e e e e e e e e e uh good evening and welcome to the uh
uh February 20th 2025 special um meeting of the Indian River County uh Planning and Zoning commission uh we'll call this meeting to order and being with Pledge of Allegiance please pledge Al flag United States
ofice thank you uh any additions or deletions from the um uh agenda no sir no good enough um we have no minutes to approve so we'll get right into it we have one
uh agenda item tonight and that is a Quail Valley Recreation Center and this is a request for a major site plan and administrative permit use approval for a Civic and social membership organization a private Recreation Center Center whale
Valley Club LLC is the owner um sulki brittle and Stoddard LLC is the agent the zoning is medical uh land use designation is commercial industrial uh any Declaration of xparte
communications uh none um anyone who would like to speak on this please stand to be sworn in do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth um staff presentation please good evening chair members of the
board before you today is the Quail Valley recreational major site plan and administrative permit use the property is located south of 41st Street East of 11th drive and Southwest of Indian River Boulevard here's an aial of the site to
give you an idea of existing conditions back in December this body approved the Riverton residential subdivision to the south of this project which was plat over sight plan the overall site plan is going to provide for a bevy of recreational uses
to include tennis paddle ball courts botch ball pickle ball racket ball squash a spa and Market an administrative facility and Fitness Center Traffic circulation plan will just be your standard uh Circ culation
plan that will have a connection to 11th Drive which will be right in and right out only it will be gated they're also going to share access via roundabout with the Riverton subdivision it will also be gated as well the landscape plan will call for a
required 25 foot tight B landscape buffer on the north west and south portion of the site there is going to be a required 25 foot type SE buffer on the western or sorry the Eastern edge of the site dedications and improvements uh internal
and external sidewalk and pedestrian system parking area lighting common Green Space and Recreation Area I would also like to note that it meets or exceeds all the specific land use criteria is listed within section 97128 subsection two of the county land Dev development regulations a detailed
breakdown of each Criterion is provided within the staff report staff recommends that the PCC Grant major site plan and administrative permit use approval for the Quail Valley recreational center with the conditions listed in the staff report these conditions refer to the final tree
protection and mitigation plans the insulation of All Landscape buffer improvements all the lighting improvements and all the common area and project sidewalks I'm available for any questions you may have thank you thank you uh Brandon any commissioner
questions on the right not at this time oh any commissioner questions on the left no questions from my end i' i' have a disclosure I stay I'm on the um wait list for membership at Quail I think I can still make a a sound
decision on this unbiased um I don't have any problem recusing myself if that would be the the direction of County County staff or attorney as well nor normally for in order someone to recuse himself they would have to have some sort of monetary benefit or value that they would you know obtain
from it I don't believe that him being on a waiting list gives any sort of value or anything from voting on the item so I think we're okay good enough um uh no questions so um I will open uh the floor for public
comment anyone who would like to comment on this please come to either one of the podiums state your name address and make your comment no comments Tom Sullivan 4187 16 square um could you put up that
graphic again the which one the second one that one oh I'm sorry the first one uh I do have a problem with that intersection of 41st and 11th Avenue um
the other the other problem I have is right East of that site east of that site is that an outline of of a building there you see where I'm speaking Yeah right there this is yeah oops and my question
is if that's an outline of a building where is there egress access going to come is it going to come through the proposed site um so this area that you're referring to was actually approved via the preliminary plat for the Riverton uh
subdivision that actually also approved the plat portion of this site um so this is going to be a later um phase that's going to come in that that has not come in yet but um access would be derived from Indian River Boulevard from my understanding I see because where that
access would normally need to be derived and if it's a medical facility which I assume it might be it's going to have it's going to have North uh southbound traffic cutting into the merge lane that comes off the 41st going south which alleviates the backup
of traffic on 41st Street do you get my gist on that one yes okay so now if if if in fact they do put an access ESS there my I would imagine anyone with common sense would want to take the merge lane away because otherwise you'd
have cars trying to get in and cars trying to make a right turn on indion River Boulevard which is getting more congested by the day so now my question is you know we've really tried to shove a lot of things in here and and I think they've made a lot of money
already um the the idea and I go back M Mr Sullivan I'm not sure we should be talking about that okay well the the the point I was going to go back I mean we're we're talking about the site that is on the yes graphic not the one across
the street right but you know when I was at a meeting here on December mber 8 of 2002 um there was a Mr Sweeney responded to commission question about I was not here in 2002 you mean
2022 uh 2022 thank you sorry you started to look a little gray though I have to tell you okay and and and Ryan respond uh Mr Sweeney explained that the 11th Drive project intended to relieve the area traffic and also noted
that uh this would do that uh I don't know if that's necessarily going to be the case I have nothing against this project the only question I have having been the athletic director at New Hampshire College when you were at Castleton State is wrong I wasn't in castl state so let's get that straight
all right so what I'm saying is the noise factor and the light Factor are we going to have controls about that because there are people living around there so in other words is there going to be a situation where the lights go off at 11:00 where they they don't stop playing till certain hours okay that's my thing with it and I think you you
guys all know my concern with traffic in that area I I don't think we've looked at that road and I don't know how much widening can be done I do know that they're allowing for 272 spaces I know that the project south of it that's on the board is 72 units and I know that
the apartment building is 287 and I know that there's 200 so and now there's another plan which I won't get into because I'm not allowed to but we're putting a lot of traffic on that street and across the street of US1 is
the railroad track so I'm just saying I don't know if we've thought this out I have no problem with them coming there I just hope that we manage the traffic as they move in thank you and this is probably not the time to talk about traffic
right NB yeah all right well basically all these projects have to meet concurrency and for some reason if there's a failure in concurrency they're going to have to do improvements to the road system to get their project through is that not correct yes so and I for the record Ryan swe assistant Planning Development Services director um as was
described at the December 12th 2024 meeting uh we we did note that this project was coming uh this the reason we were having a special call meeting tonight is is this project is meaning is supposed to Pace with Riverton to the South and um for a couple of different
reasons they didn't quite Pace but that's why we're trying to get them back linked back up but we made it clear then and clear now that all of those surrounding projects be included in the background traffic for this project um we still have not included
the 2 acre Med medical site that's on the boulevard because it's not there yet we don't know what the exact square footage is nor have we included the property further to the West um because again it builds upon one another that ansers your question thank thank you Ryan and I can say the current traffic
study did not warrant a signal at 41st And1 Drive anyone else like to speak on this my name is Andy Spalding um 1479 Lily's Cas circle on the community that all shifts to the north of the recreation center that's going to be
there and of course you know all the residents are concerned about what the impact is going to bring from lights from noise Etc but I haven't heard anything from a negative standpoint to have any push back about the the facility itself I mean it sounds pretty
exciting actually but I just want to when I found out about this meeting late yesterday I did want to come today and just Express a little bit I don't want to talk about traffic because I know this is not what it's about but for for an example today if I come across the railroad track in the eastbound on 41st
Street eastbound that traffic signal at US1 in 41st Street doesn't have a turn signal going eastbound so that threw traffic across the track as you know they took away the the stop sign and everybody can flow
through that excuse me and that that's going to create a problem because if you can't make a left because of the traffic that's going westbound that traffic has become a lot more since they've added Costa Point uh laaya and now we're going to add you
know another 200 uh parking spots for quail I see that as a projected problem because if they can't make a left it's backing up toward the tracks that could be a real serious situation plus it going to it's going to create some temper tantrums in that intersection so
hope there's some thought in the traffic study that they're going to do there that they consider that to get a either a turn lane because even a car turning right on us one there's no turn lane there either so they're waiting to turn right they can't the car is trying to make a left and all that traffic that's
coming on 41st heading west it's it's pretty bad especially at the traffic hour early morning late 5:00 so that's a that's a major concern that we have as far as our community being across the street I don't foresee it being a
problem I think it may be a plus for the community um I know Quail does a pretty top-notch job whatever they do so I don't think you're going to get a push back from the community we have I know Tom's in the adjacent Community but you know I just wanted to to share the traffic issue because I was impacted
today and it hasn't even gone yet and those sales have not been totally built up and there's two new communities so that I just put that that thought in your mind uh thank you Mr Spalding anyone else we'll close the public comment um section uh any additional uh
commissioner questions on the left I just had one question on this I didn't see a lift station but I see one for the project that's been approved and I just didn't know if they were tying into that lift station it looks like that would be the logical thing but is that what's happening yes there's a master lift
station and 11 Drive okay just real quick for lighting and I mean the county has lighting and noise ordinances but I've used this sort of analogy before that those things tend to be self- policing the Riverton project to the South which is a gho project
again this is a partnership between the two of them they're going to want to be good neighbors um you know Bill is not going to let Kevin operate until you know we hours of the morning because he's not going to be able to sell his units and and vice versa you know so um I think that will control itself the
folks at Costa will also may be members so it's going to be privately controlled as well as County control thank you any questions on the right goad Mark Brian um just out of
curiosity 227 spaces seem like a lot and it says that they were required uh how was that calculated uh so thank you Mr chair Mr mure it's it's we do have uh parking CS per the various different
uses number of Courts swimming pool fitness center administrative offices I my my guess is that we typically don't have a facility that offers this many types of different options so a lot of those spaces will overlap in other words you're not going to have people who are there that are playing pickle ball are
also going to go hit the gym and then hit the lap pool so and and the way our code treats those is all three different uses So in theory three those people would be parking in three different spaces for those same three activities if that makes sense so it it may or may not be overkilled but it's it's um it's
certainly I don't anticipate that the parking lot being full okay and there was or there wasn't a traffic study there was there there was a traffic study that in included all of the surrounding that probably
explains what you just said well parking and traffic are two different things but they are interrelated yeah okay thank you are we good on questions no sir y all right just questions um first of all is
the project phased in any form or is it all in one it's going to be all in one phase okay and then the drainage that was mentioned they'll tie into the project to the South so they have to work simultaneously so if one's slower than the other then are they holding each other up uh yeah in theory I mean
both access and drainage so it's it's a joint project through and through okay and then the access was the last question so if somebody's in the project project uh and wants to head south they're going to have to go through the roundabout and then they can head south to
37th they're not forced to go out to in rear Boulevard and so forth okay correct yeah the the direct connection to 11th Drive is a right in right out and there will be a raised median traffic separator so they they won't be able to make a left out of that driveway they'll have to go through okay so that'll divert a substantial amount of the
traffic then potentially to 37th straet correct as versus going as away from 41st streight which is I know concerned for a lot of people okay good chip anyone else um hearing none I'll call for motion motion to approve motion to approve second all in
favor I I oppose um passes um commissioner matters any commissioner matters um I've got a question from a constituent that I was not able to answer so I will bring it to you this
question is about uh Vero uh Largo subdivision which is uh 53rd Street and 57th between 53rd and 57th off 58th and the question is that um there are multiple storm water Retention Ponds on
that um property um and uh the question from the constituent is according to the uh real estate agent um bu logo is the only subdivision in the country that is has permission to pump water from the
Retention Ponds into canals is that true that does not sound true but I'd have to look into it uh to give you a a i I've never heard anything like that and so yeah I will I can follow up with
you what's that I can follow up with you okay if you'll follow up with me I'll uh answer his question but um uh now I guess you can see why I couldn't answer it um very good uh any planning matters just because we were able to have this meeting tonight we don't have anything
on the docket for uh next Thursday so our next meeting will may be um the second uh the 13th of March maybe we're not we're not setting all right maybe um our backlog
has been eased up now correct yeah that would be the 13th all right uh any attorney matters none oh my heart's broken we're we're jur for