuse no new members are currently up for
Renewal the designated member positions of this Comm committee is established via Florida Statutes and are appointed in the same manner we do have several applicants up the road next item is the Tourist
Development Council current members up for Renewal will Collins owner operator of a motel hotel RV park or other tourist accommodation and Amanda SMY uh involved in the tourist industry
and is interested in in tourism development I'll tell you that uh both of them have uh served well and have uh had uh great input and their attendance uh
is within the tolerance level I'd be happy I'd be happy to second that we have a motion by Vice chairman law seconded by commissioner Adams any further discussion all in favor
opposed motion carries unanimously well thank you very much councilor I think we've accomplished this uh long and Winding Road it it was heroic stay tuned for next week when we bring it all back and collect more
data and redefine all the applicants and we'll actually have full robust committees thank you and thank you Dr Moore as well all right well now we're going to move
on County attorney matters um code enforcement member appoint uh appointe Mr chair we have a a applicant for the uh architect position on our code board which is great because I've heard it's been uh vacant for a long
time so we recommend that you uh approve Mr vile I'm how to say it appointment with the term of architect to the code enforcement board we have approval second we have a motion by commissioner
Adams second by myself any further discussion all in favor I opposed motion carries unanimously well after 14c we have commissioner uh
matters commissioner M yes uh thank you Mr chair uh for the community uh the board had decided uh some time ago to have joint workshops with each of the municipalities and we did so uh in late
uh 2023 we met with the city of Sebastian and the City of barl Beach and then in January of 2024 uh we met with um felir and there was a consensus at that time uh that we should go forward and
continue to do this um over time uh and by the way um Indian Riv Shores and Orchid the towns were invited to meet at that time but declined at that time the meetings uh were public meetings publicly noticed uh the public is
welcome to attend I got asked that question a few weeks ago uh just by a citizen and I said no everyone's welcome to attend the uh staffs work together to formulate uh the agenda for each of the meetings and they were moderated by Mr
Tom Lanahan of the uh Treasure Coast Regional planning Council so I think the consensus was that this is a good thing to go forward um at the time there was a memorandum um drawn up by the County Administrator that perhaps we should do this uh twice
annually in uh discussions at this time uh with the County Administrator and he can comment on his own but we uh we had a conversation the other day and talked about meet meeting or at least you know offering to meet I mean this of course is up to the other party but just
extending an offer to meet um annually is probably a more realistic schedule and as uh he pointed out to me during our discussion he said actually that timing was good because it's after the budget sessions for us and for the
municipalities so that to plan any meetings uh that might be desired uh we should look to uh the latter part of the calendar year or the earlier part of the next calendar year so this is just bringing to the to the board uh to see
if we want to uh direct now continue and at the time we said we did uh but to see if we want to continue uh to meet or to extend the offer to meet to the municipalities and uh direct the a County Administrator to extend that
offer thank you Mr chair everybody's got their own microphone any discussion on this Mr chair has there been a desire from any of you to miss municipalities that have reached out to
us uh for these meetings or is this a unilateral decision by one commissioner uh I I think the latter uh I you know I I can I guess I I can't
speak for you all or y'all y'all y'all I can't speak for you all but um I I speak to individual uh council
members and administrators of the other municipalities um I I know some of you do and some have uh te with the mayor and uh I I like the openline
communication and the exchange but I think that um again organized ing staff to have the the invitation and ask
and then develop conceptual plans for a discussion that might take place in a public forum and organizing uh individual committee uh I mean Council and commission
members uh to attend uh the reason why it was done last year was because it was met with great difficulty and the year before I I can speak I mean there was other things going on the year prior when it was done
uh actually the the date was no stranger to the uh the date in which it occurred it started earlier but we couldn't get dates where we were working together in addition each staff and I don't want to
call it sides it's entities both entities had to have their staff exchanged through the administration on topics to be discussed it's more or less a prescribed exchange for public
review uh it also is vote counting and I I believe that it it might not have the overwhelming benefit that uh could be uh achieved or
perceived received by the uh presentation of the Forum the same way as when we go down and have the for County many things were said at for County that did not come to
fruition many and we take countless sta hours to ensure that we're prepared for the discussion and then we have the discussion and then uh the media has something to write
about about what they heard was discussed and it doesn't come to fruition uh I I will say U do do I stand corrected I mean we talk and we go down we all have to go down to uh another
County to have that meeting I feel the same way about having the group meetings now I I I think there could be a leadership meeting I think there could be uh a meeting with the County
Administrator and all members of the municipalities and that would also act as an inclusive act because I do believe that the other municipalities who don't engage in that exchange would ex would
engage in that exchange and meet and a lot of the concerns can be discussed in a non-political environment because that's again that's where the rubber hits the road as opposed to our opinions exchanging I can recant many
conversations that happened uh uh up at the North County Library uh or when we did it down here with Vero and I don't I don't recall many of those elements being uh discussed other than
just being discussed so we got them we vented them I rather look at something where we're going to get work done and and after all the administration's working hard the Management's working hard and uh we're
confronted with a lot of challenges unfunded mandates a lot of decision with uh septic and Sewer uh amongst many and they're going to require collaboration cooperation we can't make those decisions at that meeting they they are
Workshop uh at best they're moderated but they're a workshop none of us can make a vote or or vote in in any pathway nor can the council so I believe that I'm looking at the benefit of having the municipal
meetings I I I don't see the the the great benefit of of having those meetings I believe that we can have great communication in so many other uh Manner and without having staff having
to evaluate and E evolve a presentation package that we need to express so that we can formulate an opinion so will only be bringing back to us in any event I believe the exchange is going to happen uh with the
administration and I would prefer to see uh an an organized meeting of all of the managers and the administrator on uh perhaps a semi basis or as needed or as an invitation and I I think we'd be happy
to host that uh if you want to have it on uh on on this site but uh or if if you wanted I I don't I don't know I I I just think that's a better approach well uh
thank you Mr chair if I may uh respond to commissioner Lor's question um I received uh inquiries from uh felir and uh ver Beach uh City Council Members attended a felme city council meeting a few weeks ago um and we do have mayor
mcpartland here from Sebastian I didn't hear from them but if he if he would uh or could or should he could give us an opinion I know we can't speak for the five but he can speak for himself I was just curious commissioner Moss because I
haven't had any council members reach reach out to me furthermore I'm not lost I'm not lost on the Optics of the meetings um but I will add uh Mr chair that I believe some of the meetings that we had um in short
order we had topics come up within months of those meetings that were not discussed at the Joint meetings that be quite Frank with you I think some of us were caught by surprise that why weren't those issues uh discussed at these at these joint
meetings and I think that's one of the The Perils that we run into thank you thank you Mr chair um I kind of agree with both sides as you know when I was chairman this is the one we we did the meetings and except for the one
felme I think commissioner Adams was already chairman for that I think they were worthwhile I I think they were good because it did open a lot kind of at least we're here working together but I would tell you that some of those
things that um we discussed are still being worked on today so it wasn't without Merit because some of those things that were working on today still have not been completed but we are we are still discussing them and working on them so I think it was good for good
from that standpoint um I think we set a very um High bar to say we were going to try to do it twice a year you know I think now we're to the point where I think Mr kenich has been very active with u with
the city of Riv Beach and and the Sebastian and staff also with their city managers um in reference to various things everything from the homest and Boardwalk to septic to sewer some of the things you things you mentioned I would really U I would
encourage that we do it but I don't think we have to do it formally I I think I'd still like to leave it up to the chair and to the County Administrator to to come back to this board and say hey I I think we need to have a meeting with the town of inding River Shores you know a joint meeting
for various reasons and apply those um but I do think we need to make sure that our County Administrator is is speaking with you minicipal on on a regular basis and in good communication with them so I see both sides but but what you say does
hold does hold some Merit um as as to what can be what can be done and what it takes for staff time to get ready I think it's important that we keep the line of communication o o open and I think we need to I think between what between the whoever the chair is say
yourself right now and you and Mr kage if youall see a need for one I think you bring it back to the board and and we we take it from there we say yeah we agree let's let's meet um but that I would just encourage that our staff stays very well in tune with
with what our municipalities are doing throughout the the county so that's kind of I don't know if I really gave you an answer but I'm kind of where I'm at I think I think that between the chair and and the County Administrator I think yall have the yall should bring that
back to us when you see a need and and that's uh thank you for saying something I wanted to say but did did not uh I I I did not want to leave it up to one person uh but I I do believe that was
what I intimated when uh chair Adams was working three separate components of as we were still going through some transition and I I believe there just wasn't enough time and we also were
working on still things there are still things that as you admitted that that are being worked on they would have been worked on either way okay and there was a lot of asks and a lot of Expressions made that we didn't even
touch yet staff worked countless hours on presentations formatting and uh again I also believe that um as again uh you know we want to speak freely but when we're having that
joint meeting it's not it's it's actually reserved back to hey is that our budget we don't and people are holding back so I believe that it it might be a good step forward there's a lot of other reservations that are
transpiring uh during a conversation the cities can reach out to us for a joint meeting haven't heard that you know I I haven't heard that at all they come um I I I have not heard that they want to perhaps maybe because I I speak with the
council members uh and just I feel free to call them and or they'll feel free to call me or you know we we we see each other rather
frequently um I specifically I'm looking right at a guy which you can't avoid in any River County okay and he's always ready for conversation except for today Mr
Mayor good to see you anyway so well as as I said I did receive the inquiries from Council Members um as to whether or not we would be doing this again so they have inquired um maybe they didn't ask you I
understand that um and perhaps it you know it was an informal inquiry that being said it still we gave the impression at the time that this would be ongoing so you know now I suppose it appears that the consensus is that it is
not ongoing at least not at this time if I if I understood what you said uh correctly I personally I think we should always uh extend the invitation at least annually extend the invitation to meet
and if you know we're all busy we will always be busy and the municipalities will always be busy and it depends on the um amount of importance one places on open communication personally I place a huge
importance on that and yes I agree it's timec consuming and you can still be working on it for months after a meeting occurs but uh that being said you know I uh personally I believe in in extending
that invitation but I I I don't I don't do not hear support for it at this time if I can just make a couple comments so last year we did not do the meetings um it was not because there was a lack of want for
open communication by any stretch of the imagination we had just finished them up right prior to actually as part of their transition of leadership that year um the issues that were raised at most
of those meetings were larger scale issues dealing with utilities which took a lot of time for staff to discuss on our side and on the municipality side so there was nothing really ripe to bring back um for a joint meeting on said
topic that and also we were focusing or I was focusing on some internal meetings with our um employees based on the the compensation study and the Strategic plan and and making sure that we were openly communicating internally as well
so it was not a lack of Desire so much as it was a lack of timing and by the time um the six months had kind of rolled around we were right back in budget season now to your point commissioner Moss I do agree we're always going to be busy everybody's
always going to be busy um we used to have years ago a mayor's Council it was all the Mayors and the County Commission chair and they would get together and
meet on a regular basis to talk about different issues affecting each different jurisdiction um areas that that they had concerns about or or issues that were coming up to share ideas share share ways to collaborate um
and then we would each or at least we were supposed to I don't can't speak for the other cities bring those issues back to our boards and discuss if there was something that needed to to come forward from that perspective I do think that um
the open lines of communication is important and and I haven't heard the other Commissioners say that that's not important for my perspective I was a bit frustrated with the formality of the
workshops it was very difficult to have a it was just hard to have a conversation because it was it was it was more us being there chaperoning staff talking than it was the Commissioners and the city council
members actually having an open dialogue about anything um what I had hoped for those was that there would have been more of an honest communication but looking back on it it's very difficult to have that
in a public forum and where I have had better success in really trying to understand the perspective of the cities is to have those one-on-one conversations with City Council Members um I'm not saying that there's not value
in having open public meetings where we can all kind of get together but I would like those to be if that's something we do in the future whether it's the chair that in conjunction with John or the
cities that come to us I would like to see those some kind of specific issue that we're supposed to be talking about and some hopeful outcome of said I mean I'm looking at the city of Vero Beach
City of sebas or city city of er Beach County Workshop agenda and the topics were utilities service territory plant capacity septic to sewer recreation parks boat ramp lifeguards regional growth impact on the
city roadways building department Fire Marshall but there was no dialogue it was like a lecture a to-do list for us and and there
wasn't there wasn't a back and forth of communication and and maybe that was not a good expectation of me for a first introductory meeting maybe I had set my expectations on the wrong level but I would have hoped that there would have
been kind of a two-way communication and the same could be said for the city of felsmere um the city of felsmere agenda I mean I don't think anybody from the county actually spoke at that meeting it
was all the city manager which is no longer the city manager so perhaps there would be a different um relationship but I can tell you I talked to the city manager for the city of felir um at least you know once or twice a week now there's only so many places
you can go for lunch in felme and I happen to be one of them so I apologize BR it's not because I don't want to talk to you I just happen to run into him all the time um but maybe I'm GNA have to start coming to Sebastian and then I can run into YouTube but that being said um and then the city is you know the city
of Sebastian's agenda was probably the the best one that we had and the the the thing that kind of has grown more conversations of Staff working together to try to talk about some septic to sewer opportunities and I
think that we'll see something coming forward sooner rather than later on that issue um but that's just and that's I think it's just a function of the large amount of people all elected all let's
be honest sometimes we're afraid to say what we feel publicly because it gets twisted Ed or misconstrued and sometimes it's just easier to have those conversations privately I'm not saying that none of us want to communicate and I commissioner Moss I do agree there's value I just think if we're going to do
it in the future whether it's asked of us or we ask of them I would ask my fellow Commissioners to think about what is the outcome that you want to see from these meetings if it's just to get together and have good relations that's totally fine and I can and I think we've
did that but if the outcome is to come up with issues that that we can collaborate on and maybe that was the outcome we identified issues we gave them to our respective staff then they're working on it but if it's us really understanding what the city's
perspective is on things I don't necessarily know if we got there like I would love to understand some of the city's perspective on growth you know the city of buau beach put on the agenda Regional growth impact on the
city well I would also like to have a conversation which we have not about regional growth impact on the county you know so it's a two-way street and I just not to belabor it but those are my thoughts on it I will be quiet now well
it has been reported that is uh enhanced communication and action being performed I I again you just displayed uh the that it's not truly an an active
communication collaboration cooperation uh I think we have that and I think it would be best served in that Arena or as you suggested uh a meeting with the the the chair and and all the
Mayors have a maze Forum uh and just be open open there's no violation of sunshine in that uh there's no uh approach and there's no limitation uh and I believe that the
leadership will speak freely uh and without the benefit of a moderator and a photographer and a videographer I don't you like you know it's it's a photo opportunity at at at
best and I mean that sincerely I don't believe that we accomplish all that we perceive could be accomplished by having those uh meetings again I'll I'll go back to the for
County one I I'm still I'm still trying to figure out what we've done in the past few years in in having that uh it was three County now 4 count uh and what is actually uh moved forward from having
that meeting other than people providing stuff for the media to be able to uh elaborate on I would I would agree with you on that uh Mr chair with regard to those meetings um you may recall though with the meetings that we had the
joint workshops with the municipalities they were pretty well attended so the the community was interested especially for an inaugural effort or at the very least something that hadn't been done in a very long time not that I'm aware of so the community has an interest also
and you know no one's spoken about that I think the community was interested because they didn't know what the show was about as PT bonam said you know you put up a tent with the flag on top and they'll come and I think that's what happened uh that was it it was a well
attended meeting but uh I did speak to the other the attendees afterwards and said well you know you guys got together I agree because it wasn't there was no flash and bang uh as as the end result it was something new
again the tent was put up the flag was lit they saw the elephant go in the room and they followed yeah yeah because you make a good point about the uh three and four County meetings I never see much of the public there you know if any it's just elected people and it's open mic
time I I I agree with you on that and then the media has an opportunity to be able to elaborate on the the personal views it's generally done at at right before election time uh you know reelection time I you know I I just
think it's you know I call it what it is I I you know if you want to see more um this is a good year for us nobody's running for reelection this year yeah yeah so that's a good point too um at
any rate just to to conclude um I would like the County Administrator to extend an invitation to the municipalities to just to see if there is an interest um do we need a vote on this we need just a consensus perhaps so nobody else
is interested in that should I take it that way that nobody's else is interested in having the County Administrator extend an invitation it's your item and we've heard other discussions so I would would say that we would have to uh vote on your item or
okay then I'll you want to hear a consensus you've heard the consensus yes no I have now you can go for a vote if you want I I'll I'll handle it that way and that'll be it'll be clear I I I move to have the County
Administrator contact the municipalities to determine if there is interest in a joint Workshop that's it we have a motion I do not hear a second
motion dies for lack of a second okay thank you Mr chair Mr chairman how would you feel about having a because we would have to we would basically if we met with all the cities we'd have to meet four times they only have to meet once what about having the having I like the
idea of what Mega meeting yeah no no about the about the Mayors and the chair chair board chairman have I I I most certainly uh uh think that that's most appropriate and if you allow me the opportunity do it every quarter twice a
year maybe or something I don't know I I would do that uh uh let's look at scheduling that reaching out to the uh municipalities and uh ask them if they
would uh would like to have a meeting I'd be happy to host the meeting and if it's all right I'll I could pay for the CFE Bagels but I don't know we used the library last time would you have a would there be a problem with that if I had
coff and bagels and Dunkin Donuts no sir I'll make a I'll make a motion that the that the you and the chair and the County Administrator just investigate the possibility and see if there's a need for the Mayors and the chairman to
meet hey I'll second that any further discussion all in favor opposed yeah I think it falls short um um you know it's great if you do it but I I just think it falls short so I'm going to say oppose for now thank you
motion carries four to one with commissioner Mo s thank you thank you all right well uh we see we have some public in in the room and this is your opportunity to
speak uh on any matter on any on any Accord uh you just come up to the podium and uh state your name and address for the record we'd be happy to hear from you thank you for your time good afternoon my name is George Gom
addiction specialist interventionist qualified from Virginia and uh the state of Florida there's a few things that I need your help with I have concerns one is Laurel
Morris mentioned uh and I don't know if it could be discussed so tell me my the boundary the people in KAC who are reporting people and not vetting them or reviewing if they have the qualifications to be appointed in some
facility I thought that was great on her part to bring that out that people were being appointed it seemed kind of like a favoritism thing that's just an observation and so I didn't know how the Commissioners felt about that right so
that's one thing second uh you know I have proposed and and I'll bring the letter because that is good I I I like my friends Derek moles Tom homman we're in the results business not the bureaucracy thing and I had talked
to this County Commissioner about uh registering over homes now regulating them if you don't know there has been sex trafficking human trafficking and use of drugs now if I know that law enforcement does that it's kind of a
problem I got the data names everything it doesn't appear to me that nothing wants to be done in any R County it's going to happen because my great friend Eric M has spoke here and we're going to try to do something with
it in River County find out the root cause of what's Happening Here maybe bring in dog investigate if people are profiting it I'm just throwing that out there because it's very disconcerting to me when the sanctity of human
life of a woman maybe being used for sex for drugs is not addressed or if there's ill qualified people in the field running a so there's a lot I know how many sober houses in Vero do any of you know how
many total sober houses are in Vero by any chance okay take that as a note 10 to 12 and there's another one coming that the hospital board is going to build at the taxpayers expense 3.8 million or by the
way they don't have a plan they built the property so is this what our how we protect our community because maybe we need Federal help with the help of DEA and FBI and that's okay
because I like my friend dad he's a great guy for a New Yorker like me sometimes we're a little outspoken but we're in the results business so I asked the county what do we do because you see what I learned being
in the field of addiction for 15 years every life is sacred and everybody deserves the opportunity to get well without sex tricks maybe exploitation with money or maybe being bought out by funders there's some people who like to
buy votes I can't be bought never have been and never will I mentioned to the sheriff and Curry if that ever happened to my grandchildren I won't need their services I'll handle the business myself
rest assured if that ever happened to any of my grandchildren or my only granddaughter duly noted it's nationally known I will handle it I won't need to call 911 but it's very saddening that other people feel they might not need to do
that so if we have a a you know all these resources we have these committees and I ask you for what I don't know anymore also the citizens of Indian River County were starting to gather together and wonder
the same thing and I don't want to wonder that because I believe all of you have either children or grandchildren if something happened with them you wouldn't like it and so I ask you what do we do with this thing that we had let me quote the date September 9th
2022 it was the third item and I don't know if anything's been done and so do we need federal assistance if you if we do let me know because I have d uh most personal number
he can reach out to his great friend Tom H that's all I ask the sanctity of human life thank you for letting me speak any questions thank you sir anyone else wishing to speak
regarding any topic hello hello my name is Lita jeni and I'm a resident of uh the county um I do want to thank you all the way you all function I've been on many boards and I like to see the way this
County Commissioners function amongst themselves even though they may not agree uh with everything that each one brings up um I appreciate it I've been with uh on
many boards and and uh County in in Indian River County as well as Viro Beach and we had compassion Viro uh at one time because um members of uh the board didn't were antagonistic to each
other so thank you very much I just want to say you'll put a nice tone for us to be able to deal with um what's going on from the public side to the Commissioners thank you um now regarding the application that was that
you'll had announced um for County residents to apply if you all couldn't understand uh each other and the system for us who wanted to make application it was even more
confusing uh because you'll have uh each I found out that each one of you all have about six or seven committees that you all are in charge of that makes about 35 committees and I wasn't so sure
which one to make application for and um I made multiple applications only because I saw other people making multiple applications when you look in when you get that information and I like it that one of the
Commissioners said to rank it uh what you wanted to work on but how could you rank it when there are multiple people and you don't know who's going to come on and who's going to come off so um some of us who have been in
this County for a long time and worked on various I even forgot to mention uh monthly meetings and Committees of um when you run a
nonprofit you get entangled in multiple nonprofit meetings monthly meetings you don't necessarily sit on boards but you attend them month after month after month like the homeless Services Council Etc but
um you all need to be telling us how do you reapply now for positions if you are making changes do we those who have made applications withdraw their resumés or
withdraw their uh which ones they made applications for and just choose again no we we don't atttend on doing anything arbitrarily uh or capriciously to decide
who goes where this is not done that was done in Roman times no I know I I followed what you no no in other words we pointed out that some applications are not earmarked for or they the
applicants did not make a request to be on a certain committee or some as to be on any committee that'll have them um there's a difference or multiple committees because multiple commit because you didn't know which one would
be full right you and if you in operations in in different uh positions you you can do you can serve in multiple ways you know so I'm just as saying in the
future um make it a little more clear for applicants you know once again we we've almost less than we've taken away the the Committees
that no longer had a purpose and that was done with the board so at one point we had such an abundance of committees now we have some and a couple of committees have enveloped over the years due to needs and concerns and trials and
tribulations and which we've been confronted with and we formulated a new committee uh in in doing so the the the cast of applicants and the cast of current appointees is uh rather
overwhelming uh so we want to sure that people who have a desire to serve for the greater good of the citizens of IND River County that they do so in appropriate fashion and also that they're appointed into into a committee
that they'll have an impact so again if you have applications that have no Direction we don't know what to do with them uh and then again there are others that
have specific Direction so that all has to be looked at before we go forward at the next meeting thank you thank you all right well there's no one left so I guess there's no further
public comment and this meeting is now adjourned for