those mayor fley vice mayor Carroll here council member awater let the records show that council member Smith and council member Altier are not present no motion to approve sorry second
hi hi for e for for one brief yeah so sitting on the beach is pretty quiet obviously at this time of year I'm
starting to pick up uh that the dogs are running on the beach without a leash outside of the prescribed periods before 9 o'clock and I believe after four o'clock so if uh I if we could just
maybe send out when our news letter what the requirements are in the ordinance and particularly that the dog has to be brought over to public uh safety to get a permit and maybe uh once in a while run somebody out there on an ATV just
uh it's it can get a little bit annoying when these dogs come running up to you the when you're sitting in the chair in the beach I mean it's not a huge problem but just want to make you where I've seen a little bit of a pickup that's all thank you Mr Mayor if I may just briefly um council member Al I just want to let the council know and and you know that
um we had discussed this previously subsequent to earlier discussions um with you and I do know that um Lieutenant ryer uh with Public Safety had sent out directives uh and we are engaging in uh Personnel on the beach education encouragement but we'll
outstanding idea we'll go ahead and send out a reminder on the newsletters and websites to take care of that uh well then that kind of brings up one question occasionally I see on an ATV uh individual which I believe are volunteers
do they have the right or the authority if they see somebody there just point out to them that they're in violation of or that's something we don't want to get involved in we simply ask them to advise them of what the is um and uh tell them that
there are restrictions in place and that we just then they just drive off we just I'm just curious what's your policy okay good on that um you can't do anything about the seagulls I know that um they uh they're they're the most
thieving birds around if you bring a picnic basket to the beach make sure uh make sure you zip it up um all right um on to item eight discussion discussion with possible or probable action we don't have uh any items under that so
we'll move to staff updates um I believe Mr held is at a training session new computer system all right uh do you have anything other than what's in the report um as I noted during the May mayor's report you know there's there is an uptick in at
least the request for permits for um you know for alterations and additions and uh other permits you know substantial as well so you know good news is more Revenue bad news is there's a lot a lot more activity there is briefly Mr Mayor
and counsel uh there you know our our Personnel in the field are are very busy this time of year uh I did want to just elaborate very briefly on the uh the reason for um Jake and and Fred's absence the MGO piece my government online is a a new uh system that the
town is going to from the previous system which will uh be the same uh permit and building department management system that the county uses it will help us a lot just from a day-to-day management standpoint uh and and um it's actually been been a long time coming a lot goes into it
especially the the data transfer you can imagine the amount of data that we have from the previous system to now so um it'll be very worthwhile in in September October we'll have a little more detailed report for you on exactly uh where we are and and how that system is going to help us
out thank you any questions for Fred by J okay uh Town Treasurer Heather Heather christas good morning morning so you have received my financial report if if anyone has any questions I'm available to answer those
questions otherwise um you also had received your budget with the list of changes for the September 10th Meeting those are on the Das where you received them from there were minor changes from last month's meeting it was just the the August enrollment and the state revenue
figures that we just got a couple weeks ago and then also on you received two reports one is my qu pension report I just got all the information so it's on your desk and then the 175 185 funds we received the two out of the three checks
that we normally got and so you've got the historical look at that um does anyone have any questions about financial matters I did have one other it update we were just approved for Indian Rivers shores. goov so we had just received
that approval and we are the process to move forward with that it is a long process but we will get we are starting to move forward with taking over that domain it's about an 18mon process on but we we're working towards that right I I presume you're going to have a
migration plan that's we're working on all that and so I I think U I think I speak for counts when I say we'd all like to see the migration plan and you know as best you can the timelines for that because it's not just flipping a switch I've been through this uh you know in the
private sector and um boy it can be um not just confusing but also U challenging for all involved of course Mr Mayor we we um uh we have one of those all ensure that uh that that that Council has those we've worked up one internally that has a a timeline and
deliverables and so on so I'll make sure that gets out today all right thank you very much thank you Public Safety just a couple of things real quick um the uh we we have a some real neat Hands-On training going
on right now over at the emergency Operation Center over over with the county and also taking place over at John's Island in the afternoon it's AC of as salent training um and uh there are some classroom uh classroom component of that but they're also going into what is known as the burn building
over at the over at the EOC and um it's a multi-story building over there and uh actually it's a uh going in with a hostage situation and using um like paintballs um in order to to go through that process so all the crews are going
through that right now it's it's mandatory training and requirement by fle now um the other thing that I've got um is uh construction has started next door we started cut holes and some walls and cut the center out of the Bay of the Bay of the fire station so if you see
the equipment sitting outside that's the reason for it we've got concrete drying in the middle of the day um and uh so but everything's taken care of and we're actually able to respond to calls it's not creating a problem for us so that project is moving forward we're glad to see it actually starting take shape be
happy to answer any questions you may have thank you sure I I have uh Chief just one question that um uh didn't occur to me while was making his um comments about the dogs on the beach and U are we checking licenses
as well because we have an orance that requires you know a license and um um you know is that what is that something that we're doing sporadic checks have a County license mean no no no we have a town ordinance that requires a license in order to the tags that we issue yes
exactly yes they have to have that all right so that you know whoever it is whether it's a swor officer or they're advising folks that you know they have to have that displayed on the yes on the tank okay great um before you go anywhere I think this is the point in
time where Jerry do you want to come up and Mr White wants to come up and he has some observations about the traffic at ji let's just let's just handle that now there an appropriate point so good morning and thank you Jerry white from UD Bay I I'm here to ask for
some help on traffic problem you have in the morning between 7 and 730 8:00 there's a tremendous lineup of vehicles ling up to go into John's Island lineup uh they block the theut
Bay's entrance way uh the lineup goes all the way to the Village Shops on on that side they end up blocking berua based uh entranceway exit uh both Tuesday and Wednesday had to get out early I couldn't get out they were
blocking the entrance so they had to separate the cars and then I started going across the center lane was also backed up with cars pretty far back I couldn't tell how far back uh and I couldn't make my left turn they
separated a spot for me so get out I couldn't make my left turn and then there's oncoming traffic which you can't see I mean the cars in the center lane are the biggest problem now you look on the other side of John's Island on the U
west side up to go into that entrance also and they use the center lane to also go into that westbound entrance I since found out that John's Island changed its procedure we never had this problem before and I've been here 25
years they're no longer let the vendors and workers go in through the main gates only through these South Gates which was surprise to me and as a result they also block up pred ter Drive
and our exit gate on the muta bay over there is blocked up but that's not a problem because we also have the front entrance on the ocean side we only have one entrance what can be done about it uh for one thing stop the stop them from
lining up on the center lane at all make them go down make them make a U-turn to go into the west side because the center lanane and now you got cars all on parked on the side of the road it's difficult to go through and so on or ask John's Island to change
their procedure where vendors can go in through the main gates where there's plenty of room to line up on the highway without blocking any entrances or exits I mean they block Village Shores and uh as as far as the Village Shops now
Village Shops are not open that early in the morning but sometimes people want to get in there this also presents a problem for us for our vendors to come in before 8:00 they can't get in they have to get back on that line also and they can't get
in and it becomes a traffic problem and a hazard I mean it was quite dangerous me going across the chief recommended that I should go make a right turn make a uturn and come down which is what I'm going to do next time I mean it's very unusual
that I go out that early in the morning but I had a doctor's appointment I was I had to get there on time and I tried to squeeze through uh ask John's Island to open up their main gates I don't know what else you can do or but they start
lining up it's before 7 o' and John's Island lets them in now is 7:30 now it's particular problem at this time of the year because the vendors have to be uh they can't work after October 1st or
something in John's Island Sam what is it November early November yeah so I mean even in the summertime it's not that bad but all of a sudden I guess they got to back up and hurry up and get their work done and there a lot of vendors are are out there trying again so we're asking
for some kind of uh police action stop them from lining up there or John's Island open up their main gates they only open up the center Gates or vendors that go to the clubhouse or the beach house they don't let
contractors used to senates which is a wide open area there that would be the simplest Solution that's how it used to be what can I tell you that's what I'm asking for all right thanks so much uh uh thanks so much um Mr Chief do you
want to um just let us know your your thoughts on it um you know we'll we we'll see what we can do we can certainly talk to u to John's Island I you know I'll just note that you know even when the were used there was still there was still you know traffic lining
up I I don't think we can prevent cars from lining up they're not violating the vehicle and traffic law by doing that right but certainly if they were blocking entrances and exits and um you know Public Access there's you know that
that can be cited right correct um we've we've had a number of discussions since in the past year with the John security and the uh property manage manager of of John's Island about how to try to work
get get some workarounds for this for this process um asked them to uh you have to go past the security security guard to get into the property uh the vendors do so we asked them to here here here's the pamphlet that we've developed for y'all to please give to the vendors
um to have them either stage um at the at the vill Village Shops or or at the tracking station or the two other sites um have them stage there until 7:30 and then they can come straight in it won't be a problem um they were reluctant they did not want to do that that to hand out
those things to to the to the contractors and and folks as they were coming through um we asked we asked them to you have capacity inside the inside the facility on some of the facing roads that are close to A1A that you could
actually load up some of those folks but not let them actually get into the into the community um and they did not want to do that either so we we had ongoing discussions with them to try to alleviate the problem we even got to the point where okay we're let's let's go
ahead and start issuing warning citations to everybody and and it it's the it's the contractor trying to get in to get to get to work um it's just a worker guy um he's just trying to get in there we don't want him to we don't want him to violate the law but we also don't want to create a
traffic hazard in the process with them stacking traffic up in there so we're going to continue to work on it continue to try to find solutions for it um I think it's probably the the best thing for us to do is to probably um start start issuing some warning citations to
some folks and let the word get out um it won't be won't be fines at this point just be warnings um and to go ahead and start trying to distribute some of the some of the state staging areas that we think that will actually work for us um and and maybe that that maybe that'll
help allate the problem but what what would the warnings you know what would the warnings before for you know blocking another another thoroughfare or um you know what what specific violation that's a turning lane it's not a parking Lane okay so if they're yeah
exactly so if they're in the center lane clearly that can you know that can be and and even on the uh on the side sides of the roads um there's a there's Town ordinance that says that you can't stack parking up on the side side A1A right local so um so we'll we'll we'll try to
enforce it the best that we can it's it's it takes cooperation from everybody and uh kind of so what joh what's Sean Island's objection to have people come in the gates and wait till 7:30 to go through
the rest of the community that their their rules from their from their board is to nobody comes in before 7:30 for the contractors do not arrest it there are time time limits When contractors can come in yeah
yeah okay there's rules but obviously they're creating a hazard for everybody else right I've gone past her early and you know it can be problematic getting through on the bike lane as well I I mean I think they have to have a little bit of a of a of a compromise at this
time of H year I understand what what what Mr White is saying because I I don't have to quite the same situation but and out coming out of my community we have a long turn lane and we have people just park there not related to
this and it's really hard to get a sight line down to get out when you know people are moving along early in the morning trying to get to work I get it and everything and they're usually speeding through there and you got to really punch the gas hard to get out now I know he has a good sports car to do
that but uh but that said I'm I mean I think John's Island has to compromise a little bit here you know and we'll be be happy forward on to the Jim all the corresponden we've had with with them so that youall have that for your if you so I mean I I appreciate Mr W's comments
and you know like you know I guess the first step for me is you I'd like to know how pervasive the problem is like is this you know couple of days a month was it an aberration so I think you know maybe Council should be um made aware of
the extent of the problem as far as you're concerned um so you know we uh um we have a responsibility for the safety of the public but you know I'd like to get a better handle on is this happening every day of every work day of the month
uh like you I mean I don't I don't see the I don't see the uh the effective remedy being you know citing you know guys trying to make a living you know going into uh into a place um on the other hand if a hazard's being created on a consistent basis because of this
change and we have some data to support that um I do I do think we need to alert ji that they're creating a nuisance situation and they've got to work with us on this otherwise we we may have to implement some other strategies such as you know considering ordinances
allowing uh Public Safety to prevent lineups and then um it's not going to make anybody happy if if the traffic's diverted all around um and I I can fully understand why inseason or closer to season uh the main gates would be restricted but maybe some
flexibility using Gates During certain you know non-traffic summer months is an is an option but um unless anybody else on Council all three of us have a Sam I know you're going to say something I think I think the first thing is to impress upon them first
figure out the extent of the problem and then impress upon them you know we we need to work with them on this yeah Sam um the problem I've I've experienced it coming out of the gates as well the south
gate um so the problem seems to be limited TimeWise to the period roughly 7 am until 8:00 am yes sir once they open the gates we're actually able to get folks through that's not a problem but it is
that that staging area prior to 7 got it um so it's an hour let's say it's every day of the week it's an hour five days a week right um does it make sense to post an
officer there to sort of Shepherd cars and trucks [Music] around we can do that um we've certainly an hour a day for we we we can try to do that um we've
also got the rest of the the entire rest of the community to deal with also we we'll we we'll put the resources into it as we have done in the past yeah thank you yes we'll continue to reach out I think that's an excellent idea but you know my concern with that is you
know because of you know policy change that the rest of the taxpayers are going to have to absorb a cost for something that may have a more Cooperative solution so while I think we should we should consider that you know I would hate to see someone taken off Patrol and then our resources are spread thin
because you know we're we're telling Joe's Roofing you know to move along here and you bills Plumbing to not block uh the access to Bermuda Bay so um my my gut tells me that there's a more Cooperative Solution by kind of moving
this around a little bit a little bit more flexibility During certain months and where to put traffic um even some of the traffic is inside John's Island that doesn't interfere with the traffic flowing there or the wide enjoyment of the residents in ji um I'd like I'd like
to see that um you know the um what is it you know encourage Enlighten encourage and any enforce is U you know the Hallmark that uh uh Mr Haring said was the the sheriff's department years ago let's let let's
let's make sure they understand the extent of the problem that we had this discussion I know Mr corar is not here today usually he is uh but let's let's try to let's try to work something out on that and if we can get back to Council on U the U
the fruits of those discussions then I think we can we can consider other Alternatives like you know hosting an officer who's going to pay for um you know I know during the height of season there's an officer posted to make sure traffic is safely going back and forth between the beach club on the main club
so you know maybe there's a model that can be done there but um I I'm hesitant to to sit here today and have us propose a solution when a we don't know what the magnitude of the problem is we don't at least I don't yet we don't know how often it is and we don't know whether or
not there's some simpler Solutions and you know sometimes people just say nope that's what the board voted so you know that's what we're going to do without us going back all right yes sir anything else okay thank you yes Mr White I first
went to the Police Department chief of police when the problem started and I got you know didn't W even listen to me he says that's the way is it's not our problem Who police whose Police Department the John's Island police dep
security okay I went into their place I used to know the chief of police over here I don't know who's there now but in any event uh he told me it's not our problem I said could you get your your police guys out help direct traffic they said no it's a it's A1A it's a state
road they no jurisdiction I and he says it's not our problem he says deal with it I says yeah but you're creating the problem that's why I'm asking you to do something about and absolutely refuse to do anything or even mention this was going back a couple while a while ago so
I mean the cooperation was was not there at that point as a result I came to see the chief and I'm here today asking for some kind of El I I appreciate that and and um thank you very much no no and that that that further kind of uh convinces me that um this this may be
dealt may be being dealt with on a level that um needs to get kicked upstairs a little supposedly John's Island Boy change these rules right well they may not be they may not be aware of that of the nuisance that they've created that they've created and it may not be somebody's problem today but if you
document that the nuisance is being created by the policy it becomes their problem so I have no authority to talk to their board and ask them so that's reason you guys have a little more Authority than I have no appreciate it being brought to our attention I think I think we understand the problem thank
you uh public works department Larry Larry Bryant morning councel uh morning reive my report there's any questions thank you sir uh 9e code enforcement we have the report Mr mik CR is also uh off site do
you want to handle this yes he's in the MGO training um I will note that um just a a a compliment to the the council's determination about going with a special magistrate as opposed to a
code enforcement board has has really in my opinion fundamentally changed the manner in which we're able to um you know encourage uh educate enforce uh on Code Enforcement um we have had a few uh magistrate hearings um they're they're
helpful uh in in getting compliance and they're also reasonable we're not trying to be you know punitive and we're not trying to uh fill the coffers of the town with uh code enforcement uh you know fines but I think it's been very very very very helpful and in our ability and speaking to people and uh
just trying to educate people and bring them into to where we need to go so I I I note that and uh and congratulate Jake on his work and and thank Our Town attorney uh for his work with the magistrate in those hearings all right thank you very much uh it does seem to be moving um much
more smoothly and um eff than in the past where you had either two options nothing or a nuclear bomb so um it's kind of nice that we have a an intermediate step um town clerk report uh I know uh from our town clerk you
have no report nothing new to report um the election went along uh swimmingly I'm told there were reports of no no disruptions and uh uh I think November you're going to need to gear up for it's probably going to be very heavily
trafficed election all right next item item 10 Town attorney report please anything for Pete no uh Town manager Mr har uh thank you Mr Mayor councel I'd like to note and remind everyone anyone that may be uh uh
listening as well September 12th at 10:00 a.m. we are having a an open house information session regarding the town's first foray into the septic sewer um projects consistent with HB 1379 the house bill that was
passed a few years ago uh our um our our media and uh uh digital media development department headed by Lucy uh and staffed by Lucy solely developed this and so I want to thank her for that this is being sent out to every resident on Beach comr and Pebble Lane uh as well
as distributed on the newsletter and the website so we have that here and it'll be you know streamed live uh to anyone that wants to listen and it'll be retained um the bottom line is that those projects uh the town was going to be doing uh road paving anyways
consistent with the provisions of 1379 were uh engaging in a Cooperative agreement with the city to have them come in and do the septic to sewer installation at the same time and concurrent with our projects to do repaid and it' be a great piece for the
citizens and for the town so um that's pretty much what I have uh but I'm happy to answer any questions on anything else having just got my flood insurance renewal I thought it' be good reminder was one on our CRS uh so um timing wise
excellent I just had a conference call with the um CRS reviewer as it were this past week uh he that particular meeting and discussion was very encouraging given where we are now uh which is 20 points as a class six we need to get to
2500 uh to get to a class five which would result in a an increase of 24% reduction through nfip for flood insurance um our actual evaluation on site is scheduled for uh late October
October 31st and based on that discussion uh I'm guardedly optimistic that that we're going to get there we're we've already provided a awful lot of information to them and um there's not a lot of gaps or holes we're doing really everything that a jurisdiction our size
can do to to get to that point so um hopefully before the end of this year very beginning of next year we'll have that that that class determination we we typically have a um I wouldn't say standard but annual update from our consultant on you know
things related to that so would that be a part of that yes all right thank you um anything else for Mr har thank you very much uh Council committee reports and non-action items um I'll
start August is a no month for any of the council councils and committees that I'm on um starts up again next week um I'll be attending the uh Treasure Coast council local governments I believe we have our first meeting next Wednesday so
uh we're often running again no no rest for the weary after after audence with that vice mayor I'm in the same situation Utility Commission meetings just keep getting canell going on just will note that
trying to figure out where the potential cost of new water and sewer plant that the city of R Beach is constructing uh on the mainland I've gotten information through public record request and Lucy will will also helpful on this uh down
in the city ofo beach the uh excuse me down in the city of Fort Pierce the Fort Pierce Utility Authority is moving their water and sewer plant off the Lagoon they're moving it all the way west to their energy center which is out when
you go down I95 at the Midway Road as is that far out so they have a guaranteed maximum price on their instruction design at 139 million dollar with more capacity
than what I what I can see the be Beach is asking for so hopefully our price might come in a little bit lower but then they also have to put in an extra 34 million bucks to reverse the water flow which is currently going to the East and switched out to West so that's
another 34 million bucks a total of 173 million I think October is when buau Beach supposed to get a number and Del further also waiting for the response on the RP on the
bond mentioned previous meeting I have an objection scoring it so we'll have to see what out there whether will be able to have any influence in that remains seen and finally just one thing uh since the city
manager in the past when we had our lawsuit said that we have influence as rate payers through the the Utilities Commission which completely advisory has no Authority at all it used to be when I first got on this Utilities Commission we would actually see the budget for the
utilities in advance haven't seen anything over the last couple years so again just another example total on thank you Mr aler uh just couple of things in not response not challenging
was asking for clarification that the costs you cited they don't include U environmental remediation costs construction cost estimating to the best of my knowledge and then the second item which
I was going to bring up and thank you for alluding to it is it's not just a matter of contract that the Utilities Commission sits they have an orig so without objection from anybody on the counil I would like for what it's worth it may not be much but for what
it's worth Mr to look into preparing U some information for us as to what we can do to mandate that city of Euro Beach follow its own ordinance in addition to Contra we know what they do with their contractual obligations but if it's a matter of
ordinance you know have comp don't see reason because been a pression of these meetings not just window dressing C based on reports that they're not even the Utilities Commission in the city is
not even fing to have some subsequent meetings about this then they keep removing jurisdiction from it like they're not going to talk about R utilities and then you say in the previous report they said we're really here to talk about what fall
objection I think we should we should get a report on that and perhaps it's worth as I said prepare an indication to the city not all right okay great um call to the
audience item 13 does anybody in the audience have anything to add nothing um all right and Mr like we'll have if I don't follow up with you directly Chief Stone Mr harping will so
yeah yeah no okay we will um it's duly noted thank you for bringing it to our attention and we will uh we will follow up on it all right uh everybody have a very safe rest of the month of August and um Labor Day weekend and we will see
you in September we are Journey