All right, let's call the meeting to order. This is the Thursday, March 26, 2026, 9:00 a.m. Town of Indian River Shores um regular town council meeting. We will start with the invocation from Councilman Carol.
>> We're thankful for this town and its residents. We are grateful for all who work for the betterment of our community and all who serve on its behalf. That those who work here and those who serve here be ever mindful of the town's vision and mission statement. Grant this
council the wisdom to govern amid the conflicting interest in issues of our times, the ability to work together in harmony even when there is honest disagreement, a sense of the welfare and true needs of our people, personal peace in our lives, and joy in our task. Amen.
>> Amen. Amen. As we pledge allegiance to the flag, let us all remember uh our troops that are in harm's way and freedom is never free. We are the land of the free because of the brave that is being proven right now. So let's let's all keep our troops in our thoughts and
prayers. >> To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
All right. Thank you. >> Welcome everyone. If you have not silenced or turned your cell phones off, um we'd ask that you do that now. We usually don't have a problem with that here though, but it's part of my routine, so I'll I'll keep it in the package. Uh item
C, roll call. If you could call the role. >> Mayor Foley >> here. >> Vice Mayor Awart >> here. >> Council member Carroll >> here. >> Council member Alieri >> here. >> Council member Tedesco >> here. Let the record show all members are present. Thank you very much. Are there any requests to reorder, delete
items, or add items to the agenda? There being none, is there a motion to approve? >> So move. >> Second. >> Okay. The motion from Councilman Carroll, the second from Councilman Alieri. Uh, all in favor? >> All right. Thank you. Uh, item three, we
have some presentations and proclamations today. Uh, we start with the September 30, 2025 financial statements. Uh Christine Null uh Null Ron of uh Car Rigs in Ingram. Is it that time of the year already? >> It is. We're actually a little earlier
than we typically are. >> I you know that's being early around these parts is a good thing, you know. So, excellent. Um all right, take it away. We look forward to your presentation. >> Okay. Um so, you did again receive a clean audit opinion as you typically do.
Your general fund uh the in the fund balance increased by 165,000. Your revenues overall were up um almost 800,000 from property taxes due to increased values. Your expenditures were up for capital outlay. So the renovations on the public safety
building and the and buying a new ambulance increased your capital outlay expenditures. Um so you still even with those increase expenditures again you had a positive increase in your fund balance of your general fund. All of your other funds are now non- major funds now. So your
general fund is your only significant fund at the moment. Um, in your planning and zoning fund, your revenues decreased about 81,000. You had less permits this year. Your ARPA fund, you spent the rest of that grant funding. Um, you were required to spend it by the end of 26
anyway. So now it's done. You don't have to worry about getting it done on time. And then your road and bridge fund had a small increase of 19,000 in its fund balance. Um, overall you're very consistent. Spent the rest of your grant funds. You did have a new government
accounting standard you had to implement because there's almost one every year this year related to compensated absences. So now you have to estimate the amount of sick time people will use before they leave instead of just what they will get paid out. So for-profit
companies will never estimate it this way. Um but Gatsby thought it was important to add. So that increased your liability by about $234,000 by just changing the method. Um, so you're not providing any more leave.
It's just estimating how much of it will actually be used. Um, again, we had no findings, no areas for improvement. We went through with the finance committee the um financial condition assessment that the state provides and you were inconclusive overall, which is normal.
That means everything's steady as it should be. There was only one indicator that showed up as unfavorable, but really it's due to the trend timing of when you had to start counting leases as debt because at the beginning of the time period you didn't and at the end you did. So you have an increase in
debt, but next year that'll probably flip in reverse. So does anyone have any questions or anything I can answer? >> All right, terrific. So on a lie detector, inconclusive is not necessarily good, but it's okay for us, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Um All right. Any questions from
council on the financial statements? U we'll start with Councilman Carol and then work our way down the deis. >> No questions, >> Vice Mayor. >> Uh really just more an observation for those in the audience and who might be watching on YouTube. Uh you know, thanks
as council and and the town manager and administration. This town is in great shape uh financially. Our pension funds both our uh si our one for our nonp police employees and the public safety fund is more than fully funded. That is
very rare in this uh uh country. Uh our revenue uh fund levels are in good shape. And for this coming fiscal year which is not covered by this annual report uh we voted a 3% decrease
decrease in the property tax military. So, uh, I think that's just important to note as you we're at this time of year. >> Uh, thank you very much. Um, those were observations I was going to make as well. But, uh, we we thank you for, you
know, the hard work and, um, you know, it's it's a pleasure to see an auditor and our chief financial officer basically working so well year after year. So, thank you for your your attentiveness to the town. Um, anything from Mr. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. Terrific. Um, see you next year. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Well, actually, I won't see you next year. Well, somebody will see you next year. >> Item 3B, proclamation of Indian River Shores a
Moonshot community. Is that time of year again, too? >> Um, for the moonshot program. So, we have a uh proclamation uh the moonshot community uh well rather than me try to summarize it um if if you want to come up and you
know give a brief summary of u what what it is I I attended I don't know how many people here attended the the uh the movie uh at the uh Riverside Theater that you know gave an exposition of um the program and and what it does and you
know capturing the minds at a at a point in time where they learn an incredible percentage of what they're going to learn for life and if you don't get it at that time it's lost and uh u go ahead take it away please just give a little overview of what what moonshot does. Thank you, Mayor Foley. Um, thank you,
council members. I'm Maria O'Brien. I work for the Learning Alliance. I have the privilege of also being the coordinator of our Moonshot Community Action Network. We call it MCANMC. Uh, the Moonshot goal is that 90% of our children will be ready for kindergarten and reading on grade level by the end of
third grade. Um, as you saw in that film, too. The the reason that third grade's been the milestone is from birth to third grade you're learning to read because after third grade you have to be able to read to continue to learn. Um literacy is really an economic issue. Uh it's a health, physical and mental
health issue. It's a national security issue which you heard at the um screening of the Moonshot film. Um as a Moonshot community, we've been doing this work for about 15 years. We are now tied for second in the state for third grade reading. So, our partnership with the school district and the community is
really paying off. Uh, our communities received more uh pace setter and brightsprite awards than any of the other 350 coalitions doing this work from the campaign for grade level reading. And last month we had a summit here where people came from 31 states,
four countries, 350 people came together to learn about the work. Um, we've also since then had um the Cadam County, Savannah, Georgia has declared themselves a moonshot community. Memphis, Tennessee is doing this. Martin County has done it. Minnesota's of Moonshot Minnesota. So, it's really
spreading around the nation. Um, and it's thanks to the very generous support of like Indian River Shores has been amazing partners to this. So, we appreciate the the continued support of it. Um, the learning alliance, it's such a complex issue that you need a backbone organization. So, that's the learning
alliance. But I also have um a couple of our MCAN members here. Um Vicky Demouth is on the learn lines board. Vicky Sule is with Oceanside Rotary. Stephanie is with me at the learning line. So it takes the entire community involved. Um I think what our proclamations the key point of that is literacy is everybody's
business. So thank you for again being a moonshot community. It is that time of year. I was looking for the power squadron folks. We usually share this but I didn't see them. So but really we're very grateful and and and thank you. >> Thank you. Yes, you you usually do have the power squadron at the on the same meeting. Um it is the film available on
the websites for people to see or is it uh too large a file? >> I'm so glad you asked. Um so there the because of this work there were the national filmmakers who made something called the film sentenced which was a very powerful documentary. They came here they saw the work that was being done and they said this is so moving we
want to make a story your story because it's so uplifting. Um, the director's cut that you saw on February 16th at Riverside Theater will be available on YouTube after April 10th because on April 10, everyone's invited. The Ver Beach Film Festival is going to show it
for free at the Ver Beach Theater Guild at 100 p.m. And we'll have a panel discussion as well with Dr. Moore, our superintendent, David Dyer on the schoolboard, Barberham, and our CEO. So, they'll show the film in a um panel discussion and then we're going to after that we'll put it um up open source on
YouTube for people to watch. >> Terrific. Thank you. I I encourage everyone to um to find a way to access it either in person or when it's uh when it's posted uh not on Netflix but YouTube, right? So, uh excellent. All right. Well, we'll we'll go right to the
proclamation, which is a proclamation of the town council designating Indian River Shores, Florida as a moonshot community where we support our youngest learners and their families to make Indian River County a leading literacy capital of the nation. Um, we'll skip all the whereases if you don't mind and
get right to the guts of it, which is now therefore the town of Indian River Shores does hereby proclaim our continued commitment to the moonshot goal and to advancing policies, partnerships, and community efforts that promote early language development, strengthen families, and improve
literacy outcomes for all ch children in witness or of um the hand and seal is set on on behalf of the town council of Indian River Shores. Congratulations and thank you once again for doing this very important work. >> So, you're welcome. >> If you'd like to
>> Sure. Let's get council, you know, scrunched together. All right, everybody say moonshot. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Item 3C, proclamation designating
April 2025 Florida Water Conservation Month. Is anybody here on behalf of this proclamation. All right. Um, a proclamation of the town of Indian River Shores designating April 2026 Florida Water Conservation
Month. Uh, I know a number of members of council here have worked in various capacities on uh issues regarding uh the environment, water, and the importance of our our lagoon. Um, and so it's a
vital uh vital issue to to anyone in a beachside community such as us. So the proclamation now therefore the town of council of Indian River Shores does hereby proclaim the month of April as water conservation month in Indian River Shores, Florida calls upon all residents
and businesses to help protect our precious water resources by practicing water saving measures and increasing awareness of the importance of conf conservation, excuse me. In recognition of the 27th year of Water Conservation Month, this year's focus will be on
ensuring that outdoor irrigation systems operate efficiently by using properly functioning rain shut off devices. By making sure these devices are installed, connected, and working as intended, our community can prevent unnecessary watering, reduce waste, and make better
use of the rainfall we receive in witness whereof. Um, the seal town council is uh is approved to this. Um, and I'm going to make a a further comment. You save money, too. I put in a smart meter. I, you know, kind of passed
around the information on it. Uh, since putting on a smart meter in my house, uh, my water bill has been cut anywhere from a third to a quarter a month. Uh, so not only are you saving water, you're also saving it. And uh these these devices are not your your grandfather's
devices that just kind of if the cork got wet on the sprinkler then it would shut off. It actually uh is a is a computer program that monitors the um the precipitation, rainfall and humidity and then adjust your watering schedule accordingly. Uh again saves money, saves
time. Costs about 300 bucks for a residential house to put in. So it'll pay for itself in a month or two. Anyway, that's it for the proclamation um from the water conservation month. I'll leave it here for the clerk uh to direct to the appropriate person. Item
3D, utility legislation, uh House Bill 1451. Uh Mr. Sweeney is going to give a presentation. This was this is a bill that was passed literally, I think, in the last 40 minutes of the last day of the session.
It's on the governor's desk. It has uh many of the items that as a council we've been looking for in order to protect uh our citizens from u ciruitous routes to increase you know search charges and fees on our water bills uh
to fund not the water utility but uh aspects of the local government providing the uh water services to us. So did we get everything we wanted in this bill if it's signed? No. Um, is it is it a really good long step there? I
think it is, but we'll find out if Mr. Sweeney agrees with me now. So, uh, Pete, take it away. Uh, thank you, Mayor Council. So, again, this is HB1451. Um, as the mayor said, uh, on Friday the 13th, which was the last day of session,
uh, it was passed and then sent on uh, for final approval ultimately to the governor. It has not been signed by the governor. uh in fact it actually hasn't been presented to him formally which then would trigger either a uh signature a veto or by the expiration of time
would automatically become law. So um but we're in anticipation of this uh talking about it. So what it does is a new regulatory scheme for municipal utilities. Very important. We're not talking about privately owned investorowned utilities. Um but this
certainly would apply to the utility provider for the town of Indian shores. So as you can see that covers it. Uh if you'll take me to the next slide. Um it requires several things. One of the first things is more transparency. It will require uh for any new service agreement or an extension renewal.
Anything we would be doing with our utility provider and a new contractual basis to meet these things must be in writing. We will have to have public input, public meetings. There will have to be annual meetings um with us as the customer. they will have to have representatives and all of this will be
done quite frankly in the open and transparently. Um this is a new requirement. Uh if we could go on to the next, this is probably where uh the biggest change is from what the current law is. Currently, municipal utilities are allowed to if they're providing service outside of their municipal
boundaries, such as our situation. We receive utilities from the city of Vero Beach. We are outside of their actual city limits. We receive it. Currently, they are allowed to provide a search charge. Um the search charge now has been as an a per se 25% eliminated. That
is a no longer they used to be able to just simply say if you're outside you receive our utilities we can tack on a 25% search charge that is prohibited going forward assuming this again is all signed into law. The difference will be
there can be a 50 I'm sorry a 25% differential but that would be based on a rate study that goes through this public process we just talked about and it has to be based on not just that but
uh the key term is based on just and equitable factors. Now again what does that mean? uh all of that would have to be portrayed, proven, and ultimately approved in public hearings. Um I am not and have not in my
experience as a town attorney or government attorney seen that taken a lot because again it's technical requirements. You'd have to show why is it more expensive? What are the the bases for charging somebody outside on more of a technical basis? Instead, most places, as I've seen, have said if the
rate for customers in the city is this, we simply add on 25%. That goes away. So, it could still be a 25% search charge, but again, it would have to be based on all of these things. Um, if we could go to the next slide, one last
very uh two last very important parts are number one that they have to report all of this to the public service commission going forward. Um, again, this is more transparency. Uh it's going to be annually. Um they also will be reporting most of this information to I
believe the governor's office, the uh CFO, uh the House Speaker, and the Senate President. Um one last part, uh and this is not really relevant to our area, but there is a state preeemption now on regional utilities authorities. This is quite frankly directed to the
Gainesville Regional Utilities Authority. Um and some action that has happened there over the last two or three years. One last thing I I do want to mention is that there is language in here that says um this would be phased out if there was a search charge for uh
outside extr territorial individuals. It would have to be phased out um by July 1, 2029 or the earlier if it was being used and it can only be used for bond covenants. So, as we know, our utility provider is
expanding, but the bond would have had to been issued by March 1st. So, that time period has passed. I'm not aware of any bonds. I'm also not aware that any bonds that may be in existence >> are uh indentured for us. So, as it's postured, >> excuse me, Pete, it's also the the
search charge had to be in place, you know, as of March 1st as well. And since we didn't, correct in it current iteration, we're we're outside the scope of that exception. We we should be and again it comes back to in the future at a renegotiation arguably they could create this just inequitable factor that would be the difference but that would
be it. Um so in total again has not even been presented to the governor is not law yet but uh assuming it is uh law it would all be effective July 1st. Um so it's coming up very quickly. So happy to answer any questions.
>> Any questions? Just uh one observation I guess Pete >> um 180.1 192 which is the statute. Yes sir. If you look at page seven um of eight of the document that we've been given, one of the issues that the commission is going to be looking at is
in deep sub paragraph D, the percentage of the percentage of revenues generated from the provision of utility services that were used to fund or finance non-utility government functions or services of the municip of the m municipality and the percentage of the
municipality's non-utility budget. Um what's what's the purpose? Does that mean that the commission is now going to sort of monitor that issue in the future and for what purpose? >> Um I I >> I know it's an issue I know it's an issue that's important to us.
>> The the answer is yes and and I certainly would defer to our our vice mayor. He has spent more time uh than I have on but the fundamental principle is a lot of utilities municipal utilities transfer a lot of this search charge to their general fund.
plain premise here is that if they're doing that, it now is going to be transparent and I would defer again to our vice mayor if there's any information they've ever been able to show on what the transfers are perfectly >> but there's no there's no statutory prohibition from them transferring to
>> there is not a statuto prohibition other than now it will happen now there's a watchdog >> yes sir >> okay >> yes sir >> yeah uh to that uh point for example the city of beach takes 6% of your bill and
transfers it to their general fund to reduce property taxes for uh citizens of Vero Beach inside their incorporated boundaries. There's one other item which usually flies under the RA radar screen and that is for example they'll take the
amount of money that is uh spent on salaries for city council and the staff to support them and turn around and say well since they may talk about the utility once a year they allocate a portion of those expenses
to the utility and then recover that through a higher rate. They do that across every single department. And I've gone through the financial statements. There's a line in there. It's called general fund administrative chargeback.
And it's a substantial amount of money above that uh above that uh 6%. And these other utilities do it as well. Or Orlando is notorious for taking big profits out and supplement. It's in the hundreds of
millions of dollars. now they have a huge uh authority. So yeah, I to to the town attorney's point, there's finally the antill is getting kicked over and now we're seeing uh what what is going on. So uh I I got a couple questions,
but I'll I'll wait till everybody else gets the chance to speak. >> No, no, thank you, you know, for that clarification. Hence, did we get everything we want? No. Um but the transparency and in you know in the overall context of the legislation if it's if it's enacted and signed into law
makes it very clear that um the framework is that your fair just and equitable search charges although not explicitly stated really have to relate to the utility function and not to general fund transfers. So um it's not clear. I think they'll be taking
positions in municipalities. They're still allowed to do it, but um you know, your your your taxpayers are going to say, "Wait a minute. What am I paying taxes for if my water bills are, you know, paying for it?" In our context, the vice mayor is right. So that 6% you're paying for 6% of the employees of
the city of Vero Beach that are allocated to that. Um that function whether you know that's definable or not, who knows? Um, but you don't pay, you know, you don't you don't vote in that district. So, it's really taxation without representation. So, anyway, uh,
Councilman Carol has, uh, has some comments. So, >> please define sir charge. >> Yes, sir. Um, >> sorry. Sorry about that. Thank you. Uh, we would have to go back into some of the prior versions of it and I can pull it up, but the idea being whatever, let
me start for a minute. Every single utility provider has to go through a rate study in order to be able to justify the rates that the the rate payers are paying. Once they get to that and typically it's based on thousands of gallons per day or of those caliber once
they create that the sir charge is quite simply whatever that number is 25% greater and that's historically how it has been um as just a simple math calculation. Again going back go ahead I'm sorry. Okay. So, follow on question.
It's 25% uh search charge on top of what the base rate would ordinate would be for a citizen in the city of Vero Beach. >> That's correct. >> Okay. >> Yes, sir. Does the city of Vero Beach take 6% of the search charge and apply it to its
general fund or do they take uh the base rate plus 25% and apply 6% of that number to their general fund? I >> I believe that's accurate. I would again defer to vice mayor. It's my understanding it's it's a global
>> Yeah. There first of all there is no search charge currently. >> Correct. >> Yeah. So the rate that is paid by whether you're in the city in the town of Indian River Shores or in the unincorporated areas of Indian River
County primarily South Beach which is served by their water utility that those those revenues regardless where they come from they take 6% quote as a profit and then they that cost allocation that
that I I talked about. Can Mr. Carol, are you done or can I ask a couple questions now? >> I'm finished. >> Yeah. Okay. I just want to make sure you uh the uh first thing is in terms of the bill once it's presented to the governor, am I correct that if it sits
on his desk for 10 days and there's no action, it becomes law. >> I believe it's 14 days. >> 14 days. >> I believe it's but I'll confirm that. >> Okay. It's 10 days in the US Constitution. So, okay. And and my second question is I think I know the
answer to this but if the any utility is required to provide some justification on it as part of this process to bring things more into the uh sunshine
currently under this bill. Am I correct that there is no appeal process? So they could do things that are manifestally wrong in terms of justifying it, but we have no place to go. Am I correct? >> Right now there's very little teeth in here other than that last news section
we talked about and and failure to follow the reports with the governor. There is that. But otherwise, I do not see any teeth. >> Yeah. For example, in a in a uh a for-profit private utility, they go through the public service commission. Florida Power and Light will come in
with rates and then there is an appeal process where you go through. So that that that is missing. I I still think this is a good a good step. We're not there. But uh to the to the mayor's comment, that's uh that's a good leap. But what I think people will be around
the state will be shocked how much of uh these, for lack of a better term, predatory tactics are uh being done by uh municipalities. I was up with the Florida League of Cities arguing uh the unfairness of this in the case I've made
and I've said it before in council was say for example if you were Florida Power and Light customer and your neighbor was and just arbitrarily a municipal boundary went right down the property line of your two houses and your neighbor was paying X
and you were paying X times 25% how would you feel? It's just manifestally unfair. and they and in the lack of justification for their sir charges, it just doesn't make any sense. And it's it really burns me the Florida League of
Cities makes choices between uh different municipalities protecting some not protecting other. And I know the mayor has been vehement at different meetings about that. So with that, >> yeah, that's why nobody sits next to us at these meetings, Bob. But um anyway um
you know to Councilman Carol's point you know just to simplify it the 25% search charge the way it works it's merely for the asking. You don't have to justify anything. You just say we're imposing a 25% search charge because we can and there's there's no vehicle no
methodology no way to challenge it. Now at least the fair just and equitable factors you know there's some case law definition in that that could you know that could be that. The second point, there is no administrative process, but the our our utility provider, the city
of Vero Beach, is not regulated. So, you know, there there would theoretically be a private cause of action, a suit by either a class action suit or, you know, by a franchise holder like us that could say you're violating the statute by correct >> uh imposing a search charge or not imposing fair just an equitable
standard. So, we we'll see it. Um my my my point in this is that we we previously had uh consensus among council and delegated to uh the town manager on behalf of council to write in support of legislation that was pretty
similar to this. Um if you recall council when we were dealing with Florida tax watch, you know, we had uh encouraged them to um in the context of real property tax reform plug loopholes that would allow um municipalities with
the utilities to not upcharge in the utilities to cover for any conceivable real property tax loss. Um I'm I'm going to ask if there's any objection to that prior delegation uh the town manager to write to the governor in support of this
legislation um being renewed because I don't know how many uh how many utilities are uh or rather municipalities with utilities are going to write in support of the legislation. we have a a good story to tell that we don't have to reinvent because we've
already sent it out and um distributed that that letter to the public uh previously. So, if there's no objection at the end of this, I'm I'm going to ask uh for unanimous consent to uh reiterate the delegation that was prior given to Mr. Hartbring to um present a letter in
support of this legislation to be signed by the governor. Um all right, Mr. Alteri, do you have um our utilities commission representative? >> I uh just one other um question, Pete, which is I assume that this that the act
180.19 does not supersede or in any way affect our individually negotiated rights under the franchise agreement. So the I'm what I'm concerned about is disclosure. So if if the city makes certain disclosures as
they're required to and hold certain meetings for the purpose of disclosure to the people that are receiving the rates um can they take the position that if we want to exercise our rights under the franchise agreement they say no that
has been superseded by our disclosure requirements under the statute. I I think I understand what you're saying. I do not believe that the statute is a retroactive application in the statute. So I do agree with the idea that whatever we have already agreed to in
our franchise is what we're going to be bound by, hence the sort of phase out of some of this over the next 3 years. But I do think going forward um I think it's more likely that these would be considered additional extra contra extra contractual obligations under the
statute. So they may meet our baseline with our agreement, but they still may have to do this to be in compliance with state statute. If if that makes sense. >> Yeah. So my point was that before the enactment of the statute, many of the rights that are encompassed in the
statute, we already have pursuant to the franchise agreement. >> And and let me make sure and I would defer to Mr. Harping on this. we are going to be in or have postured to uh negotiate uh again with our utility provider. Mr. Mayor, if I may, excuse
me. Um yes, excuse me. Yes to your question. Um but not part and parcel. In other words, everything in the new legislation is not in the franchise agreement as it stands now. And we are in the window uh as we
have previously noticed pursuant to the franchise agreement the city of uh renegotiation. Councilman Tedesco. >> All right. Nothing to add. >> All right. Um is there uh is there unanimous consent to um de continue the
delegation and ask our town manager to reiterate u our support for legislation of this kind in in particular House Bill 1041. Uh if there's any objection, we can put it on the agenda next month, but I I think going to be too late by then. Um >> I agree.
>> Any any objection to that? >> None. Okay, good. So, Senator Gro, uh Representative Brackett, um what's the name of the governor again? No, I'm kidding. Ron Ronda Santis. Um so, we'll we'll put that in your capable hands and
you can just use the template that we did supporting the other legislation and tailor it to this. Um >> maybe send it to the CFO as well. >> Yeah, ladies and gentlemen would be that would be a great great idea. >> Any anybody else is running for governor but
>> yeah right Byron Donald's and you know Mark Wayne Mullen let's send it to everybody. So um no in all seriousness I think it's it's it's uh it's about as close as we've come to the goal line on this and I'm not getting my hopes up but uh let's do what we can to support it.
So, thank you, council. Um, and, uh, thank you to the citizens, you know, of, uh, of Indian River Shores that pay these charges to, um, keep things going in outside our jurisdiction even. All right. Um, item number four, comments
from the public regarding the agenda items. If there's a member of the public that has a comment regarding a specific agenda item, um, please feel free to come forward, comment on it. Uh please state your name and the agenda item that you wish to comment on.
No takers today. Okay. Um with uh with with there being no comments, we'll move on to the consent agenda. Is there a motion to pro? >> So move. >> Okay. Um is there a second? >> Second. >> Uh I don't see anything that requires a
roll call vote. You >> are correct. >> Uh so all in favor? I >> I >> Is there any negative vote? There being none, it is unanimous. The consent agenda is approved. Okay. Mayor's report. Bear with me. I have a little
more today than I usually do. Um, but we'll try to get through it as quickly as I can. Uh the first first thing I want to report on is the town clerk and uh and I met with uh uh Tammy Bersick, the recently retired clerk of
the city of Euro Beach and Councilman Aaron Voss uh regarding a Fourth of July celebration uh to commemorate the bsentennial of um of the area and we've been asked to participate in
the festivities and Is Miss Bersick here today? >> She's not. >> She's not. Okay. >> April 23rd. >> Okay. So, she she's going to come on April 23rd and um uh and give a presentation of what is uh going to be going on on the 4th of July and you know
what, um what what the town and its residents can do to support it. Um and we'll leave it for that. Uh there will be a time capsule. Um, I on behalf of the council, I uh volunteered um our town clerk to be the
coordinator of this. That's a joke. Um, but I I think Janice is probably in the best position to get the input from various members of council on anything that they think may be uh noteworthy. if if John's Island or uh any of the uh
local homeowners associations have anything of historic value that they would like to contribute as part of the recognition of the contributions of the town to the area, um please please feel free to you know give them over to um uh to to our town clerk Janice and she can
kind of uh uh coordinate all that. And then on we'll be we'll be hearing from Tammy Bersick at the next meeting regarding um greater details about that. There's going to be fireworks and parades. Um I don't think we're a candidate for a float in the parade, but
um you know there will be such things. So sounds like a nice area celebration. Everybody can come together. Um tax issues. Um uh this is just a a very quick note. Um,
I I asked to be distributed to council a a look at the burden that Indian River Shores taxpayers pay on ad valerum taxes, which is a fancy name for real estate taxes uh across the county. And um the last council meeting, I believe
it was, the vice mayor improved on uh or updated some statistics that relied upon the population versus the tax burden. Uh that, you know, I asked to be put together uh the last time a tax raise was really being uh considered across
county that would uh unfairly impact, I thought, the u taxpayers of Indian River Shores. And that was in the context of funding certain you know children's programs really basically funding NOS's um and the council uh in that context
noted that uh you know we what was your phrase we punch well above our weight correct >> um so we just curious to have a look at this in the context of the various proposals to reduce adalair taxes or eliminate them in some instances and how
it plays out on uh on a parcel basis. So council was given this which was produced by u the CFO of our tax collector's office and you know the long and the short of it is the percentages are even higher if you look at it on a
parcel by parcel basis. So accounting for you know um well let's just read it the parcels of you know of total agileum taxes assessed attributable to parcels within Indian river shores is close to 6%. And
the percentage of tax parcels attributed is about 4%. So um on a dollar on a dollar basis the average per parcel tax rate in Indian River Shores is $18,355. Everywhere else it's $4,91.
So, um, when we hear about other government, other governments, municipalities going around claiming the sky is falling if we get rid of real estate taxes or we modify them or reduce them. I think it's well well advised for
us to really keep in mind that we have a very unique situation here in our town and we are carrying the burden for a huge part of uh tax funding throughout throughout the county. Um and as we as
we hear the you know we're not going to have a you know we're not going to have roads, we're not going to have baseball fields, you know it's really chicken little stuff. The sky is falling. uh let's take a step back and look how it impacts us and not fall into the I think it's a
scare tactic about you know we just can't even talk about cutting off ad valerum taxes or reducing them. Um I will I will tell you this if if there's anybody here who has a different experience when I've gone out into the community and I've asked citizens of Indian River Shores do you do you think
you don't pay enough in real estate taxes? Uh I've I've yet to find someone who says no I want to pay more. Um so look we have a reality we have to fund essential services of government and remember the reforms that are being put forward by the state legislature keep
intact funding for police and education. Um but it also makes uh you know makes I think a very good exercise to to think about how we can give some relief particularly to older taxpayers that are um that have paid 20 years of taxes or
over 65. Um, I I know a big a big talking point, you know, and sometimes people think if they just say it, it becomes true, is that, well, this will terribly affect, you know, people who who rent. Um, not necessarily true. I mean, there are there are targeted tax cuts and different strategies that can
that can um address that. But look, the I I still think they're a long long way away from having anything specific um in terms of, you know, real estate uh tax relief. But um let's let's keep an open mind on this and recognize the um
the huge amount that this that this small municipality carries on a on a countywide basis. Um I I would note that there's um another bill. We're talking about a lot of bills as we do at the end of legislative sessions. uh three I
think it was three meetings ago I challenged uh um staff and next year's council since I won't be here uh to come up with a 5% reduction in u in spending uh I was off
on the percentage so there's a current bill which requires a budget workshop at least 14 days before final adoption to identify strategies that could reduce the next fiscal year's budget by 10% without affecting services. So, we may very well see legislation that requires
as part of the budget process, uh, public bodies to consider, you know, what a 10% reduction would look like. And, uh, again, this goes to the, you know, uh, fraud, waste, and abuse, uh, scenarios that are popping up. Not here. I mean, I think we're pretty good. Um,
so anyway, let's let's keep an eye on that. Uh this is this is legislation that is um is supported by the state CFO Blazing Golia. So uh we'll see where it goes with that. I'm a little behind on this. I don't know if that's been presented to the governor, but it's it's
one to watch. Not mandatory. You don't have to cut 10%, but you've got to at least go through the exercise and say what would it look like? You know, would our would the world come to an end in our municipality if that happened? Um all right. Uh, next item I have is
um, uh, the legislature sent the governor a bill. We have another bill. Getting a lot of bills today. Always bills to pay. Uh, this one is, uh, is a is a interesting
approach which requires the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to encourage nature-based solutions to improve coastlines. Um that's code for everything from beach erosion to um plant plantings being eroded. Um
natural and unnatural events involving uh threats to to marine life and uh um and vegetation. Uh among other it primarily deals with Manatee County, but you know like most legislation you know there's an old saying it starts out as a horse and then winds up as a three
humped back camel. So, one of the humps in the camel that came out of this legislation was um to uh look at nature-based solutions to prevent these erosions. We've talked in the past about is there a better way uh to to deal with this stuff rather than just dumping 8
n$10 million worth of sand in the ocean. Um St. Lucy County is is working on that. I've I've uh discussed here before that, you know, perhaps our staff can uh coordinate with St. Lucy County because they're looking at some uh some
structure some structures that may prevent erosion. Uh notwithstanding the fact that we've been told that we really don't have um you know great uh great geology for that in the ocean. But uh this is something for us to follow closely because there's going to be
money available and uh the department of environmental protection now just can't say nothing we can do. They've actually got to come up with you know some better solutions for this and propose it. So, uh um have at it more work for staff. Um good luck on that. Uh it's actually
pretty good news, I think. Um okay, last item. Always save the fun part for the last. We we've got some homework for council. There's currently in effect, and I've got a lot of notes, but I'm just going
to try to simplify it as best I can. Um, we currently have an ordinance that prohibits the parking of quote pickup trucks um overnight in the driveway, even if it's a privately owned driveway. Now,
this does not refer to homeowners associations except as I'll I'll outline it in a little bit. So, we're really talking about a fairly small area of the town. That's the non-HOA areas that have um uh where people have driveways. So,
technically uh the the parking of a pickup truck overnight is an ordinance violation. Uh it's been in effect for a long time. I forget how long, but um I think since the first land development code was probably over 25 years, maybe longer.
So, um I like the aesthetics of this community. Um, I like the fact that we're different, that we don't have boats on trailers parked in people's front yards, that we don't have um um commercial vehicles that are signed
um parked in driveways and front yards. We're we're an upscale beachside community. We look different than other places. Our property values reflect that difference. And um I'm I'm always in favor of, you know, having those kinds
of things that um like such as this ordinance that make sure that, you know, people are are preserving um that look and feel even if it's in their own driveway. Okay. No prohibition if you have a pickup truck against parking it in your
garage. Right. So, the problem is if you have a pickup truck and you're parking it in your driveway, technically you're in violation of the ordinance, much the same way you would be if you were parking a trailer, much the same way if you were, you uh parking a recreational
vehicle, if you were parking um you know, a boat. I think we need to um get some input from the community on this. Um, you know, pickup trucks have have become, you know, not just not just
something that farmers use or people that have, you know, businesses use. It's it's a primary mode of transportation for people. So, um, the the question for us is to decide whether or not, you know, we ought to workshop,
get feedback from the community. And you know, I'm I'm I'm going to express my opinion. Develop a very narrow um narrow exception to uh the pickup truck uh prohibition of parking in a private
driveway, which would be based upon, you know, the gross gross vehicle weight. Other other communities have been working on this issue and doing it as well, limiting the number of axles, things like that. Um, you know, again, let's have a look at it and get some feedback from the community and workshop
it, see, you know, it may turn out that, you know, there are 20 pickup truck drivers that want to park in the driveway in town and there are, you know, 5,000 residents who don't want it and then, you know, we've we've got our answer, but I think we we ought to at least take a look at it, particularly
because the state legislature has passed uh legislation in 2024 that took effect 2025, I believe, actually 2025 um which prohibits homeowners associations
>> from prohibiting pickup trucks from being drive uh from being parked in a driveway. So we we have the anomaly of um homeowners association which usually has broader rights than a municipality
cannot prohibit the parking of a pickup truck in a driveway. Um, but we're we're prohibiting it in in the town. So, uh, we we have a conflict. There's some legal things I'll give everybody a headache about if, uh, if if I were to try to play lawyer on this and say we
could still defend the the municipal ordinance because, you know, the legislature intended only to only to limit HOAs in this power, but but the bottom line is the anomaly still exists, you know. So, um I don't know that um if
push came to shove the u prohibition against pickup trucks would would survive a court battle. I don't think it's a slam dunk either way. Um but I think as a policy matter, it's more incumbent upon us to determine, you know, why why even fight this and risk
this if if if we uh can achieve consensus on, you know, making a very narrow narrow exception to this. Now, what am I not talking about? Personally, I'm only one voice up here. Uh I am not in favor of trailers, commercial vehicles, signed vans, uh things like
that being able to be parked, you know, in in areas. I'm talking about, you know, basically the reality of what's happening is that we have some residents of our town who have very nice pickup trucks, some of which are smaller than my SUV, um that are subject to being cited for an ordinance violation for
that. So, um, I I'm sorry for the long-winded explanation, but I wanted to give a little bit of background on this. And I think, uh, you know, without objection from council, we should put this as an agenda item to discuss, uh, council's input and thoughts on this at
the April meeting. I'm sorry, at the Yeah, at the April meeting uh, with a workshop to be determined shortly after that. So, that's that's my uh that's my story on this. Vice Mayor.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm in favor of looking at this. Uh, and one thing that I would ask us to consider as we workshop this out is what exactly is an SUV? Some people think an SUV is a truck to certain
manufacturers. Others try to style it as as something different. So I think as part of that look we should attempt to figure that out so we don't have to come back and and do that again. But to your point the reality is all the manufacturers out there are going away
from uh producing sedans and I don't think Chevy has a sedan uh GM has a sedan left. I don't I think Ford doesn't have a sedan uh left. Toyota has a couple. So I mean you know it's a it's an endangered species. So we have to
accept reality. So I would be in favor of your approach. >> Anyone else? No objection. Okay. So if we could put that as a discussion item, possible or probable action. Um I suppose the action would be setting a date to workshop this and get input from
the community. And in the meanwhile, we can do council can do its homework. Go out and talk to people in the public as we always do and you know see what the see what the sensibilities are of it. Um to your point, Vice Mayor, um we we don't have to reinvent the wheel on this. Uh uh the town manager came up
with um an ordinance, you know, from another community. There's another ordin ordinance or two I came up with. And rather than, you know, delve into the definitions, um you know, it looks like most of the other jurisdictions that are grappling with this are, uh focusing
basically on two things. You know, gross gross vehicle weight and the number of axles. So, you know, you can't you can't you can't have a monster truck with, you know, the 14-in >> damn, >> you know, 14 ft, you know, wheels. But anyway, we'll we'll flesh that out. Okay. All right. Thanks very much.
That's it. Uh, if there's any any uh uh inquiry or question for me from council, I'm happy to answer anything. All right. Let's move on to uh council member items, starting with Mr. Teddesco. Do you have anything you wish to bring up? >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh on the 18th of
March, uh town clerk Janice and I drove to Felsmere and attended the Treasure Coast Regional League of Cities meeting which was very well attended. There were we estimated around 60 to 70 people there. And they also announced the fact
that there were four new members that were auxiliary members who were not necessarily directly connected to a town but were people like u hospitals and other kind of commercial facilities that had an interest.
uh center of attraction at the meeting was Robbie Brackett, our representative who made a presentation. Uh and just to give the cliff notes on the presentation, he uh he began by talking
about who he was and the fact that he was very pro business. uh was a member uh originally of the council in Vero Beach and uh now lives also in Tallahassee where he commented later
that he pays nine mills and that was an example of the kind of unfairness that we see today in the state. Um the key takeaways I took were number one he said that the primary focus of this
year's session the past session was tax reform. No more specificity than that. However, he said relatively few bills were passed by both chambers because of significant differences between the house and the
senate. And he briefly highlighted the divide in their priorities. He said the House was emphasizing mostly on tax cuts and limiting government regulations and the Senate, on the other hand, had a much broader policy and spending priority agenda.
He said that many of the bills that did not pass this session are expected to be refiled this coming year. And he specifically mentioned plans to refile HP 105, which is his pet uh bill that was introduced
Uh HP 105 is the local government enforcement actions bill that uh attempts to make sure that uh everything is above board I guess. Um, he said that he had heard the governor
say, this was in response to a Q&A session he had afterwards, said that the governor said he would not sign any reduction in taxes, specifically in property taxes, if there
were any exclusions or exceptions tacked on to it. He wanted it fair for everybody at this point. And it sounded very much like if I had to read his uh body language that he wasn't really expecting anything
to pass on that basis. Um Janice, do you have anything to add? >> I think it was a very uh I enjoyed the meeting. I got a chance to meet a lot of other town people. Uh I was specifically
impressed with Aaron Voss who is on council at at uh at city of beach who seems to be very interested in collaborative efforts with the shores. That's all I have to report. >> All right. Thank you. Mr. Alteri, do you
have anything other than your committee reports which we'll do later? >> The um No, I I have nothing else to add. And when it comes to committee reports, um the utility committee meets on a bimonthly basis. Now March was an off month. Next meeting will be early April.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Nothing, Mr. Carol. Anything? Okay. Thank you. Um we'll move on to item eight. And by the way, terrific. I'm glad you uh you know, League of Cities is kind of a baptism of fire for you know, a newly appointed elected official. there's a lot of stuff going
on and you know as the vice mayor alluded everybody's got somewhat different interests so it's a it's a great group and it's also terrific to network with other people that are in similar situations and you find out you know despite differences we have a lot more in common usually than we do in in difference so uh
>> sorry no it's fine no I think it was appropriate you know uh uh appropriate in this context since uh you know it was your first your first outing so to speak so very well done um all All right, item 8A, selection of auditor selection
committee. So, I guess this is we're going to select the committee that's going to select the auditor. Sounds like Monty Python, but um okay, take it away, Mr. Harper. Teed that Monty Python up pretty easy, but I'll I'll I'll pass. Uh the auditor
selection committee, we're required by statute um to select a a committee to uh select the auditor. I know it sounds cyclical already. Um, but the finance committee did uh meet and discuss this on March 3rd and recommended uh two of their members to be on that committee. Uh, chair uh Michael Oxner and finance
committee member Rob Stevenson. Um, this point in time we need a to select a town council member um to serve on that committee as well. >> Um, when when does it meet? Uh the actual meeting is is is pending
because once we uh get the third uh individual, we'll meet go through the process of how uh we're putting out the RFP for the new uh auditor company, see who puts in and and we'll have the committee uh schedule, but we don't have a definitive date yet for that meeting.
>> Okay. So, but we're not talking over the summer. This is, you know, next month or two or >> uh Right. We're we'll it it's to be determined, but yeah. >> Yeah. Go ahead, Heather. Please. The schedule is set up based off um the
members availability. We have to meet to present our draft proposal for the for the committee to make any recommended changes because they are actually the selection committee. Then we will put it out and that could take a month because you want to give time to answer
questions. So we would meet at their leisure but it will it will leak into the summer a little. >> Okay. Any volunteers from council? I just wanted to get the the timing straight on on this committee. >> I'm happy to do it. >> Uh, Councilman Alter is happy to do it.
Is that uh >> you okay with that everyone or >> Sure. >> Okay. All right. So, you have your um your your your committee to select a selector or whatever. Okay. Great. Um item 8B. Oh, do we have to vote on this or can we do
it by acclamation? >> Mr. Mayor, just to make it clear for the record, I think it would be appropriate to have a motion to second in a vote. Doesn't have to be roll call, but I think it would be appropriate. >> Motion to motion to approve Mr. Alieri be the town council representative.
>> Second. >> All right, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Unanimous. Item 8B, ordinance number 587. This is a second reading of the short-term vacation rental enforcement. Uh Mr.
Sweeney has some legal nicities that have to be complied with in order to u to approve the second reading. So uh take it away, Mr. Sweeney. >> Uh Mr. Mayor, this would be uh again
this would be ordinance number 587. I apologize. Sorry, got to the wrong page there for a second. Page 166. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. An ordinance, excuse me. This is ordinance number 587,
ordinance of the town of the of Indian River Shores related to short-term establishment, I'm sorry, updates to the short-term vacation rentals, including and providing for severability, providing for scribers are errors, providing for codification, providing
for an a effective date. This is the second reading. My apologies, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. >> All right. >> Any discussion on this? Absent discussion. Is there a motion to approve? >> So move. >> Second.
>> All right. A motion from Councilman Carroll, a second from Councilman Altier. >> Uh roll call vote, please. >> Mayor Foley. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Outwwater. >> Hi. >> Council member Carroll. >> Hi. >> Council member Alieri. >> Hi. >> Council member Tedesco. >> I. >> Let the record show. The motion passes
unanimously. >> All right. Item 8 C, another second reading. This is ordinance number 588, the establishment of departments. We uh uh went through a description of why we're doing this. It's basically streamlining uh streamlining for
efficiency and economics. Um do you want to >> Yes, sir. >> read the proper language. >> Yes. >> Yes, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. This is ordinance number 588, an ordinance relating to town administration amending section 30.01, 01 establishment of departments, providing for applicability and inclusion, providing for severability, providing for scrier
errors, providing for codification, providing for a business impact statement, and providing for an effective date. This is the second reading. Thank you, Mr. All right, it's the second reading. Is there any discussion? Uh, without discussion, roll call vote, please.
>> Sorry. >> Yes, we would need a motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Get a motion by the vice mayor, second by uh Councilman Carol. A roll call vote. >> Mayor Foley. >> Hi. >> Vice Mayor Awart. >> Hi. >> Council member Carroll. >> I. >> Council member Alieri.
>> Hi. >> Council member Teddesco. Let the record show. The motion passes unanimously. >> Item 8 D. Another second reading. Um ordinance number 589. Repeal of section 31.05 contracts required for services. Mr. Sweeney.
>> Yes, sir. This is ordinance number five. This is ordinance number 589. An ordinance of the town of Indian resource Florida municipal corporation repealing section 31.05 contract required for services providing for a business impact estimate providing for severability providing for codification providing for conflicts providing for scribers errors
and providing for an effective date. This is the second read. Any discussion on this item? If no discussion of motion please >> second. >> Okay. Motion from Councilman Carol. Second. Second by Vice Mayor Alwater.
Roll call vote. >> Mayor Foley. >> I. >> Vice Mayor Outwwater. >> Hi. >> Council member Carroll. >> Hi. >> Council member Alieri. Hi. >> Council member Toedesco. >> Hi. >> Let the record show. The motion passes unanimously. >> Okay. We have item 8E which is ordinance number 590. Uh this is a first reading.
So, I will uh ask town manager to give an overview uh for the public who are here in person and watching uh remotely and for council so that we can um have a description of what we're what we're proposing with ordinance number 590. Um
thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council. Um, ordinance number 590 is an ordinance that continues the uh organizational uh clarif clarification and cleanup uh relative to uh the structure of the administration of the town, the establishment of departments. Uh I will
note collectively uh ordinance number 590, 591 and 592 are all uh addressed to that particular same topic. Uh in this particular uh ordinance, what it does is uh it will um in that particular uh
section, it will uh reflect some of those changes that were made in the second reading ordinances relative to the structure. Uh and that's pretty much the overview. I'm happy to answer any detailed questions on that prior to the reading. >> As this is a first reading, are there any questions from council of uh the
town manager or the town attorney on the item? All right. There being none, uh, is there a motion to approve? >> Move. >> Uh, Councilman Carol, motion to Oh, I'm sorry. You have to read the magic language, I thought. >> Yes, sir. I'll go ahead and run it through. Ordinance number 590, an
ordinance of the town annual shores, repealing article 6, section 30.45 of the town's code of ordinances, which outlines the organization, powers, and duties of the department of treasury in its entirety, providing for applicability and inclusion, providing for severability, providing for an economic impact statement, providing for scriers areas, and providing for an effective date. This is the first
reading. Thank you, mayor. Thank you, Councilman Carol. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. Councilman Carol made the motion. Second by Councilman Alieri. Roll call vote, please. >> Mayor Foley, >> I. >> Vice Mayor Alwater. >> Hi. >> Council member Carroll. >> Hi.
>> Council member Alieri. >> Hi. >> Council member Tedesco. >> I. Let the record show the motion passes unanimously. >> All right. Item 8F, ordinance number 591. Uh that's an amendment to article 7 to department of finance section 30.50
organization powers and duties. It's a first reading. Mr. As it's a first reading, Mr. Harping, do you have anything to add to this one? >> Um Mr. Mayor, just for uh >> sorry, just for clarity, um while the uh Department of Treasury is being eliminated, that's consistent with the
uh uh terminology and creation of the finance department. Uh so it's not as if we're uh eliminating any uh financial uh oversight or management. It's uh it's an organizational terminology issue. >> All right. Thank you. So your that description probably covers for the next
item as well. Um so um are there any questions further from council or discussion on this item? >> If not, can you read the magic language? >> Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor, this is ordinance number 591, an ordinance of the town annual shores amending article 6, section 3050 of the town's code of
ordinances, which outlines the powers and duties of the department of finance providing for applicability and inclusion, providing for severability, providing for an economic impact statement estimate, providing for scribers errors, and providing for an effective date. This is the first reading. Thank you. All right. Is there a motion to approve?
>> All right. We have a motion and a second. Um, roll call vote. >> Mayor Foley, >> I. Vice Mayor, >> I. Council member Carroll. >> Hi. >> Council member Alieri. >> Hi. >> Council member Dedesco. >> Hi. >> Let the let the record show. The motion passes unanimously. >> All right. Thank you. And and in this
regard, just note that the town manager has prepared an updated organizational chart for anyone on council that's interested in having it. Um um and it's on the day. So um it's it's pretty that probably should go on the website as well. I think we we put that on there. Okay. So, it'll give folks a idea of how
the town is structured and the efficiencies that'll be accomplished by this if it survives second reading. Um, all right. Item 8G, ordinance number 592, amendment to section 32.21, town manager.
>> Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council, excuse me. Uh, on this, this outlines the various duties and responsibility of the town manager. It also recommends um deletion of a variety of different um historical terms uh that are no longer uh used or in effect. I do want to make
one note on page 186 uh which is 186 of the pack in its entirety. It's page two of three of the ordinance. Um under sub6, chief of police and fire chief should be deleted. That will be reflected in the ordinance under uh
second reading. Uh those deletions were referenced in the March 16th um agenda item memo. Um I just missed it and didn't get them in this particular copy of the ordinance. Uh so I I note that relative to uh a change that you'll see in the ordinance in second reading.
>> All right. So, we will we will have the proposed amendment um so modified as a scrivener's error and uh it'll be deemed to include the uh the language just described by the town manager instead of police chief, fire chief. Um is there
any discussion on this item? >> Well, ju just a question of procedure. Shouldn't we amend it now on the first reading since it's not a scrivener's error? It's a well, it's it's a it's an error, but uh it's material. Shouldn't we just delete it now and have an
amended first reading or is that not appropriate? >> It's there. It's different way of getting to the same destination. If you'd like to make a motion to amend it, please do. >> I I think that would be appropriate if you included that as part of the motion. >> All right. Well, well, I'll wait for a remaining discussion.
>> Any other discussion? All right. Vice Mayor, why don't you make the motion with the amended language? >> Okay. I'll make a motion to approve the document except for section 32-21 uh F subsection 6 to remove the words
chief of police and and fire chief. >> Second, >> Mr. Mayor, may I do a quick reading before we get to vote? Yes, sir. This would be ordinance number 592, an ordinance of the town of Indian shores amending article 2, section 32.21 21 of the town's code of ordinances which outlines the powers and duties of the
town manager providing for applicability and inclusion providing for severability providing for an economic impact estimate providing for scriveners errors and providing for an effective date. This is the first reading. Thank you. >> So so the motion now would be the language as has changed by the vice mayor during the discussion portion of
it. Do you wish to make that motion vice mayor? >> Yes sir. >> And it's seconded. >> Second >> by councilman Carol. Uh roll call vote please. >> Mayor Foley. Hi. >> Vice Mayor Awart. >> Hi. >> Council member Carroll. I, >> Council Member Alieri. >> Hi, >> Council Member Teddesco. >> Hi.
>> Let the record show. The motion passes unanimously. >> All right. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Mayor, for your for your language and amendment. Um, item 8H, ordinance number 593, procurement of goods and services. Uh, this is a first reading, so if you would kindly uh describe what your what
the language seeks to accomplish here, Mr. Town Manager. >> Um, thank Excuse me. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council. Um, we currently have an ordinance 3102, my apologies, that addresses procurement of goods and services. Uh, and in that regard, we're
trying to clarify um the uh the authorized individual. At this point in time, we have a a title of purchasing agent. Um, what we're uh going to do is uh because that limits some operation relative to what we have to do. We're going to change it to uh recommending changing it to town manager or
designate. that allows some flexibility in terms of um those particular operations and authorizations for uh for purchasing. Uh hopefully the um the summary of it was laid out well in the agenda item, but if not, I'm happy to answer any more detailed questions on it. >> Any questions?
>> I have a question. It's a silly question, but we're getting rid of the purchasing agent, and I never knew we had a a purchasing I we have a title, but I don't I never saw a guy wearing a shirt that said purchasing agent. So, point well taken. We're trying to clean
it up. Heather had three hats that say three different things as as we kind of all do, but um a big hit >> and again, it's point well taken. Um, Council Member Alier, and this is uh one of the things that we we hope to continue to see is some of the clarification of the language and for
consistency and and really update. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Do you want to read the language? >> Yes, sir. Mr. Mayor, uh, our last ordinance of the day, ordinance number 593, an ordinance of the town of Indian River Shores amending article 31.02 02 of the town's code of ordinances which
outlines the procedures for the procurement of goods and services providing for applicability and inclusion providing for severability providing for an economic impact estimate providing for scriveners errors and providing for an effective date. This is the first reading. Thank you mayor. >> All right. Is there a motion to approve? >> So move.
>> Second. Is there a second? >> All right. Mr. Alteri seconds the Councilman Carol's motion. Roll call vote, please. >> Mayor Foley. Hi. >> Vice Mayor Alwater. >> Hi. >> Council member Carroll. >> Hi. Council member Altieri. >> Council member Teddesco. >> Hi. >> Let the record show the motion passed
unanimously. >> Terrific. Thank you. Uh that was a lot of ordinances for one day, but we got through them. Um thank you and thank you for the patience with me. It gets confusing. Read the title motion vote. So we got through it. Um staff updates,
building official reports and statistics. Um >> Mr. Yeah, for for building official and for code enforcement. I'll be happy to answer any questions. uh building department team is finishing um their final training for the transfer uh to
our new uh comprehensive system. Uh we were or are on the I work system. We're moving to the MGO system which is a um a permitting uh and communication system uh that allows uh that's consistent with uh what the other uh political
subdivisions are doing um here. So they've been in that training um and this should hopefully be the last time before they go live. So, any questions on any of those items? I if I can't answer them for you, I'll I'll get the answer for you directly. Okay. Anything for Mr. Harping regarding
building building department or code enforcement report? Uh there there if there is none, you know, from time to time, I don't you know, we're not allowed to talk to each other under the sunshine law. I get inquiries from folks um you know that are in the real estate business
regarding signage and you know how unfair it is that they can't use the same signs that they use elsewhere. And um you know it's u uh it's pretty clear what the requirements are and you know for what it's worth you know I note that the overwhelming majority of realtors
tend to comply and they're like oh okay you know we'll we'll we'll comply with it. The the ones that don't are kind of the recidivists. So, um you know, we have a um a perfectly designed legal uh time, place, manner restriction on, um
on signage and uh you know, that's that that's what's worked in this community. It it again is one of those things that preserves the aesthetics. Um if you go if you go, uh south of town, you'll see 40,000 signs. You know, there was the floppy guy arms in front of a house the
other day. Um I trust we're all in agreement. that's that's not Indian River Shores. So, um I know people are out there trying to make a living and trying to work, but there's a reason why we have these things in in place and our citizens are are appreciative of it. So,
just my just my comment and thank thank uh Mr. Mike Rans for being um really skillful in how he does this. You know, it's the uh it's the three E. I always get them backwards, but it's uh educate, encourage, and force, right? So, >> correct. We're not out there, you know, blowtorrching signs. you know, we tend
to, you know, give gentle reminders to people and, you know, give them their sign signs back. So, all right. Thank you. Um, public works department. >> Uh, that's a, um, that's >> you covered that. Yeah. Okay. Town treasurer, >> just a question on the public works. Uh,
on the base on the BMAP plan on the second uh, bullet point about SCA complete the first quarter street sweeping. is do we do we hit all public streets on street sweeping once a quarter? >> Um we just started that as part of uh as
part of the BMAP. Um it's very very productive. Uh the company that we ended up um getting after searching for a number of companies >> uh does this as a you know routine item. They provide us with all of the data and the details, the weights and the amounts of all the stuff that they picked up so
to speak. and uh that goes as part of our uh MS4 uh BMAC uh filings and it definitely assists us. We just did um this is the first time we have done that and we will continue to do it uh on a you know on a regular basis um
>> uh moving forward. >> How expensive is that? >> $500. >> Oh, okay. $500 a quarter. >> Oh, I'm shocked it's that low. >> All right. Anything else for uh for Mr. Harping wearing the town um
public works hat? No. Okay. Um Miss Christmas, town treasurer. >> You have my February report. If I don't really have anything else at this time, unless you have any questions that I can answer for you. Vice Mayor, >> just want to say thank for the great
work that you do to get that annual report out as fast as you do with his small staff. And even though we're a small town, it has the same complexities as a larger town. You got to do the same
reports, the same uh covering the same departments and so forth. So, I just want to thank you and and your and your colleague on that. >> Thank you very much. >> Get Well, well said, Vice Mayor. And you know what you do, it's like it's akin to uh um you know, a lawyer will tell you
like a a house closing on a $100,000 house is just as complicated as a $5 million house. So, uh it's the same thing. You get the you get the stuff in on time. They're we're constantly updated and uh it's greatly appreciated. You make you make our life easy and it instills a great sense of confidence in
um the the legitimacy of our financial statements. So terrific, terrific job. Thank you. Anything else for Heather? >> No. Okay. Thank you, Heather. >> Uh, public safety department. >> Assistant Chief Ryer.
>> Good morning, Mr. Mayor. >> Good morning, council. Um, just in addition to the submitted uh report and statistics, I'd just like to add our traffic enforcement focus uh during this inseason time continues. uh in particular that's speed enforcement out
on Highway A1A as well as school bus enforcement. We've had some violations that we've um cracked down on with that recently um after some complaints came in. Um in addition to that, uh our second backup ambulance uh had been out for repairs.
That'll be returning today. Uh therefore, all fire and ambulance apparatus will be in service as of uh this afternoon. and Indian River County uh earlier this week renewed our certificate of public convenience and necessity which is for our ambulance. It
determines the need for services uh to ensure adequate coverage. So are there any questions? >> Uh great job as always. Any questions for >> the public safety? Nope. All right. Well, great. Thank you. Thank you. Um,
just before I forget it, the um, you know, there were some rumors floating around town about, and I know it's slightly off point, but about, uh, traffic lights going in down by the CVS, and, you know, um, I think we can dispel that notion. You're the MO thing. There's there's not going to be a
traffic light, even if there is a crosswalk. Um, the, uh, uh, the work on, you know, making sure that the school children are safe. Excellent. Excellent work. I I observe that with my own my own eyes. I I think living in this community where, you know, I'm pretty
close to school age regarding the overall community, the uh we don't have a lot of students, but they are school buses and it's a dangerous condition and people have to pay attention. So, great work. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, town attorney.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to follow up uh realistically just on the a little bit from the legislative session that did end and we had a quick I just wanted to follow up uh cuz >> excuse me, the vice mayor just pointed out I >> Oh, yes, you're right. >> I I bypassed the town clerk. So, >> sorry, I'm sorry, Janice. >> Janice, do you have anything? Uh
>> um yes, I have put together a PowerPoint presentation. Um we have quite a bit of interest coming into my office for people >> in November. Um this year uh our election through municipal um offices
will be November 3rd and qualification begins the first day after our April meeting which is April 24th and will run through July 24th. Um any person who is a registered elector within Indian River County who
is a resident of the town of Indian River Shores and who has resided here for one year uh can qualify. Um, I recommend strongly that anyone interested in in in running make an appointment with the town clerk who I
serve as the qualifying officer for elections prior to so we can be sure that um all of the requirements and understanding of the finance and so forth is made. Um there are three seats. This is a very unusual election coming up this year. There are three seats
available. One is for a two-year term and two are for the four-year terms. Candidates can only qualify for one of those those two seats. And our ballot will be very clear to state for the two-year term that voters can vote for one. For the four-year term, voters can
vote for two. Um the names will be placed on the ballot um by pulling straws and all candidates are run nonpartisan and whoever gets the floor, you know,
the most votes will win for those seats. Um, other than the two-year term, all all terms are for four years and um they will begin after the election. The terms will commence immediately following the certified results from the election.
>> All right. Thank you. Any any questions on that from >> Yes. Sorry. Janice, would you please repeat your comment about the segregation between the four-year terms and the two-year terms? >> So, because um we had a vacancy occur
and the appointment was made to fill that seat, the appointment was only made to run to through to the next general election of the town. The person then appointed would have to become elected
to complete the remaining two years of the 4-year term. Once that becomes open, it's open for anyone to qualify for that seat. >> But if a person chooses uh to enter the
race, he or she must designate >> Yes. They can only qualify >> two-year term or >> four year terms. >> Four year terms. Yes. >> If there's only one person who signs up for the two-year term,
is that does that mean that person is automatically in and is not subject to a real election? >> Yes. Yes. So, if we receive only two qualified candidates for the four-year
term, they would win by default. If we receive only one candidate for the two-year term, they would also win by default. >> Mhm. >> There would be no formal election. >> So, you could have an oddball situation where five people want to get to
four-year term and one person only wants to get the two-year term. So the the two-year term get gets in automatically and then there's a free-for-all for very very interesting election. I don't remember one like that in a long time. So
>> yes. Yes. So again um you know just in closing each of the candidates who run or qualified candidates do do need to know that we do meet on an annual monthly basis and then in the month of September in addition to our regular
meeting we have the additional financial meeting. And now from understanding recent legislation, there'll be a budget workshop required prior to that as well. Um and then the council members also are expected to serve on uh regional
committees as well that meet year round which are several of those. So it is a year round >> follow-up question. Sorry to prolong this. If a person signs up and
um is uh there's only one person who signs up for a two-year term, that person is automatically in uh if he or she has not previously served.
um how do you uh calculate that person's eligibility to serve uh on council going forward after the first 2-year period. In other words, if a person uh is in for
two years um so in 28 that person's term expires. Mhm. >> Okay. Uh is that person then eligible to run >> for a 4-year term? >> Yes.
>> Okay. Let's say that person u does and wins. So that person has served six years. Then u in uh 32 there's another general election. That
person has served six years. Is that person then limited to serving only two years? >> I don't think they could qualify because the term is for a 4-year term and then they would be in violation of our charter which states that you cannot serve for more than eight consecutive
years. >> And and Mr. Mayor Councel uh to make very clear uh this is the exact language. Uh, no member of the town council shall be eligible for reelection to the council who will have served eight or more consecutive years as a
council member at the expiration of his then current term. So again, the math is 8 years consecutive, could even be more if it were the example we were just talking about where somebody came in midway, but once you hit that threshold, they are ineligible to even uh go up for
reelection. So, >> so you're saying that they would be able to run for that second four years? >> No, no, that's what I'm saying. They would not be able to. They would not be able to. They would not be able to. >> You're correct. >> So, eight consecutive years is the limitation.
>> So, could a person serve for seven years and they've only served for seven consecutive years. If that person chooses to run in another election, how long would he or she be able to
serve? >> Again, the charter silent on total number of years that you would be able to serve or how many terms. It's just very clear. Um, you are not eligible for reelection once you've hit that 8-year mark. So, if you didn't hit the eight-year consecutive mark, I think a
plain reading would be that you would be eligible to come up >> for you'd be elig eligible to serve for eight consecutive years after your >> after a break. >> After a break. >> Yes, sir. I I think that's the plain reading of it. >> Okay. >> Yes. And we've had we've got a council
member right here uh who can talk our vice mayor. Um, so >> I I'll end up I'll end up being 11 years after 2000 2028 cuz I had a gap. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> So,
and and again, just to follow this very quickly, Janice has done an excellent job. We've been talking about this regularly in anticipation. We know this will be a heavy election year. Um, so if there are questions that come up, please let us know and we collectively will provide this information. The whole point is to get this information out. I was also silent in my report um for the
resign to run um the town attorney did some research on that and it's very clear that you have to serve on a board for compensation um which none of our boards are even including the town council who serves without compensation. So we are not bound by that. But anyone wishing to run
who may serve on an outside foundation board committee that either is uh quasi judicial or is for uh compensation would have to consider would would need to do their research as to whether or not they
would re be required to resign to run and if so it would have to be done 10 days prior to the begin beginning of qualification. Yep. All right, thank you. Excellent report. Um, so just as an aside, uh, for those
considering to run, um, it's a greatly rewarding experience and I think all should do it, but you should have your eyes wide open. You know, the the, uh, probably the biggest mistruth I was ever told when people were encouraging me to run was it's only one meeting a month.
Um it that's that's true except for September and except for the various committee meetings you have to go to and except for the constituents that want to talk to you. So uh be be prepared for a time commitment and um if you're not not prepared to do that, um I I would say
you should rethink whether or not it's for you. So, um, and that's my also my way of saying thank you to the four other people up here who have devoted countless hours to the work on on behalf of the community and you know, we you could double our pay and we still get
nothing. So, um, it's truly a civic commitment and uh, a very important one. So, um, good for our community and um, thank you for that presentation. Now, Mr. Town attorney. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and my apologies to our town clerk. did not mean to jump
the gun uh so to speak. Um very quickly to follow on that for a reminder to council including uh our newest council member Mr. Teddesco speaking you would be able to speak to any potential candidate. I know this comes up at times but um that you know sunshine law would
not apply as long as you speaking with somebody who uh again is not on this board. So I know that has come up. I want to be upfront about that and you're welcome to speak with those individuals. Um, and just very quickly to recap on the legislative session, there were 1,897
bills filed, 1,900 bills almost. Of those, 1900 bills, uh, a little over 27 uh, five, excuse me, 206 were actually passed by both houses. So, right now, we
have 206 passed bills. Of those 206, four have been signed by the governor. Um, seven are at the governor's desk waiting to be signed. There are 195 remaining that have been passed, such as some of the ones we've discussed this morning, but have not been presented to
the governor. And I want to qualify my earlier uh calculation. I was off by one day. It's 15 days if presented to the governor. If there if he takes no action such as either signing it or vetoing it, it then becomes law by default after 15 days. And as we've seen in a couple of
the last past years, typically over the next several months, they are presented to the governor and we've seen him sign them at various loces throughout the state of Florida. I'll continue to follow them. Um, but there is no technical time limit on whether they could be presented as late as November
1st. Of course, our governor will not be governor after this election cycle. Um, I don't know how that would play out if it wasn't presented under his governorship, but that's the sum and status of that. Um, happy to answer any questions and, uh, that's my report.
>> Anything for the town attorney? >> No, it's been a heavily legal day. Um, >> town manager. >> Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor, Council. as a followup uh to um a comment uh last week and and today just a very brief report
on the inlet work going on in the force Fort Pierce inlet uh along the south jetty. That particular project is uh primarily a federal uh US Army Corps of Engineers project. They're funding almost 80% of it with St. Lucy County uh
funding uh another 20 roughly a little less than 20% a little more than 20%. The one of the interesting things to note about the project itself is it actually is using um uh sand burrows offshore um and they're pumping sand for
lack of a better way to put it. The historical uh maintenance of that particular area because of the jetty has been federal and US um army corps of engineers. That's why they are able to uh continue
uh notwithstanding turtle nesting season roughly till the beginning of May. Um so they'll be working through April. Uh and that's pretty much a sum in summation. The burrow there where they're getting the sand from was previously authorized. It wasn't a new um issue or project. Uh
there were concerns and some of the the staff folks I talked to down there um related to the project. I mean, they were very concerned about the sand primarily because of the uh the rocks and the jetty and um you know, any issues associated with that and then all the commercial and roadway areas just to
the south. It only stretches about a mile south from the jetty itself. So, it's not a large sector size uh project say that we've seen locally. Uh but that's the that's the brief update on it. I will say collectively maybe
anticipatorily responding to some of your questions, the fact that it was historically a federal US Army Corps of Engineer uh respons responsibility and project uh in proximity to a a working uh commercial inlet uh has meant
essentially that it's a lot easier for them to do what they need to do there um because of those factors and and a few others. So that's an update on that. Um, I'm happy to find out any additional information if that uh doesn't suffice or try to answer any questions. Now,
>> um, they're pumping it ashore. In fact, if you go to visit staintlucy.com uh, and go to the cameras, they have a number of cameras uh, in the area. One of the cameras actually focuses directly on the South Jetty. Uh, you can see an extremely large barge. I don't know if
it's there as we speak today, but they've had an extremely large barge with pumping equipment, things like that. Um, right in uh the inlet uh on the south side approximate to the jetty. It's um if you go down there either, you know, by boat or otherwise, it's a a pretty interesting and impressive um uh
public works project to see. Um the only other thing I have is uh as the mayor noted uh and consistent with a number of the other uh ordinance changes that we've seen um I've provided an organizational chart uh for your reference. Also that will be placed on the website and uh you know readily
available to anyone that wants it. I don't have anything else, Mr. Mayor, to uh to to report. If there's any other questions, I'm happy to address them. >> Anything additional for the town manager? No. Okay. Thank you very much. Um just let's you know thank you for the update
on what's happening to the south of us. Uh but let's also kind of keep tabs on what uh Florida uh Florida D is doing you know with this new legislation. Hopefully it gets you know implemented in in regs. It's going to take a long long time for the for the rulem to
happen but you know as I think all of us know pro projects of this magnitude are way beyond the ability of even the state to fund. So there would have to be, you know, a fairly significant federal project. And, you know, realistically with the problems going on now, can't
even fund TSA, I think, uh, I think large large block grants to do this kind of stuff probably not not in the near future, but it's our responsibility to keep on top of it. So, thank you for doing that. Um, council committee reports, uh, Mr. Tedesco, I you want to
just incorporate your report given earlier on legal cities, >> uh, >> or have anything to add? Nothing to add to that report uh except that uh for the lack of specificity from the representative that we had. I uh was
curious to know some more detail and have left four phone messages at his two offices uh in order to speak to him and have not heard back. >> All right. Um well he's got some time between the
special session and now so um he's probably in town so hopefully he'll give you a call back. Mr. Alteri, do you have nothing? >> Nothing because of the utilities commission. >> Um I had Treasure Coast uh Council of Local Governments and um
it was it was the back-to-back meetings on airports. So, uh, at the at the, um, February meeting, we had, um, a presentation by, uh, St. Lucy County on their airport plans and
expansion. And then at the March 4 meeting, the city of Vero Beach came in and, you know, gave a fairly comprehensive and good good analysis of what what they're planning to do out there. Um, and I I would venture to guess the politically unpopular decision
to now charge for parking there. Um, which, you know, that's their that's up to them. Um, I did I did ask, you know, what I thought was an interesting question because, you know, it looks like, you know, St. Lucy County is really getting um ready to have large
scale commercial airliners come in and, you know, they're they've got a much bigger footprint. City of Vero Beach already has commercial air traffic there. And so I was just curious as to the breakdown uh between you know commercial flights versus non-commercial flights and I don't know if anybody
wants to guess but I think it's less than 1% or 1% of the flights are commercial flights that go in and out. So uh >> that St. Lucy >> no in Vero Beach. So, um, just something to keep in mind, you know, for our local decision makers, you know, and it's a
lot at the federal level because the FAA has pretty expensive jurisdiction over airports concerning um, you know, investments and footprints and things like that. You know, my question as a member of the public is how many regional airports are we really going to need and, you know, how much of an investment do we really need in all this
stuff? But, uh, uh, in any event, I find the Vero Beach airport very convenient. I know there are others here that do. So, um, you know, it's a 11 minutes from my house to the airport, 7 minutes, uh, let's say, if the lights are correctly done. So, uh, uh, it's a it's a good
commute. Other than that, um, uh, League of City, uh, sorry, uh, Council of Local Governments is implementing, uh, a scholarship fund to provide, um, tuition and, um, expense assistance for, you know, students that are kind of caught
in a gap that don't don't qualify for loans and don't qualify for, uh, the more traditional grants and aids. So, uh, there will be a, um, uh, selection committee. uh we're going to prove it at likely at the April 1 meeting and uh you
know likely well I mean I'll just give you the in other contexts I've seen a lot of these are criminal justice kids you know they they want to go into criminal justice and uh it's not free and you know you have to you have to pay for the tuition you have to pay for the laptop you got to you've got to do that
and then other trades so uh it's kind of kind of interesting to see that you know the scholarship is going toward um you know not towards kids who are going read poetry, which is important, but uh whether they're gonna actually do something and make a living. So, uh I'll report back on that the next meeting.
Vice Mayor, >> uh yeah, just one question for you. How do they classify in Vero Beach the flight academy flights? Do they call those commercial or >> th those fall into just non-commercial? >> Okay. Yeah. Just Okay. You you mentioned
D. I saw something this morning on Bloomberg television, so I I took a screenshot actually. in my wife Nancy spot and he says you better read this Bob. Uh FEMA to offer $1 billion for disaster resilience after lawsuit said Wednesday will fund up to a billion dollars disaster resilient
infrastructure under grant program it had previously canceled and criticized as being wasteful. This move was prompted by an order from US District Court ear earlier this month which mandated that the administration restore the building resilient infrastructure
and communities BRIC program. I don't know if we have any play on that. I can I I can you know give this to Lucy afterwards and you know whether it works for us or not. uh mentioning uh uh the
the beach the uh I I sit on the uh beach insurers preservation advisory committee for the uh the county. I'm I'm the chair. Every se every few years they have to the county is required under Florida state law to update the beach
preservation plan. I believe it's going to be on April 14th. They're going to present the uh plan for public comments in in this room. So, I want to uh note that. Uh the second thing, there was a there's been an ongoing discussion
further south in the county along the South Beach. There's different sectors. We're of the beach. We're sector 4 down at the very end is sector seven and sector eight. Sector 7 has a very tough beach erosion plan and they have not
been able to get enough easements to allow uh the construction of additional uh beach uh replenishment. We actually got some of that money to do our sector 4. So, uh, you know, I I just want to
point out the importance of of people, the oceanfront land owners stepping up to the plate and signing the easements. We were very good about that. Uh, people did step up to the plate and uh, town administration and other people helped uh, doing that. But they're they're in a
really tough situation where sand is just being completely eroded. So, to to your point, Mr. mayor, you know, it's something we just got to keep watching all the time and and be be focused on. So, that's it for me. So, >> thank you, Councilman Carol. >> Nothing to report. >> Nothing to report. All right. Call to
the audience. This is the time for real estate agents who had signs removed and people who got cited for the pickup trucks and come up and say something. Nothing. All right. Uh, thank you very much for your attention and we will
reconvene on April 24th. Is it 23rd? Thursday, April 23rd. And we will see you then. Everybody have a pleasant and safe day. We are journed.