All right, I got the hour 6:00 is upon us. I'd like to open the planning and zoning meeting with pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All >> okay. Item two. Do we have any additions or deletions to the agenda? >> Seeing none, Chris, I'm glad you're so far down there. Might need help. >> You guys all left me.
>> Item number three, the approval of minutes of January 2nd or January 22nd, 2026. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Have a motion second. All in favor say I. >> I. Those opposed, same sign. Passes unanimously. Thank you. Item number
four, items not on consent. This would be item A, Inver County Fire Station 15, request for major site plan and administrative permit use approval for a fire station in your neighbor county applicant. MBV Engineering Incorporated
agent. Zoning is RS3, residential single family up to three units an acre. Land use designation is L1, low density residential, up to three units per acre. Uh this is quasi judicial. Do any have do we have any declaration of exparti?
No sir. >> Seeing none, can you all vote with a clear conscience? >> Yes sir. >> Thank you. Okay Brandon. >> All righty. >> Oh will all the people that are here would please stand be sworn in. >> Do you swear or affirm to tell the
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> I do. >> Thank you. Okay, Brandon, it's yours. Thank you. Good evening, chair, members of the board. Before you today is fire station 15. This is a county project and something that is much needed for the
residents of Vero Lake Estates. This will be the new permanent home for Fire Station 15 if approved tonight. This is a major site plan and administrative permit use approval. On screen is an aerial of the site. It is west of 90th Avenue, north of 87th
Street, east of 91st Street Avenue, and south of 89th Street. This is an aerial of the site just to kind of give you an idea of what the existing conditions are on site. Um to the east of the site, if anybody's wondering, that is a storm water pond to handle all the road uh runoff from 90th
Avenue. And then north of the site is mostly um environmentally sensitive area that the fire station will not be touching. Overall site plan is going to call for the fire station 15. It's going to be a 4 bay um
truck uh building. Um and then there's going to be administrative offices. And then there's also going to be a wait room and their equipment room. Um the total layout for the fire station is going to be approximately 9,983 square ft.
Traffic circulation plan calls for two connections. There's going to be one main connection to 87th Street. That's going to be the main connection for most of the pedestrian cars and then also when the fire trucks and emergency vehicles return to the site. And then also there's one emergency vehicle exit
connection to 87th Street to facilitate an easy exit for any um emergency vehicles. I'd also like to take special note that there's going to be a traffic signal preeemption at 87th Street and 90th Avenue. So should the fire trucks or emergency vehicles need to take a left out of the site. All the lights
will turn red so they can so that can be facilitated safely. There's going to be one storm water pond to the northern portion of the site. Landscape plan is going to call for a 25 foot uh thoroughfare plan road buffer.
As part of the uh special use or land use criteria, the sites required to have a type C landscape buffer. and this thoroughfare plan road buffer is actually above and beyond a type C. So they are um meeting that requirement. Uh dedications and conditions, there's
going to be a rightaway dedication for 91st Avenue. Uh there's also going to be a set aside of 75 acres for a native upland preservation area to the northern portion of this site. And then also the specific land use criteria outlined in section 971.14
for fire stations or emergency services in the RS3 zoning district uh shall be adhered to. Those are also detailed in your staff report tonight and I can confirm that they are um adhering to all of those special use criteria. Staff recommends that the PZC grant
major site plan and administrative permit use approval for fire station 15 with the conditions listed in the staff report. These conditions are gerain to the dedication of 35 ft of rideway for 91st Avenue, the dedication of that conservation easement that I explained and the installation of all landscape
buffers and improvements and installation of all common area and project sidewalks. I'm available for any questions you may have. Thank you. >> Commissioners, any questions? We'll start Terry down with you. >> Oh, I'm not a commissioner. I don't get a vote, but I will say um thank you for having emergency personnel so close to
uh Sebastian River High School. >> It doesn't matter whether you vote or not. I know, but I I think I foresee the future. >> We like your input. >> Next, >> I think I'm good. >> Just one comment. Um, and you addressed
that in your presentation. We're not being asked to reszone. RS3 does qualify for the >> administrative permit. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Any questions, Chip? >> Sir. Um, couple. So what else that's RS3
zoning that's an administrative permit is available or allowable. >> Uh usually things like schools and daycarees um stuff like that but it's really germanine to single family homes. Uh but emergency services one of those issues that we can also have in the zoning district as long as plan and
zoning approve it. >> Churches. >> Yes. >> And you said daycare. >> Yeah I believe you can have daycare and residential. Just for clarification for the record, Ryan Sweeney assistant plan development services director I believe daycare is actually a special exception use. So
there's there's two levels of of approval. Um so places of warship emergency services minor utilities like lift stations um well not lift not certain there there's a use matrix. So, um, this is in that middle tier, so to
speak. And the reason being is because without some criteria, we don't you we won't want to have a fire station like right in the middle of like a residential block, so to speak, but this is on the periphery. >> Okay. Well, I know they've been waiting that I'm aware of
22 years for this. >> Sure. >> So, I'm very happy to see it. Um, the sidewalks, uh, what is, uh, where are the sidewalks at? just the dotted line or do they extend all the way north? >> Uh there'll be a sidewalk on 87th Street
and then it was determined that it wasn't feasible to put a sidewalk along 91st Avenue just because that's mainly a residential road and it's not up to county standards or full county standards. >> And if I could also Yeah. So 91st Avenue
is an unpaved road. There's also a drainage swell on the on the east side. Um for 87th it will extend beyond it'll it'll run the full length of of the parcel boundary. It will terminate at the rightway line for 90th with the understanding that it will eventually
connect when DOT completes the the widening of of of 510. >> Okay. Well, if they do that, will they be widening 87th Street then too? >> They might taper the intersection, but that's about the extent of it. >> Okay. And that's going to be a full-fledged light there.
>> It it already is. It's a It's a span wire, right? >> Yep. >> It's a what now? >> It's a span wire right now. It It'll be a mass arm intersection once DOT is done. >> Okay. >> Um I think that was it for me. Thank you.
>> Any questions, Mark? >> No. >> I I'm glad to see this too, Chief. How How long have we been in the manufactured building out there? >> Going on 11 years. >> Okay. Do do we have any more manufactured
fire stations? It >> We just moved out of our last one, station 7, last week into our new station out by the CVS distribution center. >> Right. Excellent. >> Uh but in this case, our current modular is being decommissioned and destroyed
and we're bringing a new modular in while we wait for this station to be built. >> Yeah. Excellent. Okay. One question, Brandon. The the storm water. >> Yes. And I know that I think that's a fairly big pond that's there right now. Although this looks like it's being
redesigned. >> Yeah, it's going to be redesigned just to accommodate the storm water for this site, but there is that other pond to the east of it that covers 90th Avenue. >> Yeah. I just want to make sure we weren't going to have any serious flooding that came along as we get these rainy days. So, that's good. Okay. I have no further questions.
>> Um, Coach Louser, can I ask a question? >> Yes, ma'am. Um >> Calvin, >> so are there going to be you said sidewalks along um 87th, is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Because this community doesn't have sidewalks, correct? Which has been
a real issue for us. We've had a child that was hit and killed there. So, um in the past, not recently. Um, if you put a sidewalk in 91st and they eventually pave that, right, would you have to redo the
sidewalk? >> Right. So, again, to clarify, 91st is an existing dirt or unpaved road. Um, there's also an existing swale on the east side of 91st. So, it's really, you know, the the the code the county follows its own code. If if the road is
not paved, then the sidewalk requirement is also not applicable um for the >> and so there are no paved roads in there. >> 87th is paved but 91 is not. >> No, I know I'm talking about VA. >> It's it's a it's a mixture of >> first is
>> and those don't have sidewalk. >> There's several that are paved. >> I think the next one over >> and they don't have sidewalks. >> That's correct. So, how come they don't have sidewalks? If you said that your code is when it's paved, they have sidewalks. >> As as sites develop, the frontage of a
paved road also includes a sidewalk. But the I mean, VLE dates back to the 60s. It's a GDC quarter acre subdivision type deal. >> I understand. We've just had >> not GDC. >> Nope. Was the guys out of South Florida? I
think it's Kaplan. >> It's very much like a GDC. way. Well, I wouldn't do fame them. Um either one. >> Um but yeah, no, they actually even glows back to the 50s, believe it or not. But
>> so I just want to make a comment that anytime we have any new subdivisions, sidewalks are so important. And we've had children hit in that subdivision, if not once, more than once. Um and it's dangerous, especially with the hours
that the kids get up and walk to school. We're going to work on that but for next year but >> um so if you put that sidewalk in 91st you're saying you don't have to because of the swell. >> It's correct it's not feasible >> but it's a dirt road with a swale so they they really can't. Terry
>> that's what I'm asking. Okay. >> Yes. John >> I just thought about this when she started talking. Um 91st Avenue is the rear exit from the school. >> That's great. So after school hours, after games, after things like that,
it's >> packed busy. Was there any consideration to a light at 91st and 87th? >> I >> I have seen that completely backed up all the way down 91st and all the way to 90th. So I could see that what a great
time to get an emergency call. >> So you're saying that's a paved Is 91st paved or not? North of >> 87. With a dirt road coming out of the high school, >> John, is that what you're saying? Yes. >> To 87th. >> Yep. >> To loop back. >> Comes out by the um the stadium, doesn't it?
>> Yes. Behind the stadium straight through. >> We use that for >> So when the kids leave and stuff in the afternoon, they're taking 91st and going out and >> and I'm going ask a million dollar question. Why is that segment not paved? >> And that's what I'm asking,
>> especially now that we're going to put a fire station there. >> Again, it's dangerous. the the the the fire station is has direct access from 87th Street. >> Um you know I I guess from an equity standpoint just because it's a county
project doesn't mean we automat you know >> no no no uh >> do as we say. >> How many how many cases or how many calls do we have where we have to go to the high high school with the fire department? Is that irrelevant? If you have opinion, >> I mean it instead of is it couple a
week? >> Is it quicker to go out to 90th than it would to go the back road? >> You can't go through that back road unless >> road doesn't connect to the high school. You have to go out to the back road, take a right, go back to five. >> Okay. So 90th and back. So it doesn't
there's a big canal there. >> You have to go around the canal. So >> Okay. >> And the road going east is very unprepared. Right. It's very >> like a lot of them back in there. Okay. >> What he's saying is we open that gate up
after events. So big football games or graduation and then you have all of that traffic. Oops, excuse me. On 91st. So that would be a problem if they were trying to go to an emergency. >> But if they go out of the school on
91st, >> then they go past 87th. >> They go down 87th. >> They turn they >> turn on 87th. Okay, >> that's also how the stu students are released, you know, a lot. They drive out that for daily traffic,
>> right? Instead of just >> and you have kids walking too and that's where the child got hit because a child was driving and another child was walking and child hit a child. >> Why would that gate need to be opened anyways? We really shouldn't they shouldn't be using it. >> Yeah, it they use it for after when
they're it's the drive out, >> right? So that way you don't have traffic backed up for miles. That's part of it. >> It's opened in the morning for them to get into the student parking lot as well. I >> I guess what I see is I don't know if
we're there yet, Terry, from the standpoint of worrying about a road. >> Oh, I know. I think the fire department once it gets built and that area and 510 gets handled, I could see something like this coming back later where maybe the
school wants to pay that road and >> No, the school doesn't have the money to do that. >> Like I said, I don't think we're there yet, but I I can see that being something down the road because if there's a lot of people, a lot of kids use that road, that could be. As it
pertains to this project though, my question is, will we have a problem at 87th and 91st not being able to control traffic when they get a call out? >> Is that worth looking? >> Um, the preeemption for the light will
help out. I mean, if that intersection is loaded, we may have an issue if we take a a left. Taking a right will not be an issue, but we encounter that in a lot of places in the city and in the county area. So we're we're able to get
around uh without normally without an issue. Um, so our our men and women are their use of this traffic we have especially during the season. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So you have a football game.
>> You have the requirement for the sidewalk on the south portion. You can't do it on 91st now because it's still a dirt road. But does that sidewalk extend all the way to 90th? And when they do 510, are they going to put a sidewalk along 90th
there too? Yeah, that was the part I tried to explain earlier. It will stop currently, but they it will connect that once once DOT is done with their north south sidewalk, that gap will be filled in. >> How long down the road are we looking at that? >> Uh that that's the next very next phase,
probably two to three years. Um but what we didn't because we we had this conversation, Todd, we didn't want to have them connect now and then tear it all out. Um because it's moving. So >> Ryan, didn't we discuss is it Blue Water Bay there the big one across they're doing a walk over or something
>> across >> across the street. So that so eventually all that will tie in I guess Jim >> because we are doing a walkover. >> He asked about a sidewalk along 510. >> Yeah. >> And that's going to happen right >> with when FDOT widens again the So just
to be very clear the sidewalk will stop a few feet short. It will not connect right now. Um, but with the understanding that that gap will be filled in once >> there's nothing to connect to. So, >> correct. >> You know, they exactly >> walk in the grass. >> That's what I'm asking because there's no sidewalk there right now. You keep
saying to connect it. >> Well, >> in the future. Yeah. >> Okay. That there will be a sidewalk then with the 510 project. >> Correct. Yes. Yes. FDOT has does sidewalks on, you know, bike lanes and all full complete street. >> Okay. Now, >> John, to answer your question at 91st
and 87th, what's there now? Is it a four-way stop? Uh, >> I think it's Yes. >> Yeah, four-way stop. >> No, it might be a two-way. The north south is stop signs on 91st. 87th is open. >> Okay. Yeah. 87th Street is one of the main feeders into and out of B.
>> Okay. Yes. >> Who uses that segment of 91st >> school? School. And there's some homes there. No, I thought you said the school would turn school traffic turns off on the 87 >> only during events and yeah or really
straight >> and after school >> right >> going and coming >> and before school >> and I think Mark John's most credible comment was these kids come out 91st
they head east on 87th to go to 90th to 510. Now we have an emergency and you've got traffic backlogged in there, >> right? >> I think your question was um how do you
handle the intersection uh of 87th and 91st, not 510? >> Well, no sir, that was the most recent question. But what John said earlier was 87th backs up all the way to 510 from 91st.
Oh, >> hence >> now you have a problem with emergency vehicles coming and going. >> But you've got an extra lane there that they can I mean if they if they flip the light red, can't they get they can just get in the wrong way? >> They can Yeah, they can go east in the west lane and then they can go north and
they >> Yeah, pretty much. They can do a lot, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, we go down the wrong way all the time. So, >> I'm very well aware though. Absolutely. >> Yeah, I'm envious. Um, sorry. But, uh, and then last question is the property,
the current wetlands area, who owns that? >> Indian River County. >> So, we own all the property to the north. They're just utilizing only a small portion of that property. >> So, why couldn't that have been incorporated into the drainage for this piece?
Because I mean, I' I've been by there many, many, many times. I don't know if I ever saw even after hurricanes more than like a foot of water in the place or two foot. >> Brett, you want me to handle that? >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Hey, for the record, Todd Hower, MBB engineering. Um, it's and it's actually surface water. So, we had environmental licensed environmentalist
look at this deal with St. John's. We got the St. John's permit. So, that area to the north chip that you're referring to is actually probably a little bit off the page that you see that little sprig going up. That's the uh set aside we're doing. Um, right now it receives we're that area is not being touched at all
with where this fire station is. And part of that was keeping the fire station limited to the small area in the least impact area. So that area is not even tied to where we're part of the same I mean county owns a propert that way but it's not connected at all and
there's no impacts to it. It's going to function just as as it is now. And actually they were identified as surface waters. They weren't even identified as wetlands. So >> yeah, I mean we did what we could at the staff level to try to determine if it was viable and it was determined by public works that it was not viable. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. And is there any fencing around that lake because I assume that's going to be a lot deeper than the existing property. >> We we don't there's not fencing proposed now. The ponds are designed for the slope requirements. I know it's a water body, but they're designed with the slope requirements that um do not exceed
their like minimum four to one all the way two feet below control. And that allows for all the and that's the the the sanction regulation with St. John's. You can put a fence up if you want, but it doesn't trip the requirement where you have to. >> I'm just worried about all the kids around there and they can't >> if they're small enough and they can't
swim. It doesn't matter what the slope is. >> You have the water there already, >> but it's not deep. >> Pardon? >> Out by the road. It used to be fenced. >> Yeah, >> that one's a big one's >> fenced back there before. Yeah. >> One of your relatives. >> He's a fence.
>> Okay. But that's why I mean that's another pet peeve that I mean it's just too deep and it's just asking for trouble. >> Think about mosquitoes too. >> Okay. Okay. >> Any other questions? >> Yes. Can you make a recommendation to
the county to have a fence put in around it? I know it's expensive, but >> we have uh similar storm water retention ponds on 10 of our other stations just like this and they're normally dry. The only time they get water in it if it's a heavy heavy rain and it only a few
inches and it stays for a very short time. So the chance of someone drowning in it like a child unless they're a baby I mean is very nil. Um because most of the time if you go by like station 4 on Oslo or station 7 out there we have the
same detention areas and they're 99% of the time they're dry until we have a a large rainfall. And is that a reasonable expectation for this pond? >> Yeah. >> So, let me >> Isn't V famous for >> this is I I want to let this actually it'll be a wet pond. >> Okay.
>> This will be a wet pond. Um when you go into drench requirements, this site can't be a dry system because of the water table. So, it has to be a wet pond. So, um I was going to talk to him afterwards, but yes, this one will be an actual wet pond that you that you guys see around town. >> And how deep?
>> Uh it's 8t. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We can make a recommendation. >> That's what I was asking. >> But >> Okay. So, I also know the commissioners all asked as well, but um is there at least um some sort of vegetation then
along 91st? So, it's not enticing to use it going. >> Yes, there's going to be a 25 foot landscape buffer. >> Okay. If kids can't see it, they don't know it's there. >> Correct. >> Got it. Any more questions?
>> Would there be fishing? >> I'm sure. >> They're going to stock that. >> We're going to stock that pond. >> That's another requirement. Yeah. >> Seeing no more questions, let's open up for public hearing. Anyone in the public
wish to speak on this item? Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. commissioners. >> I still want to bring up the fencing issue. Um whether it's done elsewhere or not. I mean, you know, it's just it's I don't know why we don't. I see it all
over the place the rest of the county on public roads and so forth. And um you're in a family neighborhood. I mean, it's just going to invite the activity one way or another. And if the common, you know, if the the issue is of course cost, as it always is. is I mean we're
talking a chain link fence which is still costly but not you know my tax dollars are better spent there than on a lawsuit. >> I can I can tell you Chip when I was on the mosquito control board we have that big lake out there in front of the office there and we did put a fence
around that >> just because it was inviting. So yeah, >> this is a big neighborhood. Lots of kids. >> I mean they put fences up on 66th Avenue now that's being worked on. I see the guys put posts in uh last week it was for a big chain lake fence. I just don't
understand why it's such an issue if we because it is an issue. I mean out on 66 Avenue I don't think you're going to have a whole lot of kids wandering around but here it's nothing but kids. So you make that a motion >> motion to approve with consideration for
a fence around the retention pond for safety. >> A second. I'll second for uh discussion. >> discussion. Okay. >> Just for a point of clarification. Um this this item stops here. So if you all include this as a recommended condition,
it's it is the final recommendation. It's not going to go to the board. Um, Chris, I hate to throw you on the spot here, but you know, typically we we don't impose conditions that are not over that are over and above code requirements that are not um mitigating
a factor that would be attributable to the use. Um, so a different way of saying that is if we were to say, hey, because it's a fire station, we impose X condition, that would be reasonable tie. I'm following your logic because of
what's being done. They're they're having to put a pond in. So, it is part I mean that's not separate. It's required. >> They can make a recommendation, but if the they're asking to require something that's not required by code, that would not be a valid order. >> Sure. The
>> could not be part of the >> I don't want to put chief on the spot, but he can also being the applicant, he can either agree or not agree, and we can make things either a lot easier or a lot not so easy. >> Thank you. Whose budget would this fence come out of? Article? >> Um, it was unknown to me that it was
going to be that deep with water in it. Um, I will ensure a fences around it before this thing is finished. We're still in the design phase, so we can still add that to the the project that I agree with you. There should be a fence around this water body. So,
>> well, it was just a year year and a half ago. Uh, and Chip brought it up then where we had the little boy, you know, die of a drowning and the question was asked then, why are developers not made to put fences in when there's retention
ponds like that? But, uh, >> yeah, I've been on many of them. It's something easy that could have prevented it >> and I will ensure that it happens with this project. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I appreciate that, Chief. Where does Ryan where does that leave us from the standpoint of
>> then at that point >> we're just going to we're going to approve or deny >> you can approve it with the condition that defense be provided prior to CO I I think with the applicant being >> agreeable it makes things a lot easier >> but I think the way you worded it I was a little concerned. Can you say it
again? >> Um I made a recommendation to approve with consideration for the fence around the retention pond for safety. That's a recommendation. That's not requirement. >> Okay. So, you have I'll make a motion with the requirement for the fence.
>> Okay. Have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Those opposed. >> Same sign. Passes unanimous. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Moving on to item number five. Any commissioner matters?
Seeing none. Any planning matters? Uh just that we will have the second meeting in March on the 24th. We've already advertised for a public hearing. So we do expect to meet. We we had a good run of of not meeting but we'll be meeting twice this month. >> I got a funeral to go to that day, bud. >> Yeah, you do. You just don't know it
yet. >> Uh Chris, any matters? >> Chris, you got any matters? >> I have. >> We appreciate you sitting so close to us. We like that. >> I have a smell or something. You guys all >> Yeah, it's farther away. Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but >> did you shower any
>> with nothing else being said? >> No. >> Y'all have a good night. >> Thank you.