Good morning. Tuesday, June 17, 2025, regular board of county commissioners meeting will now be called to order on this fine day. And we'll begin with a moment of silent reflection for the first responders and members of the armed forces. We will then move on to uh
Pastor Jonathan Williams from the Calvary Chapel uh Church of Beer Beach who will give us an invitation and then we will have none other than Commissioner Joe Airman to lead us in
the pledge. Please rise. on behalf of Calvary Chapel and our pastor Jim Gallagher, we're uh just want to say thank you for your part in the community. So, let's pray. Heavenly Father, we gather today um and I'm reminded of the verse in James which
says, "If anyone lacks wisdom, let him ask of God who gives to all liberally and without reproach and it will be given to him." And uh Father, we pray that this day you would grant wisdom to our board here as they set laws and policies concerning uh this great
county, Indian River County. And we pray that you'd bless them in their decision-making process this day as they oversee. And Lord, as we continue to celebrate 100 years of Indian River County, we pray Lord for your blessing upon our county, uh the city of Vero
Beach and our residents. And we pray, Lord, that the next 100 years would be blessed and and uh that this this county would prosper under the leadership of our leaders here. So we ask your blessing upon the decisions specifically for this day that you'd give them
wisdom. And it's in the name of Jesus that we pray. Amen. Thank you. Join me in pledging allegiance to the greatest nation in the world, the United States of America. I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for it stands nationy and justice for all. I'll move on move on to uh any additions deletions to the agenda or emergency items. I did want to take this time to
notice that on the agenda reflects executive sessions. those executive sessions number 12 item 12B and 12 C uh regarding the the firefighters IAFF
and chief's uh discussion will be in the shade and it will be at the end of the meeting just post all endeavors so that uh we will adjourn from here
and then go to our uh executive session and then return back to the chambers uh to uh end the meeting. So just want to advise that. Is there anything else? Mr. Chair, were you going to the flag
flown over the capital? Um that that will be included in the the future conversation with the with the proclamation. Thank you, sir. Move to approve as noted. Second.
We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries unanimously. The very first item on proclamations will be a presentation proclamation honoring Michael R. church on his
retirement from the Indie River County Board of County Commission, Department of Utility Services and Water Production, and Commissioner Susan Adams has the honor. All right, Mr. Church, want to come on up? All right.
It's my um pleasure right now to read this proclamation honoring Michael R. Church on his retirement from the Indian River County Board of County Commissioners Department of Utility Services Water Production. Whereas Michael R. Church will retire from the Indian from the Indian River County
Department of Utility Services Water Production effective June 26, 2025. And whereas Michael R. R. Church began his career with Indian River County in April 2015 as an electrician and utility services wastewater treatment. In
October 2024, he transferred to water production as an electrician where he continued in that capacity until his retirement. And whereas Michael R. Church has served this county and the public with distinction and selflessness. During his 10 years of service, he was dedicated and his work
was greatly appreciated by the employer, citizens, and co-workers alike. And now, therefore, be it proclaimed by the board of county commissioners of Indian River County, Florida, that the board applauds Michael R. church's efforts on behalf of the county and the board wishes to express their appreciation for the
dedicated service he has given to Indian River County for the last 10 years and be it further proclaimed that the board of county commissioners and staff extend heartfelt wishes for success in his future endeavors adopted the 17th day of June 2025 and signed by all five county
commissioners. Mr. Church, congratulations. I hope that you have many fun adventures planned for your retirement and uh we hope you very much enjoy it. Thank you very much. Mr. Church, I have to say that many of
us don't see you on our day-to-day endeavors. That's probably a good thing. Most of the citizens don't have the opportunity to see you. This might be the only opportunity that they had to have met you, but I want you to know every time they turn on the tap.
I think they should be thinking of you. Thank you for your service and thank you for making it right for Indie River counties. Thank you, sir. I just I did just want to say something real quick. Sean Leki, director of utility services. Um, thanks, Mike, for
your 10 years of service. Um, Mike often likes to joke around that he's the CEO of the utility, the chief electrical, um, officer. So, um, you know, he really has done a lot for the utility and and keeping our water plants functioning and
operating is is a full-time job and, you know, our electricians, um, are a key part of that and Mike's been a key part of that for 10 years. You know, keeping our our systems running and keeping water going to our citizens. So, thanks Mike for all you do for the utility and have done for the utility over the past
10 years. Congratulations. Thank you, sir. Uh Rich Meccas, assistant director, utilities department. Uh I want to say thank you, Mike. Thank you, sir. You know, all these guys standing behind you, you've lifted us up and you're the one doing the work. Yeah. So, I
appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Awesome. Well, come on up and get your proclamation and and let's take a picture. Great places, sir. Are you happy or No, she's got a list in her left hand. Yeah.
All the things that you need to do now that you have the time. Awesome. Congratulations. Thank you. Well, that was a great start and we have a another great start coming our way. Uh, as some of you may heard, uh, we're
celebrating our 100th anniversary. Nobody in the room was there when it all started. And I'm just grateful that you're here today to be part of the legacy of that 100
years that I I didn't misspe. There's nobody here that was here at the beginning, were they? Okay. Well, with that, I'd like to uh present the proclamation uh to all of you, to all of the
residents, the citizens, the makers, the movers of Indie River County, those who made it all possible. Even to those we've never met, but we've heard about. I want to present this proclamation
honoring a lifetime of dedication and service in the solid waste industry. What how did that happen? Well, I have the other proclamation. So
that was placed in I will find the other one. Thank you. Thank you. We will now move to the most appropriate proclamation and I apologize. Things happen. I'm sure they happen
throughout the course of this hundred years. So, we're just showing that we are human. We'll now present this proclamation celebrating the centennial of Indian River County.
Whereas on June 29th, 1925, Indian River County was officially established as Florida's 65th county, carved from the northern portion of St. Lucy County to provide residents with greater local
autonomy, improved allocation of public services, and freedom from the burdensome regulations. And whereas the county takes its name from the Indie River Lagoon, a vital
biodiverse ecosystem that supports more than 4,000 species of plants and animals and long served as both a cultural and economic lifeline to the region. Whereas Indie River County has cultivated a
proud agricultural legacy with its world-renowned Indie River citrus, particularly oranges and grapefruit, and gaining international acclaim for exceptional flavor and quality owing the region's unique soil,
subtropical climate, and generations of dedicated farmers. And whereas aviation has played a central role in the county's history and development, most notably through the Vero Beach airport, which began service
in the 1930s and served as a naval air station during World War II, training naval aviators and contributing to the defense of our great nation. Whereas the legacy of the sports and civil rights also runs deep into Indie
River County where the Brooklyn Dodgers established their spring training facility in historic Dodger Town and Vero Beach in 1948, ushering in the era of integrated baseball in the South and serving as a
spring training home of Jackie Robinson, whose courage and talent helped break the color barrier. in major baseball and inspired change throughout generations. Whereas Indie River County is home of
some of Florida's most pristine and cherished natural resources, including its white sand beaches, vibrant coastal communities, and the Pelican Island National Wildlife Refuge, the first
National Wildlife Refuge in the United States, symbolizing a centurylong commitment to conservation and environmental steward stewardship. Whereas over the past 100 years, Indie
River County has grown into a vibrant, resilient community, blending the charm of its rural agricultural heritage and innovation, in business, in the arts, education, and public service, and
maintaining its deep connection to land, water, and people. Now therefore, beer proclaimed by the board of county commissioners of Indian River County, Florida, that on June 29th, it shall be recognized as Indian
River County Centennial Day. And we extend our deepest appreciation to all who have shaped it in the past and continue to build its future. Let this proclamation stand as a tribute to the enduring spirit, the natural
beauty, and the proud legacy of Indie River County as it embarks in its second century. Billy adopted this 17th day of June, 2025, and it's signed by all five county commissioners.
This is quite the achievement. again. Uh I have uh Michelle Wagner here that uh has engineered our celebration and I'd like
to her to say a few words regarding that and then I would also conclude it with the special presentation that we received all of the people of India River County. Thank you, Commissioner. It's been an honor to be part of this celebration.
Um, I tease everybody that I was volunttoled that I was going to be the chairperson of it, but I have truly enjoyed every aspect of the celebration, including all of the different areas of Indian River County, learning and
enjoying the friendship and the communionship that um I didn't know existed in some parts. And so, it has been truly a wonderful celebration. I'm looking forward to the next the final the next two weeks um where we're going
to have our parade, our downtown main street um we're going to have a history fair and then of course our wonderful time capsule which will be our finale and I am so thankful that all of you have wanted to be part of it as well and um the immense support that I have
received from John. This has been truly a great experience with him. Could we talk a little bit about uh what's to take place on the day of the time capsule? Absolutely. So, our plan for the time capsule is most people will arrive around 9:30. Um kind of mingle a
little bit at 10:00. We will have a um invocation, national uh pledge of allegiance. We'll have someone sing the national anthem. Uh we have someone who is going to also um speak a few words about what is going into the time
capsule and we're going to have it as a celebration. There'll be uh tents and some some food and water and and experiences like that. And then um we're going to meet out at the flag pole. So if anybody is not familiar with county
admin a building, we're standing in it. And um the flag pole that's in the roundabout is where the time capsule is going to be buried. And we've decided to open it in 50 years because we want the children of today that experience it to be here in 50 years when it gets
reopened and say, "I remember this. I remember putting that in there." So we've we've collected a lot of things from the community um just to to fill it up. We have a huge time capsule, so we want to make sure that we provide lots of things for tomorrow.
Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. We We hope everybody can attend. Uh this is I'm hoping two or 300 people. I mean, we have a huge county, so everybody just,000 I mean, 170,000 citizens. They can come. So, we can pack the house. Absolutely.
We've got all this parking. We'll pack the field. Uh it's it's quite the celebration. It's an accomplishment. And uh we'd like to see everybody there uh because when the time capsule is open again, we weren't here in the beginning
and I don't anticipate many of us being there. I'm sorry to break the news. I don't plan on being there in 50 years unless we have an early opening. Uh we will we'll have to witness what's going in the time capsule and then it's left
up to the future. Yes. Thank you. Uh and Michelle, I I I did want to speak with my colleagues a moment there. We were um in in touch with uh some people in elective office and uh we were presented
with uh a a a beautiful gift and I'll I'll just read that. This is uh regarding this flag of the United States. The certificate certifies that the accompanying flag was flown over the
United States capital on May 30th, 2025 at the request of the Honorable Rick Scott, United States Senator. This flag was flown in Indian River County in honor of the centennial celebration and
100 years of Indian River County. Uh we were presented with this flag. The intention was uh it was flown in in honor of our county and I believe it's most appropriate to have it flown on
that day and uh I'd uh just like the consensus of my colleagues that the flag then should be uh as along with this proclamation be duly fitted and on public display
here in the Indian River County Chambers or in the most appropriate place sounds wonderful. Yeah, I think that would be very and we thank uh uh Senator Scott for
thinking of us and making this possible. Absolutely. Yes. Anything else you want to add to the I just want to see the baggie. Hold up the baggie with the flag in it or the flag. Do you have the No, I have it. It's It's
It's in a box. Okay. It's boxed. Okay. Um, it's the, uh, the honorable way that a flag is distributed, transported. It is not folded in military fashion. Okay. But my intention is that it will be
flown on that day and then we would uh place it in a a suitable frame uh with the proclamation and have it for our citizens to be able to appreciate and reflect on this great day and the
future. Perfect. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I have a question, Michelle. When is the everybody's going to put everything in the time capsule at the celebration? No. So, the original plan was everything was supposed to be given to me by June 16th,
which was yesterday. I have until next Monday, um to because once you give it to me, I need to preserve it before I put it in the time capsule. So, by next Monday, um which is I think the 23rd, um that's that's the deadline. I really need everything by then. So that way I
can get it encapsulated during that week. And then when are we going to install the time caps? June 30th. June. On June 30th. Okay. At the flag pole. Yes. And the time capsule is huge. So I do have a lot of room to put more things
in it. Um if somebody has a flag that they want to put in there for the county, I have that. Um I have ordered a flag that has the county and the Centennial logo on it. Um, but when the time capsule came, the measurements on the on the website were not as big as I
thought. And so now I can put actually probably, if you want to have a visual, I could probably put about five keyboards in the time capsule and still have space left. So the things that I've had donated um are only taking up about
a quarter of the space for it. So, we have lots of room and and so I've put it out there for the community if they want to donate certain things. No electronics, no alcohol, no liquids. We want to have things paper, photos,
things of that nature. Fantastic. Yes, this is it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want y'all to join me in acknowledging Michelle's work over the past year. This has been uh quite a lift for her. Um, and I want to thank Cindy Emerson and Ashley Brown for supporting
her. Marie Ram Cassoon upstairs in the administration office. Um, yes, she was kind of volunttoled, but we knew that it would be done with pride and passion and she was the right person for the job. And of course, I always say if you want something done right, give it to a librarian. And so, thank you, Michelle.
Thank you. I just want to also thank Michelle. She's brought a lot of energy and passion to this to ensure that the celebration. This centennial celebration has been very befitting of the community and her hard work and the number of hours that she's put in and the
dedication is just admirable. We certainly appreciate all that you've done to guide us through this celebration. Thank you. Anything else? Wonderful. Well, once again, we'll be having that proclamation uh presented
again at the flag pole. Can we take a picture of it now? And most certainly of the flag. No, of you guys with the proclamation. Certainly. Certainly, Ashley. Wow. No, I wanted this picture. You going to hold up the
flag, too? No. No. It's inappropriate to display the flag the way it is. Spot. Yes. Oh, would you want to want to hold the proclamation? All right. Thank you. Thank you once
again. The right one. Yes. I think and happy anniversary once again. All right. Well, we will now move on to meeting of
April 22nd, 2025. You've all reviewed them approved. And that's a motion by Vice Chairman Law, seconded by myself. Any further discussion? All in favor?
Opposed? Motion carries unanimously and then we'll move on to the regular meeting minutes of May the 6th, 2025. Okay, we have a motion by Vice Chairman Law, seconded by Commissioner Adams. Any further discussion?
All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries. We'll now move on to the uhformational items and well we have a uh a SWID uh statement and closure. Um
Sue, would you like to uh talk a little bit about it so the folks are well informed as we're coming on to the Fourth of July uh celebration week. And uh without further ado, good morning.
Let's talk about some waste enclosures. That's right. I'm going to let Jill speak to this. Hi, Jill Brown, recycling specialist. Yes. The typical way we do a holiday is they skip one day and that's Fourth of July happens to be on a Friday. So, there'll be no service on
Friday and those that have service on Friday will be picked up on Saturday. And that's pretty much an easy one. And the landfill and the convenience centers will also be closed on Friday. And all convenience centers will be closed on Friday. and the landfill. And uh then
the landfill will resume on Saturday. On Saturday. And as far as uh your regular pickups, there is a little variance on it. Yep. And folks can go to the website. Yep. And uh see where because
some municipalities just eliminate that next day because they have two pickups. Yes. So they do it to the next pickup. Correct. Correct. Yes, but everybody in unincorporated in Union River County has just the one pickup. So, they'll not be
picked up on Friday, but be picked up on Saturday. So, we will have pickup. It'll just be a one day delay. Yep. In in unincorporated Indian River County. Yep. Okay. Okay. Thank you. At this time, uh, if there's anybody in
the audience that wishes to speak, uh, or have public comment on any agenda related items except for the public hearings, it's now your opportunity. I guess everybody plans to stay until the end. That's great. Well, thank you.
You wish to speak now. You can't speak from there. If you do want to speak, you need to come to the podium, ma'am. I just didn't understand what you is this the time we speak about the increase on the waste management.
Well, we're going to do that at the end towards the end of the meeting. Yes. Then you can have input at any time. This is your opportunity or we have another opportunity when we're actually doing the item. I just offer that opportunity in case
someone can't stay. Thank you. We'll now move on to the consent agenda. You most certainly can take take the opportunity. That's come up to the podium and say for No worries. That's all right. Welcome.
Barbara Parenti. I'm um I live in Harmony Reserve HOA off of 33rd Street. Um everybody there has a problem with waste
management delivering all of these huge trash and garbage cans. They've dropped them off and we have no I live in a small house, a villa,
small garage and we have no place to put them. So, um I called up Waste Management and they can't pick them back up. They said we have to keep them until after October.
So, I'm wondering what do I do with three 95gallon trash cans if we have a hurricane? If we, in other words, I can't store them anywhere. And there's a lot of people in
the small houses that have no room. So, they're all like lined in the street. So, well, we appreciate your input and I think when we get to that item, um, we'll be discussing that, but I
understand that you can't say stay. So, we appreciate hearing that from you now and we'll take that into consideration when we get to that item. Well, it's just that a a lot of the people have the small houses. We have a onecar garage that
fits a small car, right? So, I'm barely have the small cans in there. So, I cannot even I there's no way I can put in a large can. And then they're going to give us the they gave us the recycling. They're going to give us next
month the um waste management or waste yard waste, which we don't need because we're in an HOA. We don't need those cans. And then there's the trash. So, that's three. And so, that's that's the problem. Well,
we will be discussing that later. And there's an opportunity to reduce what we can the the number of cans that you have based on your relationship with the HOA. Yeah, they said we could tra we could trade them to a smaller one, but we have
to wait till January, which is No, it won't be January. It's going to be far sooner. Okay. Hopefully. Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for expressing your concern on this. Thank you. Anyone else?
Hello, my name is Joy and um Joy Royce and um I am with the HOA, another HOA with very similar concerns. Very small garages, way too many containers coming. We can't get them in because the garage is so small the car won't fit in. And of
course, like every HOA, we say we don't want to see your garbage cans. So, we're trying to be lenient, but we're hoping it's just for a short period of time. Like you said, you're going to try to bump that time up. I know I've talked with Sue and Jill. Um have the letter from Mr. H. I don't know how to pronounce his name and I know what's
going to be presented later, but I wanted you to know that I'm sure there's that the two of us, you know, she's from a different, you know, community, but I think we all have the same issues. And I thank you for your time
and consideration. Thank you. Thank you. Your comments will be part of the discussion that we have in relation to the concern of the containers. Thank you. No one else. Well, let's move on to the
consent agenda. Uh, I'd like to uh pull um item 9 L lema for discussion. Is there any interest on any other
consent agenda items? Yes. Uh 9E echo. 9E echo. Yes, sir. Okay. So we have with that we have a motion motion to amend.
Second. Was that a motion to approve as amended? Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes. Thank you, sir. Thank you. By Commissioner Eman, seconded by Commissioner Adams. Any further discussion?
All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries unanimously. With that, uh, Commissioner Moss, you pulled item 9E. Yes. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. Uh, 9E is acceptance of amended sponsorship from Cleveland Clinic for Centennial Celebration, and the
amendment was from 10,000 to $5,000. I had voted against the original um sponsorship, and I I'm not in favor of this. just encouraging them to spend uh every penny they have on patient care as
I know that uh hospitals are strapped these days. Thank you. All right. I'll be happy to make a motion to approve and I'll be happy to second it. There's a third already. Okay. I think
that's well covered. We have a motion by Commissioner Adams, seconded by myself. And any further discussion? All in favor? I oppose. Opposed? Nay. Motion carries 4 to one with
Commissioner Moss dissenting. Item item nine, El Lima, is the engineering and design of the 32nd Avenue, 43rd Place, and 44th Street in Gford neighborhood regarding the Gford
neighborhood plan and the uh movement on the project. Uh I just wanted to pull this in full disclosure to ensure that the public is fully informed as the endeavors that are taking place. This is a long overdue project that uh has taken
several turns and I I believe uh AI if you'd like to uh talk about why we're here and where we're going. Absolutely. Good morning honorable commissioners. AI Javied public works director here to talk about 32nd Avenue and the design
and engineering effort that we're going to be undertaking based on the guidance and the consensus we got from the commission back in March and April. So what we're looking to do is we're looking to move forward with the engineering and design. We're going to look at some paving options for 32nd
Street and 43rd place. And in addition to that, we're also going to look at rightway impacts, whether that includes, you know, taking any additional rightway or looking at some easements from the the abuing property owners. And in addition to that, we're also going to be
looking at permitting and drainage issues. Obviously, just like I mentioned at the at the last presentation that, you know, we may not be able to completely eliminate all the the flooding and the drainage issues, but we will be working closely with the
engineers and with the water management districts to look at all the options and I'll be happy to answer any other questions. But that's the plan. And the schedule, proposed schedule at least for the engineering and design is anywhere from four to 6 months. But we're going
to try to see if we can expedite that. So you're going to push it to three months. We're going to try our best to see what we can do to expedite it, sir. Okay. And then the work will begin. Absolutely. That's that's the the intent is once we have the engineering plans,
we will be taking it out for bid, either bid or, you know, work with the contractor and get it constructed if everything pans out. But that's the plan. But even before that, our plan is also to bring it back to the commission with the final recommendation before we move forward. So you can also look at it
and you know I guess in full disclosure also be able to share it with the community. Thank you. Yes sir. Mr. Chair, may I questions? Yes. May I make a comment? Um we we don't own any
of the land. So I appreciate Mr. Jabad's desire to expedite and put it out to bid, but I do think we need to the the private property owners have a lot of rights and we can't just go
put do a project without going through some sort of acquisition process. So, I was I just want to make sure that that's clear in the timeline and I don't believe that's the intention. This is uh this was part of the gifted neighborhood plan that was
committed and then pushed off because of that factor. Uh again, uh the 32nd Avenue, uh we had the opportunity to place some device in
there, uh for uh utility, for drainage, and at that point it produced a challenge uh for navigation on the roadway. uh as it the earth about it,
the uh the unpaved earth erodess and then the device becomes a um it becomes a traffic impedment and could create damage to vehicles. I believe at
that point we made the commitment and we also uh more or less even though it's a private street it became a local street because we put in
something that we created and I think we're obligated to do something with it. I understand that uh people have property rights and uh by no no means is the intention to dissuade from uh that
commitment of property rights and uh as as far as if I understand it as far as taking just property just at will uh that's that's not anybody's intention here. I don't believe that was the
intention uh during the Gford neighborhood plan. I was just going to ask for clarification based on Jennifer's. My understanding is this is going to go out for basically engineering and design. They're going to look at those property um issues as far
as right of way needed depending on what the design and depending on what St. John says about storm water and drainage I'm assuming. and then you will bring that back to us cuz I'm sure there'll be some decisions that will have to be made. Um, and then it will it'll go out
to bid. That's normally I'm assuming that's how it was work. I think but I appreciate you pointing that out just for clarification. Clarify and and and certainly our office will be as cooperative as we can to try to and I think we talked about the right-of-way constraints along the way with this
project. Um, and and I mean it is very constrained. So I think there will be when the design comes back, there probably will need to be a conversation. So I look forward to that. But I would just say I know everybody's anxious to get it done. But based on
what it's going to take to get it done, I would just encourage the engineer to take the ample time um to make sure it's a it's a good well-designed project and not just a quick design project. I just wanted clear that it's not the intention
uh that I I interpreted that it was a steamrolling of people's property and people's rights. This is a compliment that will be steamrolling asphalt in the most appropriate fashion and with people's property rights in mind. That's
what it's all about. Right. Absolutely. I also wanted to kind of uh emphasize what uh county attorney and then commissioner Adams added that I think if you can maybe encourage the the residents living along 32nd and 43rd place to work with us, you know, we may be able to expedite it because obviously
the sooner we can start those conversations, the easier it would be to basically begin the acquisition process. That would be just a humble request if if that makes sense. Thank you. Yes, sir. Fabulous.
Do we need a We need a motion to move approval. Second. We have a motion by Commissioner Adams, seconded by myself. Any further discussion? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you,
Commissioners. Thank you, sir. Next item is item 11A, which is an ordinance establishing a one-year temporary moratorum on zoning changes and comprehensive plan amendments in the
Oslo, Florida study area. Good morning, Mr. Chair, fellow commissioners. How are you? So today before you you have the actual legal mechanism that places the temporary moratorum the ordinance for the one year that actually puts a pause
on any zoning and land use changes. Uh it stills allows everybody's private property rights to be able to develop under their current land use and zoning. We don't restrict that. The only thing that we restrict is any changes to the current land use and zoning. Uh this was presented to you on May 20th, 2025 when
we did the Oslo corridor study presentation and then out of that recommendation was to move forward with the one-year temporary moratorum and this is just this mechanism to move forward. Thank you. You're welcome. Any questions
of staff? N yes. Um can you um explain the process by which this will take place? So how the how will this ordinance be implemented? I know it's about future land use. Are you going to come back to
us? I'm wondering is I I'm hoping there's going to be enough give and take uh between your department and county commission and also including the community that during this year long moratorum you know we'll have an
opportunity to review different options with you and your department. Sure. Um the whole process for the actual Oslo corridor is not finished and that we have that whole year to be able to design the corridor. Out of the preliminary uh public input that we had,
we have started doing the framework and the draft skeleton of that Oslo corridor. There'll be more public meetings to come which will be notated on our website. will also do a constant contact like we always do to send out uh all of the ample amount of time for residents to come and and give their
support and feedback on the actual corridor. So that'll be the actual design. Uh the intention for the moratorum is just to put a pause in place so that nothing haphazardly designs while we're designing this corridor. Uh it's the intention of the planning department to actually make it
uh less restrictive for the uses. So, we're allowing more uses in the area than what's currently there and that are complimentary and also uh to all of the existing uses. Do you have a timeline in mind for this? Uh I don't have a
timeline in mind yet because it would take this ordinance going into effect and for the year for me to build out that timeline. Okay. All right. Thank Thank you for that. So this this ordinance locks
everything where it's at for one year. That's correct. Councelor, is the moratorum renewable? My recommendation is that we go no longer than a year on a moratorum. I
understand that people's existing um zoning rights are intact and in place during this moratorum so they can this and this applies to changes but it I think it we get into a really risky area if we go over a year from a Bert Harris
standpoint. Is it renewable? No. Well, my advice is no. Again, I understand advice would be not, but well, is it renewable? Can can you extend a moratorium? Is that your
question? Yes. Moratoriums have been extended past a year. We deal with it with the bio solids moratorium and we've done it for four years. And and and I understand your comment. I
I can only give you the the advice that I give you which is that I I I don't recommend you go over a year and I think that's because this is a zoning related growth management moratorum versus a not spreading bioolids around impaired
waterways mortorium but with the threat of the um possibility of a Bert Harris and it's only because the language of Bert Harris is just so slippery. Exactly. Yes. Thank you. Is this a public hearing that we have to Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. You want
to run the meeting? Yeah, sure. Okay. Anything further? This is a public hearing and we'll open up the public hearing. Is there anybody would like to speak regarding this ordinance? Having given ample opportunity for
anyone to come forward for comment, we'll close the public hearing. Commissioners. I'll be happy to move approval. Second. We have a motion by Commissioner Adams, seconded by uh
Commissioner Eman. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Item 11B is the fiscal year 2025 grant
application for capital and operating assistance section 5307 and the bus replacement section 5339 uh from the Federal Transit Administration.
Good morning. Good morning. Uh hello uh Mark Vitz. Oh sorry Ryan. Thank you Mr. Chair. Brian Sweeney, assistant planning development service director. Uh Brian Freeman is out on a well-deserved vacation. Mark Beats, our senior planner with NPO will present. We also have Karen Deagle and Chris Stevenson with
Senior Resource Association here to answer any questions. Take it away, Mark. Thank you. Sorry, I'm just so excited to be here with you all. Um this morning I have to discuss with you a uh 1249 US code section 53072A
grant. Uh it's an urbanized formula fund. Um, can everyone hear me? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Wonderful. Um, I'm going to break it up into a few smart small parts. Uh, first I'm going to discuss how the system set up, who our partners
are, uh, what the service you currently get is. Um, we'll then go into some performance metrics, and what's in the grant itself. So, here in Indian River County, we have, uh, kind of three legs of the
stool. We have the county itself. The county is the direct recipient of Federal Transit Administration and FDOT funds. Uh then we have a service uh agreement with um the senior resource association. They've been the transit
operators since 2000. And then we have the MO which is housed within county staff and we manage uh the grants, submit grants, uh provide oversight to senior resource association and then there's the fun part which is the funding. Um the vast majority of our
funding comes from the Federal Transit Administration. Uh we primarily work through region 4 staff in Atlanta, Georgia and then FDOT. FDOT provides public transit block grants, section 5311 service development and corridor
funding. We also have the Commission for Transportation Disadvantaged. The CTD provides funding for our uh door-to-door service uh also known as community coach. Uh the current go line which is a 14 route fixed route service uh it's fair
free operates uh between 6 am and 900 pm Monday through Friday and 7 a.m. to 700 p.m. on Saturday. On Saturday, Route 15, which is an express route down to Indian River State College, does not operate. Um 51% of the county's population lives
within a quarter mile of the current GO line system. Uh and 84% live within 3/4 of mile. We have really great route coverage and we have five hubs uh where the buses meet either at the top of the hour or the the half hour and you can have seamless transfers. So, it's a
really efficient system. talking about the accessibility and the ability to have those um great transfers and the ability that it's free uh or fair free I should say means that there's a lot of ridership and when we look around to the rest of the country uh there roughly 800 public transit
agencies um a lot of folks are still struggling with the effects of co 19 and having low ridership numbers we've been really fortunate um and that our ridership's grown and I think what that shows is that uh the systems needed and utilized
kind of going back to the 207 2018 transit development plan um major update, we found that 70% of the rider base makes less than $10,000 a year. And so we have this need and uh last year you all provided some additional funds
to extend service. Um and so that also means that we have an ability to grow our ridership. We get more money when we have larger ridership as well. Um, and then to that point in 2023 when we had our last five-year update to the transit
development plan, one of the main goals was to try to get to 1.5 million riders by 2030. Um, we're on pace to do 1.35 this year. And if the trend continues, we'll actually hit that trend or hit that number of 1.5 million annual riders
by 2027, a few years ahead of schedule. Um, one thing that we're really proud of uh at the county and at Senior Resource Association is that we try to be good stewards of uh public dollars or custodians um of those dollars. And the
GO line has the lowest uh cost per uh oper or lowest passenger cost per sorry lowest operating expense per passenger trip um in the state. It's been number one or number two for the the last 10 years. Um Gainesville's been very close,
but after COVID kind of to that larger trend of uh seeing some decline in ridership, um we've really surpassed them. The other two items that are on your screen that are in green um are St. Lucy County and Martin County. Those are kind of our our peers. Um St. Lucy
County has seen the success that go lines had with the fair free model um and has adopted that. And then Martin County recently um saw a senior resource association doing the fantastic work that they do and decide to hire them on June 1st to take over their fix route
operations. Um but again kind of custodians of the the public's trust and the public's dollar. Um, I'm really proud to stand before you guys and highlight the work that Senior Resource Association does of making that uh value for money count.
So, what do I have for you all in the grant or I should say we have for you all in the grant? Um, it's a total of $7 million in federal funds. Uh, of that, uh, 6.5 million is section 5307 money. That's kind of the the big dollar
amount. And then there's also section 5339 which is specifically for capital. Um in the capital assistance uh you have money for five new buses, 10 new bus shelters. Um maintenance money uh for vehicles. So that's everything from
lubricant to paying for um oil changes uh on site of the transit maintenance facility. Computers, 1% needs to go to security per statute. And then there's also additional money for the transit maintenance uh building expansion. And that item was actually on the agenda
today for the initial scope of work with Shuly Bidd and Stoddard as uh item 9I. Um the nice thing is that capital money has no local match. Uh it's matched with toll revenue credits from FDOT.
Additionally, we do have operating assistance. This is what actually keeps the the buses on the road. And uh it's $2.5 million of federal money. Uh we then match that with existing FDOT uh grants uh specifically public
transportation block grants uh 5311 and service development. And then we match that with uh also currently budgeted uh county general fund dollars. So, uh, you all put in $1 and it turns into four. Um, which is a great, I think a great
value. Um, and we are looking for a recommendation. Um, we do have a resolution for you that's required to go in the application to Federal Transit Administration. And of course, uh, Karen Deagle from the Senior Resource Association and Chris Stevenson, uh,
also from SRRA are here if you have additional questions that I may not be able to answer. Any questions? Got their own microphone. All right. Anything further? This is a public
hearing. Open up to public hearing. Any Good morning. I'm Karen Deagle. I'm CEO of Senior Resource Association. Mark, thank you for that presentation. Well done. Um I just want to say thank you to all of you for the support that you've provided us in the past. Uh the dollars
that are on the table today of course are the operating and the uh uh capital dollars that we use to provide the services and as you all know my passion with transit is making sure that uh transportation is never a barrier to quality of life in our community. So
appreciate your support and the work that we do with the no the partnerships that we have. Well thank you Miss Deagle. Um I I have to say that in looking at the list and and reviewing all that we've been
compared to Indian River are being compared to 28 jurisdictions that are running mass transit local transit and
operating the goal line at 10% of the value of the highest which I believe in Okaloosa. Um I they must have very nice buses or know the operation, but I think it's a a
tremendous reflection on how you and your team operate the goal line in a very efficient, conservative fashion. Thank you. So I want to thank you. You all hear about the garbage cans. No one else.
Having given the ample opportunity, we'll close the public hearing. Commissioners, Mr. Chairman, in my wildest dreams, I've said this before. You all have heard me say that that that any river county would have a million riders and now we're approaching
one and a half million riders in the next few years. I just find that amazing. And yet, like you just said, to be so efficient is incredible. And u it's just uh it's hard to believe. And I want to thank Chris, Karen, all our NO
guys, Brian, Mark, everybody. Ryan, the whole crew for doing the job they do. So, I'll make a motion to approve staff recommendation. Second. Thank you, uh, Commissioner. Um, and I'm honored to second. I just want to
reflect that some 30 years ago, five 15 passenger vans that had no regular route, no schedule. Um, they they wrote about looking for people standing about or calling in for
transportation and that's what we had. And those 15 passenger vans are all gone. And we have wonderful buses and bus service. And I think we're grateful that
we're granted from the federal government to ensure that we have the best in service and a great operating mechanism known as the SRA.
Anything further? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carried unanimously. We now move on to the local provider participation fund uh approval. Um
we're going to have a brief presentation by our counselor. Good morning. Good morning, Commissioner. Susan Prao, deputy county attorney on behalf of Indian County Attorney's Office. Yes, this morning I am bringing to you the local provider participation fund approval. Um this is brought to you and
has been brought to you annually since 2021 when the initial um program was enacted here. And uh this is essentially the same exact thing we've asked for in the last couple years where we approve uh basically the taxation of of the uh
different hospitals in the area. That money then gets sent up to I think it is the state or wherever it gets sent to. it gets smashed and gets sent back and it essentially helps the hospital cover some of those areas I think where they're lacking some funds. Um so at this point this is a a public hearing.
Um I do have attached here too for you. You will see um there is a directed payment program letter of agreement. I want to bring note to this because this is the letter of agreement from last year that was signed by who was then Commissioner Adams as chairwoman. Um
this will be updated in September. This particular item is being brought to the county commission early this year um in anticipation and in light of some legislation that is due to uh slated to go into effect I believe July 1. Um so I was asked to bring this item earlier by
the um entities that deal with the local participation fund who are here today. Um, so we are asking that the board of county commissioners open the public hearing um on this item that you consider it, close the public hearing and either vote to approve and sign the
resolution or deny. Um, at the I would ask with that though that once the directed payment program letter of agreement does come in in September fully updated. Mind you, the only changes will be the amount and the year um that that be executed at that time or
if the board wishes, I can bring it back that just itself agreement back at a later time. But just approve the changes and the increases for the amounts for this year in the resolution. I don't have anything further unless anyone has questions for me. Does anyone have any
questions? Okay. At this time, we will open up the public hearing as required. Good to see everyone again. Good morning. Uh thank you so much for your support over the last several years. Uh this will now be the fifth year that this is before the board of county
commissioners. Uh just as a brief reminder, this program helps the hospitals receive greater reimbursement for Medicaid services. So historically, Florida's hospitals received only 60 cents on the dollar in reimbursement when they were providing care for those
who are low income and who have a qualifying disability or condition. Over the last several years, the program has helped the hospitals get up to about 80 cents on the dollar. And this year it's the first opportunity that the state is pursuing allowing hospitals to access a
net result of full reimbursement. So a full dollar fordoll so that their Medicaid services are no longer causing them to lose money every time they form a procedure. And so we are trying to move a little earlier this year. Uh there are some contemplated changes at
the federal level that would essentially freeze in place whatever level of reimbursement the state had been receiving at the time that this new budget becomes final. And so to ensure the hospitals don't miss the chance to get access to that full dollar fordoll
reimbursement. We're moving now. Uh so a little earlier than we normally see you. I think normally we're in September. Uh but same program only the hospitals are paying this assessment. No one in in the county receives a bill and it does help the hospitals take care of all citizens
regardless of income. Thank you. Yeah. And we have uh representatives here from the Cleveland Clinic and uh from Orlando Health. Um if they'd like to say just a few words. Delighted to hear from Good morning, chair, commissioners, uh
county attorney, county minister. Thank you. Uh just want Cortez Watley, Orlando Health. I just wanted to echo what Colleen said and uh say thank you for your support of this item over the years and also um considering it today a little bit early ahead of schedule, but
again this helps us focus on uh patient quality of care and improving those as we continue to invest in our hospital. So just wanted to say I appreciate you considering this item and thank you. Thank you.
Hi. Uh Joseph Fucci, I'm from the Cleveland Clinic for Indian River. Um I'll echo the exact sentence sentiments of everyone here. Uh the funding, the match helps us to be able to provide the best level of care we can keep improving the quality of care that we provide for our patients in this county. Um and
provide that access for anyone that wants to see wants to receive care. Um it's an important endeavor and I'm glad that the team was be able to bring it forward. Again, as it was stated a little earlier than than usual. Thank you. Thank you.
Anything else? No further comments. Public hearing closed. Commissioners, move to approve the local provider participation fund resolution and the FY2526
letter of agreement. Second. We have a motion by Commissioner Moss, seconded by myself. Any further discussion? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you,
Commissioners. Thank you. We now move on to uh county administrators uh actions and we have a request from the Indian River Mosquito Control District
to use the commission chambers uh on either October 1st, 2025 or October 15, 2025. Kenny administrator. Yes, Mr. Chair, members of the board, uh, consistent with the recently adopted policy, this
item requires the board, since the the Indian River Mosquito Control District is requesting use commission chambers, it requires the board to grant permission. We'll turn to the board. Have we checked the schedule to ensure
understanding both of those dates are available? There is no conflict. Yes. Any discussion? Move approval. Second. That's a motion by Commissioner and seconded by Commissioner Moss. Any further discussion? All in favor?
Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Uh we will be once again we'll be deferring item 12B and C uh to the very end of this meeting. So
we move on. Uh the next item will be uh special districts and boards. And would you like to take a break first? Okay. A break has been requested and we'll be satisfied.
One more to go. Here we go. The border county commission's meeting will now be called back to order. Um, thank you for our understanding. We'll now move on to the solid waste disposal district. Item 16B1 is the approval of
the SWID meeting minutes of April 8th, 2025. That's a motion by Vice Chairman Law, seconded by myself. Any further discussion? All in favor?
Opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Item 16B2 is a request to amend the solid waste and recyclables collection franchise agreement between SWID and Waste Management Incorporated of
Florida. Good morning, Commissioner. Sean Le, the director of Department of Utility Services. Um, as you all well know, uh, the director or the managing director of the solid waste disposal district, manua, is out on, uh, paternity leave.
He recently had a young young boy and we congratulate him on that. And so, I'm going to do my darnest to fill in for him. Um, and we'll see where we kind of go. I know there's a lot of interest in this topic today. And so, hopefully we'll we'll set the stage and we'll kind of get through this. But, we do have a
short short presentation. Um as you all know in in May of 2024 um you know the commission voted to go to universal collection and then in that later that year in July we entered into an agreement with waste management. We went through a long um you know RFQ process
um and selected waste management as the eventual awardee uh for that franchise agreement. And it is a 10-year agreement with them um that that starts here come October 1. And you know, part of that agreement, and I and I want to I want to kind of emphasize this a little bit.
This is a new agreement. This is a new 10-year agreement that we have. And I think fortunately, we were fortunate in this to actually continue with Waste Management. Waste WM is our current provider and they were awarded the new contract. Um if we were going to a new
contractor and and they were not h did not happen to be it, we would be in a similar situation. And so we need to understand that we are entering a new contract come October. And so with that um there is a lot that goes along with it. And one of the biggest things of that was um the the current contract has
um a an expiration for the carts. So the carts all have a warranty period and that warranty period was 10 years kind of ran with the the length of that contract. The warranty period on those carts has expired. And as part of this new contract and as part of the new RFQ, we required everyone to to put in
proposals associated with replacing all of the carts um within Indian River County at the start of this new contract. And so part of that, and I understand we're having some some issues and concerns associated with that, and we're going to kind of try to address that here this morning. And so what we
got is a proposal to you today is to what we've heard, and we've got a lot of of calls, and I know you all have received a lot of calls. um as hasu and and many of the staff at solid waste um as well as WM have received a number of calls associated with a couple of
things, right? Primarily the cart sizes um for recycling and the yard waste carts and the size of the yard waist carts, the 95gallon yard waist carts. And so what we're here today to try to do is to address those concerns and bring forth a couple of amendments to
try to minimize the impacts as best we can because part of this part of this new contract is delivering WM and we have a number of representatives from WM with us this morning is responsible for delivering over 200 it's around 200,000 carts I believe in total throughout the
county. Um, and that's a that's a large undertaking. And so to try to do that is is a significant task and we do appreciate their willingness to work through these issues with us and we feel like we've come to some pretty good compromises. Um, it may not be ideal, it
may not be perfect, but we feel um, we've reached some good compromises this morning. So um, kind of jump right into this. Well, initially I want to start by saying, you know, the process initially is is in June and July they're delivering the recycling carts. Then in
August they're del they'll be delivering the the yard waste carts and then in September their plan is to be start delivering and replacing the garbage carts. But what we understand again is is that there's been a large um particularly with HOAs and you heard earlier some of the individuals speak
about it concern about delivery of these these large um 98 or 95gallon garbage carts for um yard waste. And so, you know, what we have talked to talked with uh waste management about is particularly associated with homeowners
associations is that they have agreed that the the homeowner associations will have the ability to eliminate yard waste cards from their community. Um there's some caveats and there's some restrictions that kind of go along with that. And so the exemption applies throughout the initial term of the
franchise agreement as well as any if there's a universal extension of that. Um basically the initial agreement I believe is is five years. Is that right? And then um there's two two extensions beyond that. So the exemption will be
throughout the term of the agreement that we have with WM. They can't um decide to be exempt today and then a year from now say no, we like the carts. Um once that decision has been made, it's going to extend throughout the term of the agreement. um they must notify WM
no later than July 15th of the desire to be exempt with the final number and specific location of homes that would be exempt. So they would need to provide us with the numbers of homes um and the homeowners association that that would like that exemption. Um customers who reside in the HOA will not be allowed to
transfer the exemption credit towards an additional trash cart. So in other words, there is an ability to get an additional trash cart, but they cannot take that. If they if they are eliminating the garbage car, the the yard waste cart, they can't then in turn ask for an additional trash cart. Um,
and then for the exemption to be granted, it must apply to the entire HOA. Individual homes within the HOA cannot extra be exempted separately. Um, so kind of a couple of restrictions apply to that. Um, with that, um, in
exchange, WM had agreed to provide an equal number of additional yard carts as a second cart to residents who request them. Um, and so, kind of at the very bottom, you see an example. In other words, if an HOA has a 100 homes and they say, "We we do we do not want the
garbage carts or these yard wastist carts, sorry, the yard wastist carts." Um, they can say, "Hey, we don't want them. Uh, waste management will not deliver a hundred of those carts." And in return, if somebody else has elected to say, "Hey, I I I would like an
additional yard waste cart," they can call and ask for that. And you know, up to an additional ones will be provided. Uh again, well, the delivery charge is free of charge, but the individual receiving that yard waste cart will need to agree to um the $10 per month lump
sum payment, and that's a lump sum payment of $120. So, they would have to pay the $120 upfront um for the collection of that yard additional yard waste cart. Um but they would actually get the the delivery of that and the cost of that cart waved. So, and that
that cost is about $100. So, it' be saving themselves $100 if they request that additional um cart. And so, that's kind of the issue. Um they are they are suggesting that that offer um will start October 1st. So, if the HOAs come and
say, "Hey, we don't want these yard wastist cars delivered." And again, however many that is, uh, WM is is extending that for up to a year. So, until September 30th, 2026, people can call and request an additional yard waste cart and wave that $100 uh
delivery and cost. Um, so that's that's kind of the the initial proposal that we have before you today. Um and then the second part of that is we understand that you know many people are are concerned about the delivery of the 65gallon
uh which is the initial delivery of what we're going to be delivering is a 65gallon excuse me recycling cart. And so we've heard many people are concerned about that. Many people today already have smaller recycling carts and you know are concerned about the delivery of this
larger size. And so initially within the contract WM had said they would start taking um swap out requests come January 2nd 2026. Well in negotiations and discussions with them they have actually moved that
up to people can now request beginning on August 1st. They can actually send in requests for that exchange. Um so we don't have to wait till January 2nd. They can start requesting. However, that swap and that exchange program won't actually start until October 1st. So,
while they can call and start requesting those requests um as early as August, the exchange won't happen until sometime um beginning in October. And I say sometime beginning October because it's not necessarily I called on August 1st, therefore on October 1st I'm going to
get my cart swapped out. um they're actually starting to they'll be re receiving those requests and the issue is they're going to be kind of having to try to figure out how they deliver those carts, how they manage that. And so somebody who calls on August 1, it may
not be until mid October, maybe not be until the, you know, later in the year that they get those those cards swapped out because of, you know, kind of trying to schedule that and manage that and making sure that the routes are set up appropriately and they're not going over here and then across the county to
deliver one over there. They're going to basically try to create routes. And so as they receive the calls, they'll start scheduling those, creating routes, and they will deliver those based off of those routes. Um, and so the concern that we have is though they were
planning on that January. So moving that up, there is going to be a charge. Um, and that charge is approximately $2,000 per workday that they have to go out and and deliver these carts before before January. And what we have agreed to and
what they have agreed to is a dollar for-doll swap. Um so let's say that that end they end up that it cost us $140,000 rather than us paying out $140,000. The the contract um contract language includes language about administrative
fees for cert certain things like late pickups um missed pickups, things like that. And so uh what they have agreed to is that they would it's basically a a credit for that. And so they would get however how much cost they would get a
credit let's say it's $140,000 they would get a credit of $140,000 against those administrative charges. So we would basically be deducting that as they get administrative charges. We would be deducting that from that credit um until that credit is fully used up.
Um and that's the agreement we have with them. So that that kind of is is a summary. What we are asking today is for you all to um approve of these these changes and um allow us to return at a future board meeting to ratify the amendment and working with the county
attorney's office to create the amendment um that addresses these concerns and then we return at a later meeting to actually approve that amendment. But what we are asking for today is your approval to approve of those those changes. And with that, I would be happy to answer any questions
and would be happy to take public comment. Sean, you did Hamachu proud. I'm sure he's watching TV, but I'm sure he's watching because he takes his business very seriously. Absolutely. But thank you. Uh with that, uh you
mentioned uh we've we might have heard. Yes, we do get a lot of calls and uh I I could say that and either that or when we're shopping or endeavoring throughout the the county. I trust my colleagues
are getting approached uh as as I have. Um number one call I I think uh is is regarding the HOAs and the elimination of that third can. It seems to be one of
the largest concerns. There are others. There are other concerns. Why do I have to have this instead of this? I already have this. I want and and again in any transition there's going to be trials and tribulations.
nothing goes unhitchless or well agreed but I have to say that uh the the elimination of the third can for vegetative waste for HOAs that already are paying for service or they have
their own arrangement uh is uh is probably going to satisfy uh quite quite a few as you mentioned you can't satisfy everybody's requests But it this is going to satisfy a large
amount of the concern that extra large can. Third one uh as far as um again when we discuss that the HOA can sign a document and or responsible party
managing entity of that HOA uh signs a document that's the full commitment of everyone who resides within the confines of that establishment. In other words, there is no cherrypicking that it's the entire
HOA that that third can will be eliminated. Correct? Yes. I mean, and it would be the entire the entire HOA. And so, the agreement would be that um however the decision if they were to send in that request, it would be for the entire HOA.
And recognizing though that that that the cost of that will continue to be on the the non-advel nonadalorum tax. So, um, you know, I think it's important to point that out is that that that cost unfortunately is not going away. The carts will not be delivered. They will
not get that service, but that will still show up on the nonadville tax, which was well discussed with uh many of the entities too uh regarding well then we'll be paying for something we're not getting. No, it's your option to opt out
and that the contract is global. It encompasses the the waste uh pickup service and the vegetative waste and the recycling. It's the operation of the vehicles and the men and women who serve
to get that waste removed from a location. That's what the fees are. They're not we're not saying well you if you want to pay this is not a a restaurant menu.
Thank you. Any questions? Yes. Um thank you. The administrative uh charge that you mentioned um that's actually a a fine I guess. Could you define what it is? Yeah, there are certain um within the
contract there are certain expectations that they will pick up car you know obviously they have to pick up garbage and pick up trash, pick up recycling and if those are missed there are admin administrative charges essentially fines for lack of a better term um that that are imposed upon them for missing you
know missing things by a certain day and if we can confirm that that has happened then and and and so we do administer administrative charges to them um on a routine, regular monthly basis. And so that credit would be they would again if
if the total delivery of that was $140,000, it's $2,000 a day. And I I can't tell you today how much that's going to be in the end, just however long it takes them to complete the deliveries. Um, whatever that total comes to, they would get a credit for that. And we would still be charging
them administrative fun administrative charges, but that would then be coming off of that credit. Um, so rather than writing a check to them for whatever that amount is, they would get a credit. Um, and then they would slowly whittle away at that credit as as we issue them
administrative um, charges. Do you know of a what period of time? Um, it's $140,000 worth of administrative charges that that we that we we would be granting a credit then. So you you lose your in a sense it's possible. And I
think waste management does a great job but you know there have been complaints here and there in the past and administrative charges have been levied. It is it is a fine uh operationally in effect. So in in a sense uh we lo you know and everybody needs to understand
this because everything will be swapped out January 1 anyway. So, if we do it sooner, then long term, you're losing your leverage to uh in terms of any future complaints because they're not
paying a fine. Uh it's they're just going to work off a credit. They're still they're still getting paid a you know, they're still being charged, I mean, for administrative fines. They're just working off of a credit until we get that credit paid off. Well,
we're we're granting them $140,000. Is that correct? I don't know. I'm just using that as an example. I don't know what the final cost will be. It's $2,000 a day. Instead of our paying the county paying get writing a check to Waste Management for $140,000.
We're saying that they have a credit, right, toward fines, correct? Or administrative charges if you prefer. Correct. just so so everyone understands going forward you know for the future uh this is what we're talking about. Thank you
Mr. Chair. I think one of the primary concerns that we've all reached are once the uh containers are being delivered, whether they want them or not, the interim of having too many containers, where to store them, uh what to do with
them during storms, who can even help them uh bring them from their roadway to their driveway. has that relationship with waste management and the the managing entities andor uh the HOA presidents if you will is there a
liaison in place do we have uh some type of communications that's available for the HOAS or who is handling that portion are you are you s as far as receiving the requests or working with them on the
the requests themselves yes because some have already received their new ones and they're with two and that seems to be the problem with storage of these containers. Yeah. Um, you know, I I think right now what we're asking is
we're obviously we're in a transition, right? And and and any transition into a new contract is going to have some growing pains and we are asking for everybody to have a little bit of patience with us as we work through some of these issues. Um, but I mean if HOAs have um have inquiries, it's to to reach
out to the solid waste disposal district. I know Hamanchu has been feeling a lot of calls. Um, so certainly reach out to him if if people have questions. I believe there's we have information on our website and a phone number up on our website. Um, we encourage people to check that out and
if they've got concerns, reach out. Um, we certainly are, you know, the staff of the solid waste disposal district are responding and and answering questions and and I'm sure many people here today in the audience can attest to um the response that they get from from Hamachu
and others. Um, they are pretty good at returning calls and responding to any any inquiries that they receive. So, um, as far as a specific liaison, I would not say there is any one specific liaison. um they are all stepping up and and helping out um with with these
questions and concerns as they're as they're brought forth. I don't know if that answers your question entirely, but Oh, we'll we'll find out directly. Sean can and as far as WM goes, um WM, you know, part of the contract was that
they have um a customer care center here locally located. Um, and I believe they're going to have at least two, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think two staff um, here locally, and that that um, office will be opening up here shortly. Um, do you guys have a date of
when that office is so the great news on this is we do already have they started today. They started today. Um, but of course that technology and training we hope to be live locally by September. Okay. a month before the contract. And so we will have
WM will have two specific employees here locally answering calls and responding to to inquiries as well. So um there is a customer care center and when somebody locally calls that customer care center number, they will be directed to to the local office to to field those calls.
And I think we're fortunate to have a local customer care. I don't know how many were involved with the last transition when we originally moved to containerized waste management. Uh there
was a lot of trials and tribulations and the calls were off the hook and some of them very well justified. Um transition is sometimes a larger challenge than anticipated.
But uh the call center was an was out of state and there was no buy in understanding relationship to the geographics of the concern and I think
that has a lot to do with it. So bringing it home is uh uh wellreceived and that was actually one of one of the biggest trials and tribulations was the fact that the the call center was just
so removed from where we are. So thank you to WM for bringing it home. I think this will be a little more seamless of a transition and with the elimination of or the possibility of elimination of an
HOA to eliminate now we just have size concern and deadline concern but I I I think it's we're in a lot better shape this transition than the last one
on somebody that is not in an HOA say it and has a yard service doesn't handle their yard waste. Can they opt out of getting the yard waste cart? Right now, that's not part of what we are asking for in this amendment. This really amendment right now is just
specific to HOAs. Um I I do believe that I mean WM might be able to speak to that a little bit more, but I'll I'll turn it over to Deb. Deb Perez, government affairs WM. So, while they won't have a full exemption
and they won't be exempt from us delivering the cart because we have to deliver to everybody per contract other than if we get this HOA exemption, then we won't deliver theirs. But, so when they deliver it, they just call us up and say, "I don't want this cart. We will go reclaim that cart." So, they're not going to be stuck with it.
because I know that's I' I've failed a lot of phone calls just like my fellow commissioners have and you have and there was a lot of discussion about this about people that not physically that are
elderly maybe that can't handle the size of the carts didn't have a place to put the carts didn't need a third cart there was numerous discussions about that and Um, until I like spoke yesterday with Deb
and really thought about the logistics of this whole thing. I get it what you just said. We're going to have to deliver you the yard cart because we can't ask the delivery guy to go your house gets one. These two houses don't get one right now. You get one, five
next people get one. I mean, it would be it would take them forever to to sort that out. So, everybody's getting one and it's up to them to decide whether they don't want it or not. And does that go the same with the size of the cart? I know the 95gallon garbage cart, there's
no way my next door neighbor two houses down, she doesn't generate a lot of garbage, but still that cart's too big for her. My neighbor and I go over there and we push it out for her right now. So they'll be able to also exchange for a different
size. It's just kind of in the interim. Yeah. You might have additional carts you're not using right now, but it's just the interim. Would that be correct? Yes, sir. It's just an interim. U we've done WM and the solid waste department. We've done uh probably three or four HOA presentations and I think they've been
very productive because they go into this HOA. We think we're going to get beat up. But once we describe the process about how they can handle these and remind them this is a once in a 10y year thing. So this this two shall pass and we shall get through this. So let me
kind of little walk you through the reclaim process because I think we talked about commissioner lure talked about having too many carts in their garages. So what we've done again this is 200,000 carts we're doing throughout the county which is why we had to start in June because there's no way we'd be able to finish it. But what our team
does, of course, we got this third party who's doing it, who's actually scanning serial numbers and associating with addresses. So, our truck, our recycling truck right now, goes out and services it. Um, the first team for for RARIG, who's our vendor, will go out and either
uh deliver the new cart. They're delivering the new cart regardless if an old cart's curbside or not. They're going to deliver the new cart. Shortly behind them is a reclaim team, another truck with a trailer, and they're going and taking that old cart, breaking the wheels off, and stacking it and taking it. So, theoretically, the same day, you
should not have two cars. You should have our team taking one out and one dropping it off, and we should be done. But, you know, it takes a little bit longer for the reclaim process because they're having to break wheels off and do all that. So, they may not catch up totally, but the whole goal is that
we're not leaving a brand new cart, an old cart with the home that's out there. on top of that. So, we're getting about 70% reclaim. So, that means we're, you know, dropping a thousand carts, we're only getting 700 back, 70% reclaim, but
our internal team is going by the following week and driving that same route. And he's been getting about 100 or so carts on the following weekend. And so, we're doing our very best to make sure we reclaim all the carts. and our call center agents have been instructed, yes, you can create a ticket
for removal. If um the customer calls in and say, "Hey, I still have my old cart." They'll issue a ticket and our team will go get it. So, we're doing our absolute best to make sure we don't have too many carts out there for our residents. Anything else? We have a lot of folks that uh came in.
I hope that your questions and concerns and thoughts were answered or addressed. But before we uh move forward with the decision, I'd like to hear from anybody in Please come on up to the podium,
identify yourself, and uh Good morning. My name is Gary Wilbin. Um bear with me. public speaking. It's not my forte. I'd like to address a couple of things. Um my concerns are
different from HOAs. Um if you um look at what my situation is, let's just take up the fact that I have family members that uh live off of $1,800 a month and by the end of the month, they don't have any money. So, we
have to supplement that. Somehow they managed to pay their property taxes, but once you pay make them do the additional $182, I think is that the projection, right? Uh to the non-AD Valerum,
that means I'm going to pay twice because I'm going to have to offset their cost and I don't think I'm alone at all. And yeah, I will still have to go to the transfer st station to take my yard waste because
the the uh um cans are not big enough. And I I understand that I already pay for the landfill feed through that, which by the way, I pay less than half of the amount you're charging me. In other words, you're you're making me
pay an additional 100 uh $120 more a year towards the non-ADV valve and now I'm going to have to do it twice for the family members. Um,
like I said, I still have to go to the transfer station to take yard waste and the, uh, cans can't handle it. And you know, then there's going to be that out there. And from what I understand, uh, twice a week at least, uh, two trucks
roll by and they go up the road one way and then down the road the other way. So that means it makes two passes, right? So that's four passes for uh for just uh recycling and for waste, household
waste. And um not every day of the week there's something coming by for any furniture out front or or any other stuff that's out there that's not part of what could be in the cans. So that means there's
going to be an additional truck for that. And I I I'm assuming that an additional truck for holding furniture, uh, household furniture. And does that mean that they're going to make one run through at the same time? Because the way I understand it is they're going to
they're going to run through the same day as as the others are. So, um, that means additional traffic on the road. Okay. There's 30 houses on my
street. It's a dirt road and that's that's 30 houses times three. There's 90 cans sitting out on the street. Okay? And it looks ugly. And I can guarantee you five or six of them are going to
leave the cans out all week long. They're not going to pull them back in. They bring it back in to fill it up and then they take it back out the front again. That's a concern. Especially if, let's just say you gave me an extra can for yard waste, which I would probably have to have a chipper because I fill up the
back of the pickup truck every weekend. I do it on a weekend with my wife. That makes it easy for us to just go to the transfer station. It cost us a dollar in gas to go to the transfer station or convenience center. And don't my household waste and the the
uh yard waste. Uh, so how is that fair for me to pay an additional $4 a week plus the $1 towards pickup? Pickup that I don't want. Pickup I can handle. By the way, there's family
members that you're going to charge them an additional fee non-adveler. They live 600 feet from a transfer station. Why do they need to have pickup? If they wanted to, they could walk,
drag in a can there and dump it if they wanted to, but they take it in the little vehicle. So, that doesn't make any sense. That's not fair. The word fair gets used a lot in reference to articles written about this. Let's see. Uh, Channel 5, West Palm TV.
I just highlight a couple of things. is talking about the percentages going up and everything. And then they interviewed a woman, her name is Laura Field. She says she's not happy about it. She doesn't understand the rationale for doing this. Residents on a fixed income. Going to look into maybe
bringing the trash recycling to the county landfill. She doesn't understand. She's going to get charged whether she likes it or not. The article says the county maintains the updated systems about efficiency and fairness. There's that word again, fairness. But with many residents feeling the squeeze from rising costs
across the board, this latest increase is leaving a bad taste, isn't it? I talked to people in the neighborhood. I talked to strangers. I talked to them I talked to people who pay for the service already. They don't think it's
right for me to pay basically supplement those who do pay, who don't want to go to the dump. Here's a quote about the that the recycling is going to be 122%. That's that's where I'm at just
for everything. There's a quote. The county is growing and the county commissioner Joe Flesher universal service at this price makes far more sense than subscription because everybody has the opportunity to have the trash removed. I don't want the opportunity to have it removed. I'll
remove it myself. This is also most fair. There's the other word fair. There's that fair again. And it will enhance our recycling program. Well, I can tell you I have been to the cycle the recycling center, not the recycling centers, but to the
convenience center and in the past six months I've been and I have expressed that to you over the phone. um that I've been turned away coming in after 12 because of uh Republic isn't managing it right and I've been turned away just
from yardways and um like I told um oh god what is his name oh uhu metha ma uh if I go up there again and I can't dump it because it's not
managed properly it's going to get dumped. Okay. And also furniture. And I had that discussion uh with him uh that they've been turning people away
for being able to dump their furniture waste. And uh then they started they started bringing in the crusher garbage trucks and throwing it in those. And they weren't supposed to for my discussion. And uh well they're back there doing it
again. I have photos from this past weekend. Both the furniture d uh um containers were empty and there was roped off from be able to dump it. I've watched the weekend before
truckloads of furniture get turned away because it's not being handled properly. And I don't know how much more money they want to be able to handle it, but that's just crazy. My other concern is uh were was the
convenience centers budgeted in the non-ADV valum? Does anybody answer that? Because there's the landfill which is already my cost is just $161 a year. U I've got
a small property. It's not very big. So, are those three uh when I want to think that there's two I can think of already, but there might be a third transfer station that's involved here. There's five. Five. Okay.
Are they budgeted for that additional money that you're asking for for me to pay for for me to supplement those who don't want to go to the dump? Uh, number one question was where was my vote?
I didn't get a vote. So did none of the other people I know, which is never not one conversation with anybody in public, at the bank that I go to at Publix, at the convenience
centers, not one person liked the whole idea. I understand there's a concern, but you know, if you if you'd put this to a vote, you wouldn't be able to vote on it. You you wouldn't be able to do it. You'd have to find another way. And finding another way would be probably talking to Robbie Bracket,
talking to somebody in Tallahassee, get them to get them to come up with it. They're already going to hit us with this crazy idea of because the state's mandate about septic systems. That's a huge cost. And I have yet to get an answer from Tallahassee. Is there going
to be any suppleation? This is not lower for me. This is not at all. This cost is not lower for me. It's it's not fair to me. My parents had a little house in here when my the my last parent died. Um it took eight months to sell the
parents estate. It was a small thing. Had to share it. Wasn't creating any waste though. There are people that have a house listed for a year. Now they're going to get punished on their property tax and they're not creating any waste.
So I think I've said all I can say and I think that should have been I think all that was missed in any discussions and I know you have a job to do. I know there things that have to be decided on. I think it just went around the wrong way.
Thank you for your time. Opinion, sir. One here. Hello. I'm Tom Surat. I'm a resident of Province Bay HOA here in Vero Beach. My wife and I bought new here in 14 new construction. We're very glad we're
a citizen of of Vero Beach. I do recognize a gentleman that I talked to the other day from Waste Management. Um, after we were delivered our uh, blue bin for recycling
at Province Bay, we're required to store our bins inside. They can't be left outside, otherwise you'll be fined. About 130 of us require the small bins
because of the size of our garages. So when we get these large bins, they're going to have to stay outside. That's also a hazard with hurricane season. We have a lot of people that are away because they're snowbirds. My wife
and I are opposite. We're sunbirds. We're here in the spring and the summer. Uh when these can be swapped out, we may not be here. They're going to be outside. So, there's many reasons why we need to
be able to swap these out sooner. I remember when we first moved here, I would call the 772 local number and get Francesca. She knew me by name. I remember getting the large bins and she said, "Well, just bring it up and
we'll swap it out." Put it in my car, brought it to the local station here in Vero Beach and swapped it out for smaller bins. There's no problem. And I know times change. I know we're a growing community, but this needs to happen maybe a little
sooner than has been said. Um, but we appreciate your attention. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, I'm Cindia Casten and um I did
want to comment on the gentleman um on the recycling center. It wasn't just the um furniture, it was also the waste, also different areas that were shut down and we were told they weren't
picking up and you had to go home and then come back and we'll see if if they've taken care of the problem. Um uh I was I called and uh I reached out and they gave me the wrong information.
They told me that it was going to be put on my water bill. This extra amount of money that I have not allocated in. You don't understand a single woman. I'm almost 70 years old. I was disabled
because they switched me over to old people now. Uh, and I have to um, you know, live on a budget. Okay. I took a direct hit from the tornado.
I don't have a second insurance. I don't have hurricane insurance. The Lord was good to me and took care of me on a direct hit. But I did a lot of homework to help my my property withstand that
kind of wind. And if you you look, you'll you'll know that I'm telling you the truth. But giving me another $180 a year for a bill that I did not agree
to. you you did it with the the the thing with the you know what you've been doing and then hit me with $180. The second person I called, he was very
informative. I usually can talk people uh to death and they finally give me the truth. I found out about this meeting after I talked to him two two to three times, something like that. And it was
at the end of our conversation I found out about this meeting. Okay. I didn't know anything about this. I don't use this system because my husband uh he uh he's
deceased now, but he had a colostomy bad. So, we had to take his stuff every day. I live close to two miles away from the recycling center and I have a lot of yard waste.
So, on my way to the grocery store, I go take my stuff, okay? I do not need pickup at my house, and I'm going to get charged for it. I've had I had to repair
my electric, my pipes. All my pipes are all new. My and and I've had so many bills this year and somebody doing this to me. Another thing I learned on my little um uh
phone call was I told him, "My girlfriend is probably going to have to pay $12 a month. Can I get on her plan so I don't have to pay $15 a month?" He says, "No, she's going to be paying the same amount that you're
going to be paying." And uh and then he goes to tell me, if you guys don't um do this, then we're going to have to charge your uh girlfriend 80% in increase
in the monies. I'm hoping I'm saying this right, but if I don't do it, all the people that don't want this service and don't want to pay for this service or can't afford this service, they're going to have to pay the ones
that are already paying 80% more on their bill. Now, maybe my hearing's not as white because I told you I was old. And uh but you've got to understand most of the people that live here are
old. I agree with the the trash is being too big. I have one thing a one bag little bag of trash. Okay. I don't have a big
footprint. You guys should be celebrating me. No, you hit me with another bill. Come on, people. I mean, how much more do I have to take? Thank you for your service.
Good morning. My name is Paul Freeman. I'm I'm a part of an HOA. Uh, first of all, I would like to thank Waste Management for taking care of the problem and not dropping off the yard waste container in our development. I'm sure we'll we'll request not to get it,
but my my issue is I would like to ask Waste Management to look at this request that I'm I'm I'm going to ask. I understand that I got to pay and I'm not going to take this service. There's revenue there that you're receiving from people like myself that are going to pay
for this service in all the HOAs in in our county. All right. That I would say, why can't you take that amount of money and apply it to to a group of people that may be disabled, that may be uh in
a in a veterans, whatever it is, okay? And apply it to these people that need it. If I'm gonna pay for a service in many in in this county that I'm not going to get, then why should you receive the additional income? Let's give it to some people that really need
it. I don't mind paying for it if it's going to go to somebody that needs it. That's all I'm going to ask you to do. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning. Um I just wanted to thank the county for addressing the concerns of the HOAs. Um I'm on one of the
boards. Um and thank you to Waste Management for addressing it. I just have two questions. Um on the swap, there was no mention about the recycle can, is that also going to be included? The smaller can is also included. Okay.
And second is if and when the county approves the amendment, how do we get a a copy of that letter? Where will that letter be? On your website, on the county's website. because I'd like to take a copy of it and put it on our website so our
residents can see it. Which letter are you referring to? This the the the the one you had up on the screen, the amendment and the swapped out program. How do I get a copy of that letter so I
can put it on the the HOA's website? If you reach out to us, we can get you a copy of the letter that WM submitted to us um associated with the the program. Do you is there a an email or a card? Okay.
Once again, you want that for distribution so that they understand what the the letter is and what the letter the intent of the letter is. But the it's not going to require each individual household to sign off on it.
That's the HOA's obligation. Correct. The HOA will then get it the their approval for all their residents and one document will come to us. Okay. I just want to clarify it. Yes.
Because you said you're going to distribute it and the deadline is July 15th. Is that the the deadline? Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. That's correct. And thank you for your understanding. Good morning. My question is very
simple. I don't want the yard waste container. You don't have Are you going to charge me anyway? Because I don't have it. Yes. Anybody? The fee for the the waste removal is a
global one. It is not uh again as I said earlier this is not a menu where we choose well I want option A but not B so I'm not going to pay for B. Do you mind if I go to the bank and take some money out of your account? I need it.
Do they need it? They're going to be charging me for something I don't have. No. I I don't want the yard waste that and they're going to charge me. Where is No, watch this. You know, sir,
most civilized jurisdictions, we had a a hard decision to make, but most civilized jurisdictions, if you just travel, you will see waste waste containers
in front of many homes. And there's an orderly methodology in order to remove the waste from your home. We chose to go with universal. It is probably by far the and consistently
uh the most used methodology to remove waste from your home. Again, folks like the convenience centers that we're not affecting the convenience centers. Sometimes they do get overloaded. Uh I
happen to be a convenience uh I'm not talking about something that I'm not familiar with. I visit our convenience centers all of them uh on on on the average week I u utilize them and sometimes they do get overfilled
sometimes uh there's some difficulties but they are convenience centers. Well what I'm saying is I'm not using that service. Why should I be charged? because this this decision was for the
greater good of 170,000 citizens. This is a collective service to ensure that we have proper waste collection. We have HOA in my subdivision. You know, we don't need it. We have
impact. They take care of all that. No, as far as the uh the waste the vegetative waste once again that they take care of all that impact takes care of all and I appreciate that and you're not alone. There are others that do that and they understand that it's part of
the package. I don't like them going into my pocket and taking money out of my pocket. I don't like that you you're you're opting out of a portion of the program. If you opt out, if your HOA opts out of
the vegetative waste removal, that's one less container and uh you don't have that service, but there's no way to carve out that portion of the expense of
one item in something that that there are three branches of this waste collection. The trucks still have to roll. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Good morning. Sorry. My name is Christopher Mackey. I'm here today as
president of the Fountain Head Condominium Owners Association. Thank you and thank you for the opportunity to talk to you. I have a quick question, two quick questions and a couple of comments. One question is when we're talking about HOAs, are we including COAs
in our revised contract? Do we also benefit from the yard waste exclusion or is it strictly HOAs? Condominium owners associations were legally different from HOAs. Yes, but aren't most most of the condos they have
uh major containerization as well. I can't speak to that. I I have 89 units in our association. We use waste management currently and pay for it monthly with individual bins. And last week 89 well 90 um new bins were dropped
off and our old bins were taken. So we if you're on the individual bin yes that will be you can you can request that. Okay. Could I ask that somebody just put COE in there with HOA in the in the amendment so that because we we have
nightmares with Florida Power and Light because they keep writing these things for HOAs and forget about the fact that COAs are not legally exactly the same thing. Um the second question is about reclaiming. About 45% of our community are snowbirds. They didn't have bins out
last week and so their bins weren't reclaimed so they now all have two. and we're trying to figure out the best way because when we put bins out, it interferes with traffic in our community. So,
if there's a if there's a way that I can communicate back to our owners clearly what we need to do to get that surplus bin picked up, that would be extremely helpful. I think as they return, if they if they need to have those picked up, they can call WM, call the customer care center and ask them to come pick them
up, and they will come pick them up. Okay, because that'll be, you know, October, November, December. As long as you guys are thinking about that, um I I have to say because I've heard some of these other comments, our owners generally like this. I mean, we're we're in favor of the plant. We're already
paying for disposal. This shifts the money to a new place. It doesn't really increase our costs. The yard waste amendment is exactly what we needed. I came here today to ask three things really. Um, one was the yard waste and what I heard of the amendment description, as long as it applies to
us, it deals with us perfectly. We're already paying a landscaping firm to haul yard waste. We don't need bins. We have no place to put them. So, as long as there's a way for us to be included in that opt out, we're great on that. The second thing, and and maybe the most
important, is when we say that we can't fit the bins, I ask that you really believe us. We have very tight garages. It's not that it's inconvenient. It's not that I have to pull the car out in order to get the bin out and take it back in. It's that I
cannot have my car, which is a Honda Accord. It's not a monster truck. Um, I cannot have a 65gallon bin and my car in the garage without both of them being damaged. The 35gallon bins that they picked up worked for us. Right now, I
have photographic evidence if you want it. I took a picture on my way over here this morning of the bins that were delivered last week. still sitting where they were dropped because we have no idea what to do with them. My first thought about this, we had two small tornadoes touch down during Milton
last year and we're really very rigorous about owners have to clear personal property off of any public space during storm season. So, because of that, we were able to keep our losses to a minimum. We keep our insurance premiums down by being rigorous about this and by
keeping a good loss record. So, I called my master condo policy broker and my personal HO6 broker yesterday and said, "What are the insurance implications of 3* 90 is 270
untethered plastic bins, each of them bigger than a human being, on our landscape for insurance losses under our storm policies anytime during this season?" And after he sort of stammered for a minute, we figured out that for the master policy, it's not a problem
because you're requiring us to do it. So if it sits out there and it becomes a projectile and it takes down a a transformer or god forbid a person, then that's, you know, the insurance is the insurance. It'll cover for that. The third party claims issue of what
happens if one owner's bin takes out another owner's something is really kind of a complicated mess from what I can determine. Um, so if there's a way that we can that you
guys can take these bins back until we need them, I wanted to ask you to at least think about that. Okay? And I realize that may not be possible, but the the huge window between when we're getting these and when we're
actually going to implement them is um it's or let me say between when we're getting them and when we can get the right size bin, the bin that we actually can accommodate. Right? Even October, that's the end of the storm season. We've got how many months between now
and then that we're going to have to figure out what to do with these things. The the final thing I guess and it's related to this is I I am understand and I'm grateful for the fact that the trash bins are the last ones to be swapped out
which is going to minimize the window becau between when we get them and when we have to deal with them. The trash bins add one additional complication that nobody has mentioned so far and that is we have a conservation area in our community. We have a vibrant ecosystem which includes a substantial
number of raccoons. Um, also known as trash pandas. We are we have no provisions for locking these things down. We use our garages to keep the critters out. Right? So if these trash bins are outside, which they will
have to be between when they're dropped off and when we can get 35gallon bins, we have a sanitary issue and a sanitary concern that we have to address. So if in negotiating and finalizing this amendment, you can do anything to
shorten the window between when the trash bins come to us and when we can get the bins that we actually need. Ideally, if they can be delivered only when waste management is ready to swap them out promptly. was a little concerned to hear that there might be an
extended time window that we can apply in August and we can start getting them in October, but that that it doesn't mean that we'll get them all in the first week of October. If it really stretches into November and December and we don't have any place to put trash that is safe and sanitary, that starts
to become a concern for us and for our neighbors as well. That's everything I had. So, thank you very much. Thank you. Good morning. I'm Jane Kian and I'm the president of the Waverly Place HOA. Um, most of my questions that I came to find
out today have been answered. I've talked to the gentleman that's on paternity leave for a couple times. I've also talked to Deb from Waste Management a couple times. Um the problem that I
have is on a Monday morning I went out and all these we have 152 owners in our um community. There was the bins were being delivered. They were throwing four bins up to up next to each building. I
knew nothing about it. So I called our management company to see if they had heard anything. They had gotten no correspondence. So I started to try to make calls. I made six different calls before I got through to the gentle found the
gentleman that is on paternity leave and I was talking to him. He stated that we got a postcard. We did not get a postcard. He actually argued up and down that we got a postcard. There was no reason for
me to lie. I did not get a postcard. I talked to other people in the community. They did not get a postcard. I finally ended up the second day talking to Deb from Waste Management. She also said that we got a postcard.
I tried to tell her no, we didn't. She looked up, she asked for my address and sure enough, none of us in our community got a a postcard. I was also told that an email that Deb was going to send an email to the management companies. My
management company did not receive an email. So we were just kind of blindsided. So I guess my question is just like the rest of them, how do we make sure that we everyone is getting communication when something like this
happens. And I would also like to know I'll probably work with some of these folks over here to answer some of the questions so that I can get it out to our owners because in talking with Deb, she was telling me one thing and people
in our community was calling waste management. There's it was just they were told something completely different. So, it's just a mess in our community and our snowbirds aren't there. And that's my main concern is getting those containers picked up
from that the snowbirds aren't there so they're not blowing around when we get a storm. But thank you very much. Now, as said earlier, um in in any transition, uh there are some glitches. Um, this is
more than a glitch and uh I as your representative in county government, I I apologize that we've had a misstep in communication and I want to ensure that that can't
happen. I thought everything was geocoded and we we have the geocoding for billing. We have the geocoding uh for every other reason. U
I like to ensure that you do get that communication. Does your community need direct communication? Now I that that's what I was here for. Yeah.
to find who I can talk to to find out get the answers that we need because I'm getting different answers when I talk to different people. So, I'll work with these folks. Thank you.
Good morning, Mr. Chair. Good morning, commissioners. My name is Donna Keys and I live in an HOA in Vero Beach and I'm not here to talk about land use, Darl. Okay. Uhhuh. Number one, may I get a copy of the presentation that was done today that
was up on the screen? We're going to put it on the website. Okay, fine. Okay. Number two, where do we send the letter for the HOA to opt out of the brown trash cans? We have to do that by July 15th. I'd like to know where it goes.
There must be a process. Yeah. Send it to the solid waste disposal district at 1325 74th Avenue 74th Avenue Southwest Bureau Beach 32. Put that on the website. No, we'll be we'll put it up on the website, but I think it's actually the address is
probably on the website, but you can send it to the attention of Solid Waste Disposal District. Now, now when you say it's on the site, can you tell us what do you mean on the site? On what site? On our website, indianriver.gov. If you go to indian.gov, you can go to
each individual tab under the recycling and garbage area and you'll find all the information right there. I'll also give you one of my cards. So, if you have any other further questions, that is great. Recycling and garbage.
Thank you. Okay, so now we know where to send the letter to opt out on the brown ones. Uh, can you confirm, can somebody please confirm the date of delivery of the recycle and the trash carts? Is there any way we know what date they're going to be delivered to, let's
say, Lakes of Waterway Village? Excuse me. Yes, ma'am. Hello. Hello. Um because it is such a large roll out um we are not able to pinpoint the exact date that we will be at your address which is why the postcard that most of
us got um showed that we asked you to please take your cart curbside every service day in the month of June and July until it has been swapped out. So, and just to caution, the only way you're going to tell that recycling cart has been swapped out is that the new carts
have a little QR code on the label and the old carts don't. Um, so that's the best we can do. They're running one route a day. Um, but as we get closer to July, we're going to have 15 to 17 threeman teams in Indian County delivering recycling carts and
reclaiming recycling carts. So, that's the best I can get you right now. Okay. So, you're going to be delivering these between June and July, the recycling carts. Yes. Of 2025. Yes. Right now, when nobody's in town. Yes, ma'am. We've
already delivered 15,700 of them. Okay. So, at a $100 a day fine per resident, we're going to have a good income this year on our HOA because these are going to be, as everybody knows, they're going to be sitting out there and, you know, we don't have entrance comes to
everybody's garage to put these these away. And then we have September and November coming up with the hurricane season. So, June, July delivery dates are not working. And I don't know if there's anything that can be done about that. Is there
We we would think, Miss Keys, that you your homeowners association would be understanding during these times with specific HOA fines or fees that you may have uh specific to your neighborhood. We would hope that your association
would be a little forgiving. Okay. As the compliance chair, I will be forgiving on that. Now, what do I do about the hurricane season with these sit sitting out? Oh, I'm sorry. As far as far as storage of them and the fact that they'll be
outside. Yes. Because most people don't come down till November, December and you know September we're going to get to start it's going to start to blow. So, what do we do during hurricane season when we have these carts sitting
outside and we have absolutely no place to put them because we can't get in the homes of the residents who don't come down until the winter season, which is a good 80% of our residents. Cards have to be delivered.
They have to be distributed. Can we change the date for the delivery though to the seasons? Our contract is 101 and this has to be accomplished before October 1st. Can the contract Isn't Isn't this meeting to alter the contract?
No. Can the contract be altered to be a November delivery? I don't know if I'm asking Waste Management this or if I'm asking the county this. It's a It's a reasonable question. Um I
I don't know if that operation could take place. And first I'm going to ask Sean and then we have to ask the provider of the containers as well. I think there's a
couple things at play and and I understand your request. Unfortunately, the the contract the old contract is up in the end of September. New contract starts October. I mean, I suppose working with waste management and this is this is a decision that the commission would have to make is could
we extend the existing one to a different date and then start the new one at a different date. I I don't know the answer to that. The problem is is that also with the existing carts, they had a 10-year warranty and that 10-year warranty also expires in September and that's nothing that we can actually we
can't change that. I mean, that's the warranty that we were given when we purchased initially purchased those carts. So um that is also expiring and which is why within the new contract we had requirements for them to purchase new carts in order to get the new warranty period and they have to start
delivering those before that October 1st date. So um you know there's there's a couple things at play and and it's not a decision I could make. I mean as far as extending the the you know the current contract and and changing the start date of the new one that I mean plus we're already kind of in the midst of
delivery. um and changing that out. And I mean, they've already ordered their carts with the the manufacturer who's manufacturing them. Um and those those carts are being delivered as we speak. And so I think there's a lot of things at play that really I understand your concern and and you know what we have
asked as much as possible is work with your neighbors, work with others. Um you know, you know, work within the community as best you can to try to get them. I understand your concern. Certainly, you don't have garage codes for everybody who's not here. Um perhaps they know somebody who's a neighbor. Um
and perhaps there's, you know, emails you can reach out to them and say, "Hey, if you have a neighbor, you know, somebody who you trust that can pull those into your garage, maybe you can work with them." Um I don't know the answers to that, but if there's ways to work with um other members of the community to try to help out. Um I mean,
that's again to Commissioner Lur's um comment, you know, kind of working through this, helping each other out. We're in the midst of a change. We're in the midst of a of a difficult time. We all understand it's hurricane season. Um, but let's do the best we can kind of working collectively. So,
first of all, I find the fact that their warranty is up in October as an unacceptable reason for leaving them hold off another two or 3 months. We know that that card is not going to disintegrate two or three months after it's, you know, after its warranty is
up. Um, and the fact that the contract starts October 1st does not necessitate that the delivery start October 1st. This certain not there's ones being delivered already and the contract hasn't even expired. So I really do not
see any of those excuses as reasonable excuses for not holding up until a November December time frame for delivery of these carts. So, I can do my best to get every neighbor to give their their their uh code to their neighbors
so that we can move these carts inside, but I do find those answers as unacceptable and not a really good excuse for handling it in in in October. They're not going to disintegrate in two months. Um, some further questions. Okay. Now,
you're going to be delivering these, as I understand, in October, November time frame. If we find a place to put them, that's fine. Hopefully, we can. Hopefully, you can maybe deliver them later in the year. If we get delivery of these now,
when will we be able to swap out for the smaller carts? October. October. I I was under the impression we weren't going to be able to do that until January. The swap outs in January. Would somebody confirm that for me,
please? No, it's been uh updated to October. Okay. Swap out January 2026. Swap out now has changed to August 25th. Okay. First week request swap out. Request them to be picked up for swap out in
August. Susan, can you put your mic on? They'll pick up picked up in October. I'm sorry. I'm I can only hear one at a time. Susan, what was that? Um, you can call Waste Management to have them swapped out starting in August and they
will start amassing that list and they will start swapping the actual bins out in October. Okay. Thank you. All right. So whatever you can do to possibly delay at least HOA deliveries till November, December time frame, even
January would be very helpful. And I do want to say I know this has been a nightmare for all of you and it has been a nightmare for a lot of people out here too, but I do appreciate all the time you have given to this. Thank you. Thank
you. I guess it's still morning. I'm still Joy Royce. I'm with Province Bay Homeowners Association. Um, and I just kind of want to say that I appreciate so much everybody who came today, whether you're COA or an HOA, because we're all having the same
concerns. Um and and some things were brought up for our community that I hadn't even thought about. And that is we back up to the Indian River Lagoon. We have bobcats. We have uh you know plenty of squirrels, raccoons that are
very tenacious. And again, we have very small garages. As Tom had said, who lives in our community, we have probably I think it's 139 units that have these teeny garages that you have to almost fold your u a lot of people do have to
fold their side mirrors in just to get in. Okay. So, accommodating a trash can that's any larger than a 35gallon is basically impossible. We also live in a community it's gated. it is uh you know there's there's some elderly people in
there that can't push out a large trash can um nor nor do they have a place to store it. So if we have these trash cans outside and these critters are tearing into our trash cans because we can't put them inside again we have a big issue. I don't understand along with the lady
that just spoke why in the world we cannot just postpone regardless of when the contract ends, when the contract starts, postpone any more deliveries until after hurricane season. These things are laying outside. We can't put them inside. We have rolled we we were one of the ones that did receive the
65gallon uh recyclers. Uh they're all over the community. Uh we've rolled them up. We went around made sure yesterday that everything is at least rolled up to the front door. uh contacting, you know, we can send out an eblast to say, "Hey, you know, you may have a trash can, get a
neighbor to stick it inside or whatever." You know, we can do that. But like we said, as we're rolling into hurricane season, I just can't see because of the liability that the gentleman brought up about these things flying projectiles because we can't get them inside. I beg and I plead for
everybody, please postpone the delivery to HOAs who cannot accommodate these things. I don't I don't know how many HOAs are there. How many are there? Deb, do you know? No. No, you don't know anybody.
Sue. Joe. No. Okay. 275. Yeah. 275. Okay. Oh, COAs. Okay. Okay. And I'm not sure which ones, you know, I would assume that everybody's affected the same way. I don't know. I've just
heard enough here today to say I I just plead with you to to reconsider the delivery of any further containers to HOAs that can't accommodate them. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Um so again, Debbie, um I just want to say we value our
partnership with Indian River County. Um, we started this contract meeting with the solid waste department months and months and months ago. As we all know, this is a huge huge roll out with the 200,000 carts. It's one of Rare Eig's largest one who's our vendor who's
doing this transition. As I mentioned, there's going to be up to 15 to 17 teams, threeman teams throughout this county. Um, and I appreciate the fact that we're trying to delay it and we we kind of moved mountains to move it up to October because there's a lot of stuff
in the background to even move it up those three months to try to um expedite the swaps. Um, so to try and to delay this any longer, there's no guarantee we can get these teams back into the county in the time needed to do it. We've
already paid for all the carts. The carts are being manufactured. the delay, the question on moving this up to October was getting a manufacturing slot for these off offsiz carts, right? Because when we went into this, we were told by the contract that we're going to
deliver standard size carts. So now we're moving this up to get 35s and 95s on the recycling. So we had to try and squeeze in and get some manufacturing slots from our vendor to be able to do this in October. So, while I understand the concerns of the county and the
residents, I I you know, I just want to remind you that there's a lot involved that not everybody has seen on trying to plan this large roll out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Anything further? Just like to add one
more thing. Um Sure. What is going to be done? Okay. I got an um an answer from somebody from waste management uh um in reference to uh whether the re the uh convenience centers are going to be eventually
phased out. This has nothing to do with convenience centers at all and we're not getting rid of convenience centers. We've made that very clear multiple times. The convenience centers have nothing to do with waste management. That's a completely separate contract with Republic. This item is for waste
management. So if you want to talk about convenience centers, that's a different item. But rest assured, nobody's taking away anybody's convenience centers. Okay? Uh because there's a concern about, you know, hazardous waste, which is not going to be picked up by waste
management, right? And that that we do at the convenience center. Yeah. That would require me to spend my time and money even though you're asking for more money to pay for something I don't want. All citizens. Why would I now have to go
to the con convenience center to to dump off paint, oil, and batteries? Be grateful that we have the convenience center so we can do that cuz some jurisdictions do not provide that and then people are forced to do unusual things with their hazardous waste and
they do that here in contaminates the community. So I would say having convenience center to be able to accept them is a is a very large plus. Right. I will say that the jurisdictions even just a little south of us do not provide any service. I've been fishing in a
canal and somebody pulled up over the bridge and threw threw uh bags of trash over right next to my boat. But people, there's a lot of people that don't care, you know, and one of the big complaints uh from uh the waste management is is
that they're finding too many people putting um what they consider trash in the recycling. So that means there's going to be people who are just going to say, "I don't care. I'm just going to start throwing the paint and the oil and the batteries into the trash and just let
you handle it." That was one of the very much reason is we had about a 20% uh contamination rate in our recycling which was a free service that compelled us to have to look at the overall
uh waste management uh handling as universal. Thank you very much sir. Thank you. My problem is not solved. Anyone else? We'll now close public hearing
commissioners. Everybody's got their own microphone. Yes. All right. Can I just ask real quick, Sean, can you just summarize since there's been a lot of when you
presented it and where we are now? Yeah. Again, we are asking for approval of the two uh amendment proposals for the contract with WM. the one associated with um allowing HOAs to exempt
themselves out of the the um yard waste cart and the other associated with moving up the the uh delivery of the recycling carts and the swap out of the recycling carts um from January to essentially October with the option of
calling in starting in August. Okay. I'll be happy to move approval of said changes. We have a motion by Commissioner Adams, seconded by Vice Chairman Law. Mr. Administrator, Mr. Chair, do you
want to clarify whether that also includes the COA? Oh, yeah. That yes, it does. HOAs, COAs, COAs, things that act as similar entities but may have different statutory creation.
I'll second that. We're still good with the motion in a second. All right. Any further discussion? Thank you. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carried unanimously.
Thank you. Thank you. Next item is uh final pay to geocenteic uh for work order number five permit compliance monitoring and reporting in the river county landfill facility. Have approval.
That's a motion by Commissioner Adams, seconded by Vice Chairman Law. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Motion carried unanimously. And next is the annual SWID rate study
update. You're still missing a macho. I was I was looking um it's almost afternoon but commissioners just wanted we are here today um in in 2023. We had hired Kesler Consulting KCI to
come in and do some um some work for us associated with evaluation of waste generation units. And as part of that was also an in-depth rate study. uh that rate study uh came out with some recommendations and associated with that
was also an annual update to the to the rate study. We did one last year um where they had a proposal came forth and had recommended an 8% for this current fiscal year um associated with those waste generation units. And what we are
here today to to talk about is an evaluation. They came back and re-evaluated that and a lot of that was associated with uh we recently as you all are aware we recently engaged with um you know new contracts for both the landfill operations and the customer
convenience center operations. Um the proposals we received on those were significant increases over the previous contracts and assoc therefore um there's going to be a an increase associated with the management of the landfill and convenience centers. And so when we
hired KCI to come in and actually call customer consulting services, yes, um we they they redid the the rate study and um with me today is Peter Engles with KCI and he's here to kind of go through um an update to to that rate study, an
update to the model and kind of give you on a number of scenarios associated with how we kind of address the increases in costs and the increases in management costs and operational costs. um really associated with those um primarily with those management costs
from from the landfill and community centers. Um the the rate study does also evaluate kind of the long-term capital improvement needs of this of the the landfill. And so some of that is also kind of um feed fed into the the rate study. And with that, I'm going to turn
it over to Peter. We've got a presentation or he's got a presentation. Um and we appreciate them being here to to cover this. So Peter, I'm gonna turn it over to you. Thanks Sean. Thank you and board. Uh thank you very much for this opportunity to speak with you
today. Um we'll have a um slide deck and uh we can just move on to the next one. Let's see here. Clicker. Lovely. So uh this presentation going to give you just a brief little background just in terms of the the distinction between
there's a service assessment and then there's the new collection assessment which was being previously discussed. Um so a structure of the customer assessments and then uh the really the background of the um the objectives of this study are in particular that were focusing on maintaining sufficient
reserves in line with the county policy in light of as Sean was mentioning there's new service cost increases and uh and also in alignment with the assessment structure as it stands. Um I'll be presenting um a baseline scenario which was essentially based on
the uh same uh assumptions and projections as the previous year for the 2004 study and um then also four scenarios for addressing again the the significant cost increases that have been coming in operational services as
well as long-term uh CIP requirements. So background on the structure of the assessments the uh the two the top the service assessment as you know has two components. There is a base rate and a recycling rate. The base rate applies both to residential and commercial
properties and that is countywide unincorporated and inincorporated area and these are the services that it uh addresses landfill convenience centers leate and uh yard waste composting. And then there is the recycling rate uh which is the other component of the service assessment that applies just to
residential properties for the recycling, collection and processing. The new assessment which has been previously discussed is the collection assessment. And we've been focusing essentially in this rate study to um address and I'll look at this third
bullet point just to point on that one first here. The new collection assessment. Our key parameter assumption is that that is fully funded by that $180 or so uh um annual assessment. So, we're really looking at how the service
assessment needs to be adjusted. We're looking at a five-year projections FY26 through f excuse me FY30 and is previously approved in um 2024 I believe. uh there is a switch in the waste generation units that is being um
there was an interim step that was in place and then now in FY27 the final adjustment to those waste generation units will be uh rolled in. So we're taking that into account and how that impacts the revenue generation. We're looking at reserve requirements in
alignment with uh generally um agreed um accounting practices. There's essentially a total of 30 with a 5% emergency, a 5% budget stabilization, and then 20% unassigned. That's 30%. The policy um uh guideline that we we were
using is our standard for our scenarios was based on it's okay to go below that 30, but no more than three years and then it should be replenished within five years. So there's a little bit of flexibility on where that kind of floor point is in the reserve requirements. As
I mentioned, we look at um uh we're focusing on the baseline and then four rate scenarios which adjust that service assessment. And then we are also looking at the tip fees for essentially chargeable garbage, the items that come into the landfill that aren't covered by the assessment.
First, I just wanted to um briefly touch on the um projected revenue requirements. So this chart here is the blue line is expenditures and you're seeing a 49% increase moving into FY26 primarily due to those increases in the
cost for the operational services. The revenue that's jumping up again that's a 40% significant increase in FY26 and that's associated with that new collection assessment. the revenue from that as the years go out past that that red line at the bottom which is tied to
the right hand y ais um so they're on kind of different scales but it just that that's calling out the revenue requirement in other words the gap between expenditures and revenues and in future years we're seeing that that gap is in the range of 5 million a year and
then increasing in FY29 and FY30 the reason that that's um uh you're seeing that increase in the future is primarily due to uh capital improvements that are coming down the pike in those future years. This is a summary chart that's looking
at the scenarios. There is a baseline as I indicated and then there's four scenarios associated with that. The baseline scenario is there was an 8% that was approved in FY25. There was then future years we were previously projecting those in the previous rate
study at 6% per year. So we carried that forward as just like a baseline scenario. Um we then were looking at how do we meet those revenue requirements and those um those fund balance reserve requirements
uh or policy. One approach is to just like just deal with it, get it over within a year's time. And that's that scenario one. And in order to and we'll we'll look at the impact of these but let me just outline the scenarios here. That's essentially like taking the hit in one year. The second is spreading
that scenario two is spreading it out over two years. Then the third and the fourth scenarios are spreading it out over three years and at the same time as we'll see in the next slide addressing the um the the tipping fee increases as well during that period of time during
those three years. Now, we were kind of doing this as in a dynamic kind of iterative fashion. And so the scenarios we'd say, "Oh, that's overshooting. Oh, this one's undershooting. So, we'll develop another scenario." So, we were kind of um moving in on scenarios that ultimately get to
one that that um meets the uh the policy requirements. The scenarios addressing uh increases in the landfill gate rate tip fees. We were assuming 3% which is uh the previous assumption in prior rate studies and then in scenarios three and four they
were increasing in parallel 12% and 15% over 3 years during those and then back to a 6% increase. This is a little bit complicated. Um this is a summary slide and I'm happy to go into details. We have following slides that detail each of the scenarios. But if we take a minute, I
just would like to um um summarize here that we have two red lines. That dotted solid that dotted straight red line that is 25%. And then um excuse me, that's 30%. I apologize. And then the lower one,
that's 25%. So we're using those as kind of like those floors for the revenue requirements or for your fund balance requirements. the blue lines, a series of those blue lines, that is the fund balance projections based off of those four scenarios. The gray line that drops
out, that is the baseline. Um, and what we're seeing here is that in summary that the your reserves are pretty much chewed through uh in the SWID in the SWID fund um with just the uh the base rate um that all all reserve uh require
all reserve funds are utilized. the um scenario one that 40% increase that line keeps you above that's the top line it keeps you above 30% at all times but it essentially overshoots in future years
so you're building up reserves uh equaling up to about 40%. scenario two which is spreading it out over two years 25% and uh 22% you dip a little bit below 30 but you don't go below 25 and then you again what I would say tend to overshoot because what
you've done to that curve of inflection by having a higher increase during the initial years that is a compounding in effect of implementing rate increases in the early years over time then in scenarios three and four the 12% which
is scenario three that's the bottom line And what happens with that one, the projections are that it actually does fall below that 25% floor. So then we adjust it up to 15% and we're seeing that we go below 30, we we stay at 25
and then it increases in future years uh back above 30%. So that scenario 4 is the one that uh conforms best with the uh policy guidelines for um for reserves. And I I could pause if there's any point
for questions at this. Yes. Um can I ask um is waste management included in this or is waste management separate from this? The the the collections service assessment the service assessment. Yes.
Waste management is included for Yes. If I were to go back to and I'll I'll I'll just ensure that I'm speaking. I saw that the first slide uh it listed landfill convenience centers landfill lee yard waste composting recycling
collection processing I'll refer to staff on that so I wasn't sure yeah I I' I'd like to it's not included in this fee specifically I'm sorry what so for the for the waste management what we were just talking about the waste management assessment fee associated with universal collection is not
included in this not included in this this is just for what we call waste generation units which is the management of the landfill and convenience centers. Um there is some recycling cost associated with it but it does not include the collection of recycling. Okay. Um so it's just the management costs of all of that. Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Yeah. Thanks. Other questions or um comments um at this point? Would any would you like to go into the details? I have slides which show each of these scenarios. Um but with in a little bit more detail uh like this one above here that's that's showing for example the baseline you see
in green bars that's the rate increase in each year. You're seeing those two um those revenue require or the excuse me the reserve fund balance lines those reds and the blue is a more detailed line of what happens to your fund reserves. And yes, just in the interest of time,
I'm happy to go through these or I'm not really You don't have to go through all of them. I mean, the only one I'm really interested in is option four or scenario four, which seems like um the scenario that is the least impactful to our
residents. So, least financially, you can skip all of them and just go to that as far as I'm concerned. I don't know about anybody else. Uh agreed. Okay. We do. Is that okay? That's consensus.
So basically with this one, we're at 47% will drop to 25 for two years and then right back up to 30%. Correct. Yeah. And and this is uh how I look at this is, you know, it's spreading it out over three years. It does it softens the impact. There's no denial that this is
an impact. And we'll look at the dollars the dollar impacts in the next couple of slides on the on the service assessments and the tip fees. Um but yes, it and it it it it spreads it out and it gives some predictability in future years as
well and it also allows for some kind of flexibility or latitude in future years to be reconsidering your rates. Perfect. So what happens just with a baseline um again that was the previous rate studies we were saying you know 6% increase on
an annual basis that helps to be covering um both your CPI and CIP so you know um you have your um consumer price inflation adjustments and then there's also capital improvement projects coming down the pike as well in the next 5
years the rate increases in the baseline would be in line with these the red lines is the dollar increase. Remember these are annual service assessments. This is part of the NAV or the non-advelorum assessment that's done on the property roles. The two components of that the base rate
and the recycling rate. So that's what if this is specific to the single family residence uh residential parcels. In scenario four there are significant annual increases. So in the first year it's going to be about $2 a month, $24
to $25 a year. uh moving from 26 to 27 um that's going to be $13. So again in that you know a$120 or so per um per household per month and then it's 30 13 and 14 in those future years. It it it
goes down in those between 28 29 and between 29 and 30 it goes down because we're dropping off that that 15% back down to 6% increases. That's the single family. We've also uh done a comparison of this of how it
would impact just one of the primary um uh tip feed items that comes into uh the landfill and that's the chargeable garbage component. Those increases uh per ton with this 1515 6 and six
scenario uh is 78 9 and then back down to four to$5 per ton on those assessments. for comparison. Uh the uh staff uh just put together this uh chart and and thank you very much for the very quick work on
that. Um is is a comparison. So here's this first column. These are let's just say there's four commodities. The bulk of the tonnage that comes in is chargeable um tip fee paid at the gate gate rate tonnage coming into the landfill. It's going to be chargeable garbage, the CND, wooden pallets, and
then yard trash and land clearing debris. Those four categories are really the prime. There's, as you know, there's like 30 different tip fees. I don't know the exact number, but there's dozens. Um, currently, these are the tip fees. So, they're ranging in the range there. Let's just say, you know, 40 43 to 456 a
ton. Then the second column is what the 15% increase would mean. In other words, these would be the FY26 tip fees for those four categories compared to St. Lucy County and Bvard. These are the most up-to-date tonnages. Um so it's you know bvards have been in in place since
2024. What we're seeing here just quite you know just in summary is that you are really kind of like you're in the middle. This remember this is the gate rate for their incount tonnage. It doesn't include the cost to haul it there and it doesn't include what may be an outofcount search charge for bringing
out ofount waste into those facilities and St. Lucy. The the reason we were discussing this yesterday is like, oh well these 15% rate increases scare tonnage away and therefore you're gonna actually lose revenue because people are going to say oh 15% forget it. I'm going to go find
another place to take it. Your surrounding uh alternatives for them really don't provide a cheaper option. Um Bvard yes but then there is also going to be the out of county search charges that are applied to that. So, um, this is just a, you know, um,
how you compare and you're still right kind of in the you're in the ballpark. You're not like exceeding the market value for disposal if you get what I'm saying with that. So, conclusions here, there are significant increased expenditures beginning in FY26 with the uh, with the new contracts and uh, then
likewise down the year there's always keeping up with capital improvements at landfill. uh the base service assessment uh as it uh projected in previous scenarios does not provide sufficient revenue to meet your revenue your reserve fund policy and it's been
staff's recommendation to uh for um for the board to consider scenario 4. Summary is 15% services assessment and tip fee increases in those three years, 6% service fee and tip fee increase in uh the latter two years. that stays in
line with um reserve policy fund requirements or uh pol excuse me um reserve policy and thank you. That's the conclusion of my remarks. Happy for any um questions, comments and um as well. Yeah,
Mr. Chair, answer any questions you guys might have. You know, we we have these decisions that we make all the time and we've heard he heard some other earlier discussions about some decisions that we made months ago with respect to universal and the like. This particular
number four scenario after great conversation with the administrator not only is consistent with our policy and keeping our fund balance where within the range actually above the range knowing the anticipation and capital improvements that are going to have to
occur and uh consistent with with Sean's department with respect to to water. I feel like we're putting our county in a very good position for many many years to come. And option four is the motion that I would make which is staff's
recommendation to approve. Well positioned. Anything further? Yep. Well, we have a motion by vice chairman law seconded by myself to accept option four and moving forward. Any further
discussion? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carried unanimously. Thank you. Thank you very much, commissioners. Thank you. Going upstairs. With that, we will now be uh moving forward with the executive sessions. We will not be adjourning the
meeting. Uh you're welcome to stay if you wish, but we anticipate the executive session to take uh at least an hour. Uh we have two executive sessions and we've scheduled uh them under
Florida State Statute 447.605 605 and the board will discuss the uh negotiations for IIAFF for battalion chief unit and the meeting will be held
today and it will be held in a conference room upstairs. This meeting exempt from Florida State statute 26 286.011. Discussions are limited to matters related to the negotiations.
Members of the bargaining committee will be present at the executive session and will include um all all five of our county commissioners. Suzanne Bole, Director of Human
Resources. Michael Zitto, Deputy County Administrator. David Johnson, Director of Emergency Services, Labor Attorney Benton Wood, and County Administrator John Tid Canich. Will we have a member
of uh from the Office of Management and Budget as well? Elise Chris, our senior financial a Chris will be present. I just want the public to be informed on who will be present at the executive session. At the conclusion of that, we will move
to item 12 C, which is again IAFF rank and file. The same individuals will be present during that and at the conclusion of that meeting, we will then uh reform before you and the board and
adjourn the meeting. Thank you. regularly scheduled board of county commissioners meeting will now be called back to order. We have completed the two executive sessions that we had to do in the shade and we are returned back to
the dis. Does anybody at on the dis have anything? I just want to say that uh it's a it is a commitment and an honor to serve the people and many of us have significant
others and partners and spouses and um in the beginning of the meeting we thank the emergency service personnel, our military and I think that we should all
thank the collective of support that we have, the burden that we place upon our families, for what we do, for the honor and privilege to serve the community. Uh today I keep looking at the date and
it's ringing in my head and forgive me for a personal note but uh today signifies 36 years of endurance and support guidance that my spouse has given
for what we do to serve in the public. And I'm sure you all have the same feelings. So, we need to be thankful to our partners for what they do as we do the greater good for the citizens of
this county. Anything else? This meeting's adjourned.