Good evening and welcome to the uh Thursday, October 9th, 2025 meeting of the Indian River County Planning and Zoning Commission. Uh we'll call this meeting to order and begin with the pledge of allegiance, please. Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Are there any additions or deletions to tonight's agenda? No, sir.
Very good. Um, our first order of business is the approval of the minutes of the September 11th, 2025 meeting. Motion to approve. Second. Uh, all in favor? I uh any opposed? It's approved. Uh we
have two items on the agenda tonight. Um the first item will be Pinewood Gardens and this is a request for a preliminary plat approval for a 51 lot conventional single family subdivision.
K Hovvenian Southeast Florida Division LLC is the applicant. Uh, Carter and Hearing LLC is the agent. The zoning is RS6, residential single family up to six units per acre. Land use designation is
M2, medium density, residential 2, uh, up to 10 acres per acre. The proposed density is 2.55 units per acre. Uh there any declaration of expartite communications and does everyone affirm their ability to evaluate this item with
an open mind? Everyone on the right. Good. No, sir. And yes. Okay. Everyone on the left? No. And yes. All right. Very good. Um we'll swear in anyone who would like to speak on this agenda item now, please.
Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. Very good. will have um staff presentation. Thank you, Mr. Chair. For the record, uh Ryan Sweeney, acting planning development services director. I'll be presenting tonight on behalf of our one
of our newer staff members, Harper Lindamood, who inherited this project, so didn't want to force the presentation on her. Uh tonight's request is for the Pinewood Garden subdivision preliminary plat. The project site is located on the south side of 49th Street, approximately 1,350
ft east of 58th Avenue. and it's shown here with the red square. Project site is zoned RS6. Uh from this point forward, all of the slides will be oriented with north to the right. Um here is an aerial depicting the existing conditions of the
site with the project overlay on top. Here's the preliminary plat showing the proposed project layout, including 51 conventional single family lots. The project's traffic circulation plan includes a single gated driveway, full
movement driveway connection to 49th Street uh and an internal loop road. The project stormwater plan includes a single uh stormwater track located at the central portion of the site. And the environmental landscape plan
includes the 25 foot type B buffer along 49th Street which includes a sixoot opaque feature as well as latoral zone and lake shoreline tree plantings around the stormwater pond and two upland set aside tracks one in the norththeast
corner and one in the southwest corner. Dedications, improvements, and other conditions for this project include the internal sidewalks in accordance with section 913095B2, uh, street lighting within the project, as well as the common green space/recreation area requirements.
And with that staff's recommendation is that the planning and zoning commission grant preliminary plat approval for the pinewood garden subdivision with conditions listed in the staff report including final tree protection and mitigation plans payment for the approved fee in lie of tree mitigation if applicable final landscape and buffer
plan final street lighting design installation dedication of the conservation easement over the two upland set aside tracks and the internal sidewalks and design and installation. Thank you Mr. Chair. Thank you, Ryan. Are there any commissioner questions of
staff on my right? Doesn't look like any. Any questions on the left? Um Chip, go ahead. And then Robert, you go ahead. Um clarification on the lot size minimums that are allowed in the current
zoning. Uh yeah, Mr. Mr. Chair, uh Chip, the in the um RS6, it is 70 foot wide lots and that's their minimum lot width and 7,000 square feet. That's the minimum. That's the minimum. This is a conventional subdivision. Not seeking any waiverss or reductions
or setback waiverss or anything like that. That's right. Can you tell me what the setbacks are on that side? Sure. Yes. Uh it's going to be 20 foot front and rear, 10 foot sides. So there'll be 20 ft in between each home at minimum. We all good commissioners. Good. I'll go
ahead and open the floor for any public comment on this agenda item if anyone would like to speak. Either one of the podiums and your name and address. Um seeing none, I'll close the floor and um any additional commissioner questions, statements, discussion.
No, call for a motion. Move to approve. I'll second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Good enough. It passes. Oh, say where you going? And after losing about half of our
audience, our second agenda item is uh ditch 5 sand mine expansion. And this is a request for major site plan and administrative permit use approval for the ditch 5 sand mine expansion. Uh
Babcock Cocina Mine LLC is the owner. Mills and Short and Associates LLC of the agents. Um, it's located west of 90th Avenue Southwest, south of Ozo Road, and east of 94th Avenue Southwest.
The zoning is agricultural 2 um uh up to uh one unit per 10 acres. The land use designation is a 2, agricultural 2 up to one unit per 10 acres. Um any declaration of expartite communications
and is everyone able to affirm uh their ability to evaluate this item with an open mind? On my left. Good. Good. On my right. Good. Every everybody's good on that. So um uh anyone who would like to speak on
this uh please um stand and be sworn in. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I do. And we'll go with staff presentation. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Brandon Craig, chief of current development will present this item.
All right. Good evening, chair, members of the board. Before you today is the ditch 5 sand mine major site plan and administrative permit use. So, just to kind of go over the mining approval process. So, we're right now at the site plan administrative approval uh
permit stage. Uh if the PCC approves tonight uh with the conditions listed in the staff report, uh they would need to then obtain all jurisdictional permits, uh meet all conditions of site plan release, if there are any, and then provide all the all of the required bonds for the project. Um once they do
all that and they start operation, there's an annual mining permit review and issuance that has to happen annually. The project is located uh or east of 94th Avenue Southwest, south of 9inth Street Southwest. Um it's fairly close
to the Oslo uh well what will be the new Oslo interchange to 95. It also has a zoning of A2 agricultural tube. Just to give you an idea of the current site. Um so it actually is an existing mine. It's been in existence since 1995.
So everything that you see that's water in the picture, that kind of aqua color, that's the current mine right now. Um, and then everything to the east and the south is the new proposed cells. So, just to dig a little bit uh deeper. So, north is now going to be to the left
portion of the screen. Um, so they're going to have uh six different cells. It's going to be a two-phased project. Um, phases one is going to be cells one through three. Um, phase two is cells four through six. And then the existing
mine right now is in red. Uh and then I should probably go over um so both the current mine and the proposed uh excavation area it's going to be a total of 231.49 total acres. Um the the new excavation
area is 153.9 acres and then the existing site is approximately 77.59 acres. Um, between the two phases, they're going to take approximately 12.37 million cubic yards. It's a little
over uh six million cubic yards per phase. Um, they're going to have a new lifespan for this new area of about 20 years. Um, again, previous approval was in 1995 and the mine is currently active. Uh, the Hall route is going to use the
existing route um to the existing mine. Um they're just going to have some stubouts um within the project areas for driveways that will go into the new cells. Um they're going to do all of their trips east and westbound on um Oslo Road or 9inth Street Southwest and
then it's going to be dispersed in the county to various sites that need fill uh typically for residential projects and commercial projects and stuff like that. Uh this is subject to special land use criteria contained in 971.22 subsection one of our county land development
regulations. Uh the special land use criteria revol revolve around the site having to meet all of our applicable site plan requirements. Um reclamation and water quality management plan is going to be uh needed and approved. Um they have to have no mechanical dewatering within 1,000 ft of a platted
subdivision. There is no platted subdivisions within 1,000 ft of this area. So that is not a concern. They must have uh a future land use of AG1, AG2, or AG3. This currently has an AG2. So it meets that. And then we were also required to notice uh property owners by
mail which was a quarter mile uh notice radius. Staff recommends that the PCC grant major site plan and administrative permit use approval with the conditions listed in the staff report. These conditions are related to the reclamation latoral zone and final landscape plans, the submitting of all the required bond and payment of impact
fees. Uh any maintenance agreements for the hall routes um their operational conditions and then the obtaining of a wetland conservation easement. I'm available for any questions you may have. Thank you. Um, thank you, Brandon. Uh, any, um, commissioner questions for staff on the
left? Okay, I see. Um, Chip, go ahead and we'll come to Mark. Okay. Um, just a couple of questions regarding item number four, which talks about no mechanical dewatering of any subdivisions nearby. What about uh,
regarding ranchets? It's it's serviced by public water. So it it would or I'm sorry not serviced by public water. Um those those would not apply to like a AOE or 5 acre regardless. There's no dewatering. This is a this is wet dredging. So that it's
really doesn't really apply at all. There's no dewatering whatsoever. So there's no concern for the ranchets that may be nearby. Not in this particular case, but otherwise that they can still get water and correct. Okay. And then um you mentioned the 20-year rule, but we're past that for
the original. How does that happen? So there there during the sorry Mr. Chair Chip. Um the during the economic downturn there was sort of a pause in the the ' 08 to 2011 2012. I try not to remember that time. So there was a pause on the time clock
but the uh so yes from the the date of the original approval to now is actually 30 years. Those lifespans um didn't actually get implemented until more recently. So that 20-year time clock would start with the new and there is the ability to actually extend if needed
barring another downturn. Okay. In other words, because there's an annual U mining permit item, then in theory, they could pause and and pause that that time clock. They could go to 10 and stop and and then pick. Correct.
Okay. Good. Chip. Sir. Okay. Mark, uh, have there been any complaints or, uh, inspection violations on the existing mine on this particular one? No. Typically, what the main complaint is the hall
route. Um, however, with Oslo Road basically being no man's land west of 95 and it is paved, a few hundred feet uh, west of 95. So, there there's not been any for this particular mine. Not to single out, I won't single out because there's several mines on 82nd. That's a
different topic. I I didn't understand why the maps aren't flipped so that uh north is either top or right. It's just the way it was. It's pretty confusing. Um so the hall
road is well it's not to 95, isn't it? Isn't it down road? Right. There's a there's an overpass um over 95 and they'll be used in the same kind of trucks they dump trucks dumps.
Good. Yes. Any on the right? Any questions on the right? Yeah. The the side roads, what is it? 95th and 90th or 94th and 90th? 94th and 90th. Are those dirt or pave? Those are dirt. They're dirt. Yes. Maintenance on those roads is anything
is the responsibility. responsibility. Okay. And then for the, you know, the traffic patterns on Oslo. So, how is the new interchange and all that going to affect, you know, with all this and the trucks? So, there's still the overpass.
So, that that but the concern would be when it's finished. And there still I don't know if this pit is for 95 or otherwise but uh once 95 is finished then you've got paved roads and then the concern of the trucks. Well, hopefully that will actually be
better because the you know there'll be less dirt and more pavement. Um but the you know the the construction for Oslo will be I mean it's going to be FDOT design. So they're widening all the way down through there already that project.
Yeah. And the construction of the interchange isn't going to be affected or affect this. No. Anything else? No, sir. My only question Ryan answered it, the map answers. It was verifying
that it was west of the 95 interchange. So, yeah, I'm good. I I've got a couple questions. Um the in the on the first page of your uh report you uh referenced the restoration plan. When when was that written and does it
need to be reviewed and updated? The requirement for restoration plan it it says um uh uh and it says the exact date has not yet been provided as to when they will cease mining any
material and restore the mine per the project restoration plan. Right. that doesn't get implemented until the end once they cease cease. When was it written? So for the current mine it would have they probably don't have a restoration plan because that was approved under
previous um set of LDRs. But for the for the new phases that's a current plan but it won't be it won't be implemented until the end. But it was written recently. Right. It's it's primarily latoral zone plantings is primarily what
latoral zone plantings to stabilize the the um banks. Yeah. Um did I read it correctly that um abandoned citrus grove furrows are jurisdictional wetlands? So that that does happen over time
unfortunately. Um the the the furrows do take on the characteristics of being like a wetland and unfortunately you know Yeah. Unfortunately the way D works it's now wetlands. Yeah. But the only thing they do is produce mosquitoes. So I'm assuming that
when the restoration plan's implemented that a more environmentally friendly wetland will exist there. Right. So most of it's going to be pond. Uh I mean essentially all of the site's going to be water. Yeah. Yeah. And um my my other question
is what's the depth of these minds? Oh, of course he had to ask that. Um which I don't have off the top of my head. Um I will gladly uh defer to the applicant um who is here tonight because I don't I can get you that number, but I don't have it in front of me.
Okay. They'll So when this is all done and over and done, there'll be eight ponds there. They they'll all be uh eventually those cells interconnect. So it's it's all a single. So one big pond, right? With some dikes in between, but yes, it's
somewhat like a a dyke in between the three phases. Yeah. Those dikes are like roadway, right? Right. Correct. Yeah. And so so those will be steepsided ponds. Um no, the slope does there. It kind of slopes down and then drops off if that makes sense.
Okay, good. So, um, I'll open the floor for any public comment. Anyone that would like to comment. Um, choose your podium name and address. Good evening. Wesley Mills, Mil Shorton
Associates. I'm the engineer record for the project. Uh, just to provide some more clarification on the pond depths. Um so the pond depth of the new uh portion of the mine will match the existing um portion which is 90 ft or thereabouts. Um as far as the pond slope
goes, it um it meets all the same St. John's and county requirements as uh any subdivision or anything like that. Um we have all of our uh development permits in hand. So um we've went through the county's storm water review.
We've went through St. John's Water Management District. We've been through Indian River Farms and we've also paid um the reservation credit for the wetland that that's being impacted. And so are you pulling pretty much pure sand out of these or or is it sand and
rock or is it shell? I believe it's mostly sand. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's sifted and then delivered to to sites. Yes. I I I think a lot of the sand actually goes to some of the beach beach reourishment projects for the county. Yeah. So that's why we're anxious to get
this up and going because we know you guys have some projects coming up. Y raises a question then. I mean because previously I know they've tried to do that for the beach reourishment but it wasn't pure enough and questions about the trucks all running through there. So is this
something they're going to reattempt? I'm not sure. Reattempt um well using the sand for the beaches instead of pulling it off, you know, out of the ocean. That's yes, that's my understanding. It depends on the quality, but certain
mines have much better quality and the hall trucks are able to uh traverse onto the beach. Uh typically there's a transfer because a lot of the the trucks that are on the beach are a different they're not a conventional just dump truck that's
meant for roadway travel. There's those are more of the haul trucks with the big tires. So there'll be a transfer if if for beach projects specifically. Okay. And uh where will the sand be stockpiled on the site? We have we have two locations. So the main entrance where you come into the
site um which is existing there's an existing scale and office um location as you come into the main entrance. Um you can see it where the red arrow is almost in the middle of the site there. There'll be uh stockpie material on both
the north and south side of that main main road. So the the name of the company is um uh Badcock Cocina Mine. Uh is are you mining coina rock too or I I think that's just like a legacy
corporation. It's just the purely property owner. So the county I I know the county has contracts for um Anastasia Shell um that they use for bedding. The the sifted Anastasia shell, the black and the white shell. That's that's not this sort of
mine, right? I'm not familiar with that, but I don't I don't believe so. Okay. Any other questions? And ditch five sounds like Felmir. I wonder where that name came from. I think Mr. Jenkins, uh, that was your name, right? Yeah. Ditch five.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good. Good. Um, so I'll close the floor for public comment unless anyone else would like to speak. I guess not. Um, any additional commissioner questions, statements, discussion on the
right? No. On the left, no. Call for a motion. Motion to approve. Second. Uh, all in favor? I I opposed. Um, it is, uh, passes unanimously. Uh, so, um,
Commissioner Matters, you said you had a Yeah. Um, infrastructure questions. So, you know, sure. Um, seen enough of these projects to know that roads and water and electric and
all that stuff is definitely considered schools and, you know, stuff, but what about drainage? I'm seeing an issue in this county right now. So, thank you, Mr. Chair, Mr. Campbell.
the well when you mean when you say drainage there's probably probably means a number of different things but primarily on-site drainage within like a subdivision or or a commercial site multif family what have you. they they have to not only retain, you know,
everything that's on their site with with depending on what scenario is, they can ultimately outfall into a canal, but it's usually what's called preverse post, meaning in the pre-existing condition, they can only outfall um that much or less. The other thing they also
have to account for is surrounding properties. If historically properties flow through, they have to account for that as well. Um the other drainage is offsite for roadways, intersections, and that's where a lot of times you'll hear
us partic particularly plan developments, which I don't want to get into a conversation about plan developments because we'll be talking about that next meeting. Um they will actually bring in storm water. Typically when you have a county road or or a state road, but mostly county or local
um they they put their drainage in swale in roadside swailes, but you know those aren't typically sufficient. So when we have a development project that's going to do a roadway improvement, they'll actually send that storm water into the project site. Um so and that's
definitely, you know, considered to be a public benefit because otherwise the county has to acquire tracks to build these little storm water ponds. Um, but that being said, you know, a lot of a lot of subdivisions like Pinewood Gardens, the first project we saw, you
know, it's on the south side of a canal, so there's no way they can help with the with the roadway drainage, so to speak. Um, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm seeing I'm seeing issues come up, especially like Felsmere, obviously, uh, you know,
and then VLE, uh, things like that. even talk about the other one after but the more building projects that we have this is going to get worse. So how are we going to look at this because you know what what's the convention for
every acre of roof you basically lose six inches of absorption or something like that. So you know how are we going to look at this? There's that sheet that you send out there's a lot of potential building coming pretty fast. So how how are we go
how are we addressing drainage if it's already an issue? The well I think the the answer the answer is twofold. What the short answer unfortunately for places like BL Felsmere that are platted subdivisions that didn't really account for
proper drainage especially now. Uh you're going to have to see retrofit projects. you're going to see the county or other entities actually buying lots and and and you know putting storm water ponds to account for that. But for new development projects again they're going to take care of their own drainage
requirements in addition to whatever historically has has flowed into them. But they in some instances they also will account for you know additional drainage to the extent that they can. Um but it's not a simple issue. Yeah. Right. And so, you know, that was
part that's part of what I'm getting at is when these developments come, is it going to be on the developer a lot of times to fix existing problems because they now want to It definitely is. When I said like again for their site, absolutely. And even historically, if it's known that the site to the, you
know, to either side of them has historically flowed into them, they have to account for that. Um, to fix the county side or the the public facing side, it depends on the the scope of the project. The uh the second piece to it that I'm seeing is flood zones have
changed and so elevations have changed and I've seen properties uh in Rosland and now we've got some property uh on US1 and 77th where they're doing them where your existing properties were at one place and elevations were set. Now we've got new elevations that are 4 foot
higher and the new properties are basically flooding the older properties and I don't see anything addressing those either. So is there some thought to that or it's very Yes. And it's well beyond my capability as a non-engineer to to try to explain but the
mind sure I could address it. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, we're a direct writer of FEMA. I mean I I understand it but go ahead. I was just going to say that the the modeling and all that again that the there's a whole that's why one of the
reasons for why some of these projects take a little while to work through the system is the engineering of that thing of that goes into it. Um but but yeah the the drainage reports are you know volumes thick sometimes. So, you have an engineer here who can probably explain it. But I mean, when
they do that, because I used to get those phone calls having worked for the builders, why you drain, they make you put a belly in, which may or may not suffice, but that's about all you can do. And they homeowners don't want to put any more dirt than they have to because it's just costing them money. Uh, dirt's not cheap anymore.
But I am glad to hear the county is looking at like VLE and some other areas. They need to be buying a bunch of lots, put a pond in. But that leads to my next question. Um, isn't is there a requirement, I guess, but that I've noticed that when
the county does their own ponds, they're all fenced off. Correct. Yes. So, why is it a problem for a private party to not have to do that? This came in, this came up last year with that drowning. And he's got a great point. And we had something approved and then
it didn't apply through the county commission. So that's that's because um we're not we cannot necessarily require them to do anything more than what's already in our LDRs and that would require an LDR amendment for us to be able to put that
kind of condition on that particular development. Um from my recollection of that particular development. With that being said, just be mindful that putting something like requesting for there to now be a fence around all ponds would probably be deemed to be more
restrictive. And we have SB80 right now that has been kind of knocking everything and anything that's more restrictive. So, we could look at something like that in the future, but right now, and let's just hope, knock on wood, we don't get any more hurricanes this year,
um that we could get that done. So, um, if that is a prerogative of the PNZ and the BCC, I imagine it'd be punitive to to require that on one property and not on everyone else, you know, just all the
a minor expense though to incur for a developer an LDR for all um because the law the one lawsuit or we have any attorneys here? Oh, we have the one lawsuit will take care of that money. Right. Right. You're right.
And it's going to happen again. Ryan, I have one question that really is not your forte, but maybe you could tell me who I could go to. Sure. Being per se in agriculture with Farm Bureau
and a always being blamed about pollution in the inter coastal runoff. Every single day driving to work, I look at these lawn maintenance companies, they all blow everything into the
street. And I even got with Judge Morgan on this. How is how is this allowable? Because you're talking about fertilizer. You're talking about And it's just acceptable to blow everything into the
street, then it goes down the storm drains, goes out into the river. It's not a it I mean are there not regulations and I know again planning and zoning I know it's not your deal but
what county regulation authority would would police that. You would need a police powers. No, it it's it's it's terrible. I mean it anywhere you go with the exception of
maybe John's Island none of their debris is rad up and hauled off. It's just blown in the street to be run over and go down the drains. I I believe that would be natural resources with storm water. Um hopefully
Kylie doesn't kill me for putting her name out there like that. No, no, that's fine. It's just something I think about all the time. That's who would deal with that. And all you got to do is go out in a boat and look at our brown river. I can put you in contact with some folks. Yes.
And to your question about uh drainage, be on the lookout for storm water uh storm water fees and taxes additionally, you know, put on impervious land for I think that's probably something that a lot of municipalities might look at. Well, I mean, honestly, that's something that should be addressed, too, because
you hear all the time, you know, nobody nobody in the county wants to be the next Miami or Orlando or anything. That's not how any voter I've ever met in Indian River County wants to see this county developed. The development is going to happen. But we do need people
need to have the message that quality of life has a cost to it. So, you know, it has to be understood. Couple things u on terms of blowing the grass. Um
I've noticed in the city they blow it gets out in the street and then somehow they blow it back. It I don't know why or how that works. They're just relying on cars to run over it and ultimately goes down the drains. Yeah. Well, but my point is it's it's
in the city whether they've got some enforcement or uh whether they've beat up on the land. No, but but even the even the city employees do it. He's right about that. Oh, okay. And then on the subject of drainage, uh
do we have any the county have any plans for uh either maintaining or improving the dirt roads? I know they've got graders and things like that, but is that right is that satisfactory at this time?
So, I mean paving paving unpaved roads is is um you know there there is a schedule so so to speak, but it's a very costly schedule. I I think maintaining existing and repaving is is priority over paving
new unpaved. However, um again, as you guys probably do see from time to time, different development projects that when they develop, they're on the hook for paving um or extending unpaved roads. So, um but an outright, you know, just finding a county dirt road that they're
going to pave. It's it's not it's really v and places like that. It's like I said it it's going to take it would take years and years to you'd have to have a paving assessment that we used to do that. Sure.
City is a little different than VLE when they paid two grand for their lots and they have to pay two grand. Now they're worth 50. N that's why it's a good time to be buying those lots for the county. No, they're down under 30 now. So, well,
yeah, you're right. It was two and five and then it went way buy a double lot for 2500 back in the early 80s. Have Well, that's why they fought county water. I don't have 2500 now. So,
I remember Terry Pendo spent $500,000 on a plan to put water in there. As much as I'm enjoying this conversation, there you go, Dr. Day. Get it. planning matters matters. Again, it's uh I did put it on here and at this point it's not really a save the
date, but more of market calendars and and you're invited um two weeks from tonight. It's the joint board of county commissioners planning zoning uh commission meeting. It is devoted solely to the PD process. So, there will not be
any other P&Z items. Um so, be ready. That'll be fun. Now, I'm assuming they're they're going to sit down there. I know. We've already No, the night the nights are ours. We We've already uh rep's lap figured that part out. So you guys you guys will have a sign.
I'll be damned. When you say we're invited, do you get a good deal? An option. Well, I mean, can you ask I mean because I missed the meeting that suggested this to happen, I guess. Uh what is the going to be? What's the format? What is what are we doing?
Right. So there will be a staff report and there will be a presentation with with um talking points but ultimately my the way I envision it is we the staff is seeking out direction joint direction from both the board and the planning and zoning commission on how to address
certain key items that are have arisen with the plan development process and Ryan if I could chip I don't know if you were here but we turned down a development that was basically zero lot line And the commissioners
were questioning why we did it when they just had a meeting that said they didn't want that. So the the subject came up. Look, we have no direction. What is it they're looking for? Because if we're supposed
to just rubber stamp everything that comes across, you know, and so it was intended as a workshop to kind of Let's hash it out. Where where are we going with this? And and probably to determine what's a real public benefit
that will be priority or or your topic number one will be public benefit. There's are there's also some other items that we'll need to discuss and seek input on because it's it's not solely just public benefit and waiverss. There's there's some other items. Will we get an agenda and the talking
points ahead of time? Correct. Yes. Yes. So the I mean just like you normally would it's it's going to be No. No, it'll be the it'll be the Friday before the meeting. Um, so as the acting director, can't you just slide that off onto somebody else for that and the development report and
everything else? No, I got to do it myself. Let go. Are we going to get uh you said we'll get talking points and some kind of backup, but links to things so we can prepare ourselves? Again, it's going to be
and the commission can do the same. It'll be just like your normal you'll get a packet with an agenda and um a staff report and attachments. Um I will say it will be slightly different because it'll be an official BCC agenda which we actually process through a a
software called Granicus. So if you've ever looked at the board agenda, it's got a certain format to it and then you click on the actual link. Um, so the way I envision that is, um, TNA will be sending out the board agenda kind of
like it normally goes out and then I intend to just forward that same agenda materials to all the planning and zoning comm. It's this is a it is a little bit out of the norm. So, um, but yeah, that it'll get forwarded to you all. And I was going to ask you about that email list, which is like that long. I mean, there's a lot of Where did that
whole list come from? There's been a lot of people added on to that and there are people in there that are dead, I Are you talking about the agenda only? I wasn't going to say that. No longer involved. The agenda only list. Yeah, that's other people that have been interested in receiving items. They can ask to be included in that list, too.
Anyone can. Yeah. So, that changes from meeting to meeting. Um, not uh probably not meeting to meeting, but it I we do update it. I probably Yes, there are probably some folks that no longer need to need it, but unless we receive notice
for one reason or another Good. Anything else? That's it. Good. Attorney matters. No. Uh, thank the Lord. We're a jerk.