Good evening and welcome to the uh March 26, 2026 meeting of the Indian River County Planning and Zoning Commission. I'll call this meeting to order and we'll begin with the pledge of allegiance. Please >> aliance to the flag of the United States
of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Are there any additions or deletions to tonight's agenda?
>> Nope. Um I see no. Our first uh order of business is the approval of the minutes for the March 12th, 2026 meeting. >> So move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> opposed. Uh March 12th meeting um
minutes are approved. Uh tonight we have one agenda item. It is uh a public hearing and it is a bureau classical school request for a special exemption use and site plan approval for a K
through 12 private school. TLC BBCS LLC is the owner and applicant. Mill Shorton Associates LLC is the agent. The zoning is A1 agricultural district up to one unit per 5 acres. Land use
designation is AG1 agricultural one up to five you up to one unit per five acres. Um are there any uh declarations of expartite communication and can everyone evaluate this item with an open mind? >> No and I will.
>> Yep. Okay. Good enough. Um we will um swear in all uh people who would like to speak on this, please stand and get sworn in. >> Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth? >> I do. >> I do. >> Uh thank you. Uh staff presentation. >> All right. Good evening, chair, members of the board. Before you today is the Vero Classical K through2 school special exception use in phase one major site
plan. The property is located west of 58th Avenue north of 13th Street Southwest and south of Oslo Road or 9inth Street Southwest. On screen is an aerial of the site just kind of depicting what the overall school site's going to look like with
existing conditions. As you can see, the majority of the property is clear with uh partial uh vegetation towards the western edge of the property. This uh special exception is for a three-phased uh project. So everything
that you see not colored in white is phase one of the project. Phase two is everything in blue and phase three is everything in red. Um, so for the majority of phase one, this is going to be the uh ancillary gym along with some
of the admin, a school and library uses on the property. Uh, phase two is going to be some more school buildings, some ball fields, and um some tennis courts, and then finally phase three is going to be the rest of the parking for the project. And then hopefully a football
stadium and track field and with and then there's also some other buildings as well. So phase one site plan is subject to your approval tonight pending the decision by the BCC. So again phase one site plan is going to be the majority of
the parking for the property. Um the ancillary gym, the library, the classrooms and admin space. And then there's also going to be a multi-purpose practice field. All of the storm water ponds are going to be incorporated in phase one. All of the landscape buffers are going to be incorporated in phase
one. and then also a playground area as well. So, we're going to get into the traffic. Um, so this is going to be a complete buildout of 58th Avenue Southwest from Oslo Road all the way down to 13th Street Southwest. There is going to be a
buildout of 13th Street Southwest from 58th Avenue Southwest, approximately 170 ft west of the project's driveway. There's going to be turn lane improvements that are going to be incorporated along both roads and then also 58th Avenue Southwest and 13th Street Southwest intersection
improvements are also included in this as well. As noted, the two storm water ponds in blue are going to be uh constructed with phase one of the project. And then finally, as part of the special exception use, uh the uh project is
required to have a 20ft continuous type-C landscape buffer around the whole entire perimeter of the property. the applicant will be providing that for improvements and other conditions. Uh just want to note that educational centers in the A1 zoning district must adhere to specific land use criteria in
section 971.144 of the county's land development regulations. The proposed plans comply with all seven of those criteria. They are listed in detail in the staff report and also explained in detail in the staff report. Uh these criteria generally revolve around site selection,
increased building setback, landscape buffers, and adequate parking. I also want to take special note that staff was required to publish a legal advertisement in the newspaper, send out a notice by mail to all property owners within 100 or within 300 ft of the project site, and we were required to
post a sign to the property as well. So, just to kind of go over the roadway improvements in a little bit more detail. So, they're going to be required to construct 58th Avenue Southwest to include pavement and striping from the current pavement terminus to 13th Street
Southwest. They're going to be required to construct a southbound right turn lane on 58th Avenue Southwest at 13th Street Southwest. construct 13 streets southwest to include paving and striping from 58th Avenue Southwest to approximately 170 feet west of the
project's 13th Street Southwest driveway connection. And finally, construct construct a westbound right turn lane at the project's 13th Street southwest driveway connection. Also noted, a 20 foot wide type C landscape buffer is required to be installed around the
entire perimeter of the property. As I explained, pursuant to section 971.1446 of the county's land development regulations, they will also be required to dedicate 30 ft of rideway for 13th Street Southwest. And they're also required to do internal and external
sidewalks on both 58th Avenue Southwest and 13th Street Southwest. staff recommends that the PZC recommends that the BCC grant special exception use approval and that the PC the PZC grant phase one site plan approval subject to
the BCC approval of the special exception use for the Vero Classical School with conditions listed in the staff report. These conditions generally relate to dedication of the 30 ft of rideway for 13th Street Southwest approval of all final landscaping site lighting and tree protection and
mitigation improvements. construction of all required off-site roadway and traffic improvements. Construction of all other applicable improvements noted on the site plan and special note that the maximum student enrollment shall not exceed 1,194 students without additional county
approval. Thank you. >> Thank you. Um staff questions on my right. Any staff questions or any uh commissioner questions? Go ahead. >> I have my question really is multiple. Um, number one,
I came in tonight thinking we were only talking about the zoning because it was special exception. >> Mhm. >> But I see in your presentation you talked about schools with A1 zoning. >> Mhm. >> Why? Number one, why is there a special
exception? You know, as far as this concerned, you did address I had some concerns about the dirt roads. you addressed that, but why is this a special exception? It looks like we're not just approving
zoning, but yet phase one. >> Mr. Chair, if I could take a stab at that for the record, Ryan Sweeney, assistant plane development services director. Calvin, um, so the we're the zoning is already A1. The property zoned A1 schools or educational facilities are
allowed as a special exception use within the A1 zoning district. There's a handful, probably more than a handful of different uses that can be approved via the special exception process within A1 zoning. Um, that's the educ that's the use. So, the use would cover the entire
three phases up to 1,194 >> four. Yes. >> And then in addition to tonight, they're also requesting concurrently site plan approval for four phase one, which is um uh breakdown on students. I believe it is 330 students. Um, so you have the use
approval has to be grant recommended by you all and ultimately approved by the board in order for phase one site plan approval to be blessed or or allowed if you will. But rather than go through that process and then come back with the phase one site plan, we're doing it concurrently. >> Understand? Thank you. >> You good, Calvin?
>> Yes, sir. >> Yep. Anyone else on the right? >> Not at this time. >> Okay. Any questions on the left? >> No. >> I've got one. Brandon, I I and correct me if I'm wrong, the South County Initiative has
13 Street Southwest on the other side. >> Mhm. >> I think a 43rd to put a bridge there if there's any development to take place. Correct. >> Yes. >> Yes, I know the answer. Yes. Uh
my next question and I happen to read it in the paper this morning too and Larry Reeseman wrote it so I don't believe a lot of that. uh careful s >> it's there's going to be a lot of development out in this area and I'm just putting my
two cents in tonight that I hope we don't allow developments to be enclosed and private because if you're going to have something like this we should be able to get to it no matter where you are out there >> right >> okay that's all I have >> yeah I mean as soon as all these
projects come online we take a look at the traffic study and determine what roadway improvements need to be made >> and and I think it's already beginning to road away from the South County initiative of some of the developments that have been approved out there. >> Yeah, if you're talking about some of the PD projects going to conventional,
there have been some projects that decided they wanted to go conventional, but for this specific project >> um in their traffic study, um they were going to be required to do some improvements that would have been on the hook for the Emerson Oaks project. However, since the Emerson Oaks project is in full development, those
requirements are actually being done. So, the school's not on the hook for those. >> Okay. >> Could also 13th Street Southwest is currently paved from between 43rd and 58th. So, that's already an existing full. >> So, they're just going to be extending that pavement westward.
>> Yeah, >> correct. But one key one key thing to note, the segment between from 13th Street Southwest of 58th Avenue back to the intersection is not paved. And by paving that segment, it is going to allow a lot of those subdivisions to go west to go north as opposed to trying to
make that left out on the 43rd. So it it could actually alleviate some of that that area. >> And those traffic studies showed that that was appropriate and good work. >> Correct. >> Will the road improvements be done before beginning the project?
>> They'll be done with phase one. So they would be done prior to CO of the first phase. Y >> any other questions on the left? Dr. Day. >> Yes, >> I do have one. I'm not a commissioner. Don't have a vote, but I do represent the school ward. So, um, question I have
for you is about sidewalks. >> Okay. >> So, where are the sidewalks on this plan? >> The entire frontage of 58th Avenue and 13th Street South. >> Okay. And those will will be built when the >> phase one. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Good.
>> Okay. >> Mr. Sure. I just the the the applicant does have a presentation and then they're also available to answer any technical questions. Also, as you might have guessed, there's some folks here with the school. So, they um they can answer any sort of operational enrollment questions like that.
>> Okay. Should we do the applicant presentation before we open? >> Yep. >> I do have one question before he starts. The retention pond, >> is that going to be a dry retention pond? >> Wet. How deep? >> Well, I'll defer to the ER when we get
there. We went there last month. Good thing I'm back, huh? >> Thanks, Brandon. >> Evening, chairman. My name is Dan Sorrow with Mills Short and Associates. I just want to thank staff for their presentation. Uh, this meeting has been a long time coming, so we're thankful to
be here tonight. I'm going to make one presentation for both the special exception use and the site plan. Uh so both of those agenda items are are here uh before you. I'm thankful and pleased to be part of such a uh wonderful team, local team made up of local
professionals. Um most of our team is available in the audience as well as the school operator should you have any questions uh after the presentation. uh the mission and vision of Vero Classical School. The mission is to provide an exceptional Christ-c centered
education in the classical tradition that cultivates wonder, wisdom, and worship through the pursuit of truth, goodness, and beauty. The vision is to see students experience the joy of learning and the grace of Jesus Christ and be equipped to live thoughtfully,
humbly, purposefully in service of God and man. Um, and you know, this project, should it move forward tonight, will finally give Vero Classical a place to call home. They're currently leasing space in the city at Tabernacle, and after finding this property, um, it'll
be a sort of autonomy that they can have and be able to uh to move forward here in Indian River County. Most of you are familiar with where the project site is located. It's really on the south county uh just south of Oslo Road about halfway between US1 and I 95. Uh you can see
that there is a lot of development happening just to the east of this site um with current residential communities uh just bordering our site. A little bit closer view of the project site. It is south of Oslo, just off 58th Avenue and
13th Street. The site's approximately 53 acres large. Um and uh and you know this site it was old citrus groves. So a lot of the sites in Indian River County are like that. So there's not uh any wetlands, not any quality upland habitat
communities. Uh most of it right now is exotics, Brazilian peppers and things that uh we're going to clean out as part of our development uh program. Uh the school at Phil full buildout is just under 1,200
uh students. Uh we've got those broken up into three different classifications. The elementary school, the middle school, and the high school all uh respectively shown on the screen. It is kindergarten through 12. Uh some of the facilities that you see on the campus,
it's very well-rounded with classrooms, admin offices, libraries, parking, storm water treatment areas, plazas, courtyards, uh playgrounds, and uh reflection pools and gardens. This site plan aerial shows the uh
current uh spatial components of the plans that we've worked so diligently with staff to uh to bring to uh this evening and it shows how the site has been designed. Um you know one of the things that you'll see is that most of
the building footprint is consolidated. It's kind of in the middle of the 53 acres. We've done that uh intentionally so as to uh provide great separation and great uh buffering to our neighbors and our community. Um and you know I have small kids so one of the things that you
often think about is the car line and how people are going to get to uh drop the kids off and how they're going to get to their uh classrooms. Uh and we've done this strategically so that a 58th Avenue is a bus drop off and teacher
parking lot. So those folks are isolated from the parent car line drop off and the student parking drop off. So those would locate and use the access shown on the bottom of the screen off 13th Street. So having this separation helps the car lines flow well, helps the
traffic flow well, uh and helps um decentralize a lot of that. And I think the school operator will also come up at the end talk a little bit about arrival times and drop off, but having staggered approaches also helps for things to flow
a little bit more uh smoothly. This is a 3D version of the site plan that we just looked at showing in a little bit uh more of a of a you know a 3D version but it it does show how the buildings in the campus are uh
consolidated to the middle of the site and uh it does have the retention ponds on the periphery. You can see that with our type-c buffer that is being planted fully, the whole thing, the whole 53 acres is going to have the type-c buffer before we can get our first CO. So,
that's a substantial investment that uh the school is making as well as having all the off-site roadway improvements completed before we can get the CO, the sidewalks along 53rd or 58th and 13th Street. So uh there with this phase one
plan there is a lot of elements and infrastructure going in that go well beyond the phase one improvements. Uh so I think I think that's something that we just wanted to to point out. Uh the architectural rendering next
couple slides show some pictures of the buildings and the campus. Uh the main administration the library classroom what you pull up and see is uh just under 19,000 square feet. it is two story and uh you know this architecture can
best be defined as classical. It's timeless. It's uh very very uh formal, very very well done. Here's another view of that main administration building with the reflective pool. You know, water is a activity generator. It's something nice
to see when you're dropping kids off or coming to the school uh for an event at night. Uh it's it's it's a welcoming type curb appeal feature and uh we're happy to have it and you know front and center as one of the main parts of the uh welcoming campus.
This is the rear of that same building. Uh some of the outdoor play spaces are hidden by the architecture and the structure uh such as the children's play area and and outdoor gardens. The interior of the building has detailed finishes with some of the
ornate crown molding and decorative features. Uh very well done and very very classy. Here's another example of the indoor foyer. Uh as you work uh and walk further in through the building. The gymnasium these days have multiple
purposes. You can have dances in them. You can have indoor celebrations uh as well as pep rallies and those sorts of things. So, you've got the retractable uh basketball hoops that allow for uh a little bit larger and open play area with the uh with the seats that retract
as well. Um so, very very dual purposing and functioning for an indoor uh gymnasium space. And then uh lastly, we've got the library and the reading and the studying room. These are all uh warm materials. It's a very cohesive
learning environment, very inviting for uh for study and reflection and reading as well. Um in closing, uh you will find that in your staff report on page four, five, and six that staff made the
determination that we meet every single one of the criteria for the special exception use. And our request is that you send this to the BCC with a recommendation of approval uh for both the special exception and the site one uh or the phase one site plan. Uh and
and last but not least, Commissioner Day, uh Chairman Day, I'd like to uh request your permission to have Mr. Kelly come to the podium and give a little bit more detail and explanation about the school and why tonight is so important for them. >> Go ahead. >> Thank you.
Thank you. Uh, thanks for having us here. This has been a long a long time coming. And can you guys hear me? Okay. >> Yeah. I just need you to identify yourself. >> Identify myself. Okay. I am, uh, Mr. Michael Kelly. Uh, and I'm standing along my my wife. Go ahead. >> I'm Jame Kelly.
>> Independent woman right there. Um, and we are the we're the co-founders. So, this has been a dream of ours uh for really 15 years in the making. when when my wife worked at a a first year classical Christian school in Illinois and where basically uh she was ruined for the ordinary um and just was exposed
in just the first year what these third grade students were capable of and she said I just can't imagine any other education for our kids if God chooses to bless us with kids this is the way we would love to instruct them as she was seeing kids in third grade memorize things >> first first grade they were even younger
than I thought um but just how much they were they were capable of and I love the idea a of classical education amplifying the gifts that God has given them and that's the mindset in which we approach every day is say you know how are how are all these kids uniquely and beautifully and wonderfully made and how can we amplify the unique gifts that
that God has blessed them with and how can we pull that out of them rather than say hey this is the test this is the test but say you know what is unique about you Luke what is unique about you Cody and say let's bring the best out of you right like let's we're not all trying to be doctors but let's go be the best electrician that God has let's go
be the best lawyer you know the best you know teacher and So, whatever that is, identify those strengths and pour into the strengths of those kids. And so, that's the heart behind uh what we're doing. Uh we love we're really the only classical Christian school that's a full-time school within probably an hour and a half drive. Uh there are some some
homeschooling options locally that are happening at a really great level, but this is the first thing that has really said, "Hey, we want this to be a full-time option. Parents have jobs." Um and so we have these kids full day, five days a week, 8 to three. um and started our first uh basketball program and
football programs that a lot of these kids are on. Uh and so it's been fun to see that that athletic program begin too. Um we love the way that sports can can not only uh shape character but can reveal it and it gives us a chance to talk about those things. So not only do we have a GPA but we have a CPA, we have
a character point average um which we allows our our teachers and parents to speak into, hey, you may be a really great kid and a really great student. You have all A's, but guess what? you were super prideful and you were super arrogant and like let's look into those things. >> Sorry, we don't say it to them. >> Yeah, I don't say those things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really, I'm speaking
about myself. I'm sorry. Um but it's just it's just nice to have these other touch points with with parents to say, "Hey, it's not just about the grades, but we care about your soul as well." And so um a lot of the classical literature will will talk about um shaping hearts and minds. And that's a book that we give to our um we give to our parents that they all read. And just
we care about uh the cultivation, the nurturing of the soul as well as the mind. Um, so that is a really brief history behind behind our mission. Um, it's been uh there's been an awesome response and thank you parents and friends for being here today. Um, but
you we see the reason we did not plan to grow this fast. Um, we we thought we were advised and we looked at other schools. They said if you can get to 100 kids within year five, you are crushing it. You're you're at top 10% if you're get at 100 kids by year five. And so we have 114 in year three and we'll be at
140 by by year four. And so, uh, this project, um, sped up faster than we anticipated. Um, we're thankful for all the folks in this room behind us that have supported it. And this, uh, but when you look at the demand and Mr. Simpson, our head of school back there, we'll tell you, we I mean we went to well over 220 expressions of interest.
Um, and so those don't always lead to applications because an application comes with a $75 fee and the parents aren't saying, "Hey, I'm going to pay $75 when they know there's no space, right?" And so, um, our biggest our biggest challenge right now is is to have the space to be able to host the just the the huge need and huge demand
for this, I guess, unique kind of education. We're not trying to supplant anything else. We're not trying to replace anything else that's happening. Um, we love that we are, you know, this is not competition. We're just we're a classical Christian school and it's really the only full full one in town, which gives parents options in this in
this day and age, which I think is just a great healthy thing for for everyone here. So, um, for >> Oh, yeah. And that's it for me. going to get kicked out. Here's my wife. >> I just want to briefly add, I don't know if I introduced myself again. I'm Jameson Kelly again. Um, I just wanted to point out that while classical Christian education is kind of sweeping
the nation of late, it's actually well over 2,000 years old and how education used to take place and has been proven over a long period of time to be very successful and time-tested. Um, so we're just bringing an opportunity for that time- tested education to be available
in the Indian River County area. Um, and it has been very interesting to see the response and the desire that the parents had for that type of education. And just to add what to Michael said in our mission and vision statement, it talks about the joy of learning and the grace of Jesus. And those two things are on
par for us. We want excellence in education. Uh, but we also care deeply about the formation of their virtues and the habits of their heart. Um, and so if you were to come on campus, you would see joyful teachers who love Jesus, who are im worthy of emulation of the children. They love what they're doing.
They love learning. They love kids. Um, and the kids are excited to come to school. And that's what we we want lifelong learners that are going to go um graduate from our school and become useful, helpful citizens that serve the Lord and serve their neighbors. And so that's the ultimate goal. It's what we wanted for our boys. Uh we have three
boys at the school and now God, I guess, wanted it available to more than just our three boys. and that's where Bureau Classical School was born from. So, I just wanted to point out that it's not a new fad or a new phase. It's time tested. And um I'm really excited to see what that first graduating class looks like when they walk across the stage. Um
which we have one the oldest and then we'll have one also who is our first kindergarten class. So, it's going to be really cool to watch that as well. And thank you for all your time and consideration. >> Yeah. >> I've got one question for you, Lee. >> About three or four pages back, we had some state championships. You all
already like >> wishful thinking. >> I like that >> one can dream. >> Yeah. >> Dr. I have a question. I have a question if I can please. >> Um >> always I know that traffic is a concern. So one of my questions is how many are
most of your families multiple students within this >> of our 114 kids? It's from 73 families >> from 73. Okay. So that's a pretty large percentage of of siblings that are going as well. So, in my opinion, and and I'll have to ask the engineer, was that taken
into consideration in your traffic studies or is that not taken into the traffic study as far as, you know, that producing and and backing and and and you know, delivery? Because it seems to me that that has a huge effect on on how
much traffic would be generated. >> Yeah. Good evening. Uh Sean McKenzie with Mackenzie Engineering and Planning here representing the applicant. Um, and I would say that is somewhat taken into account for in our traffic studies. Uh, because what we do is we use a national
average of a K through 12 type facility. So, we think that that is representative of a typical facility where you'd have multiple students from one family attending the same school. >> Okay. So, so that's been taken into all your your calculations and things already. Good. >> I believe so. Yes.
>> Yeah. And it looks like your your your parent drop off, which I I would imagine is probably a majority of your students way of getting to school. Is that correct? >> And it sounds like you're pulling that off a 13th in order to have enough so that there's no stacking out onto 58th
in those turn lanes. Is that correct? >> Correct. Yes. >> Yeah. Because that would be a concern, I think, of of the public uh that that that's not going to stack and and cause issues there on 58th. Is that correct? >> That is correct. Yeah, that's been studied for all three phases of the school to make sure there's adequate
capacity in every phase of the school to keep all the all those parents on site. >> Thank you. That helps a lot. Thank you. >> Go ahead. >> Sure. >> Hi, Scott Simpson, head of school. Um, this is my 25th year in education. Uh, 17 in Indian River County Schools. Um,
one of the primary jobs of the principal or head of school is parent pickup. In fact, one of the uh piece of advice I always give to new principles is make sure you do a good job with parent pickup and drop off because that's 95% of what parents see because on a daily basis they're not walking the school but they are driving onto the campus. Um and
so I mean our current pickup uh today we were done at within 8 minutes because that's about 3 at 309 is when I called you know all all remaining students to the front. Um, and so at my previous two schools, Ocola Magnet and Treasure Coast Elementary, I greatly changed our traffic in so that no cars were on the
roads because that is a very frustrating thing to neighbors. So, our current design allows for cars to not only come in um it goes all the way around uh the parking lot to the parent pickup area. Additionally, there's plans similar to what's happening at Storm Grove right now where the parent pickup lot loop is
made where you can put just through some simple cones where cars will pull in. They can do kind of an S through the parking lot all the way through. Uh my goal is to have all cars not even on 13th Avenue. Even though we have the the large turn lanes from third, sorry, 13th Street as well as 58th Avenue. I like to
see all cars within our parking lot area to take that down completely. >> And it sounds like that was designed into it to me. Is that correct? >> Yeah. I I like to joke that like I have no desire. I have no opinions on the colors of the chairs in the school, but the operations is very important to me. So,
>> right. Okay. Well, that that was one of my concerns was was traffic. So, thank you. >> You have a question? >> I do. You can stay right there, Mr. >> All right. First of all, I'd like to welcome all of our young students here. It's nice to see you all. And uh this is
government in action, so you get to see probably don't understand about the codes, but that's okay. Um, and thank you to parents for supporting your kids. I have worked in both public schools and in Christian schools. I believe in school choice and every parent should choose what they want for their child.
That's why we have so many good choices out there. And this public schools say the same thing. We say, you know, we want choice also. Choose us or choose you. It doesn't matter as long as kids are getting educated. >> Awesome. I do have some questions. Can we go back to the um the picture of the
school with the parking lot? I'll take >> So, Mr. Simpson, when you were at Oyola, >> how many students were there? >> Uh, 536. >> Okay. You're looking at double, right? >> Thousand >> for your projection >> for the full build. Yes.
>> Yes. But that's what you got to think about >> if you're totally full. Um, have you noticed that we we are moving Oyola and Rosewood because they're exploding in size. So, we're moving them to the middle middle school campuses. And part of the excitement about that is that
they have longer car pickup lines. >> Okay. >> Okay. One thing I noticed about this, I don't know how long that parking lot is. And you're talking about zigzagging around. >> It might be a thought to have another entrance on one end of the parking lot
so that you're bringing them farther around and off the road. I just think that you're look not looking in the future if if you get a thousand kids, you're going to have that problem >> just like we did. >> Okay, so that's one thing to think about. The other thing is I I didn't
notice any fences around the school. >> Um >> safety is a big concern for me. >> Um are you charter or private? >> Uh private. >> Private. Um so you're raising the funds yourself to do all the buildings and everything? Uh yes.
>> Okay. Um, one thing that really bothers me is a school without a fence around it. Um, if you've noticed, you know, we have to do a lot of that in the public schools. We're mandated to do that. You're not. I get that. Um, however, I I have a real concern with children not
being protected. Um, so fences, cameras, things like that. It's just the way of the world right now, unfortunately. Um, so that's one thing I look at whenever there's a new project or something. I want sidewalks. want fences um make sure that kids are being protected.
>> Yeah. Um there is fencing um around the retention ponds and then um our initial bill does have fencing. I don't know. Sorry, I'm pointing at this. I should >> Can you go back to the the picture of the kids with the playground? This what I'm referring to. You can walk right from the front parking lot all the
way. >> Yeah, the fencing would be on the lefth hand side of that. >> So, you're going to put a fence around the school. Um, that's my understanding. >> I think parents need to know that that's an important thing. >> Correct. Um, my understanding is that the fencing starts at that corner of that building right there um heads north
along that um along that parking lot and then connects with the retention pond fencing. And then eventually um the long-term design as well is the entire courtyard um it eventually is an enclosed courtyard with a single point of entry at the very front. And so we
have a kind of a similar setup to um all of the school remodels where there's a primary festival where you walk in where you interact with the secretary um and uh you know you get checked by both a human and the the computer system and then you're buzzed into the school. >> You know what I what I'm referring to on
that? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm just worried about no fencing in your plan. >> Yeah. It's on the left hand side. The picture doesn't have it. >> Okay. I just want to make sure that you're here. >> Yeah. I was second guessing if we had Yes. Also, um, we have a safety team, safety officer >> and he has worked with other local
schools. Um, I'm sure he would be happy to come out and and look at your proposal and say, you know, did you think about this? Did you think about this? >> Um, because I care about kids safety. I don't care what school they're in. They need to be safe. >> Yeah. Um, Sergeant Dixon, who's in
charge of the SRO's right now, um, he came out to our school at the beginning of the year and, um, actually his son graduated with my son. Uh so I've known him for a very long time. So he sat down and we went over all of our uh school safety protocols, our procedures as well as at our current campus and talking about our procedures in the future as
well. Um additionally, there's two different SRO's that I interact with on a regular basis. Um Deputy Sebrus, who is my former SRO when I was at Ocola. He actually is the first person who calls me even though he's technically not assigned to my school, but just have a long-standing personal relationship him.
And then uh Deputy Rodriguez is officially assigned to us. So anytime there's something in the area, they have a conversation with us. But every year at the beginning of the year since we've been open, we've had the local police department come out um typically the person who is in charge of the SRO's um to come out and and walk our building
and make sure we're following all those procedures. And that's my intention in the future. Um all of our procedures and conversations um in terms of the design of the building has been with the same um security things in mind. We follow the same procedures as a school district with all of the training that I've had. >> And you have an SRO on campus. Um, at
this point we don't. Uh, we do have an employee who's a a a licensed and trained security guard who has that training. They're not an official security guard, but they do have that license using the guardian program. Yeah. >> All right. Thank you for coming out. Appreciate it. >> Yeah. On the new campus, um, within our
budget, we have an SRO put into our budget um, as well as, you know, office space for that individual and everything. >> Great. Thank you. I'm just >> I just care about kids safety. >> No, I I I I agree completely. I say the most important thing that we do although ultimately our mission is the shaping
hearts and minds. Number one job is to keep students safe. Number two job is that culture of the school and number three is to make sure students are learning. I know it sounds odd to say learning is the third most important thing that we do. Uh but if students are not safe and there is if it's not a culture of like a we like to use the word joy of learning then that learning
won't take place and you can't shape hearts and minds and so that's the order that I've always gone and those procedures I follow. >> You're exactly right. Thank you. >> Thank you. Yep. >> Good. I had I had one more more question. It had to do with the phasing and this may be for um the engineer. Um
I noticed that the tennis courts are in phase two, but I don't notice any way to get to those tennis courts because phase three has the second parking lot that would adjoin some manner of getting there. Um was there a sidewalk planned or something for those
tennis courts? I didn't see it. It >> doesn't come before us tonight though. >> Yeah. >> No, it's not before us. Well, then Okay. >> So, this is just for the the use itself over all the phases, but the individual site plans for phase two and phase three. If they meet the 150,000 foot
threshold and over, it'll come to this board. If not, it'll revert to a staff level approval. >> Okay. So, there there's >> there will be more there will be more review. Yes. >> Thank you. >> It was just the court I saw. Any questions of the applicants on the left here?
>> I've got one. >> And I guess it's probably to us or the engineer. Is there a de acceleration lane coming off of 13th Street Southwest going into the >> Okay. And there's a de acceleration lane coming off of 58. >> Okay. That's it.
>> I have a bunch. Um, the first uh had to do with the the name and possible confusion with the school district's classical school. Uh, what is the name of that, Terry? >> Pelican Island Classical Magnet School.
>> Oh, okay. So, the name isn't the problem. Uh had had you considered uh indicating that this was a Christian classical school in the name and I assume that's non-denominational
within Christianity. Is that right? >> Yes. We like to call it interdenominational because we accept many denominations within the Christian realm. So we have representation from Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, um non-enominational, evangelical, all
attending the same school. Um Vero Christian Classical School sounded long. Um and then also our name of our school rarely I I suppose on your documents it doesn't look the same, but rarely for us does it not accompany our crest that has a cross and the Bible in the middle. So
it's um interpreted that it's a Christian school. Um, but I realized that on y'all's document it probably says Verocclassical School and doesn't have a cross with it, but Vure-Christian Classical School just seemed long. So, >> that do I take that to mean that
non-Christian students wouldn't be admitted? >> That is not always the ca the case. Does anyone want to come up here with me? Okay. So um for our admissions process, people uh apply and then we have an entrance assessment for the children and then we
have an in uh interview with the parents to make sure that everyone's on the same page as far as what they're looking for for their child and what we're looking for in partnership with parents. And so there is a statement of faith that parents are required to sign. If a parent were not to fully uh um believe every single thing on the paper, what
they're actually saying is we understand that this is what you're going to teach our child and we're not going to actively combat it at home or in the classroom. >> Thank you. And then um >> that was it. That's good. >> The phasing
uh will the grades be phased in or just the capacity of the school? We started K through four and then we added fifth grade in the second year, sixth grade in the third year, and then we will continue to add one grade per year until we're a full K through 12 program. >> It's one at a time. >> Okay. So, >> one grade at a time.
>> There will be nobody uh above the fourth grade in the in the beginning. >> We currently offer K through six and then next year we'll offer K through seven and then the following year K through eight. So, every consecutive year we'll add one grade.
>> I see. And that and that ties in with the phasing of the development. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And and part of the reason we designed phase one uh the way it is is it fits 330 kids. And if that's as big as God wants to get it, then that's fine. We we can run a full K through 12
school or 330 kids and we can run it all in that environment because it has 19 different classrooms baked in. Um but if it does grow quickly then, you know, we just need to raise more money to build the the additional phases. So Okay. >> Yeah. But we have it designed in a way that it could that could be it. This phase one could be it. So,
>> and uh let's see. I had a couple notes here. Um you showed nice pictures of the interior and u the library and um places like that. I didn't see or hear any mention
of a cafeteria. >> Go ahead. The eating area is actually outside right out the back door of the phase one building. Um, there will be a lot of tables in the back and all the kids will eat outside in a in a covered area. >> Can you hit that? I think it's on the on
the playground one. You can kind of see it. >> Yeah, right there >> to the right of the playground. >> Right. There's just that that covered area to the right. >> So, we can fit enough students outside that it's just in fresh air and they're still dry and >> see it. It's a way easier approach. >> My eyes aren't very good. and and we and
we eliminated any any um you know ovens and hood vents and all that. So we ke we kept it very simple for the health department and for this purpose that kids are really just going to bring lunches maybe you'll bust in Chick-fil-A every once in a while. So >> and the parents are okay with no air
conditioning. >> Yeah. Then when they chose to live to in Florida Yeah. We all signed up for it. Yeah. Oh, you guys okay with it? >> You okay with it? >> They're giving their thumbs up. >> And then just just out of curiosity, the
first thing we looked at was the U site plan and there's this big panhandle that isn't uh u doesn't have a landscape buffer. What What happens with that?
What did that come come as part of the >> purchase of the land or how'd that happen? >> Yeah. So, according to the landscape plans, there will be a buffer in that panhandle area. I think it was just the graphic that was created for their item.
>> Oh, yeah. I did see that. That's kind of weird. That panhandle. Does it have any use or >> No, it's just a vestage of how the properties were split previously. >> That's a ski shoot range. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Mark, can we lab pool? Yes. >> We move on. >> Okay, >> good. Um, so this is a public hearing. I was going to say we do need to open the public hearing >> and um I I think there are a lot of people that want would like to speak in
the one thing that we'll request is >> there you go first. >> Good evening ladies and gentlemen of the board. Thank you for your time. Uh my name is Dr. David Ayala and I am the father of uh two students who attend VCS. Um, I wanted to come here tonight
and publicly express what this school means to my family and uh what uh its growth would mean to the community. My family moved here from California in 2023 to be a part of the original cohort of VCS. Uh after speaking with Mrs.
Kelly and meeting with Mr. Simpson and other faculty in person, uh we knew God had led us to entrust our children's education uh to VCS. Uh this was uh a very difficult time for our children. Uh leaving California was not easy for
them. As a father, I felt helpless. As a Christian, I felt the overwhelming love and support being shown to my children and our family during a very difficult time. Mr. Simpson, Mrs. Swearing, and Mr. Smith went above and beyond their responsibilities as a teacher uh to
ensure that our children's needs were being met. This is what the body of Christ is called to do, and this is what the school encompasses. Regarding our children, scripture tells us that we are to train up our children in the way that they are to go so that when they are old, they do not depart from it. And in the great commission, Jesus was very
clear um that we are to go out and make disciples. I believe VCS has called us to do just that. And every board member, faculty, and staff member believes it as well. This school is not just about excellence in academics. It's about modeling to the community what Jesus
modeled for us. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Anyone else? >> Hi, my name is Dr. D. Roier and I'm actually up here a little bit on a selfish note. Okay. Um, first I want to say that I'm so proud of all of you. We
are totally behind the school. We live in the South Lake subdivision and our backyard literally is going to be adjacent to the corner of this. Our main concern is the traffic and you've answered almost everything that I even
had a question about. Um, one thing that I was thinking about is 66, which I don't think I ever saw pictured here. 66 if I don't know if that's paved south of um Oslo or not.
>> No, basically ends but there's there's a dirt road there. >> Okay. Like if that could be paved down to 13th also eventually. I know that would be a long run but that would be another route for uh parents and people
to be able to come into the school rather than just 58th. And because once uh Oslo connects to uh I95, um I know our subdivision, we're going to have a terrible time getting out of
our subdivision there. I suspect there's a good portion of our residents that will be going out the back way and turning and going up 58th to get to the light to get out onto um to get out onto
Oslo. And so I just wanted to throw that in there. I didn't know what the projection was down the road. I realized that would be down the road, but as far as paving 66 between uh Oslo and 13th and making
another route into the school and that was it. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Do we have a map that shows 66? It's not on the >> not in the extent of >> it's not on the Yeah.
>> My name is William Smith. I live at 6150 13th Street Southwest. I'm right next to the uh proposed football field. Um I'm here to today to discuss a critical gap in the current development plan
regarding infrastructure and public safety. Currently, the stretch of 13th Street Southwest between 58th and 66 Avenue is unpaved water eastbent road. This has left residents to maintain the road ourselves.
As it stands, this road is a failure. Every time it rains, mail delivery stops. Amazon, UPS, and garbage trucks routinely get stuck. More importantly, in its current condition, emergency vehicles and fire
trucks cannot pass through. During Hurricane Matthew, the entire road washed out. We had to fix it oursel. The county wouldn't do anything. The water district wouldn't do anything. Um the current plans to designate this
stretch of road as a main entrance for the school uh with over 1100 students and host sporting events is mathematically and physically impossible for an unpaid eastment road to support that volume of
daily traffic. And as she just stated, people are going to want to go down to um 66th Avenue. Like there's only five houses on our road and our road is a mess. If you just have five parents also
go down our road. It's it it's going to totally mess it up. I would We just paved the road last week. We got rain on I think Thursday. I invite all you guys to just drive down 13th Street Southwest and see what our road looks like right
now. Um, so we we have paid our taxes and impact fees for years. Yet our roads have never been upgraded to property county standard. We are facing massive increase in traffic that the current inf
infrastructure simply cannot handle. Responsible planning requires that infrastructure be upgraded before the impact of the new development occurs. I'm asking the commission to ensure that the impact fees collected from this specific school project are allocated to
properly pave and maintain 13th Street Southwest all the way from 58th to 66th Avenue. And that's it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. I I have a question on that if I can for this gentleman. Um or
actually for the design team here, M Wesley. Um, is that a lefthand turn only out of the parking lot so that no traffic can go down their street? >> Is that is that designed like that? >> It is. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, it seems like they they've
addressed that a little bit to try to keep those cars coming down from there by making that a left turn only. >> And you you'll have is there going to be a guard or something that prevents people out there >> even after when like school practices are going on after hours?
So, a couple things I can clarify with 13th Street Southwest that I I heard here. Um, so I'm Wesley Mills, Mil Shorton Associates. I'm the engineer of uh record for the project. Uh, 13th Street Southwest. So, we're actually going to dedicate rightway to the county
and and move the road out of, you know, kind of the farms's easement or rightway, move it into the county, newly created public rightway. It'll be paved. drainage will go into a modern drainage system that actually then goes into our
pond. So that drainage within the roadway section that we have is in place and it will be paved and all the traffic is intended to to go out and left turn lane. Um >> a left turn >> not a left turn lane but a left >> but based on the plan would only be 170 ft west of the entrance. Correct. Not to
66. >> Not to 66 to just to our main entrance >> and that's their concern. But if that's a left turn lane only out of there and they enforce that, I don't think >> I understand. But like you said, after school practices, you can have whatever you want and
people are going down there and you've got a mess. >> Yeah, they're going to take the shortcut. Like I said, there's five houses. I would love for you guys to drive down our road and see what that road looks like. >> Now, and >> I've been down 66 and all that around that area, so I'm familiar with with the
dirt conditions of of a lot of those roads. And I was I was just trying to to to demonstrate that I think they've tried to do their best in this design to keep people from doing that with that left turn only out of there. Um once
again I I we can't stop people from breaking the law. And if there's a left-hand turn lane and somebody breaks the law and goes down there, I'm not sure how how that can be um administered or
monitored. Um, but I hear your concern and I I definitely understand it. Thank you. >> I don't believe I've ever been out there, but it seems to me that if it's as bad as you describe, nobody's going to want to go on that way.
>> I wasn't sworn in before because I wasn't planning on speak. So, I don't know if I need to swear in. >> My name is Janelle Rafino. I'm at 6180. I'm two houses down. >> If you would be sworn in, ma'am, right, really quick. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Thank you. >> So, I was just piggybacking because from my understanding 66 or 13th Street from 66th to the end of their property where they're going to pave is a private road. So, we've been dealing with people
coming through, cutting through, workers going to the dump and tearing up our road, four-wheelers, and all kinds of stuff. And we're having to maintain it. I paid $1,000 just for my little driveway. So it wasn't this divot and a sinkhole to go into the drainage ditch myself. And the road is still a mess and that was recently.
>> Which road is that? >> 13th Street. >> But the private road where we all are on >> west of the school. >> So we're between 66th up into the school entrance there is actually a private road. >> You've approached the county and they said they don't want anything to do with it. >> Well, it's a private road.
>> So we maintain it. It's not county maintained. If >> they might say, "Okay, if y'all want to pave it, you need to pay for it." Well, I I paid to live out there on a private road on purpose, and this is kind of defeating the purpose of being on privacy if there's a school there. And people are coming down from 66 to 13th Street to line up for the car line, cuz
I >> I can probably tell you in three or four years, >> in three or four years, you won't be private anymore. >> Just the future of what's going to be happening with development out there. >> Why? Just for the noise and the the the light pollution and the 5G that usually typically comes with schools. I'm
against that just because I'm very into my privacy. That's why I'm there. Thank you. >> Um I too live on a place that has a private road until just recently the counties decided to start grading. But uh up until that point a solution was we
had the choice. I could have put a gate up. So just as a thought process out there, if it's truly a private road, you can gate it off. >> If I if I may, I don't know the status of the road. Um, so sorry, Susan Proto,
Deputy County Attorney. Um, I don't know the status of this road, but just looking at the top of it, it looks like it might be Indian River Farms Water Control District Wideway. So, I believe they would be the ones moving it >> to um do anything for it. They're the ones that would maintain it. They're the
ones that would have anything to do with anything. And as far as paving from um 13th Street, the applicant is only required to pave um their required portion and their required fair share. So we cannot that we cannot require them
to pave any more than what they're required to pave. >> Susan, let me ask you this and Wesley, you could probably answer it, too. because we're moving the right away and the county is now taking that. Any development that happens out there
from here on will be required, I would imagine, to give us the rightway to extend 13th Street to 66 to pave it. So that rightway will be moved. Good luck with St. John's. >> That's correct. And then any development that dedicates right will also be
required to extend further the pavement. So, we are looking in the future as county staff knowing that this road is going to be extended and moved because we're going into the rightway of the county. >> That's correct. >> Anyone else?
I'll go ahead and close the public hearing. >> Got one more. One more. Uh Kurt Zuran 6195 13th Street Southwest and also 6105 13th
Street Southwest. So I'm looking at a uh school that is special exemption. We are agriculture out there.
The whole area is agriculture. What is the school going to bring to our community as an agriculture benefit? Right now it's private. It's a private school.
That school is not open to the public. You have to pay to attend it. Now the other part, I have cows. I do farming. I do ranching.
There's no consideration for my animals. I'm looking I'm looking at a stadium and I'm thinking lights. I'm thinking there's a parking lot and
I'm thinking US1 as you go down with all the lights on on the cars. I'm thinking I'm thinking it's a lot for agriculture.
I don't I I never met anybody from the school. Nobody ever came out, shook my hand, said howdy. So what am I to take this as? I look as agriculture. It's a big big uh
big industry. I look at I look at everybody everybody who is on any kind of board, any kind of commission, they're always supporting a they're right there.
But here we go. Prime example taking away agricultural land. This is why your groceries are getting more and more expensive.
Cows. Cows aren't $300 for a calf. Go to the auctions. You're going to see rude rude awakening. Everything is going to start costing more and more. Keep taking away the egg.
Keep taking it away. I'm making more money. I'm going to make heck, maybe I make $2,500 on a calf. Maybe maybe I start charging 12,000 for my steers. Y'all have some decisions to make, but I
am not for this. This is greatly greatly impacting my property. Now, there's a few of you. You y'all like to do shooting clays, sporting clays, all that great stuff. I mean, we
live right across it on 40 acres. I mean, we use that. We use that. We throw clays. We shoot clays. And now we're going to try to put a school over there. I'm not stopping. I'm not stopping my
lifestyle for this. It gets loud. I like to reload. I like to do hunting and fishing. I like to test my bullets. It gets loud. The whole neighborhood gets loud. Saturdays, Sundays,
heck, after work. It's a war zone out there and everybody loves it. So before you really start thinking what you're what you're going to do with this and when you vote, really think about agriculture.
Is the is the whole area going to change? I think Mr. Lther just said everything's going to change out there. Heck, it's a a one. You have you all have the choice to keep
it a one. You want to change it. The lifestyle's gone. Once this school gets built, if it gets built, it could be pie in the sky right there. Maybe it gets halfway done. Maybe the economy
tanks. Maybe all the uh maybe all the parents say, "Geez, we just don't have the money for the tuition. Next thing you know, what do I got across the street? A dilapidated building. Once that once you change that, once you
change it, there's no going back to a it's done. I spoke my piece. I'll just leave it at that. if you got a question. >> Hey, I I will say this and maybe I'm mistaken and Ryan, you guys
can speak up if I am. When you just mentioned you could leave it as a one, I came in here tonight thinking we were voting on resoning. It's my understanding it we're not changing it for mag one. It's a special exception. The zoning is
not going to change. That makes zero sense. >> I understand that and and that's where I misunderstood as well. >> Yeah. >> So, so you're telling me >> it's going to stay a one even though you
have a school on it and I mean make make this make sense for me fellas. >> I think the difference you have >> is this is this inside the bourbon service boundary? >> No sir. It's just Yes. But if I could just clarify Mr. chair and members of the commission and for the whole
audience the the underlying zoning and land use will remain agg. This is a specific use approval for just this parcel tied to this specific site plan. If it doesn't move forward the plans may be scrapped it will remain agg. You don't get we're not doing a you know a
bait and switch here and somebody else doesn't get to come in here and do a medical school or some other thing. It's remains a you all may recall about a year ago you you recommended approval that Glendel Christian School be allowed to operate outside of the urban service
on agriculture land west of 58th Avenue just north of Ozo. Um so this is not new or unique. Um they are operating right now. The neighbors have five and 10 acre pieces on surrounding. They're don't know any different.
>> And and so Ryan, our our zoning and codes allow for this school to be in an egg >> as a correct as a special exception. Yes. So, because they're asking to do something that is in our code
and able to be built in egg, do we have uh I don't know that we have a leg to stand on uh for turning it down just because it's a school if they're asking to do something that is uh legally allowed in the egg um zoning
>> subject to the criteria that >> subject to the criteria. Correct. And they meet every single criteria, sir. >> Yes, sir. One other thing you are allowed to do is recommend uh conditions that would mitigate um compatibility issues. Um so primarily operational or
use criteria, >> but those would probably come in the second or third phase with low. >> Yeah, you nailed it. Absolutely. That would more than likely be phases two and three. >> So the Ryan with this being outside the urban service boundary, we're supplying water and sewer to it.
>> It's it's on literally on the edge. So there is a a um >> there's a policy that you are allowed to connect if you're within a certain distance of >> So when you tell me it's on the edge and I'm going to apologize to the to the I think the lady I said there's going to be a lot of growth out there right
>> if it's outside the urban service boundary I'm want to tell you right now I'm not going for reasonzoning changes for development for development >> right so this is immediately across the street from the >> I will also clarify that this is in the area that the board identified as part
of the USB expansion >> and I do remember that too. >> So, so it may be in the USB >> in the coming >> months or year that but just for current day as we speak tonight it's outside the urban service area. It is owned a one.
It has an A1 or a one land use. It is immediately across the street from the USB. Brandon go to the aerial if you will. Um sorry uh we don't have a go to there. Yeah, go back to our aerial. So you can see in the upper right hand corner where the north arrow is. >> Y
>> um >> Dr. >> South Lake she I mean that's the that's that's actually South Lake and then there's Diamond Lake. >> So I mean there's residential subdivision these these two pieces that are on the east side of 58th north of 13th immediately east of the school.
Those are those are anomalies in that they're they're actually RS3 and L1 land use. They just happen to be large acreage. Um but they're not bound by the A1. >> Right. So >> I I think Mr. Zan to answer your question, I would much rather see a
school here than a 450 rooftop development with housing that I don't know if in the future will get approved if they try to come in and do a PD on a and change that zoning or an RS3, which we've seen. And and again, I've already
told you I will not vote on any development outside that urban service boundary. plain and simple, right? >> So those of you I said I will, that's not going to happen for me. I'm only 105 or 107. >> I think the school here
has a purpose from the growth that is happening out there and continuing to happen off of 43rd where you had a with all the sex property that just became housetops kind of overnight. Uh,
so it's interesting that this is just as on the edge of their urban ser of the urban service boundary and we're going to give them water and sewer. >> So you're over it, correct? >> Right. >> Right. So
you're just not sticking with the plan. >> Well, no, no, the plan because they're entitled to have this. And I think the BOCC had stated at some point in time they would like to see this happen. So whatever we do, they can
always I mean do what they want to do. That's what they do. >> So what about what about what about water rights? I know when we look at water, water is everything. I'm looking at
I don't know. Do you know what the square footage or the acreage of just open green space over there is? >> Throw me there somewhere. I thought Yeah, >> in there somewhere. Yeah, >> all the BMS, all the uh all the trees, everything that wants to be watered.
>> Well, may I may I ask a question then of the engineer? Um, is the irrigation going to be supplied by the storm retention or is it going to be wells? >> It'll be supplied from the on-site storage ponds. That's best reuse for that. >> There you go. So, so they're they're
actually recycling water to go onto their property from storm retention and not digging wells. >> So during the dry season, they're not going to be filling up those retention ponds. Am I correct? >> That I can't answer. I'm not the engineer. >> So you're So the engineer can maybe
answer this one for me. How are you going to water with a dry retention pond? >> They're wet retention ponds that are wet. It's going to be dry come come the come the dry season it's gonna be dry. >> I'll let the engineer answer that.
>> Chairman D. Is it possible to consolidate the question so that we can come up to the end and answer all of them so that there's not back and forth? >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> So the other one other question that I just got to clarify. We keep on
going back and forth on the 13th Street. It is a wreck. I mean, for the past 15 years, I'm the one grading it practically. I do at least twice a twice a month. Um, garbage. That's another concern.
In that amount of time, you would not believe the amount of people that come down and just dump. They will dump. They'll throw stuff out the windows. Palm trees, palm frrons, everything they want to. So, be prepared.
It's going to get messy with this traffic count. It's just going to happen. People are opening up their windows. They're dropping their kids off. Things get flung out. I've got two kids of my own. Things do happen.
But over the year, it does add up. And there's that ditch. That ditch right there, that is the main source for my drainage. So, anything starts collecting up in that ditch,
plugs it up. Now, now granted, the the water management, Indian River Farms, they do a really good job cleaning it all out, but please take that into consideration, too. keeping keeping everything nice and tidy out there and
not relying on uh well well so and so was supposed to do it. If you see it, clean it up. Be a good neighbor. Just to just to give you insight in how much trash in 15 years, 18 tons.
That's how much trash I took to the dump. I would tell him at the dump, this all from 13th Street, just bring in the county's dump dump fees. Uh, or could you help me out? Nah, I sorry. Can't I was always the one paying for
it. It's not much. Don't It's like 30 bucks a ton, but but still, it added up over the years. I just like to see a tidy place. But in recapping, yeah, this isn't for us.
This is not this is not for the uh this is not for the area. I'm sorry. >> Can I say something? >> Brandon, you you mentioned that we could approve this with conditions. >> If I may, sorry. Yes, you can. you are
able to I wanted to read that in here in a minute to make sure you guys know what you can and can't do with this particular one if I may. Um this for so this is a site plan and it is a special exception pursuant to our code what the
what the board can do under section 971.05 and that's reviewing use is requiring special exception and it's under um I apologize Subsection 6C and its planning and zoning commission
review. The decision C2 with a reasonable period of time following the close of the public hearing on the application. The planning and zoning commission shall make its report and recommendation to the board of county commissioners for approval approval with
conditions or denial of the application stating its reasons for recommendation of denial. So, you still can do all of those things. However, um you have to if you are to deny anything, you have to give a reason as to why it's being
denied and it has to be in writing. Um so, you do have the ability to approve with conditions as well. So, that's what you're allowed to do. And as far as um for site plans, because this is a site plan, what y'all need to be looking for
is um it says specifically under 91406 sub6 for planning and zoning commission decision. The planning and zoning commission shall consider each site plan application scheduled for consideration of this and it shall base its decision on the use, size, dimension and
regulations for the respective zoning district, the site review standards established therein and all other applicable land development regulations and comprehensive plan policies. The planning and zoning commission may impose conditions on site plan approval which ensure compliance with all sorry
applicable land development regulations and comprehensive plan policies. Um and so after those are the things that you are able to do and those are the things you all should consider when you're doing that. I don't know if you have any questions after that. And I'm sorry Mr. Lawler. I was trying to get
there um and clarify for y'all so staff didn't feel that they if in case they missed something. My my question I guess to staff is what I've heard tonight is condition of 13th Street Southwest and I also heard that we're moving or they're
purchasing right away for the county to take over of 13th Street Southwest. >> Correct, >> Mr. Chair, Mr. Ler. Um, historically when the Indian River Farms Company platted most of South County,
>> there was 60 ft of rideway, 30 of which was for the canal and 30 of which was called road, but it's really more of like a a top of bank, a burm for maintenance of the canal. However, what typically happens is when the county obtains an additional 30 ft, more often
than not on the north side, the canal is usually on the south side. The the 30t of roadways north. If the county gets the other 30 feet, the farms in the county agree that the county is now the owner and maintainer of that 60 feet. >> To clarify further, the 30- foot rideway
dedication for 13th Street Southwest would be the the entire frontage project frontage of of where this project fronts on on 13th Street Southwest. So from 58th Avenue to their western boundary. The reason they can't pave the entire
length is twofold. one, they're they're only required to pave to their entrance. Then they go another 170 ft beyond and then they have to do what's called transition back down. I can I'll venture I'm not an engineer, but I have been out in that area. 13th Street Southwest is extremely low. It drops down below 58th
Avenue quite quickly. So they're going to have to what they call transition and grade back down. So you're not creating like a ramplike effect. Um so everything west of the western boundary of this subject site is not private, but it's also not public. What it is is it's
farms canal water control district rightway that's not maintained by the county. They don't grade it. Uh if the property owners were to dedicate 30 ft of their individual frontages, ultimately the county could acquire enough of that 60 ft of rideway to at least at minimum maintain it on a
greater schedule and then eventually pave it. The only other thing I'll mention is that 66th Avenue with the Oslo Road improvements will be paved a few hundred feet south of the intersection, but it will not go all the way down to 13th Street. Southwest. If this site and the a larger area is
brought into the USB through our longer range plan, traffic planning, you know, this would be the grid. You mentioned the South County Initiative. 13th Street Southwest and 66th Avenue are certainly grid roads on the third plan network. Uh, one other item if I could to dovtail
off of Susan's information is that um, so the the the sort of conventional language in the staff report on page one is that the planning and zoning may re planning and zoning commission may recommend reasonable conditions and safe safeguards necessary to mitigate impacts
and ensure compatibility with the use of the use with the surrounding area. We are already staff is recommending that you all approve with conditions that we've already outlined. Those are primarily infrastructure conditions meeting the specific land use criteria. Uh these and the enrollment cap. Um and
that's that's pretty pretty standard. The only other item I would venture and the I' ask the applicant if they agree is that the 13th Street Southwest driveway connection be striped with a left turn signed and striped with left turn exit only striping and signage. I
think that's something that's reasonable that you all could impose as an additional recommended condition. >> And Ron, I'm going to go off base a minute. 13th Street Southwest obviously is a terrible road beyond this. We have mandatory garbage pickup, which I'm sure
they have to pay for. I don't know. Uh if this road is as bad as it is, how does a fire truck get down to it to get to one of their houses? >> That's what they mentioned. So, >> but we're making we the project is proposing to make it at least more passable to that.
>> Correct. >> And the intersection that's another thing that intersection drops off considerably right now. >> At how many feet, Ryan? Do you know? >> I three or four feet. You think the elevation change from >> three three to four feet? Or as much as
six depending on how ruted out it is. >> Okay. >> So, I think Mr. Ran said he grades this twice a month, I believe. When it rains and he grades it, rains the next day, then it's just shot. >> Uh I
I'm good. >> Okay. >> I got a question on Susan, you may know this, too. Is the legal precedent from the House Bill 1285 that passed like a year ago, >> is that that was the education bill that let you know schools or private schools
on certain lands with no zoning changes, no special no special exceptions. Is that what the premise is that? >> No, no, sir. That's for stuff that already has buildings there. For example, like a church or >> um library former existing. Yes, there's
an existing. >> You can't build new. You can't build new and then retroactively say, "Oh, I want to go to school here." >> In fact, that's the precise reason. Um, >> so if if it were an existing church and and sort of ironically, Glendale went through that process almost at the same
time that 1285 actually exempted them from that. Um, but irregardless, this is entirely new, ground up, so it is still through our process. And and and frankly, they don't, even though they're a a faith-based school, they don't have a church use. Um, that would be a
different uh approval process. >> Mr. chairman. Uh it seems to me and the attorney will kick me if I'm wrong that um this last gentleman made some very convincing arguments, but they seem to
apply to the special exception as opposed to the site plan. And uh our is it true that our uh role in uh recommending a special
exception is uh limited in that we just have to see if if uh >> meets the criteria and that his argument would
be much more effective and carry a lot more weight and have more flexibility in front of the uh board of county commissioners. >> So yes. Yes, sir. So y'all the role of the planning and zoning commission is to see if it meets criteria. Um and you can
impose for example some specific conditions on the site plan or the special exception, you know, based on the size or some of the regulations for the respective zoning district. Um, but as far as I I think the most complaint
that I've heard at least from that had to do with the road, but we have Sorry. I don't know that the planning and zoning can order anything to do with that road because it's not their road. It's not the school's road. It is the
farms right of way and we don't have the farms in front of us. Um, we have an an applicant who is literally taking a sliver off of their own private property and dedicating it to the county so that they can have a roadway made there. That
is what's happening. So, we don't have the planning and zoning can't in essence order um the applicant to go on to the farm's easement or property to reinforce or make anything different. So the
applicant is as stated they're literally taking a sliver off of what is their property and giving that to the county to be improved. >> So then Susan what I heard is if the the people that own the property out
there I think Ryan you made the comment if they wanted to give 30% of their right away to the county the county would >> No. Let me clarify that as you so the other the other option or the other way about it is acquisition which is costly
and timely. >> So if property owners want to dedicate without compensation 30 ft to eventually get to that 60 ft from this project all the way to 66. Then that makes it a lot more palatable for the county to one
maintain the current dirt road and two ultimately pave and improve in the future. And that's what I'm getting at. If if there's something out there that allows them that capability of doing that, they're going to have to give something up to get something. >> I have no problem with that. >> I've had to go through that myself personally in different pieces of
property. So that would be discussion at the BOCC level. >> Not specific to the school though. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. >> That would be a conversation they would have to have with the commissioners themselves about their private practice. they do have a venue to um bring this
forward to the BOCC and they've got a venue to address their concerns with them. >> They they are they are able to ask staff or ask the BOCC or their representative um if they're interested in having that road or having that conversation. Yes,
>> I'm very comfortable with that. >> Yeah. >> And Robert, that's something that can easily happen which now the owners understand that. Okay. If we give something up, we might give something. That's why your county commissioners make the big bucks so they can make that decision. >> We don't make any. So,
>> no, we don't. >> Did you have some answers to Mr. Zorang's questions? You were collecting the questions. >> Maybe just a few. uh commissioner and I I I I appreciate uh the resident uh
coming up and speaking and and um you know that's why we have these open public meetings is for this type of participation with the residents and our um in our surrounding neighbors. Um you know I'd like to point out though that there is existing residential within
less than 1700 ft of this site. When you touch property corner to property corner, um it's right there. Planned developments, communities, uh existing, uh and nearby agricultural uses. And this is a permitted use within the A
district. It is a special exception. That's why here we're here before you this evening. uh but we do meet each and every one of those criteria that uh we have rigorously worked through with staff to uh document that we are consistent and confounded with uh the
LDRs of the uh of the Indian River County code. Um but as it relates to our retention ponds and and drainage um you know we have to go through three different agency reviews. We have to go through Indian River Farms. We have to go through St. John's River Water
Management District. We have to go through the county public works department and we have to pull a consumptive use permit to pull out of our lake to irrigate our 53 acres just like any a use would have to do to irrigate their crops or uh or or their
cattle or anything else. Um so we we are in the process of going through that uh right now. Um you know I think as you find out in your conditions that staff has imposed certain conditions for us to abide by. That means installing the perimeter buffer all the way around the
site, even the panhandle day one before we can get our first CO. So, that's some protections that they've already looked at for the nearby residences. Um, it was brought up about lighting. So, lighting has been already addressed with
what we're able to address with our phase one site plan. We've submitted photometrics plans. They've been reviewed by the building department. we meet all of the lighting requirements for the land development rags. We haven't permitted any sports lighting or anything because those are going to come
in a future phase, but we'll have to work with the building department, work with staff, get those uh within the acceptable thresholds that the land development rags um uh allow for. And if you look at the plans, we are showing a
left out only onto 13th Street. That's already striped. It's already so happy if you want to make that condition. It's it's already been accounted for. Um but uh you know this is a fantastic project. I think you see by the folks in the audience how much of an impact it's
going to make and uh the the residents and future leaders of Indian River County. We're happy to be a part of it. Happy to continue the dialogue with our neighbors as we go through future phases and look at uh certain compatibility issues and other things. But uh we thank
you for your time. We thank staff for their time. And um you know, thank you very much. >> I'll make this quick. Um I'm I'm a board member, Joel Moliner. I'm one of board members at Vero Classical. Um personally, I would like to apologize to
the gentleman for not coming down and knocking on your door and saying hello. I want to say I'm sorry and and for not bringing you a box of shot shells and some clays. But but seriously, you know what the last thing we want to do as bureau classical is to have enmity with
our neighbors, right? So personally, let me I just want to say thank you all, but I do want to address this publicly because I have cattle on some acreage. I know the land and I know what you're talking about. Um, I do I also have a
few pieces of machinery and I will be glad to buy you lunch and and let's talk about how we can be neighbors if that would if that's okay >> if it gets that far. >> Well, I'm just saying but let's at least talk about it because
>> if if worst case scenario we have lunch, we get to know each other and create some more neighbors. Thank you guys. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. John Miller, I was not previously sworn in. I don't know if >> Do you swear affirm to tell the truth?
Oh, truth and nothing but the truth. >> Yes, I do. >> Thank you. >> John Miller, 624513 Street Southwest and then also the adjacent property to the west of that. Um, my biggest concern now
is if this project does move forward and you are doing all this road work off of 58th on 13th Street Southwest, are you going to close the road? Because the road closure on 21st Street Southwest
for that private development has been closed for how long that, you know, you can no longer use that to to get to the property. Um, and so my concern is what's going to go on with with this because that's, you know, the, believe
it or not, that section of 13th Street is the better half because Mr. Zaran does maintain it. If you try to go around to 66th and come down, it is 100 times worse. And and I do believe that when they do this developments and they do those
pavements that there's what they call an MOT plan, which is a uh management of traffic. And I believe they have a plan that would allow that road to probably stay open during this construction. But u and that's my experience with it is is
that those roads are are generally constructed with that allowed to go through. So they have flagmen out there. They do half of the road at one time and then they'll do the other half, you know, as they go through. So, I do believe that that would remain open as far as my experience goes with with development in this.
>> What about 21st Street Southwest then? How can we >> I don't know that that's in this project in >> No, no, it's not in this project, but but I'm but that's still a zoning concern that was still had to be approved and that road has been closed for over a year now >> with those two with the development,
housing development that's on each side of the road. Um, so this is what I just don't want to see go on here as well. >> Have you talked to your board of county commission about that? >> No. >> 21st. I suggest you do that. >> Well, so I mean I use the road. I don't have any problem. >> No, but I would talk to the county
commission and say, "Okay, why this road not open?" >> Okay. >> Yeah. You pay their salary. >> Okay. >> They'll listen to you. If not, give me a call and I'll help you with it. >> All right. >> General Rafino again. 6180. I just have a quick question because I think it was engineering, right? You engineer.
>> Yes. >> He was saying that there was a residential property that was bordering the school property. >> Farm. >> Yep. >> But it's across 58th. So, it's not actually on our plot of land at the Indian farms. Okay. Just wanted to
clarify that. How far is the western um edge of this property from 66? >> Is it thousands of feet >> half a block or is it
>> long way? >> Yeah, I mean I'm >> Yeah, it's thousands and thousands and thousands of feet. >> Yeah, Mr. Chair, sorry, we don't have that. We don't have that number, but it's not. This this property is less than a quarter of the front edge of 13th Street between 58 and there's still at
least at least 3/4 of 13th Street. >> Let me go back to the applicant's presentation. >> Based on there, >> based on the property appraiser site and the measurement tool on there, it's roughly 3,376 ft >> further further west. >> Yes. >> 3/4 of a mile.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. Anyone else? >> Okay. I'll close the public hearing. the third and um any additional questions discussion commissioners I only have one
and it's just curiosity for for the originators of the school. Uh I noted in the presentation it was mentioned that you would be the only Christian classical school within about a 45 minute
uh radius or or circumference. Um, out of ignorance, please tell me the difference between a Christian classical, Master's Academy, Glendale Christian. Again, I I've just not It doesn't
matter. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. But I'm just curious. >> That's a great question. >> In the interest of time, I will try to be brief. I'm Jameson Kelly once again. Um, >> you have 20 seconds. >> 20 seconds. Okay. The classical part of the education is
the biggest foundational difference. So it it has to do with the actual content of the curriculum as well as the way the con the curriculum is taught by the teacher. So that would be called pedigogy. The art of teaching is different. Um going more for critical
thinking skills, appreciating how to take something apart and put it back together. Avoiding I'll give you information, you you give me information, and really trying to educate the whole mind of how to think. Um, that is not to say that I'm saying no other schools are teaching children to think. I'm saying that the
distinctives of Christian Classical School is a foundation that all knowledge is God's knowledge. Anything that we're going to learn about his world or any of the subjects reveals more of his character and that's the foundation of everything that's taught at our school. Um, additionally, uh, history is taught chronologically. So,
first grade starts with creation of the world and, um, goes all the way to the rise of the Roman Empire. Second grade picks that right back up, ancient Greece and Rome. Third grade, medieval times. I was not taught that way growing up. It was a Modge Podge, right? So, chronological history is very big. The great works of literature. So, not just
having kids read something because they find it entertaining, but exposing them to deep rich literature. So, they do novel studies of time- tested novels that have stood the test of time that have that really have emphasis on what is good, what is true, what is beautiful. Um, and then science for
instance, it's a really deep look at a subject rather than a hummingbird kind of effect of learning about a lot of things. So first grade spends the whole year on zoology. Second grade spends the whole year on botney and anatomy. Third grade astronomy that like that and it continues that way. Um we spend a lot of
time uh with catechism questions learning about the truths of God's um truth biblical truth through song. So there are 150 catechisms that the children go through three times in grammar school. Um like I said I could talk about it for a really long time. I will I'll briefly touch on the way
>> oh the trivia. Sorry. Okay. So it's it's mostly broken into three groups. Grammar school is elementary, logic school is middle school. The rhetoric school is high school. So in the grammar age we lean all of them are designed to lean into the natural development of a child. So little children like to sing, like to
rhyme, like to move their bodies can have obtain a lot of information much better than our brains can. So during that time it's a lot of information download into their minds, lots of facts, timelines um filling their well of knowledge. By the time they get into middle school, which is logic school,
they like to argue, why is that true? Why is that not true? That doesn't make sense. And so we lean heavily into that with the Socratic method, teaching them how to recognize formal fallacies, how to break down a bad argument, how to build a good argument, um take take things apart, put it back together, and by the time they're in the rhetoric
school, most of the focus is on being an eloquent speaker, an eloquent writer. Um so that's kind of the the nutshell of it. It's more of like a liberal arts education. We want them to be well-rounded. We also have PE every day. They would want them to be masters of their body, self-discipline. >> That's it. Okay. Sorry. That's it.
>> We could go to lunch anytime. >> Calvin, that sounds actually fun to me. >> But I I seriously curiosity got the best of me and I I had to know. >> I could also recommend a book for you that would be helpful. So, thank you. >> Just got a classical education.
>> I was classically Yes. Classically, >> Mr. Chairman. >> Okay. Any any other questions? >> I move for staff recommendation. >> All right. We got a motion for staff recommendation. >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? I >> I
>> opposed. Motion passes. >> Thank you. >> Are there any commissioner models? >> Um, just one real quick. Just wanted to ask Ryan, when are we going to have an follow-up meeting with the >> BC >> BCC on the PD? I don't want to repeat. I
don't want to get so far that we have to relive it. >> Urban service that is still TBD. Uh I'm working with the commission. >> Okay. >> Uh just real quick before we lose everybody. Uh the only thing I have is um we will be having our the April 9th meeting as well. Okay.
>> I know we've had some backto-back meetings, but >> that turning matters. None. Thank you. Uh >> we're ajourned. Holy moly.