e e e e e e e e e sometimes good morning Tuesday March 11th 2025
regular Board of County Commissioners meeting will now be called to order we'll begin with a moment of Silent reflection for the First Responders and members of the Armed Forces and we'll have an invocation by Pastor darol from the Friendship Missionary Baptist Church
and that'll be followed by commission Airman leading Us in the pledge of allegiance to this great nation please rise let us pray our Lord and our God the god of Abraham Isaac and
Jacob and through our belief in your darling son Jesus Christ we have the privilege of calling you our father we reverence you for your omnipotence your omnipresence your omniscience the etern the eternity of
your being and for the immutability of your Divine counsel we come to you today asking you for your Divine wisdom knowledge and understanding for this Board of Commissioners we're asking you for your guidance Lord because you will holding
this body of Commissioners responsible for being impartial honest and committed to be just in all of their ways in order to do so we know that any form of biasness must be left at the door while allowing the abundance of True
Justice to Reign therefore we are praying for wisdom for them to Advocate and to stand firm for that which is right Lord you've given us the privilege of asking you for wisdom necessary to perform uh the task at hand and you said
that you will give it liberally and a great it not Lord we praying that this body may be successful in the charge that has been given to them we do understand that this success is not measured in the eyes of men but
ultimately measured by Your Divine standards so we're asking you for your Divine empowerment to them to execute their charge as unto you Lord when you leave them Justice will rain throughout
this County when you leave them all may all may not agree with the decisions that are made but we know that it would be fair in your sight when you lead them peace will reside in their hearts because it pleases you when you lead
them they will feel your abiding presence in all that they say and do Lord when you lead them they will feel Heaven smiling upon them all the days of their lives Lord after it is all said and done it is our desire for them to
hear your voice say Well done my good and faithful servant you have been Faithful over a few things thus you will make them ruler over so much more Lord we know that you are able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we
may ask or think therefore we make these petitions in you and surrender ourselves Your Divine will for it is the Majestic and holy name that we ask it all amen and amen join
to the great greatest nation in the world United States flag the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liy and justice for
all well good morning all at this time are there any additions deletions to the agenda on the board Mr chair yes I would like to delete 14c which is relevant to Kolkata Drive
Dock license agreements and have that rescheduled for either the first meeting in April or the second meeting in April after each party all parties involved have an opportunity to more thoroughly review the
matter okay we have a a motion to delete 4 C 14 14 C yes sir and it's been seconded um we'll certainly be happy
to all in favor I opposed motion car carried unanimously so item 14 C regarding Kolkata Drive docks will be
rescheduled are there anything else I'd like to I'd like to move uh the presentation uh the recycling event uh that's scheduled at the end of the meeting uh as uh our employee can go
back to work and present have you all notified and then go on making this a better place those of you from uh Kolkata no longer need to be here today thank you
for your time I want to move that and I'll also add a uh a brief announcement to uh items not to be voted on uh regarding the Jackie Robinson celebration game I I'll if that's all the changes
I'll be happy to move the agenda as amended which item was it for R swid 164 16 B4 paper shutting event okay all right yes thank you and then commissioner flesher added an
announcement brief announcement is there anything else and we have a motion and a second we have a motion by commission Adams second by commissioner law any further discussion all in
favor oppose motion carries unanimously thank you all um we have no proclamations of presentations but we will be moving uh Sue's presentation on the recycling
event right up to the very Forefront good morning Commissioners good morning um Jill Brown we're here to announce our spring paper shredding event that we have every year spring and fall it's on April 12th from 7:00 a.m.
to 11: a.m. at Southeast secure shredding we partner with waste management and Southeast secure shredding to bring this free public event to everyone we get lots of calls about it so very excited to have that
and it's coming up very quick April 12th any questions how many pounds of paper do you typically see or shred or I don't know is there yeah the same as the end weight I guess we
diverted 6.5 tons at our last one 6.5 tons of paper shredded turned into toilet paper yes awesome that's fantastic those are great numbers please never bring a visual AG that's entirely too much paper but yes um it's always a good time I know a lot of people look
forward to it so thank you guys April 12th April 12 7: a.m. to 11: a.m. South E secure shredding okay is there a limit three boxes 35 PBS each three boxes 35 okay yeah I'm planning out which closets of paper I'm going to and they take it right out of the car for you so you
don't have to get out of your car it's just a drive-thru just a drivethru and pop it well you can't make it any easier Y super easy super fast yep thank you guys yep thank you thank you thank you so much look forward to it helps our
environment and reduces our landfill thank you all right well the next it item uh was uh approval of the minutes uh you all had the chance to see the
minutes Yep they're on you reviewed the minutes because they were not in the printed copy but we've adjusted that just want to ensure that everyone had the uh opportunity to review the minutes we have I get mine online so they're always there they're they're on online
makes it easy we we want to move approval for the regular meeting of December 3rd 2024 I move approval second we have a motion and a second any further discussion all in favor opposed motion
carries unanimously and the next item is the regular minutes for December 17th we have a motion and a second any further discussion all in
favor opposed motion carries unanimously uh we now uh move on to items that do not need uh any uh any discussion uh just public notice
that the uh the hospital District's Public official bonds uh have been posted with the clerk so they're all in order the event calendar is very robust and I urge everyone to go to the Internet or uh the
backup for uh this agenda as there are plenty of things to be doing in in River County I also I want to thank staff I also wanted to give us an an
early alert that uh the Jackie Robinson celebration game is coming back and it will be here at the Jackie Robinson Stadium on April 15
2025 6:42 is game time and the gates open at five and uh $10 advaned tickets and the tickets uh will be at unitedway in river.org we'll have a presentation on
the 25th but I want to give the early birds the opportunity to know that we are having a game in our Stadium thank you um is there anything else that anybody wants to discuss at this time we will move on to
public comment and agenda related matters uh except for any public hearings is there anybody that wishes to come forward to speak about any of the agenda related
items that will not be present later on having given yes sir would it be appropriate to uh speak about the Mirage Home Development right now which is on the agenda public hearing
sir you'll have an opportunity during the public hearing to speak is it appropriate now no it's not appropriate that's anything else have't given fair and equal
opportunity to be able to come forward we move on to the consent agenda like to pull item 9 D Delta and item nine and November thank you I was going to pull
n you were pulling in okay easy a lift is there anything else seeing none approve
amend we have a motion by commission irman seconded by myself to approve as amended any further discussion all in favor opposed motion carries
unanimously I did uh pull item D Delta authorization to increase blanket purchase orders um I'd like that to have uh an open discussion on the Nexus to raise
the value of uh indiscriminate uh expenses uh being distributed uh without uh approval from the County administrator or uh the board as well County
Administrator yes Mr chair uh these items uh they have typically be done I don't know if Christ here but they've typically been done you know by and brought back and what the staff is seeking is to these are items and you
can see where the like take the first item utilities pipeline construction directional drilling uh the current amount encumbered is 75,000 uh the requested amount to 95 and then the last year spent was 88750 so they're looking to in the
interest of efficiency and time be able to increase those as may be warranted in the event of a you know an issue where they need to do the they need to do the directional drilling and then you also have a similar one as it relates to
concrete patching uh in that case the amount encumbered of 75 $5,000 the amount requested was $158,000 that was approved by the budget and if you look at the prior year spending was $109,000 again looking to uh expedite
and create opportunities to achieve efficiencies if that concrete patching needs occur and they need to they go over the $75,000 but $158,000 was approved in the budget and then lastly you have sandidge golf pro shop inventory
as you will note there's three different vendors uh Acushnet golf which is FootJoy and Titus inventory caway and then Roger or Cleveland Golf or shrien inventory and in each of those cases uh it exceeds the
$75,000 amount that's encumbered but it was budgeted at you know respectively 100 120,000 and $100,000 so the the versus we're coming to the board now in advance because
we've come to them after and so we're coming in advance recognizing that this inventory at least to the golf shop and the other items are will be needed so we're just asking for that permission in advance we've we've already um move
forward the um the purchase at for the golf course uh in in a past consent agenda item and had a discussion on it my concern is that this reduces transparency
fluidity uh there's no benefit of raising the value and uh I believe that it also uh may run into some additional cost overruns that are not kept in check or approved and the general public will
have no idea and when we approve items uh that we understand that there may be amendments those amendments M ments could be brought forward uh swiftly and approved or not approved uh in front of
full view of this the public in which we serve also in addition Commissioners will have the opportunity to understand the workings I believe it it it reduces the amount
of of knowledge that is shared as to when events are taking place and changes are to be made and we're coming into budget season and it we do watch and I
believe it's not appropriate to raise the bar at this time so department heads can spend funds indiscriminately without uh prior discussion approval or uh any awareness being made by such actions so
Mr chair I I fully understand that but I what I say is these are budgeted at the beginning of the years the beginning of the year that you approve uh the transparency would be doing it now in Li of you know when it's needed and it
could delay the purchase uh and I think one of the things that the purchasing and staff have been working on is looking at bringing a forth a board agenda item for a policy adjustment because like take utilities some of those pipes will will exceed those
values real quickly with the the current costs so we're trying to create as if you look at specifically the pipe the the drilling as well as the concrete the ability to act efficiently in a responsive Manner and then when it comes to the Pro Shop inventory it has been on
the consent agenda every time or processed in the and then processed in the budget amendments subsequently if it if it increase the budget but in these cases these amounts were already budgeted at the beginning of the fiscal year course they were they
were also brought to us at the County Commission and discussed openly in front of or presented on the agenda for the general public to know how much money we're spending and in addition what
funds are being allocated and who's doing the purchasing so this is not amending the budget these are existing budgeted amounts that that were approved by the board but you want to raise the you want to raise the bar I I have a question I I don't know I don't
even know where the bar is at this point that we're raising or talking about but are you asking for this as a blanket or just for these attached items Jennifer good morning I'm Jennifer Hyde
uh purchasing manager for this we're just asking for these specific purchase orders um for the if you look at the Sand Ridge things of course we have to have certain brands of um merchandise available to the customers that come in so we're pretty much restricted to buy only from those
providers so we can't go out to bid for that so really what we're asking for is a waiver of the requirement for bids and so once we go over $775,000 on a purchase order that's not associated with a bid or a contract that exceeds the administrator's Authority and that's when we bring these requests to you um
in the case of the utilities work a lot of times that's that's emergency so we have a certain dollar amount on that purchase order but if we have a repair and we need to fix some concrete we need to have the wiggle room on that purchase order to have the funds available to have that contractor come out and make those repairs so this is kind of a
preemptive we expect we're going to have to allocate this much money on this particular vendor for this amount and we're just trying to bring it to you all ahead of time so it's pre-approved and we're not coming after the fact saying hey we had to have pets come out and fix this concrete and it's going to cost
this much okay so let me ask you a question about the process and the paperwork that were given um it says the total amount requested for fiscal year like let's use the pipeline construction company um the total amount requested
for fiscal year 2425 is 95,000 you guys have encumbered 75 is that because currently that is as high as you can encumber without coming to us yes that's it so the County Administrator has approved from 35 to 75
because that's his authority level okay but last year you spent 88750 so that's over the allowable and you had to come to us to ask for that to go higher yes and we did so are you were my in my in my opinion I
don't know unless I'm missing something this is to try to make the process more efficient correct which is what we have asked you to do I think um a couple of months ago six months ago maybe eight months ago and I know you're working on it the purchase process takes so long
that we lose pricing while we try to get meetings and get all it through there so I think the transparency comes in this discussion which I appreciate you bringing up because I think it's very important everybody und understand that and and be
on the same page um is this something John that could be includ included in that um monthly report that you give us on administrative approval so if there is something for for these particular four
we know when and how it's being spent up into that budgeted amount it's a quarterly report but yes we could include it on there yes okay so I don't know if that helps us keep track of it but I can understand ESP especially in the current um vendor economy that
trying to lock in prices while they're low um instead of waiting to get on a commission meeting and and or having to make the decision and hope that you know it it works out um can continue to raise
prices on some of our projects um I don't know as specifically about the golf industry but um even in food prices you know we are trying to stockpile certain things that the prices are expected to go up on and I wouldn't want to hamstr something like that and end up
costing us more money those are just my two cents on it yes sir thank you Mr chairman michelo Deputy County Administrator uh commissioner Adams you're exactly right in the case of San Ridge it's more think of it as a rolling inventory so we just look at last year's sales to project
what we're going to sell this year for that particular brand but we don't want to buy it all at once so we have a Rolling Stock and when we get low need the ability to order and then there's timing delivery and then of course display for sale so that's all uh time consumption that we try to time in
advance and this gives us the flexibility but we just budget you know 5 to 10% over last year and it seems to be fairly close each year but it does go over 75,000 in which case it triggers the formality of asking you for
permission I I I think we're mixing uh metaphors I I understand about emergent matters and you know fractured sidewalk and we have to that's been done in the past though um and my concern is we
raised the bar for the County Administrator and I don't want any appearances that we're just opening up the checkbook and just letting it be a free range system because we have to be accountable to our taxpayers we have to
be a good stewards of the taxpayer dollar you all have to be as well and I know you you do a great job in in in watching those dollars and ensuring that they're done but raising the limits uh
May uh reduce the fact that of awareness and information about these decisions I think you already you already have the ability to repair that sidewalk if necessary uh I mean that that's an emergent matter uh I just wanted to
brought to the attention that we're not indiscriminately opening up the checkbook and I I do feel a little more confident that it will be on the quarterly report of uh authorized uh seat I did not know that it would go to
the authorized uh list because this was beyond your authorization and I thought it was extending it the perception is that it's extending it to department heads and purchasing and that there's no controls
I think it's very important that we're accountable to the public in which we serve and they pay taxes and we sure know how to spend that money but I want to ensure that it's done properly fairly transparently and I want a well-informed
public and we need to be informed as well because we get the questions too you know I will assure you that staff is equally you know concerned about the accountability and the expenditure of dollars and monitoring those as well the
department heads all the way up even managers all the way up Mr chair I really appreciate you bringing this forward so we could have this discussion and make sure everybody understood um from the Commissioners to staff to the public exactly what this
means um so with that and John if you'll just include these items in the quarterly update I'd be happy to move approval second we have a motion by by commission Adams second by commission Moss any further discussion Mr chair I
would remind this body that in the month of Jan in the month of July annually we uh approve as commissioned to do uh the annual budget uh additionally in light of of uh recent months uh with
leadership training that we all participate in we've empowered our leaders to make these types of decisions all within the already approved budget uh this is a a facet of leadership and management and trusting and empowering
our leaders uh to expedite things when needed to be expedited thank you thank all in favor I I opposed motion carried unanimously next item is item nine and
November which is the acceptance of the three Beach accessible wheelchairs From surfing's Evolution and preservation Foundation better known as SE first and foremost uh I I want to
recognize the organization and thank them for their benevolent donation and uh it's very encouraging a lot of people have been asking for this type of device uh to be able to be made
available uh to those who are are in need of such a device that wouldn't be able to Lug one in from their home or you know have a trailer come in and which now the thought process is is we accept these three as a
donation will'll be picking choosing uh the most uh popular sites two points um I'd like to know how they're going to be stored how they're going to be
deployed and if so uh we have other guarded beaches as well and I'd like to ask the board to uh look into the budget to add that so that we have a full
complement at each of the locations but I wanted to recognize the donation and I'd like to hear of any plans of what we intend to do with them to secure them to to make them available
to the public and how we're going to provide the service good morning commissioner Beth pal parks recreation and conservation director and with me I have Jonathan Billings he is responsible for our ocean rescue and Beach operations team and i' just like to thank Jonathan for always looking out
for the residents guests and visitors of our County when they're visiting our County beaches uh he's truly remarkable uh in all ways uh from the safety to the operational aspects as is his team I'll let him give you a little bit more detail but I would just like to thank
you personally because he saw an opportunity uh through this grant program to obtain the three Beach wheelchairs that was not something that we had previously been aware of and we'd like to thank all of the motorists who use the Endless Summer license tags because that's what supports a program
that provides accessibility and other improvements uh for Beach accessibility and Jonathan will you give us a little detail on uh where the beach wheel chairs will would go and also I think there's some upcoming plans to apply for more hi Commissioners Jonathan Billings
um currently what we're going to do is I thought since we have the three our best way to go about it would split them up around the county um so one of them's going to go at Golden Sands which is our furthest North Beach our Center Beach is tracking station and then our furthest south beach is round Island so I was
going to put them there so we'd have one at each part of the county um round Island the beach wool chair since we have the new tower there has storage underneath we're going to put it under there so the guards can easily access it um tracking station we have a shed in the back we're going to keep it in the
shed and then the guards would walk back and get it when they need it currently Golden Sands we don't have anywhere but I'm have it in the budget hopefully this year to get a storage shed there and we'll store it in there um basically what I have set up is we'll create some type of signage so
will now that we have a beach wheelchair for patrons to use they could just go up to the guard and ask them the guard will go back in the back grab the chair and bring it out to them and they can use it throughout the day as much as they would like that's pretty much what we have so far any questions thank you you answered
the question uh that that I had d u I just wanted to thank you um for doing this I know this is something that we've been trying to implement across the board with making all of our Parks uh more handicap app accessible um and we've Incorporated some different pieces
of equipment in those and in in the new designs as we move forward and I know um beach access was something that was that was high on the list that we've been trying to implement for several years on a larger scale basis so it's really encouraging to see this happening and I
um appreciate you guys finding the Grant and I just think this is wonderful so I a lot of our residents have been asking for this and I think it'll go great ways to getting people out um and enjoying them ities that we have so thank you so much for making this yes it definitely will add to the public service we
provide so we're we're happy to have it thank you did this get tied in through the drown zero program somehow did y'all do we find out about it that way I remember that Justin lafaver talked about it when we talked about the drown zero and
approved it and I know that's been very successful yeah through our workings with Justin and drown zero we were able to find the sponsor and was able to get the beach wheelchairs so they've been very helpful working out great that's awesome and Beth I think we talked a
long time ago about the things that go out on the beach for people that maybe you don't maybe if you don't have a wheelchair or something like that but they had a wheelchair and it was the to take them out of the beach could is that something that that we need to look at or will
this solve that or I think this is certainly a step in the right direction when tracking station was damaged during the Hurricanes we had um that was the first time the county had ever put out a Moby mat we found that that really provides a lot of accessibility and helps patrons get down to the water's
edge there's some limitations with regard to the D permitting that you have to get but I think uh some of those longer Dune stretches like perhaps uh round Island could benefit from having the Moby mats in place they help children and um people who have some
mobility issues Traverse the that deep uh Sugar Sand that we have at our beaches that make them so popular and beautiful uh but they can sometimes uh be difficult to walk on or even just hot you know with little kids and things like that so we'll be looking uh at some of the other options that we have and
seeing what permitting would be required and then putting those in our budget as well this great thank you you're welcome you motion sir motion to approve second we have a motion by commissioner second
commissioner Adams any further discussion thank you once again all in favor opposed motion carries unanimously now moving on to uh public hearings uh that's item 11 A1 which is
first public hearing and that's the proposed developers agreement between Meritage Homes of Florida Incorporated and in River County this is legislative in nature good morning Commissioners good morning
counselor this morning I have for you the first of two required public hearings for proposed developers agreement between Indian River County and Meritage holes of Florida Inc um this is the first hearing the second hearing is due to be scheduled on March
25th to begin at 9:05 a.m. or soon thereafter um this is a proposed residential plan development it consists of 2011 single family lots to be located north of 25th Street Southwest on the west side of 43rd Avenue Southwest and
the project is proposed to be constructed in two phases which will contain phase one contains 153 units and phase two contains 48 units um as part of the development process we have we have brought to you this proposed developers agreement that is attached
here to to the staff um agenda I will note and I do apologize it appears that I had included two copies of the same right of way that will be dedicated we will actually be getting two separate pieces one one along 21st and one along
25th and so I apologize it looks in here like I included the one along 21st twice so I want to submit this to the record um to go ahead and make that substitution so that the record is accurate so so this development um if you're familiar with the South area of
the county it a buts basically and it goes straight up onto um where our our County borderers St Lucy County on 43rd Avenue Southwest there are several and numerous improvements that will be going in including dedication of RightWay as well as improvements to the roads in the
area um does the do the Commissioners have any questions for me on this topic anyone have question um I have a question actually two questions but the first one is regarding the uh traffic study yes which
is dated uh 2004 and use uses the standards of 2000 and 2003 for a project which in the traffic study uh is expected to be completed by 2007 um now we're being asked to use
that for uh development agreement that would be good for seven years so You' be using a 2004 traffic study for something that could be developed in 2032 um and it it includes it could be as late as that and you're still relying
on the numbers from 2004 and we all know the community has already expressed this as part of the urban service boundary study the traffic is one of the top three concerns the the community at Large so um you know in addition to that this
traffic study includes Oslo Road and this is back in 2004 but now we know that osel road is going to change tremendously um certainly by by uh 2032 and probably a lot sooner so that that's
that's one of my questions good morning Commissioners Chris Balter planning and development services director so I want to give you a little bit of background on the project itself this original project project started in 2004 so I'm going to read you from a staff report for Planning and Zoning so on October 19th
2024 the about border County Commissioners granted PD plan and special exception approval for a 288 unit residential single family project under the name of tips and Trail that's what the traffic study is under um on April 28 2005 the Planning and Zoning
commission granted preliminary PL PD plan approval for tipson tripson trail PD uh subsequently the preliminary PD plan and plat approval uh they started working on obtaining all the required County development permits um and then
unfortunately you know the recession of 2008 2009 had and the project went dormant so it did receive all its entitlements back then then uh Meritage Homes came in in 2021 and did a pre-application meeting at that time our
traffic engineer looked at the traffic study and analyzed it at 200 188 units for that time now additionally back in 2004 there was this whole South County initiative there was a lot of projects underway that took into account all of the trips some of those uh entitlements
have fallen out for those previous uh developments which were included to the original traffic study so that traffic study from 2003 2004 actually is above and beyond what is required of today the applicant chose to go with the previous
traffic study which includes uh above and beyond requirements which are considered into this new PD as a public benefit um in 2021 2022 Meritage Homes purchased the site uh and the developments that were entitled to the project and rename
the project Lakeside West they also dropped down the units from 288 units to 201 units uh with any traffic study obviously it gets reviewed Eric Ferguson reviewed the traffic methodology and the actual study in 20 uh
2021 and looked at it and actually said that it it suffices for today's time because of all the extenuating circumstances and the additional units that had not been put in and those entitlements fell off it was above and beyond what would have been required
today um that's kind of how we got here and why the traffic study is old however it is above and beyond which would be required additionally it's a reduction and units as well I I appreciate your pointing out that it was looked at in
2022 but even at that time uh alsoo Road was not you know and we were not in the situation that we're in today correct alsoo road and alsoo road is mentioned you know many times in that traffic study so uh you know I just I don't see how it
can be relevant also it it relates not only to the traffic but to the uh the monies involved and this is number three in the developers agreement is that it's considered to be $12,300
46,000 uh would be contributed that's considered to be a fair share contribution for intersection improvements at 43rd Avenue Southwest and State Road 60 so if you know if we're using not only could it be a problem in terms of traffic but I don't
know that this is an appropriate amount uh if we're you know basing it on the 2004 traffic study with all due respect um so my second my second question which I don't know has has to do with you but number 16 and the
developers agreement states the site is also located within a special flood Hazard area as designated by the flood insurance rate maps and you know interestingly today we have the uh
vulnerability study uh on the agenda and for the community that has to do with flooding uh in the main part and you you'll hear more about that later but you know how long are we going to continue to approve things that are in special flood special flood Hazard area
I mean that's uh maybe not a question for you but you know we'll we'll have that presentation later uh today but I just I just don't don't see where it makes sense that if we're going to be concerned with it um you know we can't
continue to behave in this manner I I can answer that and I appreciate your concern commissioner however with all new developments and and pretty much for the whole County we're in a flood zone so when we develop we actually develop and pull those out
of the flood zone so as development uh handle goes into the development phase what they do is they balance out the fill for the actual neighborhood and then they submit a submission to the uh flood plane uh excuse me it's considered
a lar clomar so it's the uh actually submitted to the federal and state to remove the site out of the flood plane after they do all the needed improvements they then pull that section out of the flood plane so then it would no longer be in a flood zone and it
would no longer require flood insurance that's one of the major things that is nice about uh neighborhoods developing is that we have them pulled out of the flood zone because of that that reason now when it comes to uh neighborhoods outside of the flood zone so impacting
other areas the historic disch charge is not allowed to be any more than what is currently at the site as well and I'll have our public works if there's more questions on it that's just a little brief overview but uh our Public Works director and County engineer I'm sure can explain it a lot more than I can
well it most of the complaints that I get and I can't speak for the my four colleagues but they're about traffic or flooding you know the majority especially flooding flooding is a huge issue all around the county I don't want to contribute to it in any way thank
you can I ask a question sure so the required perits that uh Stan bowling identified um or was identified to stand uh those are the improvements that are still going to occur today with the development correct that's correct and
uh have the prices been updated to reflect today's costs uh yes they have been looked at by our public works department obviously this neighborhood isn't on the hook for all of the requirements they're only required for their portion of the requirements so that's why it is proportionate so the
traffic study just points out what roadways or segments or improvements are required it doesn't identify the actual price tag to those improvements they've been recently validated on what the costs were correct and these trips I'm just curious do these trips have They
Carried forward in subsequent analyses and terms of as somebody's come in to ID to develop additional property were these vested trips or in the background traffic included yes okay C thank you you're
welcome Adams oh go ahead thanks thank you for asking that question John because I was gonna ask how the different traffic studies layer upon each other project over project but um sure that you just take it into
account is that why an older traffic study can still be valid yes so if I could explain a little bit deeper so any traffic study or any traffic analysis is a snapshot in time so we look at that snapshot to look at what's what are the conditions going on what is being
entitled and what's being vested at this time when this traffic study was being done all of the neighborhoods were vowing for vest so at that time it was even more of an impact on the road Network yes commissioner Moss I
understand you know the severity of the interchange opening in 2027 however those trips because it's not a snapshot in time yet we can't count those fully we do take into account it but we can't count those fully as in the old traffic study it it was above and beyond because
there were so many developments coming online all of the traffic for that South County initiative was taken into place and worked out heavily that's why a lot of the neighborhoods um unfortunately because of the recession pulled back there was a lot of traffic um
improvements that were required and we were very advantageous as a county to require it um it was something very uh bold and noted for the County Commission and also staff at that time what are there who sets the parameters for how a
traffic study is conducted and what information is gathered and what you do with that information so there's an it manual that our Engineers go off of um and then usually the way it happens is that there's an outside traffic
consultant that is hired by uh the developer and then they actually meet with our staff usually at the prea uh time frame to iron out all the methodology and that's when they actually get numbers of vested trips
what has fallen off what's stayed on um as because projects you know don't come into fruition and their vests finally do fall off um those numbers would come off how long is the vesting good for that's a tricky
question so it depends uh five to seven years but every time we have a natural disaster or anything or the wind blows uh the governor does extensions so with those extensions uh this project was from 2004 it got extensions all the way
up in 2020 2012 then it got further extended so it it's all a game of Shoots and Ladders unfortunately okay th those those uh extensions they toll they continue to build on each other Susan I
have a question for you now yes ma' thank you Chris um what is the benefit of having a developers agreement versus not having a developers agreement and or are we required to have a developers agreement in certain scenarios we are
required to have a developers agreement in certain scenarios our code also requires it for example if we're having an exchange of some sort of monies for benefits um and it's beneficial because what happens here is it's an agreement and as with any agreement both parties
have to be held you know liable to what they're agreeing to and in this case we're agreeing basically to to honor their their request to develop at this number at this amount and their vestures however they're also agreeing to put in whatever is being laid out here all of
the improvements the monetary compensation um all of that is what they're agreeing to at any point in time should the developer basically say we're not doing this so they don't comply with something with this within this agreement we can pull it and um a
developer I can tell you they're not going to be too happy about that they they want to make sure that their development is moving um to them time is is money I I hear it all the time every day that passes is another dollar lost um so they don't want that to happen
they want to keep up their end of the bargain and this is a way for us to make sure that they do that and it's not just mere empty promises made over a negotiating table um it becomes real when it's put down to writing and it's executed in a document so other so
obviously behind the um the statutory requirements that we have under the Florida statute um it provides both parties with some form of security so much the developers as it does the counties and I think we learned at a
prior public hearing that you guys actually review the development agreements on a is it annual semiannual basis to make sure that they continue to stay within compliance yes ma'am there is a statutory requirement that has the county to review them on an annual basis
to make sure that they are in compliance if they are not then we have several remedies we can move forward with thank you that's it for now yes commission I'm gonna simplify some of this just just
just for for me and maybe some of the others we're looking at allowing another development down to right next to one that we approved with Emerson Oaks recently the developments that are
already there in place at the corner of Oslo and and 43rd the one that's directly south of that Emerson Oaks and now this one plus what's across the street on Osler Road 43rd still the two-lane road down
there I have some serious concerns as to what if it can take care of that situation being there is a lot of traffic that goes south to St Lucy County comes North especially at a certain time today I know when the
interchange gets built hopefully some of those people will use the Oslo Road and go down The Interchange and use the interstate but is the does the traffic the traffic study was done in 2004 I understand you said it's it's more rigid than the one
we have now but I'm trying to think in today's time that that road has a very good possibility until we see what the ow interchange does in 27 and how many people use that of being
43rd of being basically way in my opinion way over capacity and I am certainly not a traffic engineer I'm just a guy that travels that road quite a bit and U I don't know if I'm just making a statement or asking a question because
I'm I'm I'm kind of so confused in regards to this but Chris is there any is there any Merit to what I'm to what I'm alluding to I mean I I don't know it just seems like that's a whole lot of pressure on a two-lane road in a short and a not a
fairly long distance so for your question commissioner I'm gonna have to defer to the County engineer because that's a little bit deeper than what I can explain okay well they're here maybe they can help me out I'm I'm trying to
on in my mind will you restate the question because I'm not exactly sure what is being asked because I want to understand as well I don't know if I mean I'm just saying with all that development with the with the one we just approved and if we approve this one we're talking a two-lane road with with
houses on both sides of the road in the Osa Corridor with the traffic that it gets from the greater part of the county going south in the morning or or door in the morning or in the afternoon the same
way is it well is is this going to work with with those developments down there I mean can we make this work on a two-lane road I mean again and commissioner Adams I apologize I may not know what I'm asking I'm just trying to just trying to put it
in my mind if Oslo opens in 27 I mean I think part of this is I understand the concern believe me I live in a town that has a two lane road in and out and it's I get it but if
this is the developers agreement they still have to come back for other like site plan and stuff like that I mean or they there's other steps in the process it's not as if they're going to build this first phase tomorrow and all those
all that be on the road and then Osa will be open in 27 I mean there's some moving Parts here but I understand the concern so I don't know the answer to the question I'm sure so could I just comment one thing so we're not approving a development I just want to I think
it's important to note that this project was approved back in 2007 was it chris4 six and with the tolling of every every time there's a natural emergency or some disaster and there there's provisions of tolling it's still valid
is that correct so it is still it's valid at 288 units so this development agreement which you're being asked to approve reduces it down to 2 one and codifies the improvements that the developer will
be making so this so I just want to be clear this development is approved at 288 units if anything this is reducing the number of actual units by 87 and codifying the improvements for that are required I understand all that but I'm
just trying to think that you put you know 200 homes there plus what we already what we approved with Emerson Oaks which is right the joining next to it on this side sou Plus what's there already I guess I'm just wanting to hear with the engineers is it capable with the oso interchange opening and all that
stuff do we do we feel that the that that the traffic on 43rd in that area of the county is is is the two-lane road can handle it good morning honorable Commissioners Ari Javed Public Works director to answer your question commissioner Airman
I'll use a simple analogy building on uh what John just said so if you're looking at the entire area back in 2004 you know if there were like thousand units being built right now that number has gone down so based on that information the number of trips in that area would be
less and the the the infrastructure system that we have out there would be able to handle the traffic that would basically be the result of this new development coming in okay as as long as I mean I was just thinking about it again I probably didn't make it clear because I'm no
traffic engineer you have some valid observations saying that with this developers agreement when this thing moves forward are we going to be have our backs against the wall and and have you know have the whole area down there backed up with traffic until maybe the
oso interchange gets open and Mr CH is that GNA help curtail some of the things like just kind of throwing it out there all absolutely dly noted and you have valid observations but just like I said right now the total number of units that will be built out there versus is you
know the study that was done back in4 identified you know is less so that's one of the reasons why staff and they looked that it feels that you know the requirements right now are above and beyond what would be required based on current situation and I forget we're
going to have a school down there some point in time supposedly too so it's it's just need to watch in the future so absolutely we will keep an eye on that sir commissioner law all I can ask ask Mr chair if I can try to round the bases
on this particular topic um one there was a mention of flooding and I just want to address that quickly uh and I'm not so sure that Audi is the expert in this but uh when a site plan is submitted and ultimately goes through the
channels uh in modern days uh that development is required to handle all of its uh runoff storm water so some people call them lakes or ponds they're actually uh storm water retention which in fact in the long run helps the
homeowners and the builders by as Chris mentioned getting out of the flood plane so uh I don't think we should have that large fear of flooding uh second um Chris when you're Traffic Engineers uh
that are subcontracted by the developer uh create a traffic methodology uh generally speaking their uh Prof they are professional organizations that are subbed via the Constructor isn't it true that a major
all of those are from accredited uh associations yes and and our own Traffic Engineers follow the same it manual that corre so in other words there is objectivity from the traffic uh
consultant to the county as well as the uh the contractor correct and finally Mr chair uh with respect to this traffic that we're hearing on 43rd uh myself travel that as well as apparently uh commissioner man uh and
when you do travel 43rd north and south at peak times you will notice a majority of that traffic is turning right and heading west on indrio road to get on 95 to go south uh more than likely uh I would submit that the Oslo interchange
will alleviate that southbound and Northbound traffic so um I know we have further comments uh Mr chair but I would motion to approve wait I know on on the public
hearing I appreciate that uh you know hearing these the comments and and having uh staff address it as we're talking about a developers agreement um I I I just want to recommend I I know
I have uh I'm going to recommend that you all ride one of these preapps and identify how complicated the the traffic study truly is and what is
brought forward during that time that this is not just thrown to us after it's been looked at tacid correct uh this is a very in-depth study I don't think that anybody's aware of uh how much time and
effort goes into the traffic study and the ability to adjust the traffic study and look at the flood plane and adjust it we have trained professionals and they're not going to
let anything compromise alre County they they're in this to make this a better place and that's what I have witnessed and I also want to encourage uh once again all of you to
take the time ride through a prea or uh look at uh the analyzation process as it's happening uh I know I was sat down uh many times with different individuals as
well and uh it has been very en enlightening informative and probably would not have had some of the thoughts that we heard today okay Mr chair can I just clarify the motion because I believe the motion
is to well there is no motion yet that's okay and just that it's to move it forward to the March 25th meeting the second hearing that's what we're asking that's correct okay but thank you councelor I appreciate it
yes well you're excited thank you is there any other questions of of staff at this time now that we've brought many members to the table we'll now open this public hearing please come forward sir state
your name and address for the record so we can hear you my name is Frank Moore I uh live at 4435 9th minor Southwest I can appreciate all the colleagues here that actually think that
the traffic would be minimized if you actually look at the total development that would mean 400 cars currently it takes me about five minutes to get out of my development which is at uh amber Lakes right across the street from our
friends at Publix who've actually done a wonderful job and I have to M for the 12 years that I've lived here has been a great experience my basic training is I'm an architect I come from New Jersey I've been a school architect for 45 years and
actually I'm still practicing at the age of 75 and we're actually developing conical wind turbines that are basically going to be placed around the world but I want to bring something that you might not think about currently with a 2011 application
that we have here the total consumption of water would be around 17 million gallons per year currently this county is actually under service in reference to the amount of sewage capacity that we have
currently they want to actually move the site which is at the 17th Avenue and bring it back to the airport from that point that's going to take several years currently we have a hold on funding which actually due to the fact that we have some issues in reference to some
logging of uh information to the federal government and from that point it would probably take two to three years to actually get us to the point where you'd have sewage capacity for the 17 million additional gallons the other issue that I have is reference to the
aquifer we currently would actually pump most of the aquifer down and from that point some study should be done I am not a Geotech engineer or an environmental engineer I'm an architect but this is some of the issues that I always look
at have to take a very Broad View image of what's going to occur here one of the issues that he brought about in reference to flooding currently the dredging to actually get to the level where you would actually not be in a flood plane would be about six feet that
has to be discussed from that point you have to think about what the aquifer is going to do and currently we are under service the amount of sewage and treatment of that sewage system so as you look at these applications not only
on this one but actually further projects this place is actually a gem if we actually over develop it their seon family when they sold this concept was only going to have one house for 5
Acres we now have four AC four buildings or four homes per acre this is a highly clustered development so when you look at this and look at our place in which we live do we want to make it to look like Disneyland
or do we want to go ahead and have a literally a wonderful environment to live in so I think here we are we're just the citizens here you're the council you have to look in a broad view and I think it'd be a disservice to
actually had this level of high cluster development the seon family and and Audrey actually talked about this and I spent a lot of time with her the whole concept was only have five one house for every five acres that level of impact would be
minimized from that point now we're actually having four houses each one of them is on a 10,000 foot lot they're practically side by side they're only 20 maybe less than 20 feet apart and then from that point then you have 400 cars
because every family has at least two vehicles so I think one of the questions that was brought up by uh Mr Erdman is does it actually change the traffic flow yes it does are we on a two-lane road the only way that two-lane road is going
to be expanded is by federal funding and that has to go all the way down and you know and I know Federal funding for development on road system probably takes between two and three years just to get some budget together and by the time they do it is actually under budget
or over budget for that matter so I think as we actually sit here and think about what you would like to do the question is the real question would be do we have enough sewage capacity do we have enough water not
only for this one but for everything that we do in the county and then from my point when you actually look at what Indigo Road would be and where we are on 43rd we're totally stacked up in the morning you know I wait almost like four to five minutes just to get out on the
street so the question is really where do you want to be and I I would propose that the council take a moment and think about what you want to do and I understand fully that the county wants to go ahead and secure funding for
sewage permits and sewage connections and additional ratings and additional income and I get all that but I think the biggest thing is what you want this thing to look like at the Finish because when when I talk to a client every time that I talk to him as an architect I
always ask the question what do you want to look like in five years 10 years and 15 years and the other question I always say the reason why you're hiring me is to protect you from yourself because that's what happens
here you got to remember you're the guys that protect us as we sit here thank you very much for your time thank you thank you good morning good morning um I would like to say that I also live please identify yourself with the record I'm
sorry please identify yourself for the record I'm sorry I'm quite getting to that uh my name is Nancy are actually Janie Coons I live in the fountains and have lived there for the last nine years uh there is one way in and one way out
and I disagree with my neighbor this morning I left my house at 8:00 the line all the way as far as you could see coming north on 43rd you couldn't make a left turn very
easily took me several minutes and that was only because a very nice person let me in I have sat there longer during rush hour uh there's also another thing to consider we have a probably going to
have a bies going in south of us their traffic is going to increase with traffic going down south and coming back to visit bickes uh another thing I have several questions here um the public notice that
went out indicates that their The Proposal is for a maximum of 380 units that's a little different from what they are talking about now so that needs to be clarified on the
public uh notice that went out for this meeting uh if I if we have a Max at 388 units I'm with him two cars per unit per house you're going to look at an increase of 760
units we were excited to hear that the interchange at Oso was going to finally go in and expected that yes that would bring down the uh number of vehicles going on
43rd uh however now we have more units coming in south of us and using 43rd my question to consider is what is the correct number and how is that going to really in impact the um traffic on
43rd uh let's see I've um just checking my notes real quick uh oh another concern I have and I think we need to look at is if you have this this traffic is not just going to go
from uh South up to uh Oslo and then either make a right or a left to move it's going to continue along 43rd Avenue all the way to 60 that again is a nightmare for driving
in rush hour traffic it's stop and go all the way down from Oslo 260 and then you have the buses that come in the morning at the same time which creates a nightmare you also have
the garbage trucks that have to pick up garbage along 43rd all of those are going to be impacted uh so I'd like for you to consider when you're looking at this project that you look more broadly and
consider the uh entire thing um I'm a little I'm a little concerned about the the traffic study being so old I know that they took into
consideration that the um it's more stringent and they than it was than it is now however I think it should be updated uh the way that two lane road is
there's accidents a lot I live we live on the corner of or Oslo and and uh 43rd and we've got Sirens all day long in that area of course we've got a fire station down Oslo we got a fire station
down 43rd and it's really consistent I'm home almost all day every day I hear it I'm concerned greatly concerned about the number of units that are going in and what it's going to do to that uh
43rd traffic it's pretty bad now now during the day after you get past that R rush hour yeah I can get out I can get there and just make a quick left but if I need to leave earlier or later I I'm concerned about having an
accident we came home the other day my husband had his blinker on and got ready to turn you know slow down to turn and somebody actually beeped their horn
because we were in his way we suddenly turned right in his view I really urge you not to cons not to approve or consider this without doing
something to 43rd Avenue thank you thank you appreciate your input i i al my name is Denise arment I live at 4425 Ninth Lane and to be redundant we
can't even get out of our our place now and I can't imagine putting anybody any houses that's going to and I know that not all the people they come down why they come down 43rd I have no idea but a traffic study from 2004 think about what
you were doing in 2004 you know most of the people weren't even in the area in 2004 so that definitely has to be updated and as the council people that traveled that road it's it's horrible because like she said you can't make a left-hand turn and if you wanted to make
a right-hand turn and go around the back way down 13th half that road isn't paved on 58th so you can't even go that that way so you're either stuck or you try to hope that somebody will come in and let you go in and as far as I never even thought
about this to just when they said emergency vehicles something never happens how are they going to even you know because it's just packed there's no way for them to there's no side ways for them to get out of the way on 43rd so if
somebody need an emergency at the wrong time what are we going to do so the traffic study should be updated because it's definitely a lot more traffic than it was in 2004 I understand about all the houses they approved but those houses never got built and we already
have the traffic problem thank you good morning good morning my name is Wesley Mills with Mill shorton Associates I'm the engineer record for the project and also representing the applicant Meritage Homes um one thing that I I just kind of want to put in perspective and give some um perspective
on on the sequencing of this project um so we went through this had a special exception approval in the mid 2000s the Great Recession came but we also just recently went through the preliminary plat process and got approval about a year ago with an updated technical
review and all of those things that go into the preliminary platting process there was a public hearing we received uh I want to say unanimous approval on the project itself um as as it relates to the the traffic improvements I think commissioner man you had referenced some
other projects that just recently came in for approval we're actually in front of them in the process so we received our approval probably six months ahead of them or maybe even a year ahead of them so as they do their traffic study they're building in the traffic from our
project and if there were any issues that would have come up in Emerson Lakes because that's the one project that wasn't included in the South County initiative plan so they would have had to get a brand new traffic study the other thing um that I just want to mention is this project will be probably
the first project since the recession to get built in that South County that group of projects that were included in the South County initiative plan and the reason for that is back in the Boom the developers all agreed to all of these off-site improvements and Contra um
contributions to the county for parks and intersection improvements and those kind of things and since that time the market hasn't warranted the project to be able to build the development and pay for all of
the things that were included um so the improvements that we're putting in Far exceed what would be required going through a standard process reviewing just on the capacity of the county system because this was a PD it has a
significant amount of contributions to Warrant the development good morning good morning maish van I live in The Fountains of ammer lakes I agree with the other people that live there as well should not do this project we can't even make a left turn out of
our community you're in Publix you're trying to again make a left turn out of Publix so the line of traffic is there so you're trying to sneak out of course you can't see the other cars coming this way so you get clobber it's horrible
think about this we don't need 600 more vehicles on that road it's a two lane road have you been there does anyone live there in this panel anyone live there thank you okay he's
right don't consider this project 2004 traffic study you've got to do another one an updated one I moved here in 2012 it was fine it isn't now it isn't fine
now it's crowded it's packed we don't need another three four 500 homes after phase one you're going to do phase two and phase three that's what happens around here I've noticed that well let's you know we've got more grass here let's
build something the grass is fine please thank you hello um David Hawkins I live in the same complex uh coming out I similarly had uh some delays getting here but my
thoughts aren't so much uh I came from California a couple years ago I'm actually from the East Coast but lived out there for a long time and I was always shocked at just how dense housing gets you know you can see in everybody's window right next door so what has uh
always been interesting is somehow even out there they find a way to put a sidewalk and have a road wide of for people to get in and out right now I drive a a car that has the ability to drive autonomously it pegs itself right down the middle of the lane when you
drive down a lane two-lane road and a semi is coming towards you and the car doesn't adjust because that's they're just not built for that yet uh you have to take control and almost go off the road that can be a little bit scary I think that if you're going to do uh
something around a traffic study autonomous vehicles should be considered simply because they are coming one way or the other something worth putting into into play and and the fact that that road has zero walkability once you
get past the uh current communities I assume and hope that that would be part of the plan that if there's going to be another Community you'll have some kind of sidewalk or at least a little bit of room uh there's no biking down that road there's no way you're going to get taken out uh same thing with walk so if the
community is going to be approved and go in I would hope that we would be thinking about expanding that road somehow and that's it thank you thank you anyone else there anyone else that wishes to add to this public
hearing seeing none we'll close the public hearing Mr chair as a reminder this is uh the first public hearing and there will be another one on March 25th second
I I did uh we have the benefit of having uh our our chief uh Public Works engineer here and uh We've we've heard some public comment uh regarding the traffic and the
inability to get out of uh the fountain uh subdivision do we have the record of assessment of getting in and out of that particular subdivision and was there warrant study
was there a warrant study done for light good morning Commissioners Ari Javid uh my understanding is that we did look at that information and it wasn't warranted but what we can do is that based on the feedback from the residents today we will go back and look at it one
more time just to make sure you know there's nothing else that we missed but in terms of the input the data collection and everything so far you know based on the information we have n our analysis the the study from 2004 exceeds
the requirements are as as previously stated by by the staff and I understand they do and uh that was reflected in what has transpired uh I just wanted to assure the public that uh that is a
consideration as well and uh you that you're going to look at it once again absolutely sir since this is the first of two public hearings and we'll have the opportunity to be able to disseminate that even though that's not changing the
uh the application and moving forward this is one of two public hearings so we might have an an opportunity to be assured yes sir we will Circle back with the additional information as as suggested
thank you counselor thank you commissioner and I I will note I did get a copy of the publication and it does say that the proposed n city is 2011 the maximum is 380 but if you look into the paragraph
two of the developers agreement it specifically notes that it was previously approved for 2011 units so it will be stuck to the 2011 units and not the 380 units I just wanted to put that on the record for any everyone's um
edification thank you and do we have that as well that'll be submitted to the I will for record of this yes sir I have a copy here thank you for bring forward Mr chairman councelor I ask a question
Susan that does that mean that the developer would be entitled to 300 80 under our code but is is agreeing to only develop the 2011 correct that's that's what's happening they're entitled to more but they're actually building
less correct and I think that was pointed out by the County Administrator earlier that they did have the approval uh to go forward with the larger amount and I believe Chris Chris as well u m Balter had mentioned that that uh that
was the original intention so I understand why there would be a difference in in thought and the reduction and it perfectly makes sense as to the presentation and the numbers
and the understanding of the traffic study when you've reduced those numbers so greatly thank you thank you um Mr chair then the recommendation for staff is just that if we could get a motion to
have to come back for the second hearing well we'll ask the board and see we get thank you I'll be happy to entertain a motion move and that's a motion by commissioner
law seconded by commission Erman any discussion all in favor opposed oppos n motion carries four to one with commissioner Moss dissenting thank you
Commissioners see you soon it's 10:30 we have another public hearing uh what's your pleasure would you like to uh we will be taking a brief recess before we get to the next public hearing e
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e e e e e e e this meeting will now be called back to order and we're up to item 1182 which is
the public camping ordinance it's legislative in nature it is a public hearing good morning good morning counselor good morning um we are here for as commissioner just stated a public camp ordinance to be in compliance with Florida statute as everyone here I
believe is aware the Florida legislature created a bill last year that is 125.2 31 that requires counties to have a Prohibition on public Camping sleeping in the street sleeping on public property and camping on property not designated for camping and so in order
to and to our detriment if we don't have this ordinance we don't go through the motions and have this we can be sued by either public private citizens or by the attorney general and based upon speaking with experts speaking with other people
in the community across the state every Community is going through and having some form of this ordinance we are able to create even more depth to it but the easiest way to conform with the statute and try to make sure we protect all communities including what we currently have here and I think why no system is
perfect the current system we have is doing its best job that we can with the current resources to keep our streets safe but also make sure that we're worried and we're concerned and caring for the people who are on there and aren't able to go to a home every night and so this ordinance was drafted in a
way to try the best way we can to allow that we're not looking to criminalize anything we're not looking to do that however to stay with this and to not be sued and be on the hook for attorney's fees and all kinds of fees associated with those civil actions we created this
ordinance and we are asking the commission to consider it this morning and opened up for public hearing take comments and then direct to the staff on whether to amend the ordinance as it's written or have the commission sign it as it is yes sir we're asking the court not the court we're asking the commission to
open up the public hearing questions any question so that's what I was waiting for I see I knew it would be a question there's always a question um this is the uh last whereas or recital I guess I could call it before
the down nir for and it says um to ensure it is clear that public camping or sleeping on any County facility grounds or right of way is prohibited unless designated as a public camping for recreational use my question
is um should we have um and I hope that we don't but should we have some kind of huge natural disaster as they experienced in the state of California with the fires or in North Carolina uh with an unexpected hurricane and people are well actually we had tornadoes and
that certainly was unexpected too um and people are uh suddenly homeless um do we need to take that into consideration like with those people um how how are we handling that well uh I I could actually answer that
the man that's uh at the end of the line here um has the power and authority to uh initiate an executive order in emergent matters and uh that's when all the rules can be adjusted accordingly to
meet the needs of the emergency matter it has happened each and every H hurricane every storm event uh when we enact uh the public uh wants to know uh why an emergency matter we didn't we
didn't get affected that much or why aren't we uh when there are basic needs uh it's an assessment that's done to ensure that we have the proper funding and the ability uh to authorize the County Administrator to be able to move
many items that are prohibited or eliminated from his purveyance uh to address the needs of the emergent matter and that is why the governor uh declares a a state of emergency to loosen funds
and to make rules as they need be made and accommodations to be uh made as well and the County Administrator has that same Authority otherwise we would have to meet as a board and move that forward
so it's the executive emergent matter Authority thank you for your opinion now I'd like to have your opinion well um I will say that under the newly passed state law um it is clear that the ability to sue the
county does not apply during a governor declared state of emergency or a state of emergency declared by the county so that is it's right there and that is written into the leg the
legislation okay in addition uh you brought that up there is a certain prohibitions about lodging in uh a governmental building uh unless there are accommodations and uh just as an aside
uh you realize the complications if it's not an emergent matter and somebody reads receives a posel of male and they are residing at the county building that we may be compelled to to go through a lawful eviction process over somebody
who chose to live at the building or outside the curtilage which is considered the building itself and we would further have complications This truly cleans it up and I appreciate everything that you've done to get this together as with most jurisdictions are
doing as you already identified yes sir thank you anything further we'll Now open up the public hearing two microphones identify yourself for the
record good morning uh my name is Ariana Lano um I work for agency called right Life Services um so um I wanted to come here today um because the specific program that I work for um we serve
individuals who are living outside and have severe and persistent mental health um so this ordinance um I have a lot of concerns with um because it directly affects the individuals that we serve um and in my opinion I don't necessarily
think that criminalizing homelessness will help solve the problem as far as like affordable housing and it kind of it perpetuates homelessness and poverty right so um we have a team for
um our Outreach Services to go engage individuals who are living outside so we can provide those Supportive Services um and I think that law enforcement going out and um you know putting out fines or trespassing or arresting these individuals doesn't really help the
issue of homelessness and the point of our program is to um address the underlining um problem of home l so whether that be like mental health concerns um you know affordable housing income you know whatever that may be um
and with this ordinance in place um it would make it hard for us to go engage individuals who are living outside um because they move and we can't provide them Services if we know they stay in a certain area it's very hard for us to be able to support them in that way right
um and so as an agency we're also in um Indian River County jail to provide those services to try to um come up with the plan so when they do come out we can figure out what it looks like for them to um you know get some sort of sustainability whatever that looks like
for them right so um I think this ordinance um would create more trouble than help um because it adds to their criminal record and in all honesty they don't really have anywhere else to go I mean you know whatever the circumstances
may be so um I think this ordinance would wouldn't really help as far as you know getting them the services that they need and it would make it harder on us to provide those services for them um and the amount of money that it takes for these people to go into the jails
and you know for being trespassed or whatever the case may be I think should be used for more of like affordable housing and you know providing more of those Supportive Services um you know so we can help further support them um in that matter
so thank you thank you your uh your program is well admired well needed and I don't believe that this derails any of the process the great process that you're doing in helping others lift their lives thank you thank
you can I sh hi I'm Marty marado I'm the executive director at Hope for Family Center um so for me I just wanted to bring about the the V the topic um of the children that
are suffering from housing instability um last year during our current fiscal year we served 141 children that were in the school system and trying to be adapt to what is going on around them why their parent is already in
crisis um during that time while while they're searching for Solutions as a family they sometimes have to publicly Camp there is no other option for them um we just had a family leave our shelter last week who publicly C camped
for three or four months going from location to location and when we got them they were able to stay with us and we were able to keep them for six months and they just moved out into a trailer but if her parent if this the children's parents had gotten um arrested it would
have added already to their crisis that they're already having so I ask that we continue to work together as a community to tackle what is going on with the homeless in our area I ask that we work together with a coordinated entry system
which myself and Matt Tanner are chairing for the area to try to have more um accessible options for meeting Services uh for having housings instability excuse me and I ask that we
continue to look at homelessness with an overview of collaboration thank you good morning Mayan United Way of Indian River County uh so we recognize that this is uh required by state it's
not something that you can just excise completely but we wanted to talk about some of the implications um you know First Responders the three of you we know that this ordinance um forces law enforcement to Law Enforcement Officers to now act as deao social workers
diverting them from addressing the real public safety concerns um United Way just hosted uh powered by purpose featuring Sheriff Eric flowers um we talked about mental health diversion courts uh Mr tanic was there and you know we're we're seeing the lowest
numbers in the jails right now this is not something Law Enforcement wants to take on um we want to lean on and Leverage The Social Service organ organizations that are available and the ordinance as it states right now there's really not a connection to those services so if we could consider maybe
amending it to reflect some sort of referral to the coordinated entry that Marty referenced um that would be really helpful um it costs more to jail someone for a day than to provide them with shelter and services um the incarceration obviously talk cost
taxpayers dollars um we know that there are other cities and counties that are addressing this um ordinance in more innovative ways and considering alternative approaches such as investing in emergency s shelters increasing available Housing Solutions and
expanding Outreach Services so we're urging you to consider some of those alternative Roots thank you good morning Remy Knuckles CEO Treasure Coast homeless service Council sorry I broke my glasses this morning I'm trying to use an older pair and you guys are
really blurry so forgive me for that um hopefully I can get through this I want to uh thank each of you for allowing the public hearing today and I acknowledge the colleagues that are in the room there were a couple of board members who were here and had to leave um we want to
acknowledge that the County's efforts in addressing uh these concerns around public spaces we understand this is a formal process and that you're required to respond to this house built 1365 in such a way however as we consider the ordinance
I urge the board to approach um to take an approach that ensures individuals are not just displaced but meaningfully connected to Services I would like to respectfully recommend an amendment that would require law enforcement prior to to
removing individuals from P from public property to immediately contact the homeless Continuum of Care our coordinated entry system ensures that individuals experiencing homelessness have access to
support um by multiple organizations in this in the COC uh there are Outreach teams that are available during the day and we have digital systems that would allow law enforcement to make referrals outside of business
hours we'd be more than happy to collaborate with County leadership and law enforcement to develop a seamless process for this I appreciate your time and your consideration and urge to ensure that this ordinance if placed
Works in tandem with proven strategies to reduce homelessness in our community thank you thank you R yeah my name is Christian hammerel um actually didn't even know this was on the agenda U I'm on the board of the homeless children foundation and I just
want to Echo uh the the voices and the recommendations of all the other organizations I think all of us work together to address the issue of homelessness so anything you guys can do would be very beneficial and I will Echo one thing the minute you get law enforce
involved as opposed to trying to take advantage of some of the resources of these organization it just makes it so much harder for the families and the kids to get out of that it just digs a deeper hole thank you hi I'm Lita jeni and I live in Indian River County um I support all
these uh people that have come here to speak on behalf of homelessness um I would uh urge you all to see if we could um get together they could get together and find a solution compassionate uh
solution that wouldn't put uh these men that have been um men and women that have come out of the jail system or people that due to uh the economic uh conditions that they find themselves in
if they could be housed just for a little while um in the consortiums that we already have existing if you all could please postpone this or tone it down so it we don't penalize them even further so that
these people will never get a way to be established people in the community and it affects their children they even people that come out of jail have families and while they're in jail they lose their car they lose
their home they lose everything and where are they to go we've got to find a system a Humane system to support them and if there's anything I can do I would love to be able to do it thank you thank
you for that uh you know there there are many many programs that exist that are allowing people to rise upward from their situation condition uh and you're aware of them too I know that Lita U and
thank you for your support of those programs no I hear law enforcement being brought up um and yes a few of us were involved in in that capacity for many years one
of the things that missed the most is lifting lives and crossing the pads of those who are living in the woods that you may or may not be aware Ware of um and there are there are
encampments and people are trespassing on other people's property and they set up a dwelling and I I I want to say that you know we're concerned about law enforcement getting involved uh I don't
want to paint a paint a picture of the criminalization of such a a ghastly act uh there were times where I walked in talked walked into their home in the woods and talked with them you know many
of those people are relocated back to their families many of those people through other things and mechanisms that we able to accomplish through non-customary forms of law enforcement it's called encouragement
it's called being a a good law enforcement officer and addressing a problem a challenge and getting a solution and a lot of that is done so I don't want I I'm hearing that it's you know we're going to start dragging
people off to jail and emptying out their cars and taking all their possessions and there'll be we in cuffs no it's just a Prohibition of public camping public environment living living
would you like to see people lined up on the streets and in the side walks as you do in some jurisdictions that have allowed such a process that's what it's about nobody's saying that any of the programs should be eliminated nobody's
saying that any of the driving force to lift people's lives up well we're not far away from an organization that does it every day and many of us do that too uh and I I I just want you to know that that this is not an honorous act of
eliminating anybody just this is not a nimi this is the allowances so that we can conduct ourselves as a well-regulated society and that people do have property rights and you the people have property
rights for this very building that we operate in government and any governmental building so uh it's it's a lot more than just worrying about a couple of people sleeping in the car somewhere because there are programs I
just wanted to clarify it that there is compassion and there's understanding for mankind across the board there are I I I've worked two cases this week uh to ensure that kids can go to school and there's a house that they can
come home to and it's very difficult Remy spoke his budget is very limited and he's being very creative and the Caps the federal caps and the State caps and what we have to offer are are
limited but it's being done it's just being done in in an orderly address as opposed to people just flooding a park and calling it home it's that's not the solution because that breeds other
challenges that that that occupy force that doesn't doesn't generate any help for anyone I I think we have to be geared towards looking at this ordinance so that we can go forward and treat people
the way they need to be treated and not as vagrants on the street thank you and if I could clarify a few things chairman if I could clarify a few things about the ordinance yes um in section four it includes what the violation
could be and I want to make sure I use the word could because we included that it is May after warning and after refusal to move to work with anybody at that point then they may be subject to penalties if law enforcement chooses to there is no automatic and actually says
they cannot arrest or cannot do law enforcement until they've given them an opportunity to move along or to not be camping on a public Street and it to the public camping term isn't clarified very well just in that term but it spefic spefically I think commissioner you stated it is it's
on streets it's on rights of way it's on County property it's not if somebody's out in a field and somebody's private property that's still a private property right and it does not include cars specifically the statute says living in a car if you have a car and you're in a parking lot that is not the same thing
it it specifically refers to sidewalks streets public rights way you said the curtilage out in front of this building something of that nature would be and again it includes they must be worn and refused to move along it's not they warned them once and they came in saw them the next
day and they then they they must be warned and refused and I would say just to be clear law enforcement already is involved unfortunately in this matter because I heard to their credit I heard Sheriff flowers at a Public Service Commission meeting last year talk about how they always have at least one truck
on the road so that they can help some of these organizations move people to grab their things to help them move to a homeless Center to help them go somewhere that's safer to get them in the treatment they need to and so they are already involved and knowing both of all three of you were in law enforcement
in some form but much of that is public service and is casework it's not just going out and pulling a gun or arresting somebody it is working with people to find out why and fix the problem and that's part of your job and I think they're doing a really good job of it here and I don't we're not trying to make it any harder we're we're trying to
do what we have to do to protect everybody and I don't have I don't think anybody would it's up to the commission obviously but if we wanted to include as well as the they must be warned and not move if you want to include law enforcement must also contact local providers to see if there's any assistance for this person I
don't have a we could easily craft that language my only concern was I would not want it to mention specific names because we have a problem with some of the old code here that mentions specific organizations that no longer exist or they've changed names and then it's impossible to comply with the code so if the commission has an has an appetite to
change that language that it can absolutely be written into there very easily that they also must you know contact the local providers to look for assistance for these people and that would be fine and that's why I I mentioned that we have organizations and not any one specific well can we just
simply include the verbage that a person who violates this code section and after a warning slash referral to service refuses to obey something simple but it clearly defines because it is a little
confusing since it does doesn't say a warning even though I know refusal to obey means that there was some communication and then just include referral to Services Community Services Services whatever you want to say because I don't I would like to just
go ahead and get this done and not have to bring back a draft change so is there some kind of language we can agree upon today or can we give clear enough direction as to what we're looking for to have that included
and it states currently a person who violates this code section and refuses to obey an order to leave the public property may be subject if we if you wanted to include a person who refuses to obey an order to leave and referrals for services that's fine we could add that as well that would be fine referral
to Community Services is that the language and referral to services I don't okay that's good I think referral to Services is good right I think may I speak I think that's a good idea um what form would
the referral to Services take I mean we've heard from a lot of the organizations today but you also have others uh hibiscus uh the source uh Samaritan Center um how would we handle that I would suggest leaving it open
that way so it's up to the Sheriff's Office to determine what the best communication I would want to hamstring them and saying You must contact this person or that person when they would know better what time of day what they can deal with and what currently who has the capacity because I know and I'm sure I don't want to speak for any of the
agencies here but I'm sure they are all in great communication with each other and know who has services for specific things and who is open there are times when some are full and they might send you somewhere else and so I would rather leave that open to allow them to whatever's best at the time okay thank
you L Enforcement office is uh the Sheriff's Office uh members I could speak uh as far as my recollection the the deputies are fully informed of what might be available out there and have a tremendous resource
it's called dispatch and they they can do that and there's countless times where uh deputies have used their their phone their device
or U encourage as you said the sheriff has a van up there to assist as well um I I just don't want this picture painted that we're criminalizing uh uh the uh efforts of as
we said just imagine people lined up in in in tents or tops uh on the curtilage of the entryway here that's not a quality of life for the citizens but most certainly it's
not a quality of life for the individuals that are compelled to be in that environment they deserve better and a better is available it just has to be traveled through and this mechanism
where it's a Prohibition uh it also allows the opportunity to get that individual on the right course as well it's up to the individual but it does give the opportunity for traveling the right
course to get into something better than living on the street under a tar just a quick comment about um using it just for organizations the reason why I said Homeless Continuum of Care is
because when a referral is made to the coordinated entry system the coordinated entry system reaches out to all those providers so it will relieve the Sheriff's Office of having to call 10 different providers to see who's available that was the reason why I made
that comment so and and once again the service REM that you provide uh or are the CEO of uh also does a broader scale of housing concerns as well as you're dealing with families that are misplaced
you're dealing with um parents with several children uh that are were in a home so the you have a a broader scale a wider variety of concerns and that's just one of the elements that you work with and that's the reason why I didn't
say Treasure Coast homeless Services Council I said Homeless Continuum of Care because we're required by law to maintain that process so it would make it more efficient if it just came directly to the system and we were able
to identify the providers in the room who could be available thank you uh Mr chair councelor can you yes can you read off the uh the suggested change uh that was discussed as
well a person who violates this code and refuses to obey an order to leave and referral to services to leave and referral to Services the public property may be subject to punishment as provided for an
Indian River code section 1.05 is that did that did that cover the suggestion on services to I just wanted to make it clear that there is a warning and that there is
some type of referral whom it gets referred to I trust the experts in the room I'm not an expert on that process and I and I think the comment of Mr Hicks is well taken that the sheriff is a separate constitutional officer and
um I think we'd want to defer to law enforcement to be able to determine what services and I would encourage the people in this room that are doing this great work to to work with law enforcement on that and again I'm currently in this
capacity but when I was in the other capacity uh we had uh some a lot less than we have today we had some options available to us to assist people to get them on the right track and I think the
Sheriff's Office does a uh a fine job uh I'm aware today that it's part of the training mechanism as well so and so I I appreciate everything they're doing and I believe that's most appropriate to leave it in the hands of those who are
making contact not those that are legisla did you have and did you have any other points counselor no thank you
sir County Administrator is there any other member of the public that wishes to speak regarding this matter we'll now close the public hearing Commissioners Mr chair I I think it's important to recognize that Florida
legislature and the governor signed an amendment to Florida State Statute 125 this ordinance is simply uh memorializing those facts and I can assure you that one of the last things that Law Enforcement wants to do is make
an arrest of a homeless person I can also assure you uh that more more than likely they would not charge an individual under a County ordinance additionally prior to an arrest of a
homeless person again I can assure you that all resources will be exhausted prior to that uh they're not in the business of arresting our way out of homelessness and I believe the current Administration feels the same way with
that I would move approval as amended a motion and a second I'll second that any further discussion we have a motion by Vice chairman L seconded by myself all in favor
opposed motion carried unanimously thank you thank you counselor thank you counselor now that we've done that counselor your opportunity for public notice items and that would be 11 B1 thank
you thank you uh Mr chair I just wanted to advise the public that a public hearing has been scheduled for board consideration for March 25th which is consideration of a miscellaneous budget amend Amendment
02 and certainly that um information on that budget item will be made available to the public and the board thank you made the public know what the budget item is and you said that you will
advise I think that would be important as yeah there there there will be a full-blown agenda item in advance for the March 25th meeting that will identify all and if there's as it relates to maybe revenue or expenditures the appropriate accounts there will be a
detailed agenda item as part of that set that hearing thank you sir for clarification now move on to the Department of Natural Resources and we'll have the in River County uh climate vulnerability
assessment update that's item 13 F1 all right good morning Commissioners good morning doc uh Kylie enula Natural Resources Director for the record so today we are pleased to have our
consultant tetr Tech present to uh present to you the draft of the Indian River County climate vulnerability assessment so this assessment was the result of a collaborative interdepartmental effort aimed at evaluating the vulnerability of our
existing infrastructure to various flooding hazards it builds upon the recent Statewide vulnerability assessment and provides us with the flexibility to focus on and prioritize our local assets so completing this
assessment is an essential step in ensuring our eligibility for potential resilient Florida funding which can help us to support projects that address flood risks specifically within our community so leading our consultant team are Georgia Vince and Aaron Dei who are
here with us today so they bring with them extensive experience specifically in conducting these vulnerability analyses and then also in resilience planning so um this presentation represents one of two public meetings
required as part of our grant agreement with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection so FD so once we receive any comments that the board wishes to integrate into the draft document we will bring it back to the board on March 25th in a final version
for adoption and then we can submit that final document to DP so I'm going to pass it over to our consultant team thank you good morning Commissioners thank you so much for your time today my name is Georgia Vince I'm with tetratech um and
we were selected to perform the vulnerability assessment do you have the PowerPoint presentation thank you so just really quick we're going to do some very quick team introductions uh review the project object objectives
some climate resiliency points um the purpose of the project we'll discuss the exposure and sensitivity analysis that was performed and give you some key takeaways from that analysis again Georgia Vince with tetr and I have with me today Aaron ddpa she
is a land planner and an attorney so has is a great source uh resource for us on the team um overall our project objectives were to develop a comprehensive strategy to identify vulnerabilities related to flooding um address those flooding
hazards complying with the state legislation the resilient Florida legislation that Aaron will discuss a little bit further and then the results are will help you guide you into future actions and also potentially develop some Community Partnerships
uh this vulnerability assessment is going to allow Indian River County to apply for future grant opportunities through the State of Florida programs and so um we uh it's one of the really
big take-home messages that you will now be eligible for additional funding so with that I'm going to turn it over to Aon to walk through the resilient Florida statute and components um much like your last discussion Tallahassee sometimes hands
us some parameters that we have to operate within so this is a 100% state funded Grant but they want these vulnerability assessments to be conducted consistently across local government so the types of sea level rise projections and the flood scenarios
and all of that is prescribed by Statute in terms of what we have to evaluate in these vulnerability assessments the first thing that they want us to do is create an inventory of your critical assets in order order to evaluate what's going to be vulnerable and when we have to know where your where your stuff is
where your roads are your community infrastructure I'll walk through a little bit of that and the State of Florida wants us to provide that inventory of critical assets because they are building their own Statewide data set of all of the local government's assets um to protect them
and and do some planning long term we have to create an exposure analysis which is basically water on the land where the water will will go under future conditions 2040 2070 and we also look at 2100 for some of those long-term
infrastructure decisions and we have to create Maps um these Maps do not account for storm water operations Heights of seaw walls and other things like that it's strictly a function of the elevation of the land and the elevation of the water then we have to identify out of all of the assets that we've
looked at what are the most important ones what are the critical ones to start planning for we have to to prioritize them and create both a map and a prioritize list to provide back to the state which tells us what assets we need to to look at when because of the timing
of the flood risk to them we have identified what we call flood Focus areas which are the highest concentrations where you have assets and where you have flood risk at the same time and then obviously we have to create a deliverable a report with all
of the maps and the lists and all of the um all of the things that the state wants to see so these are the climate hazards that the state requires us to look at uh we look at sea level rise and we are told what projections to use by
statues so um it's easier for us because then there's no debate about what those projections are we have to use them pursuant to state law uh we look at high tide flooding we look at storm surge we look at rainfall induced flooding and then we look at compound flooding which
are some of these scenarios that may have exacerbated impacts upon one another for instance in October you have a one one in 100 Year rainfall event and you have a king tide scenario at the same time or an offshore storm those
flooding impacts will exacerbate um one another and may create um more impacts than what we anticipated from just one mode of flood risk and so these are the critical assets again they're mandated by Statute of what we have to collect the information on
Transportation impacts critical infrastructure which is your water Wastewater Electric utilities uh critical community and emergency facilities uh schools hospitals and natural cultural and historic resources and one thing that I want to note with
this some of these assets you don't actually own and control it would be not your responsibility to adapt them for instance you don't own your hospitals in your community but you may own the roads or flooding infrastructure that supports that particular hospital so those
relationships with those Community assets even though you don't own and maintain them are important to make sure that there's um access to them or those Services um during these types of events the resilient Florida uh
legislation as discussed it it creates certain data requirements for instance we have to use um navd which is a datum to make sure that there's consistent elevation analysis we have to look at at least two sea level rise projections and
as stated we have to look at the 2017 Noah intermediate low and high when we plan for sea level rise uh the science is pretty good in those interim those shorter years but the longer term we go out the less certain it is so we look at a range of conditions that are
prescribed by the state and then again they require us to look at 20 240 and 2070 and we also look at 2100 for that longer term um projection and so we have modeled all of this we have evaluated all of this and we've created a map series called the exposure map series
which which shows the outcomes of these flood scenarios so I'll turn it back over to Georgia to walk through the exposure and the sensitivity analysis thank you so again just to clarify and make sure everybody's on the same page the exposure analysis is
literally looking at the land elevation and the future projections of rainfall and sea level rise over those land projections those elevation projections it does not take into consideration storm water infrastructure it's not a model an H&H model it's simply looking
uh at the maps where water is going to be on the land in the future um I'll go through some of the maps now we do have 54 map series that we prepared for the vulnerability assessment I won't go through all of those but I'll go through some key u maps that you can see um how
things may look in the future again this is a conservative analysis so um it is using Noah intermediate High and um so this is no intermediate High present day 2040 2070 and 2100 along the
coastline uh for rainfall this is a countywide view of where we're expected to see rain um uh concentrated on the land for a 100-year 24-hour rain event and it also incorporates along the
coast the sea level rise we look at days of tital flooding so what the expected um duration of flooding that will happen along the coastline and so as you can see uh as the areas get more red we're looking at greater days of
inundation and storm surge as you can imagine a category 3 versus a category five storm we take those into consideration the wave run up the wind and how that can affects affect the shoreline and as Aaron mentioned we then take all of those conditions and put them
together to see the worst case scenario um and this is a view of um the Sebastian River and uh neighboring communities and you can see that the um again the uh depth of water increases in the low-lying areas so now that we have identified the
areas where the flooding is going to take place we overlay that with your critical assets and we look at um that inventory that we developed through the using all the state criteria and we assess the risks
of the flooding against those critical assets so the purpose of that is to identify flooding Focus areas so we rather than look at a countywide view we focus on the areas where you have a concentration of critical assets and we
have increased flooding um we take those assets there and we calculate the risk and the vulnerability of those individual assets and then we apply a ranking system to prioritize those assets so we can um identify the um
highest priorities so the flooding Focus areas are again subject to either sea level rise uh storm surge rainfall or combination of flooding by 2040 2070 or 2100 it's an area of aggregated critical
assets and um we we also include a socioeconomic analysis so we look at low-income neighborhoods and see how that affects uh where the where the critical assets are and that helps prioritize where adaptation response can
be directed throughout the community and these are the 10 flooding Focus areas that were identified uh in cooperation with uh the team the steering committee and I will take you through some of the
um details of those flooding Focus areas as I mentioned we prioritize the assets within each of the flooding Focus areas based on timing of those flood impacts so if it's a near-term flooding impact it'll be ranked higher if it's
being impacted by multiple events it will be ranked higher and if it's in a a socially vulnerable Community it will be ranked higher the Baseline asset inventory included over 15,000 community-owned assets 1,300 were are owned and
maintained by the county 578 um of the critical assets were identified within the 10 flooding Focus areas uh we did identify 17 assets as regionally significant throughout the county and these regionally significant
assets again aren't necessarily owned by the county but um maybe things like the airport I95 US1 major um major infrastructure that is critical to the community so the um 9 97 critical assets
were the highest priority 172 were medium and then 309 critical assets weren't prioritized based on our analysis so in flooding Focus Area 1 we have the wabaso causeway Park um
identified as a high priority in flooding Focus area 2 we have fire station 15 and the Sebastian Landing lift station as a high priority um in flooding Focus area three
um nothing came through as high but we do have the beach Beachland Elementary and fire rescue Station 2 as well as a debris management site within this flooding Focus area for number four we have the raxton
lift station and identified as a high priority as well as fire rescue station 7 within this flooding Focus area several um several lift stations were identified in
flooding Focus area five as high priorities in six we have fire station 10 and Sebastian River Trail Head Park and seven uh one of the assets is a retirement center a Water Reclamation
facility and uh several communication towers as it relates to the airport fire rescue uh station 9 is located in flooding Focus area 8 um there's also
some historic homes here and uh several lift stations including uh and we also have Dale Wim Park and the associated boat ramp for flooding Focus area 9 we identified uh several lift stations and um both as
high and medium priority and then uh flooding Focus area 10 doesn't have any High priorities but we did identify a debris management site uh in Indian Rivers Shores Community assets that were at
risk so from all of the analysis we did the key takeaways is that Indian River County will be affected by climate threats and increased vulnerability to flooding in the future the study that we did is compliant with the Florida statute um and allows for eligibility
for State funding um Indian River County as you know is doing um addressing resiliency by doing the following things um identifying the areas most at risk of flooding at prioritizing critical
Community assets at risk and setting the foundation for future adaptation planning um So the plan is to increase Indian River County's resiliency through projects programs and policies uh apply for implementation grants through the resilient Florida
program and use that adap use that planning money and that grant money to develop do additional mitigation planning for the future and I won't speak for staff but uh staff is recommending ending that the board of County Commissioners provide comments for incorporation into the
final vulnerability assessment and we look forward to that final VA coming back to the board on March 25th and that's it for me today thank is there any questions um on page uh 616
uh or six uh hyphen 16 uh under historic and cultural assets I think you might want to add the VR Beach Museum of Art and as a point of Interest they are in the process of putting together an expansion quite an extensive uh
expansion program which will also include actually elevating the museum the uh the level to protect it against the kind of flooding events uh that you're talking about here so uh you know that's just to be known I
know this is an assessment and not necessarily a plan forward but uh I'll just make some comments and then if it's appropriate incorporate them and if not uh that's fine um I I I would like to get a definition of I I don't think it
was in here I read the book you know that I read the entire book that we were given I don't really see a definition of mitigation and uh I'd like to know or understand more about that uh about medication mitigation excuse me
especially within the context of this increased uh you know flooding that we know will occur um you know how can we well how can we mitigate that um also I I would like to or hope
to engage the public more there was the one uh public Outreach meeting uh commissioner irman and I uh happen to be there and I think uh our County Administrator attended online but it wasn't this is such I know people are interested in this because as as I said
earlier in the meeting many of my complaints that I receive you know about flooding so I I know there's a big interest in this I'm not sure how you go about uh you know I mean I can send it out to those people but um you know did just to attract a larger audience next
time you know it's it's for next time I know you know know you did it uh I guess I'd like to see more too on what we should require of developers you had a hint of that here we know the living shorelines and that probably should be
not just uh on Ocean or or Lagoon properties but also maybe you know storm water ponds maybe it's something that we should request that uh you know that every developer do uh and that's you know that's up to you like I said I'm just uh commenting on what I read
several years ago uh uh The Soil and Water Conservation District which is an elected body uh requested that we update the USGS that's United States Geological Survey hydrological report for the
county that was back in uh April of 2021 and that it's I know you mentioned in here getting more information that's specific to the county and that was a report for the county so uh would encourage you to to speak with them
they're the experts on this but they had requested it of us it went through us they invited County Commission to their meeting and I believe it was in April of 2021 um you know to inform us that you know it was important to update since
the previous one was done in 1988 and it was certainly time to update but they they don't have a budget so you know I know that there'll be funding issues attached to this going forward they didn't have the budget to do it uh and that's The Soil and Water Conservation District so that's why they were you
know had attempted at that time to go through us on it uh and finally I think I have um yeah the new new land use and uh Land Development policies that you know that came at the very end and as I
said I know this is not an action plan but I think that'll really be critical um you know going forward and I mean even today talking about Meritage and that's going to be in a what is it called special flooding Hazard area you
know that that they're looking to develop and that sounds pretty important I mean that you know that special flood Hazard area and you know just like throwing an extra bit of dirt on it I don't think it's going to solve the problem and I you know I wondered to
myself should we be building there at all so I'm hoping that what will come out of this is uh the ability to make more informed better informed decisions about development that's my that's my
hope for this thank you thank you that's what it um I can't answer your question on mitigation and mitigation strategies or adaptation strategies are ways to offset or plan for the future so for a building
for example that could be flood proofing dry proofing moving electrical equipment and important resour ources for operations to the second floor um it can be elevating an entire building um there's all kinds of different adaptation strategies for different
types of assets um trying to think what else she mentioned you mentioned um but um I did want to address the mitigation and and um an adaptation plan would look at those different assets and how they
can be retrofitted or relocated in some some instances to places where there's not as much impact from flooding thank you this this was a vulnerability study that was directed by
the state required yes and uh it's one of the rare exceptions that we had an unfund we had a funded mandate because we were granted the opportunity to have the study and it's about vulnerability not
planning this is not a a planning assessment this was vulnerability susceptibility and the ability to be able to apply for funding for any
improvements or uh response in catastrophic uh events that could be applied so this is a requirement to have this type of study a highly technical type of study correct correct just want
to make sure I didn't miss the train yeah this this this vulnerability assessment was 100% funded by Florida D and they also provide implementation grants at a 50% match and those implementation grants will rank higher
in approval if you have completed a vulnerability assessment and we we really don't we would not be eligible for many opportunities if we did not have the absence of this study yes it is
a requirement yeah I believe every County within the State of Florida has is either has completed or is pursuing a vulnerability assessment and several M municipalities I don't know the number but a a majority of the municipalities
also pursue vulnerability assessments so it's a precursor or as they would say in Collegiate terms a prerequisite for any comp for through the resilient Florida program that's just one you know funding source there's
hundreds of funding sources throughout the state and through the federal government but this one is key yeah specific Mr chair yes so uh so this is essentially a primary or the precursor
to what the The Logical action that should come next which I understand some communities have not done but should be really adap adap an adapt adaptation plan that identifies the risk that or looks at the risk that you identify the
hazards and comes up with a plan how to mitigate or you know uh adapt to those specific situations is that correct that's correct and those adaptation plans include an implementation schedule
so that you can track your progress with implementing the projects that you identify in your adaptation plan so and that's well that's not mandatory in in the statute like this was that's the whole idea is let a community be aware
of what risks and Hazards they could be presented from a flooding standpoint over a course of time and then develop the appropriate plan is that correct correct and the State of Florida resilient Florida program also uh provides funding for adaptation planning
yeah you you have oh no no that was a hard note I'm good I'm feeling vulnerable but that we have a plan well they've identified and got my rubber boot so I'm
good is there anything no sir okay thank you so much for your time today so are you guys just looking for feedback basically do we need a motion I think commissioner Moss has given her input it doesn't sound like anybody else
needs that so is that all you need yes okay and we're com back on the 25th or something yes so we'll bring this back on the February 25 or March I know what month it is the the next March meeting so March 25th so
we'll bring the final document back I have the comments from commissioner Moss so we can incorporate those in a lot of them have already been incorporated into the final draft so um we'll just make a couple more edits submit that and then get approval submit that report to the
state to meet all of our grant requirements and then we'll pay our consultant and then request reimbursement from D to recoup those dollars so thank you let us know when you get that check back in the mail and see how fast it turns
around we will in the report thank you thank you thank you team well uh the next item is uh also going going to be a uh a rather lengthy one would you like to take a brief break while they set it
up yeah you okay yeah let let's allow them to make sure their presentation is rolling so we'll take a brief recess I e e e e
e e e e e e e e e e we have more down
here we'll now resume the meeting and our staff is all at the ready for item 13 H1 which is the elap ranking list of environmental lands acquisition properties for the initial nomination
period good morning almost afternoon Beth pal conservation uh parks recreation and conservation director and Wendy swindel assistant director for parks recreation conservation and Mr Michael Zoo here to our right today we are um very excited
to share with you the first nomination ranking uh for the um environmental land acquisition program uh the environmental land acquisition panel has met and the first nomination period has closed uh we
would like to remind everyone that the nominations are on a continuous cycle so if anyone would like to nominate Parcels uh they are able to do so uh by several different means that we'll cover in the presentation uh quickly we would like to
just give some information to the public for those that may not know uh we kind of do this uh repeat each time because we know there are new community members new staff Etc the first two bond referendums for Indian River County
occurred in 1992 and 2004 these uh environmental uh Bond referenda uh allowed for the acquisition of approximately $138 million of properties uh the first Bond was 26 million and the
second Bond was for a total of 50 million staff used uh and leveraged grants uh from many different sources in order to maximize the bond uh funds that were available and uh we have purchased
um just over uh two 2300 Acres that the county manages uh 5622 Acres which are managed through leases and management agreements some people may be familiar with the St Sebastian River State Park and the county was instrumental in a very large
portion of the Indie River County State Park that is now managed by uh D in the state of Florida and then 3761 acres are protected through conservation easements and these conservation easements protect the
long-term uh habitat and uh and uh habitats and conservation uh aquafer recharge Etc uh by prohibiting future development and ensuring preservation of Natural Resources imp perpetuity the 2022 environmental land
Bond referendum uh was approved uh through res ation uh 20226 and that call that Bond uh referendum uh went to the voters which was approved and that allows for $50 million um over the course of 20 years
and this uh Bond referendum uh was passed Again by the voters in 2022 uh part of the provision for that was to update the environmental Lance program guide which is the directing uh guidance that's board approved and elap approve establishes the elap which tells
us how we move through this process to uh to eventually acquire and protect uh certain environmental environmentally sensitive lands so now I think I'll turn it over to Wendy and let her go through um the process so that you understand how the
environmental land acquisition panel was created uh what it consists of and a little bit of the timelines who understand the process good morning uh we've been through you uh here before to talk to you a little bit about the ELP guide um
the guide was originally developed as part of the first two Bond resolutions and one of the first processes as Beth mentioned that we had to undertake was updating the guide um that was first brought to the commission um to get permission to do that work and then
after that time it was taken back to the elap and as Beth mentioned um part of the guide talks about the elap itself the group and what their responsibilities are how they're put together um who's in the group um their backgrounds and all of that um just
we're giving you a little bit of refresher as Beth mentioned because some of this information may be new to some people but the elap is a nine member group that was board approved five of the members are from each of the districts for the Commissioners and then we have four at large members with
different areas of expertise and the purpose of um putting the board together in this fashion really is to get people that have a lot of varying backgrounds um to put input into reviewing these Parcels as an Advisory Group to the
Commissioners so that um once their um information is all put together they can make recommendations and that's actually what we're here for today is to give you the first recommendation from the ranking so the first elot meeting happened on August 15th and there were
two additional meetings in 2023 with the last meeting being the recommendations to modify the environmental land program guide and a good bit of the discussion that was involved with that was actually on the evaluation Matrix the elap discussed
that at length and made recommendations to modify that to what they felt was a more um usable format so we're going to talk a little bit about the Matrix we just wanted to kind of give you an overview um there are five qualitative considerations and
what we talk about with qualita considerations are really physical characteristics and ecological value we're looking really for discussion on the resources um Beth and I have put the page numbers for anybody that's um wanting to actually find these sections
in the guide which is also incorporated into our GIS Hub which we're also going to touch on a little bit and then the second half of the Matrix is really property acquisition considerations and really to sum that up it's kind of getting the most bang for your buck it's
what the best value is for the county to pursue um because we're obviously very um sensitive to the fact that this is tax pair money that we're using and we want to do it wisely so just a quick view of the actual Matrix and this is what the elap
was tasked with filling out they fill out one of these app um matrices for each of the nominated parcels and once again on the left-and side you can see the qualitative considerations and then on the right hand side you see the property acquisition consideration ations and about um 2third of the way
down you see the waiting factors that was a good bit of the discussion that the elap had as well and there were some changes that were made that were ultimately codified by the board in December of um 2023 when we bought the brought the final draft back for consideration so the waiting factors are
basically to give um a little bit more emphasis for certain factors so you'll see the natural communities and corridors or Greenways are a little bit higher than things um such as vulnerability and and purchase need versus Alternatives just to go into the
evaluation factors in a little bit more detail so the natural communities really focus on the extent and condition of those natural areas they would look at things like biodiversity and and generally what kind of habitat value would that area have then you get into the habitat value
which really focuses a lot on the actual species not just Wildlife species but both plant and animal species and in other words the more species you have it's generally considered to be a higher value corridors and Greenways um these are looking at connectivity between
natural and protected areas so as we've brought to you before there's um the Florida Wildlife Corridor is a big consideration um in funding right now those properties are normally in the western part of the county but that's not to say that isolated areas um do not
have a natural value um most of our conservation Aries east of 95 are m a few of them are actually within blueways but a lot of them really do have a large Urban interface so we have to um balance that then you have the landscape value
which touches on just what I mentioned where is this site in the landscape what adjacent uses may impact the site we don't want to be spending a whole bunch of money buying a big piece of land only to find out that they're putting in a big sand mine next door that would change the wetlands on the property and
things like that and Recreation and education we really focus heav on making sure that the public gets the most enjoyment out of these conservation areas and that obviously includes passive Recreation and Environmental Education which we do a lot of programming in our current conservation
areas and then the second half of the Matrix really talks about property acquisition considerations this is as I mentioned the bang for the buck portion of the Matrix so the first one is just what I said um what is the best value for the dollar now obviously right now
we're in the formative stages so we don't necessarily have um a dollar amount that would come obviously once we start talking to some of the property owners purchase need versus other protection um the way that the ELP guide talks about it it's that outright
purchase should be the last alternative are there other reasons why that property um could be protected that wouldn't involved um complete acquisition vulnerability uh is considered a factor when you're looking at things like what is the threat of
development to a particular part parcel if we don't purchase that environmentally sensitive area will it be converted into some sort of a development or in contrast to that are there regulatory limitations for example zoning are there a lot of wetlands on a site that would require mitigation those
areas are somewhat protected just based on the existing regulations we also consider Land Management constraints um how much is it going to cost the county um to ReStore Habitat or in contrast to that is an area in great shape and does not require
a lot of Land Management so that is one of the evaluation factors Cooperative acquisition and Grant potential um we've been directed by the board to really um pursue as much funding as we can to cost share and as Beth mentioned in the
original two grants um the $76 million was actually leveraged into 138 million when the final tally was up for the acquired land which is a great ratio and then excuse me fa market conditions um
we're looking to um talk to Welling Sellers and compare you know one proper to to another and try and obviously um make sure that we're getting the best value so quickly to go through the nomination process overview as I mentioned um the ELP was modified by the
elap in 2023 and it was finally approved in December of that year our first cycle began in March 1st of 2024 the Cycles are six months in length then that nomination period closes but as Beth mentioned um Parcels can be nominated
all the time we're just ranking these properties two times per year nominations are open to the public and we had several different mechanisms to accept nominations we did it by email by Hub by regular mail and you could literally log into the Hub and fill out
the application itself um the nominations were reviewed by the elap to see if they met the minimum criteria which is outlined in the guide um we created a dashboard for maximum transparency that dashboard um if you would like afterwards if we need to look
at anything we can certainly pull that up but that provides all of the information that is submitted um is put on that dashboard so that it's available to the board to the elap to staff and to the public so we want to make sure that everybody is incorporated into this
process the elap discussed the nominated Parcels um and and paired down what met the minimum criteria we engaged environmental Consultants to create desktop reports for each of the properties so that the elap could review
those and have an idea as they rank um obviously we don't have the ability at this point to do a lot of ground truthing but a lot um with the technology that we have now those desktop reports are actually very useful and and informative um all of this information
once again like I said is on the Hub we're happy to share how to get there if anybody needs to know that so 52 nominations were received between March 1st and August 31st of those we had 23 willing seller projects some of these nominations um the elap elected to
Cluster into what we're calling projects um these are properties that were adjacent to each other and it just made more sense to um consolidate those um in terms of how those sites would be looked at from a usable um perspective there
were 11 elap meetings held in 2024 and the elap during that process would review each of the reports and talk about the properties and several times throughout that year um the elap had decided that um they wanted to rank
the fee simple and the easement applications separately because the nature of those projects is um a bit different in particular when you get to the second half of the Matrix so in November 24 2024 um staff in the elap had an informational meeting and just
want to emphasize that all of these meetings were open to the public um at various meetings we had more or less participation from the public which was great to have their input uh in December 2024 we had another informational meeting um basically to answer staff was
there to answer any questions from either the elap or the public to clarify things before the ranking process was formally um to begin and so between that time um the elap was to fill out each of those um Matrix sheets for all of the 23
nominations keeping in mind that a couple of them were clustered as I said and then we have one nomination that was um submitted both as an easement as an Fe and also a fe simple um nomination so staff um received all those uh score
sheets from the elap about a week before the January meeting and went ahead and tabulated all of those and we'll move to the next so what I wanted to do really quick is go through each of the um fee simple
nominations and the easement nominations we don't we're not going to take a whole bunch of time we just wanted to generally show people where these are and just hit on some key highlights and one of the things that I would mention really quickly is that um toward the end of the presentation
you're going to see the tiered results of the ranking one of the key components uh discussed by the elap was that in previous bonds we had um categorically numbered so you had property that ranked number one number two number three and
there were some cases where that inhibited the pursuit of potentially a property that had a willing seller that was ready to move because you had other properties that were stacked ahead of it the elop and then uh through your approval approved this process by which
we will still tabulate all of the scores uh but the El lap would decide on the tiered and that's what we're asking for your approval today um which is consistent with staff staff's recommendation is the elap recommendation this tiered process
allows for us to uh pursue properties within whichever tier you approve today so that we're not holding one property up over another and the other thing that I would mention is that with the exception of the Flores Groves property all of these properties are eligible for
consideration and for uh AC for pursuing for acquisition however in order for staff to be able to um efficiently move toward and focus on certain properties those that rank the highest the tiers would be um what we're recommending that
you approve for us to move forward with first we also have new nominations that will be coming in uh and we'll be folding those into this so it's a kind of a moving Target and could be changed at any time uh by the board's Direction
uh or by recommendation by the elap yeah and I'm I'm glad Beth clarified that I also should clarify that um the reason that we have the 23 that you're going to see today is because these are just the Willing seller properties it's not that those other ones that are on the list have
gone away they're still there we just have not been able to contact those owners or they have not expressed an interest at this point and being included into the process but we don't remove any of the projects from consideration unless the owner um sends us you know stipulates please take my
property off of this list so the first one we wanted to quickly show you this is 66 Avenue this is a 48 half acre parcel um as you can see it is all pasture it was nominated on behalf of the owner the current
zoning is agricultural one um and you can see in the dash line at the bottom that is the St Lucy County border so the West Side would be 66 Avenue and the South there would be the St Lucy County Line Atlantic Boulevard if you look to the south of the green block and that is
IRSC um that is obviously um I'm sorry to the north um and you can see where State Road 60 is this is 11.3 acre parcel that actually is um nominated by the land owner the zoning is A1 and
ag1 and um a good bit of this is um forested areas I believe there are some buildings on this site beach side Lane property you can see the Oyster Bar Marsh Conservation Area um is adjacent to this this is a 6.3 acre parcel it was
nominated by the land owner the current zoning is single family residential it is located in the Southeast iniver County as I mentioned and you can see the little area on the extreme East area that sticks out um that would be where the um home site could potentially
occur Bent Pine was brought to us um this piece of their um vacant land it's 93.7 Acres it is adjacent to the golf course um the it is currently zoned rm4 multiple family and it was nominated by
Charles Fountain who is on their Board of Governors Foster Road property is in the city of Sebastian you can see County Road 512 um to the southeast of the site in US1 and the north um Sebastian Conservation Area would be to the
Northwest this is a 15.6 acre parcel nom ated by the adjacent land owner and the current zoning is residential multif family medium density um and it once again like I said it is located in the city of Sebastian hail Groves this is one that
we um had gotten feedback from the elap that it should be ranked as a we're calling it a project instead of a parcel because this 42 acre nomination is actually five separate Pro uh properties with four owners the two hail Grove
storefront and the um Hill Grove property and then we have two Durant place and 93rd Lane is on the rivers side of that we were not able to make Pro um contact there was a small piece to the extreme north west of the site on US1 so that was not included and all
five Parcels are willing sellers jungle Trail Fisher property is um obviously is on Jungle Trail the little red arrow is circling that that's a 3 and a half acre parcel um the owner is currently building a home in the portion of the site closer to Jungle
Trail um you can see on the aial that it is adjacent to Captain Forester which is one of the conservation areas that the county manages jungle Trail Island Club Manor is to the south of that previous site it is a 19.36% forward with development at some point
and as with the previous nomination this is adjacent to Captain Forester um which we manag caner Farms West um is out with all of the easements which are in the western part of the county this is the nomination that wanted to be considered
for both a fee simple purchase as well as a conservation easement it's 228 acres in size it was nominated by an agent on the owner's behalf um it is south of Highway 60 it is adjacent to the padet easement and south of the cvy
ranch nomination and you can see the county boundary for okobi county is just to the South Kelly Road um is 194. 4 acre 4 acre parcel that actually has nine sub Parcels this is located south of Oslo
Road um sort of southwest of where the intergenerational center is um the owner did not nominate this project this has been approved several times for plan development it is currently zoned as L2 um and we just highlighted that the one owner May reduce time frames even
though there are nine Parcels Louisiana Avenue as you can see on the map is adjacent to North Sebastian Conservation Area this is a 4.65 Acre Site that includes multiple Parcels but they're all under common ownership it is it was nominated by the
owner it is only commercial um and it is adjacent to the FEC Railroad in the bright line Osprey Estates um is adjacent to the uh 45th the gfer dock you can see that just to the um north side of the property and
then there is um conservation land to the South this is a 12.7 acre parcel it was part of a mosquito impoundment that is no longer in the rim Management program so the majority of this site is mangroves Sebastian Riverview property
is as you can see right before you leave um the county and head into Bard County on US1 this is a 2.15 acre parcel that is abing the inan river Lagoon it was nominated by a resident on behalf of the owner and the current zoning is limited
commercial District future zoning um the reason that we keep mentioning the zoning is as I mentioned on The Matrix um that is one of the considerations is the threat to development just in case you were wondering terara Estates uh is an 8.79 par acre parcel this is to the
north of County Road 510 and this is part of um a conglomeration of parcels that are adjacent to the South prong slooh this was Nom nominated by the land owner Martin C Tera and the current zoning is
RS10 wabaso Island property is 3.4 Acres it is across from the ELC you can see where the causeway is located this was nominated by a member of the community and the potential zoning here is rs1 which um is a single family
home winter beach 73rd Street property is approximately 36 Acres it is uh one owner but it was not owner it was not nominated by the owner the current zoning is RS3 it is located at the East End of 69th Street um and the owner has
um obviously is a willing seller so now we're going to move quickly into the conservation easements that were nominated um um as you can see here we do have seven easements uh one of the things that Beth and I wanted to clarify uh she brought it up earlier is
that the flares Grove easement was considered um it did meet the minimum criteria but once it got to the point of ranking um we'll discuss that in a minute it was uh eliminated from future consideration just because the feeling from the elap was it just didn't meet
the intent of this resolution not that it wasn't a valuable property but it just wasn't um meeting the intent of this particular um process that the countyy is going through so the first easement to discuss is the Blackwater Creek Flatwoods you can see that it is
north of State Road 60 it's 1,470 Acres um owned by Todd fennel and it was nominated by a local resident um there is an active hunting and fishing lodge and Ranch on site blue cypress Flatwoods is
approximately 297 Acres owned by Raymond darling and it was nominated by a local resident and once again it is North of Highway 60 and just to the southwest of blue Cypress Lake cubby Ranch is south of State Road
60 that is an approximately 390 acre 90 acre parcel it was nominated by an agent on the owner's behalf um it is adjacent to the current um padet easement that the county has Fort Drum um 50 Ranch is
approximately 148.5 Acres this was nominated by an agent on the owner's behalf um as you can see it is south of State Road 60 and it is adjacent to padet easement and north of the cvy ranch nomination caner Farms West as I
mentioned earlier was nominated both as a fee simple acquisition as well as a conservation easement this is um 228 acres in size it was nominated by an agent on the owner's behalf and as I mentioned prior um it's adjacent to the
okobi county boundary on the South Side padet branch easement 2 is approximately 1,094 Acres it was nominated by the owner Lance padet um the northern boundary is Highway 60 southern boundary is okobi and you can see it's adjacent
to existing conservation this is the parcel that I just mentioned this is the flares Grove um 29 69 Acres it was nominated by the owner Mr baba D he represents the Florida Research Center for agricultural
sustainability um the property is actively utilized to conduct research on production of food and fiber crops um so the the feedback from the owner was that that would be continuing it would not um they would not want to change their um
process that they currently have underway so the ranking meeting summary um December 17th 2024 we had that public information meeting and took questions from the public and from the elap prior to the ranking process
beginning the ranking meeting summary uh in January 202 21st 2025 was the ranking meeting the elap did have Quorum for that meeting staff presented the summary which you're going to see in just a minute which is the table that shows the
ranking and also the teering of the properties there was a general discussion from the elap members on their rankings during the meeting and general discussion about scores in comparison with the summary table but none of the members elected to change
their scores or change the um ranked list so the discussion then moved into actually tearing the properties um as Beth mentioned the goal of the tearing was to allow for staff to pursue um the tier one properties concurrently so one
property wouldn't necessarily hold up the um negotiations with any other particular property all of the properties remain viable and the thought is that once the tier one list is exhausted then we move into tier two and
then tier three so a motion was um put forth to remove the Flair's Grove as I mentioned because it just didn't meet the intent of this current resolution and the elap did approve a motion to recommend that the um board adopt the ranked and tiered list of projects and
direct staff to pursue discussion with the land owners of tier one properties so this is the nomination ranking um you can see the green are the tier one properties wanted to mention that the elap had also decided as they
um rank these projects not to average their scores they did a cumulative score so 6,285 represents all nine um elap members scores and so that as you can see they go from top to bottom in terms
of the scoring and then tier two would be in the blue and tier three would be in the red um the other item that Beth mentioned was the tearing was also looked at in terms of what is a manageable group of properties for staff
to pursue um at any one time not to say that if we get in touch with the tier one properties and it turns out that some of those owners and their idea of their value is different from the county is then we just moved into tier two once
those um opportunities are exhausted so the um breaking of the list there were some um what the elap perceived to be natural breaks as to what was a manageable group of projects and what made sense from a resource protection and that's the fee simple nominations
and then we'll show you the same process for the easement nominations so you can see the easements um the six that remained were split between tier one and in tier two um with once again the caner Farms being in tier
two for an easement but tier one for the fee simple so that was um the finding of the elap and then we move into the BCC recommendation um we are respectfully requesting that the board of County
Commissioners approve the attached elap final ranking and tiered list of nominations and we're further requesting that the board authorize staff to pursue tier one ranked properties for acquisition consistent with the environmental lands acquisition panel's
recommendation including the authority to make conditional offers of purchase and sale subject to approval by the board of County Commissioners in accordance with Florida statute section 12535 thank you so we're here to answer questions and well I just I just want to
open it up with I'm sure there are questions uh I don't know how they can't be questioned this was uh this took the better part of that long period of time in which we've had the possession of the
book but I I want to I want to thank uh elap I want to thank the team they come from all walks and they were given a lot of opportunity suggestions
nominations you all had to travel AC course with all this information and the assessment process to get it here today so you can continue your process um it it's rather complicated
because um I I believe well there's two of us that have had uh a lot of in in in our prior uh careers we've had the opportunities to look for uh overdue
campers kayakers and and go into some of these lands which are absolutely breathtaking some are not they're uh they're worth preserving worth looking
into but some of these items and obviously the one that ranks the highest I I think that's an all-time record that's because it is absolutely a wonderful experience just to be there and uh with that I only hope that
uh the assessment uh the the process uh involved some independent visits other than informationals because um again uh personally I I had to be at
some of these sites uh for a whole different reason but when you're there it's actually uh one of the sites was the first time I saw Panther and I I think that some of the species of wildlife that you were
encounter I don't even think Marin Perkins got a chance to see yet uh it is absolutely breathtaking the environment and this is a a mission well served um but uh I I trust that my
colleagues have some I just want to recognize because I trust my colleagues may have some questions and then I also will be opening up to the public for further input before we move forward thank
you yeah I want to thank you also um I attended I guess I guess it was two of the meetings the long meeting was that the one in November I was I stayed for two hours and I think it went I don't know where it go five or six hours it was literally Into the Night
um that was an incredible amount of work um it was I'm glad I had the opportunity to sit there and then the second meeting was interesting to me I I don't know if that was the very next one or the one after that but that was the one where everybody in the room uh before there
was much discussion just agreed was that was that the the the ranking meeting that was likely the January meeting I'm guessing and and we was it that did that have to do with the ranking everybody everybody agreed it was it was interesting to watch I mean I I didn't stay that long for that one I everybody
agrees so that's done but it was fascinating uh to watch the process and I understand the amount of work that went into it I had a couple of questions because I was was a lot of reading um I reviewed the program guide just to
refresh my memory on it and just out of curiosity I was looking at um it's appendix d uh chapter 8 which is from the conservation uh element it's objective five on Wetlands it's only one sentence so I'll read it I'm just curious where we stand if you
know uh through 2020 there will be no net loss of the natural functions and values of wetlands or deep water habitats in any River County like are we you know are we keeping track of that do we know where we stand in that regard I
I don't believe in particular that our department is but I do recognize that we do have in our Planning Group we do have um our group that follows Wetland permitting in the county and they work very closely with the Water Management District who does keep a Statewide
inventory on um net loss of wetlands um now whether or not our our county is doing in that level of detail I don't know at this point but we could certainly find that out for you I was just wondering because in terms of um determining the tiers and I know there were there were appear to be many
variables and you can handle only so much work but I just now as you were going through them I chose uh you know Riverside uh I'm sorry Beachside Lane property and uh Sebastian Riverview
property so those are both I think you know Waterfront so I'm wondering just you know in general are pieces of property that are uh near existing bodies of water they you know considered to be
more crucial less crucial and it would seem to hinge on on whether or not we've uh met the requirements of some of these objectives you know like no no net loss of the natural functions of values of wetlands I mean it would seem it would seem to me it would be
good to know that um and have that you know influence uh some of the decision making one of the things that um was in the resolution was uh referencing protection of the Indian River Lagoon so obviously any of those properties that
are adjacent to the Lagoon both Upland and Wetland have that ecological value uh the way that the Matrix is laid out the vulnerability for those um sites would get a lower score because obviously if they are largely Wetland it
would be it's not impossible to develop Wetlands but you obviously do have hoops that you have to jump through um but in contrast to that then on the other portion of the Matrix it would rate higher from a habitat point of view because they are for the most part intact
um so it's a a balance that the Matrix tries to recognize and what the um process would be that as we go through all of this and we will come back to the board once we talk to owners with what owners are actually truly meeting us in
terms of a potential acquisition um to talk about more in depth each of these properties because at that point we'll have the ability to get on the properties look at them evaluate it's very hard from a desktop in um level um as a biologist I can look at that
information and tell you what I believe to be there but to confirm that and also things like um protected species you can't really see that unless you're on the site where you actually observe things or observe a habitat that would indicate that that would be there so I'm
probably not answering your question thoroughly but in terms of wetlands they're very well regulated in Florida um second probably only to California and the nation in terms of how closely we Reg at our wetlands and in terms of net loss and functional value I think
the county does a very good job of making sure um through our planning process that we're conserving what we can through our ordinances and regulations obviously you can't go much beyond what is um codified as a regulation um going back to the tiers
for a minute uh do you have any idea what the timeline will be um because I I guess if I understood it correctly uh you're going to address tier one to the exclusion of tier two for for now is that is that correct do I understand that it prioritizes the
ability for staff to focus on the tier one properties because that's what we feel um and the elap felt like was the most important for us to focus on our attention on a lot of that hinges on whether or not there are truly willing sellers for the appraised value of the
property um when it comes to the easements what are they willing to negotiate in the easements are they willing to meet the county where we want and need to be with regard to the preservation protection and long-term management of those properties we may
find that we have different interests or different ideas of what a conservation easement entails and for the the uh simple properties we may find that there are things that prohibit us from being able to purchase those properties you know once you get into that but until
and again I think one of the things that is important to remember there are not winners and losers in this process with the exception of the flares Groves all of these properties uh are eligible for acquisition through this program based
on the cursory review but we do have to be able to take the different properties and and bite off what we can chew uh during this first round and with the second nomination period H period having just closed this this uh list will be fairly Dynamic and I think that's what
we saw during the last uh two Bond refer also was that the list becomes very fluid and very dynamic because you start to enter into negotiations you start to talk to the land owners you start to find out that maybe properties have uh restrictions that make it make the
purchase more uh complicated than initially um we knew but all of this just lays out a process by which we can prioritize and so having these three groups allows us to simultaneously pursue the tier one we may come back in
who knows 45 days and say look more than a third of the properties are really not eligible for purchase and then we could adjust or amend our recommendation and the elap can adjust their recommendation to go ahead and pursue tier two oh I see
okay so there there's no real timeline in mind then it could go quickly it could stretch out um okay all right thank you Mr chairman anything else yes sir uh Commissioners I would uh tell you
that this was an experience uh it was a great experience it was one of the most U difficult things I think for every member as educated as some of our members
were uh and I would uh give you each credit for each picking good members on this board and the ones we did at large were good they were all very educated very to the point asked great questions of staff and and worked very well but I think if you ask any of them even
probably some of our our ones that have that have done this before such as I we have one member that that's in the business of purchasing lands for insurance company he would tell you it was very difficult to do this but in the end they came out on on the on the right
side I believe of of of where they did I even did my personal rankings that were just for my own that that I talked to Wendy about or something just compared them to what we had because I was just there as the liaison so mine wasn't there and and and I was pretty close in
my rankings of what they did there were some that were that were different you know that higher up than the middle maybe higher up at the top or lower but U but it was definitely uh a task that was very uh even I would say even Dawning at times I think they would
agree but they've got all the hard work to do and as you know that is the dynamic duo right there if it can't if it if it can't happen it you know if it can't be done it can't happen they have done the the the the the uh Yan's part
of this with regards to how much work has been done and our work is still not over again we're asking you today to look at and you know give them permission based on the rankings to start finding more out about the property which is one of the key components which is the financial
component of it you know can we make a deal can we buy it at the right price or we get the best bank for a buck and can we leverage it with additional funds if those funds are available out there the state federal or whatever land trust or whatever funding may be so the job is
still very in its infant stages of this and I think for over this next few months or so over the at least within 2025 I think we have a lot of work ahead of us and uh I would remind y all that we're are looking at you know spending
up to $50 million of the taxpayers money hopefully again we can leverage that money money to 76 more million or whatever the what y'all did before you know over the 100 million range possibly I think that's the key but I I just
wanted to say that that uh as your as a representative of this board to this to this group it was my honor to do it and uh the work is still not finished yet there's a long way ahead of us but you can be proud of of your nominees that
you placed on the committee and the and the at Lar members of the of the of the great job that they did again it wasn't an easy job but and we'll see where we go with reference to any other properties that have been nominated in the future and move up with an error but
but again you know Beth Wendy and their staff the they and I would say even I forgot we don't want to forget the gis folks that did a that did a tremendous amount of work on this to make that Hub a reality and where it is and the consultant obviously pay them but they
they when you look at your information in your book that they compiled it's very uh it's it's very good and very to the point is as to what you need to see but um it it's U it's working well right now I'm very happy to report to youall
all that this has worked well and that we're moving forward with this I look forward to see what we nominate what we look to purchase in the next you know within this next year within the next months but that Mr chairman I'm done but I thank you m Amman um uh you know you know I'm just compelled uh
to uh look at one of the statements you made that was uh it was complimentary to this board on who we select on the committee it's their work but more importantly I'm grateful that none of them were on the endangered species
list you see you know some of the discussion on committees where we said that people have been there too long some of those individuals have been there quite some time and I'm grateful that they were there because I think they did an
awesome job in selection they did and just imagine for a moment if they were plucked out by the endangered species list of they've been there appointed just too long that we might not have had such a
positive favorable outcome utilizing their expertise their knowledge their skills their abilities and their willingness to explore and be open-minded as to what would they were
confronted with and to absorb every opportunity I have to say I want to thank them for their longstanding institutional knowledge because I think it made a difference here brought it to the heart
that's what I wanted to just touch baseball coming up with a different item soon thank you Mr chair I I also Echo what commissioner man said I do want to remind folks that not only did commissioner man volunteer dove into
this but that was also a time when he was a chair so he has a lot of responsibility on his hands at the time and probably uh the most knowledgeable of every square mile of this County would be commissioner her so I appreciate that couple of the with the
experience uh that Beth and Wendy have from prior elap committees which is huge uh and double down on the amount of meetings that they had yes and you know it's refreshing to see Parcels throughout the county not one particular
region of the county and I think we're well represented in that uh and of course it dovetails right into our uh environmentally sensitive discussion that we had earlier I thank you for that adamon no I think everybody's covered it
I appreciate it I appreciate my very detailed notebook um and I'm happy to see this moving forward thank you well this time if there's nothing further from the
board to open up public hearing two microphones please state your name for the record that's for Madam CL thank you Mr chairman George Glenn Jr office 2165 15th Avenue bu Beach Florida um just
wanted to uh provide a couple of comments I've been um very interested and have followed the environmental programs of the county since I was a teenager I grew up in Indian River County and uh when I came back to the county after I graduated under Brad I uh was on the uh
code enforcement board as a young 22-year-old and uh even had an opportunity here to work at the County uh as a young legal attorney so um I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you all uh this is a program that's near and dear to my heart um I'm glad that
it's uh received the care that I think it deserves just a couple comments uh I absolutely believe that if this program is going to be successful it means we obtain significant Grant matching funds whether that's from uh the State of
Florida the federal government a Water Management District a private local uh entity that's willing to put up money uh that's absolutely important and I don't know until you get into the process
um historically the State of Florida had a program called Florida communities trust I always I'll just refer to it as fct uh fct has been around since the 90s it was funded historically at between 60 and $66 million a year uh back when the
county was running their 92 and 04 Bond programs how I remember it and if I'm wrong please correct me uh the Department of Community Affairs uh administered the program uh you were given certain level of points if you had things in your comp
plan and which the county did and so the county always felt very confident that they could go out purchase a piece of property and receive a substantial matching Grant from the fct program and I think most often it did actually receive that Grant U that program is now
funded at a level that's in the 10 to 15 million range so it's it's less than a quarter than what it had received historically and there was stiff competition there's I think at last count almost 22 counties in Florida that now have a conservation program uh to
protect land and so whereas before you know I believe that the county sort of had a uh plan of we buy the property we submit it after the fact we get a reimbursement Grant uh I don't think that's going to work anymore I think you've got to be much more proactive
before you make the purchase I think you want to know uh to the greatest extent that you can are we going to get matching funds either from fct the wildlife Corridor Florida forever a Water Management District so I think it's important to have that conversation
before it's brought to the board before the board authorizes its purchase is to be more proactive than reactive when it comes to looking for that matching Grant um the sellers that are willing to uh potentially make a deal I mean that's
sort of hard because you don't know until you get to the negotiation process and it's at the very end uh I would say one thing you know if I had to have one criticism of the' 04 Bond it seemed to me that the county would get two
appraisals and the Commissioners would almost take a sort of oh it would be disrespectful if we asked the land owner to you know reduce the offer price by 10% or something and I I would I would hope that maybe you all would take a different approach that you would look
at the appraisal as a tool But realize you know it shouldn't be the end all be all you know I I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at asking does the appraisal make sense uh and if you if it does you know is an opportunity to get some type of discount from the property owner if they're willing to uh move forward with its um
conservation I look at the properties on the list and there's some really incredible amazing properties the one you mentioned as number one is uh yeah that's I know you told me the story of visiting the property right next door and uh and and it is beautiful and it
should probably be number one and I know for a while I believe that uh that property was actually on the for D list and D has some money there potentially for so hopefully that money still might be there so there's a lot of things that I think have to happen on the front end rather than the back end this time uh
but you know again I would like to see a process where when they bring It Forward it's not necessarily hey we got two appraisals they've agree to you the average of the appraisal or whatever uh so just accept it and sign off on it I'm hoping you all will take a little bit more like ah does the appraisals make
sense do we want to ask you know for some type of maybe potentially um discount on the property uh I love the questions on the wetlands I really love the response that your staff gave I think that's really accurate there's significant protection
for Wetlands I my interpretation no uh net loss is not that you can't develop on a wetland it's that you have to mitigate by buying credits in the mitigation Bank um so but even with that I think I gave an example in a letter that I submitted to the county where
there was a the Anson third what I call the Anson 3500 I don't know if you all are familiar with that property it sits on the southwest corner of 95 and 512 and if you were to ever pull up the um the St John's River Water Management
District um permit for that property they required I mean if you look at it it's the wetlands have been set aside the district wasn't going to allow them to develop the wetlands on that property so the developments limited to the Uplands area so I know you have quite a few properties on this list that is that
are mostly Wetlands IDE when you get the appraisals the appraisals are going to reflect that but I don't think that's always the case uh so that's what I would just also say is that if something's probably not going to have a high chance of development hopefully that's reflected in the appraisals and if it's not hopefully that's reflected
in how you choose to move forward not saying that you shouldn't move forward but maybe it's you know we want to make sure we're not overpaying for something that would already be protected if it were ever to go through a development process um you know I I agree with what commissioner Erman said he did his own
rankings of the properties and he came out with a little different I did the same thing I came out with a not mostly the same but some differences I will say this uh I've always you know tried to study up on conservation easements um I think they're best utilized when
you're broadening out an existing Corridor uh so you have some easements on this in fact most of the easements I believe one two three four of the easements are adjacent to the pageant branches where other existing easements uh I think to me that's more valuable than when you have sort of random
properties that are going to be subject to an easement especially if there's a property that has a huge slew that goes through it because I just don't see any scenario where St John's is ever going to say oh yeah you know we'll we'll let you develop that slw uh it's and it's a beautiful property and those all the properties for easement based I think
are really fine and uh at one point I think the properties that were suggested for uh conservation North of 60 was a was a corridor and I think some of those properties got hold off and so what was left I think were sort of this two uh disconnected properties but they're all fantastic they're all worthy of
protection um but again uh as you're going through this process if you know be more proactive than reactive ask your staff to be proactive on where the grants are going to come from before you make the decision purchase not after and and again when you get these appraisals
in uh you know it's a tool you know this is legislative it's not like it's a piece of property that you have to buy for Road and you don't have a lot of options um you know just just ask if it makes sense and and and get the best deal you can for the taxpayer because this would be successful if we can get I
think you said if we get 7 if we get another 26 $30 million in matching grants so that we spend $80 million or we get $80 million worth a property uh I think this would be a really successful Bond so thank you counselor yes sir thank you for your input thank you you
make some very valuable points and uh you were around for the last Go Round And I I I want you to know that uh I I I appreciate your passion in in this Arena uh I I just want to say that you've
dealt with these two okay I've dealt with all of them I think yeah well but today uh this board will be taking action on moving forward for the opportunity to
negotiate negotiate and I I think that's the the the key word here uh I I think in years past um in in the last go around you're absolutely right uh there's uh we have 20 million and here
is okay the these five fit not this day okay there will be discussion and also with the uh as far as the property rights Arena the second cut um you know
uh there's also agreements as far as opportunities that I'm sure will come out as far as Community contact Community availability visitation or any future use other than
Building Homes uh there is some talk in in that Arena as well so I I think I want to entrust the uh the decision making to get where we're at because again I admitted I've been to a quite a
few of these properties for other reasons but not all of them but after talking with staff as we all did and having to deal with I this is definitely high value item uh we'd have
to report that to the E ethics commission if there was a dollar amount placed to it there was a lot of background and dedicated information here that uh I did take the time to look at I would say that the uh my my ranking
would be the same as you said and commission Airman um who had the opportunity to be in the room at all times uh my ranking would be extremely close to this I I don't know how I would
after the differentiate when we're going into the into the into from the green to the blue to the pink that would have been a difficult one to say we may not get there that may be a pathway not traveled but I'm very excited about all
of the first opportunities but I I appreciate your input too it's always great to get additional funding at all cost because I don't know when we're going to be able to ask the citizens again were ready to
do another bond this one was a tough one it came a time when there was other economic challenges as passionate I am about the properties I wasn't too keen on committing the bond at first but I'm
glad we did thank you so much commissioner and you know is a tough time who who knew the impact that Co would C uh cause from everything coming to a standstill to all of a sudden Florida is now the you know most uh moved to state in the country
and so um I thank you for your leadership and I think for all the all the board members who voted to move the bond forward as well um again I think we can do some really good things we did some good things at 04 we did a lot of great things with 92 and so uh let's hopefully this is going to be remembered
as being a fantastic program that accomplished a lot thank you for your general overview as well thank you so much y all thank you is there anyone there's two microphones que up
and I draw one out thank you hi I'm Mark Baker uh Rick Baker realy I'm an agent for one of the properties in tier one I have a client that asked me a few questions that I can't answer what do we do now what's
the process uh I'd like you know to be able to call him up this afternoon and and let him know here's what we're going to do and here's act one act two act three and uh if you could address that I would
appreciate it thank you that is an administrative question today uh we will be uh approving or giving staff the green light to go ahead to go with tier one at that point they will begin the
process and no notifying and it is going to be uh it's it's not a one-day task so I mean if they want to articulate of their their expectations but I believe if you're in
tier one and this is any positive impact today that you'll be hearing real soon okay thank you okay yeah anyone else having given
fair and equal opportunity to speak we'll now close the public hearing Commissioners chairman yes if I could I'd like to U make the motion as follows with this that uh the board of
County Commissioners approve the attached elap final ranking and tiered list of nominations and that requests and the board further requests for staff to pursue the tier one rank Properties or
acquisition consistent with the environmental lands acquisition panel recommendation including the authority to make conditionals offers of purchase and sales subject to the approval by the board of County Commissioners in
accordance with Florida statute 12535 five and then that I will also say for staff to do what is just not part of the motion but I would also like staff to make sure that like as George put it
very well to use the U find out what money is are out there what's available to to make these purchases whatever the purchases may be to make them more affordable more enticing and get the better bang for our buck second so that would
be the motion part the rest as well too rest is just very good we're out there getting the best thank George cuz it sure is but knowing these two they'll do that so we have a motion by commission
ER second up by myself do we have any further discussion want a clarification staff is very adapt at knowing the strength of the applications but they will not know the results of the applications at the time that we're negotiating the price for purchase and
sale so I I trust they can evaluate potential strength of the cost sharing opportunities but they will not know right just want to be clear that that's not going to be a these two know they know the strength they do they're very
good at knowing potential outcome but it's an application so just want to be clear and assessment evaluation negotiation thank you see no further discussion all in
favor uh opposed motion carried unanimously you know we could we we could take a five minute break to go into the next one e e
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up is good no no we're not doing that first no no we're doing we're doing next item meeting will now be called back to order crowd is thed out quite a bit but uh very important Mission has to be made and that's the county attorney's matters
and that's item 14a which is the 2025 committee vacancies and appointments and we have a staff report and we have counselor and uh we can begin the process I just wanted to ask uh or make
a statement uh during the last go round we talked about a lot of things but no votes were taken place as far as uh if I stand corrected as far as um the at
large positions we held them aside is that correct no you did make some appointments but there were a couple at large positions that you held aside yeah that's what it say yeah there are some
the ones that are in front of you today are at large we except for I think maybe a and there were statements made about ity as far as time and Service uh for the great volunteers that are committed
to the Committees uh but we did not give staff any directive on on that correct as far as eliminating calling the herd um we we brought back a couple of them to you but we didn't take you didn't
take any action or give us dire take any action that's what we're doing today right that's on these on these appointments that's correct and uh as far as uh all the appointments we have ample appointments uh with the
exception of one because we have no applicants in that Arena right correct yes we've identified where you have no applicants okay but I just want to shout out again to Doc for doing a tremendous amount of
work in getting this all together has not been easy but all the cats are heard it now uh as best we can make them so we turn it over to counselor okay thank you um so yes um
the board has reappointed some incumbent committee members but uh left other at large positions to come back to you today um and I'm going to kind of go through the um pending applicants to these committee
vacancies um the first one is your affordable housing advisory committee now there's one vacancy on that committee we and it's a citizen who is actively engaged as an advocate for low-income persons in connection with affordable housing and Christina uh
really waited through a number of applicants that you had to find the ones who submitted resumés indicating an interest and and a commitment to advocating for low-income persons so you
have these two candidates um that have applied for that particular slot Wendy McDaniel Vel and Desiree Samuels Schulz and are we ask are you going to ask us
at this point like if we want to recommend somebody now it's time to Hash it out that that's what I thought we could go committee by committee and we need to do them individually because there are some constraints I see some notes Here um that uh are included that uh as far
as uh for Wendy McDaniel of Vel uh she is currently a seesac grants subcommittee member um and I I I understand that's why I brought up the precursor to this was we had a general
discussion about being on two committees or more and that we wanted to that was one of the Commissioners had said we would like to drive for having individuals on a committee and that the
committee they should not be serving another committee I believe that was the intent of the process in addition there was uh another comment made that uh well uh at large positions uh should have a
term limit and the at large positions there are some that have served served admirably for a lengthy period of time as an at large position and I believe it's appropriate to consider them as
well and not um and and then set a term limit for at LGE I I want you to know that it already exists it's the will of the board to pull any member from the committee for any
reason uh it's not just the design knes that we have it's not just our uh our individual appointments to a committee however that committee was designed we could take have someone
removed from a committee or added to a committee at any time other than this annual event correct correct you always have the power to add and remove they they work at the the will of the pleasure of the board for the will
of the people they do and I'm kind of glad that you brought up the whole more than one position um as far as on a committee or a board because in our last weekly update to you we did give you a dual office holding memo to understand
the legal issues that um one person can't serve on more than one regulatory board and we tried to um describe the difference between that and advisory boards where legally you could have more but you could choose to only have you
could choose to limit people so I when we looked at these applicants I we actually did talk with and remove some people who wanted to be on more than one regulatory board because that would be prohibited by law
right okay well the the Wendy Vel she she's already on a the seesack grants subcommittee and in addition she has applied for uh many uh
positions anything that could be filled so right so you have a two candidates here and yes that's correct one of them sits on a a subcommittee Mr chairman yes maybe I can talk about something and maybe it we
can it it'll help it'll help us to decide this and so F first of all yes you you mentioned just minute ago about a commissioner talked about you know term limits times two dual committees
obviously that that was me that was me I still feel that that that no matter what committee they're on whether it's defined by state statutes or whether it's defined by us that you should only serve on one committee period that that
should be that should be at one committee period you should have a term limit whether you're at large or not you should still have a term limit I'll start with eight years I think you still still have a term limit yes we can remove anybody anytime
we want if we have to but you have a term limit for eight years and you can go to another committee at the end of eight years and and and come back if you want to in four years orever how we want to set it I think we ought to have an attendance policy if you miss more than
like say you have monthly meetings you're missing three or four meetings a year I would I would suggest that we that we that we that we have an attendance policy I think it should be re reviewed and have to be done by us all these committees every year because
some of them had o have odd year term limits some of them have have evene term limits unless we change that but right now we're currently under audit somebody some of them have an audit even but it ought to be done before the end of January at the beginning of the new year
that we that we that we make sure all these committees are are staffed and and they're the positions are filled and and they're done um so that so that's that's where I'm at like I mean I don't know either one of
these nominees and commissioner it's commissioner Adams I know she's she's involved with this committee I'm sure that that we need McDaniel Bell is a good but I don't know if we want to and I guess I counselor I need to ask you now is that something we can put regulations on now or is this something
that that I'll be glad to bring it back to the board at the next meeting or so as as the term limits right the things I already mentioned do we want to right so those are things would make it easier for you well we yeah those would be things that you'd have to do by
ordinance because they you have code Provisions that apply to your uh board members now that we'd have to bring some code changes to you so what I would recommend is that if you have these feelings now that you let them guide you in your decision making today and that
the board give me direction to bring back some code changes to you let's say for instance we uh let me give you an example let's say right now we put Wendy McDaniel Bell on on the affordable housing committee Advisory
board if if I come back with what I've just discussed a few minutes ago and we decide that it's the way we want to go in some Fashion After whatever we decide that she can only serve on one committee would it be fair then to ask
that person which committee do you want to serve on make your decision which one you want to serve on and then at the next meeting when you bring it up we can fill whatever committee spot she left or chose not to do is that would that be
proper or if the board changes the code to make that a law for the county then yes that's what we would need to do and if it was prospective um or what could happen is if you didn't want to make it like
retroactive that's what I meant to say retroactive you could you'd have to clarify I think in the code uh amendment that you adopted whether you wanted to make people currently serving more than to resign or when that vacancy comes up
that they couldn't reapply and they could only something we could talk about we can talk about that there's details to discuss the table as to where we want that's all just as a point I'm not I'm not for favor of doing what I discussed
today I would be glad if the board would so like to bring it to bring it back and then we could go from there well again you you make an interesting point but just the same way as all of us are not up for reelection at the same time so
that you have continuity of service and you you can perform that was done with all the committees as well so that this way that it perhaps maybe the committee is working on a specific Mission I'll give you a perfect example well some of
them have term limits that are on on odd years those wouldn't be touched yes so I I mean there's a way I'll give an example of the committee which you you're you're assigned to uh which is Beach and Shores sometimes that process is going
on for two and three years if you did not have if you had term limits and then you also had a breakdown where we have odd and even assignments then perhaps maybe the process would be
interrupted by the input as you point pointed out earlier about the the great work that the elap did if that was intact now right in the middle of this we would have had a scenario where there would be people on the board that did
not decide in that in in that direction and did not evaluate in that direction we'd be using the information that they developed but yet they're not there Mr chairman I would could debate that with you further that none of us are
irreplaceable no I I no I I I agree with that but we actually discussed the vulnerability and I saw a couple of names that are no longer with us understand what you're saying so now their input is still valuable right uh I
I I think when you have a committee that's sending something to us that you want to have the consistency of the existing I guess we got to tell them got to finish this all up before you're all out Mr Mr chair just as a point of order um
I'm happy at the end of this to go back to some of those questions to get some general direction from the board but at if we could just move through this right now or Mission Adams had a I do and an effort to kind of move us forward and
since ahck is the first one and it's my committee um I would like to nominate Wendy McDaniel Vel she actually comes to all of our meetings and participates as a as a
public member of the public um her work with um up puts her in that category that is missing citizen who was actively engaged as an advocate for low-income persons in connection with affordable housing and we are going to be doing a
lot of work this year so I want to make sure we have we're able to meet Quorum and have a good vibrant committee so I would make that nomination for aack I I I admire um the nomination um I I will say that it does
denote that she's on another committee uh so I don't know if that's consistent with the board or the board's thoughts process but let's see how it goes so I'll second that motion and I'll just throw out in this particular case she is a member of the seesac grant
subcommittee so she's not a member of the main committee if if she was I think maybe that would be a different different conversation um but the Grant subcommittee I feel like there's like 700 layers there so we should be
safe Mr chair it appears that so if we're going to uh set this policy that whether on a committee however significant it is you can also be on another committee
so by carrying commission motion commissioner Adams motion forward we now are setting precedent that you can be on more than one committee albe it it's a subcommittee I understand what you're saying whether it's a subcommittee or
the actual committee but I think at this point we don't have a policy we don't have a policy in place so so I don't feel like we can make a decision just like I don't feel like we can make a decision about term limits or any of that stuff today if we don't have that
policy in place because we'd be counter to our own policy so we could do one or two things we can hold off on these and then have a discussion on those policies so we're putting people on under the guise of all new policies or we can try
to plug the holes that we have right now and then change the policy and that applies moving forward I just I I don't want to be labor this but I don't I can't make a decision trying to anticipate what everybody's going to have a conversation about when I haven't
even seen the policy as proposed Mr chairman I'll be glad to bring it back to the board as I said earlier but I would agree with you commissioner Adams I think we need to fill these holes now but I'll be glad to bring it back if y'all would like I'll be glad to bring it back
fill these holes now and the policy changes that we're unwinding some of these holes that we just filled that's correct we we can hold off on it going back and there may be some folks that get appointed that will be appointed for a three Monon period or
two weeks or two weeks well the way we left it at the last meeting I'm sorry I'm eating lunch the way we left it at the last meeting is anybody that we held off on or didn't renew would still continue to serve until we put somebody
else in their place so none of our committees truly except for um you know in this case for ahck that member resigned the member that used to fill this hole corre now if we hold it open
perhaps we'll get some more applicants I'm just saying if you guys want to work out the policy I'm totally fine with that and we can just add that discussion to next meeting hash it out and then bring these back because nobody's technically been kicked off yet
they've just not been re approved correct right they serve until their successor is appointed that's correct so there's there's that as well there you Mr chair there's there's
additional questions not only policy questions but well policy questions for example I think commissioner brought up term limits so now we would have to go and apply term limits when do they start do they finish
this term is it 8 or whatever he said after our decision to renew somebody I mean there's there's a lot of questions that unfortunately if we don't get it right the first time with the right policies procedures then we're unwinding
potentially unwinding some appointments I I believe that's the case which we're going forward going by uh Sentiments of some commission is but not a regul regul regulation or a design
going forward I understand from counselor that any adjustment of the ordinance will reset the clock as far as the appointment then if that's the case if
if that one of the let's say hypothetically if we come back and say you can't serve on two boards well that's got to be changed immediately but if you can't serve on two boards uh or you've you've served a
long period of time and as an at large person or Committee Member that's another one that would reset at that time correct um we don't we don't Grant we don't
expose facto the right you'd have to explicitly within your code change say that it had retroactive application in order to make people have to resign otherwise what would happen is when they came up for a reappointment then that
law would apply prospectively that did that make sense term yeah when their term came up then it would apply but it would make everybody just have to resign that we're in more than one unless you put in that
ordinance change that people this would apply to sitting members and so we had someone that was serving on three or more boards and they're now longer on the
eligibility list so did we tedly apply it on the will of one no no you're saying everybody that suppli replied that legally you can consider legally meaning that I had that
we did have one person that we took off because she wanted to be on more than one regulatory board and that's not legally permitted will you define what a regulatory board is okay so um for purposes of the Dual office holding prohibition which is a
constitutional um issue you it basically says you can't hold more than one office and that would be a county commissioner and or and a city council member at the same time and let and with respect to your boards and committees it applies to
those boards and committees that have ultimate decision-making power to affect people's rights it's called a sovereign power but it's it's your Planning and Zoning commission that makes directly makes uh a decisions on people's
property rights it's your like code enforcement board that deter what penalties and violations exist it's your Environmental Health Board again that has this power that um is delegated to them as opposed to an Advisory Board
where you can have you can sit on more than one um because that really they're not making the ultimate decision they're advising you and giving you a recommendation that you don't have to take I hope that I know it's a little bit so you can only serve on one of pnz
Code Enforcement environmental control board and code code and code right and councelor those are also governed by Sunshine those three excuse me those three are also governed by sunshin it's
a regulatory yes they're well they're all governed by sunshine when they come into office and out of office as well yes they file a form one they have to file the form one when Comm because of the type of comme they are
on they have to file a form one exactly they simply have more they simply have more power they've been delegated to power for instance if you if your code board makes a decision and someone wants to appeal it the appeal doesn't come to you um it goes to the circuit court
because they have power that's been delegated to them like that that's why the Dual office holds because they could put themselves in a position where they would be testified in front of the circuit uh if one of their local decisions was contested
right because they have this ultimate decision-making power that you've not given to your advisory boards right and that could conflict with another board Andor their job if they had a particular job so there that's why you would have the H having said that in my opinion
even if it's not a legal um impediment you have given significant if um decision making power to your advisory boards too even though you can overrule it but the fact that your um you know elap or um some of these other advisory
committees are are are taking U sitting there and listening to applications and then turning it into a list that they forward to you that's an important part in your decision-making process so even if it's not a legal impediment I do think it's still a very important role
that has significant power yes in other words just think of a a particular board that could make a decision that would be and I don't even know it's word appealable uh to the Circuit now your
advisory boards no but your regulatory boards yes exactly H the sunshine and the form one the construction advisory or that is that is another regulatory appeals to us well depends on what the issue is so can we can we had to have
this conversation oh I know I totally agree we had to have this conversation but I just want to know like where do you guys stand on it do you want them to stand be on more than one board or not on more than one board I you know
Commissioners Mr chairman Years glad it has been difficult I'd be glad to bring it back to y'all in some sort of fashion I'll work with the county attorney and we can pass I just want a general consensus to do I'm not asking for specifics just like what's the general
consensus so we can deal with I just want to know how you want to move forward today I don't care look look you know we have to be responsive to the the the needs of the community we have to be responsive to the availability of people that are willing to volunteer for the
Committees uh the the well defined uh members that want to volunteer for committee and to be committed for the greater good of of the people of Indie River County that's why many of the Committees we have our own
appointees uh to uh to be on that board bless be on the board as well as the at large positions I just have a great challenge when someone when people are doing a good job
and it was so difficult in the past to to get people to be committed for that mission to be on a board uh unpaid by the way and to uh gear their life towards the greater good of the committee and then suddenly well they've
been here on too long let's look at the merits let's look at what they've done and if you could find fault we always have the option to remove at any
time I just think that it's very dis ingenuous it's kind of like the the the person who's committed their career and suddenly while you you're too old wow how dare us or you're you've
been here a long time okay not based upon what has been happening for the greater good of the individuals I just find it very unfair and uncomplimentary and maybe that's why a lot of people don't volunteer here
when they say you know I I could remove you at any time or you know at the will uh I can't say that I have not changed made some changes in my appointments and they were in in pnz or uh they were in
code and uh I I've done that over the years I think we all all had the opportunity to make a change and every time that their uh term comes up you always have the time but uh I I just think just the factor on what you've
been here a long time is doing a job and they're doing it well and they're committed uh if if they show up like you said you're big on attendance yeah we've always had that ability you misre meetings you have the ability to be uh
removed okay that's not an a just not an atwi decision uh we could impose that at any time you're missing meetings um unfortunately I had uh we had a a member was somebody else's appointee that they
were battling a a a life experience that none of us want to deal with so they could not be at the meetings because they were treatment days and uh that person was carried on for quite some time we've always made a a quorum in
that area so everybody was okay with it ultimately the person won uh their uh their life mission and was able to return back to duty and be on that committee and then ultimately a short time later they said
all right it's back and I'm gone so again we have to be understanding that these are voluntary positions that there's no the reward in itself is doing the greater good for the people and it's a
reflection on us so so when we appoint somebody uh with we we're carrying our thought process not that we converse I I I don't talk to my my appointees okay
the appointees are there to do work uh I hope everyone does the same thing because it has to be independent uh but uh again when you're selecting someone you're selecting someone for their character and their cont content and
their ability to work and express and contribute not gee been here a long time out I I I just find that very disingenuous and en listings go stale
but then that would be a performance matter and that would be another issue and again we have the ability to remove at any time so I don't understand the big discussion because can I respond sir yes sir okay well well first of
all at large members are not appointed by a single commissioner as you know it's all of us it's appointed by all of us so if you have a favorite appointee or something that's an atlarge member he might be a good person but
maybe the other four Commissioners don't agree with you that's up to the board as a whole we're not talking about your district one two three four or or five Commissioners that that that is getting that get that's getting appointed you said it was difficult in the past to get
members I'm sure it was I know it was I you know I used to keep up with that and stuff many even many years ago but now we have access to Internet we have access to emails we have access to a lot of things we advertise this list from I
think December up until now and we got a lot abundance not all of them are qualified maybe but you know at least people stepped up to the plate and volunteer so I would tell you that that that people are willing to volunteer so it's not as difficult as it
was in the past the fact that somebody has been on the board to me more than probably 8 to 12 years in my opinion is on a voluntary basis on a thing is is it's just time for us to
look at if they're an at llarge member and and and say look it's time for somebody else to step in a due point we need another we need another vantage point you know that trend is happening it's not happening in DC which it probably needs to but it's happening in
the State of Florida the governor's term limit the representatives and senators are term limit they're even talking about now taking County Commissioners and school board members and limiting their term limits for the reason do that you don't get so entrenched in any level
be at a committee level or the national level or the state level because National again is not doing it except for the president as you know that that we need to look at it I think I think and again I want to belabor this because I don't want to continue this discussion I think we need
to fill based on the criteria we have right now fill what we have and do what we need to do but I don't think it's disingenuous to say that because there are people are at large members of what we're talking talking about commissioner Adams Put It Forward herself two
meetings ago that basically if you're an atlarge member we didn't pay attention to you and you were there for life so I will disagree with you on the atlarge member I think whoever you appoint from district one sir is your appointment and
you have that luxury to keep them there as long as you want District Two I'm sorry for keep them there as long as you want so I think uh I think we need to get over the adage that an atlarge member you're there for Life we've got some atlarge members that have been there 15 years that's too long my point
was that we have not put that in an ordinance we have not put that in a regulation so we can't operate under that radar of the term limit I understand you
want to get into term limits oh I'm here 19 years I've already had a lot of term limits I had term limits because every four years I asked the voters am I doing a good job and you that's what's important that's that's a term limit
that'll limit because the voters will limit your terms but as far as let's get back to the the the Senate and and and the house they already have term limits right you know what that's real awful because a a representative after two
terms then runs for Senate and is Senate and that's 6 years so then they go for another 6 years that's 12 years so what they're talking about is really they already have it our discussion is over the atlarge members
that's what you our discussion I understand it but you just went in elevated to the Senate and the state's doing it you have to be realistic and give accurate information they already have it and you know yourself that
Representatives become Senators then back to they then they become Senators again then they'll go back to County Commission that it achieves nothing other than disorientation and a learning curve once again but it happens every
day so I don't even know what the big talk about it is so with that in mind let's go back we have a a motion in a second on the table uh as far as this one item if everybody's clear that we don't have to be distracted from any and
all of the individual thoughts um I call the question Mr chair again I'm going to reiterate if you do that no matter if it's a subcommittee they're still serving two different separate distinct
parties so we're splitting hairs now if if you're going to call this subcommittee of CAC but he's not actually the CAC he still representing a particular body that differs from the body that he or she's putting in for and that uh completely different body by the
way and if they're in the grant subcommittee then their information will go to the committee that committee will move forward a strong recommendation that goes to this commission correct they're still on two
committees they're they're on the commit they are on the committee and I I would I would say that that's the case um that's why I brought it up but then in order to fulfill that position not that it
matters someone said they have no experience I mean did you did you read that part okay has a desire to advocate for low-income persons but doesn't demonstrate any experience so now we're at another
juncture do you want to point somebody that is uh qualified with experience and knowledge and the capacity or do you want to appoint someone that wants to fill a slot that because they're fortunate
enough not to be on another committee so they're more favored wow you you see what the per number it it brings that's not the policy right now the policy is what but it's being well discussed and this whole track is
being engineered in that fashion I just said I would bring it up if y'all don't want me to bring it up I won't bring it I won't bring it up at the the next meeting I was going to come up with a a policy later on but not today okay so today no rules apply and
we have a motion and a second so we're going to just vote on one individual and if there's been a motion made for yes I move ahead question's been called I I'll tell you
when the question gets called someone already said it I didn't say it someone else already said yeah but I'm the chairman okay s down parliamentary procedure what are you talking about the question is called you
vote I'll ask our Council when the question is called you're out of order is that correct you're out of order just a point for clarification I'd be happy to thank you another time if you want to change the rules when you sit in the sit in the
center you change the rules okay but until then it's now time to call the question all in favor opposed motion carried unanimously thank you Council we're going to move on to
the agricultural advisory committee but we have no no qualified applicants that's correct so we're just going to leave that position vacant next item is Beach and Shores preservation advisory committee I nominate Michael
Carper Mr chairman who's been here the entire time I've got I've got two that's my committee I've got that's not a rule I've got two positions on that committee that I'm that the that Michael Soul resigned from and and D David Morgan and
U I have talked to all these applicants and um I would like to recommend Michael corar and James power Mike is a John's Island uh director of Maintenance and management and he was
very instrumental in helping us get the sector 4 project along with getting the applications and easements and stuff uh he's he's always been all the meetings long before we even talked about sector 4 so he'd be a great uh great person and
Mr power is a born and raised here in in River County went to Texas as an engineer for many years and back and he's expressed uh great uh pleasure in trying to help out and and from an engineer standpoint so those those are
my two recommendations I don't mean to take away for commissioner Moss well that's fine if you're making a motion I'll second it is he nominating one at time sure uh yes we need to nominate one at a time so um if the the maker of the
second will withdraw and allow the maker to make a motion for a single member so we can fill the slots appropriately it would be greatly appreciated that would be procedural M chairman maker of the
second she nominated Mr copar I right I can hear okay you withdraw your nomination at this time um no I I stand by my nomination I guess no you understand no we have to delaminate that nomination so that we
can do singularly well I individuals we nominated two individuals so we need to nominate only one individual right that's what I did I nominated Michael corber no you did not you seconded his
nomination that was for two individuals for that beach insures committee that was your second asked start oh okay oh fine yes no I asked him if he was making a motion I
wasn't sure I said if he was making a motion so the recess wasn't long enough we can withdraw that all right and uh now and you withdraw your motion right nominating Mr C yes
yes will once wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute the motion is withdrawn which I hear is what you're doing correct wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute yeah all right she withdrew her second okay I have a nomination your second the second was for your nomination okay for two individuals okay do you want to do let's
do one at a time good okay so you with Drew your original Nom nomination now let's go with your singular member nomination okay with respect to the chair I I agree with you
completely on that I will nominate Mr copar to fill one of the vacant States uh do I hear a second second we have a motion and a second for Mr copar to be on the beach and Shores any
further discussion any other nominations we will continue all in favor oppose motion carried unanimously congratulations to Michael
copor we now have a second opening uh for the vacancies uh for the BCC appointee at lodge position nomin James Z power second we have a motion and a second
are there any other nominations are there any further discussion all in favor I opposed motion carried unanimously next item is the Children's Services advisory committee Mr chair
there is one vacancy for the member at large and may may I just state that today I was informed that two of these individuals have withdrawn their name from consideration one is Brooke Hall and one is Janet
sofield and thank you I would like to nominate Jan Williams second we have a nomination for Jan Williams are there any other nominations hearing none any further discussion all in
favor I opposed motion carried unanimously congratulations to Jan Williams The Economic Development Council EDC there are two vacancies members at Large
we have Todd howder which is he is currently a member Lolita jeny Lance lford Vincent Sabia and Carl Zimmerman
who has been he's currently a member as well both of those members have been members since uh Todd howder and call Zimmerman have been members since 2013 I nominate Lance Lunsford for which
position for a member at large there's there's two of them so which position they're just both member at larges aren't they're both members at large right right but if okay well not hearing a second I
was I was wanted to have I had I'm the one that had suggested that we not reappoint them at the last meeting which wasn't necessarily to indicate oh I see so which I got it okay that makes sense
that's what I was trying so I I had asked that we just hold them over to have a discussion not that they weren't necessarily appropriate for reappointment um since we're going through the economic development study
and we're seeking input from different areas in the interim I and I have had some concerns with some of the Committees I sit on not specifically this one but some this one is one of them about attendance so I just wanted
to let everybody know that I did pull the attendance on EDC and both Mr howder and Mr Zimmerman have almost perfect attendance which I cannot say for some of the other members on our committee so for what
that is worth so Mr chair so I I had a motion but not a second so that motion dies thank you so the question is with howder and Zimmerman not withstanding any discussion of ter
limits which may come back before us am I hearing that these two are ineligible to become candidates no I don't think so I had just asked to stay that decision on those two particular ones
because they were at large positions that had been there for um quite some time but I don't feel that they're ineligible in fact I believe at the the last meeting counselor indicated that they would be happy to continue to serve right they are eligible what you did
last meeting was just simply hold them over for consideration because you had other applicants correct that had applied because your initial direction to us was to go try to get more interest
which we did well um commissioner hearing your your thought process because I know we are deep in a process and that brings up what I had said about that term whole term limit policy uh that has not been discussed approved or
in ordinance uh what happens there is that we we are at a loss if we take the individuals out so rather than hold them
hold it over to continue the process I believe that we should accept a nomination that uh is not streamlining this for any one particular need but we do not have an ordinance that states
that uh you you can't serve if you've been there too long and if there's something going on in that that committee that's positive and you verified all of the requirements uh that you're concerned
about and that many of us are concerned about about attendance after all it's great to say you're a name only but it's even better if you can actually do the work so with that Spirit of mind I'm happy to accept any
appointment or nomination that you feel fit economics development is a is a committee that I wanted to hear what you guys wanted to do because it's important economic development is important to many of the Commissioners here you guys keep talking about it we have the study
going on do I think that the committee is working great I mean the committee functions do I think the committee could be restructured and and do a better job of what they are tasked with doing yeah I do do I think that there's people in
the community that probably have um more voice and more information and and to offer than the way this committee is currently structured yes I do I mean I think some we have a it's a good committee there's a lot of great people
on there but I think sometimes it's hamstrung by the size the sheer size of it and you know it's it's it's a county committee but it ends up being run a little bit differently because of some
of the groups that sit on it that's not um necessarily specific to the county so maybe that is a different discussion for a different day but that was what I want I wanted some input for from you guys on what direction you wanted to see EDC
going because of the work that's being done because of the position that's coming online because of some of the other moving Parts in the community and I know it's important to some of the Commissioners so more than making a decision on on a specific member that wasn't my goal my goal is I need some
input from you guys and this was a good opportunity to do that so does anybody have any input on EDC about the way it's functioning or what you expect out of it and that kind of thing not to laminate what another commissioner had said about the
longevity um I I I think we're all familiar with those two individuals that that are currently on the board um I'm familiar with uh one of the others that has been
nominated uh or and uh another member that's here today um and I think they're all well and qualified to to be able to uh serve on the committee with positive
input so you know I if you have something in mind as far as you're there you're there in the room um if I mean you're the best judge of what's happening in the room uh we only see minutes yeah and that's the way
it is that's called Sunshine commissioner lore I know you've had a lot um going on in the economic development realm do you have any input for this particular committee not necessarily with the membership but just the direction I know
the Oslo stuff is important right it that is and like you mentioned with others coming on board on the payroll that that does modify things I will say this particular exercise is
to select members um you know my thoughts or are that it under your leadership is is working the way it should I will say there's something to be said about attendance by a volunteer
and Mr chair I would motion uh Mr Mark Hower be reappointed or continue to work how however rewarding this Todd howder yeah okay be second and you happy to Second it
we have a motion and a second what was a motion sir I'm sorry uh to um appoint uh Todd howder we have a motion and a second is there any further discussion all in favor
opposed motion carried unanimously congratulations Todd how now we have another member at large there is two vacancies and we
have U call Zimmerman Vincent Sabia and Lolita janky Lance lber he's already been nominated and not seconded or a different position maybe no that position okay ma'am
thank you I I I think with some of the um interest with the economic development study and um the great dialogue that has been fostered in that realm I would be happy to nominate Lance lindford
second we have a motion in a second is there any further discussion is there any other nominations point to clarification he was nominated and not seconded on a previous occasion counselor your opinion
there's there's two separate um openings so I think he can be considered for the second one different seat right okay any further discussion all in favor
opposed motion carried unanimously just want to ensure that we're doing everything by policy and regulation that we have intact Planning and Zoning pnz there is a member at large
vacancy we have Richard beton Court Todd brano currently serving Paul golden Lolita jeni Tom laa Vincent
Savia and Diana vasel I'll nominate Tom lther second we have a motion and a second it's one position do we have any other nominations any further discussion Mr chair I'll just add that
by Mr Lawler's name it says District three he's actually District Four he's actually so he resides in your District correct okay well we'll make that notation because uh the record reflects District
3 okay is there any any further discussion all in favor opposed motion carried unanimously congratulations Tom lder Council I believe that
concludes the question debate an assignment an appointment it does it was rather lengthy longer than anticipated and what other corrective me measures do we have to take nothing on
this item um we still have one vacancy available don't right and and we do actually have two vacant positions on the Community Development block grant citizen advisory committee but they have income eligibilities that we need to kind of
sift through we're not ready to bring okay so there were there were requirements on that that one appointment on the block grant that have to be satisfied so we just can't pick out of somebody who wishes to be on a committee exactly there are requirements that are
constraints that's right it's going to take us a little bit time to figure that out and as far as a advisory um it needs to be a Farm Bureau repres um an actively involved in a and a Farm Bureau representative so I will work with um
that smaller segment of the population to try to to bring somebody back but there's no real immediacy does it needs to be an an employed member of Farm Bureau or a member of a member of Farm Bureau I'll
help you with that from the advocacy side oh you you want of the members so am I I used to be but forer was a member well commissioner fler since you are actively involved in agriculture and your gardening and a member of Farm
Bureau you could apply yeah that's right that's Bob Seuss asked me about my farm every every time he gets a chance we even have the County Administrator of Miami cabbage and you could others start a farmers market there at your house ah then you got to start with the the booth
and you know Farm Stand and I admire the ones who are doing it I've been visiting them a whole new world for you all right so those two will be remaining vacant at this time anything further on committees cuz
we're about ready to switch hats folks seeing none we have uh I think Haman is here and going to uh Excuse excuse me oh we got 14b which is the resolution to set
the second hearing thank you first special assessment providing for the replacement of coverts or waterers Edge V number two subdivision counselor good afternoon uh this is our
second resolution to set the the hearing time for The Waters Edge subdivision Culver Replacements as you mentioned we had the first resolution I think was in October and the work has been being completed it's not completed yet but is begun and is working on it by our code we have to set a second hearing where
the board sits as an equalizing board to determine the individual assessments on each individual lot and allow the owners of the land who are going to be affected to come in and appeal and we're asking the court or again we're asking the board to set to pass the resolution and then set the the date which is April 8th
to allow notice and the correct paperwork to go to all the land owners who are affected so we're asking that for today any questions of council and the motion is approve second we have a motion by Vice chairman l
seconded by commissioner Adams any further discussion all in favor I opposed motion carries 5 thank you nice presentation now we'll move on because uh 14c has been eliminated uh and will
be discussed at a further date we're now moving on changing hats to the solid waste disposal District item 16b uh I see h you in the in the queue that's approval of the swid meeting minutes of December 3rd
2024 you have the option to review them and the motion is it's good one second motion by commission a second by myself any further discussion all in favor opposed
motion carries unanimously approval of the swid meetings for uh December 17 2024 motion is that's say on a second and motion by commission Airman second and by myself uh any further
discussion all in favor opposed motion carries unanimously and the request for approval of change orders for CK contractors and development CK for the landfill improvements project
good afternoon Commissioners uh himon schuma managing director of the solid waste disposal District uh I know everybody's tired so I'm going to try to go through this pretty quickly we're always ready I I have one slide for this um right here and um and so the the
reason uh this project uh was was three-part uh we we basically went out to bid for a concrete pad and and uh construction of the high pressure skid at the landfill uh and it also included
a driveway Crossing that we needed for utilities for the no Petro project the uh the gas line the communication line and the and the water extension across this bridge and then also um Improvement to uh put in an automated scale housee
system uh and out of those three projects we went out the bid we received no bid responses and ultimately we uh used CK as our labor contractor to to to proceed the uh their portion of the work
with the pad the concrete pad for the uh High Press gasket has gone well uh that that's been completed and proceeding um in fact more on the lower right hand picture you could see the big uh hydrogen sulfide vessels that are on the PAAD so so again the work that CK did
using Summit to to do the concrete pad uh has been great the the second project was was um this Bridge Crossing uh has run into a lot of challenges uh we we started in the dry season then uh then uh we we ran into
the wet season hurricane Milton and so on and so forth what what I'm showing you on the left is sort of the the new driveway and it's got the sleeves in there for the landfill gas line the communication line and the water main extensions those have all been done and taken to the northern parcel by no Petro
uh our our residents are using this new driveway but what has not been completed is on the right you have one side of the canal that's been done through the permit uh and the the western side has not so the West the
bottom right corner needs to look like your your top right corner and so we've we've had sort of uh delays in proceeding on this project um so besides sort of the weathers and things like that I mean we we did have a permit from Indian ner Farms Control District um we
we had a 43in pipe if you will that they had approved and um once they came out to the site they said no that pipe's not going to work and you need to go to a 48 in elliptical reinforced concrete pipe um and so on and so forth so we've had a lot of change orders if you will on this
project and we want to go ahead and complete this it exceeded our purchasing department County Administrator uh thresholds and that's why I'm here in front of you today uh to request approval to a change order to CK again I can go into a lot of details of what
happened if you like but uh we we you have a part you know the the bridge is done a you know east side is done we need to complete the west side and uh requesting board approval for a change order to CK today 43 inch pipe isn't in place yet is
it uh it was purchased it was brought to site uh and then we were told we couldn't use it so we will repurpose it um but we had to go and buy the the new pipe so the bridge is already uh there are a couple pieces of of the bridge uh that U it still needs to be completed on
the west side so we need to take the old Access Road out uh put in some of the new uh piping that we have on site and then you know complete the rip wrap and and the sod on the western portion of the canal uh what's been sort of increasing cost is that we have sheet
piles there and uh and pumps that you know route the water uh that that's costing us you know 20 $25,000 or more a month uh in just rental cost so we really wanted to come to the board get this approved get CK ready to come out
there believe next week uh and and start completing the project we've we've had some discussions with the Indian or Farms um I mean you know there have been some concerns on their part about hog poop in the water and and not meeting water quality criteria and things like
that but we we've got some Solutions on what we can do with the water in the meantime and and get this dewatered and um and get CK in there to finish project uh so we're trying to wrap it up before the next rainy season who said you couldn't use the
43in pipes indor Farms Control District so we had a permit for the 43inch pipe uh it was brought you know CK was issued a purchase order they bought the pipe it was brought to the site and then there was an inspection done by the farms and they said no that pipe's not going to
work um when you have say a 100-year flood or something like that that that occurs uh that that pipe was going to create a restriction and um and we weren't we weren't able to to utilize it and they they approved the initial permit with 43in pipes they did they did
well we got a different kind of problem we're five Ines short and we're working on an approved process approved approved pipe y 43 in and now it's 5 in short
they've changed their position yep and we for the folks at home much was shaking yes Kim Kim Le horn was the engineer of record they designed and permitted the project they did the groundwater modeling if you will for you
know for the piping to to show uh that it would work um however the Farms District reviewed the modeling they had their own independent engineer look at it and they just felt that um the pipe was not going to work um I do have Ronnie Jones here you want to add
anything to to that on I know he I'd love to hear about this change because it's going to cost our taxpayer how much what's the difference just in the piping because they've changed their
mind and not the specifications according to a calculated remember what the change in price projection in the past good afternoon Commissioners my name is Ronnie Jones I'm the assistant managing director for solid waste um um so a couple of the changes that we've
encountered with the Farms district one was the pipe ASU mentioned this pipe was in the design presented by kimley horn the permit was approved by the farm district and provided but after a follow-up inspection by the district
before the pipe was installed as aosu mentioned they decided that it was inadequate and this was based on their own engineer coming back after the fact and making this request of us so in order for this project to proceed on we went ahead as someone she
mentioned purchased the 48 in pipe so we could get this project done and beat the rainy season unfortunately we weren't able to do that and subsequently additional delays due to asking again by the district for us to install sheet
piles engage in bypass pumping and then subsequent U water testing to determine if there were any contaminants or anything like that as part of the project so we've encountered numerous delays brought on by the Farms District that is um eating into this Project's
budget and causing um some overruns as you have seen in front of you so we we have two choices as I see it we can leave the project as it is or find a way to fund it so we can finish it as a m also stated we do have the
remaining 48 in elliptical RCP pipe that's yet to be installed so we have the left hand side that has to be removed the old corrugated metal pipe that's there also has to come out once the new elliptical RCP is installed the
canal has to be regraded and rebuilt to the district's standards in order to complete the project um while I'm mentioning that that was another change that was brought on by the Farms District to us uh that ran counter to the original design by kimley horn so
we've encountered a lot of Financial constraints by the contractor and ultimately to us from the district in order to make this project complete you know got to get the job done we do we need it
for the people's asset I I I get it operationally just have a tremendous challenge with the Mind change and then it's a mind change it's not you were given proper calculations and went forward
with the proper calculations and then now they were deemed to be improper and now because of that the taxpayer will be how much was the addition I I want you to say it on the microphone um so for the the pipe itself
it was I believe commissioner $45 to $48,000 change order for the pipe alone okay so so about $50,000 in the pipe was then we have to take out the pipe to put in and clean it up and hopefully we can sell it again well
that's the one good thing that's happened here is the the change was made before the pipe was actually installed so while the 43 in was delivered and stockpiled on site that is where it still sits on landfill property it was never installed so we do have it we
can't use it on another project but unfortunately we were not able to use the 43in pipe and we had to then turn around and go and byy the 48 in electrical pipe and that part has been installed or a portion thereof has because this this uh bid is goes
back to January 28th at what point in time was the county notifi by the water Control District and how much of a delay as it relates to this this dewatering and bypass have we incurred in terms of expenses because of the AR arguably the
reversal on a permit that they off they reviewed and issued and then subsequently provided comments I don't have specific dates um but I I do recall that it took close to a month of a delay just in the pipe change alone because
elliptical RCP pipe is not something that's readily available so it took a little bit of time to locate it and have it delivered however that delay pushed us into a rainy season that triggered the need for the Sheep pile cost and the bypass G pumping that created additional
delays in the project getting back to the county administrator's original question I would say overall we're at least six to nine months of delay in this project due to various changes so because it looks like based on this in section e the sheet pile was about
$137,000 the pump was a $28,000 the the dewatering and the bypass is about $55,000 that doesn't include I mean so basically this whole work order is related to the reversal of a issued
permit yes in large part yes 00,000 $648,000 yeah 600,000 600,000 but we hear more I mean that is incredible counselor
truthfully you got to get the job done and any any legal remedy here would probably not bear any fruit the taxpayer nor for this commission nor for the district is that
fair assumption so we are faced with a dilemma get the project done and hope that well you can recoup some of the losses by selling the pipe you know people that might need 43
in right yes sir or we use it on one of our own County projects offset that cost and that would be we could recoup about the 48,000 yes that's about it if that or maybe fire sale we could recoup some of it we're still at loss for all of
that funding because someone changes their mind a board changes their mind a state board changes their mind I want the public to know that it wasn't our staff's responsibility that it wasn't the staff's design intent or
SE K to to make this decision that it was imposed upon because I I hold the team in high regards I know this board does too and it it would be a different scenario if you just said well let's just get away with the 43 and I don't
want that to be the perception they did what they were told to do according to spec and designed that's what you're stating yes sir then you were told that's a foul ball yes sir here's the new specs here comes the
cost just wanted thoroughly discussed before the public so they know that mission was done according to Direction and not at the will of one or two individuals it was really we're in this dilemma because of the will of a
district yes sir thank you Mr chair it probably should be noted that other circumstances we have vulnerable companies and all those these circumstances are different and we'll call him the culprit
being the district they're not a bondable issue that we could go after for recuperation of dollars that could probably be handled in a civil Arena but do you want to pick that fight well no uh and I appreciate
that that's why I ask Council uh I I don't think we see any fruit we might see the the small berries at best or a consolation prize but we're not going to see a return or restitution on an an ill- fated decision or a change of mind
because they will justify their decision and we will then have court course so we can only add to the problem we can't add to the solution so it's not about it's about cost averaging and cost
avoidance the rental pumps running every day that's correct at a at with price day okay so with that now that we felt all the angst and understanding and got all the
information out it's time to Mr chairman I I'll move staff recommendation but kimley horn could they be like hey give us a break on our
bill or something because she made us purchase $43,000 pipe 33 in is that commissioner know is that an option well it appears that they acted on information that was approved uh it's not they did not act
wanton I agree they they acted direct upon engineering principles recommended it and it's approved they approved it but the Farms District changed it well they changed it after the fact after
they said yeah that's good right I was just throwing that out there if that's the case I I don't see how we can uh hold kimly horn to any sort of value yeah you're probably right on this I I think uh there's
there no no address to them they did what they know how to do and did it according to oil and they got approved right and and it's approved and that's that's a good suggestion uh commissioner
obviously um but I will say this about kimley horn they had numerous occasions held discussions with the farm distri individually and at their board and appealed these requests each time those requests were
denied pointing to the fact that their independent engineer suggested otherwise so kimley horn did as much as any other firm could do to appeal to the District on behalf of the county and the board for our sake to uh to seek some relief
in some of these changes understand I just thrw it out there oh that's that's fine so we have a motion you and a second all in
favor opposed got one microphone proceed motion approve thank you unanimously that's a tough one let's move on to uh 16 B5 which is an update on the invitation to bids for the landfill and customer convenience
centors amanuma good afternoon again commissioner amanuma managing director for the solid waste disposal District I I do have a copy of these slides in front of you uh I did make an edit to one of the slides I I'll say that up front it's related to the convenience
centers uh I had a typo about the Indian rer Sheriff's uh so it should have been office so I've corrected that I think on your markup and here in the slides as well and then I think we had also um prohibition of weapons and I've I've struck that as well um the purpose of
today is to just give you an update uh We've uh started the invitation a bid process in early January for the operation maintenance of the county landfill and the customer Convenience Centers um and just wanted to kind of catch you up to speed on on where we
are uh quick timeline again January 10th the there are two independent invitation to bid so they're they're separate uh they'll be awarded as two separate agreements uh and opportunities there for one or more companies to to potentially win both but but they are
going to be two Standalone separate agreements uh they were issued on January 10th we had this as an invitation to bid with a qualification phase so the initial was a qualification phase uh deadlines were uh January 31st and and the vendors that submitted it
were were qualified I didn't have to notify anybody that they were not qualified to continue on we had a mandatory pre-bid meeting on February 14th uh all the uh potential biders were in attendance and here we are today uh March 11th kind of giving you this
update um since I wrote the agenda item uh you know we did Issue an agenda whereas this Friday we uh originally this coming Friday we were going to have both bids open up however only the convenience center bid is opening this Friday and
then next Wednesday we're we're going to be opening the landfill bid um we're just giving them a little bit more time on the landfill because we we issued an adem yesterday to clarify some things um the the plan here is to uh come back to
you on April 8 uh for a recommendation of award uh again we'll get we'll get the bids uh Friday and next Wednesday we'll evaluate them uh we've had assistance from ker Consulting and they've used us consultant S2 uh to assist as well so they'll help us
evaluate this we'll put an agenda item together and and the the plan is to come to you for a recommendation on April 8th um we have included sample agreements uh in the process uh I've given opportunities for vendors to kind of uh uh make comments on those
and um again there are sample agreements uh we're look to once the award is done to finalize uh the agreements and bring that to you on on May 6 the overall purpose is to get uh everything um you know awarded and approved uh and go go
live on October 1 2025 um the this will impact our budget and that's why my goal is to get get this awarded on April 8th so we would have an idea what the budget impact is going to be for for these two major contracts for
with overall goals and objectives again a competitive uh process via an invitation bid with the pre-qualification that I mentioned we always want to again continue to maintain quality of service increase efficiency always looking to recycle more and and certainly manage cost
through a you know a procurement process competitive process the landfill imitation of bid I'll just quickly kind of walk through this um and it's a busy slide the the term the current term was a 7-year and then a seven-year renewal and we did do
an extension to Republic Services uh which expires to September 30th this new contract uh looks at a base 10year term with an additional uh 10year uh option as well so this could potentially be a 20year agreement for both the landfill and the convenience centers the hours of
operations what we have done is we we are open seven days a week we're closed five holidays uh from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. what we have done is included an option to obtain a savings if you will
if the if the board uh were to consider closing the landfill on Sundays um so I'm not asking for uh any any decision today uh but just to let you know that we have included pricing uh in in the bid process so when we come back to you
at a later time I'll be able to share with you what that savings is uh we certainly have our reasons uh we have seen based on some traffic studies uh and our sort of financial analysis that it's not very cost effective to operate on Sunday for us uh we also realize that
uh all the other landfills around us are closed on Sunday and so what what tends to happen is a lot of out of County Waste starts gravitating toward Indian Nera County on Sundays uh and so those are some of the staff reasons why we included the option to consider closing
but again no decision on on closure today we'll have some financial information uh to to to give you at the time of a ward uh that's when you'll make a decision if if it's if it's worth uh closing our facility on Sunday or not
yes ma if I could just interrupt real quickly sure um understand St Lucy and Bard has have been closed on Sundays for a while so I know we're going to get into this later but you just mentioned that uh earlier that there doesn't seem
to be a lot of vehicular traffic and tonnage on Sundays so that doesn't sound like they're coming from St Lucy or bravard so so what yeah good point what they're
gravitating toward is our Convenience Centers um and so um that in turn then the waste then comes to the landfill it may not come on Sunday but but throughout the week it it'll gravitate toward there as well so no appreciate
the question there um the scope of work uh the class one landfill operating a a permitted class one facility uh We've we've done that as a price per ton that's going to continue to be uh you know bid that way um and I'll skip over
to the note for a second and all the other items at the landfill are part of this bid uh currently what we did was We have basically the landfill as a price per ton operation and then everything else fell into what we call non-class one and it was part of the convenience
center package so a lot of services at the landfill were part of the the convenience center pricing what we've done with this new invitation to bid is we've separated out everything at the landfill will be part of the landfill agreement everything related to the convenience centers will be part of the
convenience center package um so a lot of the services uh at the landfill are now part of this bid so you're managing our uh area for recycling what we call the municipal recycling facility uh for where we receive single stream materials cardboard that's part of the operation
loading the materials on trailers that go to St Lucy County that's part of the operation managing the waste tires our scrap metal white goods area our household hazardous facility um our small load drop off area uh there's a warehouse facility where we process dof
foam and things like that and then uh at times pre- and post services at the landfill uh We've also included other General Services one one of the big things here with the interchange coming on 95 and Oslo coridor um we we we do have some off-site litter right now but
we've expanded the offsite litter in this bid um just going to go top of my head we basically have actually gone all the way down to 66th Avenue uh North to 4th Street uh same thing on 74th Avenue go all the way North to 4th Street uh we
got the Oslo Corridor pretty much I think uh east of 95 all all the way to 66 Avenue uh that whole corridor and then South on 74th sort of down toward the prison area as well and I believe
even on uh trip that's TW 25th Street uh Southwest but again the the road that that goes uh East West along the prison and um again we've done that because we're going to have a lot of traffic coming through we're going to have a major interchange there as well and we
want to make sure uh this is going to be a Gateway from the South if you will to indan County and we want to uh We've included cost in here to assist our Road and Bridge crew but at least to have have uh sort of assistance from our landfill contractor to help pick up the
litter in and around the landfill area um we've have some old equipment that uh that's been outdated I I have a styrofoam machine that I believe is is probably about that I uh we got as a as a grant for $1 about 20 years ago uh it's kind of on its last leg so we
included a new styrofoam machine processing machine in the warehouse um we process a lot of well we obtained a lot of film the film recycling program is growing and but we we transport that to St Lucy County so we've included a vertical bailor in here for us to manage
the film and and recycle uh and send that out for recycling right here from Indian County the the ice machine is just kind of a a small item there but it's utilized for for their Labor uh the air compressor is old and uh want to make sure that that that's replaced um
the fueling facility we current currently have existing above ground tanks uh they were from do that we uh basically moved from 41st Street uh by the fleet to the landfill about 15 years ago they're they're in good shape uh my
initial intent was to replace them but we're going to as a cost-saving measure we clarified yesterday that the vendors can continue to use them if uh if at any point they become non- compliant uh then then we'll discuss about you know replacing replacing that um and then we
have an uh an old wash bay area that they can utilize as well the convenience centers any questions on the landfill before I go to the conveni centers are you looking for input you're just looking for input today right if you like I mean we've uh
the the the bids are out apologize that we've kind of come to you after that we've started the process uh but again we've we've uh issued some clarifications we've got the bid structured in way that we'll be able to come back and and give you some options uh on that uh one item that I did Skip
here was uh on item one uh one of the things that we included is in the base bid is is for them to purchase cover material the dirt and the mulch for cover uh we recognize it that that could be a a big add-on expense uh Atlas Organics currently provides mulch for
cover at at no cost we provide at no cost to our contractor so we put in an option uh for for a deduction if you will if we continue to provide Mulch and and dirt um to the contract so um I mean certainly if you have any input I'm
happy take it we can well I have I have seesack in at 3:00 okay so I just wanted to since I've read through all this stuff okay I just wanted to jump into my my input before it gets to before I
have to leave so as far as a landfill being closed on Sunday I you know the landfill isn't as big of a deal to me on Sunday but if you're going to close a landfill on Sunday like you can't you're you're not going to be able to close the
convenience centers on Sunday that's my opinion I think if you touch a weekend day at those Convenience Centers you're G to it's going to cause a lot of problems um my suggestion is that whoever is doing the contract has more trucks there to Stage or switches them
out more frequently if that's a problem on Sunday um I think also with the convenience centers it says that you're going to have three attendance at each and I'm assuming that's because of checking the driver's licenses and then two on the
hill or up top right um is there space at all of them for two attendance or for three attendance total like I'm thinking Rosen and like winter beach specifically are small there's a minimum of usually two at each Center uh some have more uh
I think Oslo has three to four uh there uh because we introduced this driver's license requirement uh at the convenience centers as an option right now in the bid we we did uh include as a bid option to provide a savings that if if at the if at some future meeting the
board decides that we do not want to impose checking driver's license then we could um you know we'll have a cost Savings in there on their bid for that and I don't I mean I don't have a problem with moving towards something like that I know the rosand um the
rosand community is always very concerned about people coming in from Barefoot Bay and and T and because that is a constrained convenience center for those of you that haven't been there I would take a field trip to rosand it's not I wouldn't say it's a shining star of our
Convenience Centers but it is what it is it serves its function um but it it does have some space constraints and things of that um so just that's my two cents on that but I do think the logistics of trying to figure out the driver's license checks
is it probably needs a little bit more fleshing out I know they're doing this in other areas um we weing this from Port St city of Port St Lucy does that they check driver's licenses for every resident that comes through how do they deal with um people that are residents or part-time
residents they I'm not sure what database they're using but they do if somebody is visiting they live in Port St Lucy but they're from New York uh and they have a New York license they they'll scan the New York license and I think behind the scenes they're able to go back and verify that that that person
is a resident of of city of Port St lcy okay so that was a question I had and then lastly um when you start talking about the trailers no trailers at Convenience Centers I think that's going to be a problem and again I understand what
we're trying to accomplish by limiting um the amount of of bulk that's being taken to the convenient centers but again if those if there's another driver that's part of the contract that's in switching those out more
frequently it's not as much of a problem and I think they're called Convenience Centers I mean I call it the dump but I know technically it's a convenience center but if we start making it inconvenient then we have a hard time calling it a convenience center because they're kind of outposts for for the
landfill and I know I get it sometimes perhaps more often than not there's frequent flyers that are user suspects that are taking advantage of of them and using that for more commercial purposes
but you know if if you have somebody on larger acreage that's in the further reaches of the county and I'm assuming this doesn't necessarily apply apply to to blue cypress that's kind of an anomaly situation um you know I just think and
and I get there's lines and things of that nature but anybody using a convenience center is used to that or should be or they should be taking advantage of the curbside pickup instead true and I'm sorry to cut off your
presentation I just want to make sure I was able to give I was trying to great comments the whole process on on on the uh trailers is to eliminate the commercial dumping correct as we discussed so therefore very few
commercial operations rent trailers very few commercial operations have 6 by8 trailers they have these large ones that are displayed so if you did a size this way the average homeowner only has a
small or or a rented trailer Uh I that would be a way to discern as far as your regulation I just think there's going to be a lot of push back that might provide more angst and be beneficial and there's perhaps a
better way to go about it than saying absolutely no trailers and I think that puts the attendance in a bad position too and and this this is not to you know affect I don't feel like this policy or procedure and we can continue discussing
it we can look at phasing things in it's not going to we wanted to bring it up because it was a good time to sort of update and provide our you know vendors as to what the policy and procedures will be that they're going to operate on and everybody to be on the same page um
certainly it does not affect their price in terms of how much labor they have obviously the driver's license you know checking that would affect another body on the site but in terms of the days of operations the services that they they provide um you know we were just looking
to establish some policy procedures that we could use that they can use to guide on how we want them to be operated um you know we again we use the word convenience but at times along lines make it inconvenient and that's that's what we're looking at the the vendors
are responsible so if the container is full they need to pull it they need to put an empty on the wall that needs to be continuous throughout the day and throughout the days of operation so they're still responsible for that in terms of their their cost however what we find is that we're um residents are
inconvenient other residents because of the long lines because they're bringing large quantity of material that maybe the the center is not not you know ready or uh to to to to to take and I've seen in in a lot of cases where you have a
giant convenience center and you have one you have one truck that's open but you have multiple slots so instead of pulling around you know they have to stop at at this first one and offload
everything whether it's in their trunk or trailer or the back of the truck but there's there's all these others you could you know it just seems like the queuing process could be more convenient or more efficient sure think of you know like picking your kids up at school they
move them through that line pretty quickly because you have to pull all the way to the front you can't just stop right right here where your kid is yeah I think the the the rationale that I understand is if you have three empty containers and they're all open to be used they're all getting filled at the
same time and and so then when you want to you you'd almost have to stop traffic or you do it after hours or whatnot right to be able to pull those full ones off so what they always try to do is keep an empty one there fill up you know one or two uniformally and then they
could switch the traffic to the empty one while they pull the full ones that that's kind of the rationale behind it but I understand what you're saying so and I can understand that but I think just we need to be consistent in the fact that some of the some of the procedures that we create are creating the problems
that we're trying to solve with additional rules sure so yeah no certainly we wanted to take the opportunity to bring some of these policies to you again it it it overall uh besides the new you know uh requirement for checking driver's licenses again to try to keep out of
County Materials here um it these are just policies to help guide the the vendor I mean their their scope of work is to operate them 5 days a week from 7:00 a.m. to 6: p.m. we don't you know guarantee any quantity of material basically if a container is full it's
got to be pulled and and brought to the landfill the um you know I guess we can cross the bridge uh when it's time related to the Sunday closure at the landfill and how that affects you know the convenience center we we we typically have always kept the landfill
open because the convenience centers are open because you need to empty those containers and bring them in um good suggestion about having extra empty containers on site that they they could just pull the full ones and and and do that uh but generally we we want the material once it's full to be taken to
the landfill and and brought in for disposal so um but um showman La sure thank you Mr chair a couple things I know one thing also keep in
mind talk about centers uh we all need to take a look at our trim notice uh to be uh truthful about uh convenience we are paying for this service in our property taxes by eliminating someone with a
trailer uh I don't agree with that and since this is the only time we can talk about it uh together uh if that trailer is not accepted in rosand or felir or even gford um and they have to drive to the landfill uh and they decide not to go to
the landfill guess where that debris is going to wind up counterproductive so I'm I'm against Banning trailers to start with second uh we don't know exactly because after 101 uh when the new process starts we don't know the volume that's going to
happen at our Convenience Centers and finally um with the driver's license check that could lead to uh some other issues that would take hours to talk about uh but as example um if the driver
doesn't live in virau but his passenger has a driver's license is he or she accepted to dump good question there's a lot of variables sure sure one person in the truck may have a Viro license so when you start drilling down
on who can dump and who can't I would I would U offer caution okay some there are some detected individuals who have confidential licenses as well and
they may not show that's just another no understand um so we'll we'll continue to review these you know sort of proposed policies and procedures um uh again we're not asking for any decision at this time uh
we just wanted to kind of make you aware that that this would be an opportune time when the new agreement goes in effect October one that we provide some good clear guidance on on how how we expect these centers to be operated and managed um and uh we're we're trying to
look at efficiencies look at convenience and and so on and so forth but we we we can uh bring this up at at another time uh before we make any final decisions um just a reminder we have a cone of silence in effect staff and the board is is not engage with any proposed
uh uh vendors and again we have a bid opening on Friday for the convenience center and next Wednesday for the landfill um did we get did we get a decent amount of bids or um or I don't know I don't I we don't need to know who they are that's not
what I'm asking I know there's Point silence Jennifer gave me the finger so I I I I'll just say we have uh three perspective biders for the landfill and we have two for the convening centers awesome all right that sounds great so we have choices we have choices
uh asked everybody to sharpen their pencils thank you for the update you don't need us any further no thank you so much appreciate and Lively discussion uh I do want to close uh uh many some of you may remember
County Commissioner Kenneth marked uh well at least at least two of you do uh you you remember yeah sure well you were um he served uh between 1996 and
2004 uh he served admirably and he was uh not only a veteran but uh a committed member of many organizations who improved the environment known as inie
River County uh he has recently passed uh just just about two weeks ago and uh there'll be a service um I believe it's uh we make a a March uh it's at uh March
27th at Strunk funeral home but uh we want to express our our wishes of condolence to the family and to the citizens he served thank you seeing anything
further meeting is adjourned for