##VIDEO ID:i94HgfR-mdw## e e e e e e e e e if I do that good evening and welcome to the uh Janu uary 23rd 2025 uh meeting of the Indian River County Planning and Zoning commission uh first meeting for 2025 and I suspect it's going to be a busy year so uh we'll call this meeting to order and begin with a Pledge of Allegiance please to flag of the United States of America to the for stands one nation indivisible andice uh thank you are there any additions or deletions to the agenda yes thank you Mr chair I apologize for not including this we uh because this is the first meeting of the year we do need to do the election of the chair and vice chair for the calendar year 2025 I ask that that be added immediately after this item and then we'll proceed with normal order okay so we'll throw it we'll we'll hand the gab over to the attorney sounds good we can do the the imaginary cble so um going ahead and starting the first meeting of the year uh do we have any nominations for vice chair I'd like to nominate Todd Pagano for vice chair second do we have a motion we had a motion in a second I believe right I mean sorry you're vote please excuse me okay have a second your vote I I I I conrat you Vice chair again welcome do it fast do we have a nomination for chair nominate Dr Jonathan day second call for a motion I mean call for vote vote I I I okay all right there we go I think that finishes it right I think it does so now we have our chair and vice chair chair is Dr D and vice chair is Todd brano thank you gentlemen excellent um the um first order of business is the approval of two sets of um uh meeting minutes the first is November 14 2024 motion to approve second all in favor I I I uh the second is uh the set of minutes for December 12th 2024 motion to approve second all in favor I I both um meeting uh approve both sets of minutes are approved we have five agenda items tonight um the first is um an item that is on consent um I'll read it into the uh um minutes it's Marvis Oslo and it's a request for a major site plan and administrative permit use approval for an automotive fluids products sales and services other than gasoline facility um uh Mavis Tires and Brakes um is the applicant um Equity one Florida Port Folio LLC is the owner um bowler uh engineering is the agent uh the zoning is CL limited commercial land use designation is CI commercial industrial um would anyone like to take this off consent for discussion anyone from the public want to take this off consent for discussion uh call for motion motion to approve second all in favor I I um it is approved uh we now have three um items that are uh not on consent um so I will um begin with um the uh first is hammock Shores and this is a request for preliminary plat approval for 103 unit single family conventional subdivision grbk gho homes LLC is the applicant uh sulky bidd and Stoddard LLC is the agent the zoning is RS3 a residential single family up to three units per acre land use designation is L1 low dity residential up to three units per acre proposed density is 1.71 units per acre um any Declaration of exite communications with this no anyone who would like to speak on this please stand and be sworn in do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth uh very good staff presentation please all right good evening chair and members of the board before you today is the hammock Shore subdivision preliminary plat the property is located south of 73rd Street north of 96th Street East of US Highway 1 and west of the Indian River Lagoon on site is an aerial just to give you an idea of what the site's going to look like just for clarification purposes North will now be to the right of the screen this is a conventional uh single family development we don't see these very often but this is going to be something that's going to conform specifically to the RS3 zoning districts which is our residential single family three dwelling units to the acre there is going to be 103 single family lots and the density for this proposed project is 1.71 units to the acre so well below what's currently permitted and allowed on the property traffic circulation plan will be a standard Road design with an emergency access connection to 73rd Street and there'll be a full access connection to 69th Street storm water plan calls for uh three storm water areas that will handle all the storm water for the site landscape plan is going to call for a 25 foot local Road Landscape buffer typically a 20 foot uh local Road Landscape buffer is required however the applicant has decided to add an additional 5T on that to make 25 ft the dedication and improvements for the site are external sidewalks internal sidewalks and accordance with section 91309 5b2 of our ldrs street lighting common area Green Space and Recreation areas and finally the traffic report required an eastbound left turn lane on 69th street at the Project's entrance staff recommends that the that the PCC Grant preliminary plat approval for the hammock Shore subdivision with conditions listed in the staff report these conditions are generally related to the final tree protection and mitigation plans final landscape plans and buffer designs final Street liting designs and installation final dedication the conservation area the internal and external sidewalks and pedestrian systems and finally the installation of the offsite traffic improvements I'm available for any questions you may have thank you um any uh commissioner questions on my right any commissioner questions on my left yeah uh chip um any particular reason the main access is on 69 instead of 73rd or vice versa I'm sorry so 69th street is the road that is um the most developed uh so the the res or the applicant would have to incredibly improve 73rd Street um and it was just determined that that was the best way for the traffic to enter since the roadway was already there so and they've already done that for the subdivision next door correct for 69th uh Mr U no it it's it terminates at it terminates at the at Orchid Reserve right now they would have to extend 73rd also 69th is signalized yes okay you good chip anyone else would anyone from the public like to comment on this um seeing none um any additional questions call for a um motion motion to approve second all in favor I I I oppose very good the second um um agenda the third agenda item is uh Harmony Isles and this is a request for a major site plan and preliminary plat approval for a 384 unit residential plat over site plan project uh Concordia group um is the applicant Mills short and Associates LLC of the agent zoning classification is rm6 residential multiple family up to six units per acre and A2 agriculture up to one unit per 10 acres land use designation is M1 medium density residential up to eight units per acre and ag2 agricultural 2 up to one unit per 10 acres proposed density is 5.9 units per acre uh any uh Declaration of EXP Communications on this no uh anyone who would like to speak on this please stand and be sworn in do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth staff presentation all right good evening chair members of the board before you today is the harmony Isles major site plan and preliminary plat which is a plat oversight plan property is located north of 12th Street west of 98th Avenue East of 102nd Avenue and south of what will be 16th Street it's just an aerial on the screen to give you an idea of kind of what the site's going to look like with its Uh current conditions uh there is currently and Industrial user that is to the northeast of the site the overall site plan uh will be um 384 units um this is going to be a two- project so everything that you see in uh basically non-colored or white will be phase one phase one will contain 244 units in total there will be 145 single family lots and 98 town home units phase two which is everything in yellow will be a total of 140 units and 91 single family lots and 49 town home units everything to the what is now the west of the site that you see that doesn't have anything on it that is all the urban service area are so there will be no developments that will happen in the urban service area and it will be left in its current state traffic circulation plan is going to call for your standard internal private roadway system there's going to be a 16th Street extension and roundabout that will be private resident access only um there will also be a full movement uh 12th Street connection storm water plan there's going to be a multitude of different storm water ponds and dry retention areas that will handle all of the storm water runoff for the site landscape plan is going to call for a continuous 25 foot type B landscape buffer around the majority of the perimeter of the site the Western portion because it does abut the urban service foundary is required by Our Land Development regulations to have a 50 foot urban service boundary buffer and that is being provided the dedication and improvements for the site are the internal and external sidewalk and pedestrian systems Street lighting common Green Space and Recreation areas there is also a multitude of traffic Improvement ments um so there's going to be a State Road 60 and 998th Avenue Northbound right turn lane which is going to be an overlap phase with the Venetian Groves project there's going to be a 12th Street and 998th Avenue southbound right turn lane and a traffic signal uh that is going to be triggered because of its proximity with Venetian Groves uh finally a 12th Street access westbound right turn lane and finally a 16th Street access extension of the 16th Street Paving and a the construction of the roundabout so the construction of the roundabout was actually a requirement of the traffic study staff recommends that the PCC Grant major site plan and preliminary plat PL over site plan approval for the harmony Isles project with the following conditions in the staff report these conditions generally relate to the final landscape plans and Street lighting designs final tree protection and mitigation plans installation of All Landscape buffer and buffer improvements installation of all Street lighting improvements installation of all common area and project sidewalks and finally the installation of all offsite traffic improvements as outlined in the approved developers agreement the approved developers agreement will be going to the BCC at their next meeting for their approval and consideration I'm available for any questions you may have thank you thank you um any commissioner questions on the left chip now this is not a PD it's just a site okay correct that is correct yes um question is uh and I'm not going to let this stuff die but is there fencing from the owner with the large pond or are they going to be putting Fen inine especially with all the multif family right there there is not any uh indication that there will be fencing around the storm water Pond um for discussion purposes uh the last project that we did have where the plan and Zoning Board did put this condition on it did go to BCC and the BCC decided to remove that condition because it's not consistent with our codes and what we've done in the past and it was a five to zero Vote or five to four to one sorry that'll be on them okay anything else anything on the right no anyone from the public uh would you like to speak on this um I I've got one question um so there's uh when we we see this there's an analysis there's a traffic analysis and there's a utilities analysis for these big developments is there an analysis for the impact of that a development like this will have on the landfill Mr chair for the record Ryan s assistant Planning Development Services director um yes but it's I mean it it's it's almost as if the capacity is guaranteed if you will but yes the solid waste through solid waste uh answers to utilities um and they do review um capacity is not really an issue but believe it or not they do um weigh in on servicing uh different types of dwelling particularly how they can um handle the the trash and recycling bins especially for this many individual lots and then for multif family um the dumpster locations and things of that nature but as far as capacity servicing the area is is is a discussion but capacity of the landfill is not a discussion it's not it's point right correct yeah yeah I know that personally I put 40 pounds of kitty litter into the landfill every month and um 2,000 new cats in the I I know that at one point we talked with the landfill and the the expected life expectancy of that landfill is 40 years and would this is that still and that still the case I I know they just did a huge cell expansion um I'm not sure I I can get back to you on on not specific to this project uh just a general okay any other questions no questions from the public I I want to say something um I brought this up before and it has to do with the concurrency and landfill being one of them that reminded me um I I think we need to look into uh healthare cons con currency at some point because you know this is almost 400 units um it's it's getting very hard for anybody who's tried lately to uh find a new doctor uh or I don't know that there's Hospital space limits but um new doctors are difficult to find and appointments are way out especially initial appointments so I would just ask you to look into down the road not tonight uh uh the idea of healthc care concern concurrency Mr muchard uh with all due respect is that the authority of this board though yes it's concerned but is that something that we literally decid on can I let me add one thing and then I'll let you Chim in we do have concurrency requirements for law enforcement and Emergency Services which is more of again law enforcement and making sure we have fire stations and and rescue uh provision of Medical Care is a private sector sort of item so I don't Susan you're nodding I don't know if you want to add to that but we do have uh concurrency requirements for law enforcement as well as Emergency Services don't you have Parks and Recreation and schools and yes sir everything else you can think of right but we typically don't delve into a private that would be correct Mr mure and and Mr Sweeney so it's concurrency is looking at the services that the local government provides or the actual government like our Sheriff our law enforcement our em our Emergency Services um and since healthc care is private it's not a public something that's offered by the local government it's not a public thing that's not something we look to for a concurrency um it is I'm not going to say that that probably isn't probably is a concern for obviously it should be a concern but it's not something that we have the ability to regulate or something we deal with through concurrency well it's my understanding that clayland clinic is still a county owned hospital so we focus on the project at hand and we can have that conversation yeah thank you okay okay anything else I think we'll call for a motion motion to approve all in favor I opposed it passes uh unanimously uh next up is gford Gardens and this is a request for preliminary plat and administrative permit use approval for a 14 acre small lot subdivision Indian River habitat for humidity Incorporated is the applicant mbv engineering Incorporated is the agent the zoning is rm10 residential multifam up to 10 units per acre land use designation is M2 medium density residential to up to 10 units per acre the proposed density is 4.61 units per acre any Declaration of exp partite Communications none uh anyone who would like to speak on this issue please stand to be sworn in do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth staff presentation thank you Mr chairman um Patrick Murphy planning and development services and thank you all for your attendance tonight I have the next two agenda items as Mr day stated this is for the gfn garden smallet subdivision uh for preliminary plat and administrative permit use our first slide tonight is the location map you'll see the project is shown within a square box it is Zone rm10 to the north of the property is the Victory Park Apartments and the tailor Point Apartments those are both Zone rm10 to the South and West is RS6 single family residential zoning there's a various subdivisions throughout the community they're all Zone single family so it's integrating into that you'll see 40th Avenue running along the west side of the project all of the maps that you'll see tonight all of them have the north arrow orienting to the top of the page aerial shows the development laid out within the existing surrounding area you can see the apartment buildings just to the north the single family homes to the west and the South um and further to the east the pimary plat shows this is just one single road that enters from the West terminates in a culdesac there are 14 total Lots all Lots will have direct access to the internal roadway which has been designed meeting all of County's standards for its physical construction there are two sidewalks that ring Bol sides of the road the road is going to be maintained by the homeowners association uh the name of the road is possibility Place storm water plan you'll see at the very East in the blue polygon that is the storm water Pond where we'll gather all of the drainage there is a hatched Line running sort of through the middle that is the piping system water is actually collected in a curban gutter and transferred to the pond in times of high rainfall overflow will follow through the Weir structure to the west and is transported to an existing ditch running along the west side of 40th Avenue uh this preliminary design has been approved by engineering Division and they will required to get their storm water permits prior to their Land Development permit which allows for construction landscape plan as part of the small lot subdivision as a tradeoff to go for a smaller lot with and what the zoning allows they're required to do a perimeter type-c landscape buffer along all sides except for 40th Avenue which is the road landscape buffer requires a 15t wide there are several existing trees that the developer is going to preserve uh like to point out in the very Northeast there are very very large specimen oak trees that are being preserved and they carefully worked around those trees with the Contours of the pond so they could be saved there's a few other large trees and Palms within the perimeter they're also working into the site and they're going to plant within all of the open areas to create that buffer dedications improvements and other conditions uh required for this project is an external sidewalk against along 40th Avenue that they're putting in internal sidewalks meeting the widths of 91309 which they have complied with Street lighting uh they do have light poles throughout there and we've looked at the lighting plan initially we will revisit that during the Land Development permit to make sure that we don't need any um adjustments to that plan common green space space and Recreation Area which they accommodated within the dry Upland areas and throughout their internal sidewalk system and then the small lot subdivision criteria outlined in 97141 this criteria basically STS states that all of the existing homes that to be sold have to meet um an income restriction criteria so these are really all affordable housing not where you do a percentage in the rest of market rate but all 14 homes in the subdivision will meet the criteria established by the state for affordable housing which is meeting only um 80% or more of area meeting income uh with that staff's recommendation is for PCC to Grant preliminary plat and administrative permit use approval for the gford garden small lot subdivision with the conditions lifted in the staff report uh which includes final tree protection and mitigation plans final landscape and buffer plan Street lighting design the Declaration of Covenant which I've already reviewed uh they've already met this criteria they have to actually put the in come verification restrictions into their Declaration of covenants which gets recorded in the county records so that runs with the land so that stays with the project so even if the developer was to move on this project can only exist with those restrictions um and then of course the external and internal sidewalks what that it be happy to answer any questions the commission may have and the applicant's representa is also in attendance thank you Patrick um any commissioner questions on my left I I have a couple go ahead um I noticed that on the plan there's a existing gravity sewer that's going to be uh abandoned it looks like and then there's a force main there I didn't see a area for a lift station or anything of that so are they tying into a lift station somewhere else or how are they handling that if the uh the sewage in there so my understanding is that this sewage will actually Fall by gravity to an existing Line running along the west side of 40th Avenue that's not going to be pumped gravity there yeah because of the limited number of lots it wasn't determined that a lift station was needed because there's not that much volume going to be coming or flow coming out of those 14 Lots so it was going to be by gravity into an existing line the one along the north is being abandoned because it terminated to the East and it was has been abandoned for quite some number of years and I think the pipe's actually failing but it hasn't been in use by the county for a number of years yeah and I noticed the Force main then just to the north of that as well so I'm assuming they'll tie in and use the Force main there at some point that is corre is that it correct yes it is thank you yes and and they're they're uh working on the the final design of that through the utility construction permit which will be required before the Land Development per so before they ever breakr y good okay one more time um fencing is there any fencing at all um no there's not any fencing proposed on this this is actually not going to be a year round wet Pond this is a dry Pond um the the Dy retention it will have casual water during the stormy season but it's not going to maintain water it's not going to have a permanent pool and then um I think it'll probably be more a question for the applicant so I'll wait for that sure good anyone on the right have questions mark um I saw as your representative unaffordable housing uh I see that um this is being being built by habitat and there are going to be U income limits for for the potential buyers I'm just wondering I know habitat uh has limitations on resale and I wonder if that uh is going to be it's going to be the same here or because it's uh u a little bit different than a normal habitat development if uh they're going to be those limits on resale sure thank you Mr chair again for the record Ryan swey assistant plane development services um Mr M two things one I'm glad you mentioned that this is actually although we didn't really drive it home in the sff report this is sort of a partnership with the county we we acquired this property by way of um foreclosure and then ultimately deed the land um to Habitat I also want to mention that um several of the more uh involved members of the gford neighborhood have been involved in this project and are you know this kind of steered as to what they wanted to see but lastly um Trevor Lumis with Indian River habitat is here uh he can answer your question but I'm almost certain that their this is their typical habitat format where there is a resale limitation um and and he can confirm that thank you we good would the applicant like to um answer the questions that staff could not sure name and address please uh Trevor Lumis uh with Indian River Habitat for Humanity my home address business addresses y 4568 US Highway 1 um so yeah to answer the questions about um about affordability so this you know we build and sell our homes with developer Builder realtor lender all of that so um through the under writing process we ensure that the applicant um is 80% of the a median income uh or less um we uh we also provide the financing uh and the mortgage for that so part of the mortgage documents uh on all of these uh on every home sale there are two mortgages the first one is uh is the mortgage based on repayment that is an affordable payment based on the applicant's income uh to be no more than onethird of their monthly income at the time of purchase the second mortgage makes up the the difference between that amount and the appraised value so the sale price of the house is the appraised value um and that is a deferred mortgage there so it's interest free uh no payment is ever required unless um the home is sold at the time of resale we have right of first refusal there are a couple things in place that ensure we can control the resale and ensure that these houses are affordable units in perpetuity uh right first refusal uh there's a shared appreciation agreement so in the event that over the course of the next you know two decades uh or something like that that that the the value of the property skyrockets as has been known to happen in Florida um that appreciation uh is uh is shared between the homeowner and uh and habitat uh and it's adjusted over time so that is that shared appreciation shared appreciation is paid off over time um but the right of first refusal in addition to you know the that subsidy that's built in um in addition to any ship uh funding that is used ship funding also ensures that it's an affordable unit um you know for the for the life of that ship loan um so there are various different layers built in here to ensure uh not only affordability but compliance with those income requirements I guess one thing I was asking about specifically was whether there's a period of time that the initial owner has to maintain ownership um or you know can this can these things be Li within within the affordability limitations so the answer is that a person couldn't can leave the closing table and go list the house immediately if they want to however that wouldn't make any sense because um not only is it the most affordable housing option available in the entire you know region um those affordability devices as we call them that I've put that I put in place like shared appreciation um you know the second mortgage all those things are are due upon sale so these things are structured very carefully to ensure that no home homeowner is ever trapped in their house because we never want to punish people for doing better right we we want to reward Higher Achievement and so an opportunity that somebody may have to um you know to advance their career to move to a different area we want to ensure that they always have that opportunity and are allowed to participate in the economy just like the rest of us um but at the same time we want to make sure that that A House Is Not flipped for a profit immediately and so uh it would not be effective for a person to try to sell uh that house uh for a profit because they would not they wouldn't make one thank you you have first R refusal I I'm sorry you have first rer refusal yes sir um may I ask a question yes yeah regarding um it mentioned something in here about rentals but typically you don't allow rentals is that accurate um so no we do not we we do we do have some rentals um here and there but but that that is um uh within the homeowners association documents uh so rentals would not be would not be allowed in this area okay we good over here good over here would anyone from the public like to comment on this if not uh if there are no additional questions call for motion motion approved second all in favor I opposed passes unanimously our final um item tonight is um a public hearing and this is uh Glendale Christian School West it is a request for a special exception use and site plan approval for a grade 6 to 10 private school Glendale Baptist Church Incorporated is the owner mbv engineering Incorporated is the agent the zoning is A1 agricultural District up to one unit per 5 Acres land use designation is ag1 agricultural one up to one unit for five acres um any um Declaration of expar Tite Communications with this item Mr chair uh for the record I my both of my children attend the Glend Hill Christian School East and my family we also attend gleno Baptist Church so in an abundance of caution I'm going to recuse myself and leave you in the capable hands of Patrick and Brandon so thank you okay thank thank you um anyone who would like to speak on this please stand and be sworn in do you swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth very good um staff presentation please thank you Mr chairman uh for the record my children do not attend this school they're actually in college and that's why I work to pay for that but we have Glendale Baptist Church gried 6 to 10 private school special exception use location map shows the property site the 17 acre tract in a red triangle with 58th Avenue Southwest to its East as the chairman stated this property is z A1 Property to the north south and west is also A1 across 58th Avenue which is a four lane divided highway is single family homes uh that are all Zone plan development both the Citrus Springs and the hammock Lakes plan developments aerial map shows the existing site laid out within the um surrounding area to the north is is a very large undeveloped tract of land to the west and south are single family homes on estate lots and then you can see the two plan developments across 58th Avenue to the east site plan uh in the blue polygon is the existing Church facility the classrooms are actually going to be built with inside the Church there are no new buildings being added to this site they currently have a permit to do interior renovation for Sunday school only and that's going to transition to the school once this um is approved by the board of County Commissioners which we're all hoping and they go through their final uh building and fire Plan reviews The Green polygons you see in the front are existing storm water ponds in the very west of the site is a saell tower compound which has really nothing to do with the school but if anyone Warners what that big Square out there that's what that is the traffic circulation plan all traffic will enter and exit through an existing driveway in the very Southeast corner of the site this is a full access driveway there is a median cut in 58th Avenue and there is a left bound excuse me Northbound left turn into the site that already exist the Shaded area to the north that is going to be a stabilized emergency access driveway that driveway doesn't exist now but it will in the future but it's only for emergency access it won't be for any other traffic coming into the from the site this traffic circulation plan has been routed to and reviewed and approved by both our Traffic Division and our fire prevention bureaus it currently shows around 20 Vehicles can be stacked on site within their existing driveway which then Loops throughout the parking lot for drop off and pickup based on the number of students proposed for this school I'll back up just a second which is a maximum of 70 we do not foresee there being any traffic issues there's plenty of area on this large site to accommodate that traffic landscape plan uh the green amibas looking on the very West site those are basically very large tracks of existing vegetation that's very densely wooded that more than meets the perimeter buffer that's required uh for this type of project for a special exception that allows for school facilities on an A1 all of the properties must have a minimum 20 foot wide type c buffer is more than well ADM met in the West there are a lot of existing trees along the perimeter they do have an approved landscape plan that shows plantings within any Pockets that do not make that to form that complete buffer that has been reviewed and approved by by Yours Truly there's also a lot of existing trees around the pond and throughout the site to help beautify IT staff recommendation staff recommends that the PCC recommend that the BCC Grant special exception use approval for the Glendale Baptist Church 6-9 private school with conditions listed in the staff report those conditions are former review of The Life Safety plan shall be conducted by the inur County Building Division and must be approved prior to issuance of a change of occupancy permit to convert the existing building into school that is currently taking place now maximum student enrollment shall not exceed 70 students and any future request to increase the student enrollment at additional grade levels or to construct new principal use buildings may require additional special exception approvals that will be on a case-by Case basis as we review that um before I turn it over to question answer period I did want to point out because I was remess and not actually stating this there is specific land use criteria that this uh special exception use is evaluated by I will actually run through those real quick for the benefit of the commission and those in attendance uh sites for secondary schools shall be located near thoroughfares so as to discourage traffic along local residential streets and residential subdivisions and elementary schools shall be discouraged from locating adjacent to Major aril roadways the site fronts upon and has direct access to 58th Avenue southw which is an arterial roadway it's not a local Road and as far as the um setback for elementary there is only one grade class of six that actually meets that criteria this school is set back over 300 ft from 58th Avenue so it more than meets the special requirements uh for the type of facility proposed minimum special requirements for site shall be similar to standards utilized in in County School Board in the State uh based on this small size for 70 students it's at more meets those special requirements no building designed for occupancy by students shall be located within 100 ft of any property line not adjacent to a street or roadway and no building designed for occupancy by students shall be located within 50 ft for any property line abing a local roadway the site is not adjacent to any mixed use any tnd sites or any zoning districts within the larger criteria of this item um the building is set back more than 100 ft from from any property line and it's that's actually 157 ft from any property line so this criteria is is more than met um the applicant shall demonstrate the existing proposed Recreation parking and traffic circulation and Facilities adequately accommodate projected student enrollment uh due to this size of the school with only 70 students they have met this with existing phys facilities that they have and they are in compliance um the buffering that we already talked about they have exceeded that and that brings me back to the recommendation which we are recommending approval if you have any questions I'm here to answer those and the applicant is in attendance thank you Patrick any uh commissioner questions on the right I'm curious um as to why you refer to this as an elementary school the the school district seems to be changing their grade uh uh designation from like what elementary school as I understand it is generally K to five and then 6 to8 is a u a middle school and then 9 to 12 would be uh high school but now they're talking about uh elementary schools being um K to8 uh but this 6 to 10 is doesn't line up with the public school and I don't suppose it needs to but I I wouldn't call an elementary school no and Mr mucher you're right in the way that schools are sort of changing what they're called and what grades they're they really include especially with um charter schools and private schools um they're kind of taking the lead in and how the grades are put together this is really hybrids and 6 through 12 and the reason why we have Elementary and Middle School criteria in our code is because our code sort of hasn't caught up with the times if you will on how grade levels are grouped uh sixth grade is still considered Elementary grade in our code so our current ldrs require us to evaluate based on that um 78 and and nine are really still middle school and 10 11 and 12 is high school how our codes are based so when we looked at this we looked at this as it being all of those criteria and having to meet all of and they do um but in reality this is really a hybrid of six seven 8 nine and 10 so it's kind of a little bit of each but really the way these schools go nowadays is they have a lot of different grade levels and they have um different institutions and different teachings that takes place but it's really just a hybrid right but don't you think maybe planning on to update those things to those uh grade levels to what exists in the county today yes we there's there's a few codes that we need to amend um that we need to bring back before this board and for the board County Commissioners uh these are one of the things is are one of the items of the code that we do want to take a look at um just takes time to go over them all okay but this qualifies whether it's it meets all of our Land Development criteria for for for elementary or middle school okay thank you anything on the left a couple of questions um there was a discussion about what was surrounding it how much of that property is actually inside the urban service area where it could be developed in the future and then there's restrictions as to what could be developed because it's near school if it's inside the service area there you talking about the land to the north of this the North to the South to the West so the urban service boundary actually runs down 58th Avenue to the east is in the urban service area until the West is out um so development could take place but the development is going to be somewhat limited and in its intensity that it can develop okay because it's a school that could do the a or church that can do the a but this is part of that donut that we know about that's okay correct all right yeah we have a couple donuts in the county yeah um and then okay so that would answer the one question and then the 70 student limitation uh that's basically based on the school district is what you're saying that's based on their projected student enrollment okay and do they have that student enrollment now or I'm looking at the potential for expansion and what that's going to do and when that's going to happen and all I think based on student population projections it may be best if we bring a representative of the school up to address that question okay do that when the hearing gets open anyone else would the applicant like to come and answer the questions am and address please good evening Rebecca gral mbv engineering 1835 20th Street Vero Beach here on behalf of our applicant Pastor Randy Fullerton I'm going to turn it over to him in just a brief second uh I would like to thank staff for their assistance in the review and getting this onto the agenda and before the board I'd like to introduce I sorry I would like to recognize all the people in the audience who are here tonight in support of the school I think if we just have everybody wait perfect so you can see we're we're very excited to be here tonight uh just I would again like to respectfully request approval I'm here to answer any questions you might have that are technical in relationship to to the site plan and with that I'm going to turn it over to Pastor Randy Fullerton thank you Rebecca thank you so much for allowing us to come before you again uh I don't know if you remember me and uh we came before you about three or four years ago and uh you gave us approval for a school plot for 400 students located on the corner of 4th Street and 27th Avenue caddy corner from Citrus we were excited at that time I'm the pastor of Glendale Baptist Church and one of our missions is glendell Christian School glendell Christian School Is No Fly by Night school it has a history of 49 years of service of educating young men and women to be outstanding adults uh Glendale Christian School has been there and has educated hundreds if not thousands of people throughout those 49 years uh we have suffered from success we have a tremendous curriculum we do the de Becca curriculum which is the hardest curriculum that you could find we still teach cursive writing to kindergarteners and all of our kids writing cursive and they learn how to count and they spell not F just Fanatics and stuff uh it's a tough curriculum and because of that we have an overwhelming demand of people to want to attend our school we uh our Campus located right now at uh 790 27th Avenue is um completely full every year we turn around turn away tens or dozens of of people who want their kids in our school we right now where we can't even accept siblings of kids into our school that are growing up we were excited about the idea of building a new school and you approved this three or four years ago about 2020 and then as soon as you did that uh something called Co hit and after we got through co uh the price of our school more than tripled and we said you know there's no way we can build that right there on that corner so we said let's wait and pray and we did and lo and behot just a a little over a year ago our association our Baptist Association approached us and said we have a church that is willing to sell their property of 17 Acres on 58th Avenue would you be willing to buy that uh we said of course we would and we did and uh on uh 2023 Christmas Day or Christmas Eve we began holding church services at uh 4555 58 Avenue Southwest for glendell Baptist Church we turned the campus what we call Glendale East located there on the corner of 8th Street in 27th Avenue totally over to the school and so they took control of the chapel which it's about 120 people and uh the whole campus and still we are are full uh I don't know if you know much about the location of where our school is now 58th Avenue there was a church there had been there for many years they had some hard times and they did not they built the building but did not get to develop the floors within that building and in that building there were three floors that were like half finished never never developed and they had set that way for 20 years for 20 years uh our location there at uh 455 58th Avenue is kind of a it's kind of a a mark for the city because our roof was put on by another church the interior of the sanctuary was finished by another church and throughout the years and the history of that Church all the churches in the community of barl Beach have had a part in what was going on out there and now for those floors to sit empty for 20 years and only the sanctuary being used but we moved in there and we realized right away that we could finish up the floors and that we could have part of our school out there within the footprint of what is there currently not turning one Spade of dirt not making one one foot of expansion and so we looked and saw where the need was and our need for growth is primarily in our Primary School schools you know at kindergarten through third grade and so we looked at our Junior High and we looked at our high school the high school we fall off on high school because we don't offer the extracurricular things that the schools like Charter offer and so many of our kids when they get to eighth grade they leave us but but we are licensed to do high school and so uh we have very few kids in that what we project is that we have enough room out there for 70 students sixth grade through 10th grade and that's with the rooms that we finished that that are currently there uh we're not changing anything of the imprint or footprint as you heard Patrick say and so we we needed to finish out those rooms for our church we had when we started having church out there we had a lot of kids that had no place to go to Sunday school go to Wes Wednesday night services uh to go to learn about missions or stuff like that and so uh we were going to finish these rooms anyway and so we decided to get a special exception permit to move our Junior High and our ninth and 10th grade because that's always we offer out there to Glend in Glendale what we call Glendale West uh we have we hope that you will approve this again um it's been a an odyssey of about a year Patrick has been very helpful with us going through this process we have answered every question that the county has asked of us we've tried to go above and beyond uh We've cooperated in every way that we can and uh to me that is that is pleasing noise behind me because that's some of our students and I hope that you won't disappoint them tonight and so with that I won't say any more except if you have some questions you'd like to ask me I will try to answer them if I can thank you Pastor I think there is a question on the table that we hoped you would be able to answer so Chip do you want to if you did with 70 student limitation I know it seems weird when you just look at it but that's the reason why because of what we're trying to do and where we're going we're trying to maximize our space Pastor just so I understand chip you said that was your projection but it would be limited to 70 yeah okay that's all we have space for yes sir you know we can only do what we have space for and uh you know every year we have the Fire Marshall comes through our current school and the health officials come through and we stay within the standards of what you guys regulate because we want to do that and so uh that's why we had that odd number you know but again I imagine we'll be turning away kids again we start enrolling and uh we just can't take them all and that breaks my heart it really does so if you have no other questions any other questions on the right I I have a question for planning staff not all right hold off then any other questions okay um I I also um have a question thank you Pastor okay we also have 40 pounds of kitty litter a month in our home I want you to know that yeah so I just I don't see how they absorb it all um yeah um uh so I have a question for staff uh how does a the emergency exit entrance work is it gated is it locked so typically those are gated um it can be by noxbox U but that's restricted so that public cannot use it just because it's there sometimes if you have an entrance people going to use it but nine times out of 10 those are gated entrances they are gated yes and locked correct and so emergency has entrance access what if it's going the the other way what if there's an emergency and people are going out as an emergency exit does that create a bottleneck um if you're if there's an emergency exiting the site yeah nine times out of 10 what people do is just take both lanes so you'll have double cars exiting because nothing's coming in so when people want to get out they're going to they're going to take that path of release resistance you're going to have taking both of the driveway two cars are going out at the same time of the regular driveway correct but what if the threat mandates people go out that emergency exit so the owner can um have an arrangement with the fire chief to have a key on their side so they can unlock it so you can have all patrons leaving through the pave driveway and fire emergency coming in through that stabilized access driveway okay Mark what's your question um I understand that this is not uh in the urban service area and that they're utiliz in an existing footprint and and structure uh if they were to want to expand the the structure How would how would that work it depends on how large the structure is I we'd have to evaluate whatever application comes in and see whether or not it can be accommodated um based on their their current septic or connection to sewer it depends on what they submit so there's not one size fits-all answer to that it really going to depends on what is the extent of their expansion if they ever want to expand and that's why we have a condition in there that should they want to expand it may come back before the board because it's really going to depend on how large there is some leeway that we can do that from a staff level approval um but it really just really going to depend on the size okay thank you that brought up an issue because I made an assumption maybe I shouldn't have made the Wastewater is disposed how through sewer or through SE they're on sanitary sewer if I can respond to that I'm happy to they're on sanitary sewer as well as in River County portable water that's what I thought but then and if I could just to address um the question about the emergency access that was the emergency access when the church was originally built over time it's kind of become overgrown so we're proposing just to go back and restabilize it um I don't think it's going to be evident that it's a a full access but it would provide additional egress as well as Ingress onto the site so right now there is no emergency exit or entrance it it existed a while ago it's still kind of there you drive your car through it today we drove our car through it a couple weeks ago a couple months ago it's just not very clear it's an emergency okay good this is a public hearing um so so I will open the public hearing to anyone that wants to comment on this um either Podium uh name and address my name is Grant Foster I live at 922 yearling Trail I'm also the pastor of Riverside Church in Sebastian Florida 11205 Rosen Road and I'm just here in support of this school we have students that come from Sebastian um I've actually done Chapel for this school for 37 years and I've seen the success and I think personally they're taking a deric building that was left um uncared for for many years and turning it into something that could be really good so thank you thank you hello board my name is Cynthia hayatt I live at 5993 Ridge Lake Circle in Vero Beach um I am a homeowner in inden River County my daughter is currently in her sixth year at Glendale Christian School um we chose Glendale as we found that there were many generational families that attend the school since it's been uh in Indian River County operating for almost 50 years as you heard earlier um what I'd like to say about that is we have students whose grandparents attended this school and as families grow children come and they want to go where their siblings went or where their grandparents went and we need the space um it would be a blessing for all of our students and our parents and staff if you this committee would Grant the special exception use for the property at 58th Avenue and thank you so much for your time and consideration thank you anyone else my name is James Ballard I live at 505 65th Avenue Southwest I actually live right down the street from the proposed school I live right off of Fifth Street Southwest which is the road to the South U my daughter's been going to Glendale since she was first grade and now she's in eighth grade and I'm hoping that you will give approval for this because I want her to be able to continue going after she graduates 8th grade than you thank you anyone else seeing none I will uh close the public hearing uh any additional commissioner questions or comments seeing none I'll call for a vote motion to approve a second there we go all in favor I opposed passes unanimously uh any any commissioner matters any planning matters I just want to note that uh the next schedule plan ends only meaning we may have one agenda item but it's still yet to come to fruition so we'll let you know if we end up having one just one so far thank you r that wait wait wait wait you spoiled us with this now you're only going to bring us one thank you for that well it was supposed to be on tonight's agenda but it got pulled for something any attorney matters no attorney matters we're a jman good job for